As someone who has always found Mario World to be the pinnacle of 2D Mario, I now completely understand why Wonder was the first game to ever match it for me.
Honestly though, I feel like SMB3 had more distinct levels than SMW. In SMW, it's mostly caves and grass worlds, while SMB3 has much mure variety. And even though SMW has different types of grass levels, same goes for SMB3 which has both the wooden stage looking one as well as the actual grass variant in the Paragoomba level
I can definitely see that as well. When I was writing the video, I actually contemplated talking about the variety of level types in Mario 3 because I agree, they are very distinct. It just didn't really fit in with the rest of the video. Both are definitely phenomenal games.
Something I was very happy to see in Wonder was that the little scenes after beating a castle in Mario World returned. They're super cute, and help make you feel like you really accomplished something.
I didn't even realize that was a similarity these two share! Very good comparison, and ya it definitely makes the adventure feel more fulfilling even if they are small scenes
This pretty much sums up why I loved wonder so much. I didn't care much for the original mario bros games but super mario world is one of my all time favourites.
The Mario wiki page has a very long list of Super Mario World references that I don't think putting it in one comment is enough. It really feels like a modern sequel to Super Mario World simply from the first few levels.
Very specific, but the in-level ground tilesets in both games have a big similarity: if you take the grass texture for example, the grass in other 2D Marios is mostly only on top of the terrain, but in World and Wonder it wraps all the way around. Same goes for sand or any other surface. Very specific but as an artists, I catch dumb details like that.
@@aidan_548 Yeah totally! I‘d say it goes for the artstyle on general, the Wonder character models definitely replicate that SMW cartoonyness super well, which you touched on with Yoshi‘s example, as well. But for some reason, the tilesets is what made me realize those similarities first and from there, I was already sold since it showed Nintendo’s willingness to re-think absolutely everything about 2D Mario, like the Goombas bite animation, too. Miyamoto said they were always supposed to bite Mario, but in the NES games they couldn’t have that amount of detail and after that they just forgot about that until now.
King Florian wants to save his sla- I mean apprentices from Bowser. Mario World Yoshi wants to save eggs. also, In mario world Yoshi can walk across spikes and "bump" on Spinies, in Mario Wonder Yoshi can't hold the player while on spikes, and will "take" Damage from falling on Spinies.
I feel like I keep hearing people saying that “Wonder is like a new insert mario title”. Whether they say its like 3, World, or the an actual new NSMB I can’t help but feel like they are ALL correct. This video does a great job at highlighting the similarities to world, but ask anybody what how their favorite mario game is/was then ask them to compare it to wonder, and regardless of their game of choice they’ll have endless things to say.
Definitely an interesting look at it. I've always been a huge Mario fan myself so I love all of these games (even the new soup games 😂) I just always found that out of all of them, it relates to Mario World the most. Although to give your comment some credence, Mario World is my favorite 2D game. Very valid point though!
Honestly, I was very close to having a section on movement as well based primarily on the shell throwing mechanic. Crazy how it hasn't been seen since Mario world
A few of these might be direct inspirations, while others are coincidental. But if this game got a successor with a similar gimmick, I'd like to go with a star theme since this one went for flowers. And also either go the Super Mario 3D World route where each character has differences or entirely distinct movesets ala Sonic Adventure.
I definitely do agree that it is a good mix of intentional and coincidental. And that sounds like an amazing concept for a Wonder sequel, especially considering the development team have been hitting at a potential sequel with how many ideas they had for the first (the same thing happened with Mario Galaxy)
We could also have a DLC story starring Prince Florian as the protagonist. And I think a large gap in the up left corner of the map of the flower kingdom alludes to that.@@aidan_548
I can understand the sentiment, but as a Kirby fan as well, I have to disagree. Although most 2D Kirby games aren't on the same level as Mario in my opinion. Superstar was cool though
As someone who has always found Mario World to be the pinnacle of 2D Mario, I now completely understand why Wonder was the first game to ever match it for me.
Honestly though, I feel like SMB3 had more distinct levels than SMW. In SMW, it's mostly caves and grass worlds, while SMB3 has much mure variety. And even though SMW has different types of grass levels, same goes for SMB3 which has both the wooden stage looking one as well as the actual grass variant in the Paragoomba level
I can definitely see that as well. When I was writing the video, I actually contemplated talking about the variety of level types in Mario 3 because I agree, they are very distinct. It just didn't really fit in with the rest of the video. Both are definitely phenomenal games.
It's kind of confusing that wonder and world have the same abbreviation.
@@haroeneissa790 Technically not, Wonder is SMBW and World is just SWW
Something I was very happy to see in Wonder was that the little scenes after beating a castle in Mario World returned. They're super cute, and help make you feel like you really accomplished something.
I didn't even realize that was a similarity these two share! Very good comparison, and ya it definitely makes the adventure feel more fulfilling even if they are small scenes
Hey I really liked this video! You're great at making Mario content. Keep it up!!
Thank you man, I really appreciate it!
Another thing: Both are good and memorable games!
Very true! Although I think that one's a given 😂😂
This pretty much sums up why I loved wonder so much. I didn't care much for the original mario bros games but super mario world is one of my all time favourites.
The Mario wiki page has a very long list of Super Mario World references that I don't think putting it in one comment is enough. It really feels like a modern sequel to Super Mario World simply from the first few levels.
I'm sure that wiki page is huge! In terms of small individual similarities I could have easily made a video about at least 20 of these things
I can attest the fact that SMB Wonder does indeed share similarities with Super Mario World which I find it so appealing.
Very specific, but the in-level ground tilesets in both games have a big similarity: if you take the grass texture for example, the grass in other 2D Marios is mostly only on top of the terrain, but in World and Wonder it wraps all the way around. Same goes for sand or any other surface. Very specific but as an artists, I catch dumb details like that.
That's actually really cool! I definitely didn't notice that at all, but it's wild that they both share that crazy little detail!
@@aidan_548 Yeah totally! I‘d say it goes for the artstyle on general, the Wonder character models definitely replicate that SMW cartoonyness super well, which you touched on with Yoshi‘s example, as well. But for some reason, the tilesets is what made me realize those similarities first and from there, I was already sold since it showed Nintendo’s willingness to re-think absolutely everything about 2D Mario, like the Goombas bite animation, too. Miyamoto said they were always supposed to bite Mario, but in the NES games they couldn’t have that amount of detail and after that they just forgot about that until now.
@@geschnitztekiste4111 oh for sure, and wow I never actually knew the goobmas were supposed to bite either! Guess I'm learning some new things 😂😂
Can't wait for Super Mario Wonder to get a boatload of Creepypastas like how Super Mario World did. Those were the days.
Dude I forgot about those 😂😂😂😂
@@aidan_548 I didn't. It's part of SMW's identity with how common these are made about the game somehow.
King Florian wants to save his sla- I mean apprentices from Bowser. Mario World Yoshi wants to save eggs. also, In mario world Yoshi can walk across spikes and "bump" on Spinies, in Mario Wonder Yoshi can't hold the player while on spikes, and will "take" Damage from falling on Spinies.
It really is weird how those abilities Yoshi had in Mario just kinda exist and don't at the same time 😂😂
I feel like I keep hearing people saying that “Wonder is like a new insert mario title”. Whether they say its like 3, World, or the an actual new NSMB I can’t help but feel like they are ALL correct. This video does a great job at highlighting the similarities to world, but ask anybody what how their favorite mario game is/was then ask them to compare it to wonder, and regardless of their game of choice they’ll have endless things to say.
Definitely an interesting look at it. I've always been a huge Mario fan myself so I love all of these games (even the new soup games 😂) I just always found that out of all of them, it relates to Mario World the most. Although to give your comment some credence, Mario World is my favorite 2D game. Very valid point though!
If Yoshi's Island didn't exist Wonder would basically be Mario World 2
i ask nontendo to please base the next game on fruits
Wonder is definitely up there with the best mainline Mario games
It absolutely is!
the main thing: u can throw up shells to sky
Honestly, I was very close to having a section on movement as well based primarily on the shell throwing mechanic. Crazy how it hasn't been seen since Mario world
A few of these might be direct inspirations, while others are coincidental. But if this game got a successor with a similar gimmick, I'd like to go with a star theme since this one went for flowers. And also either go the Super Mario 3D World route where each character has differences or entirely distinct movesets ala Sonic Adventure.
I definitely do agree that it is a good mix of intentional and coincidental. And that sounds like an amazing concept for a Wonder sequel, especially considering the development team have been hitting at a potential sequel with how many ideas they had for the first (the same thing happened with Mario Galaxy)
We could also have a DLC story starring Prince Florian as the protagonist. And I think a large gap in the up left corner of the map of the flower kingdom alludes to that.@@aidan_548
Did you know it’s Mah-ree-oh not May-ree-oh
the names. SMBW and SMW like mario wonder is just mario world but with a b
I bet they included the Bros to make the acronyms different
Kirby superstar was, admittedly garbage, until the remake.
As someone who loves the remake to death, still disagree.
I can understand the sentiment, but as a Kirby fan as well, I have to disagree. Although most 2D Kirby games aren't on the same level as Mario in my opinion. Superstar was cool though