Hi guys I know a few of you are saying this video is just a recap. I tried to analyse a game which is largely based around observation and relationships through Chishiya's point of view. Providing statistics wasn't as easy as the clubs game for example, as many of the details are subtle. I'll try to add some more strategy in the next one 👍
Bro i just told some “express” guy the same thing all these video are just recap not even how ti beat the game or atleast their opinion right or wrong on how to beat the game. Smh trash videos
@@Charlie-xu4fw you can give your opinion on how you would beat the game thou. The show explains the rules and general way ti win.. but as seen in the king of clubs game and as any good gamer knows everygame has loop holes n exploits as long as you stay in the Quoted rules
Chishiya sticking with Ippei was the exact right decision for him to get far. He shouldn't play devoidant and suspicious of everyone, because then people go after him, but he doesn't play with them, because he knows that multiple people in a group aren't trustworthy. You need someone innocent and with no reason to lie to be your partner in suits. Once he is alone he is forced to make a move on Matsushita, since everyone was casting suspicion on Banda being the Jack due to his suspicious behavior in the start, and saying that he was the only one who could end the game. Again, Matsushita had no reason to not lie to Chishiya, so he assumed that he did. Kotoko also would've objected to Clubs if it really was, because she also had no reason to not lie to Chishiya. After leaving their shit to luck, Chishiya catches Matsushita because he was observant enough, but that part, the audience couldn't guess, as we couldn't see these scenes of Kotoko and Matsushita communicating with each other. You need someone trustworthy to win the game and if that goes south, you just need tobe observant to try to guess the Jack or try to eliminate your wrong suits until you can guess who the Jack is.
Umm but I'm really not bragging or showing off k but at the middle of ep 3 I already found out who the jack was because of his doings and I always thought to myself "what will I do if I was chisaya" and "what will I do if I was the jack" then after thinking of possibilities that can't be think(sounds confusing ik but yes💀💀) then I had 2 suspects the jack which I forgot his name and tat lady which wears office clothes and at the end who ever survived between the lady and the jack is the one who's the jack and I didn't suspected that guy who told the other guy to lie to tat man about his suit because the jack would not do something risky like that which would make him a suspect sou yes the jack would be very careful and not try to kill or lie anyone because he wants to win but he'll make a move when the time is right that's how ik who was the jack💀(this is the Jack's partner)(this is my analyses in the middle of ep 3 okay)and after watching ep 4 ik that the jack was working with that girl in disguise sou yes my guess was correct 💀😭
I felt that what really made the Jack of Hearts so difficult was that up to that point, everyone thought that it wasn't a good idea to bring friends along with you into a hearts game as you would likely end up manipulating and betraying one another. Instead, it actually turned out that having someone close to you that you can trust would end up being extremely beneficial and guarantee your safety as you'd be able to tell each other's suits without worrying about your partner being the Jack. Your essentially forced to endure build new relationships on the spot with strangers to survive.
To beat this game, you need someone you know beforehand and is trustworthy. A best friend, a partner, a sibling, etc. This is a Hearts game , unlike other Heart games, that secures the safety of friends, lovers, relatives, etc.
I feel like with a known partner this game becomes kinda useless. So, they must be able to change the game or disallow known partners, otherwise this is actually a big plothole.
@@cryfier Yeah, the game becomes very easy to clear when you have a partner you know so well. The only thing that would doom that arrangement would be a feud between you and your partner. And the Jack of Heart might manipulate you to betray each other if he deems you and your partner as threat.
@@johnelmartagbago3764 it won't be easy unless jack of heart didn't spoil himself by killing someone else by telling false. As it was mentioned anyone among them can be jack so if this game keep on continue there will be time when someone get fear and tell lie to his partner which make him suspect people lies to him thinking he or she is Jack but even when that person death game don't stop people starts disbelieve each other
it was actually smart though, because the jack would eventually have to lie one day also if everyone else died apart from the jack they could easily expose him
@@Smiley0.1 she let on her own demise by telling people to kill others by saying he or she might be jack when game didn't stop others started feel suspicious on her
@@sunsetskye483 he had an eye implant which essentially allowed him to see what his suit was. He couldn’t lose. So the only way for the game ever to end would be to torture the jack into saying the wrong answer.
@@ordinarylittlebastard3248 I mean they kinda did roll with it though. That’s the ending he kills himself because Banda and suit man start cutting him up. They just don’t show it. They also don’t show he could have cheated
@@marcusplenty1153 what I simply didn't get was that the torture-part and also the physical bullying in the beginning should be against the "no violence"-rule and both acts didn't have any direct punishment. Or was it a translation-error and the rule included only that they can't kill anybody?
05:11It seems that both did not have much choice?: If they did not lie to both (doll girl and sick man) one of them would realize the betrayal when they tell the truth to the other. So, there was no way to kill only one while maintaining trust with the one that remains, and leaving both of them alive would endanger themselves.
Good recap but misleading title all u did was sum up the episode not actuly explain how to beat it. I mean i get why people clickbait but comeon its not that hard to explain how to beat this game instead it just looks like u read out a synopsis of what happened in the episode.
I thought about some solution that doesn't guarantee a win, but removes the emotional part, the heart of the game so to speak: Basically everyone has to gather together. Then one by one, each player receives from the crowd 2 suits that are not his and he has to decide 50/50 which of the 2 that are left is the right one. That way on each turn 50% of the players probably will die and the rest will survive and the Jack eventually has to die by running out of luck. Example of a round: You have clubs and the rest of the crowd tells you diamond and heart which forces you to pick from clubs and spades, leaving you with 50% to survive the next round. EDIT: Just realised that there is another solution, but with better chance of success and minimising casualties. This time everyone gets a number and every round a new number is picked randomly. The person whose number was chosen doesn't get to hear what his suit is and no further number is picked before he dies (since he can guess his number on his own too). In this case even if the jack knows his suit, but his number was picked, the people would now since it will be very unlikely to guess your number every time in a 1/4 scenario.
That literally defeats the whole point of this game. What makes it so good is the lying and eq required. Having to read people and using your brain. Your stupid method means that it’s just a guessing game. What a dumb comment
The lottery is the most efficient solution to mafia/werewolf style games but it assumes you can get a majority. In this instance you would not only need to convince a majority of the logic behind it but since it is not a majority vote off it falls apart with even a few detractors
Haven't finished the episode, so maybe I'm wrong, but the simplest way to beat this is to form a group of minimum 4. Everyone covers their collar until the reveal and have your teammates tell yours at the same time. Anyone deviates from the plan, kill them. They get a free stay and food, plus unlimited Visa and don't have to participate in other life threatening games.
No it's not as easy as you're telling because at they end they will panic because they shouldn't trust so easily and even if they keep and keep doing this the game won't end and the food would lessen more and more causing panic and that's where people will die
Observing and having good relationships is like playing poker. There's a good why phrases like "Called Your Bluff", "Stone Cold Bluff", and "Poker Face" are still relevant after the boom.
According to the rules how could chisiya walk out unharmed? There shd be one more round of guessing where the jack of hearts took his own life. Chisiya wouldnt have survived tht round because neither the serial killer nor the venture capitalist would have helped him.
They all knew who the jack was....so why wouldn't they help each other. They basically told each other their suits truthfully...and the Jack gave the wrong answer so he wouldn't get tortured anymore. Chisiya just walked out on his own. and the other 2 stayed together.
@user-tt9lv9hn2n the other two have no motivation to help chisaya. One is a serial killer n the other a venture capitalist. They arnt the most altruistic of pple.
@@byrin They still wouldn’t have a reason to not help him, if they know who the Jack is then why not help Chishiya, being a murderer as bad as it is doesn’t mean he can’t help someone who also deduced who Jack was helping them win the game.
@thenamelessmonster47 ultimately anything can go in the borderlands. Im just pointing out what would be extremely likely given what we know about these characters. In the manga, Chisaya wasnt in this arc. They introduced him here in a way where the plot could have advanced more convincingly without him imo.
Imo. Chishiya is smarter in reading people and assessing the situation. Arisu is smarter in dealing with obstacles and planning strategies. It just depends on which one you find more useful. Cuz if Arisu was in the Jack of Hearts game, the show would definitely have him start narrating his plan lol.
chisiya by a large margin. Arisu himself says he wouldn't have made it as far as he did without help and Chisiya while also needing help from time to time often comes out on top by his own plans/actions. He pretty much cleared out 2 face games completely alone without any friends and/or former allies.
Yet all they would have to do is stop and think for a moment. The game is called Jack of Heart, so the Jack of Heart is a man. If the women had banded together and not lied to each other, more people could have survived.
Hi guys
I know a few of you are saying this video is just a recap. I tried to analyse a game which is largely based around observation and relationships through Chishiya's point of view. Providing statistics wasn't as easy as the clubs game for example, as many of the details are subtle. I'll try to add some more strategy in the next one 👍
Misleading video title. This is just a recap.
Because they were pretty straightforward with explaining what to do in the episode itself.
Bro i just told some “express” guy the same thing all these video are just recap not even how ti beat the game or atleast their opinion right or wrong on how to beat the game. Smh trash videos
@@Charlie-xu4fw you can give your opinion on how you would beat the game thou. The show explains the rules and general way ti win.. but as seen in the king of clubs game and as any good gamer knows everygame has loop holes n exploits as long as you stay in the Quoted rules
Thanks you just saved me 8 min
I'm sorry did you not find out how they won or did you not watch the video. It said what's on the title maybe you shouldn't assume things.
Chishiya sticking with Ippei was the exact right decision for him to get far. He shouldn't play devoidant and suspicious of everyone, because then people go after him, but he doesn't play with them, because he knows that multiple people in a group aren't trustworthy. You need someone innocent and with no reason to lie to be your partner in suits. Once he is alone he is forced to make a move on Matsushita, since everyone was casting suspicion on Banda being the Jack due to his suspicious behavior in the start, and saying that he was the only one who could end the game. Again, Matsushita had no reason to not lie to Chishiya, so he assumed that he did. Kotoko also would've objected to Clubs if it really was, because she also had no reason to not lie to Chishiya. After leaving their shit to luck, Chishiya catches Matsushita because he was observant enough, but that part, the audience couldn't guess, as we couldn't see these scenes of Kotoko and Matsushita communicating with each other.
You need someone trustworthy to win the game and if that goes south, you just need tobe observant to try to guess the Jack or try to eliminate your wrong suits until you can guess who the Jack is.
Umm but I'm really not bragging or showing off k but at the middle of ep 3 I already found out who the jack was because of his doings and I always thought to myself "what will I do if I was chisaya" and "what will I do if I was the jack" then after thinking of possibilities that can't be think(sounds confusing ik but yes💀💀) then I had 2 suspects the jack which I forgot his name and tat lady which wears office clothes and at the end who ever survived between the lady and the jack is the one who's the jack and I didn't suspected that guy who told the other guy to lie to tat man about his suit because the jack would not do something risky like that which would make him a suspect sou yes the jack would be very careful and not try to kill or lie anyone because he wants to win but he'll make a move when the time is right that's how ik who was the jack💀(this is the Jack's partner)(this is my analyses in the middle of ep 3 okay)and after watching ep 4 ik that the jack was working with that girl in disguise sou yes my guess was correct 💀😭
@@ameharu2522 that earns you the title of Smart. Congrats. I didn't catch all that.
@@ordinarylittlebastard3248 you mean you didn't catch what I said or in the series 😭😭😭?
I felt that what really made the Jack of Hearts so difficult was that up to that point, everyone thought that it wasn't a good idea to bring friends along with you into a hearts game as you would likely end up manipulating and betraying one another. Instead, it actually turned out that having someone close to you that you can trust would end up being extremely beneficial and guarantee your safety as you'd be able to tell each other's suits without worrying about your partner being the Jack. Your essentially forced to endure build new relationships on the spot with strangers to survive.
To beat this game, you need someone you know beforehand and is trustworthy. A best friend, a partner, a sibling, etc.
This is a Hearts game , unlike other Heart games, that secures the safety of friends, lovers, relatives, etc.
I feel like with a known partner this game becomes kinda useless. So, they must be able to change the game or disallow known partners, otherwise this is actually a big plothole.
@@cryfier Yeah, the game becomes very easy to clear when you have a partner you know so well. The only thing that would doom that arrangement would be a feud between you and your partner. And the Jack of Heart might manipulate you to betray each other if he deems you and your partner as threat.
@@johnelmartagbago3764yup or manipulate someone with trust and obverse each player action to find the jack
The issue here is that most people wouldn't want to bring a friend with them as in hearts games they're likely going to be forced to betray eachother
@@johnelmartagbago3764 it won't be easy unless jack of heart didn't spoil himself by killing someone else by telling false. As it was mentioned anyone among them can be jack so if this game keep on continue there will be time when someone get fear and tell lie to his partner which make him suspect people lies to him thinking he or she is Jack but even when that person death game don't stop people starts disbelieve each other
When Urumi created the group, I knew they were gonna fall apart one by one lmao.
it was actually smart though, because the jack would eventually have to lie one day
also if everyone else died apart from the jack they could easily expose him
@@ObeseMommy yea but, if she didn't get the idiots she got on her team, it wouldn't have worked.
@@Smiley0.1 if the Jack was in her team it would be easy for her to expose him but her only intentions was to kill people
@@ObeseMommy The Jack was never going to join the group. He knew that it was bound to fall apart.
@@Smiley0.1 she let on her own demise by telling people to kill others by saying he or she might be jack when game didn't stop others started feel suspicious on her
Isn’t this just a recap of what happened? …
Yes....yes it is.
And by telling you how chisya did it he told you how to beat it
Technicalities 🤷♂️
He lucky this wasn’t the manga. The jack was straight cheating in that shit
What’d he do?
@@sunsetskye483 he had an eye implant which essentially allowed him to see what his suit was. He couldn’t lose. So the only way for the game ever to end would be to torture the jack into saying the wrong answer.
@@marcusplenty1153 I guess we can see why Netflix didn't roll with that
@@ordinarylittlebastard3248 I mean they kinda did roll with it though. That’s the ending he kills himself because Banda and suit man start cutting him up. They just don’t show it. They also don’t show he could have cheated
@@marcusplenty1153 what I simply didn't get was that the torture-part and also the physical bullying in the beginning should be against the "no violence"-rule and both acts didn't have any direct punishment. Or was it a translation-error and the rule included only that they can't kill anybody?
05:11It seems that both did not have much choice?: If they did not lie to both (doll girl and sick man) one of them would realize the betrayal when they tell the truth to the other. So, there was no way to kill only one while maintaining trust with the one that remains, and leaving both of them alive would endanger themselves.
Good recap but misleading title all u did was sum up the episode not actuly explain how to beat it. I mean i get why people clickbait but comeon its not that hard to explain how to beat this game instead it just looks like u read out a synopsis of what happened in the episode.
I thought about some solution that doesn't guarantee a win, but removes the emotional part, the heart of the game so to speak:
Basically everyone has to gather together. Then one by one, each player receives from the crowd 2 suits that are not his and he has to decide 50/50 which of the 2 that are left is the right one. That way on each turn 50% of the players probably will die and the rest will survive and the Jack eventually has to die by running out of luck.
Example of a round:
You have clubs and the rest of the crowd tells you diamond and heart which forces you to pick from clubs and spades, leaving you with 50% to survive the next round.
EDIT:
Just realised that there is another solution, but with better chance of success and minimising casualties. This time everyone gets a number and every round a new number is picked randomly. The person whose number was chosen doesn't get to hear what his suit is and no further number is picked before he dies (since he can guess his number on his own too). In this case even if the jack knows his suit, but his number was picked, the people would now since it will be very unlikely to guess your number every time in a 1/4 scenario.
That literally defeats the whole point of this game. What makes it so good is the lying and eq required. Having to read people and using your brain. Your stupid method means that it’s just a guessing game. What a dumb comment
@@elekclan1377 I would personally prefer a guessing game than one in which I have to lie and betray people.
@@tsenkotsenkov9683 are u dumb this show is all about lying and betraying not guessing and luck
I feel your edit is sooo much worth it, the manga also said jack of hearts has prosthetic eye that linked to the collar
The lottery is the most efficient solution to mafia/werewolf style games but it assumes you can get a majority. In this instance you would not only need to convince a majority of the logic behind it but since it is not a majority vote off it falls apart with even a few detractors
I'd rather try killing the King of Spades than do this game. All aspects of your mental game will be tested here.
if you look up the wiki. You can see that Chishiya Shuntaro games he is good at is Hearts and diamonds i believe
he never participated in this game in the manga
So how to survive ? Pointless video with even more title of it.
Haven't finished the episode, so maybe I'm wrong, but the simplest way to beat this is to form a group of minimum 4. Everyone covers their collar until the reveal and have your teammates tell yours at the same time. Anyone deviates from the plan, kill them. They get a free stay and food, plus unlimited Visa and don't have to participate in other life threatening games.
You’d only be getting less than an hour of sleep at a time though, wouldn’t that have consequences on your health?
@@sunsetskye483 New Parents: You guys get one full hour of sleep? How lucky.
No it's not as easy as you're telling because at they end they will panic because they shouldn't trust so easily and even if they keep and keep doing this the game won't end and the food would lessen more and more causing panic and that's where people will die
@@ameharu2522 As long as the group stays strong, you can kill off everyone else, and by then, you’ll know if it’s someone in your group or not
@@sunsetskye483 hah??? Can u explain it really nicely?
Observing and having good relationships is like playing poker. There's a good why phrases like "Called Your Bluff", "Stone Cold Bluff", and "Poker Face" are still relevant after the boom.
I'm trying to understand why would the girl kokoto work with Jack if heart? Doesn't make sense to me
In the manga it was because the jack hypnotised her so that she would betray her partner by the end of the game
i didn't get it in the series aswell... maybe her trust started to crumble after chisiyas words but that would indeed be a really farfetched guess.
pupil dilation is the best strategy
According to the rules how could chisiya walk out unharmed? There shd be one more round of guessing where the jack of hearts took his own life. Chisiya wouldnt have survived tht round because neither the serial killer nor the venture capitalist would have helped him.
They all knew who the jack was....so why wouldn't they help each other. They basically told each other their suits truthfully...and the Jack gave the wrong answer so he wouldn't get tortured anymore. Chisiya just walked out on his own. and the other 2 stayed together.
@user-tt9lv9hn2n the other two have no motivation to help chisaya. One is a serial killer n the other a venture capitalist. They arnt the most altruistic of pple.
@@byrin They still wouldn’t have a reason to not help him, if they know who the Jack is then why not help Chishiya, being a murderer as bad as it is doesn’t mean he can’t help someone who also deduced who Jack was helping them win the game.
@thenamelessmonster47 ultimately anything can go in the borderlands. Im just pointing out what would be extremely likely given what we know about these characters. In the manga, Chisaya wasnt in this arc. They introduced him here in a way where the plot could have advanced more convincingly without him imo.
@@byrin Yeah I read the manga chapters for this game & know he wasn’t in it
Can you make part 3 of toothless but with subtitles?
the real question is, who is smarter: Chisiya? or the main protagonist Arisu? and why?
Imo.
Chishiya is smarter in reading people and assessing the situation.
Arisu is smarter in dealing with obstacles and planning strategies.
It just depends on which one you find more useful.
Cuz if Arisu was in the Jack of Hearts game, the show would definitely have him start narrating his plan lol.
Clearly Chisiya
chisiya by a large margin. Arisu himself says he wouldn't have made it as far as he did without help and Chisiya while also needing help from time to time often comes out on top by his own plans/actions. He pretty much cleared out 2 face games completely alone without any friends and/or former allies.
As you put in your comment, this was more of a recap. Try to explain strategies
really trying to leach off how to beat, trying too hard
Jack of hearts know they are the jack of hearts?
This is just a recap with less details
Yet all they would have to do is stop and think for a moment. The game is called Jack of Heart, so the Jack of Heart is a man. If the women had banded together and not lied to each other, more people could have survived.