The Blacklisted Apple Vision Pro Review
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After years of rumors and leaks, I finally got my hands on Apple Vision Pro. At a starting price of $3,500, my expectations were the highest they've ever been for a new Apple product. Sadly, Vision Pro doesn't quite deliver on Apple's promise, but it did get many things right. Let's talk about the good, the bad, and the ugly for Vision Pro.
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Way before mkbhd we had techno buffalo .some of the first apple reviews i remember came from Jon .apple owes Jon a lot .
Yep I know, I don't need you to remind me of that
been subbed since jon4lakers
Appreciate you @@joshsowers
@@joshsowerssame here
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"this is not your typical vision pro review", proceeds to make literally the most typical vision pro review
Yea I thought that was funny. He literally provided zero new information. Such a shocking review that he was blacklisted lol.
Man desperately wants un-blacklisted
@Unnostalgia when I get blacklisted by a company i make sure to give them MORE money lol
"No fancy graphics.." ... Immediately followed by fancy graphics 😂😂
This was a wonderful story to watch. Jon's style is unique. It's so dramatic I love it. The message is sent across really well. iPad Pro comparison was spot on too.
Good for you man. Your integrity as a reviewer is worth way more than being on a company’s good side if it comes with strings attached.
Thank you!
Thanks for making this. you hit on several things that I had not heard anyone else talk about or mention.
I just got a Quest 3 to use for hockey practice not expecting much out of it beyond that…and it’s pretty phenomenal. My biggest takeaway from this video was to try theater mode and dang! It’s so fun to watch videos on a giant “screen”. I can’t really see how the AVP provides a 7x better experience?
Quest is great!
Another fabulous video Jon, as someone in the UK we haven’t got Vision Pro yet (although I’m hearing UK and Canada before WWDC) but I can’t wait to try it. I can’t afford it, but I can’t wait for the experience.
Thank you!
Nice video Jon, do you feel that this is really the next big thing from Apple? This device in the footsteps of the Mac, the iPod, the iPhone, the iPad and the Apple Watch?
Too early to buy. But boy is this an engineer's wet dream.
The rendering. the 3D stuff. the AR stuff. the fact that they work as well as they do.
a couple years back AR couldn't even measure the size of a room. and now it's this capable? 12ms of foton to foton delay. my mind is absolutely blown.
Turns out engineers hate them.
Maybe when they’re the size of glasses .
@@dangerous8333 I didn't mean that engineers would use them. I was just saying that this is an engineering marvel and it'll massage the brains of the engineers who look at this product and see its capabilities.
Appriciate your hardwork, amazing content and non-bias. Thank you
jon4lakers was one of the OG reviewers of Apple tech. I remember the console wars series which I loved a lot.
Great as always Jon. Weird technical question - how did you get the ability to record video playing in the Vision Pro. It always blacks out for me! Such a big fan of you friend!
In control center like the iphone
This was a perfect review! For someone who watched you since years. I enjoyed the honesty. I don’t have $3,500 I will wait until is the same price as an Ipad.
This version is for cost no object folks. I agree with you, just wait. If anything, the Quest 2/3 is the mainstream consumer VR device.
I need to get back to watching these vids
Oh wow welcome back my guy
This is your typical apple review lol
you are one of the 1st tech channels I subscribed to on RUclips, that is because you have integrity. i know im going to get a honest review. keep up the great work brotha!
Appreciate you!
Great review!
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Well done for making this and being so candid. I appreciate your work. I do not think I will ever buy this .
I watched Jon4Lakers when he was unboxing a MacBook Pro, and First gen iPhone. Wow has the time passed, but hey, one of the reasons I got my iPhone first generation, and Flip Mino and other tech!
Expensive but I do like my VP , I understand is not perfect but after almost one month with it. I had enjoyed every minute i expended with it. Like to watch movies and on this device it’s making me watch almost every single movie I watched before. No time but i find myself always finding time to enjoyed this device .
So am I. I really enjoy myself with this thing
Same. I love mine. I’ve never owned a tech device with so much potential.
Well done. I've watched a number of Vision Pro reviews and this is the most honest, IMHO.
Appreciate you
One of the most honest reviews out there. I returned mine for some of the issues mentioned. Could not justify price when I’m able to do the same things on my iPad.
Could you watch 3d movies on iPad?
@@vhines10I watched avatar in 3d on Vision Pro and watched it on iPad and tv (it’s a long movie), and I didn’t feel like I was missing anything by not seeing it in 3d. You consume 99% of media in non 3d I think you can survive not seeing 3d
@@youngdre10that is very hard to believe LOL
I just don’t get it. Why buy it in the first place? U know u couldn’t afford it to start.
@@manyce400 To try it out in your own home for more than half an hour,good enough reason
Jaaaaahhhn Rettinger here for TechnoBuffalo. Been here since then. Keep going Jon.
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Also i really really want a demo of Vision Pro, but was able to get spatial videos from my 15 pro max on my Quest 2 with the recent Quest 2 firmware update, and did enjoy the stereoscopic effect, so i am into the tech. but vision pro badly needs to lose weight and gain at least some internal battery, as well as the software improvements (more windows/better productivity, better avatars, better eyesight)
What a magnificent review. Jon and his team are amazing. Loved this, Jon. Exquisite as always and super accurate
Thank you!
Actually have an alternative theory why spacing and icons are changing in macOS, and iOS. They’re intending it to be compatible with the Vision Pro sometime in the future.
what's a non sequitur?
I thought sitting at center court watching an NBA game would be great. I tried it on the Quest 3 with Xtadium and a NBA league pass trial. Not nearly as good as expected. You have to keeping looking left and right as the players move up and down the court and you don’t get the close-up views like a typical broadcast game. Also you don’t feel like you’re in the crowd: you feel alone. Not to mention the resolution wasn’t very good with Quest; well below hi def. Apple might do better?
I saw it described in another comment as a “rich person’s toy” and I think you using “toy” here fits perfectly. In its current iteration, of course.
I returned mine but I miss it.
Would you buy it again in the future?
Lol. It barely have any proper apps for it yet.
Is like buying a Mac without doing anything but mess around with the UI and returning it.
Softwares availability is what makes it great
I bought the 1TB version, and absolutely love it. NOT perfect, but still an incredible experience every time I use it… Plus figured out how to wear it comfortably for long periods of time using the Solo Knit Band…
Definitely more iPadOS than MacOS, and plenty of apps to keep ONE occupied even if not entirely VisionOS…
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why?
Same. I’m thinking about buying one again 😂
Great review Jon, and really appreciate your honesty and integrity.
Thank you!
I did the demo in store and it was pretty cool. Especially the 3d stuff. But I found the headset uncomfortable
I've been a long-term fan and watcher Jon. We get what Apple is doing to you is incredibly sad given your long experience reviewing their products and being honest, but I don't need to be reminded in the review. Seems like the message at the beginning throws an undertone to the material. Would be cool if you feel like you have to bring this up, bring it up at the end - would be more effective with the audience imo.
I like a lot your review, sincerely, the tone, the honest opinion… etc
How in the same time you say that it is a fantastic consumption device and at the end it has no yet a clear purpose ?
An iPad, ok, but you can have so many iPad windows in the same environment that it can make a productivity improvement
For me spatial computing will never be not an option, even if as an old guy alone in the French south countryside, I will use it as a consumption device also :) But I am waiting as a dev that Apple will allow to code in it with Xcode without being connected to a Mac ! Wait for the WWDC news this year
Last point : how it is a blacklisted review ? Not a consensual one maybe ? And it is a good one !
I was waiting for this
I just love your authenticity!
Thank you!
Best review on this scanning device hands down . He is not the only reviewer that got a zit in the same spot
actually your eyesight looked a lot better than many other youtubers/reviewers where it looked very bad. still no where near the demo videos and I am not too keen on the uncanny valley-but-not-completely-terrible personas/avatars, but at least eyesight actually looked usable in your video
From what I’ve seen they’re only making like 1m of them this year and seeing how it goes. The amount of content around them is insane and honestly meta probably benefits more than anymore from people eager to have something “similar” but I don’t have hard data on that.
I was lucky enough to do the demo at the Apple Store and it is very impressive, and idk if it’s just me but it’s also really uncomfortable even for that 20 mins. . I know LTT shared a similar opinion.
I also remember the iPad being launched and called a toy, but they found a way to make it more useful so I’m sure they will. Especially once it can save people money on sports or they can have pokemon battles. It really will live or die by getting some killer apps.
You're a legend in the tech world Jon. And we all know it. So it doesn't matter if Apple blacklists u. Your contribution is undeniable. Plus u single handidly founded Techno Buffalo.
I am always amazed when people compare the AVP vs. the Quest 3 and leave out the major fact that the Quest 3 is just a display while the AVP is a complete stand-along computer + a display! IOW, it's a completely different product category! It's like comparing a laptop to a display.
Quest is a standalone device meaning it’s doing all its own processing. It’s not tethered to a cpu
@@jon4lakers I stand corrected, thanks!
@@ruscheinhow is the quest just a display?
@@hellovagim That's what I thought, but I was mistaken!
for myself I am still not sold on VR, if I would get one it would be the metaquest or something like that, because I would probably play games, like beat saber.
I’ve heard the size 21 light seal helps with the fov
It does NOT really, we have both 21 and 22. However, honestly it does not really matter, the experience and enjoyment of exploration is well worth the coin. A greater FoV will definitely enhance the experience for sure, along with an M3 chip and an additional 6-12GB of RAM…
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Great video!
Jon is an honest dude you can feel it. ❤🙌🤙
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Jon are you daily driving an Android phone 📱 what are you rocking these days.
Can't wait to get the 2nd generation in 17-18 months. Until then will use my Quest 3!
I’ve gone through multiple demos at the Apple Store, but in every single one of them, I could literally see the black edges/circles of the viewing “lenses” inside the AVP - very similar to looking through binoculars. I asked the store agent doing the demo about this, all of them say it’s just me and no one else had reported this viewing issue before. Somehow I felt they weren’t being entirely honest about that. Anyway, I tried various light seal combinations but in every one of them, I could see the black edges, just more in some and less in some others. Ultimately, I couldn’t justify spending $4k for this kind of viewing experience, even though the tech is very impressive. Does anyone else have this problem too?
Good to have a tech reviewer who's not in Apple's pocket. Thorough and fair review. Thanks.
i did the demo, i was impressed, but not for the price they are selling it at. right now i have no use case for this device.
Apple says the zit is a feature. 😂
Came here for the tea on video being blacklisted, walked away with nothing.
Did you watch Avatar on theater mode? For me the picture quality is not as crisp when I watch this movie on theater mode and not even close to the clarity of watching it in Dolby theater when the movie was in theaters. When I make the screen as big as a 100 inch TV, it looks crisp. Other movies look better in theater mode and the IMAX app experience is better than going to an actual theater. Why doesn't avatar the way of water look good on my AVP?
I feel like reviewers should focus on testing a product and sharing their experience using it, instead of dictating whether it's 'worth the price'. That's my decision to make. After all, is a Porsche worth paying for when you can get a Ford Mustang or a Tesla that might even be faster? Ultimately, customers decide whether the experience justifies the cost.
Techno Buffalo inspired Techno Panda 🐼
hey techno animal friend!
Enough crying about how you feel black listed. Move on already. You do great tech reviews. This one included.
Agree totally. The tech is amazing. It's great fun to *play* with.
Is there significant *practical* utility to this device? No.
Will I ever use this as my "daily drive" like my iPhone? No.
Do I want to strap on a bulky headset for hours at a time? No. (I've worn glasses all my life, and I don't like it.)
Is it worth $3,500? No.
*If* they make this thing as light and comfortable as a pair of glasses, *if* it has similar utility to my iPhone, *if* the price is kept to the $1,000 price point, then I might be interested.
That's a lot of ifs.
Half Dome!!?? 😬😬🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Still love your content Jon
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Personally, I think the real failing of the device as it stands is based in one very Apple thing, the ecosystem. They were so concerned with the ecosystem, that the compatibility layer is ipadOS apps. What they should have had it use is MacOS apps. If they had made it compatible with MacOS, the M2 could have enabled the device to just replace laptops and have the full spatial computing and editing suite they targeted the device to do.
They are definitely way too controlling, forciing iPadOS more and more on their intire lineup. Too bad. I've been a keen, creative Apple user since the 90's and for at least ten years I've been researching alternatives to thier ecosystem, just as a preperation to jump ship at the final straw.
A good review. Possibly one of Jon’s finest hours … or at least 15 minutes!😂
I love your videos Jon but the intro kinda put me off no offense sounds like if u weren’t black listed you would be singing a different tune - imagine this review without the intro I’ll totally love that - 😅
I see this more as a visual interaction, not an environment interaction. Plus, IMHO, it is way too big and heavy.
Excellent video Jon ….
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Take iJustine for example. I love Apple gear, but it’s not fun watching a reviewer gush over every single product because they’re so blinded by tech lust, they’re incapable of any critical thought whatsoever.
I don't get why it was not just made smaller and lighter and probably cheaper if its just going to connect to a mac anyway. The battery should of been on the back as a counter weight
I think Justin Tse and Oliur are also on that list. Strange!
"They're the first ones to make a version that is so far above the competition in terms of quality and experience." Experience? Are you sure about that? You literally said 5 seconds earlier the only thing you can really do on it is watch movies. The VP has some nice hardware, but no way it has more experiences even compared to the Quest 2. Meta headsets are simply a better buy at the moment. You can do more with them.
@6:06 yea I don't know about that, unless the price goes way down because with such a small user base I don't see why developers would spend all the money necessary to make an IOS VR version, where's the incentive?
I'm surprised by the lack of VR games.
The problem I have is knowing many people equate someone who despises Apple as a person being more HONEST about Apple. When has that ever been true about anything? Despising someone doesn’t make you more honest about them, no more than loving someone makes you a liar. One makes you more likely to look for every negative thing you can find while the other might focus only on the positive. They BOTH can create biases. People can be DISHONEST coming from either extreme. It’s just as easy for negative bias to slip into character assassinations and false witnessing as positive bias can lead to exaggerated accomplishments and cover-ups. Finally, humans are hardwired to BELIEVE something negative more because it’s a survival instinct. Keep this in mind when assessing any new information.
My problem is how dishonest reviews of Apple products are because Apple does blacklist reviews they don't find to be positive.
AVP is overhyped tech from 2016. It didn't take off then and the improvements and refinements don't appear to be enough now, especially considering the trade-offs.
There are very, very few negative reviews. There are a LOT of dishonest positive reviews.
Blacklist… Interesting…
Anybody could buy the product, as over two hundred thousand have (us included), a handful have reviewed it, and then returned it… You could do the same right NOW if you have enough room on a credit card, just remember it’s fourteen days to return it, or it’s yours…
So how is anyone blacklisted…
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@@ReddyefortyBlacklisted? What does that even mean? He’s “blacklisted” because they didn’t loan him a review unit? They didn’t loan one to Greg’s Gadgets, is he blacklisted too? If the AVP IS “old tech” the public will decide that. They will look around at what they have and can buy and determine if they’ve seen this all before. They will decide if the AVP offers the same user experience and interface.
I trust the black list review.
I went for an Apple Vision Pro demo today (1/28/24) and I was blown away. The immersion, the pass through, the look and tap to select, it all just worked! Watching the big RUclipsrs I thought it was going to be a pain to use but it was effortless. It truly was something you NEED to see for yourself in person to fully understand. That being said, it is ludicrously expensive and I in no way have the money to actually purchase one. It is literally more than my first car and probably half the value of my current one. It is amazing but not perfect. I took a selfie of me wearing Vision Pro and my phone screen was definitely wonky and I wouldn’t want to type out a text message through it. Also to me, it felt like the Home Screen was a bit too close to my eyes. I’m guessing this could be adjusted but the field of view felt a bit off to me personally. (No, I don’t wear corrective lenses) one last thing, special video on Vision Pro is amazing. If you have a device that can record special video I suggest you do so even if you can’t view it on your current devices because eventually you will probably have a way to properly view and appreciate spacial video. For now I agree with Jon, it’s a cool (expensive) toy.
the same way you saved for your current car.. save for avp...itll take you half the time to doit.
you wanted your 8k dollar car right? you did what you needed to...well apply that same mindset towards avp for 4kinc tax.
I think Jon is one of the best tech reviewers in the world! So much better than Apple’s hand picked favs like iJustine, MKBHD & Brian Tong…
Agree Jon… 100%.. quest is value for money .. regardless of what or how much we all love apple meta is the winner today
Awesome video!! The Vision Pro was my first experience with a VR headset and while the displays were great, there are too many compromises as you mentioned. The field of view, weight and friction with other Apple devices lead me to return it. I'm excited to see where this lands in a few years, but I agree that the current state isn't worth the premium price tag for most.
Needs higher FOV, less lens glare, get rid of the unnecessary screen on the front that’s useless to the user (will also reduce weight and price) and I’ll be back in.
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We need Vision air. Half the weight, size and price with double the battery life.
Quest has had basketball games, live with courtside seats, or even switching the camera to the backboard since quest one I think
That came out around COVID from what I have read. It also does Nascar, UFC, and some other sport. Another company had NFL but they folded.
I’d rather spend 3500 on a really bad ass tv!
or you can have the best TV in avp. and itll do more things.
you buy a badass regular tv thats all it does...with avp itll take up your whole wall in crystal clear clarity , and you can do other things too...
And never forget: a great TV... you can be 2-4 people watching together, or more.
Imagine that with Vision Pro: 3500 + 3500 + 3500 + 3500 dollar = 14 000 dollar! Four people watching the same content if there's no TV. You need to spend 14 000 dollar (plus sales tax) and then it's only 256 GB SSD in each.
I totally agree with this review that AVP is still only a toy. Expensive and impressive toy.
How can you get ROI with AVP? ROI means return of investment.
I noticed that it's really hard to please hard core tech youtubers or just a hardcore techie in general. I think people are just so fed up or accustomed to tech that nothing blows their mind anymore. and trust me I get it.
$4,000 headset with a 2 hour battery is insane
Yeah.. no thanks. Maybe sodium batteries will save this. These new battery products aren't quite there yet usability wise
Looking at it , it’s incredible, nothing like it. This alone is worth the $3500 price tag
Facial computing still has a way to go.
Controlling an intel based Mac was extremely janky for me. Basically unusable. One underrated feature I thought was cool that nobody seems to talk about anywhere are spatial pictures. Spatial pictures can only be taken with the headset but pictures taken that way are so cool to look at! I wouldn’t be surprised if Apple makes this a new feature on iPhone 15 pro and beyond.
It’s more of a toy than a tool…yeah, that’s the point. Like you said, it’s a media consumption device and people are consuming media at an all time high. It very much has a purpose. When you look at all of the non tech reviewer reviews from just normal people you see exactly what its purpose is.
This is reallly awwwwsome video
Not surprising the screens are so good. By all accounts the SONY made micro led displays are the best currently on the market. But the soap on a roap battery just looks ridiculous imho. And for me the number one issue is that it seems like a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. I cant ever see myself strapping a headset onto my face to just do what I can do on a screen in front of me. And the non social aspect of it is also off putting. I mostly watch tv, and movies with family and friends. And of course that absolutely ridiculous price. There is just no way that is worth it.
You can't really review a product that barely have enough apps released for it. AR/VR is the best technology of the 21st century but it lacks softwares is the only downside, same thing with other products like the Meta Quest. Most of the apps doesn't really take advantage of it
Bling and more bling for their selected buyers … just look at the models. Bingo.
Once developers start taking advantage of the shared environments feature, the loneliness will improve. Of course at the cost of multiple headsets though
I have a google glass. That’s enough. 😊
You were the first youtuber I was watching back in late 2000s. Decades later, same Jon, same top quality work! Cheers!
For the record your brain immerses and adjusts any screen your looking at. The rest is perspective. You don’t need goggles for that.
If Apple really wanted this to garner interest from the masses the price wouldn't be as ridiculous as it is. I don't care how great this device is you can't convince the masses that it is something they need in their life when it costs as much as a used older vehicle. Something that will actually provide value to millions of Americans trying to make ends meet.
As someone who used to watch all of TB vids, why did it take the algorithim so long to recommend this channel?
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The reviewer being blacklisted prior to the review does not make the review blacklisted... That is a not a transferrable trait 😄
I'm sorry but I'd rather invest my 3500+ dollars into my retirement accounts. Great Video!
You dont have to be sorry. I dont care if you buy it or not.