When Does Marvel Legends Win You Back?
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- Опубликовано: 29 май 2024
- The Marvel Legends Cabal pre-order pricing snafu seemed to bring out some harsh feelings about the Marvel Legends line all over again despite some major strides the brand has taken in the past year and a half.
What would it take for collectors to fully embrace the line after a rough patch in the early 2020s?
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I have to give it to the ML team, they really managed to regroup after some less than stellar years and in 2024 (so far) avoided major blunders while delivering certified bangers. Let's hope this momentum will be maintained in 2025 as well.
Hopefully. I absolutely appreciate them fixing some of their mistakes and getting things back on track.
Man I want to give the team so much credit. Dan asked people what figures did they want in the future, and one of my 3 picks was a Movie Carnage. They knocked it out of the park and I couldn’t be more grateful 💯
Right! They have really tried to address some of their issues from previous years and are going strong now.
I agree 💯 I want that sh figuarts one but I ain't paying $250
Marvel legends is starting to win me back because they are focusing a bit more on quality over quantity this year.
The figure specifically that genuinely made me fall back in love with the line, was the announcement of the new Cable. I am such a diehard MvC2 fan, it’s nearly a perfect adaptation.
That Cable is really nice and they're helping to finish off their side of the MvC equation!
Still love how you keeping our hopes up for Warbird Jeff!
Absolutely. You know she's on my want list too!
Love the new warbird, now I wish they could do both 6in versions of the classic style Ms. Marvel in seventies. I don't want a multi pack, but in single releases. Original version of Death bird with staff would be awesome also.
Warbird is a baddie. Must have
...yeah, Brother Lyles...I had that hasbro hate locked and loaded. But when you clarified it, I had to concede.
I still think task master needed soft goods cape...
LOL. I think they're trying it out with the soft goods cape. Doom was a smart choice since he came out relatively recent enough that folks could opt to use the original while there would probably be a lot of outrage from the other half of collectors who hate soft goods.
It’s definitely a tight rope walk. Me and many other collectors dislike soft goods. I think they look goofy outside of Mezco figures. So like he said Doom is the perfect figure for a soft good cape attempt as I have that figure.
Man I agree with you it seems like no matter what some people will always be mad
I guess it's human nature. It does seem like the ML team is trying to make a real effort to address some major concerns.
Marvel legends team are bringing out some justice but not fully achieved as all but gotta give em their props and we still haven’t seen a hands on review of that amazing Superior Spiderman
For me, a solid effort is what's most important. I don't mind making a decent figure better a few years later. I just hate when they release something like that original Tigra and then have to fix her in the box set a few months later instead of giving us another West Coast member.
The Avengers 60th subtheme won me back for good. So many excellent figures there. I still wait for discounts on a lot of figures, but overall I’m a bigger ML fan right now than I’ve ever been.
That Beyond Earth's Mightiest series was so good and the Giant-Man and Wasp kept it rolling too.
Great insight and overview of Marvel Legends downs and ups.
Thanks so much Casey!
At the end of the day, Hasbro distribution is a turn-off since the pandemic. There have been too many figures that sold out that fans wanted. Many collectors are fed up with limited availability of products. 🤦🏾♂️
Which figures have been hard for you to find? Power Princess, Goblin Queen and the 20th Anniversary Cap have been the hardest ones for me to find since the pandemic.
@@LylesFigureFilesfor me personally, every wave past Quantumania. I’ve still never seen any of X-men 97 wave 1 or the new scarlet spider in stores. Most of that X-men wave has shot up to ungodly prices now. I don’t like ordering stuff online or feeling like I should have to. Unless it’s an exclusive, I should never have the fear of not finding a figure I want.
I'm a Marvel Legends, Transformers and G.I.Joe Classified fan. There has been 2 or 3 figures that I gave up on every year! Clea, Power Princess, the Daredevil 3 pack, Serpentor, Swoop, Snow Serpents, Vipers, Trailbreaker, Dr. Mindbender, Sideswipe, the V.A.M.P., Cobra Eels, movie Deadpool, Core class Megatron and some others.🤦🏾♂️
@@BoogSReviews Im the exact opposite sick of wasting time driving around looking for figures at shops. It is easy enough to order almost everything I want and have it shipped to house rather than wasting tons of gas and all that time. If in store will duck into toy section but usually a 1-2 min look and see nothing and move on
@allenwhiteside7838 I agree. Clinging to the past will only leave you in the dust. Adapt & overcome. True, there can be times where a lot of figures you want, are sold out across all online shops.
Driving to all stores within a 45 minute radius of me is no longer something I care to do! Lol I guess after a decade of it, it no longer feels like the juice is worth the squeeze. Also, your location is pretty key, plus just some luck in timing. Again, within a 45 minute radius of me, I have 8 Targets, 12 Walmarts & 3 Game Stops ( was more in the past ). Also, 5 Toys R Us & 3 K-Marts, when they still existed. Also 6 TJX's & Marshalls, 3 Five Belows & 3 Barnes & Nobles & 4 Best Buys. So, yeah I can't complain, in terms of location.
Also, I've seen all the figures that was mentioned. Except for Power Princess. Certain figures I have, such as Clea, I got from Pulse. Only I'm not spending hundreds of dollars on these things anymore. More cherry-picking these days. Unless, it's just a plain awesome figure. Such as the Walgreens exclusive Thing. Even though I have a strong X-Men focus, I do have some Avengers, Spider-Man & various other characters. Although, I did miss out on a bunch of X-Men multi packs & the Blob. I'll have to back fill those later, when I can.
Awesome vid, man! You definitely brought up alot of good points. I'm more excited about Legends than I have been in a long time. Especially can't wait for that Ghost Rider Danny Ketch!! ✌️
Thanks so much. I've been waiting on Ketch for a minute and really looking forward to him.
I think Ross last year was the best bet to army build Multiple Man.
It's wild. Never saw one there!
The plasticless packaging packaging really killed my enthusiasm for collecting. I don't unbox so it started to fill like I was spending all that money on cardboard boxes. My collection will always feel incomplete because I have actual figures from a team and then I have a box that supposedly has the figure it. I still haven't forgiven the Robbie Reyes Haslab. I don't like missing out on a figure based on a character of color and Hasbro's greed is 90% to blame.
I wonder if they'll revisit Robbie even if he doesn't come with the Hellcharger down the road?
Legends has won me back. 2019 was a high year for them, and they continued to make bad decisions that hurt the line and they kept trajecting downward until about Q3 last year.
Once I could see a noticeable improvement, by bringing back window packaging, adding in more accessories, and also doing a ton of new tooling, I started to become satisfied with my purchases at $25 again.
2024 is clear that they're trying to turn the shop around. Nearly every wave and every multpack has been completely acceptable and I don't feel like they're gouging us or taking advantage of us. Hulkbuster was the first item in a while to feel overpriced, but that's the outlier and not the norm. They're doing more right than wrong nowadays, at that's enough for me to give them the benefit of the doubt again.
Well said. Yeah, Hulkbuster is overpriced, but I appreciate he's the first one in a long time that doesn't appear to offer much to be worth the price.
I'm back in for all the pros that you listed. And thanks for the heads-up on the two X-Men three packs as I grabbed them on sale at Hasbro Pulse last week. As Primm's Hood Cinema said, You an All-Star."
Nice! Glad you got 'em. Sounds like some might have sold out now.
Well, I never left Legends buying, but if they want to take away my skepticism, they need to NOT put me through crap like that Warbird fiasco! And that's exactly what it was. Yeah, yeah, we've been promised that Target will plenty of figures in and they'll be available in July, but the stress I went through trying to figure out why the figure sold out in the blink of eye--why Target's site wasn't working--why Target didn't have triple the stock that they did?? I hate exclusives, and I despise the way Hasbo does "pre-orders." They're NOT pre-orders at all. They're just offering advanced sales of LIMITED quantities. It's not the same thing at all, and it simply is a gimmick to build hype and created FOMO. It might very well work, but eventually it will rub collectors the wrong way, and already has. Many people that left got tired of "jumping through the Hasbro hoops" of trying to get a figure. They're not willing to go through the stress that Hasbro has created with this tactic anymore. If Legends wants to keep me buying, they have to make their product more easy to obtain. Exclusives are, for the most part, a pain in the @$$, and Target exclusives during the first year of GI JOE CLASSIFIED contributed a lot to collector's discontent, which in turn helped to nearly kill the line. Luckily Hasbro changed course, and decided to re-issue Baroness and the Cobra Infantry figures, because the scalpers were the only ones who seemed to be collecting those exclusives. Legends has been doing much better, but I don't think the line is out of the woods yet. It's still on shaky ground despite all of Hasbro's recent efforts, so another misstep situation like the Warbird exclusive figure, could put Legends back in the doghouse. Yeah, it was Target's screwup, but the responsibility for all this exclusive business still falls at Hasbro's feet. The unattainable Warbird pre-order was a bad look for Legends. No more of that!
On the positive note, Kazar/Zabu wave was fun as is the new Iron Man wave! Kazar and Za-bu! Ikaris! Wolfsbane at last! A great looking She-Hulk! Finally getting a replacement for that dated, small-scale Iron Man 9 figure! Count Nefaria! Whiplash! We're also getting the Danny Ketch Ghost Rider! An (almost) classic Iron Fist! A new Doctor Doom with Doombot head...and a cloth-goods cape!! Who would have thunk it??! A new Taskmaster too! Things are just looking up and up! The X-Men '97 figures were a mixed bag, but mostly good I think. The sculpting and paint are improving across the board. I am hopefully that we will be able to get Warbird figures too, because she is exactly what I was hoping for. She's got some feminine shape and a modern and classic head that are both beautiful. I hope the Secret Wars figures that keep being mentioned include a nice, classic Rogue! That would be a hoot! It seems very likely that we'll get a brown and beige Wolverine figure that's pinless later in the year also. For me, this is the BEST Legends figures to come out since 2018, Jeffrey! I think Hasbo IS actually getting fans to come back to the line, but they need to take care not to stumble. I don't think they've fully earned the customer goodwill. They still have to keep the good stuff coming out if they want to get that back.
I hope you're able to get Warbird, man! You sound like you might be done with the line if you don't get her.
@@LylesFigureFiles Nah. I'll get her, I'm sure. Just venting frustrations, more or less. As long as Hasbro keeps striving to improve, and keeps giving us good, exciting figures we can get, Jeffrey, I'll be along for the ride. The problem about stating complaints is that complaints are by nature a negative, so if you leave them, it leaves only the negative vibe. Truth is I'm actually a happy collector of figures. I'm just not one to be a fan of something unconditionally. Hasbro's Legends team, by and large are doing well. I can tell you though, I'm not a guy who likes being jerked around much. Warbird got me excited, heated, and upset. I don't love stress, and that's one of the most stressful mornings that I've had in years in regards to toy shopping/hunting, etc, but that's as much on me as on Hasbro. I'm trying not to let my passion get the better. I feel confident I'll get the figure. I just don't think that Hasbro and Target should make these exclusive figures so difficult to get. I know I'm not going to cough up money for the scalpers on eBay, that's for sure. lol
My biggest issue with Marvel Legends are the sculpts. The heads are almost always too big and it throws the look off completely. The body proportions are also all over the place with low shoulders bad anatomy. The fact that they made their "standard" Vulcan body have permanent glove sculpt lines is also a weird decision considering it's going to have so much reuse. It feels like they skimp out on accessories as well.
Which figure using the Vulcan mold has been a problem with the glove lines? I think all the ones I have needed that glove sculpt.
@@LylesFigureFiles Off the top of my head, the new Kazar, Cyclops, Angel. I know there's more.
I mentioned this on other youtubers channels, but people can't forget that Hasbro is a business. The price increases are offsets for overall costs (e.g. net new molds, new technology, supply chain, etc). Their primary goal is not to save customers money. If you save money and they don't make the bottom line set by their shareholders, then they will cut the line. Haslab is more expensive to offset risk, limited runs content with net new molding etc. You can chose, as I did, not to fund these things and see if their course correction is enough to keep collecting
I've been pretty happy with their course correcting. Of course, I have largely been all-in with comic figures and way more selective with MCU offerings.
The prices are pretty expensive, and I'm saying that as a UK buyer...Ghost Rider is £60 here, which is equivalent to $75. The import taxes and shipping really bump these things up.
What do other lines cost there?
@@LylesFigureFiles The Hasbro lines are all similarly high. GI Joe's £25-£30, Black Series £25 (although often cheaper for discounted figs). McFarlane DC Universe are RRP £20. I got a couple of the Jada Universal Monsters for RRP £15 each a couple of months ago (Because Dracula and Frankenstein's Monster are Marvel things too😉).
What's crazy is when you go to Ollie's or Ross most of the Marvel Legends you'll find are movie related so it's really mind boggling that they blamed the comic waves for not selling well at retail
Oh you're sooo right! Very few comic figures are at my Ollies these days!
ML got me back a bit this year...I haven't bought a ML figure in years because I found the quality really lacking but this year I bought
- animated spidey
- last stand spidey
- anniversary cap
- supaidaman
- animated shocker
- she-hulk
- 97 jean grey
- 97 nightcrawler
- Cable
I STILL think that ML is overpriced for what they offer in many cases...I think the accessories are severely lacking but I got the bug again and also pre-ordered:
- cabal 3 pack
- SHIELD 3 pack
- Logan/Sabertooth
- Colossus/Juggernaut
- Danny Ketch GR
- Scarlet Spider
I still think I LOVE other figure lines more. I do think what I am doing now is getting into the idea of just getting my ideal figure and then being done outside of characters I collect like Spider-Man (I'm picky), Agent Venom, Venom, etc. I will jump on that 85th anniversary Venom. The fact that if I want anything I have to get it online sucks a bit...I miss being able to just go to Target and pick up a new figure...seems like Gamestop does better than Target does :| I had Cable pre-ordered and then I walked into a Gamestop and they had like 3 of them. Getting the Revoltech Agent Venom made me really think I might start pulling back from the more "on the shelf" figures and just get one of those every now and then.
I think they could/should create some more unique accessory parts to further justify the price point, but I don't feel underwhelmed like I was in 2020-2021.
I never lost my enthusiasm but it did decline some. Better quality in the lineup helps for sure. Would rather see a bit fewer figs at better quality levels. The new Cable looks great. Just depends on the figures and how they are depicted, etc.
I think that's where they've had their biggest success now in knocking out how the figures look.
They are definitely on the up IMO, this year has given me many reasons to collect more ML. The big ones for me have been the X-men ‘97 figures, the recent Zabu wave even if there are characters I don’t care for, and my most wanted - Danny Ketch GR.
Yeah, that's always the thing with the BAF offerings. I'm OK with one meh figure for a BAF that I want and they have certainly started to get some overdue figures like that Ketch GR!
Amazing video Jeffrey - thanks. Your topic is very poignant in 2024 considering the indiscretions recently experienced in years prior with ML. There are many positives that the ML team can be responsible for in 2024 that erase bad memories. Yet I am weary of the possibilities that ML can reduce the gains earned by sliding back into those dreary days. A phenomenon within the action figure community is the capability for anyone with their own likes be comfortable with others that do not share in the same. My perspective on the ML team's work is a cautious optimistic one. For every Sharon Carter there is a Red Widow. Yet that doesn't make ML any different from the offerings from other companies. Great work m'man.
Thanks Jay. I try and remember that they're not making every wave according to my wish list. Red Widow makes sense for a modern Winter Guard even if I'd rather get a Crimson Cowl for example.
Hey Jeff, as you probably know, I'm a mark for Hasbro Marvel Legends so I'll never give up on them. Where else am I gonna get figures with this deep a roster, with excellent paint and articulation for only 25% of the cost of imports like MAFEX?
That being said, Hasbro has made both Good and Bad choices, so I'll try to sum up my list as follows. Some of these you already touched on...
GOOD: 1. Constantly improving bucks by adding different body types and improved articulation. 2. Completing teams quicker. 3. More accessories these days. 4. More focus on Comic Book characters (might change, time will tell) 5. Super deep bench that gives me the characters I know plus teaching me in some cases about those I don't.
BAD: 1. Trying out too many price points: Make a default price point ($24.99) and a Deluxe price point ($39.99) and stick to it. 2. Pre-Order date madness: Give us real delivery dates so we can better plan our budget$. 3. Unwanted figures to get pieces for desirable BaF's: This is controversial because one man's Wolverine is another man's Ikaris (no hate) I get it, every one has a different favorite obscure character, however, I'd like to be able to buy a Zabu deluxe figure without needing to get an Ikaris. (Good figure, I just don't want any Eternals). 4. Chunky plastic capes: If I wanted a statue I would buy those, but I want to pose my characters so I buy Marvel Legends. Some of these chunky plastic capes make it impossible (or less fun). Let's do fabric capes with wires so we can get dynamic poses. I know some people don't like soft goods but I feel it's because too many in the past were like simple, thin pieces of cloth with no form. If you do them like MAFEX, thicker, heavier and with wires, I think people would be happier. More $$$ but probably worth it for the characters that need it.
Anyway, still love 'em, always will. Good video Jeff! -"Always Runnin' at the Mouth" RetroRobo.
Thanks man!
I do wonder how a Thor figure for example would work with a cloth cape. He'd be one of the next ones I'd like to see them experiment with on that front.
@LylesFigureFiles If done right, I think it could look great. I see what MAFEX did with the cape on their STEEL action figure so I can see it working at that scale.
Imo its like the movie the Menu. When hasbro puts in genuine love and care for their toys they come out with bangers while mcu figures and some comic figures are more to hit deadlines or pump something out. Its when the sculptors and painters and manufacturers are given time and resources and something to actually put effort into where it shines. Retro Tombstone, Movie Carnage, She Hulk retro, Wolverine vs Sabretooth, Etc. All bangers cause they were made with pure love. I actually pre ordered the Movie Carnage even though i HATE how he looked in the movie. But the pure love and passion in the figure made me actually love it. A figure of genuine effort and love actually made me 180 on a character I despise. THAT is how it should be done from now on. Actually put in effort and love and your talent will win people over in your products
I'm glad to hear you dug the movie Carnage figure. I still haven't seen the movie yet!
2024 is Marvel legends year
It's really feeling like it!
I was getting fed up with Hasbro and ML for awhile because all we were getting was MCU stuff (I have no use for it) and remakes of the same few characters - countless variants of Spiderman, Iron Man, Capt. America and Wolverine. This year we got a lot of classic comic book characters, which is all I care about as far as ML goes. We got Count Nefaria, Whiplash, a re-release of Kingpin, classic Wasp and Giantman, Iron Fist, the SHIELD 3-pack (one of the few releases worth of a 3-pack), etc.
What is still irritating me from Hasbro are the two-packs. I wanted a classic looking Iron Fist but have no use for the modern "thug with bling" Luke Cage and I know some people claim the Iron Fist is more based off his modern incarnation but they're virtually indistinguishable and now the ONLY way to get Iron Fist is to buy a 2-pack and pay extra for a figure I don't want and then have to sell off on Ebay. Same for this Cabal 3-pack. I don't read any comics after around 1986 and have no idea what the Cabal is. But now if I want classic Taskmaster, he'll likely never be a single release and I'll be damned if I'm gonna buy a 3 pack for 1 figure I might want. Luckily I never warmed to Taskmaster and most likely would not get him but it's the principle because it will continue to happen. So I want an end to two-packs and 3-packs unless they're logical sets, like SHIELD agents. Anyone who wants a Nick Fury SHIELD classic figure (with the original head) will also love to have Dum Dum Duggan and Sharon Carter. It's unlikely someone would want only one of those.
I'm also getting impatient with how long it's taking to build teams. We got Blackbolt and a very poorly done Medusa quite a few years ago. Then they released Karnal this past year. How long before we see Triton, Gorgon, Crystal and Maximus to complete the team? And Blackbolt on an updated body? The Avengers team will NEVER be complete until we see an original costume Wonderman, Swordsman, and Mantis.
We also have a dearth of villains. We're missing tons of villains. Instead of releasing a 99th variant of Iron Man, Spiderman, and Wolverine, how about giving us classic and important villains? The FF STILL does not have a Frightful Four (Wizard, Sandman in his green tech costume, Trapster, and either an updated Medusa or Thundra or the Brute), Mad Thinker (a 2-pack with a 2" Android would be a good thing in this case), Attuma, Blastaar, Annihilus, Rama Tut, etc. We need Gabriel the Airwalker. We've gotten pretty much every herald Galactus has ever had except his 2nd one, the Airwalker. The Avengers are still missing Korvac, Graviton, the Melter (for a Masters of Evil set), Immortus, the Collector, and many others. Major villains like Mandarin and Mephisto are still missing. I've like to complete my collection before I'm 100 years old and it feels like that's how long it's going to take.
So for me, it boils down to:
1. Stop making 2- and 3-packs and putting vital figures behind the multi-pack paywall
2.Finish off teams they started, before giving us a 99th variant of Iron Man, Spiderman, and Wolverine
3. Release far more villains
So, a lot of your perspective is because you're not reading Marvel beyond a certain period. And you've gotta admit that 86 is a long time to be away from the Marvel product.
Yeah, Iron Fist's costume is actually from the New Avengers to match up with that look from Cage. He has one of those costumes that's hard to improve on so they just tweak. Same with Taskmaster. This isn't the classic look for him either. It's close, but if you want the classic look wait for those as that's not what these costumes are meant to portray. I get wanting that classic look, but this isn't Hasbro being funny. They're pairing these characters with complementary characters that match the specific era.
I'm always down for more villains!
@@LylesFigureFiles Yeah, I pretty much can't stand just about everything that's been published after 1986. Some consider me a snob, but I grew up on the classics and the best writers and artists, so I am definitely biased towards higher quality stuff. It's like being raised on Beethoven and Mozart and then trying to listen to Justin Bieber and that twerking girl (forget her name).
My problem is that we'll never get CLASSIC versions of so many of these characters because they're going with altered modern versions. The classics are what Marvel is built on. We have a massive number of classic characters, so why not keep making them? They sell, that's for sure, and many of them still have the same costumes.
But yeah, we're lacking so many villains! If they'd stop making 99 versions of the same 3 characters, maybe we could get more villains and new, previously unreleased characters. But overall, so far 2024, I have to say Hasbro has upped their game significantly. I really can't wait for the Strange Tales reveal. That one almost has to be a great wave of classic villains.
I've heard that the cabal 3-pack was supposed to be a 4-pack. If true, I could see the 4-pack being 100 and then the new price for the 3-pack got lost in the corporate bureaucracy.
Yep, Rektangular commented on the Cabal video so that is as much verification as we could get unless Hasbro drops in ;-)
When they start making new energy blast effects and stop reusing the SAME ones…
I'd like to see more blast effects too!
good topic bro
the deeper heavier things
my biggest gripe now is price and the doom pack
some people say we never get to see the sales
well maybe I d like to see them now
as I feel like Joes and legends carry the burden
of bad losses with the tv Marvels and bad movie flops
perhaps also too much variety, obscure figs
there s exactly 2 guys in total New York
that want them... end on clearance - loss
the packages
ok, it s clear, I see the face now
but accessories are stuck in plastic tight, enough to fear to break them now, I miss the Joe locker,
or the other ways to keep them sealed but loose.
I looove the shield 3 pack, as it s ideal to build your own team, all heads swap!
but I hate the cabal 3 pack, when I just want doom! should I wait clearance?
high prices shuffles the deck, people wait clearances, 0 sells, then all sells!
here in Can, it goes from $33 to 45 + tax for a reg fig, euh, that s out of impulse buying range,
un heatlhy for the hobby, a factor of crash, like the comics in the 90s, still worthless today...
maybe some guys can investigate at the losses on these tv show figs, it could explain a lot.
so now you know...
good show bro
Thanks so much man! I did dig the Joe footlocker too, but I'm so glad I can see everything in the packaging again.
@@LylesFigureFiles yeah, face prints can still be an issue, the legends s woman shield is a risk in the 3 pack, now, we can check for it before we pick it. thanks bro
I thought I was subscribed already, sorry for delay dude. But yeah that Cabal set. Shoulda had a better The Hood in it. Just sayin lol or a newer Namor.
But the Dan Ketch definitely has me thinking Hasbro is listening
All good. Thanks for doing so now!
Well, guess that still leaves the door open for them to do another three pack of the remaining Cabal members? That Dan Ketch looks so cool!
3 Build A Figure Waves in a row not being available at retail has been pretty annoying to me. I finally got a Mindless One built, but I still need to get Void and Zabu waves. I feel like there have just been WAY too many exclusives lately. The only new figures I'm seeing in stores are random retro card figures and the MCU reissues nobody really wants. I managed to find the X-Men '97 figures, but they've been barely stocked. Distribution needs to improve for me to really get back on board.
That's fair. I think they've had to work to get goodwill with retailers. The Zabu wave is apparently going to be in stores so that's an encouraging sign.
I really like the shield three pack.
Yeah, I think they did a nice job on it. I still need to get it of course 🙂
Marvel Legends never lost me. They give me the Figures I want, price isn't outrageous yet, if not as low as I want them to be. I long for the days of the $20. And, for the most part, I like what they are putting out. I'm Army Building, filling out Teams, World Building, and the good stuff. Most recently 7 Figures on my 'Holy Grails' list are now in my hand. My Holy Grails used to number over 100. Now, after 30 years and 2 months, I'm down to 10. Well, really 11 as I still want Comics Mantis. After getting The Squadron Supreme, I am now down to;
Thunderbolts;
Techno/Fixer
Atlas
(Optional Jolt)
Comics Swordsman
(Optional) Comics Mantis
Warriors Three
(Optional) Balder
Wrecking Crew
Of course I will buy many more than these, but it shows how many Grails Marvel has put out for me. I mean, where do I go when I already have 75 different Avengers, 54 X-Men in 4 different Teams, original 7 Defenders, a Fantastic 8, not even counting my Villain Teams. I also realize I'll probably never get a Complete Imperial Guard, a Complete Circus of Crime, Complete Zodiac etc. 😆
I need to work on my must-haves, the would very much like and it would be cool list. I would love more Imperial Guard!
Although you gotta admit Jada is pretty damn good right now.
No hate at all for Jada. They're like a cheaper Mafex in the sense that they release a limited quantity so their figures should (and are) be better than a line that has a wider release like GI Joe, Star Wars, DC Multiverse, Transformers, etc.
Seems like the wrong price didnt really matter since a lot of people jumped on it anyway signaling to hasbro that people would pay that much for at least two mediocre figures that nobody asked for or wanted until it was announced . How many people even know about cabal hell i dont even know them but admittedly i stop reading comics in 1984 but how many new collectors know them ? I buy marvel figures i like and 90% of them im not interested in but thats how i treat most companies and licenses . Being mostly a collector of supervillians ,monsters and fantasy stuff there is very little hasbro drops that i want . As long as they can keep selling wolverine ,spiderman and iron man repaints i dont see me buying any more from them than i ever have . Toy collectors are a weird bunch sense a lot collectors make a lot of excuses for companies they would not do for other products or the companies who make them . We complain about high prices for food but pay hundreds of dollars for toys or more on a regular basis . Im cutting back on toys realizing there are more important things to spend money on . It will end soon .
The opening prices then clearancing or dropping prices inalmost every fig makes me not excited to grab anything at release.
I don't think we're going to see a lot of that this year.
@@LylesFigureFiles I'm willing to play the long game. I already have a lot of figs anyway. I'm not a completionist.
I am new to Marvel Legends, what I do not understand is limiting the stock, allowing scalping and fake figures from aliexpress being a thing. It is a terrible business model, let people buy stuff and they will buy stuff, you will get the money Hasbro
First I'm hearing of the fake figures from aliexpress. What's the deal on that end?
@@LylesFigureFiles very neatly done copies, often cant tell the difference until opened (good copies of the box as well). When opened you can tell by cheap parts etc. Sold for half the price of originals. Have to be weary with some figures on Ebay because they may be fake
This has been a fantastic rebound year for them. I didn’t buy a lot last year but I think I already have surpassed that number this year. I
Nice. They had a ton of good releases last year too.
Right there is some major hate out there. I try to not get involved with it. Dan has been putting out so many Fires as of late. Been on top of it with the concern of the community. Target been also stepping it up as you pointed out. Not stressing it with warbirds. Finally got my hands on the shield three pack very solid and the new sculpt looks amazing. Now working on that Ironman Retro wave no sign of it by now but hopefully in a matter of a week I get my hands on them. The price has been a major point on me completing waves and I moved to Comics more anything. But select stores not getting them made it a mission Void is a prime one and Amazon has some figures going for $40 wow crazy times.
Which ones are $40 besides Power Princess, who is like the serious exception!
@@LylesFigureFiles never mind Namorita went down to $26 she was up there in price with Power Princes
My frustration with the line is pretty much gone at this point. Hasbro and the Marvel Legends team is having a fantastic 2024, and I’ve been as free with my praise this year as I was with my criticism the last couple of years. I’ve always said that the standards I hold Hasbro and the Marvel Legends team to are the standards they set themselves. When they’re meeting or exceeding those standards like they have been this year, I’m a very happy camper. I admire brand loyalty as much as the next person, but at the end of the day, I’m their customer, not their emotional support animal. 😜
:-) Yep, we know how good they can be and just want that level of consistency with most or all of the figures.
They need to be more consumer friendly.
There’s slot of figures you can’t get that should always be available
Which ones are you having trouble finding?
“Who are you?!” 😂
LOL
I backed the Giant-Man Haslab, but I wish the Haslab came with the Wasp/Giant-Man Two Pack, a 12-inch Giant-Man, a tiny wasp, and a 3.75 wasp.
I'm hoping Hasbro can figure out a way to make a tiny Wasp and Ant-Man with some articulation.
I do feel like the community got really sour last year. The figures keep improving, double knee joins and double elbow joints are standard, even on the female figures. We are getting butterfly joints and diaphragm joints on more figures. Teams are getting completed. From an improvement standpoint, I would like to see a waist ball joint to bring the figures more in line with premium figures such as mafex. Stop doing rubber/plastic capes, wire capes shouldn't be much different from a cost standpoint. Capes are used to show movement in a static pose, I would prefer to not ebay them as an upgrade.
Not having MCU figures clog up the shelves has been a dream come true, the only ones in my collection are moon knight and Khonshu, since those look comics-like.
As far as what would it take to get me back, they didn't really lose me. Marvel legends in my favorite line of "affordable" figures, and I would be willing to shell out more of a premium for wired soft goods, and better torso articulation.
A few things I hope they stop doing. 2/3 packs where clearly 1 figure is what we want, and the other figure feels like a forced price increase. Build-a-figure lines with a small build-a-figure, or half the figures being undesirable. I love the void as a character, I can't bring myself to spend another $100 for the 4 figures I have yet to get, when I don't really want them. Minor tweaks or improvement to a figure we got recently. Releasing new versions of characters, then later releasing the iconic version. I felt like spider-man, dr. doom, wolverine had 4-5 iterations in a short period of time. It feels bad to buy one and 6-12 months later you have a better one, then 6-12 months later you again have a better one.
Otherwise, everything is going in the right direction, Hasbro team has been knocking it out of the park in 2024.
I think there's just certain characters they have to keep on rotation like Spider-Man, Wolverine, etc. so they're kind hamstrung on that front.
It feels like for every collector happy to see soft goods, there's another who hates the idea. Don't think they can really win on that front.
I've also really been enjoying Marvel Legend's recent change in direction. I think a ot of the MCU heavy product is the direct result of pressure from big box retail. What do all of these recent waves that didn't find a home in big box stores have in common? No movie figs. Hmmm...
I don't think that's an accident. The dip in quality of the MCU films was having a negative impact on the Marvel Legends figures too.
Dan Dwight and Ryan been doing their best and most of the things people complain about are our of their control.
Yeah, I feel like it's been very clear that they have been trying to deliver a ton of wanted characters with no MCU hold-ups.
When they drop these ridiculous prices. Even 74.99 is to much 3 should be 59.99 especially when your buying groups in a box set ! You should offer them cheaper.
That is the price of three Marvel Legends though.
Hasbro lost me a long time ago. I pick and choose items. But if someone else was making marvel items at this size I would completely jump ship. I don't like the retro card without Baf. Same price less items. Higher prices for repaint and same sculpt. They have gotten better with retooling, but price is all over the place. 60 for hulkbuster should have been 40.
There always one lol
Hulkbuster has really been the only figure lately that the price seemed out of wack.
@@LylesFigureFiles I agree that hulkbuster is priced out of wack, however I also disagree because I believe that Marvel legends are over priced for what you get as far as in package value. Compared to other toy lines like Jada, Marvel select heck even a toy line within hasbro Gi joe Classified. In some case, they have added more accessories to the multiple pack. But single release are still scarce. Mcfarlane doesn't give many accessories, but the sculpts are worth the cost. ML can't even sculpt a lip on a boot or glove. Lazy if you ask me. I find my self having to do extra work to repaint, sculpt, touch paint find and adding accessories to bring it to standard. For the old female figure, I use to drill a hole and put rods in their legs to stop from being gummy and warping. Thing I shouldnt have to do. The figures have improved, but I still don't see the value if the makes sense.
I think they won me back because they're giving me a chance to get a lot of figures i missed out on like the kingpin, Deadpool, silver suffer, the ghost rider from the 90s and a lot of new comic book figures
I'm glad both ML and Star Wars are bringing old figures back in rotation. Absolutely important for new fans to get some longtime favorites.
I would love to See exodus and magneto's acolytes in Marvel Legends
I would like to see them too. How many Acolytes are essential?
@@LylesFigureFiles the ones from x-men #1
I was a mcfarlane only collector for a while back there, but now im back coz of the iron men. So mcf and mL again, but more ncf still haha. But im back
The Iron Men figures have been really good as of late!
Personally, I don't currently have any major complaints with Marvel Legends. I do think some of their figures could come with a few more accessories and/or alternate heads, hair, and hands. I prefer a chance at a deluxe figure over a build-a-figure, but it seems like I'm in the minority there. Otherwise, just keep completing those teams. Let's get a Feral... more GenX characters,... more Serpent Society... Reavers... X-Statix... maybe a new Wrecking Crew.
Man, how fun would the X-Statix team be in ML form? I'm fine with getting both deluxes and BAFs :-)
@@LylesFigureFiles Same here. I don't hate the idea of BAFs... it just sucks when you have to buy figures that you have no interest in. I'm just glad they stopped the B.S. of making BAFs like Rocket Raccoon, or Hit Monkey. Even regular sized characters are lame to me. It should always be an oversized character or large creature. Otherwise, don't do it.
I still enjoy Legends, but if Hasbro put as much effort into them as they do the properties they own...(G.I. Joe, for example) I think they would see an increase in satisfied collectors.
It's more that they don't have to put some of that money into paying the licensor back some of the profit for the sales. They've got more money to work with for the properties they own.
Hasbro playing that Roberta Flack song
When they move away from the Vulcan buck.
LOL
More comic based waves over MCU wins me back for sure 🎉
Right!!
I'm torn honestly. My Spidey collection is pretty much complete. Unless they release a McFarlane style Hobgoblin, Spidey or Lizard. I'm going to skip. X-Men I can't get enough though. My dream would be a Animated Hulk line with a new body mold. Capable of doing the thunder clap or a redesign of the Moonstone body mold with modern articulation for the ladies.
There's still a surprising amount of Spider-Man characters I'd want from The Enforcers to Ned Leeds to Flash and most of the supporting cast. Which Hulk animated characters would you want to see?
@@LylesFigureFiles Leader, Abomination and a new Doc Samson!
Well, I’m sitting on a pile loop and I’m opening stuff as I feel like I need an endorphins hit. I just opened the marvel legends Angel the plastic around the legs is super gummy. One of the other figures that I’ll open next is the sabertooth wolverine Two pack I hope their legs aren’t gummy.
Sorry to hear about your Angel. Wonder if it was a one-off or if all of them are like that.
@@LylesFigureFiles I hope it’s a one off. I just don’t want QC to go bad. That’s all marvel legends has to do. Do not give bad plastic.
I mean they don't have to win me back because I still get stuff when they make something I need but I sure would like a Viv Vision and a Luna Snow
They are pretty much done with The Champions besides Viv now, aren't they? And I guess young Cyclops?
@@LylesFigureFiles They still haven't done Nadia van Dyne Wasp in particular and also Snowguard and Ironheart Model III would be appreciated, but for the very first lineup yeah it's just Viv who doesn't have anything yet
Me my self would love some of them Toybiz marvel figures upgraded,,like the wrecking crew in a boxset ,,, Brimstone love,blood Hawk,Eric the red,a reissue of the Hell fire club,,moleman,fing fang foom,pit,and a lot of more for the true collectors who missed out ,, Mecha Hulk,beyonder,,an a few more ,,more villains I can go all day J they keep doing repaints why won't they do this with a twick or two too modernize them,, update them they have the molds ,,,😜👍💯
I hope we get an improved set of the Wrecking Crew soon!
@@LylesFigureFiles yes I've been waiting they can take my money 🤑
For me marvel legends needs a big update to win me back. I want them to do what jada is doing. I feel like i'm buying a figure that isn't as good as it should be when i buy a ML figure and i'm just waiting until the next "update" that is still not as good as it should be. Tired of the figure being held back because hasbro needs to make an extra billion dollars this year.
Jada is such a tough comparison. They've released six SF figures this year. Can't imagine too many ML fans being happy with that kind of release schedule even if they had the amount of love Jada puts into their figures.
@@LylesFigureFiles jada is new to the action figure market so it makes sense they wouldn't be releasing at a super fast pace. Jada isn't gonna invest a load of money into a new venture. The action figure part will have a smaller team and less funding, Also they are doing street fighter figures which isn't as popular as marvel/dc and is more limited in characters they could make.
I don't think it would impact the pace hasbro puts out figures if they made new bodies like vulcan have the same articulation as fei long. Most of their figures are just guys and girls in spandex so they could get so much usage out of a great blank buck.
I do laugh people think a 25 dollar toy should be at the same level as a 75 dollar import. We collect an item that in the toy section of the stores
Right! It's not exactly the same thing.
How about not being thrilled about buying a plain figure with virtually no accessories for the same price as nicer figures with tons of accessories, alternate hands, heads, effects, etc... ?
ML let me down over the course of many years and I've moved on to imports, which are better, so it's tough to go back to Hasbro even though the line has improved again.
I do think once you hit the import market it's tough to go back to the retail figures.
Iam Waiting for Them to Release a New comic Abomination with The gamer Edition body With comic head
I'd like to see that as well.
After I get my preorders in September I will be done with ML until they release a new Daredevil and movie Wolverine figure in the yellow costume. I have a few things I’ll pick up if they go on sale after that but the door is beginning to close. Gonna shift my focus to just military lines from now on.
Last year was a pretty Meh year for Legends. But everything being released lately is fire and I’m pretty much buying whole waves again.
You didn't like the Avengers releases, Spiral and that X-Men wave last year?
@@LylesFigureFiles The two packs were awesome but some of the avengers store exclusives like Black Widow or at the time Bucky Cap I couldn’t even get my hands on which adds to the meh experience. I was a completionist for the longest time and in 2022-2023 I just picked over waves as everything is MCU heavy and I don’t collect those.
Marvel legends - 2017 (lots of accessories, heads, hands) = $20
Marvel legends - 2023 (if lucky, we get 1 pair of hands... That's it) = $25 🤦🏼♂️
The accessories have dropped, but I think as of late they're doing a better job of releasing figures that don't have a lot of necessary accessories.
They need to work on consistency keep giving accessories not just certain figures but to all . There consistency just isn’t there for me!
I gotcha. I don't mind if the characters don't have obvious accessory options.
Well, when they do more comic villains that we want, than Hasbro will win me back
I can't ever get enough villains.
I just opened my Ramen racer. It’s pretty sick, but I do wish that the Robbie Reyes funded I would’ve bought one of those also.
How far off was it from being funded?
Be careful they’ll start calling you an apologist 😅
LOL. We'll just have to direct them to my Engine of Vengeance videos
QC seems like it’s been down lately - plastic quality & paint application
Interesting. Which figures have had bad paint apps to you?
Count Nefaria’s belt & butterfly joints seem to be jacked up on almost all of them transparent sloppy crooked paint jobs, Ka-Zar the flesh tone plastic looks totally jacked you can see all the seam lines sticking up all over the whole figure mainly the legs & butterfly joints, & most of the Wolfsbane’s I’ve seen have the hair piece glued on off center. That’s not even mentioning the digital eye prints that you have to look out for on every single figure you buy because it’s a complete toss up - problems that shouldn’t be as prevalent of problems as they are.
On a more positive note though Jeffrey, I was looking at my lady Deathstrike & it seems like Hasbro could reuse her torso with wolfsbane’s legs & arms - all they need to do is tool a new head sculpt for Feral.
When they make more ultimate universe figs!
Good question!
Honestly getting tired of the bunch of useless accessories hasbro gives us, like the new shield 3 pack has so many accessories that 80% of them are gonna go in the drawer and never seen again they need to give us better paint or bases for the useless extra hands and smoke effects I do understand the extra hands for spiderman but still have a bunch of his hands in my drawer
I pack all the accessories in little snack bags to help them from getting too scattered in the box. I hear you on that front!
1. They need to fix the plastic, the quality has felt and looked poor for the last several years. 2. They need to justify the price point, these are still $20 figures but they're asking $25+. More accessories or small diorama pieces would increase the value. 3. They need to stop all the Retro, anniversary, and any other sets without BAFs. Legitimate size BAFs add value and there are many recent sets that didn't have one, but a large deluxe figure was sold separately and should have been a BAF. 4. They need to focus on comic characters and not the MCU/other live action stuff. 5. Keep a consistent scale. The new body molds are generally too big. 6. Fix the preorder system and distribution of exclusive figures. 7. Standardize peg sizing so all heads are interchangeable, etc.
I really do miss the BAFs as well. They helped to make getting an entire wave so much fun.
I think it is the constant rumors of rising prices to $30 a figure by the end of the year. Not positive but I keep hearing it, also that is across the board, Legends, Black series, Joe. Just a rumor but there are some weird prices lately and strange mistakes as well.
If they go to 29.99 I’m out. 24.99 is already crazy. I’ve been buying figures if I found them on sale and I’ll pay the 24.99 for figures I actually want.
$30 at this point wouldn't be a smart move. Figures sat until clearance too often at $25.
They just continue to release expensive multiple packs with figures people would have gladly bought separately. It's a big ask to drop a entire paycheck on a new set and still release a entire wave at the same time.
$75 is an entire paycheck??
Are you talking about the Shield three-pack with the Zabu wave?
@@LylesFigureFiles Wolverine multi packs featured several characters fans have been asking for years to get and didn't need to be a multi pack. Retro Spider-Man waves proves people will buy it if you give them what they want.
I actually think the Haslab Was priced pretty decently if e everything would have been unlocked. RamenToys shows you that this style vehicle with flames NO FIGURE still is over 300 shipped
What happened with the RamenToys car? I thought the Robbie was a lock for it.
Generic sculpts, homogenised looks, quantity over quality, no paint, poorly thought out articulation, terrible anatomy, excessive reuse, cheap looking figures, constant redos of characters because every first attempt is flawed in numerous ways and the second attempts not much better... The line is built on love of comics, popularity of Marvel movies and nostalgia for the Toybiz line. Take those three elements out and this is a mediocre line that would have died long ago. Most other 6 inch lines offer better quality lines, Jada, GiJoe, Star Wars Black and Marvel Select offers so much more value.
There's Mafex too for folks who don't like the Marvel Legends offerings.
I think $60 for that Hulkbuster is a miss. If that had been released at $50, it would have been another pre-order sell out. Pre-order sellouts is another miss. I understand not wanting to over produce, but you should be able to adjust based on interest more consistently.
It seems most lines are guilty of those pre-order sell outs.
@@LylesFigureFiles that's fair. It's certainly not specific to Legends. EVERYONE gets to feel that pain.
Sir...bold of you to assume I left.
Footnote...I completely acknowledge that there were some bad prices/products out there for a while. I just didn't care enough to "leave."
Oh I know there were some dedicated fans enduring the rough patches. I'm more curious about the collectors who still don't feel like ML has made some major improvements over the last 12-16 months in terms of what's holding them back from embracing the line again.
When will the toy community ask for Mcfarlane toys to innovate and upgrade their figures. Single joints, pinned arms and legs, tons of reuse. But no one says anything. Wonder why.
I would love all the “fans” who jumped off the marvel legends train would stay off. The constant hate is exhausting. I’ve mentioned it before the only way to make marvel legends “fans” realize what they have is by taking it away. GIJOE fans, now Power Ranger fans know what it feels like to lose. Marvel legends “fans” need to be humbled, or move on to the next toy line or company to hate on and complain about, a line that’s 12-15 years old needs some respect put on their name.
It's been...interesting to read complaints online now when it feels more like reaching to find something to complain about. I wonder how many fans were around during Hasbro's ML hiatus period?
I'm just happy things are back on track now.
Marvel legends collectors are always crying like babies. They should just shut up and go to mcfarlane already
I completely forgot to shout you out for being a faithful ML fan who's been right there with me on the "Team ML" side ;-)
@@LylesFigureFiles hey I always say, collect what you love, love what you collect.
So many people complain about legends, right before they pull out their credit card. At least my money is where my mouth is
They were testing the waters with the 99.99...
The press release always said $75 before the Amazon price snafu. Dan tweeted the price would be fixed with the first 15 minutes of it being up so don't know how that was much of a test.