@@dottore5552 well, it can't be helped right? I made that comment before vill-v being a playable valk even a thing, but yes, she's really good with helix2, setsuna1, stars2 and discipline2
omg i was wondering if you were gonna do aponia and eden. cant wait to watch this. edit after watching: i love this video's discussion. the topic was hella interesting bc its kind of hard to get in depth meta knowledge like that. i wouldve loved if you went deeper into it honestly, i was hooked.
one thing i also noticed is that, they rerun dps gear like herscherr gear much more often than sp gear. So you can also consider the frequency of gear rerun for your pull planning.
Yups, and when they do rerun SP gear, it's on the scam of a divine key banner that ends up giving you 50 weapon duplicates per stigma, and it's not even the stigma you needed >.
@@PrincessStabbityPLS yea, so get it on release which is very cheap with the 30 guarantee, even with horrendous luck, the 30 guarantee is there as clutch.
and i really get what you mean about every valkyrie being skippable. it's been so long since someone has been outright REPLACED (and i mean straight up, tp -> bke, same battlesuit type, same damage type) that no matter what valk you get now, there's going to be SOMEONE that can do her job similar. not BETTER, but with what you have, you're going to retain redlotus (and maybe nirvana. i dunno. i was there months ago, been dodging that place ever since) iirc, the closest thing we've had to a replacement in recent times is hov -> silverwing, because there was literally no one else for bio ranged weather. (or ranged weather at all basically)
supports can make or break a team - very few valks nowaday have a significant drop off with ftp gears. while supports generally make things a lot easier/allow your dps to deal with new situations. like carole's stuff (pag) which is such a huge improvement to shield break. or pardo's stuff for freeze, zhenyi for lightning teams. turg.
Honestly, i have SSS HoV and i don't really feel the need of getting silverwing. its not like i want to get 1st place every abyss bracket either and she still scores good, though if you only have her at S its kinda big oof, you want to be at least SS for her to be passable
Actually HoV is still capable of retaining Ranged assaka in Nirvana with SS3 or SSS, in RL obviously it is easier. Yes you need very high investment for her (lopsided favor towards silverwing), but it adds to the point that there are multiple options. Also true for Elysia on this boss.
@@keebsterafterdark6463 yeah, it's also possible to superinvest into one character and still do well enough to at least retain since there is powercreep, but not to the point where an sss/ss old valk can't compete with an s0 valk
The door will change if u buy signet u cant get anymore, e.g u have 3 kevin (no core) and buy 2 in shop and next is double door, u cant get it anymore so the door will change.
but they don't need to play the animation of the doors respawning on every single signet purchase like its now, makes no sense, only in the case you described doors should respawn
Yeah, I returned after a long hiatus and the difference between Celestial Hymn and HoS is huge. Like, it's near impossible to play physical teams in ex redlotus due to how clunky CH is (that and the fact that HoS has huge sp gen, true independent multiplier, time stop, longer impair time, off field application of newton B) I've legit given up on physical and just brute force the stages with elemental teams
@@kalodawg8297 I recommend getting her as soon as she comes back, she's really fun to play; and I'd say her gauntlets are the main thing you should aim for if you don't have enough to roll
They buffed ER by adding 10% health to the enemies. Also the 35% damage reduction makes Valkyries need to regen SP to reduce their resistance. Pair this with the need to pick signets that gives/make you/enemy damage makes this ER hard for me personally
It's wierd cause I find this ER easier for some reason, last patch corruption was my best with Pardo with Ana TB and Nohime M and the Craftable weapon, this patch I did Finality without any Issue. So I don't know why that is.
@@TheYeahzus Pardo does have high SP regen from her ult. she can reduce her ult cd,high SP regen from her combo attacks and almost impossible to get hit due to her I-frames so maybe that's why?idk cuz my felis is only S rank and literally no gear
Honestly i think this ER is better than the last patch one, though to be fair i do mostly use Mobius since i have her with both her signature gears (affixed too) and maxed out pri. The summoned entities dmg nerf last ER was big oof for her
Thr doors keep updating if you buy a signet that was in their reward pool, if you buy the last buff of a door, the whole selection will randomize again
Hope this helps too PS: I am writing this in the best RNG i had in my last playthrough and i did everything in order Set-up Item: GENERAL: Abandoned (+1 Level for kevin signets) SUPPORT: Because of you (To ensure 2x Ely signet on floor 7) Support - Hua: +Elem Dmg - Pardofelis: +Total Dmg Floor 1 & 2 i get these three Blessings for aponia (in order...) - Admonition (floor 1) - Shelter (floor 1) - Inclusiveness (floor 2) These three blessings already is an SP battery (12sp + minus 6 sec cd on ultimate / QTE) and the Dmg output already ranges from 100 to 300k above depending on your timing with the HUA and PARDO support Floor 3 and 4 - I go with Kevin signets till i get (Shadow of deliverer) Floor 5 - I go with Enhanced Kevin signets under Shadow of deliverer (any enhanced signet) Floor 6 (Important) -Here i chose to go to felis shop, the BECAUSE OF YOU item should already be fully charged: Activate it to force an EGO signet stage for floor 7 -After activation, change your SUPPORT ITEM to anything you want, I got IT WILL BE WRITTEN in my run -Afterwards, its up to you if you enhance or buy another signet Floor 7 - You should be able to ensure the 2x EGO here; completing all of your blessings Then afterwards i focus on these two stigmas for the rest of the floors (As long as you for Kevin: shadow of deliverer, any order - Kevin Stigma (Shadow of deliverer): I DO NOT GET THE PHYSICAL DMG BUFFS - Hua Stigma (Vivid Vicissitude): At least i until i get FLEETING FANTASY + FORGOTTEN AND FORSAKEN - Sakura Stigma (Setsuna Blade: Yasha): To force the ultimate evasion signets to activate - Griseo: At least get the paint for Ultimate / Ultimate Evasion / Weapon Active Good luck
I've been conflicted. I know SP supply is a super good deal, so I was thinking of getting Eden's guns, but I won't be getting Aponia and I still need to get Swords. So I kinda want Swords to give my physical team a huge burst especially since I'm lacking in lightning valks (I have S2 HoT and am considering getting seven thunders for her), and I feel like Eden isn't super nessecary. But idk lol. I like Aponia and I like her animations but when you don't have money/crystals to spare you need to pick your battles I guess. I'm also expecting (moreso hoping) for next Herrescher to be an ice dps, since I'm again lacking a "newer" ice valk, if that isn't the case then I might not focus too much and instead finish whatever SP valks gears come in the patch.
@@raf4320 The support Sigil gives +1 if you pick bodhi support, also the starting buffs and stage effects are more accommodating to ranged valks compared to the previous version where the strongest buffs were for melee. I'd say its a lot better especially on earlier stages.
I totally agree with your point. The meta is shifting towards support gears and it's much more relaxed with DPSs choices and their equipment. I think this has to do with something you already said on another VOD about Honkai getting more casual with time (maybe to be more welcoming to Genshin players and new players in general) and this makes sense as we are also seeing some changes in ER difficulty, QoL stuff and more overall friendliness with the game's UI. Personally I think this gives players a better time with planning, saving and choosing what DPS they really like/want, the case being just not skipping support gear supplies
this video and your thoughts about the meta nowadays makes me wanna pull for aponia cause i rly like her playstyle but it's probably a bad idea since i have SW + SpA 3/4 and 4/4 respectively
He was saying that pulling SP valk gear is more important than new dps valks. Of course, this is assuming you already have a somewhat competitive alternative.
I think I get what you mean keeby with sp support gear you can't go wrong with it cuz it is always used in that team and some times in other teams ( turg - aslaug ) but with s ranks i think most of them just became spike valkyries Also what category would you put s rank supports? ( I think they would be just a must have cuz all comes to mind is AE and HoS )
The only 'must-have' S-rank support I think is just HoS right now. AE is slowly getting phased with newer dedicated elemental support like Felis, Eden, etc. HoS at the very moment is still the backbone of literally all physical team and I don't think the upcoming Griseo would change that.
@@ahmadyulinu but think about it this way for a new player you can just reroll for AE in dorm supply cuz she is basically free but for someone in exalted or something the subject gets really complicated whether you get AE or not personally I don't have her but if you have her she just makes your life easier that is what I think
@@ahmadyulinu AE is still the best universal support for elemental teams despite being replaced in certain elements. And she still can't be replaced in fire teams, she's considered one of the best supports in fire teams. Despite me having have a full-geared hoR she still couldn't clear Universal Mirage until I got Felis with her full gear. (1/4 Turg) Felis, Eden, Fischl is a must have for those certain elemental teams branches
Is there a specific play style for aponia in er? I did all of ur playthrough on corruption with sig weapon and handel stigs (with wang on T) but i still cant get past that buffy robot…
Could I do this with 2 p of her stigma and her signature weapon i wonder? Missing the center one and i got a darwin as placeholder. Also i don't have all those support items options yet
Damn this one was really easy imo. Handel is such a good stig set I hope you're not planning on doing Eden ER below SSS rank, her damage is just lacking below that rank imo.
im confused then who do you save and roll for besides support gear like if you want to realistically retain in nirvana what would would be the base requirements?
Quite hard to answer since it's account dependent. Generally you build towards one complete and MODERN team, which will be able to be best on their weather, and also manage to do well enough on probably 50%ish (RL) of "off" weathers to just retain or even promote. From there you work towards your weaknesses. Unfortunately I can't really give advice for cope Nirvana clears because it does actually require immense game knowledge, it changes patch to patch and investment thresholds are very volatile for them. Each boss has a "cope" dps as well, if you don't have it then it's also tough luck. For example, for Nihilus Husk if you do not want to use Aponia you will need a maxed out FR, or in the future, a similarly invested HoT. Silverwing is also an option if full gear, but only for hitcount. I can describe the situation for each boss (like for type counter andrius, SpA retained), but as you can tell it's a very hard situation to fully understand.
I only wanted a handel M or B out of 5600 crystal and bruuhhh I got - Fu hua margrave T, Nue of the shadow ,eden's Gun and Allan Poe M Why Gacha gods!!!!!!
If you got the gun then its way more valuable than any Handel piece since there won't be any guarantees on it later, meanwhile with Handel you get one from box + can craft it using Goemon bought from BP
I’ve been trying to use aponia in recent ER runs and found that a mobius build also worked pretty well w/ her, if you go with the summoned entity ego signets? and since I also used the handel set, it works super well? honestly I think support sets are more important than dps ones can be sometimes?
As someone who has both, when you’re playing Aponia in normal gameplay you end up using the other balls on the team way more than actually Aponia because of the way her conviction mechanic works, whereas Silverwing is much more traditional, you use her basic atks non stop, rly high range but more single target, etc. For *me* I prefer Silverwing mainly because I love guns and she’s basically my dream playstyle and aesthetic, but I’ve been finding Aponia fun too because Eden is my fave valk rn and the fact I get to play on field a lot is great, plus Aponia ult animation is amazing
Meta wise , aponia at S rank is as strong or stronger than S1-2 Bronya because of the banner bronya had when she was out the first time so most people have her at a higher rank , if you have Mobius or HOT ( with the weapon next patch ) you really don't need aponia while bronya is the only good? Ice dps , in the end like he said in the video there's not a MUST have valk besides HOS so you're free to choose based on your waifu taste
I kinda disagree with what others have said because having Mobius actually doesn't give you any reasons to skip Aponia because Mobius cannot cover any of her weathers. As for the change between SW or Aponia, I'd say you should consider what team is geared best: lightning or ice? If it's ice then go for Bronya, if it's lightning then for Aponia. But! I also wouldn't say that SW is the only good ice dps rn, HoR, Nyx and even AKA (at SS) can hold their ground really well so if you have them geared up then again you won't benefit as much from SW
@@akilun tbh funny enough AKA can still be usable in ice weather for red lotus, as someone who's managed to get first place in their batch (plus top 8% in EU - which probs isn't a lot but to me is a massive achievement). Like she managed to surpass my Seele build, who's almost fully geared - that's how good she is. And Seele is rather decent for ice weathers when used with pardo
Hey Keeb, which stigmata is better in general for lighting DPS - Eden's Handle stigma or Aponia's Zeno? I got both but I can't tell which one to use. I have Darkbolt and Hawk of the fog as lighting DPS.
Is Monet T and Goemon MB still viable for Mobius? I am close to getting Goemon M and it's quite hard getting Handel mats so I'm curious if it's still viable for f2p mobius on Elysian Realm.
keeby: i got handel b from gacha, got handel t from box, and handel m from foundry he just like me fr (honestly though, my friends were so surprised when i had the full set in a day. i had an gaomon m that no one was using, and i farmed the g4 materials just for a stockpile of ether fuel)
After getting eden's guns I pulled another 10 for a Stig. Got margrave B. I was so close to getting day 1 4/4 eden. Now I guess it'll be a couple more weeks for me.
is HoS still doable this patch? She's the only valk I have that comes close to decently geared T Marco MB Dirac with lv 50 neb but she feels weak now with no more melee dmg buff in ER
Getting their weapon is more than enough because the weapon reveal their real play style (AE, HOS, BKE, CH, TP... - they are more or less toilet papper without their weapon)
i'm honestly unsure on what to do in 5.8~6.0, but i might go for an sp support over the herrscher of the year i skipped out on hofs since release so every once in a while i'm complaining like crazy only because she dominates those few weathers she's applicable for hofs and pe are a future investment plan for me because right now i am destroyed by resources and cannot afford 3 new valks + all of their gear like that especially because i'm lacking turgenev, waiting on that big time
@@crispyliciouschicken244 Even last patch's debuff on summoned entity, I'm still able to finish finality with Mobius. Aoe is the name of the game in ER. 🤟🏻
Keeby, what are better gears for aponia between fullset Hendel or Zhenyi T Hendel MB? I managed to get her but I don't have any crystal left for her equipment. Fortunately, I got a collector for choosing between Zhenyi T or Goemon T
@@celeschere9606 But aponia can't activate 35% TDM taken. Is it still good compared to Zhenyi T or Zeno T?. I'm lucky to got Zeno T on the first 10-pull
@@ikhwanrizqynurzaman7579 i think aponia can still proc the 20% td + 10% lightning.. couple that with the stigmata itself. i think its better! slr btw ;(
i’m still relatively new ish to honkai (level 63), got aponia and all her gears and i was physically sweating trying to get through hephaestus… haven’t even unlocked griseo signets LMAO
I wouldn't call PE a spike valk. It's a pretty big gap, between her and bke/Elysia/TP. but shes just half of the equation. Carole+pagan and HoS is where the other half the damage comes from. Shieldbreak Otto especially. Moral of the story. Support impact lol. Full support gear makes anything look like a spike valk
PE is a "spike" valk purely because she just beats the shit out of all IMG bosses in MA and Abyss and no one dares to stop her. Remove IMG enemies and she's basically on par with BKE/Elysia/TP DMG wise, regardless of supports. Also yes, Support Impact 3rd. It's so cost effective to get support gears than DPS gears now lmao
@@hershyijustshatmyself9253 this tbh kekw, not to mention the on release sp gear 30 guarantee is too good to pass by. The time it's very cheap to get full gear. I've stopped chasing for dps since it feels satisfying to get fullset sp gear for less xtals price.
but the other physical valks can't do the scores that PE do even if they also have paga and hos, your counterargument makes no sense, it's of course support impact, no one denied this.
The classification doesn't actually matter at all actually which is another reason I will prob never try to bring attention to this whole idea I had. The classification was there to say that even if PE/HoF are far ahead specifically on the weather they were designed for, the weather almost never shows up so you won't feel bad if you skipped. In any case, the spike only matters for RL promo and Nirvana retain which doesn't actually concern the majority of the playerbase anyway. Obviously MA is another topic to consider but I'm deliberately ignoring the mode to make the discussion easier.
Stigma affixes focused on 2 lines of ATK stat. Recommend to delve deeper on how the affix system works before you try it, otherwise you might regret it lol
9:12 u can thank people like unreal dreamer for spreading this misinformation...he litrally said u have to whale to be competitive in honkai....coz the dude has ss hof and pE and cant even clear elysian realm so he classes everyone the same his got this ego about himself that if he cant do it no1 can, and the most annoying thing is when his chat trys to help his like " yeah i know, but i like the animations better this way" 😂
I'd like if ppl don't throw shade to other content creators publicly here if you could help it please. Mostly I was referring to when people directly quote me incorrectly, for example "Keeb said x", when really I meant y.
Deliverence +2, setsuna +2, the additional 15 point buffs for ranged and evasion, physic mobs on bonus stages. Aponia er so easy this patch
Aphonia, HoR, HoT and Mobius is by far the easiest valks to use in ER, especially with deliverence and setsuna boost
@@varlnova1103 now vill v too but with setsuna buffs
@@dottore5552 well, it can't be helped right? I made that comment before vill-v being a playable valk even a thing, but yes, she's really good with helix2, setsuna1, stars2 and discipline2
omg i was wondering if you were gonna do aponia and eden. cant wait to watch this.
edit after watching: i love this video's discussion. the topic was hella interesting bc its kind of hard to get in depth meta knowledge like that. i wouldve loved if you went deeper into it honestly, i was hooked.
eden need to be sss required or just request lower to corrupt ss
one thing i also noticed is that, they rerun dps gear like herscherr gear much more often than sp gear. So you can also consider the frequency of gear rerun for your pull planning.
Yups, and when they do rerun SP gear, it's on the scam of a divine key banner that ends up giving you 50 weapon duplicates per stigma, and it's not even the stigma you needed >.
@@PrincessStabbityPLS yea, so get it on release which is very cheap with the 30 guarantee, even with horrendous luck, the 30 guarantee is there as clutch.
@@adibhasany817 since im kinda new i dont understand if bastet was 30 pull supply, why was handel in 50 drops? (got only 1 in 37 pulls ;-;)
@@glitched_matrix44 cus handel is farmable and you only need the gun from the supply
@@adibhasany817 too poor to pull
and i really get what you mean about every valkyrie being skippable. it's been so long since someone has been outright REPLACED (and i mean straight up, tp -> bke, same battlesuit type, same damage type) that no matter what valk you get now, there's going to be SOMEONE that can do her job similar. not BETTER, but with what you have, you're going to retain redlotus (and maybe nirvana. i dunno. i was there months ago, been dodging that place ever since)
iirc, the closest thing we've had to a replacement in recent times is hov -> silverwing, because there was literally no one else for bio ranged weather. (or ranged weather at all basically)
supports can make or break a team - very few valks nowaday have a significant drop off with ftp gears. while supports generally make things a lot easier/allow your dps to deal with new situations. like carole's stuff (pag) which is such a huge improvement to shield break. or pardo's stuff for freeze, zhenyi for lightning teams.
turg.
Honestly, i have SSS HoV and i don't really feel the need of getting silverwing. its not like i want to get 1st place every abyss bracket either and she still scores good, though if you only have her at S its kinda big oof, you want to be at least SS for her to be passable
Actually HoV is still capable of retaining Ranged assaka in Nirvana with SS3 or SSS, in RL obviously it is easier. Yes you need very high investment for her (lopsided favor towards silverwing), but it adds to the point that there are multiple options. Also true for Elysia on this boss.
@@keebsterafterdark6463is BN even viable for bio ranged weather anymore or just hard trolling?
@@keebsterafterdark6463 yeah, it's also possible to superinvest into one character and still do well enough to at least retain since there is powercreep, but not to the point where an sss/ss old valk can't compete with an s0 valk
Exactly I feel that sp valks and their gears are more important now than the S ranks.
"it's ok to skip" me, a collectionist: No I don't think I will
You sire is based
The door will change if u buy signet u cant get anymore, e.g u have 3 kevin (no core) and buy 2 in shop and next is double door, u cant get it anymore so the door will change.
but they don't need to play the animation of the doors respawning on every single signet purchase like its now, makes no sense, only in the case you described doors should respawn
HS is as close to being unskippable as it gets, you just can't play physical teams without her anymore at all.
Yeah, I returned after a long hiatus and the difference between Celestial Hymn and HoS is huge.
Like, it's near impossible to play physical teams in ex redlotus due to how clunky CH is (that and the fact that HoS has huge sp gen, true independent multiplier, time stop, longer impair time, off field application of newton B)
I've legit given up on physical and just brute force the stages with elemental teams
@@kalodawg8297 I recommend getting her as soon as she comes back, she's really fun to play; and I'd say her gauntlets are the main thing you should aim for if you don't have enough to roll
@@bashartz but if you already have nebulous duality, i don't think pulling for HoS' gauntlet is necessary, except you're going to rush MA
Yep it's support impact 3rd atm
do you need her shattered sword set in order to be a good support? cuz i salvage 2 out of the 3 pieces that i had-
I just love having having Keeb Malding ASMR playing in the background while I get work done.
Your commentary is actually good, it keebs me entertained for the entire run.
Sorry i had to do it.
They buffed ER by adding 10% health to the enemies. Also the 35% damage reduction makes Valkyries need to regen SP to reduce their resistance. Pair this with the need to pick signets that gives/make you/enemy damage makes this ER hard for me personally
It's wierd cause I find this ER easier for some reason, last patch corruption was my best with Pardo with Ana TB and Nohime M and the Craftable weapon, this patch I did Finality without any Issue. So I don't know why that is.
@@TheYeahzus Pardo does have high SP regen from her ult. she can reduce her ult cd,high SP regen from her combo attacks and almost impossible to get hit due to her I-frames so maybe that's why?idk cuz my felis is only S rank and literally no gear
What is your best built ER valk, right now I'm using either Spina, pardo or FR and they all do fine
@@justkookl5651 PE with signature weapon and T Stig with Elysia MB
Also I don't have Pri cuz I'm only level 75
Honestly i think this ER is better than the last patch one, though to be fair i do mostly use Mobius since i have her with both her signature gears (affixed too) and maxed out pri. The summoned entities dmg nerf last ER was big oof for her
I wonder how well Mobius does in F2P run now that Handel is released, not to mention the ranged and ulti eva buffs in this cycle
Thr doors keep updating if you buy a signet that was in their reward pool, if you buy the last buff of a door, the whole selection will randomize again
Hope this helps too
PS: I am writing this in the best RNG i had in my last playthrough and i did everything in order
Set-up
Item:
GENERAL: Abandoned (+1 Level for kevin signets)
SUPPORT: Because of you (To ensure 2x Ely signet on floor 7)
Support
- Hua: +Elem Dmg
- Pardofelis: +Total Dmg
Floor 1 & 2 i get these three Blessings for aponia (in order...)
- Admonition (floor 1)
- Shelter (floor 1)
- Inclusiveness (floor 2)
These three blessings already is an SP battery (12sp + minus 6 sec cd on ultimate / QTE) and the Dmg output already ranges from 100 to 300k above depending on your timing with the HUA and PARDO support
Floor 3 and 4
- I go with Kevin signets till i get (Shadow of deliverer)
Floor 5
- I go with Enhanced Kevin signets under Shadow of deliverer (any enhanced signet)
Floor 6 (Important)
-Here i chose to go to felis shop, the BECAUSE OF YOU item should already be fully charged: Activate it to force an EGO signet stage for floor 7
-After activation, change your SUPPORT ITEM to anything you want, I got IT WILL BE WRITTEN in my run
-Afterwards, its up to you if you enhance or buy another signet
Floor 7
- You should be able to ensure the 2x EGO here; completing all of your blessings
Then afterwards i focus on these two stigmas for the rest of the floors (As long as you for Kevin: shadow of deliverer, any order
- Kevin Stigma (Shadow of deliverer): I DO NOT GET THE PHYSICAL DMG BUFFS
- Hua Stigma (Vivid Vicissitude): At least i until i get FLEETING FANTASY + FORGOTTEN AND FORSAKEN
- Sakura Stigma (Setsuna Blade: Yasha): To force the ultimate evasion signets to activate
- Griseo: At least get the paint for Ultimate / Ultimate Evasion / Weapon Active
Good luck
I've been conflicted. I know SP supply is a super good deal, so I was thinking of getting Eden's guns, but I won't be getting Aponia and I still need to get Swords. So I kinda want Swords to give my physical team a huge burst especially since I'm lacking in lightning valks (I have S2 HoT and am considering getting seven thunders for her), and I feel like Eden isn't super nessecary. But idk lol.
I like Aponia and I like her animations but when you don't have money/crystals to spare you need to pick your battles I guess. I'm also expecting (moreso hoping) for next Herrescher to be an ice dps, since I'm again lacking a "newer" ice valk, if that isn't the case then I might not focus too much and instead finish whatever SP valks gears come in the patch.
well- your wish has been granted lmaoooo (herrscher ely is ice)
thanks for all these videos, your commentary is nice to listen to
Remind me of SW when she was released, No.2 in ER. Now, she is just OK strong
That depends on the current buffs. She's so strong in this patch again.
SW is good if you're fighting the long battle
But for EX lotus and MA HOR is much better
@@trantuankiet3080 lmao what is this cope, sw shits on hor for abyss and this is for er so you're not even on topic
@@minemine1611 eh, a bit weaker than last patch due to no +2 bodhi anymore but can still do 11-12m finality clears without maxed dorm and dkeys
@@raf4320 The support Sigil gives +1 if you pick bodhi support, also the starting buffs and stage effects are more accommodating to ranged valks compared to the previous version where the strongest buffs were for melee. I'd say its a lot better especially on earlier stages.
I totally agree with your point. The meta is shifting towards support gears and it's much more relaxed with DPSs choices and their equipment. I think this has to do with something you already said on another VOD about Honkai getting more casual with time (maybe to be more welcoming to Genshin players and new players in general) and this makes sense as we are also seeing some changes in ER difficulty, QoL stuff and more overall friendliness with the game's UI.
Personally I think this gives players a better time with planning, saving and choosing what DPS they really like/want, the case being just not skipping support gear supplies
33:43. Can you tell me how did you detach the seed? I guess it's attached to the host somehow
this video and your thoughts about the meta nowadays makes me wanna pull for aponia cause i rly like her playstyle but it's probably a bad idea since i have SW + SpA 3/4 and 4/4 respectively
So did I get this correct: if I have fully geared Eden and SS3 AK I'd better get Aponia instead of Silverwing (ranged bio) and new Herrscher?
He was saying that pulling SP valk gear is more important than new dps valks. Of course, this is assuming you already have a somewhat competitive alternative.
I think I get what you mean keeby with sp support gear you can't go wrong with it cuz it is always used in that team and some times in other teams ( turg - aslaug ) but with s ranks i think most of them just became spike valkyries
Also what category would you put s rank supports? ( I think they would be just a must have cuz all comes to mind is AE and HoS )
The only 'must-have' S-rank support I think is just HoS right now. AE is slowly getting phased with newer dedicated elemental support like Felis, Eden, etc.
HoS at the very moment is still the backbone of literally all physical team and I don't think the upcoming Griseo would change that.
@@ahmadyulinu but think about it this way for a new player you can just reroll for AE in dorm supply cuz she is basically free but for someone in exalted or something the subject gets really complicated whether you get AE or not personally I don't have her but if you have her she just makes your life easier that is what I think
@@ahmadyulinu AE is still the best universal support for elemental teams despite being replaced in certain elements. And she still can't be replaced in fire teams, she's considered one of the best supports in fire teams.
Despite me having have a full-geared hoR she still couldn't clear Universal Mirage until I got Felis with her full gear. (1/4 Turg)
Felis, Eden, Fischl is a must have for those certain elemental teams branches
How are you clearing floor 4 bonus stage!? I have Hendel Full set on her and her BiS weapon pri armed and I cant even finish it
Is there a specific play style for aponia in er? I did all of ur playthrough on corruption with sig weapon and handel stigs (with wang on T) but i still cant get past that buffy robot…
Hey! Where have you been I've missed you
omg i wasn’t expecting this so soon… 🤭
Could I do this with 2 p of her stigma and her signature weapon i wonder? Missing the center one and i got a darwin as placeholder. Also i don't have all those support items options yet
Damn this one was really easy imo. Handel is such a good stig set
I hope you're not planning on doing Eden ER below SSS rank, her damage is just lacking below that rank imo.
im confused then who do you save and roll for besides support gear like if you want to realistically retain in nirvana what would would be the base requirements?
Quite hard to answer since it's account dependent. Generally you build towards one complete and MODERN team, which will be able to be best on their weather, and also manage to do well enough on probably 50%ish (RL) of "off" weathers to just retain or even promote. From there you work towards your weaknesses.
Unfortunately I can't really give advice for cope Nirvana clears because it does actually require immense game knowledge, it changes patch to patch and investment thresholds are very volatile for them. Each boss has a "cope" dps as well, if you don't have it then it's also tough luck. For example, for Nihilus Husk if you do not want to use Aponia you will need a maxed out FR, or in the future, a similarly invested HoT. Silverwing is also an option if full gear, but only for hitcount. I can describe the situation for each boss (like for type counter andrius, SpA retained), but as you can tell it's a very hard situation to fully understand.
Tbh i think if u just pull support gear even if ur using f2p valks u can do well cus it's all about the supports in this game
I only wanted a handel M or B out of 5600 crystal and bruuhhh I got - Fu hua margrave T, Nue of the shadow ,eden's Gun and Allan Poe M
Why Gacha gods!!!!!!
If you got the gun then its way more valuable than any Handel piece since there won't be any guarantees on it later, meanwhile with Handel you get one from box + can craft it using Goemon bought from BP
I love you keeby
i wish he made a statement that he's quitting or smth just for closure but ig he doesn't owe us anything. i miss keeby.
I’ve been trying to use aponia in recent ER runs and found that a mobius build also worked pretty well w/ her, if you go with the summoned entity ego signets? and since I also used the handel set, it works super well? honestly I think support sets are more important than dps ones can be sometimes?
Yes, mobius also works well on her. She can use a wide variety of signets
Im really torn between getting Aponia or Silverwing, their impact to my account is so similar that it comes down to which feel better to play :((
As someone who has both, when you’re playing Aponia in normal gameplay you end up using the other balls on the team way more than actually Aponia because of the way her conviction mechanic works, whereas Silverwing is much more traditional, you use her basic atks non stop, rly high range but more single target, etc.
For *me* I prefer Silverwing mainly because I love guns and she’s basically my dream playstyle and aesthetic, but I’ve been finding Aponia fun too because Eden is my fave valk rn and the fact I get to play on field a lot is great, plus Aponia ult animation is amazing
Meta wise , aponia at S rank is as strong or stronger than S1-2 Bronya because of the banner bronya had when she was out the first time so most people have her at a higher rank , if you have Mobius or HOT ( with the weapon next patch ) you really don't need aponia while bronya is the only good? Ice dps , in the end like he said in the video there's not a MUST have valk besides HOS so you're free to choose based on your waifu taste
If u aight got Mobius get aponia
I kinda disagree with what others have said because having Mobius actually doesn't give you any reasons to skip Aponia because Mobius cannot cover any of her weathers. As for the change between SW or Aponia, I'd say you should consider what team is geared best: lightning or ice? If it's ice then go for Bronya, if it's lightning then for Aponia. But! I also wouldn't say that SW is the only good ice dps rn, HoR, Nyx and even AKA (at SS) can hold their ground really well so if you have them geared up then again you won't benefit as much from SW
@@akilun tbh funny enough AKA can still be usable in ice weather for red lotus, as someone who's managed to get first place in their batch (plus top 8% in EU - which probs isn't a lot but to me is a massive achievement). Like she managed to surpass my Seele build, who's almost fully geared - that's how good she is. And Seele is rather decent for ice weathers when used with pardo
You beat finality with f2p S aponia and i can't beat inferno with 4/4 pri arm S SpA... respect dude 👁️👄👁️
He has a shit load of divine keys which upgrade his damage quite a lot plus he's heavily strategizing it.
@@elysiaherscherrofhuman2508 ok but still
why u dont play hua? i saw er guide hua early game
why hits more than mine? I have it set top to full :(
THANKS! this really worked, wow dude! I like you!
Hey Keeb, which stigmata is better in general for lighting DPS - Eden's Handle stigma or Aponia's Zeno? I got both but I can't tell which one to use. I have Darkbolt and Hawk of the fog as lighting DPS.
Is Monet T and Goemon MB still viable for Mobius? I am close to getting Goemon M and it's quite hard getting Handel mats so I'm curious if it's still viable for f2p mobius on Elysian Realm.
i have mobius without her weapon but i got aponia with her weapon, i saw mobius is king in this content, who's better for me?
could you do a run with burst hot?
Are you and keebster same guy? Why new channel?
keeby: i got handel b from gacha, got handel t from box, and handel m from foundry
he just like me fr
(honestly though, my friends were so surprised when i had the full set in a day. i had an gaomon m that no one was using, and i farmed the g4 materials just for a stockpile of ether fuel)
After getting eden's guns I pulled another 10 for a Stig.
Got margrave B. I was so close to getting day 1 4/4 eden. Now I guess it'll be a couple more weeks for me.
I got handel m from the box, and I got a second one from gacha, I regret opening box first I got it with the gun tho which makes it less dreadful
Yeah, pretty much the same here, only that my M was from gacha and B was from foundry.
i had to go till pity for eden guns and got handel T, did another 10 pull for pardo skin and got handel B so i got M from box
is HoS still doable this patch? She's the only valk I have that comes close to decently geared T Marco MB Dirac with lv 50 neb but she feels weak now with no more melee dmg buff in ER
The buffs is more favored to ranged characters with quick sp regen. But it's probably still possible considering I cleared with Felis
So should i pull for Aponia or.... Pull for SW gear... I'm really concern right now...
So can I use aponia in abyss without her signature gear (zeno,lost conviction) ?
Getting their weapon is more than enough because the weapon reveal their real play style (AE, HOS, BKE, CH, TP... - they are more or less toilet papper without their weapon)
Her weapon is best since not very good replacements. But free stigs and her sig weapon should be good
Are you trying Eden also?
Yo keebster can u do like some fr dps Handel comparison, i guess we all need it!!
i'm honestly unsure on what to do in 5.8~6.0, but i might go for an sp support over the herrscher of the year
i skipped out on hofs since release so every once in a while i'm complaining like crazy only because she dominates those few weathers she's applicable for
hofs and pe are a future investment plan for me because right now i am destroyed by resources and cannot afford 3 new valks + all of their gear like that
especially because i'm lacking turgenev, waiting on that big time
Keebster be making prediction again
Will you be doing an Eden run?
Is it only to me or does Aponia make Elysian Realm look sooo easy?
Ikr, even Mobius aswell. Well, maybe because this weeks ER is biased towards them 😂
Overall they are definitely op in ER.
this patch ER buff caters to ranged dmg dealers
Everyone has a dedicated nuke thanks to the second signet slot.
@@crispyliciouschicken244 Even last patch's debuff on summoned entity, I'm still able to finish finality with Mobius. Aoe is the name of the game in ER. 🤟🏻
@@earlvinceenero4885 Fr Mobius too op.
Why not go live instead of recording?
Keeby, what are better gears for aponia between fullset Hendel or Zhenyi T Hendel MB? I managed to get her but I don't have any crystal left for her equipment. Fortunately, I got a collector for choosing between Zhenyi T or Goemon T
i am not keeby but i think go full handel. the threeset is too good to pass up ^_^
@@celeschere9606 But aponia can't activate 35% TDM taken. Is it still good compared to Zhenyi T or Zeno T?. I'm lucky to got Zeno T on the first 10-pull
@@ikhwanrizqynurzaman7579 i think aponia can still proc the 20% td + 10% lightning.. couple that with the stigmata itself. i think its better! slr btw ;(
Looking forward to Eden.
Got handel and echo. No losing sp valk
Is this better than Zeno set?
i’m still relatively new ish to honkai (level 63), got aponia and all her gears and i was physically sweating trying to get through hephaestus… haven’t even unlocked griseo signets LMAO
Keeb. You think S Eden can Finality? w/Echo + Handel 3?
Likely, if you've seen some of the vids on this channel there's certainly weaker things I've cleared with
@@keebsterafterdark6463 VG *cough*
I still couldn't clear VG, LK and IR either so skill issues
just get good 4head
Oh shidd
The After-Dank
Nice one. Waiting for eden
W Gilded librae , 2 edison , one zeno and im lvl 63 ... i beat elysian realm in 05 : 00 minutes ... i dont expect haha😅
Thought you were skipping aponia?
read the description
I wouldn't call PE a spike valk.
It's a pretty big gap, between her and bke/Elysia/TP. but shes just half of the equation. Carole+pagan and HoS is where the other half the damage comes from. Shieldbreak Otto especially.
Moral of the story. Support impact lol. Full support gear makes anything look like a spike valk
PE is a "spike" valk purely because she just beats the shit out of all IMG bosses in MA and Abyss and no one dares to stop her. Remove IMG enemies and she's basically on par with BKE/Elysia/TP DMG wise, regardless of supports.
Also yes, Support Impact 3rd. It's so cost effective to get support gears than DPS gears now lmao
@@hershyijustshatmyself9253 this tbh kekw, not to mention the on release sp gear 30 guarantee is too good to pass by. The time it's very cheap to get full gear. I've stopped chasing for dps since it feels satisfying to get fullset sp gear for less xtals price.
but the other physical valks can't do the scores that PE do even if they also have paga and hos, your counterargument makes no sense, it's of course support impact, no one denied this.
The classification doesn't actually matter at all actually which is another reason I will prob never try to bring attention to this whole idea I had. The classification was there to say that even if PE/HoF are far ahead specifically on the weather they were designed for, the weather almost never shows up so you won't feel bad if you skipped. In any case, the spike only matters for RL promo and Nirvana retain which doesn't actually concern the majority of the playerbase anyway. Obviously MA is another topic to consider but I'm deliberately ignoring the mode to make the discussion easier.
How to get 1227 atk
Divine keys help. a lot
Stigma affixes focused on 2 lines of ATK stat. Recommend to delve deeper on how the affix system works before you try it, otherwise you might regret it lol
Idk why but hearing keeby said “cringe” makes me laugh
Are you going to skip valks and not post content in here? Sadge :(
No I will post all new valks cuz I've decided I at least want to own all valks for collection and sample gameplay purposes
Man, just use QTE after Ulti for cd bro. It will be more faster
just found your 2nd channel
Eden please.
Legit half the views in this video are mine tryna copy the run perfectly coz my ass is too dumb to do this on my own
Try eden f2p please
Youre crazy
39:41 sub keeby to 39:50 dom keeby real quick 😳
I love your profile pics keebs, liliya is absolutely adorable
9:12 u can thank people like unreal dreamer for spreading this misinformation...he litrally said u have to whale to be competitive in honkai....coz the dude has ss hof and pE and cant even clear elysian realm so he classes everyone the same his got this ego about himself that if he cant do it no1 can, and the most annoying thing is when his chat trys to help his like " yeah i know, but i like the animations better this way" 😂
tbf UD is a tuber you watch for fun, not for advice XD
I'd like if ppl don't throw shade to other content creators publicly here if you could help it please. Mostly I was referring to when people directly quote me incorrectly, for example "Keeb said x", when really I meant y.