LG knew about this issue on all their LG OLEDs. They haven't solved it for their own reasons. They weren't particularly motivated to do so. I see it on my C6 (posterization in near black, bit starved content and quick changes in localized brightness. Vincent, stick to your current format and style. We have enough reviewers that pander for access. We don't need any more than we have. Would having more RUclips subscribers aid in you providing objective reviews. Patreon may yield better results with a larger subscription base. Maybe if you expanded your subject matter discussions to more home theater subjects (audio and video) and reviewed more tech related subjects, you could pull in more eyes. Maybe it's just taking time for you to build your audience to the size it needs to be for success. I've seen other channels that take a critical view of products take time to gain traction and become self-supporting. What you need are more views. The content is deserving of such. Since I'm not a RUclipsr, I wouldn't know how to grow your channel but others who are and were able to expand the viewership may have good ideas.
I am coming here cause of your honesty and thoroughness! Don’t let those big boys make you compromise your integrity. Use your channel to scale your calibration business - gotta train some people or clone yourself (or use Vinni for a start)
First let me say this video saved me from so much confusion and I was ready to trade out my sony A8F after reading about this issue and thinking I saw it in the Last kingdom on my A8F .Your actual showing of the flashing problem made me realize I did not see it on my A8F and my tv will stay with me. Companies should be proud to have you pointing out these issues because they are real and need to be addressed. Thank you for what you are doing and especially in this video where you calmed the panic that began on Christmas Day when the Forbes article on this issue showed up on the internet.
So let me get this straight: You were about to get rid of your TV because you imagined that you saw an issue that didn't even exist? LMAO! That's pretty hilarious. Vincent should do more videos on the Sony A8F, otherwise you won't have a clue as to what's going on with your own TV.
If you read the Forbes article you would understand. It was stated the issue was also reported in Sony Oleds and the example that I had to look at was the Netflix Last Kingdom example. Describing the problem is vague compared to actually seeing it in slow motion.
matt giunta So you trust Forbes more than you trust your own eyes? Forbes says that your TV has an issue, you can’t see it with your own eyes yet you’re ready to get rid of your TV. Then Vincent tells you that your TV doesn’t have this issue so now you’re cool with your TV again? I’m sorry, but if you can’t see this issue with your own eyes why would you get rid of your TV? And why depend on others to tell you what you’re experiencing while viewing your TV?
Thats his whole point though, if the issue isn't described exactly, with good testing methodology - how can he verify if he notices it or not? [and 'just use your eyes lol' is an incredible disregard for the very limited return period] you're effectively boiling down the experience to 'do you sometimes see the screen get brighter when its dark?' and with such a vague question, the obvious answer is yes - because all displays have varied luminescence.
Happy New Year, Vincent! I think you're one of the best TV/projector reviewers to ever come along, and I'm very grateful to you for having the integrity to tell it like it is, in spite of the ramifications that might have for your industry and professional relationships. It's tough to stand your ground in your situation and I admire you very much for having the integrity to do that. (I was a professional calibrator a few years ago and I'm aware of the very fine line you have to walk to balance objectivity with maintaining good relationships with manufacturers, suppliers, and other calibrators.) It's depressing to read reviews performed by experienced calibrators that appear in consumer electronics publications (there aren't many anymore) and know they are not telling the whole story so as not to compromise the publication's relationships with manufacturers. I feel I can never rely solely on their reviews anymore so I always look to your unbiased reviews to get complete, fact-based, and accurate analyses for consumer video products. Whatever you decide to do in the future, I'd be willing to support you (monetarily or otherwise). Thank you again, and please keep up the great work!
So glad I found this video! We just got an LG BX as a warranty replacement for our old LG B6 (2016). I noticed this issue straight away and was sure that our old TV didn't do it. Have been arguing with LG for almost two months now and they insist it's normal for OLED TVs and that the BX is not inferior to our old TV. I was almost starting to believe them too so this video was a great sanity check for me! How have they not fixed this issue two generations later??? I've never seen such a thorough and unbiased reviewer before and it really sucks that those qualities aren't conducive to the feasibility of your channel. I hope you figured it out.
I have always liked movies and TV technology, but it is your channel that has really made me a smart and knowledgeable consumer, and I have gone on to help my friends with the new tv purchases as well. I hope you don't change who you are because you're the voice I know a lot of us appreciate most!
I’ll support you forever. Your style is honest and interesting for a lot of people. Maybe you can talk to Crompton & Moore to deliver retail versions of tvs to you so you can review them and send them back?
Crompton & Moore may support Mr Vincent yes but the manufactuirers may get pissed off and stop supplying Crompton & MooreTelevisions and other products also that would be a great concern .
Please don't stop what your doing Vincent. Gamers Nexus investigates hardware pros and cons in a similar style to you, albeit PC hardware. Maybe reach out to them for advice?
You are doing Vincent a disservice by comparing him to GN. This guy on his own is one class above that whole joint. If you actually want to help his venture/cause: donate, loan him your hardware .. you might get a free calibration or something for it .. and so on .. There's no real advice to be given here .. he knows what to do and how to "keep it real" .. the problem is, the audience has to chip in. Independence comes with a cost.
I bought a LG B8 2 days ago after watching this channel for a few weeks and saw the comparison between pannasonic 950 and LG E8. I went to buy the pannasonic but the LG seemed to offer more features we would use as it mainly for gaming and streaming, so we came home with the LG. I noticed this flickering last night and today this video came out. Wish I had of seen it first.
Near black blocking is my pet hate on hd+ tvs! Thanks for highlighting LGs long-term neglect. As consumer awareness grows hopefully they'll be moved to address it. Bravo!!
Vincent, thank you for being honest and for highlighting the problems on TV sets in a concise and clear manner. I will continue supporting your channel. Thank you so much for your time and expertise. I know you will face adversity in 2019 but don’t feel discouraged and know that you have a loyal base of subscribers.
Your honesty is precisely why I trust your reviews. I would trust more a reviewer with fewer honest/accurate models reviewed, than one with more models reviewed but not completely honest/accurate. Keep up the good work!
Your honest, unbiased and knowledgeable reviews and tips are always a breath of fresh air and have helped me on choosing the best TV for me. Also your dry sense of humour has me laughing out loud while getting educated. What more can you ask for. I do hope you manage to keep doing what your doing in your own, unique way. Thanks for all your help and good luck going forward.
I like how the moment I read about a new issue affecting OLEDs, you already have a video directly addressing it. I can always rely on your videos to keep me up-to-speed.
Your no nonsense attitude to reviews and your humour is what makes me look forward to all of your videos. Don't lower your standards just to please manufacturers. Hold your head up high Vincent and never let them get you down.
You're one of the best. Lg is stupid if they believe their products should be looked at as perfect. Other reviewers have caught on to the macro blocking as well.
I’ve just started watching your reviews Vincent, and I hope you get to keep providing honest and thorough reviews. I’m finding them extremely helpful. Manufacturers need to know that just because their products have flaws, as all products do, it doesn’t impact people like me buying them. I’ve just purchased an LG oled E8’s and plan on immersing myself thoroughly. Yes, it will have the flaws you mention, but it’s important to remember that when watching a movie, we are mostly involved with the story, and not the small flaws that might appear for a few milliseconds. Hopefully, the manufacturers realize your value in presenting honest and complete reviews, both pro and con.
@@filipkostadinovic6119 No problem. I've had my C8 for about a month and it's been amazing. I upgraded from a mid tier RCA HD TV I got back in College and the difference has changed screens for me forever. Watching movies and playing videogames all day is the brunt of what my TV has been tasked with. Setting it up was really easy and getting it updated was seamless. I've got it hooked up through the built in ethernet port in the back of the unit but it also has wifi capability. The picture settings on each HDMI input have the ability to save individual profiles per port which is great for switching between consoles. Within each profile it has a preset for non HDR content that can be changed seamlessly with the remote. Definitely use the game modes when you're playing, you'll feel the difference instantly. I Haven't encountered any visual glitches or issues with mine but your mileage may vary based on what I've been seeing online. I've even tried hooking up older consoles through the composite video jack adapter that it comes with, the Gamecube being blown up on that screen was an interesting experience haha. I highly recommend the C8, 4K HDR Blu-Ray movies look incredible and the infinite black levels really do make a massive difference. Watch one of the Netflix documentaries about space and you'll swear there are real stars on your screen. The built in speakers are really great although I plan to get a surround sound system in the near future to compliment it. Hope this helps! Oh btw I have the 55'' model.
@@photonarbiter Thanks a lot for all this info :) I've read generally whatever i could find about B8 and C8, as i am considering about one these two, but ill try to save up some more and go for C8. But its always best to hear the real users opinion :) At first i wanted to go for Samsung Q8FN, but seeing the crispier and better OLED advantages i never looked back on QLEDs. My usage will exactly like yours, so movies and games mostly. Ill go for a 55" also, 65" is way to expensive at the moment (for me atleast). Thanks again for all the good info!
First off Vincent I don't have the answer. But your style and honesty is the ONLY reason alot of us subscribe. In this day and age of half truths and bought/biased reviews you are the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow for all of us that look to make the best purchase we can based on the rigorous and in depth testing only you seem to provide. There is also no doubt in my mind your testing and your influence with a large loyal following will possibly influence some manufacturers to put out a better product and be more swift and forthcoming with any additional updates needed as well.
Vincent, I enjoy your review and bought my C8 mostly based on your reviews. Can't speak for the others, but if this black chrominance is the worst issue on these TVs, I am happy to live with it, although a firmware fix would be fantastic. That said, if you are a honest reviewer that people trust, manufacturers should have every incentive to make you happy and as long as you are objective, the result is what consumers would truly want. This process takes a certain critical mass to gain steam, but in the meanwhile I am sure a bunch of us would be happy to let you test on our TVs for one. It might be tricky to do comparisons but patron account can perhaps pay for shipping to you first and then having it shipped to final destination. What do you think? But whatever you do, please don't let objectivity fritter away!
So a company like LG thinks the buyers of their OLEDs won't see these issues themselves? At least with Vincent it gives them an opportunity to fix said issues. The alternative is to leave the issue unfixed and lose customers who potentially never buy from the brand again. I have news for ALL manufacturers, in a social media world/forums - people talk, so suck it up, fix the issues or lose customers.
That's the biggest problem. These companies don't even want anyone to POINT out any issues in their products. Reason being they don't want to go back to their R&D and testing labs to find cause and solution because that will cost them money at that stage and also a whole lot more at the stage of implementing solutions. They want the consumers to just accept the issues as 'norms' and 'standard features' and when reviewers like Vincent point it out, it becomes trouble for these companies. They are ready to take the consumers' hard earned money, but they don't want to be held accountable and responsible for it. There is need of Global Consumer Rights laws with stricter norms.
@@richaneesh if they sale at lowered price ? Which we will only buy at . then we would grow accosted to faulty good's and up grade more often. I buy every 10yrs but would change every 5yrs .
LOL, loved the mock call to LG P.R. manager. Keep growing your presence as an influencer and soon you cannot be avoided. Your style is not critical it's thorough. You have given many reasons to buy ever set I've seen you review, is any set perfect no.. if it was there wouldn't be any need for continually firmware updates or new models they would stop at perfection. Consumers realize there are pros & cons to every purchase not just tvs and the manufactures should embrace your review style because if someone wants to buy then watching your reviews gives them the reason to pull the trigger. It did for me. Keep up the great work.
mobilitytoday Few Sony users have been reporting the issue, my brand new Philips 803 also has it. Not sure if going any other non LG Oled is a 100% safe option at this point.
Yeah buy the Sony and end up with worse problem of dimming the whole screen if is a static HUD or network channel logo even the score of games! People are pulling their hair, because Sony don't want to make the patch for 7 months now, because it's a feature that prevent burning and only covers for their asses! Never mind if the consumer watch sport or any kind of content with static logo or HUD for games and brightness goes from 350 nits if it's on max Oled light to about 50 after 2 minutes of watching😆😂🤣 And Oled light doesn't need to be on max,flat panel did the test and calibret the AF8 to 100 nits(20 of a 100 slide) and the brightness drop to 55 nits after 2 minutes of watching football game and when the they reapet the goal the brightness spike to 100 nits and then back to 50-55🤢🤮🤑 Because let's face it every video, game, channel have static element and Sony whant do a damn thing!!!
Oh and as for manufacturers that maybe reading these comments not sponsoring Vince here is a really bad move as it's the real die hards that watch these types of vids for the best we can get out of the systems we buy. Not allowing him to use your equipment means I then keep my cash in my pocket thinking better the devil you know and not the one that looks bright and appealing in the corner. For instance for all its short coming and there are one or two... I spent my money on the LGB7... and Vince has helped me tweek and upgrade to what is now a fine unit. I didn't see any vids direct fro LG offering me this info for free and again the Panasonic UB9000 my Mrs got me for Christmas... why... purely be Vince did his vid on it back in October... so Manufacturers take heed. The man is doing you guys a great service.... capitalize on it.... we love the video's.... it's all about information for us real audio video geeks... and WE SPEND!
I agree that what Vince is doing is invaluable. However, let's be real, 90% of people google "top 10 HDTV 2018" and watch 5 videos and pick the TV that gets in the top 5 or so the most.
Continue to stand your ground Vincent and review in a manner that suits yourself. We viewers are lucky enough to take part of your uncompromised style. Never fickle with your integrity and if you believe your review technique is the way to go, don't change it. Stay true to yourself and most of us will follow you wholeheartedly.
I have C8 (made in November 2018) and I use it in complete darkness. OMG! Now in all dark videos I'm only looking at these Near-Black "Flashing" problems and no longer content. They are always and everywhere, it's super annoying. :( Is LG close to the solution? - if not, be smart and buy another brand! Vincent, thank you for your objective reviews.
Still a problem in 2020. Got this near black flashing / chrominance overshoot on my LG CX. It’s not related to VRR. You‘ll see it mostly in games as soon as something is moving. I saw it in every game I played so far. It is very obvious and really annoying. I hope there’ll be a fix for this soon. I regret buying this TV at the moment.
Thx for bringing up this issue. Please don't change your style, as this is precisely what makes you stand out from the rest. I know it's hard to make money being honest, but it's what matters the most.
It's so difficult to find this kind of honesty. Great content and I hope you keep this up. Vendors who take pride in their products should get this guy on board with samples. He's pretty much QC'ing their product to improve on it. Give us the list of vendors who do support you as I'll support those vendors in return.
Your reviews are the only true reviews we can trust. Example you can tell Rtings isn't completely honest not even close IMO, so please Don't Change. Hopefully, someone with $$ can help to keep you going.
Please keep up the reviews. These are all honest to goodness take of TV reviewing. You are doing good to all of us avid TV users especially OLED users. 👍
Thanks for continued support of the AV community Vincent. Don't really have any suggestions for your problems with the manufacturers although my current OLED was purchased from Crampton and Moore to try and support you.
Vincent , and more importantly TV manufacturers. This channel has enabled myself and friends that watch your content to buy with complete confidence. Knowing what you’re getting into with no surprises it a wonderful situation to be in. I’d like to think that manufactures would hold your content in high regard. Considering most of the top brands offer a slightly different selection of Products. And knowing the nuances enables people to be truly happy with the selection. I.e. I picked up a particular brand as I believed it was better for my needs ware as my friends selected Something completely different , both based on your reviews. It may be worth you creating a small questionnaire and asking people who have benefited and gone on to purchase a televisions through watching your videos to fill this out . this would hopefully show a balanced selection and prove to manufacturers that there is no bias but rather a lot of happily informed people making informed purchases. I think your channel is unique in giving those who are very interested in the technology of these new sets the benefit of your knowledge. Keep up the great work . Thank you , always Happy to support 😎👍🏽
Mr Vincent nice to see you again If anyone buys a TV and they have problems they will just send it back and they will not buy again from that company, Your reviews help people understand the highs and lows of different makes and models so they should be thanking you for pointing issues out for them seeing there staff are just not aware of these problems or just dont want to fix issues and hope noone will see them . I appreciate your efforts and im shure so do all your viewers , you good man Thumbs Up.
People follow you and respect your thorough analysis and opinions for a reason. You're a trustworthy source and you get to the heart of the matter, and you champion a cause for people when issues inevitably occur. It's up to the manufacturers to own those issues, and having someone as well respected as yourself to champion those issues is a real boon to us little people. Please retain your values, don't sell out like so many obviously have. Journalistic integrity counts for a lot. What we need is for manufacturers to take you more seriously, and for other journalists be less easily won over and/or sweet-talked into papering over certain negatives. Or in other words, you're setting a much higher standard and everybody else needs to lift their game! If you're getting shut out by any manufacturers in particular, perhaps consider naming and shaming! Risky? probably.. but you'll have our support - and maybe that's enough!
Great video vince , your knowledge and honesty on this channel is unmatched !!!! Hopefully if we keep watching and sharing your videos it'll force these companies to fix these issues !!!
The TV companies should know that if you haven't reviewed it, a lot of us aren't going to risk buying it. And if they don't think their products are up to being reviewed by you, that's a bad sign to us. Obviously only a few people feel that way vs their customer base, but it's a growing number, and the people who watch your videos are also the types of people advising others what to buy. Also, companies should now that what matters more is that they FIX problems, not whether problems exist; they always exist. I bought an LG OLED after watching your video about a problem with it, because you said LG had acknowledged the issue (a good sign in itself) and were working on a fix, and I could see they had fixed issues in the past. Sure enough, they fixed it, and I'm happy. Good companies should want to work with you to help get problems solved, as a reliable interface to the community, who can collate and verify issues coming from their end users. They should be paying you for that really!
Thanks Vincent. Please stay true to yourself and tell us how it really is. It’s great when people like yourself don’t sugarcoat everything. One day I’ll book a calibration when I finally buy my OLED :)
Pointing issues out in a professional and reproducible manner is the BEST way to get those fixed. No matter what, every piece of software and hardware is affected by issues. Hopefully most of those are not hardware wrong design and can be fixed through software and firmware update. Sony, LG, Panasonic and all the other manufacturers out there should give you free samples. Improving their products and showing the brand transparency that allows you to perform the validation and the report will only improve the product quality and the brand customer confidence!
Ni hao Vincent. As a professional photographer I regard your work as the pinnacle of professional calibration. In reply to your question on the future of your reviews and cross comparisons of new visual wizardry, my reply is this. Stay firm to your chosen path and portray the reality of the visual display medium with pride. Social compliance is a dangerous master. The world has quiet enough puppets. A strong statement I know. You are a perfectionist that displays passion and morality at the forefront of your work. Do not let the underhand and insecure attitude of the muppets from marketing, degrade your core values. Take pride in this: When international companies hide from you, play their games, and resist critic, then the closer you are to the truth, the truth that the public yearns for. You are our eyes and ears, you unravel the discombobulating marketing hype. Vincent, your honesty is a vastly undervalued commodity in our society. It is the language of the almost extinct, lone wolf. * I am there waiting, watching keeping to the shadows. But when you need me I will step out of the shadows and protect what is mine.* (unknown author) Be the professional that you are, rather than an unpaid, porn of the media machine. We the nurds of the world unit and through our unruffled feathers we move society forwards. P.P.
Vincent, I've never commented on a youtube channel but after watching your video I'd like you to know I watch all your content because it's very interesting, knowledgeable, honest and funny. I'll admit, I'm on my lunch break here at work and I LMFAO when "Sally" said to go f*** yourself. My coworkers just gave me weird look. Anyway, I'm not too familiar with how youtube commissions work, but perhaps allowing a couple of ads to play during your content may help you financially, especially as your channel grows? If I have to sit through a few ads to support your channel then I'm all for it. I wish I had a better solution for you man but just know I appreciate your honest reviews and look forward to more of them in the future.
I brought my sony kd65x9300e based on your review and the technical review of the television. The technical details made it so much easier for me to choose the correct television for me based on Facts not marketing PR. Keep up the honest reviews from a technical aspect as for people like me it is a better way to buy products as you Truly know what you are getting for your money. I spent alot of time doing research before I brought it and your reviews were bang on the money
Thanks for the excellent video. It's especially great how you have managed to capture the video and show this flashing problem side-by-side. I loved my C8, 4K HDR Blu-rays were incredible, though by day 9 of ownership is when this flashing issue became apparent in SDR content. As I was in the return window I just decided it best to do so, and get my money back. What would you recommend, Vincent? I ultimately narrowed my choice down to the C8 and FZ802 due to gaming input lag, and leaned towards LG due to 4x FB HDMIs and Dolby Vision. Would you recommend the FZ802 still, is it best to wait a bit longer and see if LG can address this flashing issue?
Hi Vincent, thank you for your reviews, you're a genuine person! I noticed flashing , watching Mamma Mia 2 HDR , it was a white flash , I went back to the scene where it happened,it didn't flash second time
i would really appreciate a in depth comparison between the af8 and the lg c8 i got the af8 i am happy with it but i constantly worry that i would have gotten a better picture with the c8 due to the dim issue everyone mentions, one thing i can say is that my sony xperia xz1 has more vibrant colors than my sony oled, white is so much better on my xz1, and i have my xz1 set to super vivid mode with blue turned up all the way to 171, no matter how much i change settings on my sony oled i can't get as bright vibrant colors especially as bright perfect white.
The dimming is done by Sony to make your OLED less prone to burn-in and for your display to last longer. LG's OLED, do to their brightness, seemed plagued with burn in. You notice rarely hear or read people complaining about burn-in on Sony OLED's.
You are the most honest reviewer. Please stay this way. I understand marketing, and how it can be an issue regarding ur channel. Bug if u start a patreon. I will donate to you.
Vincent, I thoroughly enjoy your independent reviews and I have turned my friends onto your channel because of them. I understand your situation and I wish I could help. However, it would be a shame if you weren't able to conduct your reviews in the current fashion. I wish you well and be assured I will continue to follow your excellent work. Thx.
Excellent analysis as always Vincent, I really admire you for your work, your integrity and your objectivity in reviews (and also for your humor! Ahahah!). Hold on and don't change your style, even if I can understand it is very expensive to review a TV without the possibility to have a sample from the manufacturer.
I love your videos. You are very knowledgeable and I LOVE your humor. Sorry I don't have any suggestions...I really want you to continue the same way you do.
You are one of a kind in your honest, detailed & scientific reviews. I wish you could review all the tech toys I buy in the same manner. I’m definitely willing to support you when you come up with a solution. In a world controlled by marketing fluff and curtains we need to support the true and honest. If we all gave just $1-$5 an episode that should take care of it. Sign me up. Thank you for your knowledge and expertise.
Hi Vincent, I think your reviews and tests add a lot of value. Maybe you could offer to beta test new models or make an agrement that when you find an issue you notify the manufacturer and give them the opportunity to correct the issue or respond before you put the video up. I recently brought by Q9FN back to the story because the local dimming on that TV as some flaws and the brightening of the picture when watching 4K content with subs really put me off. As a substitude I got the Sony AF9 and could not be happier with the picture quality, if only the remote was somewhat nicer... All in all, keep doing what you are doing and maybe involve the manufacturers in some more.
Hey Vincent, I have a flickering screen issue on the left side of the screen with my C8 55 inch. Most noticable in the grey home screen from RUclips. I've also read on Reddit that I'm not the only one.
I think they call it a plus or minus to and a grading of each panel. Consumers often get standard or substandard panels. Reference panels are sent out to broadcast or production.
I bought a 77”C8 this week. Yesterday it downloaded its latest firmware update, do you know if this problem of Gal Gadot has been addressed and corrected yet Vincent?... thanks for the videos they are very informative and make me chuckle 😂
@HDTVTest There is another issue with the TV (B8 here) where when using a networkcable you can't cast to the TV, as this only works via WiFi. Yet if you both enable cable and WiFi at the same time, the TV will disable WiFi over time to save energy. Again disabling your ability to cast to the TV.
I was about to buy B8 65inch... So is it possible a fermware update can fix this issue? Lol at your phone call skit at the end. Best reviews by far on the internet...thankyou
I really appreciate your honesty and the integrity of your review. You should not change your style just to satisfy big companies. Stay true to yourself! By the way, I need an opinion. I'm from Brazil, and I've bought a LG OLED55B7P in October, and it's working fine. Then, I've bought a LG OLED55B8SSC in November, but, as soon as I turned it on, I've noticed a dark spot on the screen who is only visible when it's showing grey color on the screen. It was located on the right side and on the down corner of the screen (it can be seen when I open the Amazon Prime Video app or when I'm scrolling through the RUclips app. It can't be seen when playing videos.) I've returned the TV to the website where I bought it and they've sent me a brand new one. But, this time, when I turned it on, I've seen 4 dark spot on the screen. They're located on the left side of the screen, on the down corner. When I try to record the screen to capture the issue on my smartphone, I can see the screen emiting some light flashes near these dots. I've contacted the website again and asked them to change the TV again. The weird thing is that I've tested this issue on the LG OLED55B7P and there's no dark spot. The B7P is perfect, the issue is only visible on the B8SSC. What's your opinion about this issue? Is it normal? Should I be worried about it? Should I cancel my order and get another brand? (Sony 55A8F or Samsung 55Q7F) Thank you so much for your review!!! Keep doing this great job!
Hi Vincent, Since we’re on the topic of LG OLED’s.. With my older C6, should I choose ‘Wide’ colour gamut when on HDR10 or ‘Extended’, or just ‘Normal’?? Plus, in Dolby Vision, is it preferrable to use a colour temperature of Warm 2 or Warm 3? Thanks! FWIW, just continue what you do best. Get into the nittygritty when it comes to PQ. I think Crampton and Moore and others would still provide the TV’s/Projectors that most manufacturers won’t provide directly.
I had a C6, choose normal, because its like auto mode, when u choose normal the tv switches automatically to the right color gamut. choose the color temperatur that u like the most, I use warm1.
it doesn't matter. It will detect proper gamut. If you have it at normal now, leave it at that. If it is set to wide leave it at that. If you do change it while watching, you will need to stop what you are watching. Turn off player and tv, and then turn both back on. Then it will detect proper gamut again. IOW, don't mess with the color gamut.
Thanks.. I just got a UHD BD Player with DV that’s why I asked.. I will stick with Normal colour gamut. I noticed that that skin tones look unnatural with Wide on HDR10.. While Warm 3 on either HDR 10 or DV looks too dark and kills any effect HDR has.. So I’m sticking with Warm 2 so it’s not too blue in hue.
The lack of sugarcoating on your reviews is much appreciated and main reason most of us ignore the other review sites while we wait for your analysis. Them getting the early scoop on some models is worthless when we can't trust their reviews. Regarding the funding dilemma of your channel, have you considered going back to also offering a written version of all your reviews? You can add more advertisers (and affiliate links for purchase) there and written articles are also much more convenient for quickly looking up measurements compared to scouring through hours of youtube videos. Seems to work for rtings business model. The statistics regarding number of users willing to pay for this kind of content is really depressing. With 100K subscribers donating just a single $1, would be enough to cover the costs of buying most of the flagship TVs worth reviewing each year. Maybe raffle off the TVs after review as an additional incentive for those supporting the channel?
Hi Vincent, I appreciate your work here and your particular style is what we all need. I think you should maybe move to a format where you review a set only when you receive enough donation money from your viewers, that would also work as a voting mechanism. Once the funds are there you can buy the TV and review it, then do a giveaway targeting all the people who have donated. I guess Kickstarter would be a good platform for this kind of model, or you could implement Kickstarter features in your website. Obviously you need to reach even more ppl to make such a model work in a timely manner, just my two cents. Wish you a happy New year! S.
My LG E6 flicker a lot lately but it's not on dark scenes just normal. The screens flicker darker on bright colors. I think it wasn't as bad as it is now. I'm watching House Of Cards on Netflix and screen flicker like crazy. What can we do? Does warranty cover it?
Thanks, on second b8 after returning the first - less of an issue in some scenes but still see it in alot of content. Do you think it's fixable with a firmware update?
I've mentioned this numerous times on your videos, highlighting haunting of hill house as the example to see it most. Recent firmware has helped. Netflix seems to be problematic as I've had 0 issues with discs. Anyways good work Vincent.
Vincent let me relay opinion on your independent reviews. Keep doing this. Do not request or require review samples. This is your unique positioning as a reviewer.
Hi Vincent, I like your review style, thank you for your honesty, these TV companies should fix any known problem before they put their product on the market. regards Gary
I'm not too familiar with the tv calibrating business. If it's busy enough maybe offer a free calibration for a specific model to do a video on? I don't watch other tv reviewers. I enjoy the in depth analysis and I'd have to say when looking to make a purchase decision I'm willing to make a sacrifice because I don't expect any tv to be perfect across the board. Honesty and thoroughness is more beneficial than a glowing review that leaves me with buyer's remorse down the line.
Great video Vincent, as usual. You might want to skip the second camera angle, unless you time it so you're actually looking at B camera when B camera footage is on.
Thank you so much for explanation on these issue,.. I was seeing I though it was just my self.. my wife did not notice but when I said to her she start to see it.. already start the conversations to give back the tv and get back my money let’s see how it’s gonna end... I will be able to show the problem to engineer from lg that will show up.... thank u once again. My question is do you think these issue can be fix by a firmware update or is a problem from the panels...?
Yeah, I noticed flaws in The Arrival in UHD through Amazon on my C8. Happened a couple of times when fading to black. Honestly the whole movie isn’t what I would call reference quality. I watched The Revenant HDR10 Bluray the other night in the dark and didn’t see anything problematic for my normal viewing distance. I wish all Blu-ray transfers looked that pristine.
Your review style is great. Keep it the way it is. They only solution I can think of is to buy a tv from the store, review it, and return it within the thirty day period where you can get your money back, haha! I'm sure your have thought of that and I don't think it would work... Merry Christmas and happy new year btw.
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You are an independent reviewer, so is natural for the companies not rely on your analysis. Keep yourself who you are.
*I like this channel because it's knowledgable and it's honest* . Reviewers who gets a free TV are too biased. Keep up the good work.
Oalmax and he is so funny at the same time! Great channel hands down!
Also he's a professional calibrator.
He gets his tvs for free, and lg pays him and among other stuff research Man
@@blackfish8881 Retailers send him test models for advertising. He's been transparent about that.
Well, if that is the case, he is still pretty honest in his reviews.
LG knew about this issue on all their LG OLEDs. They haven't solved it for their own reasons. They weren't particularly motivated to do so. I see it on my C6 (posterization in near black, bit starved content and quick changes in localized brightness.
Vincent, stick to your current format and style. We have enough reviewers that pander for access. We don't need any more than we have.
Would having more RUclips subscribers aid in you providing objective reviews. Patreon may yield better results with a larger subscription base. Maybe if you expanded your subject matter discussions to more home theater subjects (audio and video) and reviewed more tech related subjects, you could pull in more eyes. Maybe it's just taking time for you to build your audience to the size it needs to be for success. I've seen other channels that take a critical view of products take time to gain traction and become self-supporting.
What you need are more views. The content is deserving of such. Since I'm not a RUclipsr, I wouldn't know how to grow your channel but others who are and were able to expand the viewership may have good ideas.
I am coming here cause of your honesty and thoroughness! Don’t let those big boys make you compromise your integrity.
Use your channel to scale your calibration business - gotta train some people or clone yourself (or use Vinni for a start)
First let me say this video saved me from so much confusion and I was ready to trade out my sony A8F after reading about this issue and thinking I saw it in the Last kingdom on my A8F .Your actual showing of the flashing problem made me realize I did not see it on my A8F and my tv will stay with me. Companies should be proud to have you pointing out these issues because they are real and need to be addressed. Thank you for what you are doing and especially in this video where you calmed the panic that began on Christmas Day when the Forbes article on this issue showed up on the internet.
So let me get this straight: You were about to get rid of your TV because you imagined that you saw an issue that didn't even exist? LMAO! That's pretty hilarious.
Vincent should do more videos on the Sony A8F, otherwise you won't have a clue as to what's going on with your own TV.
@@ilusiil Yeah, that makes no sense, haha.
If you read the Forbes article you would understand. It was stated the issue was also reported in Sony Oleds and the example that I had to look at was the Netflix Last Kingdom example. Describing the problem is vague compared to actually seeing it in slow motion.
matt giunta So you trust Forbes more than you trust your own eyes? Forbes says that your TV has an issue, you can’t see it with your own eyes yet you’re ready to get rid of your TV. Then Vincent tells you that your TV doesn’t have this issue so now you’re cool with your TV again?
I’m sorry, but if you can’t see this issue with your own eyes why would you get rid of your TV? And why depend on others to tell you what you’re experiencing while viewing your TV?
Thats his whole point though, if the issue isn't described exactly, with good testing methodology - how can he verify if he notices it or not? [and 'just use your eyes lol' is an incredible disregard for the very limited return period] you're effectively boiling down the experience to 'do you sometimes see the screen get brighter when its dark?' and with such a vague question, the obvious answer is yes - because all displays have varied luminescence.
Happy New Year, Vincent! I think you're one of the best TV/projector reviewers to ever come along, and I'm very grateful to you for having the integrity to tell it like it is, in spite of the ramifications that might have for your industry and professional relationships. It's tough to stand your ground in your situation and I admire you very much for having the integrity to do that. (I was a professional calibrator a few years ago and I'm aware of the very fine line you have to walk to balance objectivity with maintaining good relationships with manufacturers, suppliers, and other calibrators.) It's depressing to read reviews performed by experienced calibrators that appear in consumer electronics publications (there aren't many anymore) and know they are not telling the whole story so as not to compromise the publication's relationships with manufacturers. I feel I can never rely solely on their reviews anymore so I always look to your unbiased reviews to get complete, fact-based, and accurate analyses for consumer video products. Whatever you decide to do in the future, I'd be willing to support you (monetarily or otherwise). Thank you again, and please keep up the great work!
So glad I found this video! We just got an LG BX as a warranty replacement for our old LG B6 (2016). I noticed this issue straight away and was sure that our old TV didn't do it. Have been arguing with LG for almost two months now and they insist it's normal for OLED TVs and that the BX is not inferior to our old TV. I was almost starting to believe them too so this video was a great sanity check for me! How have they not fixed this issue two generations later???
I've never seen such a thorough and unbiased reviewer before and it really sucks that those qualities aren't conducive to the feasibility of your channel. I hope you figured it out.
I never had any doubts that your reviews are honest and that you show us the pros and cons in a professional manner
I have always liked movies and TV technology, but it is your channel that has really made me a smart and knowledgeable consumer, and I have gone on to help my friends with the new tv purchases as well. I hope you don't change who you are because you're the voice I know a lot of us appreciate most!
I’ll support you forever. Your style is honest and interesting for a lot of people. Maybe you can talk to Crompton & Moore to deliver retail versions of tvs to you so you can review them and send them back?
Crompton & Moore may support Mr Vincent yes but the manufactuirers may get pissed off and stop supplying Crompton & MooreTelevisions and other products also that would be a great concern .
Please don't stop what your doing Vincent. Gamers Nexus investigates hardware pros and cons in a similar style to you, albeit PC hardware. Maybe reach out to them for advice?
You are doing Vincent a disservice by comparing him to GN. This guy on his own is one class above that whole joint.
If you actually want to help his venture/cause: donate, loan him your hardware .. you might get a free calibration or something for it .. and so on ..
There's no real advice to be given here .. he knows what to do and how to "keep it real" .. the problem is, the audience has to chip in. Independence comes with a cost.
I bought a LG B8 2 days ago after watching this channel for a few weeks and saw the comparison between pannasonic 950 and LG E8.
I went to buy the pannasonic but the LG seemed to offer more features we would use as it mainly for gaming and streaming, so we came home with the LG.
I noticed this flickering last night and today this video came out. Wish I had of seen it first.
Near black blocking is my pet hate on hd+ tvs! Thanks for highlighting LGs long-term neglect.
As consumer awareness grows hopefully they'll be moved to address it. Bravo!!
Vincent, thank you for being honest and for highlighting the problems on TV sets in a concise and clear manner. I will continue supporting your channel. Thank you so much for your time and expertise. I know you will face adversity in 2019 but don’t feel discouraged and know that you have a loyal base of subscribers.
I’m glad that you will not compromise on your honesty and way of reviewing! Sadly, I don’t have any suggestions for your problem.
Your honesty is precisely why I trust your reviews. I would trust more a reviewer with fewer honest/accurate models reviewed, than one with more models reviewed but not completely honest/accurate. Keep up the good work!
Your honest, unbiased and knowledgeable reviews and tips are always a breath of fresh air and have helped me on choosing the best TV for me. Also your dry sense of humour has me laughing out loud while getting educated. What more can you ask for. I do hope you manage to keep doing what your doing in your own, unique way. Thanks for all your help and good luck going forward.
I like how the moment I read about a new issue affecting OLEDs, you already have a video directly addressing it. I can always rely on your videos to keep me up-to-speed.
As a technician I love your honest reviews (Adelaide,South Australia).
Your no nonsense attitude to reviews and your humour is what makes me look forward to all of your videos. Don't lower your standards just to please manufacturers. Hold your head up high Vincent and never let them get you down.
This guy is beyond honest, and this is not base in of what you can hear, this is on base of you can feel, he is just excellent.
You're one of the best. Lg is stupid if they believe their products should be looked at as perfect. Other reviewers have caught on to the macro blocking as well.
I’ve just started watching your reviews Vincent, and I hope you get to keep providing honest and thorough reviews. I’m finding them extremely helpful. Manufacturers need to know that just because their products have flaws, as all products do, it doesn’t impact people like me buying them. I’ve just purchased an LG oled E8’s and plan on immersing myself thoroughly. Yes, it will have the flaws you mention, but it’s important to remember that when watching a movie, we are mostly involved with the story, and not the small flaws that might appear for a few milliseconds. Hopefully, the manufacturers realize your value in presenting honest and complete reviews, both pro and con.
Your objective tests are the major reason why I enjoy your content. It's also the reason I went with the LG C8 as my first 4K tv last month.
Hey, can you give me some info and your experiance with your C8, as i am considering getting one myself?
@@filipkostadinovic6119 No problem. I've had my C8 for about a month and it's been amazing. I upgraded from a mid tier RCA HD TV I got back in College and the difference has changed screens for me forever. Watching movies and playing videogames all day is the brunt of what my TV has been tasked with. Setting it up was really easy and getting it updated was seamless. I've got it hooked up through the built in ethernet port in the back of the unit but it also has wifi capability.
The picture settings on each HDMI input have the ability to save individual profiles per port which is great for switching between consoles. Within each profile it has a preset for non HDR content that can be changed seamlessly with the remote. Definitely use the game modes when you're playing, you'll feel the difference instantly. I Haven't encountered any visual glitches or issues with mine but your mileage may vary based on what I've been seeing online.
I've even tried hooking up older consoles through the composite video jack adapter that it comes with, the Gamecube being blown up on that screen was an interesting experience haha. I highly recommend the C8, 4K HDR Blu-Ray movies look incredible and the infinite black levels really do make a massive difference. Watch one of the Netflix documentaries about space and you'll swear there are real stars on your screen. The built in speakers are really great although I plan to get a surround sound system in the near future to compliment it.
Hope this helps! Oh btw I have the 55'' model.
@@photonarbiter Thanks a lot for all this info :) I've read generally whatever i could find about B8 and C8, as i am considering about one these two, but ill try to save up some more and go for C8. But its always best to hear the real users opinion :) At first i wanted to go for Samsung Q8FN, but seeing the crispier and better OLED advantages i never looked back on QLEDs. My usage will exactly like yours, so movies and games mostly. Ill go for a 55" also, 65" is way to expensive at the moment (for me atleast). Thanks again for all the good info!
Not a good choice never buy a LG. Regardless of who makes the oled panels. lg can’t make their own oled look good
@@pioneer2321 Mine has been perfect. If you don't like it you don't have to buy it.
First off Vincent I don't have the answer. But your style and honesty is the ONLY reason alot of us subscribe. In this day and age of half truths and bought/biased reviews you are the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow for all of us that look to make the best purchase we can based on the rigorous and in depth testing only you seem to provide. There is also no doubt in my mind your testing and your influence with a large loyal following will possibly influence some manufacturers to put out a better product and be more swift and forthcoming with any additional updates needed as well.
Vincent, I enjoy your review and bought my C8 mostly based on your reviews. Can't speak for the others, but if this black chrominance is the worst issue on these TVs, I am happy to live with it, although a firmware fix would be fantastic. That said, if you are a honest reviewer that people trust, manufacturers should have every incentive to make you happy and as long as you are objective, the result is what consumers would truly want. This process takes a certain critical mass to gain steam, but in the meanwhile I am sure a bunch of us would be happy to let you test on our TVs for one. It might be tricky to do comparisons but patron account can perhaps pay for shipping to you first and then having it shipped to final destination. What do you think? But whatever you do, please don't let objectivity fritter away!
That fictional LG PR manager phone call at the end made my day xD!
So a company like LG thinks the buyers of their OLEDs won't see these issues themselves? At least with Vincent it gives them an opportunity to fix said issues. The alternative is to leave the issue unfixed and lose customers who potentially never buy from the brand again. I have news for ALL manufacturers, in a social media world/forums - people talk, so suck it up, fix the issues or lose customers.
That's the biggest problem. These companies don't even want anyone to POINT out any issues in their products. Reason being they don't want to go back to their R&D and testing labs to find cause and solution because that will cost them money at that stage and also a whole lot more at the stage of implementing solutions. They want the consumers to just accept the issues as 'norms' and 'standard features' and when reviewers like Vincent point it out, it becomes trouble for these companies. They are ready to take the consumers' hard earned money, but they don't want to be held accountable and responsible for it. There is need of Global Consumer Rights laws with stricter norms.
@@richaneesh if they sale at lowered price ? Which we will only buy at . then we would grow accosted to faulty good's and up grade more often.
I buy every 10yrs but would change every 5yrs .
LOL, loved the mock call to LG P.R. manager. Keep growing your presence as an influencer and soon you cannot be avoided. Your style is not critical it's thorough. You have given many reasons to buy ever set I've seen you review, is any set perfect no.. if it was there wouldn't be any need for continually firmware updates or new models they would stop at perfection. Consumers realize there are pros & cons to every purchase not just tvs and the manufactures should embrace your review style because if someone wants to buy then watching your reviews gives them the reason to pull the trigger. It did for me. Keep up the great work.
But what OLED do we buy? I have a very dark room and love the OLED. I have a C8 and worried. Any suggestions?
Buy the Sony AF9 :d
Patrick Olender L.G. makes those panels
mobilitytoday it’s not a panel issue, but a processing issue. So Sony’s or Panasonic’s OLED are fine.
mobilitytoday Few Sony users have been reporting the issue, my brand new Philips 803 also has it. Not sure if going any other non LG Oled is a 100% safe option at this point.
Yeah buy the Sony and end up with worse problem of dimming the whole screen if is a static HUD or network channel logo even the score of games!
People are pulling their hair, because Sony don't want to make the patch for 7 months now, because it's a feature that prevent burning and only covers for their asses!
Never mind if the consumer watch sport or any kind of content with static logo or HUD for games and brightness goes from 350 nits if it's on max Oled light to about 50 after 2 minutes of watching😆😂🤣
And Oled light doesn't need to be on max,flat panel did the test and calibret the AF8 to 100 nits(20 of a 100 slide) and the brightness drop to 55 nits after 2 minutes of watching football game and when the they reapet the goal the brightness spike to 100 nits and then back to 50-55🤢🤮🤑
Because let's face it every video, game, channel have static element and Sony whant do a damn thing!!!
Great job Vincent , I love the honest reviews you have a few TV reviewers on here that don't point out the negatives you do , learn a lot from you .
Oh and as for manufacturers that maybe reading these comments not sponsoring Vince here is a really bad move as it's the real die hards that watch these types of vids for the best we can get out of the systems we buy. Not allowing him to use your equipment means I then keep my cash in my pocket thinking better the devil you know and not the one that looks bright and appealing in the corner. For instance for all its short coming and there are one or two... I spent my money on the LGB7... and Vince has helped me tweek and upgrade to what is now a fine unit. I didn't see any vids direct fro LG offering me this info for free and again the Panasonic UB9000 my Mrs got me for Christmas... why... purely be Vince did his vid on it back in October... so Manufacturers take heed. The man is doing you guys a great service.... capitalize on it.... we love the video's.... it's all about information for us real audio video geeks... and WE SPEND!
I agree that what Vince is doing is invaluable. However, let's be real, 90% of people google "top 10 HDTV 2018" and watch 5 videos and pick the TV that gets in the top 5 or so the most.
Continue to stand your ground Vincent and review in a manner that suits yourself. We viewers are lucky enough to take part of your uncompromised style. Never fickle with your integrity and if you believe your review technique is the way to go, don't change it. Stay true to yourself and most of us will follow you wholeheartedly.
Hi Vincent,
do you know anything new about the fix for B8 models?
I have C8 (made in November 2018) and I use it in complete darkness. OMG! Now in all dark videos I'm only looking at these Near-Black "Flashing" problems and no longer content. They are always and everywhere, it's super annoying. :( Is LG close to the solution? - if not, be smart and buy another brand! Vincent, thank you for your objective reviews.
Hello did u fix the problem or is switching a new panel a only solution
Still a problem in 2020. Got this near black flashing / chrominance overshoot on my LG CX. It’s not related to VRR. You‘ll see it mostly in games as soon as something is moving. I saw it in every game I played so far. It is very obvious and really annoying. I hope there’ll be a fix for this soon. I regret buying this TV at the moment.
Thx for bringing up this issue. Please don't change your style, as this is precisely what makes you stand out from the rest. I know it's hard to make money being honest, but it's what matters the most.
It's so difficult to find this kind of honesty. Great content and I hope you keep this up. Vendors who take pride in their products should get this guy on board with samples. He's pretty much QC'ing their product to improve on it. Give us the list of vendors who do support you as I'll support those vendors in return.
Your reviews are the only true reviews we can trust. Example you can tell Rtings isn't completely honest not even close IMO, so please Don't Change. Hopefully, someone with $$ can help to keep you going.
Please keep up the reviews. These are all honest to goodness take of TV reviewing. You are doing good to all of us avid TV users especially OLED users. 👍
Man his humor is the best reason to watch videos even if you dont have interest in the matter it self :D
Thanks for continued support of the AV community Vincent. Don't really have any suggestions for your problems with the manufacturers although my current OLED was purchased from Crampton and Moore to try and support you.
Vincent , and more importantly TV manufacturers. This channel has enabled myself and friends that watch your content to buy with complete confidence. Knowing what you’re getting into with no surprises it a wonderful situation to be in. I’d like to think that manufactures would hold your content in high regard. Considering most of the top brands offer a slightly different selection of Products. And knowing the nuances enables people to be truly happy with the selection. I.e. I picked up a particular brand as I believed it was better for my needs ware as my friends selected Something completely different , both based on your reviews. It may be worth you creating a small questionnaire and asking people who have benefited and gone on to purchase a televisions through watching your videos to fill this out . this would hopefully show a balanced selection and prove to manufacturers that there is no bias but rather a lot of happily informed people making informed purchases. I think your channel is unique in giving those who are very interested in the technology of these new sets the benefit of your knowledge. Keep up the great work . Thank you , always Happy to support 😎👍🏽
Mr Vincent nice to see you again If anyone buys a TV and they have problems they will just send it back and they will not buy again from that company, Your reviews help people understand the highs and lows of different makes and models so they should be thanking you for pointing issues out for them seeing there staff are just not aware of these problems or just dont want to fix issues and hope noone will see them .
I appreciate your efforts and im shure so do all your viewers , you good man Thumbs Up.
Your reviews are the golden standard.
People follow you and respect your thorough analysis and opinions for a reason. You're a trustworthy source and you get to the heart of the matter, and you champion a cause for people when issues inevitably occur. It's up to the manufacturers to own those issues, and having someone as well respected as yourself to champion those issues is a real boon to us little people.
Please retain your values, don't sell out like so many obviously have. Journalistic integrity counts for a lot. What we need is for manufacturers to take you more seriously, and for other journalists be less easily won over and/or sweet-talked into papering over certain negatives. Or in other words, you're setting a much higher standard and everybody else needs to lift their game!
If you're getting shut out by any manufacturers in particular, perhaps consider naming and shaming! Risky? probably.. but you'll have our support - and maybe that's enough!
Love the channel and always appericate Vincent humor, honest opinions and knowledge .
Great video vince , your knowledge and honesty on this channel is unmatched !!!! Hopefully if we keep watching and sharing your videos it'll force these companies to fix these issues !!!
The TV companies should know that if you haven't reviewed it, a lot of us aren't going to risk buying it. And if they don't think their products are up to being reviewed by you, that's a bad sign to us. Obviously only a few people feel that way vs their customer base, but it's a growing number, and the people who watch your videos are also the types of people advising others what to buy. Also, companies should now that what matters more is that they FIX problems, not whether problems exist; they always exist. I bought an LG OLED after watching your video about a problem with it, because you said LG had acknowledged the issue (a good sign in itself) and were working on a fix, and I could see they had fixed issues in the past. Sure enough, they fixed it, and I'm happy. Good companies should want to work with you to help get problems solved, as a reliable interface to the community, who can collate and verify issues coming from their end users. They should be paying you for that really!
Thanks Vincent. Please stay true to yourself and tell us how it really is.
It’s great when people like yourself don’t sugarcoat everything.
One day I’ll book a calibration when I finally buy my OLED :)
Pointing issues out in a professional and reproducible manner is the BEST way to get those fixed.
No matter what, every piece of software and hardware is affected by issues. Hopefully most of those are not hardware wrong design and can be fixed through software and firmware update.
Sony, LG, Panasonic and all the other manufacturers out there should give you free samples. Improving their products and showing the brand transparency that allows you to perform the validation and the report will only improve the product quality and the brand customer confidence!
Ni hao Vincent. As a professional photographer I regard your work as the pinnacle of professional calibration. In reply to your question on the future of your reviews and cross comparisons of new visual wizardry, my reply is this. Stay firm to your chosen path and portray the reality of the visual display medium with pride. Social compliance is a dangerous master. The world has quiet enough puppets. A strong statement I know. You are a perfectionist that displays passion and morality at the forefront of your work. Do not let the underhand and insecure attitude of the muppets from marketing, degrade your core values. Take pride in this: When international companies hide from you, play their games, and resist critic, then the closer you are to the truth, the truth that the public yearns for. You are our eyes and ears, you unravel the discombobulating marketing hype. Vincent, your honesty is a vastly undervalued commodity in our society. It is the language of the almost extinct, lone wolf.
* I am there waiting, watching keeping to the shadows. But when you need me I will step out of the shadows and protect what is mine.*
(unknown author)
Be the professional that you are, rather than an unpaid, porn of the media machine. We the nurds of the world unit and through our unruffled feathers we move society forwards.
P.P.
Vincent, I've never commented on a youtube channel but after watching your video I'd like you to know I watch all your content because it's very interesting, knowledgeable, honest and funny. I'll admit, I'm on my lunch break here at work and I LMFAO when "Sally" said to go f*** yourself. My coworkers just gave me weird look. Anyway, I'm not too familiar with how youtube commissions work, but perhaps allowing a couple of ads to play during your content may help you financially, especially as your channel grows? If I have to sit through a few ads to support your channel then I'm all for it. I wish I had a better solution for you man but just know I appreciate your honest reviews and look forward to more of them in the future.
Keep doing the Lord's work, Vincent. I wish I could get a Panasonic OLED calibrated by someone like yourself in the U.S. !!!
Vincent is the ONLY trustworthy source for TV reviews.
Keep up the great work Vincent. You are the go to man when it comes to HDTV's. Don't change one bit.
I just subscribed! Please don't change the way you review!
I brought my sony kd65x9300e based on your review and the technical review of the television. The technical details made it so much easier for me to choose the correct television for me based on Facts not marketing PR. Keep up the honest reviews from a technical aspect as for people like me it is a better way to buy products as you Truly know what you are getting for your money. I spent alot of time doing research before I brought it and your reviews were bang on the money
Thanks for the excellent video. It's especially great how you have managed to capture the video and show this flashing problem side-by-side. I loved my C8, 4K HDR Blu-rays were incredible, though by day 9 of ownership is when this flashing issue became apparent in SDR content. As I was in the return window I just decided it best to do so, and get my money back. What would you recommend, Vincent? I ultimately narrowed my choice down to the C8 and FZ802 due to gaming input lag, and leaned towards LG due to 4x FB HDMIs and Dolby Vision. Would you recommend the FZ802 still, is it best to wait a bit longer and see if LG can address this flashing issue?
Hi Vincent, thank you for your reviews, you're a genuine person!
I noticed flashing , watching Mamma Mia 2 HDR , it was a white flash , I went back to the scene where it happened,it didn't flash second time
i would really appreciate a in depth comparison between the af8 and the lg c8 i got the af8 i am happy with it but i constantly worry that i would have gotten a better picture with the c8 due to the dim issue everyone mentions, one thing i can say is that my sony xperia xz1 has more vibrant colors than my sony oled, white is so much better on my xz1, and i have my xz1 set to super vivid mode with blue turned up all the way to 171, no matter how much i change settings on my sony oled i can't get as bright vibrant colors especially as bright perfect white.
+taltigolt We have done an AF8 vs C8 comparison here: ruclips.net/video/c-JJKg1Q_Yk/видео.html
The dimming is done by Sony to make your OLED less prone to burn-in and for your display to last longer. LG's OLED, do to their brightness, seemed plagued with burn in. You notice rarely hear or read people complaining about burn-in on Sony OLED's.
Summary: You are a professional TV calibrator.
and Reviewer.
You are the most honest reviewer. Please stay this way. I understand marketing, and how it can be an issue regarding ur channel. Bug if u start a patreon. I will donate to you.
Vincent, I thoroughly enjoy your independent reviews and I have turned my friends onto your channel because of them.
I understand your situation and I wish I could help.
However, it would be a shame if you weren't able to conduct your reviews in the current fashion. I wish you well and be assured I will continue to follow your excellent work.
Thx.
Excellent analysis as always Vincent, I really admire you for your work, your integrity and your objectivity in reviews (and also for your humor! Ahahah!). Hold on and don't change your style, even if I can understand it is very expensive to review a TV without the possibility to have a sample from the manufacturer.
I love your videos. You are very knowledgeable and I LOVE your humor. Sorry I don't have any suggestions...I really want you to continue the same way you do.
Thank you so much for this Vincent ! I have to say my Philips is also affected. does it mean all Oled Philips are affected to?
Thanks Vincent, excellent as always. Both my wife and I have noticed this while watching Daredevil in a pitch black room and it is very annoying.
You are one of a kind in your honest, detailed & scientific reviews. I wish you could review all the tech toys I buy in the same manner. I’m definitely willing to support you when you come up with a solution. In a world controlled by marketing fluff and curtains we need to support the true and honest. If we all gave just $1-$5 an episode that should take care of it. Sign me up. Thank you for your knowledge and expertise.
Plasmas also struggle to go from black to near-black. That's why they use dithering patterns.
Hi Vincent, I think your reviews and tests add a lot of value. Maybe you could offer to beta test new models or make an agrement that when you find an issue you notify the manufacturer and give them the opportunity to correct the issue or respond before you put the video up. I recently brought by Q9FN back to the story because the local dimming on that TV as some flaws and the brightening of the picture when watching 4K content with subs really put me off. As a substitude I got the Sony AF9 and could not be happier with the picture quality, if only the remote was somewhat nicer...
All in all, keep doing what you are doing and maybe involve the manufacturers in some more.
Hey Vincent, I have a flickering screen issue on the left side of the screen with my C8 55 inch. Most noticable in the grey home screen from RUclips. I've also read on Reddit that I'm not the only one.
great video! on a separate question is an x900f panel with corner vignetting acceptable or should it be returned
I think they call it a plus or minus to and a grading of each panel. Consumers often get standard or substandard panels. Reference panels are sent out to broadcast or production.
I bought a 77”C8 this week. Yesterday it downloaded its latest firmware update, do you know if this problem of Gal Gadot has been addressed and corrected yet Vincent?... thanks for the videos they are very informative and make me chuckle 😂
You mean that problem is gone?
Great video as usual Vince, one question though what was going on with close ups showing your face?
Is it something new you are trying,?🤔
I'd say it will come to a point when they cannot ignore you. Keep doing what you're doing and let's see them ignore you when you have a million subs.
@HDTVTest There is another issue with the TV (B8 here) where when using a networkcable you can't cast to the TV, as this only works via WiFi. Yet if you both enable cable and WiFi at the same time, the TV will disable WiFi over time to save energy. Again disabling your ability to cast to the TV.
I was about to buy B8 65inch... So is it possible a fermware update can fix this issue? Lol at your phone call skit at the end.
Best reviews by far on the internet...thankyou
I really appreciate your honesty and the integrity of your review. You should not change your style just to satisfy big companies. Stay true to yourself!
By the way, I need an opinion.
I'm from Brazil, and I've bought a LG OLED55B7P in October, and it's working fine.
Then, I've bought a LG OLED55B8SSC in November, but, as soon as I turned it on, I've noticed a dark spot on the screen who is only visible when it's showing grey color on the screen. It was located on the right side and on the down corner of the screen (it can be seen when I open the Amazon Prime Video app or when I'm scrolling through the RUclips app. It can't be seen when playing videos.)
I've returned the TV to the website where I bought it and they've sent me a brand new one. But, this time, when I turned it on, I've seen 4 dark spot on the screen. They're located on the left side of the screen, on the down corner.
When I try to record the screen to capture the issue on my smartphone, I can see the screen emiting some light flashes near these dots. I've contacted the website again and asked them to change the TV again.
The weird thing is that I've tested this issue on the LG OLED55B7P and there's no dark spot. The B7P is perfect, the issue is only visible on the B8SSC.
What's your opinion about this issue? Is it normal? Should I be worried about it? Should I cancel my order and get another brand? (Sony 55A8F or Samsung 55Q7F)
Thank you so much for your review!!! Keep doing this great job!
Hi Vincent,
Since we’re on the topic of LG OLED’s.. With my older C6, should I choose ‘Wide’ colour gamut when on HDR10 or ‘Extended’, or just ‘Normal’?? Plus, in Dolby Vision, is it preferrable to use a colour temperature of Warm 2 or Warm 3? Thanks!
FWIW, just continue what you do best. Get into the nittygritty when it comes to PQ. I think Crampton and Moore and others would still provide the TV’s/Projectors that most manufacturers won’t provide directly.
I had a C6, choose normal, because its like auto mode, when u choose normal the tv switches automatically to the right color gamut. choose the color temperatur that u like the most, I use warm1.
it doesn't matter. It will detect proper gamut. If you have it at normal now, leave it at that. If it is set to wide leave it at that. If you do change it while watching, you will need to stop what you are watching. Turn off player and tv, and then turn both back on. Then it will detect proper gamut again. IOW, don't mess with the color gamut.
Thanks.. I just got a UHD BD Player with DV that’s why I asked.. I will stick with Normal colour gamut. I noticed that that skin tones look unnatural with Wide on HDR10.. While Warm 3 on either HDR 10 or DV looks too dark and kills any effect HDR has.. So I’m sticking with Warm 2 so it’s not too blue in hue.
@@rickg8015 yes, I noticed the same things.
The lack of sugarcoating on your reviews is much appreciated and main reason most of us ignore the other review sites while we wait for your analysis. Them getting the early scoop on some models is worthless when we can't trust their reviews. Regarding the funding dilemma of your channel, have you considered going back to also offering a written version of all your reviews? You can add more advertisers (and affiliate links for purchase) there and written articles are also much more convenient for quickly looking up measurements compared to scouring through hours of youtube videos. Seems to work for rtings business model. The statistics regarding number of users willing to pay for this kind of content is really depressing. With 100K subscribers donating just a single $1, would be enough to cover the costs of buying most of the flagship TVs worth reviewing each year. Maybe raffle off the TVs after review as an additional incentive for those supporting the channel?
This is amazing work vincent.
Hi Vincent, I appreciate your work here and your particular style is what we all need. I think you should maybe move to a format where you review a set only when you receive enough donation money from your viewers, that would also work as a voting mechanism. Once the funds are there you can buy the TV and review it, then do a giveaway targeting all the people who have donated. I guess Kickstarter would be a good platform for this kind of model, or you could implement Kickstarter features in your website. Obviously you need to reach even more ppl to make such a model work in a timely manner, just my two cents. Wish you a happy New year!
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My LG E6 flicker a lot lately but it's not on dark scenes just normal. The screens flicker darker on bright colors. I think it wasn't as bad as it is now. I'm watching House Of Cards on Netflix and screen flicker like crazy. What can we do? Does warranty cover it?
Thanks, on second b8 after returning the first - less of an issue in some scenes but still see it in alot of content. Do you think it's fixable with a firmware update?
I have the same problem on a 65 CX production date 2021.
I've mentioned this numerous times on your videos, highlighting haunting of hill house as the example to see it most.
Recent firmware has helped.
Netflix seems to be problematic as I've had 0 issues with discs.
Anyways good work Vincent.
Vincent let me relay opinion on your independent reviews. Keep doing this. Do not request or require review samples. This is your unique positioning as a reviewer.
Hi Vincent, I like your review style, thank you for your honesty, these TV companies should fix any known problem before they put their product on the market. regards Gary
I'm not too familiar with the tv calibrating business. If it's busy enough maybe offer a free calibration for a specific model to do a video on? I don't watch other tv reviewers. I enjoy the in depth analysis and I'd have to say when looking to make a purchase decision I'm willing to make a sacrifice because I don't expect any tv to be perfect across the board. Honesty and thoroughness is more beneficial than a glowing review that leaves me with buyer's remorse down the line.
Thanks for your honesty Vincent.
Great video Vincent, as usual. You might want to skip the second camera angle, unless you time it so you're actually looking at B camera when B camera footage is on.
This is absolutely nothing compared to what's seen on the LG CX. The overshoot is horrible & happens with multiple gradients above black.
Same with my Lg Cx 55! Did you find solution of this problem?
@@DragonMay yep returning it then buying a C1 😬
Thank you so much for explanation on these issue,.. I was seeing I though it was just my self.. my wife did not notice but when I said to her she start to see it.. already start the conversations to give back the tv and get back my money let’s see how it’s gonna end... I will be able to show the problem to engineer from lg that will show up.... thank u once again. My question is do you think these issue can be fix by a firmware update or is a problem from the panels...?
Hello did u fix the problem or is switching a new panel a only solution
Think we will see an update for this issue, I believe that this is the only problem with OLED TV's currently.
Plus burn in and 24p stutter, otherwise perfect.
@@drummerdude100 for the 24 frame stutter I use cinema setting. I can't remember what its called, but it smooths everything out.
Yeah, I noticed flaws in The Arrival in UHD through Amazon on my C8. Happened a couple of times when fading to black. Honestly the whole movie isn’t what I would call reference quality. I watched The Revenant HDR10 Bluray the other night in the dark and didn’t see anything problematic for my normal viewing distance. I wish all Blu-ray transfers looked that pristine.
Your review style is great. Keep it the way it is. They only solution I can think of is to buy a tv from the store, review it, and return it within the thirty day period where you can get your money back, haha! I'm sure your have thought of that and I don't think it would work...
Merry Christmas and happy new year btw.
So much we learn from you. Thank you. You are the best.
Undisputed greatest comedian on RUclips.