such an iconic line truly a masterwork of script writing for the angry giant Thanos not to mention his yellow color looking like a lemon and his wrinkled forehead :)
Mobius was EASILY my favorite character. He felt so real and had a good sense of humor while still trying to get his job done. He has the audience point of view of Loki in this timeline trying to break through to who Loki really is. I can’t wait for him to get back next season
Me and my friends also appreciated Mobius and we would call him kachow cause he voice lightning McQueen. But when he died I actually felt something cause he was an actual human. You know had his interests.
I feel like he works because he was put with Loki. Mobius only told the truth, or at least what he thought was the truth, at the beginning of the season. Loki was a lying, scheming, rascal who betrayed him at every turn. Then, at the end, Loki has become the one telling the truth and the one looking out for others while Mobius is using deceit and trickery to beat the TVA. The characters, being total opposites, were able to build off of each other through the season and you almost don’t notice because it happens so naturally.
The score is absolutely fan-fucking-tastic. The end credits theme of episode 2 and the opening theme of episode 5 are just sooo good. I saw someone suggest that they would like to see Holt's take on Star Wars and I'm absolutely down for it.
@@daspoopenfarten_ Lol it's way worse. After the gods were about to lose a bet with a builder thanks to Loki's influence, they forced him to do something about it. So he transformed into a mare and got pp'ed by the builder's stallion, then gave birth to Sleipnir, another stallion, but with 8 legs.
It’s slower paced but it’s not boring, the things being talked about keeps you hooked and the finale was so good, the lack of a massive sky battle was nice as that’s not what this show needed, definitely the best of the 3
@@eliascelis1632 same here. It was getting SO interesting and then it’s like, oh. It’s just a big CGI fight and none of this really matters anyway. Gotcha
this was one of the first marvel IPs that had good ost to me. Usually they just invest in featured tracks and have the ost fade away as background nosie, but this one the compositions got some time to shine in quieter scenes
I swear, Loki looks better than most MCU movies. Maybe not in the technical sense like the objective quality of the CGI and such, but the cinematography, color grading and style feels way more cinematic IMO.
i think what it is is it feels unique, the entire vibe and presentation is so different from a movie like, say, civil war, which feels a lot more Standard Big Movie. and thats not necessarily bad, but it is really really good to see something unique from the mcu. and i think loki knocked it out of the effing park.
never would I dream that the term "selfcest" would be discussed beyond extremely questionable internet forums, let alone be a major plot point of a mega-budget Disney television project. What a time to be alive
@@aimbotarrow5981 Depends on whether there is also a mind upload included in the deal, if it's just your exact DNA then it's no different from other forms of child molestation, or incest with your children, you're perving on someone born from your genes. If they have your memories, even if they don't have your _exact_ dna, then it's selfcest.
This is the first MCU property where the music is distinct and recognizable. That main end theme was stuck in my head for a week after the first episode. Also the fact that nothing really happened in the finale( as in big space laser or battle) is such a breath of fresh air.
Sadly, he got sidelined in his *Own* show! Ever since Sylvie appeared, they make him a side character and he just there to get his ass kicked by everyone.
@@margarethmichelina5146 yeah i was annoyed with how weak he was, hes a super strong frost giant (albeit a runt) alien god (kinda) he was getting slapped around by fat black women in goofy suits. His inconsistent strength aside I generally liked him and the show
It's setting up the What-If show, Dr Strange 2: Multiverse of Madness (Wanda Vision did that too), Spider-Man 3: No Way Home, and Ant-Man 3: Quantum Mania.
honestly, the absolute best part of the show Has to be tom hiddleston. his performance as loki was amazing, and his charisma really carried every single scene he was in (and probably contributed to everyone’s love for this character in the first place)
When I heard about the show I was like "Well if you just put Tom in a room and let him act for 35 minutes I would watch it, so anything after that is icing on the cake"
I just realized that the road he's referring to had to have been the entire MCU. He created apocalypses for Sylvie to hide in and used the avengers and Thanos to get Loki to the TVA. Everything we have ever watched was his doing.
@@enriquesaenz3574 You could be right, but I personally think it's more like the timeline contains a bunch of events naturally and he makes minor changes to make sure that things end up the way he wants them. Like maybe he didn't make the apocalypses, but he did steer Sylvie towards them so that she could figure out to hide in them. That still means that he's letting the apocalypses happen rather than preventing them, but it's not clear how much power he actually has beyond being all seeing and having his agency. It could be that making huge changes is prone to creating unmanageable new timelines. Actually, now I think about it, that is exactly the point of the "sacred timeline". The sacred timeline is shown as a single main timeline with small branches splitting from it, but in reality a split should be equal with no timeline being favoured over the other. He Who Remains is selecting the branches that will lead to the outcome he wants and deleting the rest, it's only presented as a single "sacred timeline" to keep up the pretense that the TVA are doing the right thing by culling the other branches.
SPOILER TALK: Loki as a character has this core of self-loathing that is touched on in the movies. It is somewhat touched on in the show, but they don't hit you over the head with it. Our Loki falling in love with Sylvie is yes, narcissistic, but it also shows that they're willing to love "themselves." I thought the romance was a nice addition to the show.
My only beef with this show is the fighting choreography. It’s so stiff and just not what I expect from Marvel. I know it’s a show and note a movie, but it’s so bad at times. Other than that, I love the show. The story is great and I love how creative they got with it
yup alot of times just making the choice to forget that obviously fake bit or that clunky by the numbers movie sword fighting lunge there, and it was easy cause of the story and characters.
My beef is definitely the quality of the CGI and things alike. After watching the Mandalorian, I was expecting other Disney+ shows to carry similar quality. But it looked a lot like power rangers(specifically episode 3). Hopefully it can look better in the future, but if not I will still be happy with the outcome.
Marvels movies always have pretty meh to bad choreography, also the fight scenes are edited rlly weird cuz they use stuntmen for every single fight scene.
Also they just seemed to have forgotten that Loki has super human strength lol… he was getting shoved around by human when in the first Avengers even Captain America’s punches couldn’t move him.
@@manavbhalla2861 and rewinding that tower falling down on them... but can only pull a romba to him before? I thought they were hinting at a reveal later like some sort of time turning macguffin with that... and then nothing! What?
He is forgetting that mammals have already been successfully cloned before. Hell if it were legal, human cloneing might already be possible with current technology.
@@SoraYoshi182 biggest hangup on current cloning is DNA damage. DNA has a limited number of times it can be replicated, which is why healing and general upkeep of the body deteriorate over time and we eventually die. It's possible to take an adult and clone their DNA, but the clone will have a significantly shortened lifespan due to the wear and tear of the original DNA used. There are ways to repair the DNA, but these tend to have other effects on the growth process, and that's where current cloning is. By other effects, I do mean uncontrolled growth and cancer (fun fact: there is an "immortal" group of cells from Henrietta Lacks that are immortal. While she is deceased, her cells that were harvested in 1951 are still used today and have been critical in many new technologies such as in vitro fertilization and genome mapping)
In the first episode, when Loki is checked into the TVA, his file says “Sex: Fluid,” so I guess we actually did get some confirmation of him being gender fluid, even though Disney probably won’t want to explore it.
It's tricky because all non-binary people are desperate for some representation, but in the MCU being gender fluid is not that special. Unless you count regular earth/midguard. To focus too much on it would make it feel really ham fisted. Loki doesn't make being fluid a big part of his identity, so it shouldn't be a big part of the show.
@@Drake00000010 I think they're saying that its not a big part of his identity at all since asguard is different in regards to customs compared to earth so it wouldnt make sense for the show to dwell on it too much because then it would feel forced and unatural
@@Drake00000010 Believe it or not, people who are comfortable with their gender/sex identities and aren't discriminated against for it don't feel the need to talk about it at all. They just live their lives because it's normalized for them.
@@splicerslicer7906 Then show how its normal for him then. The guy said it shouldn't be shown at all. You people seem just not want that side of Loki at all even thought its big part f his character.
I think it's funny that people hated that he was gender fluid and freaked out over it when in Norse Mythology, it's literally the only thing he has, he eats apples to stay immortal and he can shapeshift into different animals and change his sex, being genderfluid is literally just his only power
@@misspriss2482 it's honestly how I always saw their relationship tbh. The show talks about free will. That grouping a set of people like the Loki variants is terrible cuz not every Loki is back stabbing, conniving, mustache twirling villan. Some got hurt only because the TVA messed with them for no reason at least not a valid one. Plus even the other Loki variants in episode 5 seemed kinda surprised that a female variant of them exists. Plus Sylvie is also trying to form her own path and to distance herself from the Loki title Plus we can see that she cares about Loki. I think her kissing him and then pushing him into the TVA in a different timeline was a way to protect him but she immediately regrets her decision cuz she was blinded by rage because of what the TVA has done to her
@@BostonMBrand Maybe in the Ancestral Plane, I think his decision at the end of BP seemed pretty concrete. I personally don't like this fandom nonsense about "well what if x didn't really die" for every character they like, because if we're being honest 99% of the time the answer is that the story wouldn't be as interesting. Richard Grant's Loki is literally the fan theory of "what if Thanos didn't really kill Loki" and you know what? I don't need to watch thousands of years of Loki aging and self-reflecting alone on a barren planet. It only works here for the sake of being a supporting piece of new Loki's story.
@@1Seanmb true. That make sense and I agree Killmonger’s story ended in a good way but I wouldn’t be surprised if Disney brought back dead characters. The only character I don’t see them bringing back past What if is T’Challa, but that’s just out of respect for the late, great Chadwick Boseman.
they've confirmed also that What If will tie into the rest of the MCU which leads me to believe that this Killmonger BP that they've showed off in What If is going to be our new mainline BP, and I'm 100% on board with that
Kang has to be one of the best villain introductions. This man single handedly destroyed a multiverse, took over time and space, ended free will, controls ALL life, and defeat armies of himself aka gods, and calls himself the devil. And there are versions that he calls evil and scare him. That is terrifying and I can’t want to see his variates. The fact that the statue Kang didn’t even create Time Keepers and wants the TVA to know who their master is.
i love that we get a badass villain without losing his human side. We got told about his overwhelming power, but we also saw him sad, confused, confident, tired, angry, manipulative, genuine and powerless. We saw a bunch of sides of his character right on the introduction. That's honestly fantastic. Whoever wrote that episode had a moment of genius, no mcu villain is like that and that episode was only half the lenght of a movie
It’s not selfcest when the other version of you is completely genetically different. The black Loki or the alligator Loki probably weren’t born to Laufey. It’s safe to assume, Sylvie is genetically different and may just be a random frost giant Odin found and could be genetically different. Being a Loki has more to do with being the god of mischief and the role he plays.
Loki's a natural shapeshifter who is both gender fluid and racial fluid. I'm pretty sure every Loki started off as a frost giant son of Laufey who was then adopted by Odin, and from there they begin to diverge from each other.
@@lorraine4786 She might not have trained that ability to the same extent as the Loki we know, but she can do it. Why else does she look like an asgardian instead of a frost giant? Also she went from having black hair as a kid to blond hair as an adult. The first time we see Loki shapeshift is when he's a baby. He couldn't have consciously known what he was doing at the time which implies that his shapeshifting can happen involuntarily due to subconscious triggers. Whenever he's exposed to extreme cold he reverts back to his original frost giant form, when he was picked up by Odin and imprinted on him he subconsciously took on an Asgardian form, and I'm willing to bet that at various points in his life when he was feeling feminine he took on a female form even before he learned to shapeshift at will.
@@mirrorzone5224 mm, I'll be honest, I didnt remember that we'd seen loki shapeshift as a baby. As for why I thought she didnt look like a frost giant, I just figured that she simply wasnt a frost giant. I guess I just figured odin picked her up on a different planet to adopt her. And with the hair thing it actually went from brown to blond which actually isnt that weird. Its definately less common than when peoples hair darken as they age, but it is possible for a persons hair to naturally lighten as they age. But you do have a good point that she probably can shapeshift naturally, she just isnt as good at it and its harder for her probably?
@@mirrorzone5224 No that's the thing people are not grasping, every Loki is different, that's why they are called variants and not clones. There is a diffrence between alternate timelines and alternate universes. For example, The Tva Loki is genetically and physically identical to ragnarok loki but is a variant because he escaped from his destined path. Upto 2012 both of them have had the exact same experiences and situations, molding them into the characters they are today. But from that point in time they have had different experiences, making the Tva Loki a variant but still sharing the same genetic structure with ragnarok loki When we talk about alternate universes, we should keep in mind that all the Loki variants have a similar part to play in the universe but are never truly identical. The only thing they have in common is a temporal aura. Even the situations throughout there lives is different because that's how alternative universes work, there will always be a difference. Let's say in boastful Loki's universe, Laufey was a woman or in Sylvie's universe, Odin and Frigga never had a child and she was an only child. The situations are never really the same. And as you mentioned, even if Loki is a shapeshifter, he/she/they will never really take someone's genetic structure, he only changes his appearance.
I want Jonathan Majors to have his own cameos in every movie, but half the time he's just in the background, out of focus, reacting to a scene. Then he's gone when the camera cuts back.
Ahhh, that actually makes a lot of sense. The main reason that I didn’t think the romance was rushed was because i had a week to let it process, whereas you didn’t
Owen and Tom had amazing chemistry, and the actor for the spoiler character was PERFECT. I literally went back to rewatch that episode just to watch that performance again
Falcon and Winter Soldier reminded me of the old MCU, WandaVision hooked me, and Loki brought me back to the MCU in a way I haven't felt since Endgame.
I love the MCU, but this, this ended becoming one my favorite things overall in the entire franchise, and the cherries on top were Richard E. Grant and Jonathan Majors performances. I also had a feeling you would like it, because by now, I can tell your taste. The weirder it is, the more you like it, you're hatred for the grounded side, and you just liking the MCU, but not loving it enough if it just ended at Endgame, like others I've seen around. Still, the fact I'm getting more of this through out the MCU, plus other storylines is what keeps me going!
I love mcu too but their quality of production has dropped tremendously. Bad fight scenes. Decent cgi. No or bare minimum character development etc. Wandavision was good but falcon and winter soldier? Nah man I ain't watching that shit.
Fun fact: In the original Norse myths of Loki he cuts off Thors wifes hair in revenge and is later threatened to have all his bones broken if he doesn't fix it. I think that was where they got the idea for the time loop scene with Lady Sif.
@@lightbluej9411 well actually Loki isn't Asgardian he's a frost walker, they start it up as if she was actually born on Asgard and is the real Loki while our Loki was just adopted
It’s nice to see someone actually acknowledging the brilliance of this show. Many RUclipsrs just shit on whatever Marvel releases. Don’t get me wrong there are some bad apples in the Marvel garden and some people just simply don’t connect with superheroes. I think its just awesome to see someone able to respect why people like a show or movie even if it isn’t for them. Thank you Cosmonout
I know, it's kind of irritating, like, could they have delivered a better plot and character development with better dialouge, ect. it's sooooo annoying, this is the most exciting mcu project since endgame and I hope it just gets better
The TVA breaks the entirety of Marvel’s world building. It also tells us that free will has literally never existed in the MCU before Loki. Never. Every single action a character took, every single word that they said was orchestrated by Kang. There are no longer any stakes in the MCU films before Loki because within the world of the MCU, it was impossible for the movies to turn out any different. Tell me, how is that good storytelling? Marvel fans are fucking ridiculous. Take their balls out of your mouth for once
@@kinkmyboot3563 id say Episode 1 does great in terms of the emotional scenes between Loki and Mobius, Mobius really trying to uncover who Loki truly is was an amazing part of the show, and when we see Loki revisit his variant self's timeline, him seeing the death of his loved ones was incredible
@@Coolgamer54321 Yea I agree I just generalized but every other character between those 2 just take me out of it with how goofy their emotional moments are
Yes, I really hope they keep those type of scenes in season 2. And dont fall for the trap of bigger is better and going over the top with action and things like that.
@@WheeledHamster Mobius was a better character than sylvie like Loki is the main character it's about him not fucking sylvie like yea she impacts the plot and she matters but still the most important character is Loki and she litterally betrayed Loki for her own childish immaturity she couldn't even have a rational conversation with him about saving creation as we know it but no like idk I just don't get your thought process at all but please do explain if u so wish
When you described self-love/self-respect as something Loki needs to find in the series if he ever wants to grow, that blew my mind. Now I see Sylvie/Loki romance to be the externalized way for the series to show self-love. If Loki EVER finds it then he will love Sylvie. cool.
“Listen Loki I used to be a tiny cowboy that came to life in a museum at night and now I need your help to kill this better Loki I wauw mkay.” -Owen Wilson, definitely.
The previous disney plus originals both felt like they were trying to achieve the opening of a new universe, but none of them really got there until Loki. Loki has an energy and plot that screams new possibilities.
I disagree falcone was definitely not trying to open a new universe. WandaVision felt like it was trying sometimes but it was only in one city also by the conclusions it was obvious it was about Wanda and set up to her being in Doctor strange. Now loki was all about time and littery makeing mutible universes.
Although they weren’t as strong as Loki, I think we needed a pallet cleanser following the bonker events of Infinity War and Endgame. If phase four opened up with Loki, it would simultaneously be a home run and it would destroy what was left of the Internet after Endgame.
@@cinemasketch9644 Wandavision started self contained, eventually it shifted over to her and her powers and what they really are, and ended with her clearly playing around in the multiverse to try and find her kids, we already know that's going to lead directly into Dr Strange. F&WS was the intro story for a new Captain America, gave us a taste of what the MCU's underworld is like, and introduced some shady dealings going on. Not exactly earth shattering, but better to establish that in a series where it can take a little time then rush it into a movie. Loki was when Marvel just tipped their whole hand and decided to explain the multiverse, and give us a nice taste of what it could bring to the table in a fun and engaging way...instead of just having Dr Strange do a monologue about it in his movie. Also, they feel self contained because they're character studies, Wanda's grief, Bucky's remorse, Sam feeling unworthy, and Loki's self loathing, it was all explored very well, and also functions as a primer for the next round of movies. It was all very pragmatic, well planned, and above all, still entertaining. They weren't trying to open a new unvierse, just open the next part of the one they've already established very well.
WandaVision was a self contained (quite literally) storyline for Wanda and Monica, that’s it, it’s a personal story and it’s fun but it’s more sad and emotional FATWS is the same thing but more grounded and fleshed out the characters we barely knew for themselves to be better versions This starts out the same self contained personal storylines, but takes it a step further and makes it external as much as it’s internal, this show will actually directly affect the universe and themselves So I seriously can’t and won’t say one is better than the others cuz each of them have something to say as well as have their own stories that affects the CHARACTERS
@@dasfowler Does Loki actually fall for a female version of himself that just so happens to be better then him in every way? Like that actually happens? I thought it was a joke.
The dialogue in this series is almost flawless, that time in the table when Loki and Mobius are talking about the meaning of life, destiny, free will and jet skis got me hooked instantly
@@shanesymington7614 you need to respect that people have opinions different than your own. You can say the dialogue wasn’t that good, but you don’t have to insult OP for liking it.
@@mr.narwhal9034 I saw not a single insult in what Shane up there said. Could you point it out? I tend to agree with him actually, gaining more experience in dialogue would most likely alter one's opinion on Loki's dialogue being 'almost flawless'.
me: i don't really care about loki but hopefully this show teaches him about the humility and self love that he needs loki: *falls in love with and kisses an AU version of himself in about two days* me: NO NOT LIKE THAT- (i love the soundtrack of this show, it's so vibrant and lovely, also very mysterious and builds up anticipation for KTC)
The fact that Loki begs a version of himself to trust him, and she doesn’t and he understands why, driving him to change further, is crazy. This show is so good.
Classic Loki is lowkey my favourite character in the MCU right now. This dude has like 5 minutes of Screentime but for some reason seeing his scream "Glorious Purpose!" is the most badass thing I've ever seen
I think I’m the only one who didn’t read “romantic tension” into the Sylvia/Loki relationship dynamic, even though it’s clear that’s literally the angle they were going for. To me they played it as a insight on “self love”, seeing a reflection of themselves (or at least for Loki) and having a sincere appreciation for what they see. This embodiment of the love for themselves is in someone else, who is still them… it’s why Sylvie/Loki is nothing like “twincest” IMO even if it’s supposedly a “romance”.
I'll be honest, the two are nothing alike. Which makes sense, having your gender swapped would butterfly your personality a hell of a lot, but it does go against the whole self-love thing when I find it hard to really compare the two as similar people.
I really thought they were going to give the two of them more of a sibling dynamic, and I really wish they had. I was not a fan of the selfcest romance.
Also I love how you point out that slow pacing is OKAY if done correctly. I’d like to add that many aspects of storytelling become less boring when the audience has a reason to care about the characters involved.
@@doomstadt2371 My main gripe with so called “comic book fans” is when they go to a movie expecting to see direct page to screen adaptations, and complain that it’s not the same. Then when the movies do things that are comic book accurate, like having Sam Wilson become Captain America, Jane Foster become Thor and other cool things from the comics, they act as if it’s never been pre-established and that it’s forced diversity.
@Gentleman Murk I’m not sure what you’re inferring, given that it has nothing to do with Marvel, but I don’t mind at all. I haven’t watched Titans as a matter of fact, but I see no problem in casting an actor of African descent to play Starfire. I mean Starfire isn’t even from Earth. As both a fan of the comics and the movies, I don’t see an issue in changing the race, gender, sexuality or what have you of a character as long as that version fits the basic foundation of the character. In the addition, characters who are defined in part by their culture already should not be changed if it’s part of their character. For instance, Black Panther. T’Challa is an African king and his entire character is based around African and black culture. You wouldn’t cast a white man to play Black Panther. Task Master being portrayed by a woman- that’s absolutely okay. MJ being African American, that’s absolutely okay. The ancient being white and British. That’s not okay. Overall though, I just think that comic book movies should have the freedom to adapt what they please and change things so long as they work and make stories better. Edit: in my opinion, forced diversity isn’t a default effect when they change the gender, sexuality or culture of a character. Forced diversity is only a problem when it is explicit that the producers don’t care about a character, rather just a stereotype. For instance, I don’t enjoy the 2016 reboot of Ghostbusters because I felt that the movie wasn’t trying to separate itself from the previous movie and in the end, instead of creating something unique and independent, they just remade ghost Busters, but with a weak message regarding feminism that is more regressive than progressive. On the other hand, you have a movie like the Dark Tower. The dark tower movie isn’t good and it’s got so many problems and so much wasted potential. However, the casting of Idris Elba as Roland (who is a traditionally white character) works in my opinion because he’s a great actor and he brings a lot of depth and emotion in a movie that is devoid of anything. He wasn’t cast because he wasn’t white, he was cast because he fit the role of Roland perfectly. Force diversity only happens when a production only cares about woke points and not creating a character.
Loki literally told Sylvie " A bit of both" when she said "you must of had your share of Princesses or perhaps a prince". Loki is bi, he literally said it.
In norse mythology loki turned himself in to a female horse got raped by a male horse give brith to an 8 legged horse then proceeded to give that 8 legged horse to Odin. Just letting you all know
The show is also just beautifully filmed. Yes a lot of the background were cgi, but the colors popped, the set designs were unique and it had such a *style* to it that I feel in love with. Also the acting, like the scene in ep 2 where Loki took in the gravity of knowing his future, hit so much harder because they stripped it of dialogue and held almost a minute on simply Hiddleston's acting and facial expressions. It felt like something that belonged in an indie passion project rather than a big budget marvel flick, which is a high compliment. It's probably the most experimental thing Marvel has put out in a long while. Its not the most risky, but its the most balls the wall - lets do something different. A few odd choices, but else a fantastic show
Regarding Loki's sexuality, Sylvie at one point asks him if he's a chick magnet back on his Asgard before pausing for a moment and teasingly asking if he was a dude magnet instead, and Loki's response is "A little of both, actually."
Which I absolutely loved because Marvel didn't FORCE it, or put it in maximum font with big balloons around it. It was a very quick and subtle answer, then instantly moved on from it. That's how you are suppose to do it. Not some big dumb climatic scene, where all women stop fighting their enemies in the midst of a large scale battle to join together, and form a super duper feminist battalion
This show's taken me through an interesting journey of realizing that a lot of people just love to hate Marvel only because it's popular The show does many new things, the character goes through an emotional journey, the climax wasn't a big cgi fight, and the plot is incredibly complex. But nope, some people will never be happy and call it trash just because
It’s interesting and new(ish), but the whole package of 6 episodes just isn’t structured well enough or tight enough; episodes 2 and 3 really hamstrung the experience for me… episodes 4 - 6 aren’t bad, but smaller choices in 6 were really really offputting; Majors was great
Anti-MCU brigade is more toxic and annoying than MCU fans or fanboys. Not liking something or having criticism is fine but because its "the thing" theres a large percentage who just think they're above it versus the "stupid marvel fanboy shills" They respond from that angle with the same tired recycled arguments, or often just vitriol, without considering a things indivual merits. Its an attempt at a statement
WandaVision - Psychological trauma disguised as a sitcom. Falcon and the Winter Soldier - Commentary of race relations in America disguised as a action series. Loki - Love story disguised as a reality warping time heist? I kinda see Marvel’s formula. It’s really interesting for sure.
"Loki is kind of a butt monkey [in previous instalments]" Unlike in this show, where he is continually mocked, ridiculed, and at one point literally gets locked in a room and kicked in the balls over and over again.
Def one of the things that detracts from this show for me, I get that he's supposed to be a shitty person getting a reality check but every episode just feels like kicking a dog with broken legs repeatedly... Like we got it the first time.... What a waste of Lady Sif....
I really enjoyed this show and I’m hyped for the next season. Also, that scene of old Loki projecting Asguard was hella cool. It’s nice to see that even though Loki usually gets pooped on in his many face offs he has some truly godlike power buried within.
Some people will complain about "too much talking" in movies and TV, but listen to Joe Rogan talk about chimpanzee's stoned out of his mind for 3 hours.
Well, that’s what they’ve signed up for when they click on a podcast. Movies and TV sell themselves as being visual mediums. Joe Rogan isn’t trying to tell a grand story in an interconnected universe, he’s trying to run his mouth for a few hours and upload it online for people to watch. The objectives and expectations are completely different.
This title perfectly describes how I feel. The other two shows just kinda felt meh, Loki sets up the greater MCU and basically explains what they’re doing with Spider-Man No Way Home because at first the rumors sounded convoluted but now it makes 100% sense.
Yea, it honestly annoyed me like... do they NOT read the comics??? And they have the nerve to call it lazy writing... just say you never read the comics 😂
Even without reading the comics I understood and wasn't mad that the infinity stones are paperweights. It doesn't take away the value they had in the Infinity Saga but we've moved on from it now and the stones becoming paperweights just sets up the scale the MCU is going for now.
It wasn’t mcu fanboys, it was casuals who went “but I thought the infinity stones were all power” don’t get me started on the “oh stark and Natashas death was pointless argument”
The scene where Sylvie showed the TVA soldier lady her past life annoyed me and felt so disappointing. I wanted to see her past and they missed such a blatant opportunity for her character development.
@@MystiqMiu I agree that it is wasteful but it literally took like less than 10 seconds to explain her past life so I don't think it matters much in a 6 episode show where each episode is 40+ minutes long lmao
Yeah, we saw her going inside the mind of the hunter with dreadlock but somehow we didn't see Hunter B-15's past? Also, in episode 2, we saw her can go inside people when talked to Loki but in the next episodes, we never see her doing it again.
Wandavision ended with actions scenes just for the sake of actions scenes and the final felt like a normal MCU movie. Loki ended with an almost 40 minutes dialogue full of character developpement. Yeah I kinda prefere Loki.
Kind of agree tbh. I enjoyed Wandavision a fair bit and F&WS was decent for the most part, but Loki had the most impact and even already knowing that multiverse stuff is gonna happen seeing what kicks it off was thrilling to watch.
I'm not sure if selfcest is morally right or not, but I can say this: It does exist in our world due to doujin artists saying "Reality can be whatever I want", and let me tell you...Whooo boy, is it a wild ride...This series may have awakened a second Renaissance in that Tag Genre and I am all for- and I should probably stop talking, now.
When people complain about pacing and not enough action even though it's actually character development and world building, you end up with stupid garbage like JJ Abrams Star Wars and Michael Bay Transformers which are just mindless action and explosions with no substance.
@@blinkachu5275 it's a reveal/cliffhanger, renslayer is also a villaian and so is alothiath, saying it's writing 101 is so dumb, it's just not your normal story, it just doesn't follow normal storytelling, that doesn't mean it should be worse that makes literally no sense. Kang will be probably the villian for the next season, this wasn't a movie, it's a show, keep that in mind
@@austincarlson9270 If that's what you want to believe, then by all means :) It absolutely follows normal story telling. The main arc for Loki is literally the villain of a previous story becoming an anti-hero, learning to put others in front of his own desires. Again, it's writing 101. There's a reason rules of writing exist, because with those rules exceptional works have been released. Loki is decent, but fails in a lot of areas, one of which is that most of it is just setup for a future show or movie, instead of being its own contained story. In the future someone that's new to Loki cannot stop at the end of the show and be fulfilled. They just needed more episodes. As was the case for literally every Marvel show after WandaVision. WandaVision is the ONLY show that felt like a full story from a to z. Which they then fuck up with Dr. Strange in the Multiverse of Madness but that's besides the point.
MCU fans:i can’t believe he is in love with a female version of himself thats so weird! Me who knows canonically loki shapeshifted into a lady horse to seduce and mate with a male who then give birth to a baby horse with 8 legs:haha yea..
Honestly, I think I feel the exact same. To me, Wandavision is a 7 the entire show, while FATWS starts off kinda weak, at like a 4 or 5, but picks up so much in episode 4, then the show gets a lot better for me, up to like an 8. And Loki had me invested pretty much the whole show, but I didn't really think the judge was ever interesting, and they never seemed to do anything with the child Loki, he seemed kinda interesting, but he sorta disappeared after Loki and Sylvie went to go fight Alioth
Oh yes, I will never forget when Thanos showed up for the first time and muttered the words: "I'm gonna fucking kill those avengers or whatever."
U good bro?
such an iconic line
truly a masterwork of script writing for the angry giant Thanos
not to mention his yellow color looking like a lemon and his wrinkled forehead
:)
He did make a similar threat to Ronan The Accuser though so the man's not that far off.
Truly iconic best scene in cinematic history
@@theAstarrr Same XD
Still waiting for Disney to announce the Alligator Loki series
When are we getting the Goki series
He teams up with Jimmy Woo
*Crocki
@@ggs27 don't they say he's an alligator tho?
With frog thor as his sidekick!
Mobius was EASILY my favorite character. He felt so real and had a good sense of humor while still trying to get his job done. He has the audience point of view of Loki in this timeline trying to break through to who Loki really is. I can’t wait for him to get back next season
Hard agree, and Owen Wilson gives him so much humanity. I love his character and I love that he of all people was this Loki's first real friend.
Me and my friends also appreciated Mobius and we would call him kachow cause he voice lightning McQueen. But when he died I actually felt something cause he was an actual human. You know had his interests.
@@coolterra8491 Mobius' "death" hit me wayyy harder than Loki's oh my god
I feel like he works because he was put with Loki. Mobius only told the truth, or at least what he thought was the truth, at the beginning of the season. Loki was a lying, scheming, rascal who betrayed him at every turn. Then, at the end, Loki has become the one telling the truth and the one looking out for others while Mobius is using deceit and trickery to beat the TVA. The characters, being total opposites, were able to build off of each other through the season and you almost don’t notice because it happens so naturally.
in the comics, I nvr really liked him..but as stasted, the mcu is different. as long as the characters and plots are entertaining.😉
The score, oh my god, the score... Natalie Holt better get some major work.
From throwing eggs at Simon Cowell to this. What a journey.
For realz. I’ve had it stuck in my head for a month now.
isn't this major work?
The score is absolutely fan-fucking-tastic. The end credits theme of episode 2 and the opening theme of episode 5 are just sooo good. I saw someone suggest that they would like to see Holt's take on Star Wars and I'm absolutely down for it.
The music when Loki and Sylvie are cuffed and walking down the halls when first arriving at the TVA together was fucking brilliant
Loki falling in love with himself is literally the most Loki thing he can do read your Norse mythology
He pp'ed a horse in the mythology
@@daspoopenfarten_ Lol it's way worse.
After the gods were about to lose a bet with a builder thanks to Loki's influence, they forced him to do something about it. So he transformed into a mare and got pp'ed by the builder's stallion, then gave birth to Sleipnir, another stallion, but with 8 legs.
@@DeadKraken casual Mythology crap
@@daspoopenfarten_ lol
@@daspoopenfarten_ correction: he was pp'd *by* a horse
the only upsetting part about this show was that we didn't get to see owen wilson on a jet ski :(
There's hope for Season 2!
i was waiting for that payoff
#JusticeForMobius
I'm more upset that he never said "wow"
@@Zevyne he did
When the judge turned out to be like a school principal I was like I knew it. Those principal vibes.
RIGHT? The Petty Tyrant vibe is strong with that one!
Wow I didn't even think about that. That's so funny and fitting
Judge, Principal and Evil
Dolores Umbridge says hii
I’d like to be sent to her office, if you catch my drift.
Who was your school principal? They sound so nice. Mine is like the guy who hated and tortured mutants in Deadpool 2
His definition of a “quick moment” to address a sponsor is just about the same as his definition of a cosmonaut quickie
Ikr fucking ridiculous. I kept fast forwarding and fast forwarding and it just never ended
@@almostrevan8230 ayo bro the man gotta get his bag. Chill out
His ads are always twice as long as any other YTer I’ve seen and I have no idea why. My boy is getting played in these contract negotiations.
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@@realkraqqenthere is no way 3 and a half minutes of an ad is necessary for him to “get the bag”
It’s slower paced but it’s not boring, the things being talked about keeps you hooked and the finale was so good, the lack of a massive sky battle was nice as that’s not what this show needed, definitely the best of the 3
The massive sky battle in WandaVision soured the whole show for me
@@eliascelis1632 same man
@@eliascelis1632 same here. It was getting SO interesting and then it’s like, oh. It’s just a big CGI fight and none of this really matters anyway. Gotcha
Honestly, the worst episode, IMO was the one with the train and clone-romance and a huge CGI crumbling world was the most boring
@@mook_10 I liked vision’s battle but wandas was pretty average honestly
you forgot to mention how ridiculously good this series' soundtrack is
Best part of the show tbh
this was one of the first marvel IPs that had good ost to me. Usually they just invest in featured tracks and have the ost fade away as background nosie, but this one the compositions got some time to shine in quieter scenes
Yeah the music in this show was amazing. It did an amazing job of setting the tone for each scene and it was so much fun to listen too.
@@shinkamui it actually feels like a future grand feeling
Like space trumpets
Absolutely, the soundtrack on this is better than most Marvel movies.
I swear, Loki looks better than most MCU movies. Maybe not in the technical sense like the objective quality of the CGI and such, but the cinematography, color grading and style feels way more cinematic IMO.
i think what it is is it feels unique, the entire vibe and presentation is so different from a movie like, say, civil war, which feels a lot more Standard Big Movie. and thats not necessarily bad, but it is really really good to see something unique from the mcu. and i think loki knocked it out of the effing park.
The cgi was pretty good, though. Miss Minutes alone was very impressive!
And the best thing the cinematographer who did Loki is going to do Black Panther Wakanda Forever as well
Actually the last two episodes had by far better CGI than the previous ones
@@Savataric wait seriously? oh that’s gonna be good
never would I dream that the term "selfcest" would be discussed beyond extremely questionable internet forums, let alone be a major plot point of a mega-budget Disney television project. What a time to be alive
"Selfcest does not happen and will never happen"
he just had to jinx it
Internet: BET
"I do not fuck me."
- Mr. Thoreau (Han Solo), The Novelty Desire
Do clones count? I dunno the future could be freaky
@@slipinoy Clones would most definitely count since your exact DNA is needed to make a clone
@@aimbotarrow5981 Depends on whether there is also a mind upload included in the deal, if it's just your exact DNA then it's no different from other forms of child molestation, or incest with your children, you're perving on someone born from your genes. If they have your memories, even if they don't have your _exact_ dna, then it's selfcest.
This is the first MCU property where the music is distinct and recognizable. That main end theme was stuck in my head for a week after the first episode. Also the fact that nothing really happened in the finale( as in big space laser or battle) is such a breath of fresh air.
Agreed, with a shout-out to the winter soldier theme, because that one is so cool and I still recognise it when I hear it somewhere!
Wanda Vision theme was brilliant. Didn't feel the Winter Soldier one as I can't recall it to this day. But the theme(s) for the Loki series were great
The winter soldier score is still one of the best imo
So we just going to forget infinity wars theme and endgame and Thor Ragnarok.
Definitely one area where DC is ahead
I like Loki, but I really couldn’t see him with his own show. HOLY SHIT was I wrong, this show made me love Loki even more.
"all" it took was a metric ton of creativity and writing talent
Sadly, he got sidelined in his *Own* show! Ever since Sylvie appeared, they make him a side character and he just there to get his ass kicked by everyone.
@@margarethmichelina5146 I think we watched a different show
@@margarethmichelina5146 Not much different from what we've seen of him in the MCU movies.
@@margarethmichelina5146 yeah i was annoyed with how weak he was, hes a super strong frost giant (albeit a runt) alien god (kinda) he was getting slapped around by fat black women in goofy suits. His inconsistent strength aside I generally liked him and the show
Loki learned to love himself. He also learned how to eat his own hand.
Why say this lmao
@@dabkun5135 well Alligator Loki did eat President Loki's hand lol🐊
It’s funny because the finale of Loki kinda set up the “What If” show in a way
The second movie of doctor strange too and probably the third Spider-Man film
@@rafrodriguez548 let’s?
@@monkeman3228 Let’s.
What if kane wasnt stabbed and loki and sylvie took over ? 😮
It's setting up the What-If show, Dr Strange 2: Multiverse of Madness (Wanda Vision did that too), Spider-Man 3: No Way Home, and Ant-Man 3: Quantum Mania.
10:25 "Sorry I've been arguing with a lot of people on the internet lately so I need to get that off my chest" most relatable line ok RUclips
honestly, the absolute best part of the show Has to be tom hiddleston. his performance as loki was amazing, and his charisma really carried every single scene he was in (and probably contributed to everyone’s love for this character in the first place)
When I heard about the show I was like "Well if you just put Tom in a room and let him act for 35 minutes I would watch it, so anything after that is icing on the cake"
Then like half the first episode is Tom in a room alone as Loki lmaooooo
@@mitchellhorton9382 you are absolutely correct, he can make anything look entertaining
Maybe it's because I'm British, but I don't really like Hiddleston as an actor. His performances always seem really affected and unnatural.
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“I paved the road, You just walked down it.” Chills
I don't think I've seen Majors before, but finished this series last night and will be hunting down his other work. Guy fucking explodes charisma
I just realized that the road he's referring to had to have been the entire MCU. He created apocalypses for Sylvie to hide in and used the avengers and Thanos to get Loki to the TVA. Everything we have ever watched was his doing.
@@enriquesaenz3574 You could be right, but I personally think it's more like the timeline contains a bunch of events naturally and he makes minor changes to make sure that things end up the way he wants them. Like maybe he didn't make the apocalypses, but he did steer Sylvie towards them so that she could figure out to hide in them. That still means that he's letting the apocalypses happen rather than preventing them, but it's not clear how much power he actually has beyond being all seeing and having his agency. It could be that making huge changes is prone to creating unmanageable new timelines.
Actually, now I think about it, that is exactly the point of the "sacred timeline". The sacred timeline is shown as a single main timeline with small branches splitting from it, but in reality a split should be equal with no timeline being favoured over the other. He Who Remains is selecting the branches that will lead to the outcome he wants and deleting the rest, it's only presented as a single "sacred timeline" to keep up the pretense that the TVA are doing the right thing by culling the other branches.
@@ianw5663 I know he’s in love craft country which I’ve heard is quite good.
@@enriquesaenz3574 You realize that means that free will has literally never existed in the MCU then… right? How the fuck is that good storytelling?
SPOILER TALK: Loki as a character has this core of self-loathing that is touched on in the movies. It is somewhat touched on in the show, but they don't hit you over the head with it. Our Loki falling in love with Sylvie is yes, narcissistic, but it also shows that they're willing to love "themselves." I thought the romance was a nice addition to the show.
Ya man
One of the most moronic comments I’ve ever seen
My only beef with this show is the fighting choreography. It’s so stiff and just not what I expect from Marvel. I know it’s a show and note a movie, but it’s so bad at times. Other than that, I love the show. The story is great and I love how creative they got with it
yup alot of times just making the choice to forget that obviously fake bit or that clunky by the numbers movie sword fighting lunge there, and it was easy cause of the story and characters.
My beef is definitely the quality of the CGI and things alike. After watching the Mandalorian, I was expecting other Disney+ shows to carry similar quality. But it looked a lot like power rangers(specifically episode 3). Hopefully it can look better in the future, but if not I will still be happy with the outcome.
Marvels movies always have pretty meh to bad choreography, also the fight scenes are edited rlly weird cuz they use stuntmen for every single fight scene.
Also they just seemed to have forgotten that Loki has super human strength lol… he was getting shoved around by human when in the first Avengers even Captain America’s punches couldn’t move him.
@@manavbhalla2861 and rewinding that tower falling down on them... but can only pull a romba to him before? I thought they were hinting at a reveal later like some sort of time turning macguffin with that... and then nothing! What?
"Selfcest will never be real"
NEVER is a very strong word Marcus...
The future will be a very strange place…. With a lot of strange porn.
He is forgetting that mammals have already been successfully cloned before. Hell if it were legal, human cloneing might already be possible with current technology.
I selfcest every night ;)
Boutta jinx it with android lookalikes coming in
@@SoraYoshi182 biggest hangup on current cloning is DNA damage. DNA has a limited number of times it can be replicated, which is why healing and general upkeep of the body deteriorate over time and we eventually die. It's possible to take an adult and clone their DNA, but the clone will have a significantly shortened lifespan due to the wear and tear of the original DNA used. There are ways to repair the DNA, but these tend to have other effects on the growth process, and that's where current cloning is. By other effects, I do mean uncontrolled growth and cancer (fun fact: there is an "immortal" group of cells from Henrietta Lacks that are immortal. While she is deceased, her cells that were harvested in 1951 are still used today and have been critical in many new technologies such as in vitro fertilization and genome mapping)
In the first episode, when Loki is checked into the TVA, his file says “Sex: Fluid,” so I guess we actually did get some confirmation of him being gender fluid, even though Disney probably won’t want to explore it.
It's tricky because all non-binary people are desperate for some representation, but in the MCU being gender fluid is not that special. Unless you count regular earth/midguard. To focus too much on it would make it feel really ham fisted. Loki doesn't make being fluid a big part of his identity, so it shouldn't be a big part of the show.
@@HolybasilYT your logic makes no sense. ’Loki being gendrrfluid is normal for his char so it shouldn’t show that at all’!
What
@@Drake00000010 I think they're saying that its not a big part of his identity at all since asguard is different in regards to customs compared to earth so it wouldnt make sense for the show to dwell on it too much because then it would feel forced and unatural
@@Drake00000010 Believe it or not, people who are comfortable with their gender/sex identities and aren't discriminated against for it don't feel the need to talk about it at all. They just live their lives because it's normalized for them.
@@splicerslicer7906 Then show how its normal for him then. The guy said it shouldn't be shown at all. You people seem just not want that side of Loki at all even thought its big part f his character.
Loki Drinking Game: take a shot every time someone says “glorious purpose”
Oh no
Loki Drinking Game: Take a shot every time someone says "TemPad"
Loki Drinking Game: Take a shot every time someone says ”Loki”
Or when Loki flips his hair
Or says "variant"
Croc loki and Thanos copter all 10/10 memes that I died for. Being this excited for MCU content is surprising
Don’t forget Throg
Panda
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its trash ... MCU fanboys and their mediocre taste
@@Trollofox care to elaborate? I’m guessing not
On Loki's TVA file, he is marked as gender fluid. Admittedly it's more of a "we can cut it out in China" kind of representation, but hey!
I think it's funny that people hated that he was gender fluid and freaked out over it when in Norse Mythology, it's literally the only thing he has, he eats apples to stay immortal and he can shapeshift into different animals and change his sex, being genderfluid is literally just his only power
@@ericstorm6582 So Alligator Loki could actually be A "human" like the other Lokis then.
@@ericstorm6582 also in norse mythology he isnt a fucking loser unlike him in this show
@@livingminimumwage6359 how did they make comics for kids even more kiddie that’s impressive
@@paveantelic7876 I dont really think that he is Loser in tv show, but he is for sure different. Just like all MCU asgardian characters.
Tom Hiddleston and Owen Wilson had amazing chemistry. The scenes of them just talking together were fantastic.
"Sylvie makes Loki learn to put someone else before himself" - well.... kinda not really :DD
Sure she did. Sylvie is sufficiently different enough for me to consider her a separate person. As she told him, "I'm not you."
@@misspriss2482 it's honestly how I always saw their relationship tbh. The show talks about free will. That grouping a set of people like the Loki variants is terrible cuz not every Loki is back stabbing, conniving, mustache twirling villan. Some got hurt only because the TVA messed with them for no reason at least not a valid one. Plus even the other Loki variants in episode 5 seemed kinda surprised that a female variant of them exists. Plus Sylvie is also trying to form her own path and to distance herself from the Loki title Plus we can see that she cares about Loki. I think her kissing him and then pushing him into the TVA in a different timeline was a way to protect him but she immediately regrets her decision cuz she was blinded by rage because of what the TVA has done to her
Well yes, but actually no.
"I killed Thor"
Chills
Cosmuanaut wanted a movie to what would happen if Killmonger took over Wakanda. I think he got his wish with What If
Killmonger is also slated to reappear in Wakanda Forever. While this might be a flashback scene, I’m hoping he comes back.
@@BostonMBrand Maybe in the Ancestral Plane, I think his decision at the end of BP seemed pretty concrete. I personally don't like this fandom nonsense about "well what if x didn't really die" for every character they like, because if we're being honest 99% of the time the answer is that the story wouldn't be as interesting.
Richard Grant's Loki is literally the fan theory of "what if Thanos didn't really kill Loki" and you know what? I don't need to watch thousands of years of Loki aging and self-reflecting alone on a barren planet. It only works here for the sake of being a supporting piece of new Loki's story.
@@1Seanmb true. That make sense and I agree Killmonger’s story ended in a good way but I wouldn’t be surprised if Disney brought back dead characters. The only character I don’t see them bringing back past What if is T’Challa, but that’s just out of respect for the late, great Chadwick Boseman.
they've confirmed also that What If will tie into the rest of the MCU
which leads me to believe that this Killmonger BP that they've showed off in What If is going to be our new mainline BP, and I'm 100% on board with that
@@occamsaturn I’m really interested to see what killmonger and Tony get up to given that Killmonger saves him in the trailer.
Kang has to be one of the best villain introductions. This man single handedly destroyed a multiverse, took over time and space, ended free will, controls ALL life, and defeat armies of himself aka gods, and calls himself the devil. And there are versions that he calls evil and scare him. That is terrifying and I can’t want to see his variates. The fact that the statue Kang didn’t even create Time Keepers and wants the TVA to know who their master is.
I love this comment🙏
i love that we get a badass villain without losing his human side. We got told about his overwhelming power, but we also saw him sad, confused, confident, tired, angry, manipulative, genuine and powerless. We saw a bunch of sides of his character right on the introduction. That's honestly fantastic. Whoever wrote that episode had a moment of genius, no mcu villain is like that and that episode was only half the lenght of a movie
He had like twenty to thirty minutes and freaking nailed it. And then there’s the fact that there’s countless more evil versions of him on their way.
I wouldn't say single-handedly, more like infinite-handidly, you know, because of his multiversal selves and all.
His sheer delivery came out of nowhere. Nothing couldn've prepared me for his performance and his impact
It’s not selfcest when the other version of you is completely genetically different. The black Loki or the alligator Loki probably weren’t born to Laufey. It’s safe to assume, Sylvie is genetically different and may just be a random frost giant Odin found and could be genetically different. Being a Loki has more to do with being the god of mischief and the role he plays.
Loki's a natural shapeshifter who is both gender fluid and racial fluid. I'm pretty sure every Loki started off as a frost giant son of Laufey who was then adopted by Odin, and from there they begin to diverge from each other.
@@mirrorzone5224 I dont think thats fully canon in the mcu because they seemed to make it pretty clear that sylvee can not shapeshift
@@lorraine4786 She might not have trained that ability to the same extent as the Loki we know, but she can do it. Why else does she look like an asgardian instead of a frost giant? Also she went from having black hair as a kid to blond hair as an adult.
The first time we see Loki shapeshift is when he's a baby. He couldn't have consciously known what he was doing at the time which implies that his shapeshifting can happen involuntarily due to subconscious triggers. Whenever he's exposed to extreme cold he reverts back to his original frost giant form, when he was picked up by Odin and imprinted on him he subconsciously took on an Asgardian form, and I'm willing to bet that at various points in his life when he was feeling feminine he took on a female form even before he learned to shapeshift at will.
@@mirrorzone5224 mm, I'll be honest, I didnt remember that we'd seen loki shapeshift as a baby. As for why I thought she didnt look like a frost giant, I just figured that she simply wasnt a frost giant. I guess I just figured odin picked her up on a different planet to adopt her. And with the hair thing it actually went from brown to blond which actually isnt that weird. Its definately less common than when peoples hair darken as they age, but it is possible for a persons hair to naturally lighten as they age. But you do have a good point that she probably can shapeshift naturally, she just isnt as good at it and its harder for her probably?
@@mirrorzone5224 No that's the thing people are not grasping, every Loki is different, that's why they are called variants and not clones. There is a diffrence between alternate timelines and alternate universes.
For example, The Tva Loki is genetically and physically identical to ragnarok loki but is a variant because he escaped from his destined path. Upto 2012 both of them have had the exact same experiences and situations, molding them into the characters they are today. But from that point in time they have had different experiences, making the Tva Loki a variant but still sharing the same genetic structure with ragnarok loki
When we talk about alternate universes, we should keep in mind that all the Loki variants have a similar part to play in the universe but are never truly identical. The only thing they have in common is a temporal aura. Even the situations throughout there lives is different because that's how alternative universes work, there will always be a difference. Let's say in boastful Loki's universe, Laufey was a woman or in Sylvie's universe, Odin and Frigga never had a child and she was an only child. The situations are never really the same.
And as you mentioned, even if Loki is a shapeshifter, he/she/they will never really take someone's genetic structure, he only changes his appearance.
I want Jonathan Majors to have his own cameos in every movie, but half the time he's just in the background, out of focus, reacting to a scene. Then he's gone when the camera cuts back.
Yeah like a variant of him in each film
Like another Stan lee
@@nickmiller9910 yes, exactly.
Kinda like Rose I’m Doctor Who Season 4.
@@nickmiller9910 great idea
Ahhh, that actually makes a lot of sense. The main reason that I didn’t think the romance was rushed was because i had a week to let it process, whereas you didn’t
True, I watched it week by week but i agree with him the pacing of the relationship felt off a tiny bit
@ lol funny because that sounds more like a hookup in a small town
Nah, even so. It was rushed. I don't think letting the idea of a fictional romance simmer in your head for a week actually makes it better or worse
more like they somehow fell in love over a 12 hour period in the show.. it truly was rushed
.. i mean, who else would Loki end up with.
Owen and Tom had amazing chemistry, and the actor for the spoiler character was PERFECT. I literally went back to rewatch that episode just to watch that performance again
Slyvies actor was HORRIBLE
She and Loki had zero chemistry, this show is bad and disappointing
RIIIGHT? JONATHAN MAJORS FTW
Falcon and Winter Soldier reminded me of the old MCU, WandaVision hooked me, and Loki brought me back to the MCU in a way I haven't felt since Endgame.
@IntrepidTit Ok
@IntrepidTit so he is a shill for liking the mcu? y u here tho?
@IntrepidTit Its ok for people to like things, doesnt make you any better or a freethinker for not liking popular thing
@IntrepidTit popular thing bad me freethinker ooga ooga 🗿
@IntrepidTit kiss me gay boy 💋
I love the MCU, but this, this ended becoming one my favorite things overall in the entire franchise, and the cherries on top were Richard E. Grant and Jonathan Majors performances. I also had a feeling you would like it, because by now, I can tell your taste. The weirder it is, the more you like it, you're hatred for the grounded side, and you just liking the MCU, but not loving it enough if it just ended at Endgame, like others I've seen around. Still, the fact I'm getting more of this through out the MCU, plus other storylines is what keeps me going!
Yeah I love the MCU as well
Loki is my favorite thing in mcu after WS and IW
This show literally saved phase 4
@@abh8917 we literally have the same top 3
@@abh8917 ikr, I was pretty worried for Phase 4. But Loki was so amazing I am so pumped to see more
I love mcu too but their quality of production has dropped tremendously. Bad fight scenes. Decent cgi. No or bare minimum character development etc. Wandavision was good but falcon and winter soldier? Nah man I ain't watching that shit.
Fun fact: In the original Norse myths of Loki he cuts off Thors wifes hair in revenge and is later threatened to have all his bones broken if he doesn't fix it. I think that was where they got the idea for the time loop scene with Lady Sif.
I completely agree! I haven’t been super excited about anything since covid but Loki makes me 😩
Sus
It's not
bro?🤨📸
that's kinda sus bro
So you were excited about covid, huh? 👀
“Loki had to learn to love himself”
Yeah in more ways than one…
incest on a next level
Nice
@@lightbluej9411 well actually Loki isn't Asgardian he's a frost walker, they start it up as if she was actually born on Asgard and is the real Loki while our Loki was just adopted
@@The_MEMEphis well in episode 3 she says that she knew she was adopted.
@@sophiarose5879 maybe her nexus event was that she was born of different species
It’s nice to see someone actually acknowledging the brilliance of this show. Many RUclipsrs just shit on whatever Marvel releases. Don’t get me wrong there are some bad apples in the Marvel garden and some people just simply don’t connect with superheroes. I think its just awesome to see someone able to respect why people like a show or movie even if it isn’t for them. Thank you Cosmonout
I know, it's kind of irritating, like, could they have delivered a better plot and character development with better dialouge, ect. it's sooooo annoying, this is the most exciting mcu project since endgame and I hope it just gets better
The TVA breaks the entirety of Marvel’s world building. It also tells us that free will has literally never existed in the MCU before Loki. Never. Every single action a character took, every single word that they said was orchestrated by Kang. There are no longer any stakes in the MCU films before Loki because within the world of the MCU, it was impossible for the movies to turn out any different.
Tell me, how is that good storytelling?
Marvel fans are fucking ridiculous. Take their balls out of your mouth for once
The talking between the characters MADE the show for me.
Humour was great. Emotionnal dialogue was shit
loved it, all the scenes between loki and mobius were just *chef's kiss*
@@kinkmyboot3563 id say Episode 1 does great in terms of the emotional scenes between Loki and Mobius, Mobius really trying to uncover who Loki truly is was an amazing part of the show, and when we see Loki revisit his variant self's timeline, him seeing the death of his loved ones was incredible
@@Coolgamer54321 Yea I agree I just generalized but every other character between those 2 just take me out of it with how goofy their emotional moments are
Yes, I really hope they keep those type of scenes in season 2. And dont fall for the trap of bigger is better and going over the top with action and things like that.
Tru. I finished it minutes ago and I’m excited for whatever comes next
X2
Why? He's clearly second rate bitch in his own show, the spotlight is female Loki because this is the message Disney needs to get out now!
Spider-Man is what comes next
@@whogivesashit9126 technically it’s the what if series, but whatever.
@@WheeledHamster Mobius was a better character than sylvie like Loki is the main character it's about him not fucking sylvie like yea she impacts the plot and she matters but still the most important character is Loki and she litterally betrayed Loki for her own childish immaturity she couldn't even have a rational conversation with him about saving creation as we know it but no like idk I just don't get your thought process at all but please do explain if u so wish
When you described self-love/self-respect as something Loki needs to find in the series if he ever wants to grow, that blew my mind. Now I see Sylvie/Loki romance to be the externalized way for the series to show self-love. If Loki EVER finds it then he will love Sylvie.
cool.
"wauw Loki wauw I gotta good feeling about you" - Owen Wilson probably
“Listen Loki I used to be a tiny cowboy that came to life in a museum at night and now I need your help to kill this better Loki I wauw mkay.” -Owen Wilson, definitely.
The previous disney plus originals both felt like they were trying to achieve the opening of a new universe, but none of them really got there until Loki. Loki has an energy and plot that screams new possibilities.
I mean.... did they tho? Wandavision was pretty self contained. And FATWS really just showed us stuff we've seen already
I disagree falcone was definitely not trying to open a new universe. WandaVision felt like it was trying sometimes but it was only in one city also by the conclusions it was obvious it was about Wanda and set up to her being in Doctor strange. Now loki was all about time and littery makeing mutible universes.
Although they weren’t as strong as Loki, I think we needed a pallet cleanser following the bonker events of Infinity War and Endgame. If phase four opened up with Loki, it would simultaneously be a home run and it would destroy what was left of the Internet after Endgame.
@@cinemasketch9644 Wandavision started self contained, eventually it shifted over to her and her powers and what they really are, and ended with her clearly playing around in the multiverse to try and find her kids, we already know that's going to lead directly into Dr Strange.
F&WS was the intro story for a new Captain America, gave us a taste of what the MCU's underworld is like, and introduced some shady dealings going on. Not exactly earth shattering, but better to establish that in a series where it can take a little time then rush it into a movie.
Loki was when Marvel just tipped their whole hand and decided to explain the multiverse, and give us a nice taste of what it could bring to the table in a fun and engaging way...instead of just having Dr Strange do a monologue about it in his movie.
Also, they feel self contained because they're character studies, Wanda's grief, Bucky's remorse, Sam feeling unworthy, and Loki's self loathing, it was all explored very well, and also functions as a primer for the next round of movies.
It was all very pragmatic, well planned, and above all, still entertaining. They weren't trying to open a new unvierse, just open the next part of the one they've already established very well.
WandaVision was a self contained (quite literally) storyline for Wanda and Monica, that’s it, it’s a personal story and it’s fun but it’s more sad and emotional
FATWS is the same thing but more grounded and fleshed out the characters we barely knew for themselves to be better versions
This starts out the same self contained personal storylines, but takes it a step further and makes it external as much as it’s internal, this show will actually directly affect the universe and themselves
So I seriously can’t and won’t say one is better than the others cuz each of them have something to say as well as have their own stories that affects the CHARACTERS
Don’t forget the real best part of loki. We got a cameo from the Thanos copter
where was that from again
I’m so sad Owen Wilson never said “wow”
Right! And that we didn't get to see him on a jet ski thingie.
He said "how" at one point is his trademark cadence
automatic 0/10
There's gonna be a 2nd season tho
@@Zebula77 Season 2¡¿
When Marcus said, Loki learns to love himself, I thought to myself, god that’s lame. But then i realized that’s literally what happens 🤣
Well yeah 😂😂😂 but imo the learning to love myself stories is great when executed well
Possibly the most on-the-nose and simultaneously clever plot device in MCU history.
Loki took the words "Love Myself" too seriously
@@dasfowler Does Loki actually fall for a female version of himself that just so happens to be better then him in every way? Like that actually happens? I thought it was a joke.
@@bronsonnolan1383 it happens
10:06 "Secondly, self-cest isn't real."
My right hand disagrees with that statement.
That doesn't count as selfcest though. By definition, it means at least two persons.
Ew
Loki is like a dagger, at first it's there, then it disappears
Last Jedi dagger 😳😳😳😳
Like my dad
Much like my dad😉
The dialogue in this series is almost flawless, that time in the table when Loki and Mobius are talking about the meaning of life, destiny, free will and jet skis got me hooked instantly
You really need to watch more stuff if you thought this dialogue is flawless. The dialogue is my main gripe with the last two MCU shows.
@@shanesymington7614 And you need to search the definition of "almost"
@@shanesymington7614 you need to respect that people have opinions different than your own. You can say the dialogue wasn’t that good, but you don’t have to insult OP for liking it.
@@mr.narwhal9034 I saw not a single insult in what Shane up there said. Could you point it out? I tend to agree with him actually, gaining more experience in dialogue would most likely alter one's opinion on Loki's dialogue being 'almost flawless'.
Furthest thing from flawless
me: i don't really care about loki but hopefully this show teaches him about the humility and self love that he needs
loki: *falls in love with and kisses an AU version of himself in about two days*
me: NO NOT LIKE THAT-
(i love the soundtrack of this show, it's so vibrant and lovely, also very mysterious and builds up anticipation for KTC)
its actually not 2 days, its much longer than that , cause time works differently in tva where loki is for majority of season
If you look closely when the timelines are colliding, you can see Tobey Maguire
And you can see Andrew Garfield right next to him
😑
@@jaxblakes 😂😂😂😂
@ITK FTN Yes that to!
@@jaxblakes sorry, joke flew straight over my head :D
yay
Kenji! ❤️
yay
yay
Kenji!!!!!
Uh hi kenji
The fact that Loki begs a version of himself to trust him, and she doesn’t and he understands why, driving him to change further, is crazy. This show is so good.
Classic Loki is lowkey my favourite character in the MCU right now. This dude has like 5 minutes of Screentime but for some reason seeing his scream "Glorious Purpose!" is the most badass thing I've ever seen
When Thanos said "Rahh I'm gonna kill those Avengers" at the end of Age of Ultron I literally started sobbing and throwing up in the theater
Maybe unpopular opinion but his role was important in Guardians of the Galaxy 1.
@@expendableindigo9639 bruh unpopular opinion? That's literally a fact
@@expendableindigo9639 Also, 2012 Avengers was his doing
@@MsWitticisms yeah but I at least understand people’s complaints, I didn’t know he was there when I watched the movie the first time.
oh god my sides
Id watch a whole series thats just Loki and Mobius meeting up for lunch and talking for 45 minutes a week
People know Loki’s literally given birth to the fastest horse in mythology
And he was the mother
@@darthrevan5976
Yep, that’s why they said “Literally given birth”
Loki has the weirdest kids in norse mythology
Would you call that… horse mythology?
I think I’m the only one who didn’t read “romantic tension” into the Sylvia/Loki relationship dynamic, even though it’s clear that’s literally the angle they were going for. To me they played it as a insight on “self love”, seeing a reflection of themselves (or at least for Loki) and having a sincere appreciation for what they see. This embodiment of the love for themselves is in someone else, who is still them… it’s why Sylvie/Loki is nothing like “twincest” IMO even if it’s supposedly a “romance”.
I saw them more as half-brothers talking about life, which made the evolution of the relationship kinda weird
@@cractor6307 same i saw them as chaotic siblings vibe so it was really weird to see the progression of romance. i kept waiting for the sike. and yet.
I'll be honest, the two are nothing alike.
Which makes sense, having your gender swapped would butterfly your personality a hell of a lot, but it does go against the whole self-love thing when I find it hard to really compare the two as similar people.
I really thought they were going to give the two of them more of a sibling dynamic, and I really wish they had. I was not a fan of the selfcest romance.
Also I love how you point out that slow pacing is OKAY if done correctly. I’d like to add that many aspects of storytelling become less boring when the audience has a reason to care about the characters involved.
People complain that these shows are largely made up of long, philosophical, conversations, but I LOVE that shit! I was absolutely riveted
YES I love more character development and work more than action and just seeing how the characters interact makes it amazing
You can say it, it's people who've never opened a comic book in their entire life. They just show up to the movies for the action.
@@doomstadt2371 My main gripe with so called “comic book fans” is when they go to a movie expecting to see direct page to screen adaptations, and complain that it’s not the same. Then when the movies do things that are comic book accurate, like having Sam Wilson become Captain America, Jane Foster become Thor and other cool things from the comics, they act as if it’s never been pre-established and that it’s forced diversity.
Like have you not seen enough of cgi super hero fights? I love character development for underdeveloped characters
@Gentleman Murk I’m not sure what you’re inferring, given that it has nothing to do with Marvel, but I don’t mind at all. I haven’t watched Titans as a matter of fact, but I see no problem in casting an actor of African descent to play Starfire. I mean Starfire isn’t even from Earth.
As both a fan of the comics and the movies, I don’t see an issue in changing the race, gender, sexuality or what have you of a character as long as that version fits the basic foundation of the character. In the addition, characters who are defined in part by their culture already should not be changed if it’s part of their character. For instance, Black Panther. T’Challa is an African king and his entire character is based around African and black culture. You wouldn’t cast a white man to play Black Panther. Task Master being portrayed by a woman- that’s absolutely okay. MJ being African American, that’s absolutely okay. The ancient being white and British. That’s not okay.
Overall though, I just think that comic book movies should have the freedom to adapt what they please and change things so long as they work and make stories better.
Edit: in my opinion, forced diversity isn’t a default effect when they change the gender, sexuality or culture of a character. Forced diversity is only a problem when it is explicit that the producers don’t care about a character, rather just a stereotype. For instance, I don’t enjoy the 2016 reboot of Ghostbusters because I felt that the movie wasn’t trying to separate itself from the previous movie and in the end, instead of creating something unique and independent, they just remade ghost Busters, but with a weak message regarding feminism that is more regressive than progressive. On the other hand, you have a movie like the Dark Tower. The dark tower movie isn’t good and it’s got so many problems and so much wasted potential. However, the casting of Idris Elba as Roland (who is a traditionally white character) works in my opinion because he’s a great actor and he brings a lot of depth and emotion in a movie that is devoid of anything. He wasn’t cast because he wasn’t white, he was cast because he fit the role of Roland perfectly. Force diversity only happens when a production only cares about woke points and not creating a character.
Guy who plays Kang is gonna play other versions of himself like Sylvester Stallone in spy kids lol.
i would have used a number of different examples but I concede that this one is probably better than all of them
Or James McAvoy in Splits
I think the most convincing part of the romance is that they are both awkward with eachother because of the lack of love they’ve both been given 😂
Loki literally told Sylvie " A bit of both" when she said "you must of had your share of Princesses or perhaps a prince". Loki is bi, he literally said it.
Tbh everyone in every mythology is
Also his case file said he was gender fluid
Yeah, we know 🤨
You know Loki fucked a horse right? It's not that big of deal
In norse mythology loki turned himself in to a female horse got raped by a male horse give brith to an 8 legged horse then proceeded to give that 8 legged horse to Odin.
Just letting you all know
I loved alligator loki. Every time he was on I had a smile
I loved when people would just point out that there was in fact an alligator in the room.
Right? Every single time we got a shot of him I burst out laughing at the sheer bizarreness of him. Absolutely delightful.
"WHY THE HELL THERE'S AN ALLIGATOR IN HERE!"
"HE'S A LOKI!"
The show is also just beautifully filmed. Yes a lot of the background were cgi, but the colors popped, the set designs were unique and it had such a *style* to it that I feel in love with.
Also the acting, like the scene in ep 2 where Loki took in the gravity of knowing his future, hit so much harder because they stripped it of dialogue and held almost a minute on simply Hiddleston's acting and facial expressions. It felt like something that belonged in an indie passion project rather than a big budget marvel flick, which is a high compliment.
It's probably the most experimental thing Marvel has put out in a long while. Its not the most risky, but its the most balls the wall - lets do something different. A few odd choices, but else a fantastic show
Regarding Loki's sexuality, Sylvie at one point asks him if he's a chick magnet back on his Asgard before pausing for a moment and teasingly asking if he was a dude magnet instead, and Loki's response is "A little of both, actually."
Sylvie asked him if he has any young princess or even prince and Loki says a bit of both
Bi,bi,bi,bi,bi
Loki is Ass-Sexual,he will bed anything of age
Which I absolutely loved because Marvel didn't FORCE it, or put it in maximum font with big balloons around it. It was a very quick and subtle answer, then instantly moved on from it. That's how you are suppose to do it. Not some big dumb climatic scene, where all women stop fighting their enemies in the midst of a large scale battle to join together, and form a super duper feminist battalion
In norse mythology he got fucked by a horse
This show's taken me through an interesting journey of realizing that a lot of people just love to hate Marvel only because it's popular
The show does many new things, the character goes through an emotional journey, the climax wasn't a big cgi fight, and the plot is incredibly complex. But nope, some people will never be happy and call it trash just because
Yeah I’ve noticed this too and it’s really sad that they can’t appreciate such fun and interesting content.
It’s interesting and new(ish), but the whole package of 6 episodes just isn’t structured well enough or tight enough; episodes 2 and 3 really hamstrung the experience for me… episodes 4 - 6 aren’t bad, but smaller choices in 6 were really really offputting; Majors was great
The plot wasn't good and destroy everything up until this point nothing had any stakes up to the final episode
Anti-MCU brigade is more toxic and annoying than MCU fans or fanboys. Not liking something or having criticism is fine but because its "the thing" theres a large percentage who just think they're above it versus the "stupid marvel fanboy shills" They respond from that angle with the same tired recycled arguments, or often just vitriol, without considering a things indivual merits. Its an attempt at a statement
It’s ok, you can say Critical Drinker
Slow =/= Boring
So many writers are afraid of slowing their stories down when some stories REALLY need more development.
Fun Fact:
Despite the name, Marcus has never posted a hour long video.
He was a video that is 51 minutes though
@@breadzeppelin2165 it's not the Cosmonaut Variety 51 minutes is it? it's HOUR AND WE DEMAND A FULL HOUR OF MARCUS
he aint the god awful mauler
@@GagasAlGhazali Never heard of him.
WandaVision - Psychological trauma disguised as a sitcom.
Falcon and the Winter Soldier - Commentary of race relations in America disguised as a action series.
Loki - Love story disguised as a reality warping time heist?
I kinda see Marvel’s formula. It’s really interesting for sure.
Sorry but I can't spot a pattern there haha
@@CDexie a basic premise disguised as something deeper. That’s kinda what I see
"Loki is kind of a butt monkey [in previous instalments]"
Unlike in this show, where he is continually mocked, ridiculed, and at one point literally gets locked in a room and kicked in the balls over and over again.
Def one of the things that detracts from this show for me, I get that he's supposed to be a shitty person getting a reality check but every episode just feels like kicking a dog with broken legs repeatedly... Like we got it the first time.... What a waste of Lady Sif....
@@MystiqMiu Also, what a ringing endorsement. 'Loki makes the MCU exciting again, because I really like boring scenes' 😂
I really enjoyed this show and I’m hyped for the next season. Also, that scene of old Loki projecting Asguard was hella cool. It’s nice to see that even though Loki usually gets pooped on in his many face offs he has some truly godlike power buried within.
Some people will complain about "too much talking" in movies and TV, but listen to Joe Rogan talk about chimpanzee's stoned out of his mind for 3 hours.
You've never watched him huh?
Well, that’s what they’ve signed up for when they click on a podcast. Movies and TV sell themselves as being visual mediums. Joe Rogan isn’t trying to tell a grand story in an interconnected universe, he’s trying to run his mouth for a few hours and upload it online for people to watch. The objectives and expectations are completely different.
@@fish1207 what episode?
Joe is a know-it-all and proves time and again that he is simply a bullsh tter.
There's people that think transformers is great.
Those are the people complaining.
It's weird watching everybody hate on this show. It's the best of the three
Majority loved this show
I only struggle with this show because Loki got sidelined and was underpowered throughout the whole show
I have not heard anyone hate on this show
This title perfectly describes how I feel. The other two shows just kinda felt meh, Loki sets up the greater MCU and basically explains what they’re doing with Spider-Man No Way Home because at first the rumors sounded convoluted but now it makes 100% sense.
I completely forgot about the fact that there were rumors saying that all three spideys are gonna meet
"MCU fanboys annoyed the infinity stones are paperweights" -No, the MCU fanboys were ecstatic that they were, as it is comic accurate
Yea, it honestly annoyed me like... do they NOT read the comics??? And they have the nerve to call it lazy writing... just say you never read the comics 😂
Even without reading the comics I understood and wasn't mad that the infinity stones are paperweights. It doesn't take away the value they had in the Infinity Saga but we've moved on from it now and the stones becoming paperweights just sets up the scale the MCU is going for now.
It wasn’t mcu fanboys, it was casuals who went “but I thought the infinity stones were all power” don’t get me started on the “oh stark and Natashas death was pointless argument”
@@grouchyjudge this comment made visibly angry,and its just because you used "Idiot Casuals"
@@grouchyjudge well you could have Used Casuals or Causal Enjoyers isntead of fucking Idiot Casuals.
I’m happy that season 2 was on par with season 1 now
If I was Tom Hiddleston, I would probably fall in love with another version of me too
You’re weird
@@XyZolda no he's not
Your profile pic is the face I'm making while reading this comment lmao
@@XyZolda No he’s not
Cant believe how many comments I saw complaining that the finale had "too much dialogue and not enough action." MCU fans have become brainwashed
The whole show is absolutely terrible, regardless.
@@HALF_DAY Why so?
I thought the final episode was great!
@@HALF_DAY Sorry you think that!
I know right they’re just people who don’t have patience and can’t watch a movie if it doesn’t have action every five minutes
I don’t see enough people talking about the score for this show. The music is really good.
W
you're so right it's crazy
Loki: starts the Infinity Saga by disappointing Thanos
Sylvie: starts the ... Saga by killing HWR, unleashing Kang in the process
The scene where Sylvie showed the TVA soldier lady her past life annoyed me and felt so disappointing. I wanted to see her past and they missed such a blatant opportunity for her character development.
Showing Renslayer's past life just to explain a pen that was completely ignored felt wasteful as well..
Her character wasn’t important to the overall story so why would she need character development
@@MystiqMiu I agree that it is wasteful but it literally took like less than 10 seconds to explain her past life so I don't think it matters much in a 6 episode show where each episode is 40+ minutes long lmao
Yeah, we saw her going inside the mind of the hunter with dreadlock but somehow we didn't see Hunter B-15's past? Also, in episode 2, we saw her can go inside people when talked to Loki but in the next episodes, we never see her doing it again.
the score in LOKI is so underrated. the unique music in this show is huge reason why i loved it so much.
Wandavision ended with actions scenes just for the sake of actions scenes and the final felt like a normal MCU movie.
Loki ended with an almost 40 minutes dialogue full of character developpement.
Yeah I kinda prefere Loki.
Kind of agree tbh. I enjoyed Wandavision a fair bit and F&WS was decent for the most part, but Loki had the most impact and even already knowing that multiverse stuff is gonna happen seeing what kicks it off was thrilling to watch.
I'm not sure if selfcest is morally right or not, but I can say this: It does exist in our world due to doujin artists saying "Reality can be whatever I want", and let me tell you...Whooo boy, is it a wild ride...This series may have awakened a second Renaissance in that Tag Genre and I am all for- and I should probably stop talking, now.
6:42 He learns to love himself a little too well
if my alternate counterpart was looking like that then shit i might have to hit too
@@orangejuice4266 fuck yeah same here
When people complain about pacing and not enough action even though it's actually character development and world building, you end up with stupid garbage like JJ Abrams Star Wars and Michael Bay Transformers which are just mindless action and explosions with no substance.
Hey, cut JJ some slack. His SW movies were PACKED with characterization.
@@jakubrejak1114 I sense sarcasm.
@@Vossenator I'm deadass serious.
@@jakubrejak1114 lol, if you say so. The characters had potential I suppose but it amounted to nothing.
@@Vossenator it wasnt his fault after the first movie the other directors derailed everything
The show had ups and downs and some truly bad side characters, but that finale was awesome and Majors is going to be great fun to watch going forward!
Agreed
@sussy Kanye balls why, it explained everything and introduced an unexpected villian
@@austincarlson9270 no story ever should wait until the very end to introduce a villain. That's literally writing 101
@@blinkachu5275 it's a reveal/cliffhanger, renslayer is also a villaian and so is alothiath, saying it's writing 101 is so dumb, it's just not your normal story, it just doesn't follow normal storytelling, that doesn't mean it should be worse that makes literally no sense. Kang will be probably the villian for the next season, this wasn't a movie, it's a show, keep that in mind
@@austincarlson9270 If that's what you want to believe, then by all means :)
It absolutely follows normal story telling. The main arc for Loki is literally the villain of a previous story becoming an anti-hero, learning to put others in front of his own desires.
Again, it's writing 101. There's a reason rules of writing exist, because with those rules exceptional works have been released. Loki is decent, but fails in a lot of areas, one of which is that most of it is just setup for a future show or movie, instead of being its own contained story. In the future someone that's new to Loki cannot stop at the end of the show and be fulfilled.
They just needed more episodes. As was the case for literally every Marvel show after WandaVision. WandaVision is the ONLY show that felt like a full story from a to z. Which they then fuck up with Dr. Strange in the Multiverse of Madness but that's besides the point.
The romantic subplot is a pretty accurate depiction of a trauma bond.
Episode 5 was my favourite. Richard E Grant carried the show for me, despite his small amount of screen time.
His last stand was so epic.
MCU fans:i can’t believe he is in love with a female version of himself thats so weird!
Me who knows canonically loki shapeshifted into a lady horse to seduce and mate with a male who then give birth to a baby horse with 8 legs:haha yea..
i was WAITING for this
Me too buddy
Same here!!
I literally said this out loud when I clicked the notification lol
Same
This are my scores for the Marvel shows:
- Wandavison: 7
- FATWS: 7
- Loki: 9
Same except FATWS is an 8 for me
I see both Wanda Vision and Loki equally good, but I love Loki’s character waaaay more so, I prefer to watch him
For me is Wandavision:9/10,TFATWS:9.5/10,Loki 9.7/10 and it’s IMO
Honestly, I think I feel the exact same. To me, Wandavision is a 7 the entire show, while FATWS starts off kinda weak, at like a 4 or 5, but picks up so much in episode 4, then the show gets a lot better for me, up to like an 8. And Loki had me invested pretty much the whole show, but I didn't really think the judge was ever interesting, and they never seemed to do anything with the child Loki, he seemed kinda interesting, but he sorta disappeared after Loki and Sylvie went to go fight Alioth
For me:
WandaVision: 9
FATWS: 7
Loki: 8
Lokis gender in Loki is listed as Fluid, they show it in New Rockstars breakdown of the first episode
Thanos: Saved till the end of phase 3
Kang: Used from the beginning of phase 4