Thanks man! I'm torn.. I like the small community of followers I have now, and I feel really lucky that you guys keep coming back for more. Getting bigger is the goal, but I really like where I'm at.
Ugh... This is precisely why I love my 2017 SR. No fuss, just fun. I’m 63 but I’ve been riding since I was 11 and I like speed (within reason). Ha ha, your wife should be worried, you got yourself a high maintenance Italian girlfriend.
I love my 17 DSR also. I miss long riding days, anything more than 50 miles out. If Zero could figure out DCFC, I'd stay Zero. Until that happens, I'm moving on.
🤣 I was rolling at 3:46. And the constant warnings about wearing gloves. You should be proud! You made an oil change video WAY more fun than it has any right to be.
Hahhaha thanks bro! Glad you laughed at it 😁 Have you seen the German Forklift Safety Video? It's one of those things where they could have easily made a dry explanation of the rules, but they did something so ridiculous and entertaining instead. Mine wasn't quite so extreme 😂 but glad you had fun watching it.
@@NewZeroland since I had my fairings off anyways, I did notice that the coolant for the electronics was very low, the reservoir was bone dry, I wonder if that had an effect on performance. Thankfully filling it is just like doing a custom water cooling loop in my computer: fill reservoir, turn on bike to run the pump, turn off power, let air out in the screw on the inverter and repeat until no air comes out.
@@NewZeroland not that I know of, but it was probably filled up to just below the reservoir, but still had enough to flow some coolant around since the pump is down low. Atleast it's topped off now
Those aren't what I'd call crush washers (the ones on spark plugs are crush washers). They're annealed copper seal washers. They should be soft enough to conform to the sealing surfaces and create a good seal (new ones sometimes aren't). Look up annealing copper (ignore the NEED to quench, they'll anneal just as well without it) and keep re-using them as long as they look good. As for gaskets, do you have a local makerspace? I've made quite a few gaskets by scanning the part needing one and lasercutting gasket material.
Yeah good point about the washers. Really I could have reused them but just wanted to follow along with the parts guy's guidelines. I reused the gasket though.. it still looked perfect. I have enough gaskets to do the service until 40k, but not enough good weather to do 40k!
It wasn't too bad in the end. It took me hours but now that I know how to do it, I could probably do it in 30 min. The next service requires a coolant flush though, so it might be a bit trickier.
If you can't get your hands on new crush washers you can anneal the old copper ones by heating them with a torch to red hot and then dropping them in water. This will resoften them and allow them to work properly.
Crush washers I'll reuse to the end of time. But you seem to have plenty. Also I bet if you get the oil analyzed for wear after 10k km you'll find it has tons of life left. The duty cycle on an electric motorcycle is pretty light. Not serious heat or loads to break down the oil, I bet it would last 100k km.
Great point, Greg! Was just thinking about Tesla's sealed system and how this really shouldn't need much maintenance. They probably wanted an excuse to get people into the shop to upgrade the firmware.
@@GregHassler I've been wondering this too, as the other Energica owner over here...I did my service as well, but I feel like I really won't need to for ages. I might do it again at 11000kms (faster on the Eva, less panels), but if it's looking sparkling, I'll go 15 or even 20k kms b4 going at it again. Cheap and easy to do, but why bother if you don't need to?!
Hi Newzeroland, this is the old dude from Idaho who’s nearest Zero dealer is 414.1 km. I talked to the salesman and put some earnest money on it. So I’m going to pick it up in the next few days. Sort of surprised that you got an Energica over the Lightning. You seemed pretty stoked after your test ride. I think I’m gonna go with the FX. I want light weight and off road capability. Gotta be able to walk the dog.
Nice!! Those are sweet bikes. You'll be pulling wheelies everywhere haha. I actually bought the Energica before test riding the Lightning. I wanted something that had DC charging while I waited, and I'm still waiting for Lightning, so I'll have fun with this thing in the meantime. Enjoy the FX! I'm jealous :D
Nissan didn't think effective active cooling or serious fast DC charging were necessary for the Leaf. They had their day, but they'll just be a footnote if they don't get with the program. Ditto for Zero. Being first gets you a head start, but when everybody else catches up because you stopped innovating after the first iteration they have the momentum and you've got squat. I love my Zero, but it's highly unlikely I will ever buy another unless they wake up and get with the program. DC fast charging and effective thermal management are non-negotiable.
Well said as usual, Mark! As you saw in this video, the Energica really isn't much faster than the Zero.. especially around tight twisty roads where the weight makes it harder to handle. The components are way higher quality though, and DC charging really is a game-changer. I rode 450km on Sunday, and aside from a sore bum, it felt "easy".
@@NewZeroland I'm looking forward to trying some road tripping on my charging-upgraded Zero, but that's going to be a while. Pandemic issues aside, I have some other things going on at the moment that won't be resolved for several weeks. But it will happen.
@@awo1fman Looking forward to hearing how it goes! What's the furthest you've ridden in a day so far? I have a feeling you'll double it immediately with those chargers!
False, no fluids on EV please, Zero is fine as it is. Therminal management is existing also on a Zero, so no harm to the Zero bike, it will just turn down performance in 1% of the time you use the bike.
@@dennisnl7125 I've overheated my Zero on twisty roads riding up hill. I've also overheated it on the highway. The new ones are better, but they still overheat if ridden hard. I like that they're air-cooled / no maintenance, but there are situations where liquid-cooling is great to have.
Just watched this video again before I did my first energica oil change. Very helpful. Thank you. Also, the Ribelle is much easier than the ego. As I am writing this, I'm running my only 2 gas engines to warm up the oil for their oil change. Both are Victorys. I'm starting to have disdain for them...
@@NewZeroland I have about 600 miles on the ribelle. The main reason I'm keeping the gas bikes is if I want to take a ride more than 125 miles. DC fast charging is almost non existent around where I live. And I've tried twice at the only one in my city and couldn't get it to work either time.
@@CRPerformance1 aw maaaan.. that's such a bummer. Does that DC station work with other EVs? If so, there might be a charging problem with your bike. It's not uncommon for the charging port lock to malfunction, so the station can't start the charge.
@@NewZeroland no idea if the sole DC fast charger works with other cars. It won't work with my Teslas. Can't fast charge with an adapter. It's at a Chevy/Ford dealership and it's free to use. If it works. I confirmed a click when I plug in and cannot pull the cord out unless I press a button. I might ask some questions next spring to see what's going on. And if they even want me using it.
@@NewZeroland yes, chain is most efficient for power transfer, which is important on a pedal bike as your putting in 100-150 equivalent watts of power to rear wheel. But on a electric motorcycle with ridiculous power, efficiency (it's only a few percentage difference between them) matters a lot less. I think that showed when the zero kept up with you in another video. weight is a factor though, shaft is pretty heavy compared to chain, guess that's why zero went with belt.
Left hand 👈🏼 Service, right hand 👉🏼 hold the cam for vloging. You are genious 😉. By the way, no ad. But the energica rear stand does it way easyer. Can do it by your own.
@@NewZerolandHehe yea im at the limit with vloging only.. tried to do a tire change vid 3 times but failed at the end. normaly it took me 2h but with a cam i need the whole day. I will do some swag and tools and parts when i hit 1000 subs... but patience pays out the most times ;)
Subbed and rang the bell haha first time I ever did that. you didn't have to 10 years ago when I started.... anyway like your stuff can't wait to see more
Interesting..I'm glad you did it yourself because the dealership would have charged an arm and leg for that maintenance..I guess that's one up for the Zero....but I'm enegica could have made the gear box permanently sealed without ever needing to change the fluid.....but they choose to earn maintainance money off their electrics too. From a business perspective.....pretty smart
Good point.. Tesla drive units are sealed, right? I wonder why these couldn't be. It wasn't too bad in the end. Now that I know how to do it, it would probably only take 20 min... I heard the dealer charges $250 but don't quote me. Not terrible since that includes the replacement parts and fluid.
@@NewZeroland and I'm thinking you could get away with going over the specified 1000 kilometer fluid. Next time look at the consistency of the fluid you change out compared with the new fluid to see if another 10o kilo or so.
@@rogerrabbit7469 yeah I went to about 1200km's before changing the fluid actually.. I'm glad I did, just so that human flesh wasn't getting into the gears, but I know what you mean. It's probably not as necessary as a gas bike.
Just got my 2018 Zero S and loving it so far. I honestly think Zero went with their design intentionally for simplicity for low maintenance. Watching you do the oil change made me consider two things. 1: Zero can reach a wider audience as they appeal to new and long time riders and many riders like car owners dont always do their own maintenance. 2: In the long run you will also have to do something similar for your liquid cooling which I imagine will be more complicated. Overall Energica while commend them for their better in some ways design choice it requires more maintenace overall. I think the real difference is who both companies are trying to appeal to.
I totally agree. Zeros are the easiest way to get into motorcycling. They're easy to learn how to ride AND don't need much maintenance at all. You made a great choice with your S. I think Energicas appeal to sportbike enthusiasts who've already owned gas bikes in the past and want a similar level of engagement. Both are great in their own ways, and I still love my Zero :)
@@NewZeroland Look forward to more videos on your Energica. Dont forget to throw in a Zero video soon while your having too much fun on your Energica 😜.
About the drag race... at these levels of torque its more traction and not looping it over that are the main factors, from a stop. Adding even more torque at these levels doesnt help much...at those speeds. Try a roll on at 80mph and the Zero will get smashed I predict. I actually prefer the relative simplicity of the zero, particularly after a lifetime of swapping chain and sprocket sets. Ive been commuting on bikes for almost 40 years. I have my SRS and my previous gas bike too.
Neither of these bikes will do a wheelie haha, but I know what you mean. The Zero is so much lighter that it's able to get off the line just as quickly. At higher speeds the Energica would pull away, but those speeds aren't legal anywhere.
Hey, I discovered your channel very recently and I find your videos really interesting. I think this is one of your coolest videos because it's really informative. I'm a college student in California and I don't have any vehicles except for a cheap electric bicycle, and I've been saving up to buy an electric motorcycle. It's really the dream, and I really appreciate you taking the time to make these videos. Kudos! =)
Hey, thanks for watching! Really these are just electric bicycles with a bit more power :D There are a bunch of used Zeros out there now if you're looking for a cheap way of getting into motorcycles. Thanks again and good luck!
@@NewZeroland Thanks for the advice! In your opinion, if I've never owned a motorcycle before, would you recommend I get a used Zero, or should I just keep saving and pull the trigger on an Energica? I've mulled over it but I don't think I've got the wisdom to make a smart choice. I feel like the Energica is better engineered for longevity, considering the liquid cooled powertrain and larger battery, but I don't know if it's wise to get such a heavy (and not to mention powerful) bike as my first. I do plan on riding what I buy for a long time, and I have some experience with getting my hands dirty with motors and stuff, so I'm not too fazed by the prospect of owning and maintaining an Energica, but, what do I know lol. On the other hand, a used Zero is cheaper, something I can build up experience with, and is a local brand, which might mean better support if something breaks down. But, I'm inevitably going to upgrade to something else when I get out of uni. I also worry that a Zero won't get me from Santa Cruz to San Jose without using up more than 60% of the battery, even more so for a used battery, and being able to do that stretch is pretty important to me.
@@LynnXternal Santa Cruz to San Jose is only ~35 ish miles one-way so a Zero would be perfect for that. Energicas don't have as much range (unless you get a new one, which would be ~$20k) and they're heavy, like you said. All Electric bikes are easy to ride for beginners, especially with the different modes, but I'd suggest getting a used Zero. It's common to find them for under $10k, and you don't have to worry about the battery. My 2015 SR still has the same range as it did when I bought it :D
@@NewZeroland Thank you for the feedback. I can't argue with that reasoning, so I guess I'm gonna buy a secondhand SR later this year! Although I'm still gonna be drooling at the Energica lol. That Ego is my dream bike as of right now, maybe the Lightning Strike carbon edition if that ever becomes a thing.
@@LynnXternal haha no prob! Lightning is in San Jose if you want to give them a visit. Then again, Zero is in Scott's Valley, so you could take a tour there too! I really feel like a 2017 Zero SR would be your best bet (that's when they got more power haha).
Right?? I was surprised, too. Really surprised. I'm guessing it has to do with the weight and the ramping-up-powerband that's programmed into it. Glad ya liked it though!
I guess your channel will be focused mostly on Energica now, but will you continue to follow the electric motorcycle field in general? I saw an article on an interesting Italian prototype called the Emula. Apparently it can simulate the sound, vibration, and torque curves of ICE bikes and it has a gearshift "command" lever and clutch lever that simulate the feedback as if there was a clutch and gearbox. Also has a "boring" mode which is just twist and go like existing electric bikes. Sounds both silly and interesting at the same time. It seems we're in a time when a lot of innovation is happening since no one knows how to make the most fun electric bike yet.
Yeah that's a good idea. I'll try and stay up to date on what's out there. Most people seem to have their money on Damon being the industry game-changer, but I'm still skeptical of their claims. That Emula you described sounds horrible.. every part of that sounds bad hahaha. I'd leave it in "boring" mode 100% of the time.
Good vid First video of the Ego and its about the oil change. Haha nice one. It may not be the easiest to do, though you don't need to do it quite so often so combine it with a cleaning and nursing of the bike, and you won't feel the annoyance. As for the acceleration all electric are mostly the same. its more of a software problem not to have it so fast. and for the EGO I do feel they should allow it for faster acceleration as it is a sportsbike. but maybe they have and the weight is a problem here ... Though still it IS better than the zero as it can keep doing it. Keep them video's coming 😊
Thanks again! Yeah the last video was just a short first impression ride. I'll do something longer soon. The acceleration is definitely programming. There's a ramp-up power curve that I can't seem to get around.. but then the Zero gets to it's top speed, the Energica is just getting started 😂
Enjoy the bike! I am appalled at the need for taking off the cover to clean the filter, which of course necessitates the gasket change, and surprised that you say the Ego and Zero are so closely matched performance-wise. I wish I had access to DC charging stations in the Eastern US--we have opposite situations as far as infrastructure is concerned (the one station closest to me charges a ridiculous $18/hour but of course I can't go over 1C and need the full battery's range, yet all the AC is free and available at anyone's home). Also, some race Zeros have a waterjacket installed for cooling..
Thanks man! Yeah it's kinda ridiculous, but I think the next time should only take like 20 min. The most time consuming part was taking off the fairings. I was as shocked about the acceleration as you! Real world launching power to weight is really close. Free charging is a huge deal. Most AC charging here is free too, but it isn't in the greatest locations, and the speed is too slow, so that was the deciding factor for the Energica. I still think Zeros are the best choice for most people though.
@@Newspeak. None that work, they've sat unused for two years since installation (and have listed prices of $18/hr--sorry small batteries!). Also it's a complete pity that EA doesn't offer at least *one* of the more ubiquitous AC receptacles at each location. Must be trying to cut their losses and only support their own EVs.
I think many people realize that electric bikes are out. I also feel like many people at least in first world countries don't really want them. A bike in a first world country is traditionally a toy, not something you NEED. That being said electric powered vehicles lack the soul more less, none of the sounds, the powerband feeling, the vibrations etc etc. While still very cool and I respect anything with an engine/motor, I understand why atleast here in North America they aren't desirable for the most part. Very cool bike though nonetheless and good job on the video!
Nope, the majority of bikers don't know about Energicas. Even if they've heard of MotoE, they might not realize these are production motorcycles that you can buy. Some aren't interested in electric, but most have never ridden one so they have no idea what they're like. I understand the "soul" argument, but what replaces the sound and vibration is an insane amount of torque that comes on instantly, with the smoothest, most controlable throttle you can imagine.
To be fair. The 2016 and later model zeros don’t seem to have overheating issues. I do a gazillion drag runs back to back in my 16 DSR with no degradation in power or overheating in 75 degree F temps.
They're better, but still overheat if you hit the race track. Even the SR/F can only do a few laps at full speed.. but then the maintenance is basically non-existent, so Zeros are still awesome.
NewZeroland Got yah. Pulling power due to heat definitely sucks big time. I had issues like that with a supercharged AMG car and eventually sold it due to inconsistent power levels at the track. My Nissan GT-R could hot lap all day consistently. After getting my Zero I don’t think I could go back to a gas bike. It’s so much fun to ride. Where are you from originally? Props for living your best life dude.
@@Tothefloor thanks! I'm from California and have been living in NZ for about 7 years now. I guess I'll have to talk about that in a video sometime. I feel ya on the Zero.. I still love mine, and after racing against it and finding out the Energica really isn't much faster, I have way more respect for Zero. As a daily commuter / twisty road attacker / Ducati slayer at the lights, the Zero is amazing.
The Zero isn't for circuit riding, the Energica is. 99% of people use a bike in public, not on a race track. Zero has no heat issues. (2017DSR commuting highway 170km a day)
@@dennisnl7125 Hey I agree, Zeros are awesome. But they do overheat, and they can't do long road trips as easily as DC fast charging bikes. The components and built-quality isn't anywhere near Energica, either. It's that last 10% of things that I wanted from an electric bike.
Shout out to TSS ! Use a beer box gasket next time. You got crush washers from Italy? Sprint in the Wairarapa in October buddy so you can test out that top speed and quarter mile times
So you think the Brammo is stupid, because it has a multispeed transmission? The Rimac Concept2, made me want to have a drag-racing transmission on my centerdrive bikes. Dramatically different, but few gear sets, so I can move easily, with low amps, when commuting, and have a higher top speed, with shifting gears, instead of just relying on high voltage, and whatever the safe max rpm of the motor is. Having a single gearset, means you have to choose, between acceleration, with ease of movement, concentrated torque, but you can't go that fast, or, choose a gearset more for top speed, diluted torque for wheel RPMs but you use a lot of energy, and create a lot of heat, just to get moving, on top of being sluggish. I believe, being able to shift, between widely spaced gear ratios, is the best option for electric motors. Just like a strong, under-square engine.
Thanks for the insight, and I'm sorry if I offended you, but I only see 2 reasons why Brammo used a gearbox: to make something gas bikers could relate to, and to get away with using a lower-power motor. You'll notice their race bikes were direct-drive and had way more power. Once you get these things moving, especially the aerodynamic Ego, the energy needed to keep them moving isn't very much. I'll admit that a 2-speed gearbox might be cool to have, but a 6-speed is overkill, and Brammos were clunky. I just see it as something else that can break.
@@NewZeroland I understand. I just want to build the fastest & quickest electric road bike, I can build. And even with Ultra-Capacitors & high-C-rated-batteries working together, I don't want to overstress my systems, just for me to go faster then 300kph, and repeatedly launch from dead stops and slow corners. And I agree, for electric motors, a 6-speed is excessive, especially if the ratios are too close together. ---- Oh, if you ever build your own electric motorcycle. One thing I found out is, just like with high revving low torque engines, and low-revving high-torque engines. If you want to build a sporty electric bike, then you'll need to build a battery pack, with enough batteries in series, to have the highest voltage possible, but still have enough batteries in parallel, for decent range capacity, and enough combined C-ratings, so you loose less energy to heat, from the internal battery resistance. You can use a programmable controller or a Cycle-Analyst, to limit the current, to prevent battery overheating. But, limiting current, also limits torque. Which is why I prefer to have a gearbox, to concentrate the torque I have, for low speeds, steep hills, and drifting. I'm trying to figure out how to implement a boost button, because I haven't found a controller with that feature. Engines have a stable tune, and a Nitrous Oxide boost, when they need it. WE, have stable, safe current limits, but it would be great if we can temporarily access a higher or unlimited current limit, for when we need more power, like when a traffic light is about to turn red, or, we are being passed in a race, final lap, but we have so much energy left and low temperatures. The hybrid I built, has no current limit. As much as I love personal-responsibility and total-control. Ironically, and honestly, it's annoying having to constantly monitor how much current I'm using. And when distracted, I have overwhelmed the generator, many times, made my controller scolding hot, many times, and one time, melted a temporary connector. I wish I had a stable current limit, I didn't have to think about, and a boost-button with temperature-gauge, for situations. But again, I don't know of a 3-phase controller with that feature. ..... I think I'll just wire my throttle, through a Cycle-Analyst, have that limit the current. And have a button, switch on and off Relays, so I can bypass the CA, and have the full, raw throttle signal, go straight to the controller...That should work. Oh, and if you want a powerful EV, the other way, low-voltage, high current. Then, just like muscle-car & diesel engines with their extra metal. For the EV equivalent, you will need thicker cables, and more robust, heavier components, to handle all the current...And because voltage determines top-speed and rate-of-acceleration. Even with this set up, I would recommend a gearbox, to trade that massive amp torque, for more & more speed.
Great video, stuff like torquing up the nuts etc that I would never of thought of. I think electric bikes are the way to go. If car drivers weren't so inconsiderate and didn't drive like idiots over here I'd love to own a bike again. Loved the street footage. I remember Wellington well. So a nice bit of nostalgia thrown in. Still don't know your first name but thanks for an ace video!
Thanks again, Gary! My name's Sam. I'll shoot some more video around Wellington soon.. it seems to be raining for the next 10 years straight, but it won't stop me from taking the bike out 😁
NewZeroland, Taking a look on craigslist and found a dealership selling a 2018 zero S with a charging tank and a 13.3 battery with a little over 1500 miles on it. My question is what do you think a good price for that should be? I live in the US if that makes a difference for the purpose of your advice. Thanks again for the great content. I really appreciate how you get straight to the interesting part and don’t bog the videos down with a bunch of preamble.
Nah, the Energica's motor was just too big to mount in line with the rear sprocket so they used a reduction gear below it. You can't shift gears or anything. The Ninja is using a lower-power motor so shifting gears will help it have usable power, similar to the Brammo/Victory Empulse.
I love the video ride round Wellington south coast. I used to do it often on a Lambretta and a Norton back in the day. But, if you are a cop .. please don't watch this vid.
I recon apart from the 1st change all the others are technically not required. In similar applications there are either lifetime fills or change intervals of 80k-100k km. Just a money making excercise in my opinion, sorry.
Hi, excellent video! Will help with the 1K on my Ribelle :-) Small question: how do you know when to stop filling the motor oil? Just fill it to the top? Is ther ea gauge or something to check?
Super excited to see mag thingy on the plugs. I just spoke with the Energica guy in USA (aka Larry), that called from Ducati, I can't wait to get me an ESSE ESSE ESSE ESSE whatever... 9 We talked about that thing you can do on clutched bikes when you rev and make it go on one wheel. And somehow the Energica phone started not working. If you say it 3 times on the phone, the phone will not work. Only those idiot yanks do that kind of thing anyway.
Cheers! Thanks for watching. I think the torque figures are in the manual, but the Energica parts guy gave me that info so I just went with his guidance.
This makes one think, How well engineered a Tesla car is. Though cars have the luxury of actively cooling battery & Engine because of their size & weight. Every 10000 km sounds like a chore.
Yeah, someone said Teslas have a sealed system, but I've also heard it's recommended to change the coolant every 2 years. At the rate I ride, it might be another 2 years for me 😂
@@NewZeroland Ive worked on cars my whole life. Now that Im of age. I find that not wanting to touch anything. Just want to ride. It is a pretty bike. Very desirable.
@@NewZeroland the hell I know. I've been binge watching your channel lately, and I've heard only one positive thing about the Ego: it's fast. Most videos state instead that it's heavy, uncomfortable, tricky to service and has too short range. 🤷♂️
@@pietrodania8064 haha the old Egos were heavy with low range, but not the new ones. Zeros are totally different. They don't have the range, charging speed, build quality, or customer service to compete with Energica 😂 but they are quieter and more comfortable. It depends what you want to use it for.
How the hell did they manage to turn a 1 minute job into a whole day event? "Italian design" at its finest all right. What an abortion. It reminds me of the Ducatis where the easiest way to fill the oil was to take a valve cover off. (the manual said to remove the engine)
Haha, same with the Porsche Boxter. Oil change means dropping the subframe 😂 Any bike with fairings requires a ton of time to access the drain plug and oil filter, but it woulda been awesome if the motor filler hole was in a better spot.
@@NewZeroland 3 seconds of thought could have put a hole in the fairing under the drain. There's no reason the filler hole couldn't be under the seat. The strainer could be accessed through a plug. Goodness, my Moto Morini 250, designed in the 60's let you access the strainer without dropping the sump. Hell, even my Hyosung GT650R has a panel in the fairing that you can open to give access to the radiator cap. I guess it means a constant sale of gaskets.
@@NewZeroland it's not rocket science. I guess when a bike shop is looking at taking on a dealership (and it's the bike shops that are the actual customer) "6 hours" for an oil change looks pretty appealing. Particularly as you can get the apprentice to do it for 8 bucks an hour and charge workshop fees of 150 per hour. Which of course is the root reason why changing the oil in any vehicle is any harder than filling it with fuel. There's zero real reason why changing the oil should be any harder, or take any longer than fueling. You don't have to crawl under the car and unbolt the fuel tank to fill it. You shouldn't have to crawl under the car and unbolt something to change the oil. But this, this is just taking the piss.
@@NewZeroland I think its probably because the packs were moving around a bit too much in the battery case and the bms/wire got smashed or the bms failed. I was able to get the smoking pack separated from the other before it caught fire and caused a chain reaction with other packs. Doesn't bode well for my 3.4 kwH ebike battery build coming soon... LOL
HAHAHA sorry XD I really wish they would have sold that direct-drive race bike that Victory had for a little bit. It had crazy power and looked really cool!
@@NewZerolandI agree that would have been Awsome!!!!!!!!!!!! since i can afford and ego right now i plan to build my own 150kw race bike and I will be dropping the first ride video tomorrow!!
NewZeroland Thanks for the Sub! I plan to use a very powerful ipm motor called the remey hvh 250 and a hacked inverter from a common hybrid car after I complete testing from the current brushed DC setup.
@@onion24th price and availability.. I explained it a bit in the previous video. I found this Energica before even test riding the Lightning and figured it would be a fun bike to ride while I waited. 6 months later I'm still waiting but still very interested in Lightning.
@@onion24th haha yep, so far so good. I rode it in torrential rain the first few days of ownership and my dash is dry and the charger hasn't died, so I'd say it's more waterproof than the Zero lol
This was my first time so it was a learning experience, but I'd say a good 3-4 hours. Now that I know how to do it, if I wasn't setting up the camera to video the process, it would probably only take 20 min.
I am from India but m very interested in electronic bikes❤️ but till now in india, Either Zero or Energica didn't even started😭 but local brands like Ultraviolett is gonna lunch something waiting eagerly... And dreaming to run past the gas bikers with my electric one... Hoping a like and a reply 👍🙏
Hahaha phew! A few people were upset about that 😂 Maybe they hoped ATF really was the vaccine we've been waiting for. And dude, that Zero SR is an amazing bike. No doubts about it. Shockingly fast.
@@usmcsaxoki thanks bro! Congrats on the new pad 😎 I really liked your housing cost breakdown video. And yeah that Zero is bulletproof. No reason to sell it.. except for a Livewire?! 😂
Hahaha nah, just jokes. I genuinely hope things get sorted out soon over there. 2020 is hitting the US hard. I'd say "come to New Zealand" but the borders are shut pretty tight right now.
I think you left out the part where you perform the sacrifice that resulted in the human flesh, but I understand every vehicle has its downside, best not to focus on it. 😜
Hahaha all good. Sorry if that was offensive. I had a reservation down for an Empulse back in.. 2013? Then they announced the gearbox and I just couldn't do it. They had amazing tech but were swayed to make something "gas bikers could relate to" and it just didn't work. I wish their direct drive race bike made it to production.
@@NewZeroland I'm not offended, because you are right. the gears are not nessecairy but they do enable you to win most of those traffic light races :p. but 3 gears would have been enough imo. Selecting a 6 speed 400cc enduro gearbox because it was available and not being used for the bike that it was intended for was not the best Idea.
@@NewZeroland i mean engineering wise they sud kn that customer hav to get it serviced make it such that u hav to strip whole bike and too many drain plugs n hav to open sump to clean filter does not make sense...
@@abdulrehmanahmedshaik19 these gears are spinning a lot faster than car transmissions (10.5k rpm) so it's good to check. Probably not necessary, but it's a good precaution.
I've gotta get me some of those sweet invisible gloves you were wearing.
Complete with synthetic forearm hair!
It's what happens when you spend every last penny on an Energicaaa XD
I used the same brand condoms...
People commenting before they have time to have watched the video- A sign of consistently good content.
This channel will grow.
Thanks man! I'm torn.. I like the small community of followers I have now, and I feel really lucky that you guys keep coming back for more. Getting bigger is the goal, but I really like where I'm at.
@@NewZeroland If you build it they will come. We will happily support your channel. Hope you make a huge success.
@@Trinitics thanks for the support! 😁💪🔋⚡
Ugh... This is precisely why I love my 2017 SR. No fuss, just fun. I’m 63 but I’ve been riding since I was 11 and I like speed (within reason). Ha ha, your wife should be worried, you got yourself a high maintenance Italian girlfriend.
HAHAHA it's ok. My wife likes that she beat the sexy Italian in a race. The fastest one gets to stay :D
I agree, really appreciate you showing the maintenance but it’s not for me anymore after having the zero. Sweet bike though!
I love my 17 DSR also.
I miss long riding days, anything more than 50 miles out.
If Zero could figure out DCFC, I'd stay Zero. Until that happens, I'm moving on.
This also why I'm glad I have an SR
@@NewZeroland You can buy the Italian. You CANNOT buy a gal like Jenn. ;-)
🤣 I was rolling at 3:46. And the constant warnings about wearing gloves. You should be proud! You made an oil change video WAY more fun than it has any right to be.
Hahhaha thanks bro! Glad you laughed at it 😁 Have you seen the German Forklift Safety Video? It's one of those things where they could have easily made a dry explanation of the rules, but they did something so ridiculous and entertaining instead. Mine wasn't quite so extreme 😂 but glad you had fun watching it.
When you said bike blood I laughed so good
It's aliiive!
@@NewZeroland you put a few ounces of motorcycle blood back into it 🤣
@@250MotoMark @NewZeroland But who was the donor bike? Red MotoCross?
Just used this video to do my oil change, so glad it's here.
Nice! Glad to help :D
@@NewZeroland since I had my fairings off anyways, I did notice that the coolant for the electronics was very low, the reservoir was bone dry, I wonder if that had an effect on performance. Thankfully filling it is just like doing a custom water cooling loop in my computer: fill reservoir, turn on bike to run the pump, turn off power, let air out in the screw on the inverter and repeat until no air comes out.
@@Magic_Toaster whoa weird! Was your water pump making weird noises? If it's low or leaking the pump will whine at you haha.
@@NewZeroland not that I know of, but it was probably filled up to just below the reservoir, but still had enough to flow some coolant around since the pump is down low. Atleast it's topped off now
Those aren't what I'd call crush washers (the ones on spark plugs are crush washers). They're annealed copper seal washers. They should be soft enough to conform to the sealing surfaces and create a good seal (new ones sometimes aren't).
Look up annealing copper (ignore the NEED to quench, they'll anneal just as well without it) and keep re-using them as long as they look good.
As for gaskets, do you have a local makerspace? I've made quite a few gaskets by scanning the part needing one and lasercutting gasket material.
Yeah good point about the washers. Really I could have reused them but just wanted to follow along with the parts guy's guidelines. I reused the gasket though.. it still looked perfect. I have enough gaskets to do the service until 40k, but not enough good weather to do 40k!
Great video! Definitely pros and cons with the Energica for sure. That looks like a lot of work for a service as frequent as every 10k!
It wasn't too bad in the end. It took me hours but now that I know how to do it, I could probably do it in 30 min. The next service requires a coolant flush though, so it might be a bit trickier.
Very cool about the Zero SR performing almost as well as the Ego 😎
Yeah! I was impressed.
If you can't get your hands on new crush washers you can anneal the old copper ones by heating them with a torch to red hot and then dropping them in water. This will resoften them and allow them to work properly.
Whoa, thanks for the tip! That sounds less wasteful than buying new ones every time.
Crush washers I'll reuse to the end of time. But you seem to have plenty.
Also I bet if you get the oil analyzed for wear after 10k km you'll find it has tons of life left. The duty cycle on an electric motorcycle is pretty light. Not serious heat or loads to break down the oil, I bet it would last 100k km.
Great point, Greg! Was just thinking about Tesla's sealed system and how this really shouldn't need much maintenance. They probably wanted an excuse to get people into the shop to upgrade the firmware.
@@NewZeroland I suspect at least some of the maintenance is in the manual to keep dealers happy.
@@GregHassler I've been wondering this too, as the other Energica owner over here...I did my service as well, but I feel like I really won't need to for ages. I might do it again at 11000kms (faster on the Eva, less panels), but if it's looking sparkling, I'll go 15 or even 20k kms b4 going at it again. Cheap and easy to do, but why bother if you don't need to?!
Hi Newzeroland, this is the old dude from Idaho who’s nearest Zero dealer is 414.1 km. I talked to the salesman and put some earnest money on it. So I’m going to pick it up in the next few days. Sort of surprised that you got an Energica over the Lightning. You seemed pretty stoked after your test ride. I think I’m gonna go with the FX. I want light weight and off road capability. Gotta be able to walk the dog.
Nice!! Those are sweet bikes. You'll be pulling wheelies everywhere haha. I actually bought the Energica before test riding the Lightning. I wanted something that had DC charging while I waited, and I'm still waiting for Lightning, so I'll have fun with this thing in the meantime. Enjoy the FX! I'm jealous :D
I saved this video. I'm going to have to change the oil on my energica. Was hoping for less maintenance.
Nice! It's pretty easy if you don't shoot video while you do it haha.
Nissan didn't think effective active cooling or serious fast DC charging were necessary for the Leaf. They had their day, but they'll just be a footnote if they don't get with the program. Ditto for Zero. Being first gets you a head start, but when everybody else catches up because you stopped innovating after the first iteration they have the momentum and you've got squat. I love my Zero, but it's highly unlikely I will ever buy another unless they wake up and get with the program. DC fast charging and effective thermal management are non-negotiable.
Well said as usual, Mark! As you saw in this video, the Energica really isn't much faster than the Zero.. especially around tight twisty roads where the weight makes it harder to handle. The components are way higher quality though, and DC charging really is a game-changer. I rode 450km on Sunday, and aside from a sore bum, it felt "easy".
@@NewZeroland I'm looking forward to trying some road tripping on my charging-upgraded Zero, but that's going to be a while. Pandemic issues aside, I have some other things going on at the moment that won't be resolved for several weeks. But it will happen.
@@awo1fman Looking forward to hearing how it goes! What's the furthest you've ridden in a day so far? I have a feeling you'll double it immediately with those chargers!
False, no fluids on EV please, Zero is fine as it is.
Therminal management is existing also on a Zero, so no harm to the Zero bike, it will just turn down performance in 1% of the time you use the bike.
@@dennisnl7125 I've overheated my Zero on twisty roads riding up hill. I've also overheated it on the highway. The new ones are better, but they still overheat if ridden hard. I like that they're air-cooled / no maintenance, but there are situations where liquid-cooling is great to have.
Love my ZERO SR/S ... no oil, no liquids, no chain .... thanx for the video!
I hear ya man. Simple and clean 😁
Just watched this video again before I did my first energica oil change. Very helpful. Thank you. Also, the Ribelle is much easier than the ego. As I am writing this, I'm running my only 2 gas engines to warm up the oil for their oil change. Both are Victorys. I'm starting to have disdain for them...
Oh man hahaha.. I'm surprised you kept them this long! How many miles do you have on your Ribelle now?
@@NewZeroland I have about 600 miles on the ribelle. The main reason I'm keeping the gas bikes is if I want to take a ride more than 125 miles. DC fast charging is almost non existent around where I live. And I've tried twice at the only one in my city and couldn't get it to work either time.
@@CRPerformance1 aw maaaan.. that's such a bummer. Does that DC station work with other EVs? If so, there might be a charging problem with your bike. It's not uncommon for the charging port lock to malfunction, so the station can't start the charge.
@@NewZeroland no idea if the sole DC fast charger works with other cars. It won't work with my Teslas. Can't fast charge with an adapter. It's at a Chevy/Ford dealership and it's free to use. If it works. I confirmed a click when I plug in and cannot pull the cord out unless I press a button. I might ask some questions next spring to see what's going on. And if they even want me using it.
I love how you make an oil change video so entertaining and funny. But then again I love all your videos.
Awww thanks 😁 that means a lot! I'm glad ya enjoyed it.
They could make with a drive shaft, saw a DIY bike conversion with one and it looked great.
Supposedly chain is the most efficient, even more than a belt.. but a driveshaft would be sweet and a whole lot cleaner.
@@NewZeroland yes, chain is most efficient for power transfer, which is important on a pedal bike as your putting in 100-150 equivalent watts of power to rear wheel. But on a electric motorcycle with ridiculous power, efficiency (it's only a few percentage difference between them) matters a lot less. I think that showed when the zero kept up with you in another video. weight is a factor though, shaft is pretty heavy compared to chain, guess that's why zero went with belt.
I would add to the next oil change video how to remove panels and or any tips or tricks to removing panels.
Lots of time and allen keys 😂
I ended up welding a long pipe onto my paddock stand for my Hayabusa, gives you more leverage and makes this a one person job.
Left hand 👈🏼 Service, right hand 👉🏼 hold the cam for vloging. You are genious 😉. By the way, no ad. But the energica rear stand does it way easyer. Can do it by your own.
Hahaha you know it! 😂 Good point about the Energica stand. I'd love some Energica spools, too. And tshirt and stickers and a huge garage banner lol.
@@NewZerolandHehe yea im at the limit with vloging only.. tried to do a tire change vid 3 times but failed at the end. normaly it took me 2h but with a cam i need the whole day. I will do some swag and tools and parts when i hit 1000 subs... but patience pays out the most times ;)
@@LexSummer niiiice! Dude I want some Lex Summer stickers!! I'll make some newzeroland ones and trade ya 😁
@@NewZeroland We have a deal... stickers for stickers 😎
The oil out looks really clean! I guess because no combustion inside the engine?
Blue thumb for metrics :p
I think you're right 😂
TICK-AH
Thank you for the torque wrench audio
Hahaha it's a great sound 😁👍
I like ur content a lot brotha. Keep goin! Gogogogo
"now give this to the president and tell him it cures corona virus" lol hahahahahahhaha nice
Thanks! 😂 Had to make an oil change entertaining somehow.
Good use for the old fluid suggested there. But tip the 4litre container on it's side when you're pouring so it doesn't "glug"!
Ahh thanks for the tip!
Subbed and rang the bell haha first time I ever did that. you didn't have to 10 years ago when I started.... anyway like your stuff can't wait to see more
Thanks so much!! Get ready for a bunch of fun Energica videos 😁💪🔋⚡
Interesting..I'm glad you did it yourself because the dealership would have charged an arm and leg for that maintenance..I guess that's one up for the Zero....but I'm enegica could have made the gear box permanently sealed without ever needing to change the fluid.....but they choose to earn maintainance money off their electrics too. From a business perspective.....pretty smart
Good point.. Tesla drive units are sealed, right? I wonder why these couldn't be. It wasn't too bad in the end. Now that I know how to do it, it would probably only take 20 min... I heard the dealer charges $250 but don't quote me. Not terrible since that includes the replacement parts and fluid.
@@NewZeroland and I'm thinking you could get away with going over the specified 1000 kilometer fluid. Next time look at the consistency of the fluid you change out compared with the new fluid to see if another 10o kilo or so.
@@rogerrabbit7469 yeah I went to about 1200km's before changing the fluid actually.. I'm glad I did, just so that human flesh wasn't getting into the gears, but I know what you mean. It's probably not as necessary as a gas bike.
Just got my 2018 Zero S and loving it so far. I honestly think Zero went with their design intentionally for simplicity for low maintenance. Watching you do the oil change made me consider two things. 1: Zero can reach a wider audience as they appeal to new and long time riders and many riders like car owners dont always do their own maintenance. 2: In the long run you will also have to do something similar for your liquid cooling which I imagine will be more complicated.
Overall Energica while commend them for their better in some ways design choice it requires more maintenace overall. I think the real difference is who both companies are trying to appeal to.
I totally agree. Zeros are the easiest way to get into motorcycling. They're easy to learn how to ride AND don't need much maintenance at all. You made a great choice with your S. I think Energicas appeal to sportbike enthusiasts who've already owned gas bikes in the past and want a similar level of engagement. Both are great in their own ways, and I still love my Zero :)
@@NewZeroland Look forward to more videos on your Energica. Dont forget to throw in a Zero video soon while your having too much fun on your Energica 😜.
About the drag race... at these levels of torque its more traction and not looping it over that are the main factors, from a stop. Adding even more torque at these levels doesnt help much...at those speeds. Try a roll on at 80mph and the Zero will get smashed I predict.
I actually prefer the relative simplicity of the zero, particularly after a lifetime of swapping chain and sprocket sets. Ive been commuting on bikes for almost 40 years. I have my SRS and my previous gas bike too.
Neither of these bikes will do a wheelie haha, but I know what you mean. The Zero is so much lighter that it's able to get off the line just as quickly. At higher speeds the Energica would pull away, but those speeds aren't legal anywhere.
lol @ censored oil puking out. Such a cool bike!
Haha thanks 😁
You should get a glove sponsorship with all those gloves your using 😁
Hahaha right?
Hey, I discovered your channel very recently and I find your videos really interesting. I think this is one of your coolest videos because it's really informative. I'm a college student in California and I don't have any vehicles except for a cheap electric bicycle, and I've been saving up to buy an electric motorcycle. It's really the dream, and I really appreciate you taking the time to make these videos. Kudos! =)
Hey, thanks for watching! Really these are just electric bicycles with a bit more power :D There are a bunch of used Zeros out there now if you're looking for a cheap way of getting into motorcycles. Thanks again and good luck!
@@NewZeroland Thanks for the advice! In your opinion, if I've never owned a motorcycle before, would you recommend I get a used Zero, or should I just keep saving and pull the trigger on an Energica? I've mulled over it but I don't think I've got the wisdom to make a smart choice.
I feel like the Energica is better engineered for longevity, considering the liquid cooled powertrain and larger battery, but I don't know if it's wise to get such a heavy (and not to mention powerful) bike as my first. I do plan on riding what I buy for a long time, and I have some experience with getting my hands dirty with motors and stuff, so I'm not too fazed by the prospect of owning and maintaining an Energica, but, what do I know lol. On the other hand, a used Zero is cheaper, something I can build up experience with, and is a local brand, which might mean better support if something breaks down. But, I'm inevitably going to upgrade to something else when I get out of uni. I also worry that a Zero won't get me from Santa Cruz to San Jose without using up more than 60% of the battery, even more so for a used battery, and being able to do that stretch is pretty important to me.
@@LynnXternal Santa Cruz to San Jose is only ~35 ish miles one-way so a Zero would be perfect for that. Energicas don't have as much range (unless you get a new one, which would be ~$20k) and they're heavy, like you said. All Electric bikes are easy to ride for beginners, especially with the different modes, but I'd suggest getting a used Zero. It's common to find them for under $10k, and you don't have to worry about the battery. My 2015 SR still has the same range as it did when I bought it :D
@@NewZeroland Thank you for the feedback. I can't argue with that reasoning, so I guess I'm gonna buy a secondhand SR later this year! Although I'm still gonna be drooling at the Energica lol. That Ego is my dream bike as of right now, maybe the Lightning Strike carbon edition if that ever becomes a thing.
@@LynnXternal haha no prob! Lightning is in San Jose if you want to give them a visit. Then again, Zero is in Scott's Valley, so you could take a tour there too! I really feel like a 2017 Zero SR would be your best bet (that's when they got more power haha).
bravo ragazi 👏👏👏👏
Grazie!
Im kinda surprised a the drag race off the line, I thought the EGO would have destroyed the zero? Weird. Thumbs up on the video as usual!!!
Right?? I was surprised, too. Really surprised. I'm guessing it has to do with the weight and the ramping-up-powerband that's programmed into it. Glad ya liked it though!
newenergicaland :thinking:
Hahaha
I guess your channel will be focused mostly on Energica now, but will you continue to follow the electric motorcycle field in general? I saw an article on an interesting Italian prototype called the Emula. Apparently it can simulate the sound, vibration, and torque curves of ICE bikes and it has a gearshift "command" lever and clutch lever that simulate the feedback as if there was a clutch and gearbox. Also has a "boring" mode which is just twist and go like existing electric bikes. Sounds both silly and interesting at the same time. It seems we're in a time when a lot of innovation is happening since no one knows how to make the most fun electric bike yet.
Yeah that's a good idea. I'll try and stay up to date on what's out there. Most people seem to have their money on Damon being the industry game-changer, but I'm still skeptical of their claims. That Emula you described sounds horrible.. every part of that sounds bad hahaha. I'd leave it in "boring" mode 100% of the time.
Evoke are now upgrading in the EV motorbikes they made so far, they get more serious with DC charging and high capacity batteries.
True, that cruiser has some impressive specs!
Good vid
First video of the Ego and its about the oil change. Haha nice one.
It may not be the easiest to do, though you don't need to do it quite so often so combine it with a cleaning and nursing of the bike, and you won't feel the annoyance.
As for the acceleration all electric are mostly the same. its more of a software problem not to have it so fast. and for the EGO I do feel they should allow it for faster acceleration as it is a sportsbike. but maybe they have and the weight is a problem here ... Though still it IS better than the zero as it can keep doing it.
Keep them video's coming 😊
Thanks again! Yeah the last video was just a short first impression ride. I'll do something longer soon. The acceleration is definitely programming. There's a ramp-up power curve that I can't seem to get around.. but then the Zero gets to it's top speed, the Energica is just getting started 😂
It goes against anything I want from an EV motorbike, keep it simple and clean like Zero does.
I feel ya man. Zeros really are amazing 90% of the time. Energica fills that remaining 10%, but there are compromises.
Enjoy the bike! I am appalled at the need for taking off the cover to clean the filter, which of course necessitates the gasket change, and surprised that you say the Ego and Zero are so closely matched performance-wise. I wish I had access to DC charging stations in the Eastern US--we have opposite situations as far as infrastructure is concerned (the one station closest to me charges a ridiculous $18/hour but of course I can't go over 1C and need the full battery's range, yet all the AC is free and available at anyone's home). Also, some race Zeros have a waterjacket installed for cooling..
Thanks man! Yeah it's kinda ridiculous, but I think the next time should only take like 20 min. The most time consuming part was taking off the fairings. I was as shocked about the acceleration as you! Real world launching power to weight is really close. Free charging is a huge deal. Most AC charging here is free too, but it isn't in the greatest locations, and the speed is too slow, so that was the deciding factor for the Energica. I still think Zeros are the best choice for most people though.
There aren’t any electrify America chargers near you? I thought they had a decent deployment in the east coast now.
@@Newspeak. None that work, they've sat unused for two years since installation (and have listed prices of $18/hr--sorry small batteries!). Also it's a complete pity that EA doesn't offer at least *one* of the more ubiquitous AC receptacles at each location. Must be trying to cut their losses and only support their own EVs.
Bad ass doing your own service! I know you have to, but it's still awesome!
Thanks man! It's always fun to take vehicles apart and find out how they were built. I think it makes you appreciate it more.
@@NewZeroland I totally agree! Also you feel good when you repair/replace anything mechanical.
@@ronaldb479 yeah totally haha. A sense of accomplishment that the bike didn't explode.
@@NewZeroland LMAO!!!!! True True
I think many people realize that electric bikes are out. I also feel like many people at least in first world countries don't really want them. A bike in a first world country is traditionally a toy, not something you NEED. That being said electric powered vehicles lack the soul more less, none of the sounds, the powerband feeling, the vibrations etc etc. While still very cool and I respect anything with an engine/motor, I understand why atleast here in North America they aren't desirable for the most part. Very cool bike though nonetheless and good job on the video!
Nope, the majority of bikers don't know about Energicas. Even if they've heard of MotoE, they might not realize these are production motorcycles that you can buy. Some aren't interested in electric, but most have never ridden one so they have no idea what they're like. I understand the "soul" argument, but what replaces the sound and vibration is an insane amount of torque that comes on instantly, with the smoothest, most controlable throttle you can imagine.
125 comments in 16 hours!!! You are crushing it.
Whoaaaa crazy!! 😳😮 I need to hire pinaero to reply to all of them for me.
To be fair. The 2016 and later model zeros don’t seem to have overheating issues. I do a gazillion drag runs back to back in my 16 DSR with no degradation in power or overheating in 75 degree F temps.
They're better, but still overheat if you hit the race track. Even the SR/F can only do a few laps at full speed.. but then the maintenance is basically non-existent, so Zeros are still awesome.
NewZeroland Got yah. Pulling power due to heat definitely sucks big time. I had issues like that with a supercharged AMG car and eventually sold it due to inconsistent power levels at the track. My Nissan GT-R could hot lap all day consistently. After getting my Zero I don’t think I could go back to a gas bike. It’s so much fun to ride. Where are you from originally? Props for living your best life dude.
@@Tothefloor thanks! I'm from California and have been living in NZ for about 7 years now. I guess I'll have to talk about that in a video sometime. I feel ya on the Zero.. I still love mine, and after racing against it and finding out the Energica really isn't much faster, I have way more respect for Zero. As a daily commuter / twisty road attacker / Ducati slayer at the lights, the Zero is amazing.
The Zero isn't for circuit riding, the Energica is.
99% of people use a bike in public, not on a race track.
Zero has no heat issues.
(2017DSR commuting highway 170km a day)
@@dennisnl7125 Hey I agree, Zeros are awesome. But they do overheat, and they can't do long road trips as easily as DC fast charging bikes. The components and built-quality isn't anywhere near Energica, either. It's that last 10% of things that I wanted from an electric bike.
Shout out to TSS ! Use a beer box gasket next time. You got crush washers from Italy? Sprint in the Wairarapa in October buddy so you can test out that top speed and quarter mile times
Oh heeey!! I'll be there 😁👊
So you think the Brammo is stupid, because it has a multispeed transmission?
The Rimac Concept2, made me want to have a drag-racing transmission on my centerdrive bikes. Dramatically different, but few gear sets, so I can move easily, with low amps, when commuting, and have a higher top speed, with shifting gears, instead of just relying on high voltage, and whatever the safe max rpm of the motor is.
Having a single gearset, means you have to choose, between acceleration, with ease of movement, concentrated torque, but you can't go that fast, or, choose a gearset more for top speed, diluted torque for wheel RPMs but you use a lot of energy, and create a lot of heat, just to get moving, on top of being sluggish.
I believe, being able to shift, between widely spaced gear ratios, is the best option for electric motors. Just like a strong, under-square engine.
Thanks for the insight, and I'm sorry if I offended you, but I only see 2 reasons why Brammo used a gearbox: to make something gas bikers could relate to, and to get away with using a lower-power motor. You'll notice their race bikes were direct-drive and had way more power. Once you get these things moving, especially the aerodynamic Ego, the energy needed to keep them moving isn't very much. I'll admit that a 2-speed gearbox might be cool to have, but a 6-speed is overkill, and Brammos were clunky. I just see it as something else that can break.
@@NewZeroland
I understand.
I just want to build the fastest & quickest electric road bike, I can build. And even with Ultra-Capacitors & high-C-rated-batteries working together, I don't want to overstress my systems, just for me to go faster then 300kph, and repeatedly launch from dead stops and slow corners. And I agree, for electric motors, a 6-speed is excessive, especially if the ratios are too close together.
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Oh, if you ever build your own electric motorcycle.
One thing I found out is, just like with high revving low torque engines, and low-revving high-torque engines.
If you want to build a sporty electric bike, then you'll need to build a battery pack, with enough batteries in series, to have the highest voltage possible, but still have enough batteries in parallel, for decent range capacity, and enough combined C-ratings, so you loose less energy to heat, from the internal battery resistance.
You can use a programmable controller or a Cycle-Analyst, to limit the current, to prevent battery overheating. But, limiting current, also limits torque. Which is why I prefer to have a gearbox, to concentrate the torque I have, for low speeds, steep hills, and drifting.
I'm trying to figure out how to implement a boost button, because I haven't found a controller with that feature.
Engines have a stable tune, and a Nitrous Oxide boost, when they need it.
WE, have stable, safe current limits, but it would be great if we can temporarily access a higher or unlimited current limit, for when we need more power, like when a traffic light is about to turn red, or, we are being passed in a race, final lap, but we have so much energy left and low temperatures.
The hybrid I built, has no current limit. As much as I love personal-responsibility and total-control. Ironically, and honestly, it's annoying having to constantly monitor how much current I'm using. And when distracted, I have overwhelmed the generator, many times, made my controller scolding hot, many times, and one time, melted a temporary connector.
I wish I had a stable current limit, I didn't have to think about, and a boost-button with temperature-gauge, for situations. But again, I don't know of a 3-phase controller with that feature.
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I think I'll just wire my throttle, through a Cycle-Analyst, have that limit the current. And have a button, switch on and off Relays, so I can bypass the CA, and have the full, raw throttle signal, go straight to the controller...That should work.
Oh, and if you want a powerful EV, the other way, low-voltage, high current.
Then, just like muscle-car & diesel engines with their extra metal. For the EV equivalent, you will need thicker cables, and more robust, heavier components, to handle all the current...And because voltage determines top-speed and rate-of-acceleration. Even with this set up, I would recommend a gearbox, to trade that massive amp torque, for more & more speed.
Now you can finally get your time down on that closed track! :) If you dare to push the pedal
You know it!!! Just need to get my skills up first.
You need to make a necklace out of the dead pressure washers. Adding every washer you replace....
HAHA amazing idea
Great video, stuff like torquing up the nuts etc that I would never of thought of. I think electric bikes are the way to go. If car drivers weren't so inconsiderate and didn't drive like idiots over here I'd love to own a bike again. Loved the street footage. I remember Wellington well. So a nice bit of nostalgia thrown in. Still don't know your first name but thanks for an ace video!
Thanks again, Gary! My name's Sam. I'll shoot some more video around Wellington soon.. it seems to be raining for the next 10 years straight, but it won't stop me from taking the bike out 😁
Well done SIR !! Suggest next time you can halve the time taken. Keep up the great work Sam :)
Thanks! Yeah for sure. First time is always a learning experience.
“Tell the president that it cures coronavirus”, gave you a like and subscribe just for that one joke. Keep up the great content!
Hahaha glad ya liked that 😂 Thanks for the sub!
NewZeroland, Taking a look on craigslist and found a dealership selling a 2018 zero S with a charging tank and a 13.3 battery with a little over 1500 miles on it. My question is what do you think a good price for that should be?
I live in the US if that makes a difference for the purpose of your advice.
Thanks again for the great content. I really appreciate how you get straight to the interesting part and don’t bog the videos down with a bunch of preamble.
"And make sure you wear gloves" haha
XD
Torque wrench used: Teng Tools 3892AG-E1 tengtoolsusa.com/products/teng-tools-3-8-inch-drive-torque-wrench-5-25nm-3892ag-e1
Thanks for posting that! I forgot to ask what he had. I'll have to get one for next time.
Which came first? pinaero™ or the ego. (Hint: someone hand me a towel... 😂😂)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Is this some sort of hybrid? I’m guessing that ninja EV is going to be running on a system like this.
Nah, the Energica's motor was just too big to mount in line with the rear sprocket so they used a reduction gear below it. You can't shift gears or anything. The Ninja is using a lower-power motor so shifting gears will help it have usable power, similar to the Brammo/Victory Empulse.
I love the video ride round Wellington south coast. I used to do it often on a Lambretta and a Norton back in the day. But, if you are a cop .. please don't watch this vid.
Haha, only slightly over the speed limit. Luckily I use a stunt rider and narrate over him :D
That oil literally looks like new.
Only 1000km
I recon apart from the 1st change all the others are technically not required. In similar applications there are either lifetime fills or change intervals of 80k-100k km. Just a money making excercise in my opinion, sorry.
Yeah could be, could be. I'll see how the fluid looks at 10k.
It's weird, but as you wiped the magnetic drain plug I felt a thin metal shard go into my finger, and I'm just sitting here at the laptop 😂
That's the next-gen youtube interactive experience.
Wow
Need to get some honey mustard ;)
Haha, happy mustard day!
Now that you've used the paint tray for the oil, what are you going to use to paint the house? Love the new bike Sam!
Hahaha my new house color will be ATF red.
Lovely bike
Thanks man!
Hi, excellent video! Will help with the 1K on my Ribelle :-) Small question: how do you know when to stop filling the motor oil? Just fill it to the top? Is ther ea gauge or something to check?
Thanks! There isn't a gauge but you only put ~1 liter (or 1 quart) in it. We just watched the measurement on the can.
@NewZeroland do you please have a manual as a PDF file for that?
No, but here is a great write-up: www.electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=9816.0
Difficult to see but just for the sake of it... you were in sport mode? In standard mode you have 40HP less.
Yep, sport mode, traction control level 3. I'll keep experimenting.
Was surprised that old Zero was able keep up with Energica so good. Doesn't Energica have double power to Zero?
Right?? Yep, over double the hp. I think a big factor is the ramp-up that's programmed into the acceleration (for safety?) and also the weight.
Haha “make sure you wear gloves” while not wearing gloves 😂
Someday I'll listen to myself 😂
Super excited to see mag thingy on the plugs.
I just spoke with the Energica guy in USA (aka Larry), that called from Ducati, I can't wait to get me an ESSE ESSE ESSE ESSE whatever... 9
We talked about that thing you can do on clutched bikes when you rev and make it go on one wheel. And somehow the Energica phone started not working. If you say it 3 times on the phone, the phone will not work. Only those idiot yanks do that kind of thing anyway.
HAHAHA 😂😂 Yeah I've seen people do bump-up power wheelies on Energicas. I'm not brave enough to try, but it's cool to know it's possible.
I'm curious, how do you know the torques? Are they in the owner manual?
Entertaining vid btw. Thanks.
Cheers! Thanks for watching. I think the torque figures are in the manual, but the Energica parts guy gave me that info so I just went with his guidance.
Good day! Tell me where to order a set of gaskets? The manufacturer does not send to Russia)
AF1 Racing sells a whole oil changing kit and you can buy it online 😁👍 Good luck!
@@NewZeroland Thanks!
This makes one think, How well engineered a Tesla car is. Though cars have the luxury of actively cooling battery & Engine because of their size & weight. Every 10000 km sounds like a chore.
Yeah, someone said Teslas have a sealed system, but I've also heard it's recommended to change the coolant every 2 years. At the rate I ride, it might be another 2 years for me 😂
@@NewZeroland Yes, You also have that Zero too.
DC fast charging is sexy. The maintainence is not.
Luckily it's not too often, and it was cool to take it apart and see how amazing the build-quality is.
@@NewZeroland Ive worked on cars my whole life. Now that Im of age. I find that not wanting to touch anything. Just want to ride. It is a pretty bike. Very desirable.
@@charlesmiller1222 I understand. Cheers, Charles!
Rambego: Bike Blood, Starring Sylvester Energicone
If it regens, we can kill it.
Is the gear box oil separate from the motor cooling oil? If so, is the sump part of the motor cooling system?
Nah they're both connected and use the same oil.
@@NewZeroland It seems very strange that they didn't design them with just one drain plug and one fill port like most cars and motorcycles.
Now i can see why you sold it :D
Haha nah it wasn't because of this. I sold it to get something cooler.. which I will talk about soon 😎
@@NewZeroland the hell I know. I've been binge watching your channel lately, and I've heard only one positive thing about the Ego: it's fast. Most videos state instead that it's heavy, uncomfortable, tricky to service and has too short range. 🤷♂️
PS. I'm buying a Zero SR/S and I want to prevent buyer's remorse 🤣
@@pietrodania8064 haha the old Egos were heavy with low range, but not the new ones. Zeros are totally different. They don't have the range, charging speed, build quality, or customer service to compete with Energica 😂 but they are quieter and more comfortable. It depends what you want to use it for.
How the hell did they manage to turn a 1 minute job into a whole day event? "Italian design" at its finest all right. What an abortion. It reminds me of the Ducatis where the easiest way to fill the oil was to take a valve cover off. (the manual said to remove the engine)
Haha, same with the Porsche Boxter. Oil change means dropping the subframe 😂 Any bike with fairings requires a ton of time to access the drain plug and oil filter, but it woulda been awesome if the motor filler hole was in a better spot.
@@NewZeroland 3 seconds of thought could have put a hole in the fairing under the drain. There's no reason the filler hole couldn't be under the seat. The strainer could be accessed through a plug. Goodness, my Moto Morini 250, designed in the 60's let you access the strainer without dropping the sump. Hell, even my Hyosung GT650R has a panel in the fairing that you can open to give access to the radiator cap.
I guess it means a constant sale of gaskets.
@@gasdive haha yep, shoulda had it under the seat... that's a really good idea :|
@@NewZeroland it's not rocket science. I guess when a bike shop is looking at taking on a dealership (and it's the bike shops that are the actual customer) "6 hours" for an oil change looks pretty appealing. Particularly as you can get the apprentice to do it for 8 bucks an hour and charge workshop fees of 150 per hour.
Which of course is the root reason why changing the oil in any vehicle is any harder than filling it with fuel. There's zero real reason why changing the oil should be any harder, or take any longer than fueling. You don't have to crawl under the car and unbolt the fuel tank to fill it. You shouldn't have to crawl under the car and unbolt something to change the oil. But this, this is just taking the piss.
My Honda Pacific Coast 800 is 'wrapped in plastic' yet it's oil and filter change couldn't be easier !
One of my ebike battery packs popped and caught on fire. =(
How??
@@NewZeroland I think its probably because the packs were moving around a bit too much in the battery case and the bms/wire got smashed or the bms failed. I was able to get the smoking pack separated from the other before it caught fire and caused a chain reaction with other packs. Doesn't bode well for my 3.4 kwH ebike battery build coming soon... LOL
@@bakotako eeeee good luck don't die! XD
Heyyy dont talk about brammolina like that she has feelings too LOL!!!!!!! 2:45
HAHAHA sorry XD I really wish they would have sold that direct-drive race bike that Victory had for a little bit. It had crazy power and looked really cool!
@@NewZerolandI agree that would have been Awsome!!!!!!!!!!!! since i can afford and ego right now i plan to build my own 150kw race bike and I will be dropping the first ride video tomorrow!!
@@InvokePerformance you what?!! O__O count me in for a follow. That sounds like the best idea ever.
NewZeroland Thanks for the Sub! I plan to use a very powerful ipm motor called the remey hvh 250 and a hacked inverter from a common hybrid car after I complete testing from the current brushed DC setup.
Congrats! (altho I still like Zero haha :p)
Thanks! Me too 😎
@@NewZeroland QQ, I haven't followed your video closely :p, but what was the factor you chose Energica over Lightening? Thanks!
@@onion24th price and availability.. I explained it a bit in the previous video. I found this Energica before even test riding the Lightning and figured it would be a fun bike to ride while I waited. 6 months later I'm still waiting but still very interested in Lightning.
@@NewZerolandEnergica does look sexier than Zero :) Does it have better water seal/proof than Zero?
@@onion24th haha yep, so far so good. I rode it in torrential rain the first few days of ownership and my dash is dry and the charger hasn't died, so I'd say it's more waterproof than the Zero lol
Total hrs ?
This was my first time so it was a learning experience, but I'd say a good 3-4 hours. Now that I know how to do it, if I wasn't setting up the camera to video the process, it would probably only take 20 min.
I am from India but m very interested in electronic bikes❤️ but till now in india, Either Zero or Energica didn't even started😭 but local brands like Ultraviolett is gonna lunch something waiting eagerly... And dreaming to run past the gas bikers with my electric one... Hoping a like and a reply 👍🙏
Nice!! Ultraviolette looks amaaaazing! 😁 I hope they sell a lot of them. I would love to test ride it. Thanks for watching!
@@NewZeroland I just love to watch your channel... I hope it would grow and spread like fire🔥
That comment about Trump... I think we could be friends. Ah... the Zero SR. I love that bike.
Hahaha phew! A few people were upset about that 😂 Maybe they hoped ATF really was the vaccine we've been waiting for. And dude, that Zero SR is an amazing bike. No doubts about it. Shockingly fast.
@@NewZeroland Enjoy your new bike! I just bought a house and some land in the country so hopefully the Zero stays strong for at least 5 more years.
@@usmcsaxoki thanks bro! Congrats on the new pad 😎 I really liked your housing cost breakdown video. And yeah that Zero is bulletproof. No reason to sell it.. except for a Livewire?! 😂
@@NewZeroland No, no, no! More like Deadwire... Dad joke. I actually want to buy an FXS. Looks like a lot of fun.
@@usmcsaxoki yeaaaah! Every time used ones pop up for like $6k on facebook I get really tempted. Those look like perfect hooligan bikes :D
Damn, really hating on Americans today haha. We deserve it tho ngl.
Hahaha nah, just jokes. I genuinely hope things get sorted out soon over there. 2020 is hitting the US hard. I'd say "come to New Zealand" but the borders are shut pretty tight right now.
jaja the bottle of coke
if the president don't want to drink the cola i can
😂
I played that a couple of times, but couldn't understand what he was saying: '...the president is.....' ???
@@SBK74 sadly automatic transmission fluid is not the vaccine we're waiting for
I think you left out the part where you perform the sacrifice that resulted in the human flesh, but I understand every vehicle has its downside, best not to focus on it. 😜
It was the ex-CEO of Mission Motors. Don't tell anyone.
First!
what a pain in the ass...nice work tho
Cheers :D
Thumbs down from me for pissing on the Brammo. Sam :p
Hahaha all good. Sorry if that was offensive. I had a reservation down for an Empulse back in.. 2013? Then they announced the gearbox and I just couldn't do it. They had amazing tech but were swayed to make something "gas bikers could relate to" and it just didn't work. I wish their direct drive race bike made it to production.
@@NewZeroland I'm not offended, because you are right. the gears are not nessecairy but they do enable you to win most of those traffic light races :p. but 3 gears would have been enough imo.
Selecting a 6 speed 400cc enduro gearbox because it was available and not being used for the bike that it was intended for was not the best Idea.
Cures coronovirus eh???🤣
Essential service 2020 😂
Really bad design
Why do you say that?
@@NewZeroland i mean engineering wise they sud kn that customer hav to get it serviced make it such that u hav to strip whole bike and too many drain plugs n hav to open sump to clean filter does not make sense...
@@abdulrehmanahmedshaik19 yeah I agree it would have been better with one drain plug and one filler hole, both on the same side or something.
@@NewZeroland lol yeah but i still dont get it y do u hav to change it soo often becoz cars dont need to change transmission fluid so often
@@abdulrehmanahmedshaik19 these gears are spinning a lot faster than car transmissions (10.5k rpm) so it's good to check. Probably not necessary, but it's a good precaution.