Good guys vs. bad guys: How early do babies know the difference? - Kiley Hamlin, UBC
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2014
- By Sabrina Daniel
As head of the Centre for Infant Cognition at the University of British Columbia, Kiley Hamlin is interested in the development of the human mind and how we understand and evaluate the social world. One of her research projects looks for the earliest signs of morality by measuring how early in life infants can differentiate between good and bad behaviour in others.
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I was fascinated by Dr.Jill Bolte Taylor - A Stroke of Insight author , where with only her right hemisphere intact after her stroke she could feel/sense immediately which Drs Nurses were kind and good and liked her and she would recoil from the ones that she knew didn’t like her or care about her.
Shut down the left logical and programmed side of the brain and we operate on insight and instinct and or our own innate knowingness of what Love is , as that’s our default setting.
“My Stroke of Insight” is a great book. Very readable.
It is not morality. It is survival instinct. I am glad to hear that infants already got it.
Morality is survival in humans. We are the dominant species in our planet because of our ability to understand and empathize with others of our kind. That ability can be called an “instinct.” That is perhaps the best word for it.
@@CIS101 It’s too soon to call it a bipedal gait. But you can see that the baby has developed her feet for that very purpose.
@@CIS101 I am not denying or disputing your comment. I’m just looking at it as an evolutionary biologist and a “religious naturalist” (a better description of my world-view than “atheist.”)
As a religious naturalist, I believe that human sociality (of which our inborn ethics and empathy are obvious parts) is a product of genetic mutation and natural selection. All human characteristics are. People seem to find it easier to understand that concept when I use the analogy of the bipedal gait.
The human baby’s feet are adapted by evolution for the bipedal gait. So is everything else in her body and brain. Human characteristics evolved and every human has them. She will not have to be trained or socialized into upright walking.
The commenter to whom you replied asserted that the behavior of the babies in the video is not attributable to “morality.” Perhaps they think that a human child must receive explicit instruction in how to behave like a human. I disagree. They then say it is “survival instinct.” I agree with that, if they mean “instinct” as an evolutionary biologist defines “instinct.”
Her brain is fitted by evolution for the particularly Home sapiens version of sociality. That includes morality.
@@CIS101 I did, though.
i haven't encountered a good, decent, helpful, honest, kind or truly ethical person in 30 years. other than those i casually meet throughout a normal day everyone i actually get to know to any intimate level betrays me, uses me, decieves me, manipulates me or otherwise harms me in some way. this includes my own family, nieghbors, landlords, doctors, lawyers, cops and even bureacrats and others who's PAID to help me. the people who's JOB it is to help others treats me like crap, abuses me and neglects me.
so whatever instincts we may have to help and be kind to others IS CORRUPTED by society and a thing called "rationalization." as long as people can convince themselves that they have no control over their own actions - for instance saying "i'm only doing my job" - they can rationalize their abuse and neglect of others. ITS SOCIETY which turns us into predators and fascists. as we age we learn to screw others for our own survival. isn't capitalism great?
Why do us human beings often lose that ability to be wary of strangers after infancy?
They do know. Infants know. I brought up 7 nieces and nephews. Animals know. Alot of insects know. Scent , heartbeat , ??? Gut feeling✨😊✨
Easy, Jody......
Fascinating! I always knew it - I made a pact with myself that I wouldn't make noises and faces at babies when I was young (I was mortified that my class act of a Mother could turn into a blithering ninny @ the sight of an infant). I've always just interacted with them like they'd understand (I think it's alot like animals, I get pictures in my head and I think they can read that). I feel that they're everything we are - minus vocabulary and experience. My Pa always treated me like that, and I treat kids/animals (and, yes...even my plants🙄) that way.
The children have of course witnessed the 'good/bad' example. What if they has not witnessed? That would be be a useful line of research.
This is about feeling,intuition also.
The gut feeling you get when watching a mean behavior.
These are survival instincts all animals learn or have in memory with some mammals.
yep! We know from the beginning of life
this was very interesting
As a South-of-the-Border citizen, I found the phrase "caring Canadian" interesting. If more people aspired to be caring, even if not Canadian, wouldn't our world be a better place?
What this told me is that very young we kids learn they aren't good and we condition them to against that. When you feel something isn't right, making you feel good, feels bad. It's bad. You're using the same skills as these babies and ignoring it. That's why you're in crap relationship or stuck with toxic family but questioning it despite your negative feelings.
I think you completely lost the point of this study in a very disturbing direction, drawing erroneous conclusions, and complicating the results of a very simple study. *_It had NOTHING to do with proving children think *THEY_*_ are bad, but whether or not they could make the distinction of situations OUTSIDE OF THEMSELVES.*_ The development of personal identity and self worth is extremely complicated, with endless variables, so it’s meaningless to assign such meaningless comments about being bad making you feel good, or whatever it was that you said. It’s probably a good idea to stay away from psychology as a subject unless you take university level classes.
Great learning video that determines bad from bad. I'm glad I saw this video 😁
Very interesting!
Desde siempre queremos el Bien y rechazamos el Mal
i haven't encountered a good, decent, helpful, honest, kind or truly ethical person in 30 years. other than those i casually meet throughout a normal day everyone i actually get to know to any intimate level betrays me, uses me, decieves me, manipulates me or otherwise harms me in some way. this includes my own family, nieghbors, landlords, doctors, lawyers, cops and even bureacrats and others who's PAID to help me. the people who's JOB it is to help others treats me like crap, abuses me and neglects me.
so whatever instincts we may have to help and be kind to others IS CORRUPTED by society and a thing called "rationalization." as long as people can convince themselves that they have no control over their own actions - for instance saying "i'm only doing my job" - they can rationalize their abuse and neglect of others. ITS SOCIETY which turns us into predators and fascists. as we age we learn to screw others for our own survival. isn't capitalism great?
Great info!!!❤
Ok, so what happens as we grow up and discover that the bad guys are not discouraged from doing bad things or that even the so called good guys can do evil things for a different reason? The original plain picture of clear values becomes obsolete.
indeed, all these studies that involve money are used against us.
That doesn't change one's goodness or recognition of badness. Values won't change, just results.
Some people have a keen sense of judging others, even as children. Others NEVER learn. Notice how bad politicians keep getting votes? Those votes are from folks who never learn.
The problem starts when they get friends who coerce them to do bad or mean stuff.... they want to feel part of the crowd. So they can pick the helper puppet when they are 3 months and become a bully when they are a teen, IMHO 🇨🇦 👍🇺🇸
*Are unconscious biases healthy or should humanity try to override them with conscious biases* in the name of being more civilized / liberal ?
Ouch! This erstwhile if naive young UBC researcher apparently knows little of trauma psychology, or that a child traumatized by an adult will always blame him/herself for the pain inflicted by an adult figure, as the chance of that adult protecting an innocent relatively helpless child from even greater harm by an outsider are greater than blaming the abusive known adult. Good luck with your study of playtime, but far topo many "unintended" and vulnerable children are being abused and developing a whole range of survival reactions (dissociative disorders) just to stay alive another day. 37% of American children are "unintended" and 8% are unwanted (CDC). The true number of us being abandoned/abused is unknown.
It's the premise of MK Ultra, where you no longer trust yourself. This is a naif, many babies are hit on the head day one! Many normalize trauma, internalize, bond, etc. Poor infants. The obvious is always not so obvious to the academic science community. They drop animals from tall building to see if it hurts. Just, inane.
Yes Trauma …I’m guessing babies/infants and young children will always choose to stay with their mom ( or dad) even if they are abused by them as that’s all they know and they might be further traumatized if removed from them..as that’s their parent(s)..the ones they’ve bonded with or attached to in their home or environment.
Might be another reason to go back to environments where it’s the elders and/or the village that raises the child ..🤔
@@trudycampbell4962 I have found that comparing our "modern" deteriorated (?) society filled with isolated nuclear families or even single parents are an artifact when compared with our ancestral tight knit migratory Hunter-Gatherer clan/band social structures, in which each child was precious and attended to by every other clan member. I liken our nuclear families/single parent "families" to the lifeboats bobbing in dangerous waters after the sinking of the mother ship (Titanic). We are nearing the end of times, IMHO. Climate collapse will do the rest, if not one war or another.
Morality at 6 years old. Still exactly the same at 20, 30 and 60.
We know because God said so!
there was that creepy shrink who wore a monster mask around his baby
From The Other Guys
I feel like this is a stretch
I believe some babies have a 6th sense or 3rd eye.
They know...
Really, picked the helper Puppet 80% of the time?
•Has this study been repeated in a similarly controlled study?
•How many subjects were involved in this “controlled test”?
Aren’t studies supposed to be conducted by other independent scientists before the results are celebrated?
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I don't believe babies that young are capable of making such assessments. The choice of toys is because of some other reason.
This is called fitra
Big Chungus
Kinda…Garbage 😮😅😊😅😅
Depends. jew babies, for instance, NEVER know the difference between right and wrong/good or bad.
What study shows this
@@stacyscott4621 The 2,000 year history of them being booted from everywhere they've ever gone.
Aha