Okay so I’m a Magik one trick but it’s insane to me that Black Panther is getting nerfed this much all the while Bucky is getting all those net positive buffs.
I'd like to say "win rates don't lie, he's in top 4 duelists across the board, adjustments seem fair" but Magik is at the top win rate across all tiers and they buffed her...
@@wyatttrombley I mean, I guess? But a deadlier ult is a buff to a hero that already has the highest duelist win rate. It can be assumed it'll only go higher now.
Aint no way the one thing they had to do to panther was just fixing his no-regs lol. Why cant they just do that? id rather have him nerfed 10 times as long as they do it. Didnt know if I was going crazy when I started maining him but after learning it was a bug smt has to be done.
I’m not gonna lie these patch notes made me hop back on Overwatch for a bit to avoid burnout, because I know the next few weeks on rivals are about to be disgusting. All my mains got nerfed and Namor’s war crime of a team up got buffed
@@eauscriptos absolutely not top tier, it gets stunned by everything in the game, gets blocked by shields, and has an incredibly short range, and the character itself is at best mediocre, he has no survivability and his damage is quite lackluster, the only way to get value is to do animation cancel combos, and guess what, they are removing those animation cancels.
The nerf doesn't seem important but is crazy the fact they buffing namor and cloak, now you have to be a lot cleaner to delete and not gettin deleted when diving.
The nerf is very much being felt. You are so squishy its crazy. BP is borderline unplayabable in the C tier now for me. Why play BP when you can play Magick.
@@vittorio1727we don’t know whether they fixed it or not do we? They fixed one of Spidey’s animation cancels, which wasn’t even in the patch notes since it was a fix, so they might have done BP’s noreg too
@@FayezeSalihf yeah but sometimes it’s the only guarantee you have enough time to use your ult or even get a single dash off after using it before getting deleted.
@@GuitarSlayer136 2K hours for me. Tbh I loved pathfinder so much that I still played him through his worst seasons. That grapple was just the best. 😩👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
BP has to press spear-dash-spear-dash-kick to kill any squishy that got a minimum amount of heals. He's a hero that can get shutdown by any simple non-ult cc button. Buttons that in most lobbies are available to both supports, at least one tank, and even dps. Meanwhile, Hela can 2 tap people while sitting behind cover, with an ult that 2 shots and makes her immortal, and of course, she also gets a cc button.
It's not all about kills, with Bp you have super good survivability while harassing the backline, even if you don't kill anyone but gets multiple enemies to focus on you and you still gets out alive, that's very good value. Besides the fact that he can be extra tricky to play against since he gets extra value if the enemies stay grouped together, what makes it harder to help your backline. I'm not saying he's broken or needed a nerf, but the value he can get in match goes much further beyond getting easy kill
@@Pepe-pq3om Okay? I’m not claiming BP is a bad hero, obviously he isn’t. But it is very easy to play around him. You mentioned it’s hard to group against him? Then don’t group. Pick mantis, sleep him, and watch him die. This can’t be said for actual strong heroes. How do you play around a good Hela? A good Hawkeye? Sure, you can say “just flank!”, but that’s still just hoping they won’t hit their shots. Hela’s cc is hardly useless though, for one, it hard counters BP by stopping his reset. That’s IF she even chooses to fight him since she also has access to an untargettable escape. Isn’t it funny how she gets to counter her natural counter?
@@pacifist_yifunny as this happened a lot when jumping Mantis. I tell myself that i gotta get her before she realizes where i am so i didn't get slept
@@pacifist_yi such an obviously biased comment from a bp player though. If mantis is banned (hilarious that you point out the single cc that is consistent to hit on a character that dashes with a very very high speed.) what if you play in diamond and above and have a…mantis ban? It’s incredible that you think a 1.5s combo on bp should oneshot anyone at 250 hp. BP dashes so fast that he avoid Penni mines lmfao, and before this patch, even if he got cc’d if he had completed a combo, he’d have so much bonus hp that he will likely not die You know what happens…if you also don’t group vs BP? He just 1 taps any squishy 10x easier Not to mention, now mantis will be much slower I will forever target pick Penni and Namor to just make BPs switch off or quit the game
@ that’s not even a tank issue that’s just somthing that happened for the fact you can’t fking shoot him nothings gonna change cuz that’s just how his kit works
@GrizzGrizzGrizz Black Panther has 0 "one shot" potential. He needs a passive that scales with his total health, rather than just at low health, cause buddy is squishy AF.
@@GFlight.916 yes he doesn’t Hawkeye someone, but what it does do is; getting shot but not killed as bp can give you the damage to finish off someone that is getting healed
A change I'd like to see is giving his spears the system spiderman has with his web shooters where he can see how many he has and their cooldown progress right under his cross-hairs. That'd be cool
They don't list bug fixes in patch notes ( one example being Spidey losing an animation cancel that they considered a bug ) so hopefully BP feels cleaner on the new patch, just have to wait to test.
@@karkatsg i feel like the no regs have got worse after season 1 release idk if it's just placebo and i'm noticing it more or if it actually is worse but it still feels really bad regardless
It’s honestly just the max hp nerf, 10 less per dash is fair, but his max bonus hp is what I feel hurts his survivability when cycling through his kit. But mainly it’s the fact that they had the audacity to nerf him but not fix his bug, the same bug that’s literally integral to his entire kit, and without that consistently it makes him much more inconsistent
As someone who picked the game up a couple days ago and solo queued venom only to Plat with a 65% win rate and then started picking up Black Panther cause of your videos... I gotta say, the two of them have quite a similar playstyle. Its alot of the same cycle of setup, scout, engage backline with good timing, do your work, get out, be patient for your cooldowns, go again. The difference is the mechanics of how and where you can do the setup part and the "do your work part". "Do your work" as Venom isn't necessarily about securing those very quick picks but instead about applying pressure to draw multiple eyes to you. It's like if you engaged as Black Panther and could keep dashing infinitely with a huge hp pool. You aren't gonna get a quick kill but its so annoying and applies enough damage that you can't be ignored so people have to eventually turn to deal wtih you. During that time, hopefully you either do eventually get a pick, or your team is able to capitalize on numberes advantage. Anyway this comment is less for you Karkat and more for others interested in Venom as I can tell from your videos you understand these concepts already. Currently a one trick Masters Wrecking Ball player in Overwatch so this gameplay loop really clicked easily for my brain in Marvel Rivals.
@@poochymama2878 they just don’t like dive characters idk what it is meanwhile Magik has the highest pick rate and win rate in ever rank and she got fucking buffed……..
2:25 exactly ive seen so many people say this is a significant nerf for panther but as a main of him myself I never relied on nor found any use for the additional health so I'll still be fragging in comp as usual
Also isn’t the point of the shields so you can engage with panthers low hp passive and be able to survive more with each dash it’s like they forgot he what actually makes panther weak or strong
A "slight" decrease to his survivability would've been 120 to 100. Not 120 to 75. That's a pretty steep drop imo It probably doesn't break the character, but he didn't need a nerf in the first place
Hitscan dealing more damage than projectile will literally NEVER make sense to me Your telling me the faster attacks that take less skill to land deal MORE damage? China must grow the GOOD stuff.
Not really. All it did was to make new and relatively inexperienced players harder to use him. If you use black panther well nothing much will change. Before he can survive a stun with 400 health with less health it makes him more challenging but equally strong if you are good with him.
@@CrazySuperJEBUS hawkeye canot oneshot 350hp and range has been reduced by 20m，hela need two headshot to kill 250hp now，they got more nerf than panther.panther only reduce 45 bonus hp .
People who say the NoReg doesn’t matter, try dashing on a marked target then turning right to you target face to face spamming the dash, when it doesn’t work.
I guess 30 from 40 is understandable. But why only 75 shields max? Old dashes x3=120, good, fair. 3 dashes now=75. What? Why on top of nerf you stealing extra 15???
Why tf are they not nerfing Luna instead of Panther who's literally the most stable character in the game, all he needed was a reg fix and he was done, but Noooo let's fu k the game even more than it already is also not optimising the game at all....
Damn, I cant wait to climb this season with panther, I think peaking Diamond 2 playing with 200 ping was pretty good for me, but damn I cant settle, thnx Karkat for another vid it keeps me motivated to grind
idk she never seemed disappointing to play against and very counterable. If she ults on front of you she usually dies. She doesnt have quick abilities that refresh like BP that give her escapes. She's a brawler and sometimes assassin (she needs to be aggressive and land that full combo to kill supports in high elo less room room for error) She's just a brawler but there's nothing on her kit that makes her hard to play against
They really should have put more concentration on fixing the dash sometimes not being reseted. Like, i've dashed to two enemies clump together with Vibranium Rend and still Spirit Rend didn't reset.
Honestly as someone who mains bp, I’m not really worried about these nerfs. It does suck, but the overhealth in his kit is pretty insignificant in my eyes. It can mean life or death in some situations but I feel like there’s a lot of places where you’d die even with the extra health.
Hela teamup nerf is a bigger deal than it looks like 1 headshot 1 body shot no longer kills Additionally it makes her falloff damage a lot more punishing since it can make her primary 5 body shot to kill at decent distances Hela nerf a lot bigger deal than it looks and it’s only interesting to put the numbers in and see how much a small number change can affect.
I wonder if the extra health might indirectly result in more frequent kills, because he'll be more likely to be low health, the damage boost might kick in more frequent.
I think I'd appreciate a video investigation on the dash "no reg" issue with some good examples. Personally I haven't been able to find a good example that wasn't easily explained with one of the following: 1. The dash missed the target but hit something else. 2. Spear hit and dash didn't, but the spear's hit marker was misleading. 3. The target used a dash or invuln against the dash, and the player sees one of the previous items happen. (I saw this happen live on one of your stream vods against a star-lord and everyone was confused, but it was just his invuln dash.) I also think it's possible that client-side prediction is triggering the sound in anticipation of a hit, but it ends up not being valid on the server. In this case, not sure what a fix would look like as it just comes down to latency between player clients and the server. btw I'm a BP main so thanks for that lmao
I have several clips of true no regs, one of which will show up in tomorrow's video. Hop in the discord as well if you're interested in seeing more just raw no reg clips!
@@karkatsg I’ve had one where I literally hit the enemy marked the mark disappeared in my face then k go to dash again and it reset I’m talking spear dash no reset literally right after the other
tbh it is a minor nerf but like his survivability was already kind of meh cuz if u miss that one dash and u don't have any other dash ur as good as dead
Interestingly Black Panther is the most banned dps over hawkeye and hela even in asia, So since it's an asian company I'm guessing they're probably basing their bans off their meta? and he is considered the beyond broken character. I actually personally think he is too, it's just that there's way less people that can play panther on that level than can aim as hawkeye/hela in a shooter. I think they nerfed the right problem with him. He's way too fast to react too already and does insane burst damage and you can't really just freeze or sleep him out of it consistently like spider-man/magik etc because he's so hard to track, but ALSO on top of that he's absurdly tanky as a 300 HP character who gets a million shield and self heals too. So even if you do track him as a support perfectly you gotta shoot him a good 20 times. Otherwise this patch is... really sus I'm not gonna lie it's scaring me for the future. barely any change to hawkeye/hela/luna the 3 main oppressive problems with the game. BUFFING wolverine the current meta that just won the tournament finals. Buffing Namor AND his team up... BUFFING bucky/punisher who I don't think were broken but were at least like A+ tier already if they weren't S... Buffing C&D to have ANOTHER ult on the broken level of Luna when that's the number 1 complaint with this game is insane. Nerfing spider-man and removing most of his tech? 😭 Like damn the main problem characters didn't get fixed at all, some got buffed even, half the almost problem characters just became problem characters. AND random nerfs to low tiers people want to see a lot more of?? Cap, Storm, Widow buffs are the only saving grace here, and honestly if widow+hawkeye becomes meta that could be bad too lol
I think the hela nerf is a lot bigger than people think it is, she can no longer 2 tap with 1 headshot, 1 body shot anymore so her main 1 shot combo is gone they’ve also nerfed her hp directly so it’s very possible to outduel her now. Hawkeye kinda has to have his 1 shot cause he’ll be beyond trash otherwise, I think they nerfed the right things with him.
I think mantis ult is fine because it so short It’s basically a weaker version of Lunas ult, but it still allows mantis to attack and dmg boost But Lunas ult needs a nerf tbh Her ult effectively makes everyone immortal to everything except one shot kills. Making it have a shorter time isn’t the solution IMO. But instead giving it less healing so you can still do something during it. Mantis and cloak already do the immortal healing thing but they both have downsides or risks that luna doesn’t have. Lunas is basically just an objectively better version of their ults and I think it should be more balanced. This is coming from a support/tank main btw.
I thought the nerf was fair as a bp main, but what makes it so awful is the buffs on other characters. With no iron man banner team up nerf and the storm mega buffs. If human torch comes out strong its gonna be almost a flying meta which would make half the roster obsolete.
well now that season 1 is out, i think they did fix the noreg bug because atleast I haven't encoured it yet (i played 4 comp games) but do lemme know if im wrong!!
hi in new to hero shooters, can you recommend videos that cover more terms like how you did for main, how you explained dive, other terms like in depth this and how to play 6v6 at a high elo
Os personagens mais fortes do jogo tomaram um nerf menor do que um dos personagem que mais necessita de habilidade para se tornar bom, mesmo ele sendo fácil de dar counter com alguns personagens específicos
They not even gonna address the No Registering Spears, but instead lets make sure he cant survive just finishing off Ops?! Are they only looking at it for The high levels?!
@@pioneershark2230 He's low risk if the enemy team is distracted. U got people paying attention and BP is just not effective anymore. Same goes for Iron fist. Even if Namor is picked or not.
they didnt fix noregs, nerfed him, and then added in a healer that has a million ways to cc him or just run away, and a dps that is basically impossible to kill as him, as well as buffing all his counters.
That’s all? Yikes. Why they refuse to tone down healing is beyond me. Supports are literally more oppressive than OW2. That’s fine I’ll abuse Mantis sleep and Luna with her freeze among others.
That’s what I’m saying, besides Storm, Cap and maybe Namor his turrets were a lil weird before but he was honestly fine. Everything else was just weird asf…
I’m in low plat and I’ve been eating with him if the enemy team doesn’t counter pick. He might have needed a little nerf but not that hard. Regardless we will be fine, I’m happy less people are going to pick him up now.
Ya I’m not a fan of their direction. Nerfing fun dive things like panther and they don’t nerf healing at all and actually buff it? Such boring gameplay.
They nerfed him because healing in this game is already too weak. Cannot have a dive character that does not even remotely oneshot with combo be in the backline and make the game difficult for healbots. 🤡
mega cringe. he already required good positioning and execution to not be useless. nerfing bp when hela and allat exist is ludicrous and i dont even main bp
For the future. Please use a zoom transition when changing instead of instantly changing zoom. Or just keep everything zoomed in. Reading along is very annoying.
Hunting with Black Panther is already fun. This will just make it more satisfying. We bp fight the odds and accept this challenge. It wont affect those of us who are decent and it will deter new people making us more unique.
In the grand scheme of the game.. after watching all my panther gameplays back (lord panther grandmaster) It’s not going to affect good players THAT much. The ceiling dropping from 420 to 375 sucks.. BUT in reviewing tape.. I find that majority of the time, unless something went wrong.. my regular health pool is largely unaffected to the 375 value regardless. Simplest terms.. DONT MISS YOUR LUNGE. There’s bigger penalty for missing now and slightly less reward for hitting.. however constantly cycling through your lunges will keep you AT WORST 90% of your health as before you may have not dipped into your regular pool at all. Small in the grand scheme
ow2 dev incompetent in rivals. it is expected as causal yee game.. they dont nerf support which is the biggtest problem they dont nerf strange, dont nerf problematic tank nerfing a skills and high risk, high value panther. panther nets 0 value if you dont know what you are doing , miss combo, miss reg, and so on
Panther is wheel chair hero in Asian servers black panther is always banned too. He’s too strong and the shields make him too tanky to take out even if you stunned him. The nerf does nothing to good players it just made black panther require more experience and skill to play. Decreased the skill floor in a sense.
They need to FIX HIS NOREGS. It's so annoying hearing the sound queue that you hit something, but not actually hitting anything
Agreed
Agreee
Couldn't agree more.
yup
Yesss
atleast they couldve fixed the glitch where the resets doesn't register
they prolly did and didnt address it, like a hidden fix
hopefully
ok I thought I was the only one
@@colbstah2559 I thought I was going crazy I thought y'all this black panther hero is crap in this game how come I never get the resets
Nah it fine you prob didn’t hit the marked target with dash just
Okay so I’m a Magik one trick but it’s insane to me that Black Panther is getting nerfed this much all the while Bucky is getting all those net positive buffs.
@@Polevolter I was also surprised to see him get so many buffs lol
I'd like to say "win rates don't lie, he's in top 4 duelists across the board, adjustments seem fair" but Magik is at the top win rate across all tiers and they buffed her...
damn I didn't know that...
magic not having a 2 shot in ult was a crime and you cant tell me you actually think magic ult is op or even strong
@@wyatttrombley I mean, I guess? But a deadlier ult is a buff to a hero that already has the highest duelist win rate. It can be assumed it'll only go higher now.
@@Chrylx do you play in gm i dont feel like arguing with someone who doesnt understand the game tbh
@@wyatttrombley 2 shot in ult sounds insane.
I cannot believe Luna's ultimate still lasts 12 seconds. Criminal.
Aint no way the one thing they had to do to panther was just fixing his no-regs lol. Why cant they just do that? id rather have him nerfed 10 times as long as they do it. Didnt know if I was going crazy when I started maining him but after learning it was a bug smt has to be done.
Seeing my main bp start getting the genji treatment give me the ick 😔😔
I’m not gonna lie these patch notes made me hop back on Overwatch for a bit to avoid burnout, because I know the next few weeks on rivals are about to be disgusting. All my mains got nerfed and Namor’s war crime of a team up got buffed
It's Spidey that's getting the Genji treatment.
@@SlCKNESS_wdym, he’s still way solid and has a top tier ult
@@eauscriptos He's dogshit dude. You have to do soooo much to get minimum value
@@eauscriptos absolutely not top tier, it gets stunned by everything in the game, gets blocked by shields, and has an incredibly short range, and the character itself is at best mediocre, he has no survivability and his damage is quite lackluster, the only way to get value is to do animation cancel combos, and guess what, they are removing those animation cancels.
The nerf doesn't seem important but is crazy the fact they buffing namor and cloak, now you have to be a lot cleaner to delete and not gettin deleted when diving.
The nerf is very much being felt. You are so squishy its crazy. BP is borderline unplayabable in the C tier now for me. Why play BP when you can play Magick.
Doesn’t seem like a big deal. If you fuck up your engage the extra HP isn’t going to save you most of the time.
Yeah, completely agree
It's more the frustration of the character getting nerfed while his reset is still bugged
@@vittorio1727we don’t know whether they fixed it or not do we? They fixed one of Spidey’s animation cancels, which wasn’t even in the patch notes since it was a fix, so they might have done BP’s noreg too
i play conquest with him and trust me, there it matters so damn much...
@@FayezeSalihf yeah but sometimes it’s the only guarantee you have enough time to use your ult or even get a single dash off after using it before getting deleted.
As a former pathfinder main in apex . it only goes downhill from here
I feel that 😭
@@CrazySuperJEBUS I had 1000+ hours on pathfinder ONLY. Played from Day 1.
Never touched the game again.
Brooo lmaooo please dont
I was at 1200 on only pathy when i quit (i also played from day one).@@GuitarSlayer136
@@GuitarSlayer136 2K hours for me. Tbh I loved pathfinder so much that I still played him through his worst seasons. That grapple was just the best. 😩👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
BP has to press spear-dash-spear-dash-kick to kill any squishy that got a minimum amount of heals. He's a hero that can get shutdown by any simple non-ult cc button. Buttons that in most lobbies are available to both supports, at least one tank, and even dps. Meanwhile, Hela can 2 tap people while sitting behind cover, with an ult that 2 shots and makes her immortal, and of course, she also gets a cc button.
It's not all about kills, with Bp you have super good survivability while harassing the backline, even if you don't kill anyone but gets multiple enemies to focus on you and you still gets out alive, that's very good value. Besides the fact that he can be extra tricky to play against since he gets extra value if the enemies stay grouped together, what makes it harder to help your backline. I'm not saying he's broken or needed a nerf, but the value he can get in match goes much further beyond getting easy kill
And Hela's cc is pretty much useless
@@Pepe-pq3om Okay? I’m not claiming BP is a bad hero, obviously he isn’t. But it is very easy to play around him. You mentioned it’s hard to group against him? Then don’t group. Pick mantis, sleep him, and watch him die.
This can’t be said for actual strong heroes. How do you play around a good Hela? A good Hawkeye? Sure, you can say “just flank!”, but that’s still just hoping they won’t hit their shots.
Hela’s cc is hardly useless though, for one, it hard counters BP by stopping his reset. That’s IF she even chooses to fight him since she also has access to an untargettable escape. Isn’t it funny how she gets to counter her natural counter?
@@pacifist_yifunny as this happened a lot when jumping Mantis. I tell myself that i gotta get her before she realizes where i am so i didn't get slept
@@pacifist_yi such an obviously biased comment from a bp player though. If mantis is banned (hilarious that you point out the single cc that is consistent to hit on a character that dashes with a very very high speed.) what if you play in diamond and above and have a…mantis ban? It’s incredible that you think a 1.5s combo on bp should oneshot anyone at 250 hp. BP dashes so fast that he avoid Penni mines lmfao, and before this patch, even if he got cc’d if he had completed a combo, he’d have so much bonus hp that he will likely not die
You know what happens…if you also don’t group vs BP? He just 1 taps any squishy 10x easier
Not to mention, now mantis will be much slower
I will forever target pick Penni and Namor to just make BPs switch off or quit the game
If you miss your dash you legit die how is that good survivability at all 😭
Or when the game decides you missed when you didn't
Because…when you don’t miss…you were tanky asf
@@kingd1486*when you dont miss you dont instantly explode.
@ how??? The shields didn’t even help it was either you played with your dash to get out or you missed and get gunned down
@ that’s not even a tank issue that’s just somthing that happened for the fact you can’t fking shoot him nothings gonna change cuz that’s just how his kit works
Black panther needs a vibranium armor reflect ability as a buff, it fits the Genji playstyle.
Black Panther's passive is utterly useless.
@GFlight.916 not really it helps get one shots at low health
@GrizzGrizzGrizz Black Panther has 0 "one shot" potential. He needs a passive that scales with his total health, rather than just at low health, cause buddy is squishy AF.
@@GFlight.916 yes he doesn’t Hawkeye someone, but what it does do is; getting shot but not killed as bp can give you the damage to finish off someone that is getting healed
@@GFlight.916 fyi, hela also has “0 one shot potential” now you know how dumb that sounds right?
#BuffBlackPanther
Agree. But not too much
#BuffBlackPanther
#NerfBlackPanther
@@kingd1486 no
Is your ign buffpanther
A change I'd like to see is giving his spears the system spiderman has with his web shooters where he can see how many he has and their cooldown progress right under his cross-hairs. That'd be cool
this would be awesome
They don't list bug fixes in patch notes ( one example being Spidey losing an animation cancel that they considered a bug ) so hopefully BP feels cleaner on the new patch, just have to wait to test.
Omg i pray i PRAY
@@hops3434 praying that we celebrate on friday
Those no regs have cost me so many games. One time, I got it 6 times in a row, and I HEARD THE HIT SOUND.
@NidoMittens yeah going over my vods, I get it way more often than I realized...
@@karkatsg i feel like the no regs have got worse after season 1 release idk if it's just placebo and i'm noticing it more or if it actually is worse but it still feels really bad regardless
It’s honestly just the max hp nerf, 10 less per dash is fair, but his max bonus hp is what I feel hurts his survivability when cycling through his kit. But mainly it’s the fact that they had the audacity to nerf him but not fix his bug, the same bug that’s literally integral to his entire kit, and without that consistently it makes him much more inconsistent
They saw one of the most balanced characters and decided to nerf him, what the heck man
Balanced??? No one in this game is balanced.
As someone who picked the game up a couple days ago and solo queued venom only to Plat with a 65% win rate and then started picking up Black Panther cause of your videos... I gotta say, the two of them have quite a similar playstyle. Its alot of the same cycle of setup, scout, engage backline with good timing, do your work, get out, be patient for your cooldowns, go again.
The difference is the mechanics of how and where you can do the setup part and the "do your work part".
"Do your work" as Venom isn't necessarily about securing those very quick picks but instead about applying pressure to draw multiple eyes to you. It's like if you engaged as Black Panther and could keep dashing infinitely with a huge hp pool. You aren't gonna get a quick kill but its so annoying and applies enough damage that you can't be ignored so people have to eventually turn to deal wtih you. During that time, hopefully you either do eventually get a pick, or your team is able to capitalize on numberes advantage.
Anyway this comment is less for you Karkat and more for others interested in Venom as I can tell from your videos you understand these concepts already.
Currently a one trick Masters Wrecking Ball player in Overwatch so this gameplay loop really clicked easily for my brain in Marvel Rivals.
this is super help for me too though! I want to learn venom so I will for sure keep this in mind
They heard us say, "Why play Spidey when BP is better," ac decided to nerf BP instead of buff Spidey... sadge.
I think you're right. I know BP is better but I like Spidey better personally although I don't play either.
*and
They nerfed spidey too they just didn’t say anything about it
And they also nerfed Spidey. Spidey actually got a bigger nerf than BP, it just wasn't in the notes
@@poochymama2878 they just don’t like dive characters idk what it is meanwhile Magik has the highest pick rate and win rate in ever rank and she got fucking buffed……..
2:25 exactly ive seen so many people say this is a significant nerf for panther but as a main of him myself I never relied on nor found any use for the additional health so I'll still be fragging in comp as usual
crazy how bp got nerfed yet luna ult still lasts 12 seconds, iron man/hulk teamup didn't get nerfed, hela only got a slight hp nerf....
A lot of these patch notes seem like they were translated with ChatGPT…
Honestly ChatGPT would’ve been better at translating. Too many typos
Also isn’t the point of the shields so you can engage with panthers low hp passive and be able to survive more with each dash it’s like they forgot he what actually makes panther weak or strong
I was intently waiting on this, as soon as I saw the nerf I came to you.
A "slight" decrease to his survivability would've been 120 to 100. Not 120 to 75. That's a pretty steep drop imo
It probably doesn't break the character, but he didn't need a nerf in the first place
Hitscan dealing more damage than projectile will literally NEVER make sense to me
Your telling me the faster attacks that take less skill to land deal MORE damage?
China must grow the GOOD stuff.
Completely agree. Hitscan should be weaker because it’s stronger by nature of being instant, but every game loves hitscan meta
Panther is actually getting the genji treatment
Top players use him super well meaning he gets nerfed but new players they can’t do anything
Not really. All it did was to make new and relatively inexperienced players harder to use him. If you use black panther well nothing much will change. Before he can survive a stun with 400 health with less health it makes him more challenging but equally strong if you are good with him.
“I’ve played this game before!”
w rocket buff but I feel like they should also reduce his damage dropoff in some way
Because Black Panther has the third highest banrate in the duelists
@@cxcx-y9r womp womp
@@cxcx-y9r and he got easily the worst nerf compared to the number one and two banned heroes.
@@CrazySuperJEBUS hawkeye canot oneshot 350hp and range has been reduced by 20m，hela need two headshot to kill 250hp now，they got more nerf than panther.panther only reduce 45 bonus hp .
@@cxcx-y9r that bonus hp was a massive nerf now in this season,and hela and hawkeye are still s tier
@Zissssel If he dont got nerf, his banrate will increase significantly this season, most support players thought Black Panther was too strong.
Can’t wait for your next vod review
Really like your content watched every marvel rival video looking forward to you dropping more vids
thank you so much! many more videos coming!
People who say the NoReg doesn’t matter, try dashing on a marked target then turning right to you target face to face spamming the dash, when it doesn’t work.
gonna be begging my team to ban namor every game onwards
Just ban Luna
I guess 30 from 40 is understandable. But why only 75 shields max? Old dashes x3=120, good, fair. 3 dashes now=75. What? Why on top of nerf you stealing extra 15???
seeing this and then looking at magik running around as she is is agregious
Why tf are they not nerfing Luna instead of Panther who's literally the most stable character in the game, all he needed was a reg fix and he was done, but Noooo let's fu k the game even more than it already is also not optimising the game at all....
Damn, I cant wait to climb this season with panther, I think peaking Diamond 2 playing with 200 ping was pretty good for me, but damn I cant settle, thnx Karkat for another vid it keeps me motivated to grind
i assume those who were already good and getting buffs is to make them play similar to their seasonal boosts, otherwise they make no sense
@@ClownManJones seasonal boosts are stayjng
The fact that they didn't nerf magik's shields is insane, they buffed her aswell lmaaao
idk she never seemed disappointing to play against and very counterable. If she ults on front of you she usually dies. She doesnt have quick abilities that refresh like BP that give her escapes.
She's a brawler and sometimes assassin (she needs to be aggressive and land that full combo to kill supports in high elo less room room for error)
She's just a brawler but there's nothing on her kit that makes her hard to play against
Magik sheild is negated by her slow atk speed that forces any good magik main to learn combos and animation cancels to keep up
Namor gonna be terrible to deal with in my opinion cause of the extra damage. also are you back from your vacation?
Yes!
@@karkatsg welcome back! Love to watch your content
Everytime i see a ranged get an hp buff and Magik stay at 250 I die inside a little
They really should have put more concentration on fixing the dash sometimes not being reseted. Like, i've dashed to two enemies clump together with Vibranium Rend and still Spirit Rend didn't reset.
Imo they are fearing a genji / doomfist scenario, where the able players could roll over everything.
Honestly as someone who mains bp, I’m not really worried about these nerfs. It does suck, but the overhealth in his kit is pretty insignificant in my eyes. It can mean life or death in some situations but I feel like there’s a lot of places where you’d die even with the extra health.
Same how I feel, in most cases the over health is negligible.
Not mentioned in the patch notes but they removed Spider-Man’s animation cancel of ground pound to uppercut which sucksssssss
Hela teamup nerf is a bigger deal than it looks like
1 headshot 1 body shot no longer kills
Additionally it makes her falloff damage a lot more punishing since it can make her primary 5 body shot to kill at decent distances
Hela nerf a lot bigger deal than it looks and it’s only interesting to put the numbers in and see how much a small number change can affect.
Bucky is gonna be insane
I wonder if the extra health might indirectly result in more frequent kills, because he'll be more likely to be low health, the damage boost might kick in more frequent.
interesting thought!
I think I'd appreciate a video investigation on the dash "no reg" issue with some good examples. Personally I haven't been able to find a good example that wasn't easily explained with one of the following:
1. The dash missed the target but hit something else.
2. Spear hit and dash didn't, but the spear's hit marker was misleading.
3. The target used a dash or invuln against the dash, and the player sees one of the previous items happen. (I saw this happen live on one of your stream vods against a star-lord and everyone was confused, but it was just his invuln dash.)
I also think it's possible that client-side prediction is triggering the sound in anticipation of a hit, but it ends up not being valid on the server. In this case, not sure what a fix would look like as it just comes down to latency between player clients and the server.
btw I'm a BP main so thanks for that lmao
I have several clips of true no regs, one of which will show up in tomorrow's video. Hop in the discord as well if you're interested in seeing more just raw no reg clips!
@@karkatsg I’ve had one where I literally hit the enemy marked the mark disappeared in my face then k go to dash again and it reset I’m talking spear dash no reset literally right after the other
loved the video as always
@@mamal83 Thank you!! more to come :D
tbh it is a minor nerf but like his survivability was already kind of meh cuz if u miss that one dash and u don't have any other dash ur as good as dead
Interestingly Black Panther is the most banned dps over hawkeye and hela even in asia, So since it's an asian company I'm guessing they're probably basing their bans off their meta? and he is considered the beyond broken character. I actually personally think he is too, it's just that there's way less people that can play panther on that level than can aim as hawkeye/hela in a shooter. I think they nerfed the right problem with him. He's way too fast to react too already and does insane burst damage and you can't really just freeze or sleep him out of it consistently like spider-man/magik etc because he's so hard to track, but ALSO on top of that he's absurdly tanky as a 300 HP character who gets a million shield and self heals too. So even if you do track him as a support perfectly you gotta shoot him a good 20 times.
Otherwise this patch is... really sus I'm not gonna lie it's scaring me for the future.
barely any change to hawkeye/hela/luna the 3 main oppressive problems with the game.
BUFFING wolverine the current meta that just won the tournament finals.
Buffing Namor AND his team up...
BUFFING bucky/punisher who I don't think were broken but were at least like A+ tier already if they weren't S...
Buffing C&D to have ANOTHER ult on the broken level of Luna when that's the number 1 complaint with this game is insane.
Nerfing spider-man and removing most of his tech? 😭
Like damn the main problem characters didn't get fixed at all, some got buffed even, half the almost problem characters just became problem characters. AND random nerfs to low tiers people want to see a lot more of??
Cap, Storm, Widow buffs are the only saving grace here, and honestly if widow+hawkeye becomes meta that could be bad too lol
@@caseyclark5174 you’re making me think I’m huffing copium about this patch, now I’m getting scared too :(
@@caseyclark5174 you’re making me think I’m huffing copium about this patch, now I’m getting scared too :(
I think the hela nerf is a lot bigger than people think it is, she can no longer 2 tap with 1 headshot, 1 body shot anymore so her main 1 shot combo is gone they’ve also nerfed her hp directly so it’s very possible to outduel her now. Hawkeye kinda has to have his 1 shot cause he’ll be beyond trash otherwise, I think they nerfed the right things with him.
bro istg hela could be so much more balanced if they just made it so if she dies in ult she dies after it too
this would be a great change
BP is still bugged everyone, it’s very frustrating
I think mantis ult is fine because it so short
It’s basically a weaker version of Lunas ult, but it still allows mantis to attack and dmg boost
But Lunas ult needs a nerf tbh
Her ult effectively makes everyone immortal to everything except one shot kills. Making it have a shorter time isn’t the solution IMO. But instead giving it less healing so you can still do something during it.
Mantis and cloak already do the immortal healing thing but they both have downsides or risks that luna doesn’t have. Lunas is basically just an objectively better version of their ults and I think it should be more balanced.
This is coming from a support/tank main btw.
I thought the nerf was fair as a bp main, but what makes it so awful is the buffs on other characters. With no iron man banner team up nerf and the storm mega buffs. If human torch comes out strong its gonna be almost a flying meta which would make half the roster obsolete.
Yo love your content man im just starting out and hope to reach the leaderboards like you.
@@MangooTreee thank you so much! You got this
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like as in…no one in GM has won with Cap?
thats wicked ☠️
Haha I should’ve clarified, MY cap has not gotten a win lol, I suck!
Bruh I thought they gonna buff him or AT LEAST FIX HIS BUG
I'm still doing a Black Panther only account in Season 1 hahaha
I wanna hear your thoughts on the nerf after the you play him with it. (Black panther)
well now that season 1 is out, i think they did fix the noreg bug because atleast I haven't encoured it yet (i played 4 comp games) but do lemme know if im wrong!!
Bruh I ain’t even mad about the BP nerfs anymore I’m switching to storm, she’s been pretty fun to play so far.
you've crossed over to the dark side
hi in new to hero shooters, can you recommend videos that cover more terms like how you did for main, how you explained dive, other terms like in depth this and how to play 6v6 at a high elo
i got a feeling blackpanther is gonna be the doomfist of marvel lmao
I just started picking up BP fr and then this shit happens lmao.
The day has come…if luna was already banned often, now will be permabanned also due the namor team-up. I feel bad for luna mains😂
Os personagens mais fortes do jogo tomaram um nerf menor do que um dos personagem que mais necessita de habilidade para se tornar bom, mesmo ele sendo fácil de dar counter com alguns personagens específicos
My Thor is going to squish Panthers & Hela's even more now 😈
karkat vid karkat vid
biggest L in Rivals history. Like atleast reduce his cooldown omg😭😭😭😭
They not even gonna address the No Registering Spears, but instead lets make sure he cant survive just finishing off Ops?! Are they only looking at it for The high levels?!
That’s definitely what’s happening These games always end up getting balanced around the highest levels
I just realized you sound really similair to jake the pro ow player
Yeah, one of the heroes where u risk so much diving their backline now has less health to play with. Great.
He feels low risk, like usually you'll have quite a low death count compared to your team, only real issue is namor
@@pioneershark2230 He's low risk if the enemy team is distracted. U got people paying attention and BP is just not effective anymore. Same goes for Iron fist. Even if Namor is picked or not.
they didnt fix noregs, nerfed him, and then added in a healer that has a million ways to cc him or just run away, and a dps that is basically impossible to kill as him, as well as buffing all his counters.
yeah this season is tough...
We are not blessed today 😓
star lord deserves range damage decrease by 10, how can I be close to hela and haweye. They will just one tap
I think its the 4rth in usa
That’s all? Yikes. Why they refuse to tone down healing is beyond me. Supports are literally more oppressive than OW2. That’s fine I’ll abuse Mantis sleep and Luna with her freeze among others.
Honestly most of these nerfs/buffs seem almost random to me.
That’s what I’m saying, besides Storm, Cap and maybe Namor his turrets were a lil weird before but he was honestly fine. Everything else was just weird asf…
IM SORRY BLACK PANTHER NERFS ARE STRONGER THAN HELAS?!!
They buff winter soldier and punisher, but not spidey??? Also hela “nerf” is a joke.
They nerfed him because my bp was too good
so true and very real
I’m in low plat and I’ve been eating with him if the enemy team doesn’t counter pick. He might have needed a little nerf but not that hard. Regardless we will be fine, I’m happy less people are going to pick him up now.
Ya I’m not a fan of their direction. Nerfing fun dive things like panther and they don’t nerf healing at all and actually buff it? Such boring gameplay.
They nerfed him because healing in this game is already too weak. Cannot have a dive character that does not even remotely oneshot with combo be in the backline and make the game difficult for healbots.
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mega cringe. he already required good positioning and execution to not be useless. nerfing bp when hela and allat exist is ludicrous and i dont even main bp
Complete garbage man. Unbelievable. That glitch BETTER be fixed at the very least
Good. He deserved it.
For the future. Please use a zoom transition when changing instead of instantly changing zoom. Or just keep everything zoomed in.
Reading along is very annoying.
Just punishes the bad panther players . Him being low is what gives the big damage potential anyway
@@xavq.6254 me and gang ALWAYS dive at 99 hp😤😤😤
Hunting with Black Panther is already fun. This will just make it more satisfying. We bp fight the odds and accept this challenge. It wont affect those of us who are decent and it will deter new people making us more unique.
Cope
"making us more unique" 💀
Hunt with what? You guys have ranged characters and kills us when we miss our dashes lol. It is easier to miss a dash than spam kill you get a kill
@@tjxshippuden467 I accept the nerf and see the positive. It won't stop me. Just make people less likely to play bp which is fine by me.
@@jaming8677 BPs aren't common. I get excited when I see one on the enemy team!
0:37 well guess what 5starkiza, I don’t like you either
In the grand scheme of the game.. after watching all my panther gameplays back (lord panther grandmaster)
It’s not going to affect good players THAT much. The ceiling dropping from 420 to 375 sucks.. BUT in reviewing tape.. I find that majority of the time, unless something went wrong.. my regular health pool is largely unaffected to the 375 value regardless. Simplest terms.. DONT MISS YOUR LUNGE. There’s bigger penalty for missing now and slightly less reward for hitting.. however constantly cycling through your lunges will keep you AT WORST 90% of your health as before you may have not dipped into your regular pool at all. Small in the grand scheme
No Psylock or Starlord nerfs is so weird
ow2 dev incompetent in rivals. it is expected as causal yee game..
they dont nerf support which is the biggtest problem
they dont nerf strange, dont nerf problematic tank
nerfing a skills and high risk, high value panther. panther nets 0 value if you dont know what you are doing , miss combo, miss reg, and so on
The cope is unreal 😢
such an L nerf
Panther is wheel chair hero in Asian servers black panther is always banned too. He’s too strong and the shields make him too tanky to take out even if you stunned him. The nerf does nothing to good players it just made black panther require more experience and skill to play. Decreased the skill floor in a sense.
@@ahhhsothisishowyouchangean162 agreed