That was a totally different story at the beginning, but some exec thought it would be a good idea to make it a Scooby-Doo franchise. That's why it's weird, it wasn't supposed to be a Velma story.
They do this to a lot of movies and shows because they want us to reject the old. That's a key point to liberalism. To destroy the old. It's to create stability. We had to sacrifice happiness, or high art. In liberalism you always sacrifice high art, in the name of happiness. They want a stable society. It doesn't matter how AWFUL the new is. When something is still appealing like Star Wars or Scooby-Doo they have to change it to make it new. So that you forget the old, and accept the new.
Which self inserts themselves isn't even something that singularly Mindy Khaling does, what breaks my heart is that there is so much wrong with media/behind the scenes productions that when the self inserts seem like a cry for help, no one treats it like the real problem it really is bc people tried to express themselves through metaphors instead of calling out the industry. Mindy Khaling worked really hard then got labeled as a diversity hire, it's totally understandable that she's frustrated and trying to shine lights on problems shes been highlighting for years, after so long, shes probably running out of ideas for how to feel heard & seen at this point. 🥺🥺🥺 Also mediocrity happens everywhere it's just unfairly shamed when it comes from anyone of the global majority 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
I’m a brown South East Asian. You can side-eye me for thinking that already established characters should not be race swapped. It feels like tokenism. It feels like I’m being pandered to, but in a wrong way. I want representation to be on original characters that can stand on their own two feet without the backing of a previous character. It’s frustrating that I’m being told that a brown person can’t hold themselves up without a franchise behind them.
The color of a character's skin should matter was much as the color of their hair...and since they weren't willing to change Velma's hair, they shouldn't have changed her skin either.
Scooby-Doo is a malleable enough franchise to where I think they can change just about anything and make it work, though I'm not against the idea of swapping skin tones in general. The is issue is totally that almost no one can do it without making it feel pandering. Like if you're going to do representation, DO REPRESENTATION. And the best representation doesn't have a giant neon sign pointing to itself saying "Look what I did~!"
Yes! This exactly. There's thoughtful diversity-adding and then there's whatever the hell this shit is. I don't like race swapping solely because it's someone else's character who was made the way they are. But I wouldn't have been opposed to new POC characters being added. Although it's clear Mindy just wanted to self insert and used Scooby Doo characters for this.
Race swapping in animation always feels really insincere to me. Like it’s just adding characters of color just to say you have them. This particular instance feels like they just wanted to make a bunch of “white people be like…” jokes. If this had been live action and Mindy had read for the part and the producers had felt like she was simply the best fit for bringing Velma to life then it would feel way more like an honest attempt at inclusivity rather than virtue signaling.
Although admittedly the animation is great. The racism, demasculinization, stereotypes, cringe or just completely terrible jokes and sexualization of teens is simply annoying. Even more so, under the name of the Scooby-Doo franchise. It's quite obvious they were gonna make a completely original show and were somewhat forced to make it under the guise of a Scooby-Doo re-imagining. It's also ridiculous that actually great shows were cancelled and this that no one wants has been okayed for a season two
@@tronystark7817 nah, I can't even hate watch it if I wanted. And if shallow means having taste and wanting to actually spend time consuming good media, I guess I'm shallow. Countless shows that I sincerely enjoy actually make fun of the audience or real life situations, so clearly, that's not the issue
a lot of the people complaining about the show being too different don't realise that shaggy's real name has always been norville, he's probably gonna get the nickname shaggy later on in the show
@@eliana8834 was also high and a big Scooby-Doo fan and that shit was like tripping on acid, not fun at all. It had its moments, but for the most part it's just weird
As someone who’s south asian, i get really tired of the self/culture hating stereotype mindy puts into her characters. Especially because so much of the media misrepresents our culture and makes us out to be self deprecating, i wish she would put into a character who truly loves and adores south asian culture.
It especially becomes a big problem when she’s essentially the only person out there making Indian people the main characters in western media. But if all she does is write them as unpopular nerds/losers or someone who dislikes their own culture then what kind of story is she telling to her audience? And when those Indian characters always seem to need the attention or approval of a white man? Edit: I do want to say that just bc she’s the one of the only Indian voices in media does not mean she has to be a spokesperson or activist, and it doesn’t mean she has to represent all of the Indian experience. However, it does mean that any internalised racism she struggles with that gets projected onto her characters is something that needs to be addressed.
As a fellow south Asian, the only good representation I’ve seen in recent American media is “Bridgerton” sz 2 (at least there’s no self-deprecation) we need more dark-skin Indian writers which is the problem, because all we have now is Mindy retelling her life experience in different mediums
like that other one guy said: "Teen shows nowadays you just can't have a normal friendship between two girls, they always had to end up hooking up with each other."
i’ve seen some criticisms against the show for being too “woke” even though it isn’t actually woke… they poke fun at the me too movement, cancel culture, and sexualize their teen characters. the show has such a misogynistic undertone that i don’t see how anyone can possibly think it’s “woke”.
Woke in that sense probably just means there are Black and brown people in it. A good tell for this is when you can just swap out “woke” for a racial slur i.e. “this show is too woke” = “this show has too many n-words”
I feel like, to way too many people, you could slap together a tv show where the MC is POC of some kind who completely supports every single thing about right wing ideology, hates women, wants strict traditional values back and god for bid, even fully justifies a certain moustache man from WW2. But, because that MC isn't WHITE, the show is therefore wokist propaganda.
The main problems other than it not knowing which gen it’s catered towards is that Velma is way too unlikeable and they made Fred the punching bag since he’s the only straight white male character.
I love how they race-swapped the characters to add more diversity only for them all be typecasted. You have a dorky Indian nerd, the mean hot Asian chick, and the black stoner... Your show isn't diverse if all your POC characters are just walking stereotypes.
But Shaggy isn’t a stoner in this series, he is goofy. And Daphne is only mean to Velma in the beginning and she is generally neutral with others, also Velma’s issue isn’t that she is a nerd, it’s that she is mean. Like the show is seriously bad, but those stereotypes are not in play.
Interesting how she has a specific trend of making her indian characters nerdy and undesireable, etc. I can get why people would get tired of that representation. It's not like she couldn't do the opposite. Bridgerton season 2 had not just one but two indian girls depicted as desireable, without even compromising their intellect as they were also very accomplished.
Yea that is strange…like I understand doing it once or twice with a show like never have have I ever (which is based on Mindy’s own high school experience I think) bc that is realistic in a high school setting, but why does EVERY SINGLE SHOW have to be like that.
I’m getting tired of how much attention Velma is getting, even thou it’s mostly negative. I watched Puss in Boots: The Last Wish and I must say that it’s not only one of the best animated movies of the last year, but one of the best movies in general. There’s no bs in it, just a lot of love and care put into the animation and storytelling. I highly recommend everyone to watch it! 🥰
Honestly I hate they way they depicted panic attacks. Making fun of your friends to calm down and coming onto them sexually to calm them down are not how you deal with panic attacks. Puss In Boots The Last Wish did a much better job with realistic and non harmful panic attack representation
There is no target audience -well they definitely wanted to drag in the people that grow up with scooby doo to this. Because if you erase the origin of the characters, the show would be just some show. Marketing grab; use a well known character, change them to suit your own story and ignore complaints 😀 👍
Daphne kissed Velma when she was incapacitated by a panic attack, having hallucinations and not giving any indication of romantic interest. It doesn't seem like very favourable representation.
Ìn fairness, it wasn't exactly taking advantage. Velma asked Daphne to make her laugh, as Norville had inadvertently done (with sincerity - because LOLZ😶) and when that failed spectacularly she shouted at Daphne to do something to shock her out of it... Its not funny (might be a Cliche - at anyway Doctor Who did that gag once) but I don't think it could be considered inappropriate...
I’ve actually seen the show and the criticism I’m seeing a lot that just doesn’t make sense is that people are saying that making Shaggy black is enforcing the “black stoner” stereotype. Which makes it obvious to me that people haven’t actually watched the show. It’s made very clear in the show that Norville doesn’t participate in recreational drug use and is actually very against it. When watching the show, people need to realize that even though some of the characters might have the same names or dress the same as the original Scooby Doo characters, these characters are NOT the Scooby Doo characters. They all have completely different personalities and interests and flaws to the original Scooby Doo gang. I think if people watch with that mindset, they’d be a lot more open minded when watching. That being said, the dialogue is… interesting. It makes all the characters seem annoying and horrible, at best boring and shallow. They don’t feel realistic at all. While I understand it’s a cartoon and things are more dramatized for effect, there still needs to be some type of human connection to pull the audience in. And for this show, there just isn’t. I feel nothing for any of the characters. I can’t even hate them because I just don’t care enough. With all that being said, I’m going to at least finish the season. I want to see what they do with the plot. It’s not entirely captivating since the characters can overshadow it, but I think the premise could be way more appealing in a different context. I want to see if I can actually look forward to seeing what happens next. I would say, don’t bash it til you’ve seen it. It’s problematic at times and just misguided in some ways but I think if it was done differently in any capacity, it could’ve really been something. I want to see if it can be redeemed by the end of the first season.
Actually it does make sense to call Shaggy a black stoner. They made the character people joke about being a stoner black and had him constantly say he hates stoners.
hey, what did you think of the ending? I liked how they revealed the mysteries and the easter eggs that were placed, I think that in the second season they can actually evolve the series and decrease the amount of dull jokes that the first one has
Most of the criticism I've seen for the show on the parts of social media I lurk on is the fact that the main characters are very ooc compared to their characterisation in any other piece of scooby doo media, in particular Fred. Like yeah Fred can have a bit of a ego in certain shows or movies but he's never been a straight up bigot. It feels like they're just trying to make these characters into 'edgy' versions of the original characters but only by having them be assholes.
The art style is pretty cute however I got some “not like other girls” vibes from this show. Definitely made it hard to watch. I also agree with all the points in your video. I find it sad that people will hate on a show for the single reason that a character has been changed to add diversity. I do think it’s sort of funny that what feels like the whole internet hates this show.
South Asian viewer here, and after watching the first episode I could see this show for what it truly was - a vehicle for Mindy and the writers to put out their own agendas and ideas under the name of humour and apparently 'representation'. We need better writers and producers writing better examples of apparent 'representation' than these guys. Truly atrocious and I'm glad it got the backlash it recieved.
Even though I haven't watched the show yet, I nonetheless appreciate their inclusion of a dark skin goth black girl (Gigi) who wears a black hairstyle. The representation means a lot.
@@grant1739 Oh, no, I agree with all of that, The show is absolutely horrid. I mean some of the hate isn't for a good reason. Some people simply hate it because they made some of the characters POC.
@@zer8109 thank you!!! The show is crap, yea! But, let’s be honest.. is Mindy really off?? You go on TikTok you can’t even talk to anyone without them either yelling, “I go by it/is/They!!! You disrespected me!! I hate you all!!.” Like I’ve literally been cussed out by people for saying, “bro.” In a comment.. and I call everyone bro! scroll up, someones talking bad about some, “wyte cisgender man..” and the comments are like, “yeah! Eff these Mayo monkey men!!” like honestly.. I’m sure Mindy sees these same exact TikTok’s and felt like her show would be relatable. I no longer watch TikTok for the reason of toxicity of gender, masculinity, and feminism war..I care for my HEALTH. And most people are mad because this show bashes Wyte people. Which wytes been bashing Asians for YEARS!! Now it’s not funny? Like hypercritical much?? They’re mad since she’s an ethnic woman, they can’t be funny. We seen this with Superwoman who is also Indian. So this makes me feel… perhaps they write this way, because this is how they really feel.. and wanna make an outlet.. is it okay? No. Because, it’s done out of hate. And self insecurities. Wyte people don’t owe us shxt! Could have been better without even giving them their attention they desperately wanted. And I keep seeing people say this show is “tokenism,” and I agree. But, it’s hard to create a whole new show starting with the lead being Indian. Which is why I think they chose, “Velma,” so people can detach the Indian from her. But, when they realized it was really from an Indian perspective they were like, “nope we out.”
As per usual, I agree with your takes on the show. I’m most interested in the mystery of her mom and the murders of the town. I feel like we finally got some interesting development on it in episodes 5 & 6.
I can empathize with Mindy Kaling as a black girl just because I’m pretty sure she’s grown up used to being the only Indian/South Asian in the room and she is a dark skinned woman in that community. The colorism, racism, feeling like or being treated as a token; not to mention the pressure of representing a whole community when you just want to be a comedic writer. I feel like because of her experience is why her obvious self insert characters come off as the “pick me” poc type
@@shigermuleye5203 never said there wasn’t more to the story everyone has layers; not sure how you equate me empathizing with one part of her life as dehumanizing, but I hoped you stretched before such a reach 🙄
@@imuRgency This didn't have to be a Velma show. Mindy Kaling original shows are good on their own. This could've been inspired by mystery gang but essentially been like its own thing criticizing the tropes.
Norvell is Shaggys name is the old show, its mentionedback in the 1968 first season, and a couple of times in the 1980s, but it was rarely used. Peoplestarted calling him Shaggy at Woodstock, accordingto the original cannon and he just used that after. Its actually a good nod to a not well known fact about Shaggy, that they are using his real name. Plus Gigi is a character from the 1980s, who only appears a few times. She was a hippie who Shaggy was dating in the 1980s episodes. So it's nice to see them bring in some old not well known side characters as well. The show is full of endless Easter egg nods to the past like that. I like that they did that. And something i haven't seen any youtuber mention yet, is Scooby-Doo is in fact in every episode. You have to play Where's Waldo to find him, hidden as an easter egg in the background, but so far, I've found him in all the first 6 episodes. And I like the people of colour and LGBTQAI additions. If you go back to an old interview from the 1980s writers, they said they wanted it to be Velma likes Daphne, Daphne likes Fred, Fred like Shaggy, and Shaggy was asexul, so all the characters were originally intended to be LGBTQAI but TV producers wouldn't allow it. So, I'm glad to see that original intent is finally being allowed. For the most part, I actually like the show. I just don't like the crass over sexualization of minors that it is also doing.
"who is this for?!" in the thumbnail Is the exact same thought i had about 10min into the first ep. The political lean of it seems to be in every direction 😬
Honestly, the disconnect between the original gang alone was enough for me to not like Velma. Fred and Daphne were way nicer and smarter and more cohesive with Velma than this spin-off.
its a really common trend for movies, shows, music and video games to try and appeal to everyone. when you do that, at best, you'll have an o.k., forgettable product for a large audience. but if you have a target audience, then you actually have a chance at making something people will love. something that can have a real impact. but that's a risk and the majority of these studios are scared to take risks.
There are high quality media that aim for everyone, and when they do well they become widely beloved classics like the early Disney movies. What they need to be made is talented writers, a simple plot, and a studio that is willing to take risks. Besides that I agree with you.
Her character is mean and selfish but just like you said so was davie. I think the difference is the supporting characters don’t call her out enough and that’s what is missing. Episode five was better in terms of supporting characters but Velma just got meaner. I’m sorry but Gossip Girl getting canceled and we have this trash is very alarming. At least it was getting good where as Velma is getting worst
Wednesday was good. A palate cleanser after this (although I honestly though Velma had finished with Episode 8 and when I found out I was literally FML!) Featuring a detective in a reinvention of a much loved IP focusing on a central female character who is self centred and mean (and manipulative) and totally thinks she is better than everyone else and is solving a Mystery. But it works, perhaps because at least we get some glimmer of under the surface humanity, eventually she DOES totally get called out for her BS, and she is not an out of control, histrionic monster...
That's absolutely fair, and maybe they had to make compromises due to the IP or producer notes. But at the end of the day, its a hot mess, and I have to admit part of me, the bit interested in how TV or movies comes together is fascinated to know why, and what was Intended...
But Scooby Doo was never a show with MEAN main characters. It should never have been put under the SD name bc it's like the anti-SD. It should have been its own show with fresh characters instead of coat tail riding a classic franchise, BUT they probably knew they'd get zero audience eyeballs unless they used nostalgia points to get them to tune in bc the scripts are weak af.
@@mandymcnalis7551 bffr. the “it should have been something completely different” is such a dumb argument because then y’all would call it a ripoff. it’s a spinoff and a reimagining. literally HOW are you mad that it’s too different????? they’ve never made scooby doo for adults before, it can be as different as it wants. weirdo
As a long time fan of animation in general, it’s wild to me that Venture Brothers got canceled and *THIS* got greenlit. And don’t get me wrong, parts of the Venture Brothers have aged pretty poorly and at first I understood why studios didn’t want to take the risk of picking it up after they got dropped by Adult Swim. But then *VELMA* came out and it seems clear to me that they’re still more about marketability than quality representation and actually good dark humor. At this point I trust those nerdy white boys behind Venture Brothers to actually evolve and recognize past failings waayyyy more than I trust Mindy Kaling to stick the landing
It doesn't help that Jackson Publick and Doc Hammer were so committed to the craftsmanship behind VB that it became unprofitable. I'm honestly amazed that AS let them keep it going for as long as they did. Shows like Velma will always be more appealing to studios looking to make a cheap buck from people's outrage, unfortunately.
The shows just feels so badly scripted and written it feels like it was like this on purpose with the intention of bad talk. Either way I- just can’t believe they really thought this was good
To answer the "who it's for" question. It's written for the ever growing group of younger people who crave to be victimized. And will make any excuse to turn someone else into a villain for them to "stand up against"
The show gives me whiplash. Sometimes it feels like it was written by an incel. In general, it just feels really bitter and I can't get any enjoyment out of it. There are genuine criticisms to be made, but "RACESWAPPING IS BAD" is not one of them. Been playing a game of seeing how long it takes for some reviewers to show their true colors with their commentary on the representation. Thank you for making a video that actually thoughtfully looks at why the show isn't working for most people.
velma feels like parody about everything ''woke''. all the ''woke'' stuff has turned to max so much it can not be other than some wierd parody that random person has uploaded to youtube or something like that
Ya Know this show reminds me of the like the She-Hulk hate because when that show came out people were so pissed and yeah the show isn’t perfect. But it’s like way too much to be getting anger at. This is not the worst thing in the world, there are much worst things out there with it comes to animation. I feel like most people forget that fact.
Velma being written as bi in this show as opposed to a lesbian which she canonically is feels like erasure and a way to get her with Mindy Kaling’s fictional white guy of the month
Thank you for waiting for more episodes like I didn’t know if I should or not watch it! I love your review it was soooo GOOD! Thanks like it’s so nice to see someone be so real and down to earth in there review and not so enraged it’s uncomfortable. I’m planning to watch it tonight thanks! (I will edit it with my take after I’m done)
It’s like they tried to turn the gang from Scooby Doo into the gang from Its Always Sunny but forgot to include everything about Its Always Sunny that makes it work as both a comedy and a satire. Instead of laughing at how much of a bunch of assholes the main cast are and how the consequences of their own actions come back to bite them you’re just watching a bunch of assholes be mean and hateful. It’s pretty uncomfortable to watch at times imo.
For me, I hate the unoriginal way of going about being "inclusive". I'd rather there be new characters for whatever identity they're adding instead of changing everything about a show we all loved.
These characters skin color is NOT integral to their story. Their race can be interchangeable unless it’s tied into the story. Unless you hold a certain race higher than the other???
@Get down on it I don't hold any race higher than another. We are all humans trying to make it day to day. It's insulting to POC to not get their own stories don't you think? They're only getting hand-me-downs from white characters.
@@getdownonit8753 See, the problem with this argument is that it can be used for whitewashing as well. There are instances when anime gets a live action and they cast a white person for the main character (ex. Ghost In The Shell, Death Note, etc.) even though the character is originally Asian. So imo, the “race isn’t tied to the story” argument isn’t a strong argument because it can be used to “justify” whitewashing that happens to POC characters whose races don’t impact the story. T1J has a video called “Should Black Actors Play White Roles?” which dives into this topic more. Changing the race of a white character does not have the impact that whitewashing a POC character has. Western media is dominated by white characters so changing their race to POC would not really impact “white representation” overall. Meanwhile whitewashing a POC character would take away from the minimalistic POC representation that exists. That’s the real problem imo and not the fact that “race doesn’t impact the story”.
remember the hate train people had for batwoman and once it died down the interest in the show went with it? thats exactly what's gonna happen with this show. It'll eat itself alive eventually
For the people who are confused why everybody hates the show Velma (2023): 1. For Velma and Daphne, they both were fighting like they’re enemies now. 2. For Fred, a lot people saw him and said he’s gay. 3. For Scooby, the show replaced him with a black human girl named Gigi and she’s like the new Scooby but more different. 4. I noticed the scene where Daphne and Velma were kissing like they’re lesbian. 5. And people asked “What they done to my boy Shaggy?”. I heard this question a lot about why he’s black and haves different hair. 6. The Mystery Machine was also mentioned where it was white and not its original. So some people said that even the van is ruined.
Like Daphne and Velma should’ve been a couple just keeping with the original story. But the way they are playing Fred is what rubs me the wrong way, I get that Fred can be an asshole sometimes but he at least thinks about the whole team while solving these mysteries. I just wish the writing was done better.
I know MANY people aren’t going to like what I say but I genuinely think this show was just made for ppl who don’t dgaf. And when I say that I mean ppl who aren’t bothered by the way other ppl live their life like, gay, trans, black, white, etc like people who are actually IN THE REAL WORLD. No cancel culture bs (I’m talking abt canceling ppl for literally nothing) all that. Like this shows humor kinda reminds me of the scary movie series in a way ( not EXACTLY alike) but they were able to say “offensive” jokes without making it offensive if that makes sense 😭and I kinda see that with Velma. I’m black personally so I cannot speak on the Indian representation bc that does not involve me but what I will say is y’all have to remember how Mindy grew up…she was NEVER treated or seen as beautiful growing up and it was only til she got older she realized. And we see in a lot of shows these characters getting bad representation or not loving themselves bc of their race…Now let’s connect how mindy grew up…FAMILIAR RIGHT? I feel she’s trying to write abt her past experiences and show she was seen but while also trying to make it relatable and funny…and she’s missed on a few occasions but Velma honestly had given me a few giggles
I really just don't like how Velma is casted as ugly and how Mindy and whoever she works with has a history of portraying brown girls that way, like if the hot girls can be so diverse, why does Velma have to be ugly. It just seems like self hate and internalized racism and I don't think it's healthy representation for brown girls to be shown as undesirable.
550: I freaking HATE the show! WTF were they thinking? It’s the worst thing of 2023! It’ll never be loved, never. I love the original, thank you very much
Wen u put Mindy's pic on I was like damn the animators really got her as Velma really well. Velma is literally her visually maybe even mentally just saying
My least favorite part of the show (there’s a lot I don’t like) is that it is so mean spirited without justifying it with say, good characterization. I’d be happy to watch a terrible character, especially in animation which is a slept on medium for adult demographics, but this show actively makes fun of people and acts like it’s right. Also it doesn’t try anything new. It falls into the same pitfalls as almost all contemporary adult tv shows except for like a good few. Screw this! Watch Invincible it has a wayyy better mystery
I love this show. There is og van from Scooby Doo van there but not painted. Literally Fred painted it. At the end he is owning it. And there is a scene where Velma Daphne and Fred are getting away from killer like in the Scooby Doo series. Them running everywhere. And I laugh mamy times. And the case is so great.
Why make an innocent Saturday morning kids' show into something "edgy"? If Kaling and Grandy wanted to do an adult cartoon, that's fine, but why screw around with a kiddie thing?
I love your personality. I clicked the “here before 200K” button ❤. You are way more entertaining than what Velma seems like it will be, but I still want to see it for myself. Everyone is telling me I will regret this. Especially since I personally hate TV. I’m just. So. *CuriouS*. though.
Thing is, its not so much "they changed it so its sucks" , or race lifts that make this so hateable with the people who DON'T enjoy being outraged at perceived wokeism in modern pop culture. It, that this is more of a mean spirited joke AT Scooby Do fan's expense, or at least its for people who watched Scooby as kids, vaguely remember it and its idiosyncratic silliness but are not fans as such so can laugh at the "adult" swipes at it. If someone were a genuine fan, or has genuine affection for Scooby Doo this evisceration of the characters, and premise mixed would be horrible to see. Its also shocking how unlikeable Velma is, and as the show progresses she gets worse. Even less sympathetic becoming petty, manipulative, deceitful, possessive and petulant. Whereas Daphne (and to a lesser degree Norvill, and to a tiny one Fred) become more sympathetic, or even likeable. Lastly the race thing. Looking at the show, not really knowing who the actors are and the art style, its quite far in that I learned Velma was asian not black and Daphne I would never have guessed she was asian if not for reviews. I mean the art style offers no clue, at least not one I noticed.
This is for mindy and only mindy I feel like it really shows what type of person she is and her views on alot of things. Also it's spoonfeeding us wokeness and over preachyness
Very solid analysis. I would say personally the mystery itself kept me entertained and I know some people hate the constant references to Scooby-Doo but I enjoyed them and I also enjoyed the other references to other hana barbara shows. I also didn't hate the self-referential humor and the show kind of just sets up my expectations for it in the first two episodes. So I guess because I don't expect it to be anything different than that, it doesn't piss me off
They probably shouldn’t had branded it under Scooby Do, and just created an entire different universe
That was a totally different story at the beginning, but some exec thought it would be a good idea to make it a Scooby-Doo franchise. That's why it's weird, it wasn't supposed to be a Velma story.
It felt like a self insert, turned into a Scooby doo show so that it could actually take off (and crash land)
They do this to a lot of movies and shows because they want us to reject the old. That's a key point to liberalism. To destroy the old. It's to create stability. We had to sacrifice happiness, or high art. In liberalism you always sacrifice high art, in the name of happiness. They want a stable society. It doesn't matter how AWFUL the new is. When something is still appealing like Star Wars or Scooby-Doo they have to change it to make it new. So that you forget the old, and accept the new.
Even though it is its own show, it’s still going to be bad; the humor isn’t good, the jokes aren’t funny, and it’s too inappropriate and insulting.
Still woulda been pretty fucking bad
Her characters are just self inserts and it’s getting more clear every shows she comes out with 💀
Which self inserts themselves isn't even something that singularly Mindy Khaling does, what breaks my heart is that there is so much wrong with media/behind the scenes productions that when the self inserts seem like a cry for help, no one treats it like the real problem it really is bc people tried to express themselves through metaphors instead of calling out the industry. Mindy Khaling worked really hard then got labeled as a diversity hire, it's totally understandable that she's frustrated and trying to shine lights on problems shes been highlighting for years, after so long, shes probably running out of ideas for how to feel heard & seen at this point. 🥺🥺🥺
Also mediocrity happens everywhere it's just unfairly shamed when it comes from anyone of the global majority 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
Agreed. It's getting old and it always gets old af no matter who does it. Who's impressed by a one trick pony after more than seeing it once or twice?
More than just a self-insert, it's blatant "Mary Sue" writing. Everybody she knows being romantically into her is a huge red flag for that.
The main character is too mean and selfish, I can't stand her.
Which is weird because Velma has never been mean or selfish.
@@Zerathenezot it’s her origin story she’s not the Velma yk yet
@@Zerathenezot fr the og velma was nerdy and shh
@@sbdevon9700 yeah its hers and the rest of the gangs 12th origin story.
that’s like the blueprint for all of mindy kalings characters what do u expect 😭
YES! the target audience is so confusing.
I know right like what??????🙄
The target audience is mindy kaling
you'd be surprised how many "mindy kaling"s exist@@libbymay
I’m a brown South East Asian. You can side-eye me for thinking that already established characters should not be race swapped. It feels like tokenism. It feels like I’m being pandered to, but in a wrong way. I want representation to be on original characters that can stand on their own two feet without the backing of a previous character. It’s frustrating that I’m being told that a brown person can’t hold themselves up without a franchise behind them.
The color of a character's skin should matter was much as the color of their hair...and since they weren't willing to change Velma's hair, they shouldn't have changed her skin either.
Scooby-Doo is a malleable enough franchise to where I think they can change just about anything and make it work, though I'm not against the idea of swapping skin tones in general. The is issue is totally that almost no one can do it without making it feel pandering. Like if you're going to do representation, DO REPRESENTATION. And the best representation doesn't have a giant neon sign pointing to itself saying "Look what I did~!"
Yes! This exactly. There's thoughtful diversity-adding and then there's whatever the hell this shit is. I don't like race swapping solely because it's someone else's character who was made the way they are. But I wouldn't have been opposed to new POC characters being added. Although it's clear Mindy just wanted to self insert and used Scooby Doo characters for this.
Race swapping in animation always feels really insincere to me. Like it’s just adding characters of color just to say you have them. This particular instance feels like they just wanted to make a bunch of “white people be like…” jokes. If this had been live action and Mindy had read for the part and the producers had felt like she was simply the best fit for bringing Velma to life then it would feel way more like an honest attempt at inclusivity rather than virtue signaling.
Kinda pointless. Could have done a new character.
Although admittedly the animation is great. The racism, demasculinization, stereotypes, cringe or just completely terrible jokes and sexualization of teens is simply annoying. Even more so, under the name of the Scooby-Doo franchise. It's quite obvious they were gonna make a completely original show and were somewhat forced to make it under the guise of a Scooby-Doo re-imagining. It's also ridiculous that actually great shows were cancelled and this that no one wants has been okayed for a season two
"Demasculinization" what? 💀
@@perplexed1783 yh, do you need me to define it as well as identify the multiple times it was present within the show?
It's so hilariously bad it's great. Shallow people just need a reason to hate something that not afraid to take shots at them
@@tronystark7817 nah, I can't even hate watch it if I wanted. And if shallow means having taste and wanting to actually spend time consuming good media, I guess I'm shallow. Countless shows that I sincerely enjoy actually make fun of the audience or real life situations, so clearly, that's not the issue
@Athalia Bynoe Nah that criticism is just utterly stupid
in the original show Shaggy's name is also Norville. But everyone calls him Shaggy because of his hair.
a lot of the people complaining about the show being too different don't realise that shaggy's real name has always been norville, he's probably gonna get the nickname shaggy later on in the show
LITERALLY! Like we know who really watched the show 🤣
Right!!!! but only real fans would know that. I haven't watched it yet tho so should I give it a chance
@@neishawnjohnson7602 I would! Just don’t take it serious, I was high watching and enjoyed my time
@@eliana8834 was also high and a big Scooby-Doo fan and that shit was like tripping on acid, not fun at all. It had its moments, but for the most part it's just weird
As someone who’s south asian, i get really tired of the self/culture hating stereotype mindy puts into her characters. Especially because
so much of the media misrepresents our culture and makes us out to be self deprecating, i wish she would put into a character who truly loves and adores south asian culture.
It especially becomes a big problem when she’s essentially the only person out there making Indian people the main characters in western media. But if all she does is write them as unpopular nerds/losers or someone who dislikes their own culture then what kind of story is she telling to her audience? And when those Indian characters always seem to need the attention or approval of a white man?
Edit: I do want to say that just bc she’s the one of the only Indian voices in media does not mean she has to be a spokesperson or activist, and it doesn’t mean she has to represent all of the Indian experience. However, it does mean that any internalised racism she struggles with that gets projected onto her characters is something that needs to be addressed.
As a fellow south Asian, the only good representation I’ve seen in recent American media is “Bridgerton” sz 2 (at least there’s no self-deprecation) we need more dark-skin Indian writers which is the problem, because all we have now is Mindy retelling her life experience in different mediums
as someone who enjoys one of her shows (never have i ever), yeah it's really weird once you notice the pattern in all of them.
Not even south asian, but it's incredibly irritating to watch her negatively stereotype the culture based on her own terrible experiences/views
@@faysoflife The racial diversity in Bridgerton is weird to me. The characters in the books were all white. Maybe it's because I'm not Gen Z.
Moral of Daphne kissing Velma, when your friend is having a panic attack, that is a great time to make sexual advances on them! /s
Hey that's what Lydia did to Stiles when he was having a panic attack in that one episode of Teen Wolf. Everyone loved it then. 🤣🤣
@@mimah1015 Never saw it, but I’m in the mindset that this concept should be frowned upon no matter the show
like that other one guy said: "Teen shows nowadays you just can't have a normal friendship between two girls, they always had to end up hooking up with each other."
No one can convince me that the writers of this show do not fucking hate Scooby Doo, and adult animation all together 💀
I honestly find it impressive how this show managed to make people from multiple demographics upset
i’ve seen some criticisms against the show for being too “woke” even though it isn’t actually woke… they poke fun at the me too movement, cancel culture, and sexualize their teen characters. the show has such a misogynistic undertone that i don’t see how anyone can possibly think it’s “woke”.
Woke in that sense probably just means there are Black and brown people in it. A good tell for this is when you can just swap out “woke” for a racial slur i.e. “this show is too woke” = “this show has too many n-words”
Anyone with dark skin is too "woke" for conservatives so it's not that surprising
It’s definitely woke dummy
I feel like, to way too many people, you could slap together a tv show where the MC is POC of some kind who completely supports every single thing about right wing ideology, hates women, wants strict traditional values back and god for bid, even fully justifies a certain moustache man from WW2.
But, because that MC isn't WHITE, the show is therefore wokist propaganda.
🤣🤣🤣
The main problems other than it not knowing which gen it’s catered towards is that Velma is way too unlikeable and they made Fred the punching bag since he’s the only straight white male character.
Don't forget 'Shaggy's' therapist dad...
They did Fred so dirty. He went from classic Fred being a lovable himbo spitting out dad jokes, to some bitter twink man-child.
Fr 🤣🤣🤣
I love how they race-swapped the characters to add more diversity only for them all be typecasted. You have a dorky Indian nerd, the mean hot Asian chick, and the black stoner...
Your show isn't diverse if all your POC characters are just walking stereotypes.
But Shaggy isn’t a stoner in this series, he is goofy. And Daphne is only mean to Velma in the beginning and she is generally neutral with others, also Velma’s issue isn’t that she is a nerd, it’s that she is mean. Like the show is seriously bad, but those stereotypes are not in play.
That’s how Ik u didn’t even watch the show shaggy isn’t even a stoner
You clearly didn’t watch the show😭 bc shaggy literally says he hates drugs 🤣
Is Daphne asian
Yeah but do you know the reason?
Interesting how she has a specific trend of making her indian characters nerdy and undesireable, etc. I can get why people would get tired of that representation. It's not like she couldn't do the opposite. Bridgerton season 2 had not just one but two indian girls depicted as desireable, without even compromising their intellect as they were also very accomplished.
Especially after the phenomenon that was Bridgerton season 2. She really didnt catch the zeitgeist on this one.
Yea that is strange…like I understand doing it once or twice with a show like never have have I ever (which is based on Mindy’s own high school experience I think) bc that is realistic in a high school setting, but why does EVERY SINGLE SHOW have to be like that.
I’m getting tired of how much attention Velma is getting, even thou it’s mostly negative. I watched Puss in Boots: The Last Wish and I must say that it’s not only one of the best animated movies of the last year, but one of the best movies in general. There’s no bs in it, just a lot of love and care put into the animation and storytelling. I highly recommend everyone to watch it! 🥰
Honestly I hate they way they depicted panic attacks. Making fun of your friends to calm down and coming onto them sexually to calm them down are not how you deal with panic attacks.
Puss In Boots The Last Wish did a much better job with realistic and non harmful panic attack representation
it works when its a women advancing on a man having a panic attack. I'm being serious.
Wow, the writer for this show is really messed up in the head. 🤦🏽♀️
There is no target audience -well they definitely wanted to drag in the people that grow up with scooby doo to this. Because if you erase the origin of the characters, the show would be just some show. Marketing grab; use a well known character, change them to suit your own story and ignore complaints 😀 👍
One positive I will give this show is this show made me appreciate every Scooby-Doo remake
Daphne kissed Velma when she was incapacitated by a panic attack, having hallucinations and not giving any indication of romantic interest. It doesn't seem like very favourable representation.
Ìn fairness, it wasn't exactly taking advantage. Velma asked Daphne to make her laugh, as Norville had inadvertently done (with sincerity - because LOLZ😶) and when that failed spectacularly she shouted at Daphne to do something to shock her out of it...
Its not funny (might be a Cliche - at anyway Doctor Who did that gag once) but I don't think it could be considered inappropriate...
I’ve actually seen the show and the criticism I’m seeing a lot that just doesn’t make sense is that people are saying that making Shaggy black is enforcing the “black stoner” stereotype. Which makes it obvious to me that people haven’t actually watched the show. It’s made very clear in the show that Norville doesn’t participate in recreational drug use and is actually very against it. When watching the show, people need to realize that even though some of the characters might have the same names or dress the same as the original Scooby Doo characters, these characters are NOT the Scooby Doo characters. They all have completely different personalities and interests and flaws to the original Scooby Doo gang. I think if people watch with that mindset, they’d be a lot more open minded when watching. That being said, the dialogue is… interesting. It makes all the characters seem annoying and horrible, at best boring and shallow. They don’t feel realistic at all. While I understand it’s a cartoon and things are more dramatized for effect, there still needs to be some type of human connection to pull the audience in. And for this show, there just isn’t. I feel nothing for any of the characters. I can’t even hate them because I just don’t care enough. With all that being said, I’m going to at least finish the season. I want to see what they do with the plot. It’s not entirely captivating since the characters can overshadow it, but I think the premise could be way more appealing in a different context. I want to see if I can actually look forward to seeing what happens next. I would say, don’t bash it til you’ve seen it. It’s problematic at times and just misguided in some ways but I think if it was done differently in any capacity, it could’ve really been something. I want to see if it can be redeemed by the end of the first season.
Actually it does make sense to call Shaggy a black stoner. They made the character people joke about being a stoner black and had him constantly say he hates stoners.
hey, what did you think of the ending? I liked how they revealed the mysteries and the easter eggs that were placed, I think that in the second season they can actually evolve the series and decrease the amount of dull jokes that the first one has
If the show wasn't related to Scooby Doo then it's totally fine.
Most of the criticism I've seen for the show on the parts of social media I lurk on is the fact that the main characters are very ooc compared to their characterisation in any other piece of scooby doo media, in particular Fred. Like yeah Fred can have a bit of a ego in certain shows or movies but he's never been a straight up bigot. It feels like they're just trying to make these characters into 'edgy' versions of the original characters but only by having them be assholes.
"Guys my mom is missing" lmao that ad makes me laugh
oh haiiii thank u for the shoutout rumi!!
ofc stink !! 🫶🏾
The art style is pretty cute however I got some “not like other girls” vibes from this show. Definitely made it hard to watch.
I also agree with all the points in your video. I find it sad that people will hate on a show for the single reason that a character has been changed to add diversity.
I do think it’s sort of funny that what feels like the whole internet hates this show.
South Asian viewer here, and after watching the first episode I could see this show for what it truly was - a vehicle for Mindy and the writers to put out their own agendas and ideas under the name of humour and apparently 'representation'. We need better writers and producers writing better examples of apparent 'representation' than these guys. Truly atrocious and I'm glad it got the backlash it recieved.
Even though I haven't watched the show yet, I nonetheless appreciate their inclusion of a dark skin goth black girl (Gigi) who wears a black hairstyle. The representation means a lot.
Honestly, I agree with you, the show isn't the best but it's really getting hated on for some of the worst reasons...
It's not funny and it's a lot of crying and racism so it's got hate for good reason
@@grant1739 Oh, no, I agree with all of that, The show is absolutely horrid. I mean some of the hate isn't for a good reason. Some people simply hate it because they made some of the characters POC.
@@zer8109 thank you!!! The show is crap, yea! But, let’s be honest.. is Mindy really off?? You go on TikTok you can’t even talk to anyone without them either yelling, “I go by it/is/They!!! You disrespected me!! I hate you all!!.” Like I’ve literally been cussed out by people for saying, “bro.” In a comment.. and I call everyone bro! scroll up, someones talking bad about some, “wyte cisgender man..” and the comments are like, “yeah! Eff these Mayo monkey men!!” like honestly.. I’m sure Mindy sees these same exact TikTok’s and felt like her show would be relatable.
I no longer watch TikTok for the reason of toxicity of gender, masculinity, and feminism war..I care for my HEALTH. And most people are mad because this show bashes Wyte people. Which wytes been bashing Asians for YEARS!! Now it’s not funny? Like hypercritical much?? They’re mad since she’s an ethnic woman, they can’t be funny. We seen this with Superwoman who is also Indian. So this makes me feel… perhaps they write this way, because this is how they really feel.. and wanna make an outlet.. is it okay? No. Because, it’s done out of hate. And self insecurities. Wyte people don’t owe us shxt! Could have been better without even giving them their attention they desperately wanted.
And I keep seeing people say this show is “tokenism,” and I agree. But, it’s hard to create a whole new show starting with the lead being Indian. Which is why I think they chose, “Velma,” so people can detach the Indian from her. But, when they realized it was really from an Indian perspective they were like, “nope we out.”
As per usual, I agree with your takes on the show. I’m most interested in the mystery of her mom and the murders of the town. I feel like we finally got some interesting development on it in episodes 5 & 6.
I can empathize with Mindy Kaling as a black girl just because I’m pretty sure she’s grown up used to being the only Indian/South Asian in the room and she is a dark skinned woman in that community. The colorism, racism, feeling like or being treated as a token; not to mention the pressure of representing a whole community when you just want to be a comedic writer. I feel like because of her experience is why her obvious self insert characters come off as the “pick me” poc type
Welp, she pretty much shot her own foot with the show since many folks would now consider "Written/Produced by Mindy Kaling" a red flag
I don't care about her problems or anyone else's problems the show is racist and it's not funny lol
@@shigermuleye5203 never said there wasn’t more to the story everyone has layers; not sure how you equate me empathizing with one part of her life as dehumanizing, but I hoped you stretched before such a reach 🙄
She is Asian
@@bushdenaemy friend, she literally forced someone to make out with her because of her power!😡
1:35 why was that impression so good? 😂
bc im a storm reid STANN
@@imuRgency This didn't have to be a Velma show. Mindy Kaling original shows are good on their own. This could've been inspired by mystery gang but essentially been like its own thing criticizing the tropes.
im screaming cause u put a spoiler alert for something you already put on the screen lmaooooooo good video still!!
LMAO
Norvell is Shaggys name is the old show, its mentionedback in the 1968 first season, and a couple of times in the 1980s, but it was rarely used. Peoplestarted calling him Shaggy at Woodstock, accordingto the original cannon and he just used that after. Its actually a good nod to a not well known fact about Shaggy, that they are using his real name.
Plus Gigi is a character from the 1980s, who only appears a few times. She was a hippie who Shaggy was dating in the 1980s episodes. So it's nice to see them bring in some old not well known side characters as well.
The show is full of endless Easter egg nods to the past like that. I like that they did that.
And something i haven't seen any youtuber mention yet, is Scooby-Doo is in fact in every episode. You have to play Where's Waldo to find him, hidden as an easter egg in the background, but so far, I've found him in all the first 6 episodes.
And I like the people of colour and LGBTQAI additions. If you go back to an old interview from the 1980s writers, they said they wanted it to be Velma likes Daphne, Daphne likes Fred, Fred like Shaggy, and Shaggy was asexul, so all the characters were originally intended to be LGBTQAI but TV producers wouldn't allow it. So, I'm glad to see that original intent is finally being allowed.
For the most part, I actually like the show. I just don't like the crass over sexualization of minors that it is also doing.
Unless Scooby is somehow the killer, he’s not going to be in it. 😂🤣
clicked so incredibly fast! 😭😭 i was waiting for you to give your take omg!
Hope you enjoyed it!
@@imuRgency always!
Same
"who is this for?!" in the thumbnail
Is the exact same thought i had about 10min into the first ep. The political lean of it seems to be in every direction 😬
Honestly, the disconnect between the original gang alone was enough for me to not like Velma. Fred and Daphne were way nicer and smarter and more cohesive with Velma than this spin-off.
its a really common trend for movies, shows, music and video games to try and appeal to everyone. when you do that, at best, you'll have an o.k., forgettable product for a large audience. but if you have a target audience, then you actually have a chance at making something people will love. something that can have a real impact. but that's a risk and the majority of these studios are scared to take risks.
There are high quality media that aim for everyone, and when they do well they become widely beloved classics like the early Disney movies. What they need to be made is talented writers, a simple plot, and a studio that is willing to take risks.
Besides that I agree with you.
Velma is so manipulative and unfunny, it’s torture to watch the show fr
Her character is mean and selfish but just like you said so was davie. I think the difference is the supporting characters don’t call her out enough and that’s what is missing. Episode five was better in terms of supporting characters but Velma just got meaner. I’m sorry but Gossip Girl getting canceled and we have this trash is very alarming. At least it was getting good where as Velma is getting worst
Yeah I was shocked it got cancelled too. Then I was REALLY shocked after that to see a show like Velma getting aired in its place.
Wednesday was good. A palate cleanser after this (although I honestly though Velma had finished with Episode 8 and when I found out I was literally FML!)
Featuring a detective in a reinvention of a much loved IP focusing on a central female character who is self centred and mean (and manipulative) and totally thinks she is better than everyone else and is solving a Mystery. But it works, perhaps because at least we get some glimmer of under the surface humanity, eventually she DOES totally get called out for her BS, and she is not an out of control, histrionic monster...
Love your vids Lol the way you say a spoiler before saying a spoiler sends me😂😂😂
I feel bad because you can tell that the animators & production crew worked hard on it..... but everything else about it is just so :-S
That's absolutely fair, and maybe they had to make compromises due to the IP or producer notes. But at the end of the day, its a hot mess, and I have to admit part of me, the bit interested in how TV or movies comes together is fascinated to know why, and what was Intended...
I’m okay with it if you look at it just like family guy mean spirited humor it’s okay. The animation is freaking good though!!
yeah it’s one of those “our main characters are unlikable” shows they’re really either hit or misses for most people
I do food reviews on my RUclips channel while i smokė weed broskie
exactly, it has the quality of a normal adult cartoon, it's really not that bad
But Scooby Doo was never a show with MEAN main characters. It should never have been put under the SD name bc it's like the anti-SD. It should have been its own show with fresh characters instead of coat tail riding a classic franchise, BUT they probably knew they'd get zero audience eyeballs unless they used nostalgia points to get them to tune in bc the scripts are weak af.
@@mandymcnalis7551 bffr. the “it should have been something completely different” is such a dumb argument because then y’all would call it a ripoff. it’s a spinoff and a reimagining. literally HOW are you mad that it’s too different????? they’ve never made scooby doo for adults before, it can be as different as it wants. weirdo
As a long time fan of animation in general, it’s wild to me that Venture Brothers got canceled and *THIS* got greenlit.
And don’t get me wrong, parts of the Venture Brothers have aged pretty poorly and at first I understood why studios didn’t want to take the risk of picking it up after they got dropped by Adult Swim.
But then *VELMA* came out and it seems clear to me that they’re still more about marketability than quality representation and actually good dark humor.
At this point I trust those nerdy white boys behind Venture Brothers to actually evolve and recognize past failings waayyyy more than I trust Mindy Kaling to stick the landing
It doesn't help that Jackson Publick and Doc Hammer were so committed to the craftsmanship behind VB that it became unprofitable. I'm honestly amazed that AS let them keep it going for as long as they did.
Shows like Velma will always be more appealing to studios looking to make a cheap buck from people's outrage, unfortunately.
The shows just feels so badly scripted and written it feels like it was like this on purpose with the intention of bad talk.
Either way I- just can’t believe they really thought this was good
0:07 I CAN’T BREATHE SOMEONE GET ME MY INHALER
I heard someone say that it was made just to be controversial and get views only by being controversial. Which makes a lot of sense....
And I was abt to watch the show☠️ I think I’m still gonna give it a chance though😭
def do!!!
This is the best nonpartisan video based on this show I've seen, Awesome Job!
If y’all liked this I highly suggest watching LavenderTowne’s rewrite and redraw of the characters. It’s really good (and shortish)
To answer the "who it's for" question. It's written for the ever growing group of younger people who crave to be victimized. And will make any excuse to turn someone else into a villain for them to "stand up against"
If someone makes a video of 2010’s Velma beating 2023’s Velma’s ass, I’ll subscribe and love it
The show gives me whiplash. Sometimes it feels like it was written by an incel. In general, it just feels really bitter and I can't get any enjoyment out of it. There are genuine criticisms to be made, but "RACESWAPPING IS BAD" is not one of them. Been playing a game of seeing how long it takes for some reviewers to show their true colors with their commentary on the representation. Thank you for making a video that actually thoughtfully looks at why the show isn't working for most people.
Honestly props to the animators, you can tell how much effort they put into it despite being such a shitty story that they have no control over.
I feel like what they did to Fred was just an excuse to make fun of people with learning disabilitlies, thats right I said what everone was thinking
velma feels like parody about everything ''woke''. all the ''woke'' stuff has turned to max so much it can not be other than some wierd parody that random person has uploaded to youtube or something like that
im so done w Mindy whatever her last name is, it gives us bad rep
Ya Know this show reminds me of the like the She-Hulk hate because when that show came out people were so pissed and yeah the show isn’t perfect. But it’s like way too much to be getting anger at. This is not the worst thing in the world, there are much worst things out there with it comes to animation. I feel like most people forget that fact.
Somehow this show is getting a season…bruh i just don’t understand
The contract probably specified 2 seasons initially and more pending ratings and contract negotiations.
We appreciate your honest insights. Velma is a hit as well as a miss show for some people.
I think People like Caitlin Jenner are the target audience 😂😂
Velma being written as bi in this show as opposed to a lesbian which she canonically is feels like erasure and a way to get her with Mindy Kaling’s fictional white guy of the month
Wdym by that? Velma dated guys as well
This is so true
I would have no idea that Daphne was supposed to be Asian if people didn't keep saying so.
Thank you for waiting for more episodes like I didn’t know if I should or not watch it! I love your review it was soooo GOOD! Thanks like it’s so nice to see someone be so real and down to earth in there review and not so enraged it’s uncomfortable. I’m planning to watch it tonight thanks! (I will edit it with my take after I’m done)
It’s like they tried to turn the gang from Scooby Doo into the gang from Its Always Sunny but forgot to include everything about Its Always Sunny that makes it work as both a comedy and a satire.
Instead of laughing at how much of a bunch of assholes the main cast are and how the consequences of their own actions come back to bite them you’re just watching a bunch of assholes be mean and hateful. It’s pretty uncomfortable to watch at times imo.
As indian man from India 🇮🇳 I don't consider myself as south asian !!!! I am asian and my country shares border with China 🇨🇳
For me, I hate the unoriginal way of going about being "inclusive". I'd rather there be new characters for whatever identity they're adding instead of changing everything about a show we all loved.
Yes! It just ends up feeling so lazy
@@danarodz3275 That’s racist. You’re saying POC are lazy?? Don’t associate that word with characters of color.
These characters skin color is NOT integral to their story. Their race can be interchangeable unless it’s tied into the story. Unless you hold a certain race higher than the other???
@Get down on it I don't hold any race higher than another. We are all humans trying to make it day to day. It's insulting to POC to not get their own stories don't you think? They're only getting hand-me-downs from white characters.
@@getdownonit8753 See, the problem with this argument is that it can be used for whitewashing as well. There are instances when anime gets a live action and they cast a white person for the main character (ex. Ghost In The Shell, Death Note, etc.) even though the character is originally Asian. So imo, the “race isn’t tied to the story” argument isn’t a strong argument because it can be used to “justify” whitewashing that happens to POC characters whose races don’t impact the story.
T1J has a video called “Should Black Actors Play White Roles?” which dives into this topic more. Changing the race of a white character does not have the impact that whitewashing a POC character has. Western media is dominated by white characters so changing their race to POC would not really impact “white representation” overall. Meanwhile whitewashing a POC character would take away from the minimalistic POC representation that exists. That’s the real problem imo and not the fact that “race doesn’t impact the story”.
I’m still watching the show even though it has a lot of hate on it also Velma is like S1 Ginny from G&G
oh it’s def here to stay w all this publicity
@@imuRgency agree u should do the Harley Quinn series next
oh great googly moogly INDEED baby. Not them making scooby into SCOOBI not even a funny or smart homage. Don’t know why or what I expected
remember the hate train people had for batwoman and once it died down the interest in the show went with it? thats exactly what's gonna happen with this show. It'll eat itself alive eventually
For the people who are confused why everybody hates the show Velma (2023):
1. For Velma and Daphne, they both were fighting like they’re enemies now.
2. For Fred, a lot people saw him and said he’s gay.
3. For Scooby, the show replaced him with a black human girl named Gigi and she’s like the new Scooby but more different.
4. I noticed the scene where Daphne and Velma were kissing like they’re lesbian.
5. And people asked “What they done to my boy Shaggy?”. I heard this question a lot about why he’s black and haves different hair.
6. The Mystery Machine was also mentioned where it was white and not its original. So some people said that even the van is ruined.
Like Daphne and Velma should’ve been a couple just keeping with the original story. But the way they are playing Fred is what rubs me the wrong way, I get that Fred can be an asshole sometimes but he at least thinks about the whole team while solving these mysteries. I just wish the writing was done better.
NOT GREAT GOOGILY MOOGILY IN THE FIRST 5 SECONDS ILYSB
I know MANY people aren’t going to like what I say but I genuinely think this show was just made for ppl who don’t dgaf. And when I say that I mean ppl who aren’t bothered by the way other ppl live their life like, gay, trans, black, white, etc like people who are actually IN THE REAL WORLD. No cancel culture bs (I’m talking abt canceling ppl for literally nothing) all that. Like this shows humor kinda reminds me of the scary movie series in a way ( not EXACTLY alike) but they were able to say “offensive” jokes without making it offensive if that makes sense 😭and I kinda see that with Velma. I’m black personally so I cannot speak on the Indian representation bc that does not involve me but what I will say is y’all have to remember how Mindy grew up…she was NEVER treated or seen as beautiful growing up and it was only til she got older she realized. And we see in a lot of shows these characters getting bad representation or not loving themselves bc of their race…Now let’s connect how mindy grew up…FAMILIAR RIGHT? I feel she’s trying to write abt her past experiences and show she was seen but while also trying to make it relatable and funny…and she’s missed on a few occasions but Velma honestly had given me a few giggles
the only velma video I'm willing to watch
“Origin story”…
So Velma and norville do a Michael Jackson with their skin?
If WBD doesn’t try why should I?
I really just don't like how Velma is casted as ugly and how Mindy and whoever she works with has a history of portraying brown girls that way, like if the hot girls can be so diverse, why does Velma have to be ugly. It just seems like self hate and internalized racism and I don't think it's healthy representation for brown girls to be shown as undesirable.
550: I freaking HATE the show! WTF were they thinking? It’s the worst thing of 2023! It’ll never be loved, never. I love the original, thank you very much
Wen u put Mindy's pic on I was like damn the animators really got her as Velma really well. Velma is literally her visually maybe even mentally just saying
My least favorite part of the show (there’s a lot I don’t like) is that it is so mean spirited without justifying it with say, good characterization. I’d be happy to watch a terrible character, especially in animation which is a slept on medium for adult demographics, but this show actively makes fun of people and acts like it’s right.
Also it doesn’t try anything new. It falls into the same pitfalls as almost all contemporary adult tv shows except for like a good few.
Screw this! Watch Invincible it has a wayyy better mystery
This show sucks it tried too hard to be funny and unique which is wat made it fail
I love this show. There is og van from Scooby Doo van there but not painted. Literally Fred painted it. At the end he is owning it. And there is a scene where Velma Daphne and Fred are getting away from killer like in the Scooby Doo series. Them running everywhere. And I laugh mamy times. And the case is so great.
Why make an innocent Saturday morning kids' show into something "edgy"? If Kaling and Grandy wanted to do an adult cartoon, that's fine, but why screw around with a kiddie thing?
that turtleneck is something else bud, way to pull that shit off.
This vid is 2 weeks old.
The season ended a week ago.
Feels like this show has been running for months. Anyone else share that sentiment?
I’m just sick of rebooting old shows/movies with POC characters. It’s just lazy.
As a POC, so am I.
I love your personality. I clicked the “here before 200K” button ❤. You are way more entertaining than what Velma seems like it will be, but I still want to see it for myself. Everyone is telling me I will regret this. Especially since I personally hate TV. I’m just. So. *CuriouS*. though.
I love the show, love the reinvention of the characters and I love all the works of mindy Kayling .
Been waiting for your opinion on this !!!
could you please review "la flor mas bella"? I enjoyed that show a lot except for the love circle thing lolll, that was a lil annoying.
Thing is, its not so much "they changed it so its sucks" , or race lifts that make this so hateable with the people who DON'T enjoy being outraged at perceived wokeism in modern pop culture.
It, that this is more of a mean spirited joke AT Scooby Do fan's expense, or at least its for people who watched Scooby as kids, vaguely remember it and its idiosyncratic silliness but are not fans as such so can laugh at the "adult" swipes at it.
If someone were a genuine fan, or has genuine affection for Scooby Doo this evisceration of the characters, and premise mixed would be horrible to see.
Its also shocking how unlikeable Velma is, and as the show progresses she gets worse. Even less sympathetic becoming petty, manipulative, deceitful, possessive and petulant. Whereas Daphne (and to a lesser degree Norvill, and to a tiny one Fred) become more sympathetic, or even likeable.
Lastly the race thing. Looking at the show, not really knowing who the actors are and the art style, its quite far in that I learned Velma was asian not black and Daphne I would never have guessed she was asian if not for reviews. I mean the art style offers no clue, at least not one I noticed.
Agreed! This was a fair critique!
Thanks for including that clip of Storm Reid. I didn't get it at first.
This is for mindy and only mindy I feel like it really shows what type of person she is and her views on alot of things. Also it's spoonfeeding us wokeness and over preachyness
Literally GiGi is the only positive of the show. She's the only grounded person
I rlly don’t get who it’s for either. It’s not for ppl who like scooby doo but it uses the scooby doo cast .
I think that the target audience is Mindy Kaling.
Very solid analysis. I would say personally the mystery itself kept me entertained and I know some people hate the constant references to Scooby-Doo but I enjoyed them and I also enjoyed the other references to other hana barbara shows. I also didn't hate the self-referential humor and the show kind of just sets up my expectations for it in the first two episodes. So I guess because I don't expect it to be anything different than that, it doesn't piss me off