Finney’s understanding of Scripture seems to fit well with those in the last 100 years who claim church growth and indeed, individual growth can be acquired if you only develop and follow the “right” program.
The history of Charles Finney is very interesting. His greatest revival was right here in my hometown of Rochester, NY. in the early 1800's. From a human perspective it would seem he was a great success; a very charismatic preacher that mentioned hell and judgment and the need to repent and believe in Christ. On the surface you hear this and it would seem there was nothing wrong. However, Finney's actual understanding of core doctrines seem to call into question his true understanding of salvation. Though he mentioned sin, I'm unsure he understand the total depravity of it (Romans 3:9-20, Ephesians 2:1-3, Jeremiah 17:9, 1 John 3:4, etc.) to the point where he thought pragmatism was the way to go. He also didn't think revival was supernatural, but man-initiated, basically not believing the gospel was the power of God (Romans 1:16), but his own persuasive words. Finney didn't invent the altar call methods of today, but he certainly was the grand promoter of it in such a way that many of his methods are still popular today. If I'm not mistaken, even Finney himself would come back to some of the places he had "revivals" and find none of the "decisions" stuck. Because of his outward "success," Finney is hailed as the greatest evangelist of his time, but it isn't about the evangelist or the "decisions," it's about God saving a soul supernaturally through the preaching of the gospel. Finney's methods, at the end of the day, seem to contradict the Apostle Paul's words in 1 Corinthians 2:1-2.
Yes l will agree mr nash and others were key to the power of Holy Spirit out pouring in these revivals.... There were other important keys that were instrumental When Finney put the emphasis on the individual for his sin and which through the power of Holy Spirit brought deep conviction and deep repentance which was followed up with a Baptism of the Holy Spirit this brought a total transformation which lasted in many who received this..! Prayer is so important but also the real truth must be preached...
Finney was a heretic pelagian and a manipulator. Period. "Not being a calvinist" has nothing to do with it. His views on man, justification, sanctification, sin, and salvation in general were errant and heretical.
God saves regardless of what is preached And who preaches The elect are brought to faith And repentance in his way his time I myself was saved long before I heard any sound doctrine... that came afterwards To grow as a new born babe 1peter2v2! Many conversions are preacher ones and self ones Not of God!
@@angloaust1575 The doctrine that some are selected for salvation and other are doomed for hell is a false lie and false doctrine. For God so loved the world.... Jh 3:16 And he died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again” (2 Cor. 5:14-15; When Paul preached on mars hill in Athens (Acts 17v22) his message was tailored made for the philosophers who were there. If Paul wasnt obedient and preached they would not have heard the Good news... Yes God brings people to repentance and He will use us as His servants and those who will hear will hear God has given man a free choice as did the angels...also as He did with Adam and Eve. Yes He knew everyone in their mothers wombs but like you and me today and tomorrow we have a choice to follow and obey. God rejoices when we obey through faith to choose Him and His ways The Angel's rejoice Lk 15 v10 In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.”
The doctrine that some are selected for salvation and other are doomed for hell is a false lie and false doctrine. For God so loved the world.... Jh 3:16 And he died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again” (2 Cor. 5:14-15; When Paul preached on mars hill in Athens (Acts 17v22) his message was tailored made for the philosophers who were there. If Paul wasnt obedient and preached they would not have heard the Good news... Yes God brings people to repentance and He will use us as His servants and those who will hear will hear God has given man a free choice as did the angels...also as He did with Adam and Eve. Yes He knew everyone in their mothers wombs but like you and me today and tomorrow we have a choice to follow and obey. God rejoices when we obey through faith to choose Him and His ways The Angel's rejoice Lk 15 v10 In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.”
Adam and eve were made to fall God knew beforehand what would happen However since the fall people are born into sin and only God can bring them out of it Therefore the chosen ones will be brought to faith And repentance as paul was... a chosen vessel Freewill was only given to Adam and eve who had no sin but could sin And sin they did! However the command is to repent John15v16 I have chosen you You have not chosen me Jesus said!
Video too short leaving the listener wondering was Finney correct in his approach or not. I like short to the point videos, this one needs additional minute or two.
Charles Finney denied that mankind has a sinful nature inherited from Adam. Rather, Finney said, our sinfulness is the result of moral choices made by each individual. Christ’s death on the cross, according to Finney, was not a payment for sin as much as it was a demonstration that God was serious about keeping the Law. The reformation of a person’s morality is the essence of Christianity, according to Finney. It is the sinner who is RESPONSIBLE for his OWN REGENERATION, THIS CONTRADICTS CHRIST DISCOURSE WITH NICODEMUS. YOU MUST BE BORN FROM ABOVE. Charles Finney Systematic Theology Finney said; while the Holy Spirit influences the decision, the choice to be saved is always man’s: “The sinner actually changes, and is therefore himself, in the most proper sense, the author of the change” (“Sinners Bound to Change,” 21-22). Charles Finney is also well-known for teaching the doctrine of Christian perfection or sinless perfection. This doctrine is based on Matthew 5:48 where Jesus says, “Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.” Finney’s sermons on perfection make the argument that God would not ask us to be perfect were it not possible for us to attain perfection. He is careful to delineate the difference between what he calls natural perfection, or God’s “nature, essence, or constitution,” and moral perfection, which is “perfect obedience to the law of God.” Charles Finney declared that “the law of God requires perfect, disinterested, impartial benevolence, love to God and love to our neighbor. It requires that we should be actuated by the same feeling, and to act on the same principles that God acts upon; to leave self out of the question as uniformly as he does, to be as much separated from selfishness as he is; in a word, to be in our measure as perfect as God is. Christianity requires that we should do neither more nor less than the law of God prescribes” (Lectures to Professing Christians, Lecture 19) .Charles Finney Systematic Theology - Lecture 19 - B www.godrules.net/library/systematic/systematic19b.htm Charles Finney’s logic on the subject of Christian perfection seems, at first glance, air-tight. He used reason and the Bible to show how Christian perfection is attainable, necessary, and required by God. But the practical application of this doctrine proves to be trickier than understanding it. Finney himself admitted that there is a “desperate unwillingness” to obey. According to Finney, only when we are truly willing to give up all sin, yielding absolutely to God’s will, can we be “filled with the fullness of God.” But he also maintained that, even when Christians desire this perfection and pray for perfection “with agony,” they may still only think themselves willing to be perfect and may indeed be deceiving themselves as to their true motive. Was Charles Finney correct? Does God really require us to be perfect before we can have full fellowship with Him? The answer lies in understanding Christ’s role in our lives. During the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus also said, “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them” (verse 17). Paul also says that “the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith” (Galatians 3:24). This means that the Law showed us our inability to be perfect and therefore our need for Christ. Only when we are honest with ourselves can we begin to make progress as believers, and part of that honesty is to admit that we are fallen and in desperate need of Christ’s righteousness. “If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness” (1 John 1:8-9). Charles Finney recommended that, once saved, people should strive to attain perfection, which they could attain in this life with God’s help. But the Bible makes it clear that the only perfection we can gain was given to us on the cross. We are not only justified but also sanctified by the offering of Christ (Hebrews 10:10). Faith is what saves us and what changes us. Living water flows from the hearts of those who know their need, feel their thirst, and believe totally in God’s power to provide (John 7:37-39). Charles Finney is sometimes called “the father of modern revivalism,” and his impact on Christianity and American society in the 19th century is profound. His books, Lectures on Revivals of Religion (1835) and Lectures on Systematic Theology (1846) were widely circulated and read. He did a great deal of harm to the gospel . His teaching is still a plague in the church today. Before one endorses a church doctrine, one should do a background check on the origin of the doctrine. In most cases it comes from the Finney doctrine in some form
In John chapter 9 the story of the blind man who was healed is an interesting study the attitudes of those Pharisee theologians. The blind man responded to the Pharisees without any Calvinist training. I'm not an American but Charles Finney's books and his testimony and brilliant exposition really helped yours truly. That's for 40 years. The holiness of God! Why don't you guys preach the Gospel instead of criticising others whom the Lord empowers? Spiritual viruses can be lethal too! But "love covers a multitude of sins"
Titus 1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers To rebuke someone is to criticize him or her sharply. The Greek word most often translated “rebuke” in the New Testament is elegchó. In its fullest sense, elegchó means “to reprimand and convict by exposing (sometimes publicly) a wrong.” There are times when all of us need to be rebuked, and there are times when a believer needs to rebuke another believer. We normally think of a rebuke in a negative sense, but Proverbs 27:5-6 says, “Better is open rebuke than hidden love. Wounds from a friend can be trusted, but an enemy multiplies kisses.” Paul instructs Titus, as an overseer of the church, to “speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority” (Titus 2:15), implying that all three activities are of equal importance. We know we should always encourage each other and speak the truth (1 Thessalonians 5:11; Ephesians 4:25), but how do we know when to rebuke another believer? Scriptural rebuke begins in the heart. Before we confront anyone about anything, we should first examine our own motives. First Corinthians 16:14 says, “Let everything be done in love.” That includes rebuke. There is a right way and a wrong way to rebuke someone. Wrong rebuking stems from pride, anger, malice, jealousy, or another selfish attitude.
My biggest issue with Arminians is that they are the ones who lacck the understanding that “the Gospel is the power of God unto salvation”. Arminians are the culprits that persist in opening the garage door to man centered liberalism. Have a history lesson on how the Methodists and the Lutherans started, and how they morphed into social justice, seeker friendly cults today. Stop projecting, firend.
This is NOT a correct interpretation of Finny. Finny had prayer before conducting revivals. He waited upon God’s Holy Spirit t prepare the ground - the hearts of people - before he would go share the Gospel. Read Finny’s autobiography yourself. He often attacked because he was not a Calvinist. Very disappointing when people criticize and diminish the moving of God’s Spirit to bring about a revival and the winning of souls. Think about it - John the Baptist was not Ezra. Nehemiah was not Elijah. The Apostle Paul was not a Phillip. None of them were a Calvinist. God is His own Author. He will use every vessel He chooses according to His plan and His will for His glory. So God used Finny. What is really important? Praise God and give less attention to Finny. THOUSANDS of lives were reached and gloriously saved by proclaiming the Gospel for Christ Jesus.. That IS supernatural - even Finny says so. A man of deep prayer.
Finney was a heretic pelagian and a manipulator. Period. "Not being a calvinist" has nothing to do with it. His views on man, justification, sanctification, sin, and salvation in general were errant and heretical.
I came under great conviction reading Finneys autobiography. I like this teacher too. But though Finney gets critcized by many of my heroes, I have never had anyone show me where he goes wrong in his writings. I think they can not grasp what he was saying. I think he is saying overall, from man's perspective we have a date to perform on faith, and doing so with true faith that God wants to honor His name, we can expect the Lord to support our ministry if it is genuine.
It seems that Finney was a pragmatist heavily influenced by the culture. I, however, am in agreement with Calvin in that revival is the work of the Holy Spirit and not of man.
Revival is man submitting to the work of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit was sent 2000 years ago and He never left. So more of Him isn’t going to come the lack is on man. But none of this fits into the cave of Calvinist doctrine. I read all about Finney, read his autobiography. He was against the Calvinist doctrine of predestination because He didn’t see it in the Bible and because it makes no sense that Jesus only died for some. Of course he was focused on evangelism, because he saw the need as great - as a Calvinist, no matter what you say, the need isn’t great because if God predestined someone they will be saved. Calvinism is poison and Finney knew it.
@@keith3362 Does the work of the Holy Spirit hinge upon man's will? Isn't predestination all over Holy Writ? Is the Holy Spirit not sovereign? God declaring Jacob have I loved, Esau I have hated! What are you talking when you say Calvin's doctrine of predestination? The doctrine of predestination is God's doctrine not Calvin's! Why doesn't it make sense that Jesus only died for his own, those given to Him by the Father? I would be willing to die for my wife, my children, wouldn't you? We evangelize because our Lord commands us to do so. We do it to plead as dying men to another to come to repentance and believe upon the Christ the Son of God to have eternal life. What is so poisonous about it? Do you not believe in the doctrines of Grace?
@@wetlandweasel God being sovereign means He is free to rule how He wants it doesn’t mean that in His control over all tiny little details He is also in control of mens decisions. God chose to let men be free to self determine their own decisions. If you say He can’t then you don’t believe in Gods sovereignty
@@wetlandweasel God wills that no one perish, so does that mean His Will is going to be accomplished and no one will perish? Why do we pray for His Will to be done if it will always happen anyways, kind of point less right?
According to Finney's own words, he did not believe in the Substitutionary Atonement. He claimed that no one else can die for his sins. You can read his views in Finney's Systematic Theology. Because he was simply an itinerant preacher, his audience was not familiar with his doctrinal views--they just assumed that he was a Christian.
@@fredarroyo7429 1 Corinthians 6:20-You were bought with a price. Therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s. Romans 5:19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous. 1 John 2:2 He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world. John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Finney refused: the imputation of Christs rightousness to the sinner, saved by faiht alone, that Christs atonement actually bought and secured the salvation of people and said that you need to be obidient to be rightous. Instead of the reformed tradition who says that our justification by faith through Christ is the base for any sanctification, Finney swipt the table around and made the doctrine that you need a certain degree of holiness and obedience to become rightous. Furthermire, he denied original sin and said that this is a dammaging doctrine not understandable fr the human mind.... He is a pelagain. He is a heretic!
I am distrustful of anyone who teaches cessationism and denies the contemporary supernatural gifts and power of the Holy Spirit in light of over-whelming evidence that contradicts their false dogma. This guy talks as though he's from this school of thought. This is why people like him want to sideline line the great Charles Finney because Finney knew one could nothing without the power of the Holy Spirit and for some reason these people have believed the notion that filling or baptism of the Holy Spirit is not for today, which is both un-Biblical and ludicrous.
So this is what Students of “Reformed” theology are taught in their lectures. Complete misrepresentation of Finney’s veiws. My only comment to those trying to call out Finney on his imperfections is Mathew 7:3-5 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye. First consider the dangers of your own doctrines and then take a look at the impact that you are NOT having on a lost world.
Defenders of Finney always say Calvinists misrepresent him, but offer no counter evidence, not a single quote, sermon, writing. To be fair, Calvinists should do the same when they charge him with certain rejections of standard Evangelical faith too.
It really upsets me, the whole thing comes down to the fact that finney was not a calvinist he refuted it because it did not fit the bible teachings and calvinist then and now dismissed everything he did, but I'll ask what the bible says about a man, would we know him by his fruits or his theology, now what were Calvin's fruits whats the record of people that came to God through his ministry he became a Christian pope meaning what ever he said need it to be done in Geneva. He was in accomplice in the death of a jesus only dude, but every calvinist endorse him now a days but not Finney just because he made altars calls I really wonder many a times if some calvinist preachers are even really save!!!!!
Iv"e read a lot of Finney and he not one to bank your salvation own , this man knows nothing of his theology , he was a works based salvation of Atonement , it's called Finney's theology , but it" not Gods Theology . It's condemning .
Finney was not only unsound theological, he was also a segregationist and did not allow African-Americans in leadership. In that way (racism) he a lot in common with George Whitfield, Johnathan Edwards, George Mueller, the Puritans, and many of your heroes. Please stop speaking about these racist white men as good, godly men, or as the gold standard. By doing so, by ignoring this huge part of their true history you are showing your own racism.
And this is why your comment is stuck at the Bottom of the comment sections and why the first comment was deleted 🤷♀️🤷♀️..you can't even give a source to back up your claims...🙄🙄
Finney’s understanding of Scripture seems to fit well with those in the last 100 years who claim church growth and indeed, individual growth can be acquired if you only develop and follow the “right” program.
The history of Charles Finney is very interesting. His greatest revival was right here in my hometown of Rochester, NY. in the early 1800's. From a human perspective it would seem he was a great success; a very charismatic preacher that mentioned hell and judgment and the need to repent and believe in Christ. On the surface you hear this and it would seem there was nothing wrong. However, Finney's actual understanding of core doctrines seem to call into question his true understanding of salvation. Though he mentioned sin, I'm unsure he understand the total depravity of it (Romans 3:9-20, Ephesians 2:1-3, Jeremiah 17:9, 1 John 3:4, etc.) to the point where he thought pragmatism was the way to go. He also didn't think revival was supernatural, but man-initiated, basically not believing the gospel was the power of God (Romans 1:16), but his own persuasive words.
Finney didn't invent the altar call methods of today, but he certainly was the grand promoter of it in such a way that many of his methods are still popular today. If I'm not mistaken, even Finney himself would come back to some of the places he had "revivals" and find none of the "decisions" stuck. Because of his outward "success," Finney is hailed as the greatest evangelist of his time, but it isn't about the evangelist or the "decisions," it's about God saving a soul supernaturally through the preaching of the gospel. Finney's methods, at the end of the day, seem to contradict the Apostle Paul's words in 1 Corinthians 2:1-2.
Well said
indeed, thank you sir
Yes l will agree mr nash and others were key to the power of Holy Spirit out pouring in these revivals....
There were other important keys that were instrumental
When Finney put the emphasis on the individual for his sin and which through the power of Holy Spirit brought deep conviction and deep repentance which was followed up with a Baptism of the Holy Spirit this brought a total transformation which lasted in many who received this..!
Prayer is so important but also the real truth must be preached...
Finney was a heretic pelagian and a manipulator. Period.
"Not being a calvinist" has nothing to do with it. His views on man, justification, sanctification, sin, and salvation in general were errant and heretical.
God saves regardless of what is preached
And who preaches
The elect are brought to faith
And repentance in his way his time I myself was saved long before I heard any sound doctrine... that came afterwards
To grow as a new born babe
1peter2v2!
Many conversions are preacher ones and self ones
Not of God!
@@angloaust1575
The doctrine that some are selected for salvation and other are doomed for hell is a false lie and false doctrine.
For God so loved the world....
Jh 3:16
And he died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again” (2 Cor. 5:14-15;
When Paul preached on mars hill in Athens (Acts 17v22) his message was tailored made for the philosophers who were there.
If Paul wasnt obedient and preached they would not have heard the Good news...
Yes God brings people to repentance and He will use us as
His servants and those who will hear will hear
God has given man a free choice
as did the angels...also as He did with Adam and Eve.
Yes He knew everyone in their mothers wombs but like you and me today and tomorrow we have a choice to follow and obey.
God rejoices when we obey through faith to choose Him and His ways
The Angel's rejoice Lk 15 v10
In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.”
The doctrine that some are selected for salvation and other are doomed for hell is a false lie and false doctrine.
For God so loved the world....
Jh 3:16
And he died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again” (2 Cor. 5:14-15;
When Paul preached on mars hill in Athens (Acts 17v22) his message was tailored made for the philosophers who were there.
If Paul wasnt obedient and preached they would not have heard the Good news...
Yes God brings people to repentance and He will use us as
His servants and those who will hear will hear
God has given man a free choice
as did the angels...also as He did with Adam and Eve.
Yes He knew everyone in their mothers wombs but like you and me today and tomorrow we have a choice to follow and obey.
God rejoices when we obey through faith to choose Him and His ways
The Angel's rejoice Lk 15 v10
In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.”
Adam and eve were made to fall
God knew beforehand what would happen
However since the fall people are born into sin and only God can bring them out of it
Therefore the chosen ones
will be brought to faith And repentance as paul was... a chosen vessel
Freewill was only given to Adam and eve who had no sin but could sin
And sin they did!
However the command is to repent
John15v16 I have chosen you
You have not chosen me Jesus said!
Question is : Was it God with Finney in that revival or not?
Exactly!!!!!
No, there was no biblical revival that took place from finney
Look in the scriptures at what revival actually looks like. Not anything manufactured today.
Not 'turned around' but made 'spiritually' alive. Naught else.
You should read BB Warfield on Perfectionism.
Video too short leaving the listener wondering was Finney correct in his approach or not. I like short to the point videos, this one needs additional minute or two.
Read the description and you'll see where he's going with this.
Whole episode linked in the description
Finney was correct. If you get his book revival lectures and read it for yourself, then you don't need to listen to Calvinists misrepresent him
Charles Finney denied that mankind has a sinful nature inherited from Adam. Rather, Finney said, our sinfulness is the result of moral choices made by each individual. Christ’s death on the cross, according to Finney, was not a payment for sin as much as it was a demonstration that God was serious about keeping the Law. The reformation of a person’s morality is the essence of Christianity, according to Finney. It is the sinner who is RESPONSIBLE for his OWN REGENERATION, THIS CONTRADICTS CHRIST DISCOURSE WITH NICODEMUS. YOU MUST BE BORN FROM ABOVE.
Charles Finney Systematic Theology
Finney said; while the Holy Spirit influences the decision, the choice to be saved is always man’s: “The sinner actually changes, and is therefore himself, in the most proper sense, the author of the change” (“Sinners Bound to Change,” 21-22).
Charles Finney is also well-known for teaching the doctrine of Christian perfection or sinless perfection. This doctrine is based on Matthew 5:48 where Jesus says, “Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.” Finney’s sermons on perfection make the argument that God would not ask us to be perfect were it not possible for us to attain perfection. He is careful to delineate the difference between what he calls natural perfection, or God’s “nature, essence, or constitution,” and moral perfection, which is “perfect obedience to the law of God.” Charles Finney declared that “the law of God requires perfect, disinterested, impartial benevolence, love to God and love to our neighbor. It requires that we should be actuated by the same feeling, and to act on the same principles that God acts upon; to leave self out of the question as uniformly as he does, to be as much separated from selfishness as he is; in a word, to be in our measure as perfect as God is. Christianity requires that we should do neither more nor less than the law of God prescribes” (Lectures to Professing Christians, Lecture 19)
.Charles Finney Systematic Theology - Lecture 19 - B
www.godrules.net/library/systematic/systematic19b.htm
Charles Finney’s logic on the subject of Christian perfection seems, at first glance, air-tight. He used reason and the Bible to show how Christian perfection is attainable, necessary, and required by God. But the practical application of this doctrine proves to be trickier than understanding it. Finney himself admitted that there is a “desperate unwillingness” to obey.
According to Finney, only when we are truly willing to give up all sin, yielding absolutely to God’s will, can we be “filled with the fullness of God.” But he also maintained that, even when Christians desire this perfection and pray for perfection “with agony,” they may still only think themselves willing to be perfect and may indeed be deceiving themselves as to their true motive.
Was Charles Finney correct? Does God really require us to be perfect before we can have full fellowship with Him?
The answer lies in understanding Christ’s role in our lives. During the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus also said, “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them” (verse 17). Paul also says that “the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith” (Galatians 3:24). This means that the Law showed us our inability to be perfect and therefore our need for Christ. Only when we are honest with ourselves can we begin to make progress as believers, and part of that honesty is to admit that we are fallen and in desperate need of Christ’s righteousness. “If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness” (1 John 1:8-9).
Charles Finney recommended that, once saved, people should strive to attain perfection, which they could attain in this life with God’s help. But the Bible makes it clear that the only perfection we can gain was given to us on the cross. We are not only justified but also sanctified by the offering of Christ (Hebrews 10:10). Faith is what saves us and what changes us. Living water flows from the hearts of those who know their need, feel their thirst, and believe totally in God’s power to provide (John 7:37-39).
Charles Finney is sometimes called “the father of modern revivalism,” and his impact on Christianity and American society in the 19th century is profound. His books, Lectures on Revivals of Religion (1835) and Lectures on Systematic Theology (1846) were widely circulated and read.
He did a great deal of harm to the gospel . His teaching is still a plague in the church today. Before one endorses a church doctrine, one should do a background check on the origin of the doctrine. In most cases it comes from the Finney doctrine in some form
@@DogSoldier1948 Was Charles Finny a false teacher?
In John chapter 9 the story of the blind man who was healed is an interesting study the attitudes of those Pharisee theologians.
The blind man responded to the Pharisees without any Calvinist training. I'm not an American but Charles Finney's books and his testimony and brilliant exposition really helped yours truly. That's for 40 years.
The holiness of God!
Why don't you guys preach the Gospel instead of criticising others whom the Lord empowers? Spiritual viruses can be lethal too! But "love covers a multitude of sins"
Finney was lost
Titus 1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers
To rebuke someone is to criticize him or her sharply. The Greek word most often translated “rebuke” in the New Testament is elegchó. In its fullest sense, elegchó means “to reprimand and convict by exposing (sometimes publicly) a wrong.” There are times when all of us need to be rebuked, and there are times when a believer needs to rebuke another believer.
We normally think of a rebuke in a negative sense, but Proverbs 27:5-6 says, “Better is open rebuke than hidden love. Wounds from a friend can be trusted, but an enemy multiplies kisses.” Paul instructs Titus, as an overseer of the church, to “speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority” (Titus 2:15), implying that all three activities are of equal importance. We know we should always encourage each other and speak the truth (1 Thessalonians 5:11; Ephesians 4:25), but how do we know when to rebuke another believer?
Scriptural rebuke begins in the heart. Before we confront anyone about anything, we should first examine our own motives. First Corinthians 16:14 says, “Let everything be done in love.” That includes rebuke. There is a right way and a wrong way to rebuke someone. Wrong rebuking stems from pride, anger, malice, jealousy, or another selfish attitude.
My biggest issue with Arminians is that they are the ones who lacck the understanding that “the Gospel is the power of God unto salvation”. Arminians are the culprits that persist in opening the garage door to man centered liberalism. Have a history lesson on how the Methodists and the Lutherans started, and how they morphed into social justice, seeker friendly cults today. Stop projecting, firend.
It's a church history course. So naturally he's going to talk about what people believed and what he thought about it.
Absolutely!
This is NOT a correct interpretation of Finny. Finny had prayer before conducting revivals. He waited upon God’s Holy Spirit t prepare the ground - the hearts of people - before he would go share the Gospel. Read Finny’s autobiography yourself. He often attacked because he was not a Calvinist. Very disappointing when people criticize and diminish the moving of God’s Spirit to bring about a revival and the winning of souls. Think about it - John the Baptist was not Ezra. Nehemiah was not Elijah. The Apostle Paul was not a Phillip. None of them were a Calvinist. God is His own Author. He will use every vessel He chooses according to His plan and His will for His glory. So God used Finny. What is really important? Praise God and give less attention to Finny. THOUSANDS of lives were reached and gloriously saved by proclaiming the Gospel for Christ Jesus.. That IS supernatural - even Finny says so. A man of deep prayer.
Finney was a heretic pelagian and a manipulator. Period.
"Not being a calvinist" has nothing to do with it. His views on man, justification, sanctification, sin, and salvation in general were errant and heretical.
I totally agree. I normally would recommend Ligonier ministry videos, but this guy GROSSLY distorts Finney's position...and wildly misquotes him.
I came under great conviction reading Finneys autobiography. I like this teacher too. But though Finney gets critcized by many of my heroes, I have never had anyone show me where he goes wrong in his writings. I think they can not grasp what he was saying. I think he is saying overall, from man's perspective we have a date to perform on faith, and doing so with true faith that God wants to honor His name, we can expect the Lord to support our ministry if it is genuine.
Do Presbyterians claim Billy Sunday? And was he a Calvinist?
The full lecture is better
I'm related to him very interesting
Cool. So when and where is the next revival?
It seems that Finney was a pragmatist heavily influenced by the culture. I, however, am in agreement with Calvin in that revival is the work of the Holy Spirit and not of man.
Revival is man submitting to the work of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit was sent 2000 years ago and He never left. So more of Him isn’t going to come the lack is on man. But none of this fits into the cave of Calvinist doctrine. I read all about Finney, read his autobiography. He was against the Calvinist doctrine of predestination because He didn’t see it in the Bible and because it makes no sense that Jesus only died for some. Of course he was focused on evangelism, because he saw the need as great - as a Calvinist, no matter what you say, the need isn’t great because if God predestined someone they will be saved. Calvinism is poison and Finney knew it.
@@keith3362 Does the work of the Holy Spirit hinge upon man's will? Isn't predestination all over Holy Writ? Is the Holy Spirit not sovereign? God declaring Jacob have I loved, Esau I have hated! What are you talking when you say Calvin's doctrine of predestination? The doctrine of predestination is God's doctrine not Calvin's! Why doesn't it make sense that Jesus only died for his own, those given to Him by the Father? I would be willing to die for my wife, my children, wouldn't you? We evangelize because our Lord commands us to do so. We do it to plead as dying men to another to come to repentance and believe upon the Christ the Son of God to have eternal life. What is so poisonous about it? Do you not believe in the doctrines of Grace?
@@wetlandweasel God being sovereign means He is free to rule how He wants it doesn’t mean that in His control over all tiny little details He is also in control of mens decisions. God chose to let men be free to self determine their own decisions. If you say He can’t then you don’t believe in Gods sovereignty
@@fredarroyo7429 OK! Does that mean that man' decision can thwart God's will?
@@wetlandweasel God wills that no one perish, so does that mean His Will is going to be accomplished and no one will perish?
Why do we pray for His Will to be done if it will always happen anyways, kind of point less right?
According to Finney's own words, he did not believe in the Substitutionary Atonement. He claimed that no one else can die for his sins. You can read his views in Finney's Systematic Theology. Because he was simply an itinerant preacher, his audience was not familiar with his doctrinal views--they just assumed that he was a Christian.
Yikes!!
Jesus died for your sins doesn’t mean that He paid your sin debt.
@@fredarroyo7429 1 Corinthians 6:20-You were bought with a price. Therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s.
Romans 5:19
For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
1 John 2:2
He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.
John 14:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
@@unccysammy so bought with a price means Jesus paid your sin debt to you .
Why didn’t it say. Your sin debt was paid by Jesus
@@fredarroyo7429 1 John 2:2
He himself is the sacrifice that atones for our sins-and not only our sins but the sins of all the world.
Finney refused:
the imputation of Christs rightousness to the sinner, saved by faiht alone, that Christs atonement actually bought and secured the salvation of people
and said that you need to be obidient to be rightous. Instead of the reformed tradition who says that our justification by faith through Christ is the base for any sanctification, Finney swipt the table around and made the doctrine that you need a certain degree of holiness and obedience to become rightous. Furthermire, he denied original sin and said that this is a dammaging doctrine not understandable fr the human mind....
He is a pelagain. He is a heretic!
Thank God cause those doctrines are from the devil
I am distrustful of anyone who teaches cessationism and denies the contemporary supernatural gifts and power of the Holy Spirit in light of over-whelming evidence that contradicts their false dogma. This guy talks as though he's from this school of thought. This is why people like him want to sideline line the great Charles Finney because Finney knew one could nothing without the power of the Holy Spirit and for some reason these people have believed the notion that filling or baptism of the Holy Spirit is not for today, which is both un-Biblical and ludicrous.
So this is what Students of “Reformed” theology are taught in their lectures. Complete misrepresentation of Finney’s veiws.
My only comment to those trying to call out Finney on his imperfections is Mathew 7:3-5
And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
First consider the dangers of your own doctrines and then take a look at the impact that you are NOT having on a lost world.
He denied Jesus as the atonement so......🤷♂️
Defenders of Finney always say Calvinists misrepresent him, but offer no counter evidence, not a single quote, sermon, writing. To be fair, Calvinists should do the same when they charge him with certain rejections of standard Evangelical faith too.
I stand corrected www.monergism.com/disturbing-legacy-charles-finney
This is a complete misrepresentation of Evangelist Charles Finney, who he was, and what he believed.
Amen!
I agree
It really upsets me, the whole thing comes down to the fact that finney was not a calvinist he refuted it because it did not fit the bible teachings and calvinist then and now dismissed everything he did, but I'll ask what the bible says about a man, would we know him by his fruits or his theology, now what were Calvin's fruits whats the record of people that came to God through his ministry he became a Christian pope meaning what ever he said need it to be done in Geneva. He was in accomplice in the death of a jesus only dude, but every calvinist endorse him now a days but not Finney just because he made altars calls I really wonder many a times if some calvinist preachers are even really save!!!!!
@@denmart9842 I agree.
I disagree
Iv"e read a lot of Finney and he not one to bank your salvation own , this man knows nothing of his theology , he was a works based
salvation of Atonement , it's called Finney's theology , but it" not Gods Theology . It's condemning .
Finney is dangerous.
The ppl who agree with this comment are covered antinomians who speak like snakes , contradictions out of both sides of their mouth
Finney was not only unsound theological, he was also a segregationist and did not allow African-Americans in leadership. In that way (racism) he a lot in common with George Whitfield, Johnathan Edwards, George Mueller, the Puritans, and many of your heroes.
Please stop speaking about these racist white men as good, godly men, or as the gold standard. By doing so, by ignoring this huge part of their true history you are showing your own racism.
You only admire, respect, and love perfect people because you are perfect! Congratulations!
And this is why your comment is stuck at the Bottom of the comment sections and why the first comment was deleted 🤷♀️🤷♀️..you can't even give a source to back up your claims...🙄🙄
I thought he was an abolitionist?
Have you ever wonder why black people had been slaves through many periods of history ?
That is a flat out lie. Back it up or shut up.