Can we also appreciate how stunning Rose McGowan looks in this episode? Her hair, makeup and all her outfits in this episode - she looks absolutely gorgeous. Makes me miss her strawberry blonde look!
One of my favorite scenes in this ep. is when Chris and Grams are arguing and Grams says, "Are you giving me lip?" and he just goes, o.O "No." I think Chris' reaction is hilarious and very reminiscent of the reaction any great grandson might have to being told off by his great grandma when he forgets who he's talking to and needs a reminder. It's a nice little clue the writers gave us about who Chris really was before the reveal in ep. 14.
Its so refreshing to see someone who has Paige as their favorite sister. She is mine too but i seriously thought i was crazy when people disagreed with me on it! Everyone i know says Piper and i do like her too.
I just think it's great that you'll always get a different answer whenever you ask a favourite sister. Prue fans tend to be especially vocal but it seems everyone is balanced
My favorite used to be Phoebe when I first watched the show as a kid, then it became Piper as I got older, and now lately it has been Paige. Probably because she is the most like me, and I have a special affinity towards characters I can relate to. Even right down to the social worker aspect. Paige is underrated in my opinion ❤
I love this episode, too! "Have you tried talking to the slime?" Best line!!! And, yes, Leo is a bit of a creep. He watched over the girls since they were babies, and then married one of them.
Makes the Elders look slightly better. Perhaps they didn't want them to be together because they thought it was icky that Leo wanted to sleep with a lady he's known since she was a baby
Tbf, he also knew that he had dated her in a past life, which makes it slightly less creepy. I just wish he wouldn't mention that he'd been watching them since they were babies lol
The sun-god moment is BRILLIANT and hysterical for me too lmao! Also LOVED Chris!! Both hilarious (some of the BEST faces and reactions) and intriguing. His character helped me heal from the disastrous end of Cole.
When you said "Clearly the worst fashion era was..." we said "the 80s" in tandem. And I love that for us. Also, always loved this episode. And, personally, find the fashion of the 60s so much fun.
Funny, we always thought the 70s was the worst fashion decade. If anything, we thought the 80s was an improvement! I enjoy a lot of 60s fashion! Everything from early 60s circle skirts to weskits to bellbottoms and jumpsuits. I love collecting vintage sewing patterns and catalogs so it's fun to see what fashion was like for the everyday person then.
I didn't even know this episode had hate I figured cause it's well made and it's so fun that people either just liked it or were kinda neutral about it at least that was my experience with people who had seen it. Whatever I love this episode but I think a big reason for that was I watched it with my mom and the seventies were her era so she had a lot of fun stories to tell while watching it with me and would tell me when they got the clothes or sayings wrong which was a lot of fun.✌️☮️
Yeah I think the assumed continuity issues got a lot of people annoyed. I remember the message boards where everyone hated it for those reasons or for being a comedy episode
Now that you've nicely cleared up the seeming continuity issues, I don't feel as bad of a compunction for saying that this was one of my favorite episodes. (Note, I'm a trained historian, so continuity bothered me, but not now, lol.)
Chris' reaction to the sun god comment is all the more funny b/c at this stage he knows what everyone else doesn't, that he is Leo & Piper's child which adds a whole other level of funny when he finds out Leo was a bit of a dog.
FIRST: I love how informative you are with behind-the-scenes facts in your facts especially in this one because this is one episode like Season 8’s MALICE IN WONDERLAND that I never payed much vivid attention to so I appreciate this review. SECOND: I love how you ended the video with Leo saying goodnight to Wyatt calling him the 60’s nickname while displaying the 60’s blanket. Please Oh Please do a review of BECOMING or SURPRISE/INNONCE from Buffy please please pretty please. 🤓
I did enjoy this episode, but because they didn't clarify Penny's or Patty's ages in the past, it did confuse me when I thought about it too hard lol, but 35 and 16 make sense.
Yes - I never realised that until this video! Grams had Patty when she was 20, but for a woman born in 1930 that was a common age to give birth to your first child.
This episode is a lot of fun! It is very theme park version of the 60s as you said, but it didn’t bother me too much since it was a lighter episode anyway that was mostly using the period as set dressing. That’s actually really interesting that this is the last appearance of a warlock in the show. And also the last appearance of levitating Phoebe. With them removing powers due to budget cuts, you’d think they would want to make more villains the normal human appearing ones as opposed to the otherworldly demons lol.
Lmao this video was the first time I caught it, so damn funny 🤣 I love it when actors stay in character in scenes like that when they have no dialogue ❤
I cant believe ppl hate this episode. One of my favorites focusing on grams along with the episode about her and the necromancer. I always wondered where their “aunt” gale was in this episode tho because in the episode about her she was apart of grams coven as a young woman and they were allegedly childhood besties!
I love Witchstock! I pop it on every time I have a bad day, or need something fun and silly to watch. Do I take everything in it for canon? Nope. But that doesn't mean I can't enjoy many aspects of it. As with all things fandom, you need to cherry pick what's groovy for you, and disregard what isn't.
I love your references to other movies or pop culture in general! Please never stop doing it ❤ PS: is your friend Nathan single? asking for a friend...
There's a lot of hoop jumping to justify this episode's existence, how about it's just a fun episode shining a light on a character who didn't get the spotlight she deserved? Great episode/review!
That might have been the joke or Eilish might have gone "she needs something that won't look out of place in 1967" and didn't read the script too much lol
Love this episode! Also my bday is 1st August so I have it on good authority that I must be magical as my bday is right between Paige the superwitch and a rather popular wizard hehe.
I personally enjoyed this episode but I can also understand the criticism about the continuity. Also with people looking back on their youth, there’s already nostalgia about the early 00s, which makes me feel a little old 😂
yea,, i don’t get the hate - this eppy is a load of fun // it’s always charming to see how Charmed covers certain time periods, eras and historical events - i enjoyed this “nearly out in the open”, collective, psychospiritual and coven-like approach to Charmed-universe witches operating in the Summer of Love it’s interesting to know now that the Penny storyline was meant for Mama P - i would have liked to see that bond deepen between Paige and her bio mother, but i also agree that adapting this story around Penny dimensionalized the Grams character more // i LOVED seeing Penny’s character in an extremely vulnerable position, undergoing a transformation and i liked seeing the actors work the balance of Penny’s warmth, openness, support, motivations of love, warrior spirit and we even get to see Grams be humorously hands-off in a battle what’s the problem with that?¡
@@BetterWithBobif you ever do a break from Charmed and decide to do another Buffy video, I really really really really hope it is a video on either SURPRISE/INNOCENCE or BECOMING.
I enjoyed this review of the episode, but I have to disagree about who the strongest sister is. If you go back through all the episodes Piper is the strongest sister and takes out the most bad guys with her powers alone, not to mention how steady under fire she was after she became the oldest sister. I love all the sisters to varying degrees and Phoebe will always be my favorite, but if I ever needed a charmed one to protect me or to get advice from, it would be Piper.
As someone who's always been a sucker for 70's and 60's music and aesthetic ever since I was a kid I feel I'm a little biased with my love for this episode.
You once again have managed changed my mind on an episode I wasn’t a fond of. I always thought it was a fun episode but couldn’t get over the continuity issue before this lol
so in this episode, we saw that penny and leo knew each other from their younger days. but on forever charmed, when piper and leo went back to time to see grams, penny doesn't recognize leo.
I love Witchstock but thought the B plot was really cringy - now with the explanation of it being an homage to 1960s movies like the blob it makes so much more sense and adds to the episode. Thank you!
This is a fun episode because it showed Grams as something more than just some hate filled witch who despises men. I respect they gave us a more interesting backstory to Grams.
@@BetterWithBob Absolutely! All we ever know about Penny is that she raised the girls after Patty died, she drove away Victor, she doesn’t like men in the family, and she been married a million times. No backstory just tidbits of information we finally got some insight with this episode.
I guess this episode does jive with the girls' ages if you keep in mind Penny had Patty when she was 12. I'm not kidding. Check the dates on the family tree. Penny was born in 1937, and Patty 1950. That's 13 years. Less because Patty was born in April and Grams in June. So in 1967 Grams would have been 30 and Patty 17. Although the tree also said Grams died in 1963, and they never edit it at any point during the series.
Penny's birth date was retconned into 1930. The family tree in Pardon My Past is disregarded because it also says that she had two brothers and her husband's name was different
I loved this episode. I don't really like Time Travel but it was done interestingly here. I like that Leo could remember Paige visiting and Grams not (because of the potion). My favourite is where Grams (the present-ghost one) is turned into her hippie version and we can see that if she didn't become the bada$$ witch that she was, The Charmed Ones would've never came to be or would've died very early one. The Halliwell name would also not have that fear attached to it if it wasn't for Grams. GRAMS IS AWESOME!!!!! (except for how she treated Wyatt in the beginning)
I really enjoy that episode, but I'm bugged by some inaccuracies and I don't mean the various continuity issues. First of all, the spell that brought Paige back to the 60's shouldn't been working after Gram's death. Secondly, the girls couldn't use their powers, because they were in the past. However, Piper managed to cast a spell, which should have been impossible. Also, the warlock is able to freeze good witches, but since season 1 we know that good witches don't freeze. Last but not least, white lighters hook up with witches and mortals, whereas there's a big rule against it.
My head canons are: *The binding spell was only undone on Grams's death because she put something in that spell specifically to have that happen - say she and Patty were killed while they were still children, she'd want them to be able to defend themselves. So all other spells are still intact even after she dies. *The sisters' active powers don't exist in the past, but they are still witches, so they're able to cast spells with an incantation. Both Phoebe and Piper seem unsure if it'll work but they try it at least. They're able to tap into the magic of their family line whenever they time travel, as long as it exists in the time they go to (they couldn't in All Halliwell's Eve because Melinda wasn't born yet) *The Charmed power of freezing doesn't work on good witches. The warlock's power was different, and we've seen beings like the Avatars and Angel of Destiny able to freeze time indefinitely and work on good witches. Robin must have accounted for that somehow *I suppose if you think about how big the world is in general, the Elders have a lot to watch over, so they can't be completely omnipresent. The Summer of Love lasted basically just a year or so, so Leo might have gotten away with it without being caught
could you do a video on run piper run at some stage? its one of the better episodes of series 8, particularly for billie fans. I love when they put Leo in dodgy wigs. Not on the level of the spikes he had in the season 6 finale but still amazingly bad.
This is one of my favorite episodes and I still don't understand why it is hated. Penny is played by a different actress yes, but if you portray the past there has to be some cutoff date where the usual actress would look too old so that's not really a reason. Yes I always thought they goofed Patty's age in this episode but only because I never really knew her actual age, when I found out she was 16 at the time the issue resolved itself
It's disliked largely because it's obvious this was meant to be an episode about Patty, not Penny. Penny came of age in the 1940s and was already a wife and mother by 1950 when she had Patty. Patty it would make sense be a bit of a flower child when she was 20, and pregnant with Prue. The episode is frothy and funny, but knowing that Penny was swapped for Patty makes it a bit harder to enjoy at times. One thing this and the season 2 episode "Pardon My Past" have in common is that magic was practiced openly at the Manor, and it's never explained why.
@@MegaMagicdog A difference between Pardon my Past and this one is that here there are only witches in the manor and they only practise magic inside meaning nothing would get exposed. Is there proof that the past portion would have been set during Patty's pregnancy with Prue? As ot stands now it makes marginally more sense for Witchstock to be about Penny (imo) because Patty was 16 at the time.
@@elecrom_9757 In Pardon My Past we don't know if any of the speakeasy clients were magical folk- it seemed as if they were not. Mysticism was popular at the time so I wouldn't have an issue with people who were interested in it to seek out a drink, get portraits taken by Past Prue and get their fortunes told by Past Phoebe. At least one guest was aware of placing curses on people, so that's also possibly something else to include. As mentioned in this video, this story was meant to feature Patty. It makes much more sense for a teenage girl (and as Finola Hughes played her, she was a sweet and quiet woman for the most part) naive to life's shortcomings to get swept up in the hippy dippy movement and have a friend like Robin who would ultimately betray her (ever know someone who got close to you just so they could get something of yours?). The character would have given birth to Prue around 1970 (per Prue's headstone) so she should have been dating or preparing to marry Victor and participating in the party at the Manor. FTR, the Summer of love was 1967, so Patty would have been 17.
So Grams look like this in 1967 and like an Middle Aged woman 8 years later in 1975 (1x17). Pure is supposed to be born in 1970 so patty is going to get pregnant in 2 years…
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I am personally not a fan of this episode. It just doesn't make sense for it to have been a young Penny. She was much older in the 70s episode, which in the timeline, is just a few years later. Prue is born in 1970, so for them to establish that she needed to be dropped off at her aunts house, made no sense. Then there is the matter of witchcraft being out in the open. Penny still only being on her first marrige. Penny was born in the 20s.
The demonic slime fed on magic period, not just whitelighter orbs I thought. That’s why it was lured out when Phoebe levitated, no? I should also say I appreciate the time, resources, and research you do for your videos. Especially when bringing in other influences in the media, like the blob. That movie scared me as a kid lol. Also, Leo is TOTALLY a creep. They either forget how he has been around the family in a past life or as a white lighter and somehow fell in love with Piper? Despite in a past life being her former lover? Possibly relative maybe? And then with Grams in the 60s, inferred they hooked up maybe? Idk just sooo bad
You have to remember that past lives do not actually look the same as the current live and that the elders might not have a way to check a soul if it's reincarnated from someone that interacted with the family before. The only thing that is weird in this episode is that the elders are allowing whitelighters to have a party but maybe the management was more lax back then^^
It seems silly to head canon this but perhaps the Elders thought the whitelighters would be good to have at the magical be in as some protection/help in case evil attacked
@@elecrom_9757 not true though. Leo tells Piper the elders show them their past lives when they become whitelighters. Her tells her this in Pardon my Past. I’m just trying to figure out the timeline because it doesn’t make sense. That takes place in the 20s? How long was that life lived before he entered the world as Leo and went to the war to die? And then became a whitelighter to be around grams in the 60s?
Good episode, except for the time line. In 1976 Patty was a mom with 2 kids and pregnant with a third but less than 10 years earlier she was a young girl and kept off camera. No way is Patty 24 in 1976. But I agre Jennifer Rhodes knocked it out of the park.
@@susanstorm7910Prue probably would’ve been very powerful had she not been killed. However, I don’t understand why people mention her when this topics comes up. Yes Prue was a Charmed one but she passed away. The latter Charmed Ones were PIPER, PHOEBE, AND PAIGE. So when the discussion of who’s most powerful comes up the focus should be those 3 (in my opinion)
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After she joins, the Power of Three becomes even stronger. They're able to vanquish the Source, they can conjure spirits who become corporeal and their powers progress even faster. The other sisters were only witches, whereas Paige gets powers from that and her whitelighter side. She gets two sets of powers. And she's able to avoid things like the Stillman Sisters' spell, which gives her a level of protection.
@@BetterWithBob but like the og charmed ones never faced the source face to face if shannen hadnt left the show they props would have been able to since they alr knew the spirits spell and the reason i say prue is stronger than paige is becuase prues powers r advanced while paige powers mainly come from orbing so tecnically the og trio and prue is stronger than her and prue can basically copy her sisters powers but not exactly
Where's Alison Pregler? She hates this show...and this episode. "Grandma Ghost...the big man hater..." "Sexed up. HIPPIE. LEO. oh boy..HIPPIE. LEO." "They got him talking in the third person!"
This episode witch-stock it was very interesting that to go back to the 60s similar to the 70s or the 80s but I feel like they should have explain The time period in a different way if they want to tell the backstory about Penny but their mother Patty they should have chose a younger cast to play a groovy girl back in the 60s similar to the 70s and the 80s Their family tree needs to be fixed to know who is related to them and who resembles them mostly because Allen he said that page looks like his own sister so there has to be an exclamation why could their grandfather could be also a magical person that was not explain it’s a mystery so my theory is Patty her father Allen He is the leader of the hippies so he has to have some connection with magic 🪄 🔮 And why haven’t they chosen a younger cast The age of 16 to play their mother patty
I never noticed Chris' reaction to Paige calling Leo "sun god", that is so good lmao
He's now wondering if Piper is REALLY his mother lol
Can we also appreciate how stunning Rose McGowan looks in this episode? Her hair, makeup and all her outfits in this episode - she looks absolutely gorgeous. Makes me miss her strawberry blonde look!
Yep 100%
Strawberry blonde was always my favorite!
She used to be so beautiful.
One of my favorite scenes in this ep. is when Chris and Grams are arguing and Grams says, "Are you giving me lip?" and he just goes, o.O "No." I think Chris' reaction is hilarious and very reminiscent of the reaction any great grandson might have to being told off by his great grandma when he forgets who he's talking to and needs a reminder. It's a nice little clue the writers gave us about who Chris really was before the reveal in ep. 14.
Ah yes and since this was after Holly's pregnancy (she found out Sword & the City I believe) they could start nodding to it properly
I loved this episode because any time Grams is in the show, it's a fun time. Love Jennifer Rhodes.
She's exquisite
To be fair to Leo, Pheobe flirted with him, not the other way around. He was clearly only smitten with Piper while being polite to Pheobe.
Quoting Kate Beckinsale in Love & Friendship:
"Facts are horrid things" 😅
Its so refreshing to see someone who has Paige as their favorite sister. She is mine too but i seriously thought i was crazy when people disagreed with me on it! Everyone i know says Piper and i do like her too.
Piper is my favorite but Paige is definitely a close second! I really love the Paige years of charmed.
I just think it's great that you'll always get a different answer whenever you ask a favourite sister. Prue fans tend to be especially vocal but it seems everyone is balanced
@Hi-jw7oq : Paige is my favorite too :) , well second favorite after Prue, but my favorite nonetheless :) ! .
She's my fave too 😊
My favorite used to be Phoebe when I first watched the show as a kid, then it became Piper as I got older, and now lately it has been Paige. Probably because she is the most like me, and I have a special affinity towards characters I can relate to. Even right down to the social worker aspect. Paige is underrated in my opinion ❤
Wow we finally get to see the man(and his friends) behind the BetterWithBob voice. Cool!!! 😎
Aha I used to film myself in my old videos but I just hate working cameras
@@BetterWithBobNathan is kinda cute. What’s his IG?
I love this episode, too! "Have you tried talking to the slime?" Best line!!!
And, yes, Leo is a bit of a creep. He watched over the girls since they were babies, and then married one of them.
Hahaha yeah
Makes the Elders look slightly better. Perhaps they didn't want them to be together because they thought it was icky that Leo wanted to sleep with a lady he's known since she was a baby
This is the episode that made me go ‘maybe the Elders were right to try and get him awayyyyyy from these girls’ ngl 🤣
Tbf, he also knew that he had dated her in a past life, which makes it slightly less creepy. I just wish he wouldn't mention that he'd been watching them since they were babies lol
The sun-god moment is BRILLIANT and hysterical for me too lmao!
Also LOVED Chris!! Both hilarious (some of the BEST faces and reactions) and intriguing. His character helped me heal from the disastrous end of Cole.
When you said "Clearly the worst fashion era was..." we said "the 80s" in tandem. And I love that for us. Also, always loved this episode. And, personally, find the fashion of the 60s so much fun.
I'd highly recommend Last Night in Soho if you like that. The main character is a girl who loves 60s fashion :)
@@BetterWithBob Ooh, I'll look it up tonight! Thanks for the recommendation!
@@BetterWithBob Ohhhh and it's a psychological thriller?? One of the best types of thrillers! Thanks again!
Funny, we always thought the 70s was the worst fashion decade. If anything, we thought the 80s was an improvement! I enjoy a lot of 60s fashion! Everything from early 60s circle skirts to weskits to bellbottoms and jumpsuits. I love collecting vintage sewing patterns and catalogs so it's fun to see what fashion was like for the everyday person then.
one of the clips he showed during that time was a favorite movie of mine growing up that i had forgotten about until this video lol
I always love to see more appreciation for season 6
It's my least favourite of the seasons but still plenty of episodes I like :)
I didn't even know this episode had hate I figured cause it's well made and it's so fun that people either just liked it or were kinda neutral about it at least that was my experience with people who had seen it. Whatever I love this episode but I think a big reason for that was I watched it with my mom and the seventies were her era so she had a lot of fun stories to tell while watching it with me and would tell me when they got the clothes or sayings wrong which was a lot of fun.✌️☮️
Yeah I think the assumed continuity issues got a lot of people annoyed. I remember the message boards where everyone hated it for those reasons or for being a comedy episode
Now that you've nicely cleared up the seeming continuity issues, I don't feel as bad of a compunction for saying that this was one of my favorite episodes. (Note, I'm a trained historian, so continuity bothered me, but not now, lol.)
That made me lol
This is one of my favorite episodes! It's just pure fun, who doesn't like fun?!
Exactyl!
Chris' reaction to the sun god comment is all the more funny b/c at this stage he knows what everyone else doesn't, that he is Leo & Piper's child which adds a whole other level of funny when he finds out Leo was a bit of a dog.
FIRST: I love how informative you are with behind-the-scenes facts in your facts especially in this one because this is one episode like Season 8’s MALICE IN WONDERLAND that I never payed much vivid attention to so I appreciate this review.
SECOND: I love how you ended the video with Leo saying goodnight to Wyatt calling him the 60’s nickname while displaying the 60’s blanket.
Please Oh Please do a review of BECOMING or SURPRISE/INNONCE from Buffy please please pretty please. 🤓
I think he ends all of his 'Anatomy of an Episode' videos with the final scene from the featured episode.
@@CM-ss5peoh shi+ you’re right lol thanks
Depends on the episode but it's usually the final scene that's the best note to go out on ha
@BetterWithBob please review spin city and hyde school reunion, I'm dying to hear your opinion on Chris beating up his own dad
I did enjoy this episode, but because they didn't clarify Penny's or Patty's ages in the past, it did confuse me when I thought about it too hard lol, but 35 and 16 make sense.
Yes - I never realised that until this video! Grams had Patty when she was 20, but for a woman born in 1930 that was a common age to give birth to your first child.
And what's funny is that Patty and Penny both had their first child at the same age, since Patty would be 20 in 1970 when Prue was born
I love the look on Chris's face.
Drew Fuller learning comic timing lol
This episode is a lot of fun! It is very theme park version of the 60s as you said, but it didn’t bother me too much since it was a lighter episode anyway that was mostly using the period as set dressing. That’s actually really interesting that this is the last appearance of a warlock in the show. And also the last appearance of levitating Phoebe. With them removing powers due to budget cuts, you’d think they would want to make more villains the normal human appearing ones as opposed to the otherworldly demons lol.
This is absolutely one of my favourite episodes of the whole series. It is a fun one, even if it doesn't add much to the whole ethos of the show.
*I'm Not a huge fan of season 6 in general but love and appreciate your videos so much and the work you put into them*
Haven't watched that episode in a long time. Never noticed Drew Fuller's reaction at the end when Paige is talking to Leo.
Lmao this video was the first time I caught it, so damn funny 🤣 I love it when actors stay in character in scenes like that when they have no dialogue ❤
I cant believe ppl hate this episode. One of my favorites focusing on grams along with the episode about her and the necromancer. I always wondered where their “aunt” gale was in this episode tho because in the episode about her she was apart of grams coven as a young woman and they were allegedly childhood besties!
I love Witchstock! I pop it on every time I have a bad day, or need something fun and silly to watch. Do I take everything in it for canon? Nope. But that doesn't mean I can't enjoy many aspects of it. As with all things fandom, you need to cherry pick what's groovy for you, and disregard what isn't.
Aha! Nice use of the word 'groovy' ;)
Thank u! One of the few good(not greatestserieswise ) episodes of season 6. IMO. Yes, it was intended for Patty. Weird but fun episode .
Wooo! Another Charmed video from one of my favorite RUclipsr, Bobby!!
Awww
Woot! Thank you for bringing up the House of Halliwell Podcast!
I don't watch it that often because they haven't got to my favourite seasons yet but you get a few fun bits of BTS info
When I would watch in passing, Paige was my first favorite, then I actually started watching the show and Piper quickly became my favorite.
Ooh that's an interesting switch. I'm appreciating Piper a lot more as an adult
Yay I really love how fun this episode is and thank you for all the 60's references charmed made I had no idea of ❤
I'm sure there's probably a few I missed but you're welcome ^_^
I love your references to other movies or pop culture in general! Please never stop doing it ❤
PS: is your friend Nathan single? asking for a friend...
Spoken for, and the lady in question keeps telling him to watch The Craft, so she has excellent taste ^_^
The zoom in on Chris' face during the sun god comment oh my god
Had to be done lol
There's a lot of hoop jumping to justify this episode's existence, how about it's just a fun episode shining a light on a character who didn't get the spotlight she deserved? Great episode/review!
paige *in a mod revival outfit* : "60s were the worst fashion era" y'all didn't think this line through, did ya
That might have been the joke or Eilish might have gone "she needs something that won't look out of place in 1967" and didn't read the script too much lol
"Have you tried talking to the slime?" truly one of the funniest lines of the show.
…. People hate witchstock?
I learn new things daily
Yep there are some fans that truly hate this episode including me
I'm glad to learn that people love it lol
Love this episode! Also my bday is 1st August so I have it on good authority that I must be magical as my bday is right between Paige the superwitch and a rather popular wizard hehe.
I personally enjoyed this episode but I can also understand the criticism about the continuity. Also with people looking back on their youth, there’s already nostalgia about the early 00s, which makes me feel a little old 😂
Yeah some of the clothes and music seem to be coming back but it'll take a little longer for outright period pieces and throwbacks lol
I also love this episode, glad to know I’m not alone!
I liked this episode. It was fun,colorful and hippie grams was the cherry on top. Great video as always ❤
Shoutout to my favorite movie as a kid, “Teen Witch”. TOP THAT!!! ❤
The "I Like Boys" scene is fun to show to people 😂
yea,, i don’t get the hate - this eppy is a load of fun // it’s always charming to see how Charmed covers certain time periods, eras and historical events - i enjoyed this “nearly out in the open”, collective, psychospiritual and coven-like approach to Charmed-universe witches operating in the Summer of Love
it’s interesting to know now that the Penny storyline was meant for Mama P - i would have liked to see that bond deepen between Paige and her bio mother, but i also agree that adapting this story around Penny dimensionalized the Grams character more // i LOVED seeing Penny’s character in an extremely vulnerable position, undergoing a transformation and i liked seeing the actors work the balance of Penny’s warmth, openness, support, motivations of love, warrior spirit and we even get to see Grams be humorously hands-off in a battle
what’s the problem with that?¡
I'm not even sure if I buy the story that this was a rewritten Patty episode because I feel like it suits Penny much more
I cannot wait!
Thanking you :)
@@BetterWithBobif you ever do a break from Charmed and decide to do another Buffy video, I really really really really hope it is a video on either SURPRISE/INNOCENCE or BECOMING.
A huge continuity problem you didnt mention: The size of the book of shadows compared to Pardon my Past
Love this episode ❤ never gets old
i love the hippie movement and the fashion, i feel its been making a comeback
Yeah I have a few friends who are really bringing it back lol
I enjoyed this review of the episode, but I have to disagree about who the strongest sister is. If you go back through all the episodes Piper is the strongest sister and takes out the most bad guys with her powers alone, not to mention how steady under fire she was after she became the oldest sister. I love all the sisters to varying degrees and Phoebe will always be my favorite, but if I ever needed a charmed one to protect me or to get advice from, it would be Piper.
As someone who's always been a sucker for 70's and 60's music and aesthetic ever since I was a kid I feel I'm a little biased with my love for this episode.
You once again have managed changed my mind on an episode I wasn’t a fond of. I always thought it was a fun episode but couldn’t get over the continuity issue before this lol
Hehe thank you
I really liked this episode! Did it make the most sense? No, but it was fun.
Exactly lol
I loved this one! So fun!!!
so in this episode, we saw that penny and leo knew each other from their younger days. but on forever charmed, when piper and leo went back to time to see grams, penny doesn't recognize leo.
7:00 that clip was when Cole figured out Phoebe and Paige switched bodies so he wasn't technically flirting with Paige.
I love the word "Groovy" I wish Gen Z-ers would revive that word.🎉
I'm doing my best to bring it back. I often respond with "groovy cheeks" (bastardising a Kenan & Kel quote)
I love Witchstock but thought the B plot was really cringy - now with the explanation of it being an homage to 1960s movies like the blob it makes so much more sense and adds to the episode. Thank you!
I think that's what they were going for anyway
This is a fun episode because it showed Grams as something more than just some hate filled witch who despises men. I respect they gave us a more interesting backstory to Grams.
Yeah if this was meant to be a Patty episode I don't see how it could tell us more about her, whereas Penny needed that Spotlight
@@BetterWithBob Absolutely! All we ever know about Penny is that she raised the girls after Patty died, she drove away Victor, she doesn’t like men in the family, and she been married a million times. No backstory just tidbits of information we finally got some insight with this episode.
I guess this episode does jive with the girls' ages if you keep in mind Penny had Patty when she was 12. I'm not kidding. Check the dates on the family tree. Penny was born in 1937, and Patty 1950. That's 13 years. Less because Patty was born in April and Grams in June. So in 1967 Grams would have been 30 and Patty 17. Although the tree also said Grams died in 1963, and they never edit it at any point during the series.
Penny's birth date was retconned into 1930. The family tree in Pardon My Past is disregarded because it also says that she had two brothers and her husband's name was different
Please do a Chris character video. He's my favourite male character.
One day sure lol
*Grams would be 93 now. I'm guessing she would have been in her late 60s when she died*
68 I think 🤔
I loved this episode. I don't really like Time Travel but it was done interestingly here. I like that Leo could remember Paige visiting and Grams not (because of the potion). My favourite is where Grams (the present-ghost one) is turned into her hippie version and we can see that if she didn't become the bada$$ witch that she was, The Charmed Ones would've never came to be or would've died very early one. The Halliwell name would also not have that fear attached to it if it wasn't for Grams. GRAMS IS AWESOME!!!!! (except for how she treated Wyatt in the beginning)
Ah she learned from her mistake quickly enough so ^_^
Approx. 11.43 As a 32 year old thank you *so* much for that thought.
But seriously, I love your vids!
My parents always taught me to share so I'm sharing the pain 😉
I'm surprised we didn't get a discussion about the continuity error with sun god's age (no not Nathan, Leo).
Really fun,i wish that genuine hammy fun woith a chaaraxter plow wre making a comeback. Comedy is really suited to shockwith drama.
Sungod :P
I really enjoy that episode, but I'm bugged by some inaccuracies and I don't mean the various continuity issues.
First of all, the spell that brought Paige back to the 60's shouldn't been working after Gram's death. Secondly, the girls couldn't use their powers, because they were in the past. However, Piper managed to cast a spell, which should have been impossible. Also, the warlock is able to freeze good witches, but since season 1 we know that good witches don't freeze. Last but not least, white lighters hook up with witches and mortals, whereas there's a big rule against it.
My head canons are:
*The binding spell was only undone on Grams's death because she put something in that spell specifically to have that happen - say she and Patty were killed while they were still children, she'd want them to be able to defend themselves. So all other spells are still intact even after she dies.
*The sisters' active powers don't exist in the past, but they are still witches, so they're able to cast spells with an incantation. Both Phoebe and Piper seem unsure if it'll work but they try it at least. They're able to tap into the magic of their family line whenever they time travel, as long as it exists in the time they go to (they couldn't in All Halliwell's Eve because Melinda wasn't born yet)
*The Charmed power of freezing doesn't work on good witches. The warlock's power was different, and we've seen beings like the Avatars and Angel of Destiny able to freeze time indefinitely and work on good witches. Robin must have accounted for that somehow
*I suppose if you think about how big the world is in general, the Elders have a lot to watch over, so they can't be completely omnipresent. The Summer of Love lasted basically just a year or so, so Leo might have gotten away with it without being caught
Let’s get a “all grams” episodes video
i absolutely love witchstock
I loved Paige with red hair, even black, but that brown hair was dreadful.
The colour she goes at the end of Season 6? Weirdly enough she only did that because fans voted for it on a TV appearance
How in the Hallihell do you not feature one of the funniest spells of all time!! 😆😆🤦🏻♂️
“Come to me, you can’t refuse.
I got a girl to introduce.
Fall for her, you can’t resist her.
Trust me mister, she’s my sister!” 🤣🤣🤣
I loved this episode! Just didnt like how much of a creep leo was😂 this show is a comfort show for me❤
I loooove this episode, i also love Kara Zediker as a young Penny :) !! .
I like her a lot
could you do a video on run piper run at some stage? its one of the better episodes of series 8, particularly for billie fans.
I love when they put Leo in dodgy wigs. Not on the level of the spikes he had in the season 6 finale but still amazingly bad.
Love that episode and have been considering it :)
This is one of my favorite episodes and I still don't understand why it is hated.
Penny is played by a different actress yes, but if you portray the past there has to be some cutoff date where the usual actress would look too old so that's not really a reason.
Yes I always thought they goofed Patty's age in this episode but only because I never really knew her actual age, when I found out she was 16 at the time the issue resolved itself
It's disliked largely because it's obvious this was meant to be an episode about Patty, not Penny. Penny came of age in the 1940s and was already a wife and mother by 1950 when she had Patty. Patty it would make sense be a bit of a flower child when she was 20, and pregnant with Prue. The episode is frothy and funny, but knowing that Penny was swapped for Patty makes it a bit harder to enjoy at times. One thing this and the season 2 episode "Pardon My Past" have in common is that magic was practiced openly at the Manor, and it's never explained why.
@@MegaMagicdog A difference between Pardon my Past and this one is that here there are only witches in the manor and they only practise magic inside meaning nothing would get exposed.
Is there proof that the past portion would have been set during Patty's pregnancy with Prue?
As ot stands now it makes marginally more sense for Witchstock to be about Penny (imo) because Patty was 16 at the time.
@@elecrom_9757 In Pardon My Past we don't know if any of the speakeasy clients were magical folk- it seemed as if they were not. Mysticism was popular at the time so I wouldn't have an issue with people who were interested in it to seek out a drink, get portraits taken by Past Prue and get their fortunes told by Past Phoebe. At least one guest was aware of placing curses on people, so that's also possibly something else to include.
As mentioned in this video, this story was meant to feature Patty. It makes much more sense for a teenage girl (and as Finola Hughes played her, she was a sweet and quiet woman for the most part) naive to life's shortcomings to get swept up in the hippy dippy movement and have a friend like Robin who would ultimately betray her (ever know someone who got close to you just so they could get something of yours?). The character would have given birth to Prue around 1970 (per Prue's headstone) so she should have been dating or preparing to marry Victor and participating in the party at the Manor. FTR, the Summer of love was 1967, so Patty would have been 17.
oh could u do an anatomy episode for cat house
Yeah I've been considering one for all the clip show episodes (Someone to Witch Over Me and Generation Hex included)
So Grams look like this in 1967 and like an Middle Aged woman 8 years later in 1975 (1x17). Pure is supposed to be born in 1970 so patty is going to get pregnant in 2 years…
There is definitely a warlock that appears in season 7 or 8. I mean maybe I’m crazy but doesn’t a warlock team up with a demon in s8.
The ones in Kill Billie Vol 2? I think they're both demons
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@@BetterWithBob you replied 😃
I am personally not a fan of this episode. It just doesn't make sense for it to have been a young Penny. She was much older in the 70s episode, which in the timeline, is just a few years later. Prue is born in 1970, so for them to establish that she needed to be dropped off at her aunts house, made no sense. Then there is the matter of witchcraft being out in the open. Penny still only being on her first marrige. Penny was born in the 20s.
The demonic slime fed on magic period, not just whitelighter orbs I thought. That’s why it was lured out when Phoebe levitated, no?
I should also say I appreciate the time, resources, and research you do for your videos. Especially when bringing in other influences in the media, like the blob. That movie scared me as a kid lol.
Also, Leo is TOTALLY a creep. They either forget how he has been around the family in a past life or as a white lighter and somehow fell in love with Piper? Despite in a past life being her former lover? Possibly relative maybe? And then with Grams in the 60s, inferred they hooked up maybe? Idk just sooo bad
You have to remember that past lives do not actually look the same as the current live and that the elders might not have a way to check a soul if it's reincarnated from someone that interacted with the family before.
The only thing that is weird in this episode is that the elders are allowing whitelighters to have a party but maybe the management was more lax back then^^
It seems silly to head canon this but perhaps the Elders thought the whitelighters would be good to have at the magical be in as some protection/help in case evil attacked
@@elecrom_9757 not true though. Leo tells Piper the elders show them their past lives when they become whitelighters. Her tells her this in Pardon my Past. I’m just trying to figure out the timeline because it doesn’t make sense. That takes place in the 20s? How long was that life lived before he entered the world as Leo and went to the war to die? And then became a whitelighter to be around grams in the 60s?
heyyyy nathan ☀
like this episode it funny
Good episode, except for the time line.
In 1976 Patty was a mom with 2 kids and pregnant with a third but less than 10 years earlier she was a young girl and kept off camera.
No way is Patty 24 in 1976.
But I agre Jennifer Rhodes knocked it out of the park.
Penny is too young in that episode. It is set shortly before Prues birth! And when you know
" this 70s episode" from season 1,it' s even worse.
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How about the "Lime Jell-O Demon" for a name?
Doesn't really inspire fear does it lol
I could not agree more with you. The 70s and 80s really had the worst fashion
The worst fashion is 00s. Thank you.
Nah the 2000s are coming back and I couldn't be more excited lol
@@BetterWithBob trust me, I won’t look good with orange tanning, low rise jeans, flip flops and belly button piercing😂
I literally have no idea why you nicknamed your friend sun god.. Did I miss something in this episode? lol
Paige says to Leo at the end "hey there Sun God"
@@BetterWithBob I remember it now. I guess for some reason, this part just never stood out to me, lol.
So she went from that young, vibrant redhead to old looking grams in less than 10 years? Really?
Sadly, I find hippies way too cringworthy to enjoy but young Penny was hot, I'll give tham that.
Your friends fine af
An extremely beautiful person on the inside as well
Paige is the strongest Charmed One? America explain
Exactly! I think some people equate the amount of powers she has to her strength. She’s powerful but I dont think she’s the “strongest”
@@CashUnlimited8tysm! I’m glad someone agrees. Prue is the most powerful, imagine where her powers would’ve gone
@@susanstorm7910Prue probably would’ve been very powerful had she not been killed. However, I don’t understand why people mention her when this topics comes up. Yes Prue was a Charmed one but she passed away. The latter Charmed Ones were PIPER, PHOEBE, AND PAIGE. So when the discussion of who’s most powerful comes up the focus should be those 3 (in my opinion)
i cannot believe i wasn't subscribed to you! youtube algorithm kept recommending your videos to me so i thought i was! subbed! i love this channel and hell yeah, the house of halliwell shoutout!!!
Ah no worries ^_^
nah I enjoyed witch stock
Early 2000’s is the worst fashion era
Unfortunately I don't like this episode it's one of the worst episodes in the series to me 😬😖
To each their own :)
I dont like this episode i found it boring and dragged so many other episodes that are better
Why do u say Paige is the strongest charmed one?
After she joins, the Power of Three becomes even stronger. They're able to vanquish the Source, they can conjure spirits who become corporeal and their powers progress even faster. The other sisters were only witches, whereas Paige gets powers from that and her whitelighter side. She gets two sets of powers. And she's able to avoid things like the Stillman Sisters' spell, which gives her a level of protection.
@@BetterWithBob but like the og charmed ones never faced the source face to face if shannen hadnt left the show they props would have been able to since they alr knew the spirits spell and the reason i say prue is stronger than paige is becuase prues powers r advanced while paige powers mainly come from orbing so tecnically the og trio and prue is stronger than her and prue can basically copy her sisters powers but not exactly
Where's Alison Pregler? She hates this show...and this episode. "Grandma Ghost...the big man hater..." "Sexed up. HIPPIE. LEO. oh boy..HIPPIE. LEO." "They got him talking in the third person!"
This episode witch-stock it was very interesting that to go back to the 60s similar to the 70s or the 80s but I feel like they should have explain The time period in a different way if they want to tell the backstory about Penny but their mother Patty they should have chose a younger cast to play a groovy girl back in the 60s similar to the 70s and the 80s
Their family tree needs to be fixed to know who is related to them and who resembles them mostly because Allen he said that page looks like his own sister so there has to be an exclamation why could their grandfather could be also a magical person that was not explain it’s a mystery so my theory is Patty her father Allen He is the leader of the hippies so he has to have some connection with magic 🪄 🔮
And why haven’t they chosen a younger cast The age of 16 to play their mother patty