This is just absolute nonsense. What ruins PVP isn't tarnished, it's the to scared to die tank bots that run in groups with mega cross heals and thumbless ball groups.
Lol...sea serpent...scared to die tank bots running in a group with shields..heals..ccs..thumbless brain dead awful players is the Biggest problem with pvp
It is an accessibility feature that was locked behind a paywall, they will nerf it when they decide to make another accessibility set that people with high ping, lag, or slow reaction time or skills can use to equalize the playing field. This is their "random bullet spray" feature to make the game easier, provided that people pay to get the set. By now, the only reason to get that dlc is for this set, and that is like $20, or get eso plus, which $200 a year. You guys think ZOS balances for gameplay, they balance for monetization. Every decision they make is based on sucking money out of players, and getting new players to play so they can get their money.
People are worrying about dying in a mode that has unlimited lives...that said, the 40k tank players/ball groups are the issue with Cyrodil, not Tarnished.
Both are, so people literally lost their ballz and play full tank and proc you down in a game where you as you said have unlimited lifes, but tarnished IS overperforming way too many use it but thats not only a tarnished problem isnt it? Rallying cry, wretched too. Because zos is terrible at balancing pvp and it is honestly not that easy since this game has so many unique shit but nonetheless magsorc for example is also not nerfed next patch (atleast not how it should be) hardened ward is the most broken defensive ability in the game and it doesnt get changed. Thats just zos xd
Its not about dying in a mode that has unlimited lives, its about dying when you're defending a keep against a horde of zerglings using tarnished that can flag a keep in 30s because nobody can get close enough to them. Then spending 10 minutes trying to get back in hopes that the zerglings dont kill everyone in an instant and take the keep. Most people defending Tarnished are the same people cheesing pvp with it, you only call yourself out. Those 40k+ tanks still have a really hard time defending against tarnished because of how much damage it can do, and besides yall huff invisibility like gasoline so if youre ever alone in a fight you just go invis anytime your not being hit and vanish anyways. But yea, the tanks trying to defend their keeps are the problem, (probably because you cant one shot them) 😂😂
I started cyrodiil as a dps, but very quickly learned how to tank specifically because of Tarnished, so if you ask me, the tanks arent the problem, they are the RESPONSE to the problem that is tarnished.
@@crashlag420 brotha thats the most zergling answer ive got. How about you learn the game how to survive rolling blocking instead of going full tank and existing xd? And tanks are the problem though not ppl like you because you do your own thing. Noone really cares about flags most ppl just wanna fight and have fun and where is the fun when ppl cant die anymore? And for zergs tarnished isnt even the problem ballgrps are or bomber
Ye right.ZoS can't implement good PvP like other games.But I also think people much over using broken builds and even casual players cannot play PvP because they being raped by orcs with tons of healing and mitigation.
Tank wardens in battlegrounds standing point to point to flags. Cyrodiil magsorcs, tarnish, NA/PC GH EP night cap, neon alt trolling AD, 100000 AD zergs 3 players in nik or sej, DC ball group disconnecting players with real life magic, tower huggers etc etc etc. This is what the game is and will always be with its imperfection. Majority of players will follow meta. Most players gank or ignore 1v1 honor because most of them just attack on sight; it is an open world pvp mode. There isn't even a consensus PVP rule/etiquette video or guide for cyrodiil so the behavior is extremely grey.
IMO there is no etiquette or honor in Cyrodiil. At least there doesn't need to be. Like you said, it's an open world PvP zone. People can act however honorable they want. If someone wants to bow before fighting they should find a dueling guild.
Diversity he says , 10 years. The same meta is run by the same players. Nothing has ever been spread out in this game. Whatever the most recent set that is broken is what you will see 80%. Of the time. It’s a flaw game design and after 10years everyone including yourself should see this. Godbless
They nerfed caluurions right before tarnished released, it's clear that they aware of how op this set is, they made it that way. So, until they need to sell you new shit, tarnished will stay as it is.
I disagree it isn't ruining PvP, about time 40k tanks with insane healing get to actually receive damage for once. Tank meta has been an issue in this game for years and everytime something comes out that can cut that bs off the PvP players whine about it until it's nerfed and everyone is back to not killing eachother again, Ex: Calurions.
Yeah but caluurions did more damage than actual players, also there was no tank meta when that set was popular. Damage was high back then because no proc had just ended and proc sets like that was allowed back in pvp
@@xyourdeus4972 I cannot count high enough the amount of times i’ve seen players 1v30 a whole siege on a DK because the tank meta is so out of control in this game, they need to honestly bring calurions back & nerf the tank meta into the ground for PvP & leave tarnished nightmare alone, the glitch with proxy det should be fixed but let’s stop whining everytime our 40k health tanks get killed & getting good sets destroyed. Oh & good riddance to vampire too, should’ve removed undeath from the game completely.
@@VsSecretChannel The game was totally different back when caluurions was still super strong, that was before Rallying cry and everyone had vigor. It's not a very good argument, the game is totally different to back then. We were just coming off no proc and not having mechanical acuity, VD, or any procs and most people didn't even understand how CP 2.0 worked back then so they got easily dunked on. The game just deteriorated because everyone got 1000 based weapon damage and 1k health mag and stam from CP changes, plus change to vigor, rallying cry, etc. The game has just become a lot easier. Caluurions is far before a time when the game was easy. What was a 10k caluurions back then could easily be a 12-15k proc by today standards
@@xyourdeus4972 Idk what any of this has to do with the fact that people are & have always been way to tanky in this game to the point PvP has become a joke with 2 players at a stalemate fighting for 20 minutes straight because the tankyness is too much, tarnished does need need a nerf, things that makes you unkillable like Death dealers, Wretched vitality, Heavy armor etc needs to be nerfed. The ttk in pvp is way to slow in this game & when it finally speeds up ESO players cry about it because they rely on their unkillable sets vs learning how to outplay & get good.
Instant procs were such a problem in the past that ZOS had to put delays on procs and also make sure that procs couldnt fire at the same time. They did all that and then - with complete knowledge of the problem - put tarnished knightmare in the game. It's completely intentional in order to sell the DLC.
They need to bring back % chances on proc sets. Why does bloodspawn still have 6% but you can use other procs instantly for 6k-20k+ damage with no restriction and everyone thinks it's fine? The only proc set that shouldnt have % chance is VD because it only activates on player death
@@xyourdeus4972 Just delay the proc and give a way to spot you have the proc on you so you can block. That's all. % chance doesn't fix it as when you get hit you still have no way to counter it.
@@newworldforward1842 I still think it's better system than a delay. The problem is not that hardly that you see it, the problem is that you get zerged by it because it's Top 5 popular set in the game. Think about every other popular proc set that came out since %'s were removed, crimson twilight, dark convergence on launch, hrothgar. Everyone in PVP ran these sets because there was no risk and it was guaranteed to let you get easy kills. Putting % chance immediately makes all the people who are just using it for free damage rethink their builds because they are using a 5 piece with no guarantee to even kill anything to begin with.
Tarnished is fine. The biggest trend i see now in highest mmr bgs and cyro is the warden and Templar tanks the run mech acuity. They are basically tanks that can kill whole groups every 20 seconds and never die. Ive had to re do a lot of builds to try and counter it. Not balanced at all
I agree that the high health builds are really annoying and awful for the meta (thank god warden is getting an arctic blast nerf and not a polar wind nerf right?) but I genuinely cant stand the insane free damage that tarnished provides. I feel like it's got so much in its kit for what it does.
"Tarnished is fine" - 70% of players using the same build in pvp, ah yes balanced as all things should be. Players love this Meta that's why we get the same pvp meta for 2 years, no one wants to change ever 😂😂😂
IMO they should keep the 8 seconds, cap it at a distance of 10m, and proc off direct crit damage only. Getting hit with multiple Tarnish procs off of dot damage while you're not in their LOS is BS in my opinion.
Meanwhile ZOS put proc sets back into no cp. Whole reason a lot of us enjoyed playing there was to avoid all of the flavor of the month no skill meta BS like this. Now there's no avoiding it.
I've seen too many content creators make videos like these only to get ignored by ZOS and then they moved on from the game. And it's the most tragic thing ever to me.
@@decembergaming9540 the problem is streamers love broken sets until everybody starts killing them with it. He made plenty tarnished builds lol I copied a couple in the past
When I die it's not even to tarnished... It doesn't hit that hard. If it didn't have a sound effect tied to it you wouldn't even notice it. It is not over performing, and I do not use it 90% of the time.
I see a lot of copium from tarnished users in chat saying things like it helps combat tanks and ball groups. But be honest those guys are the LEAST affected by tarnished.
The people wearing tarnished are in the groups with the tanks and ball groups 😭 Xv1ing solo players all day everyday or Zerg surfing pretending they are solo. SMH never met a true X’r in tarnished just a zergling set for the thumbless. Of course players who solo are gonna build tanky,it’s to survive the 20 man chasing them around in tarnished 🤦🏾♂️
@@alchemist9905 same as the old bleed meta. Something isnt a "tank killer" when it indiscriminately kills non tanky players at the same rate. You should have to spec into tankiness to be tanky. There shouldnt have to be a compensation to make higher damage sets. Really half the "tank meta" comes from everyone playing vamp lol. If zos just didnt butcher the vamp reworks we wouldnt have this problem.
I think the real problem is hundings. But for real proc sets should not out DPS stat-based builds but a lot of the time they are higher. It's a problem eso has had for ages.
Right, cross healing was never an original issue because hots and dots never stacked. Seeing as zos wants hots and dots to stack, the only way to help address this would be to make it so you can only heal players in your group. If you are not in any group, you can heal other players not in groups. This could help reduce calcs on the server aswell while really only hurting 40+ man stacks. Solo/Small man teams already build to survive on their own.
@@mincvinylthat’s like saying you can only attack a single player or group. Everyone just needs to deal with the cross heals, the tarnished, and all the other sets/skills that people use. Welcome to war in Cyrodil. It’s run what you brung.
@@sketchables Funny enough most of the heal desyncs solely come from light>medium attack issues where your client says it did a light attack, but the server lag thinks you did a medium attack. This corrects after 1s.... but depending on the rules of what determines if you are "dead" had us stuck with the current health desync...... They tried to fix this issue a while ago, but what happened was when they changed the ruling people would be desynced still walking/fighting for 1s while at 0hp before a server correction took place appearing to heal them for the misinterpreted damage.
They create sets to deal a lot of area damage and provide resources to mess up ball groups, but every set they release only ends up benefiting the ball groups themselves. Snake in the Stars, Oblivion's Foe, Azureblight, Tarnished... Why doesn't Zenimax have the capability to solve something as simple as healing share? Instead, they end up creating piles of these noob sets. Tarnished doesn't have a cooldown for a single person taking damage from this set. If 10 people are using it, you'll get hit with 10 Tarnished effects at once. That's ridiculous. And this thing procs with anything, in an area, ranged, melee, dots... Wtf (Sorry for the English)
The first iteration on mara balm was almost perfect in that sense, they coulf have reduced the healing only, it wasnt that good for ball group that fight 1 tob4 or 5 ppl, but with the 1sec cd its just become crap for about any build, sap heal twice the amount so.
Ballgroups don't use Snake in the Stars, Oblivion's Foe, Azureblight OR Tarnished lmao. It's also very hard for a ballgroup to survive constant azureblight and snake procs.
As somebody else mentioned, those are not really sets balls run. Way more broken is stuff like Powerful Assault, Saxheel, Robes of Transmutation, Pillagers Profit, Rush of Agony, Plaguebreak, Vicious Death, Dark Con, SPC, Drake Rush etc etc. Even if you limit crosshealing the syngerizing power of these sets increases the damage, resistence and ulti gen of ballgroup to a level, that for unorganized players it would still be impossible to kill them. There are ways (Battlespirit i.e.) to tame these sets in Pvp (and still let them do the magic in pve), but as ZoS does not go this route can only mean one thing: It is the intended way to play! Either accept it or play something else, because they will not change it.
Tell me you do not pvp in group without telling me lol. Oblivion foe, Azure blight and snake in stars is some of the sets used by organised groups against ball groups. There is a difference between the 2, group comp, positioning/formation and fight tactics very different. Git gud maybe?
Good video! Thank you for addressing tarnished and I agree with the idea of removing the sundered status effect. Also think maybe they should make that cooldown in the range of 12-16 seconds. I think they also should consider doing something to rallying cry. I use rally on everything but my mag sorc (so three characters) and it will be annoying having to switch up builds, but the fact that the majority of build videos from content creators suggest rallying cry backbar should tell ya something needs to be done there too.
Tarnished is a great proc burst set but it isnt being used too much because its op, its being used too much because its one of the few ranged proc sets that doesnt suck imo. The other ones being rele, famously hard to keep stacks up from range unless you are a god or sorc in which case you dont wanna go stam anyway and wof which is a great set but not as bursty that still do similar or higher damage than tarnished on the long run
I mainly 1vX/2vX, the set is annoying to deal with but not completely a free win. The issue I have with it is the obscenely loud SFX. It's a horrible noise and WAY louder than anything else. There have been times where my brain just shuts off because of the noise. I lose the fight because I stop pressing buttons, get flustered and can't recover in real life, let alone in game.
I think you're right the Sundered status needs to be removed. I think also it should include the condition "Dealing Critical Damage with a Martial melee attack...", locking it to proc off melee only. It would reinstate the risk-reward idea you mentioned.
I can't agree that Tarnished Nightmare is a problem. For one, no one can stop people from playing the way they play whether ranged or up close and personal. An increase in a cooldown from Tarnished Nightmare's 5 piece bonus is irrelevant too. At the end of the day, we don't know when the bonus is going to fire off anyway.
So there is two main issue with your objective with this video. The first problem is that the issue is created by PvP players that gatekeep setups that actually work. So when one finally comes out and it is very good, you better believe everybody will use it. The second reason is that without the tarnished set, PvP will just become a placed filled with people that love building tanks and having zero down sides to it. Do what you will with this feedback.
Ive never had an issue with Tarnished, even as solo or small scale grp (2-4). The biggest killer is being overwhelmed by sheer numbers or dying to really good players.
@@DoyouknowtheHweii I've actually met a few bash builds using this hahaha, in saying that theyre too slow to catch anyone and can run out of stam easily so just need to be able to out heal the dmg or escape
@@RunIt_Straightt yea thats the thing they are full tanks that still have enough damage to kill not tanks especially with jeral xd but thats the thing you dont need anything to play that and ppl that play the game for 2 months will kill you with it xd
i have not played for a long time but that's kind of what happens when they consistently nerf sets into the ground instead of trying to make them all good
Tarnished needs a universal cool down. Meaning only 1 can hit you, PERIOD, every like 10 seconds. Not 6 at the same fkn time from 6 different losers. BGs are 100% killing the game. Unkillable and create huge lag spikes.
I don't run it but I don't mind it even when on the receiving end. I'm pretty well equipped to deal with tarnished NBs, although I got deleted from the server earlier by a good tarnished NB. Much better than the dark convergence era
completely agree, proc sets like this are also why people who currently play on no cp are not thrilled with the addition of proc sets back into no cp pvp
Is tarnished ruining pvp? No. Does it represent everything that is ruining pvp? Yes. It’s just unchecked power with no effort. I’m cool with proc sets, but tarnished specifically gives you too much for an 8 sec cooldown
Tarnished is annoying, but if you pair it with Anthelmir (the monster set) it becomes lethal at range. Even on my melee NB i am surprised how many times I actually end up killing players with ice heavies if both sets proc.
They ruined the game by getting rid of % chance off proc sets, in the past they all had an RNG chance to activate like between 6% and 25% chance to activate, and Zos made most procs instant procs and theres no surprise the game got considerably worse. Not to mention you can scale them up with stats too
% chance is part of the reason the servers were so bad back then. Unfortunately I don't think they'll make a return without ZOS investment in the servers.
@@awilddevereaux Which is funny because the servers needing investment is one of the major issues of the game and why people go procs. Skills may not activate or fire off with delay, but procs always work. They did a server migration upgrade in 2023 and performance on all megaservers saw a massive upgrade. The issue is quite literally they refuse to continually invest in the servers.
I just started playing eso again, just earlier on xbox, is the first time i was in pvp for more then 10 minutes. and all i hear was glass smashing sounds the entire time i was in a fight. easily more then 5 people in the one fight on DC using it.
I have NEVER died from tarnished, it's been in my death recap doing around 3-4k damage but it isn't what kills me. vicious death and DC hit way harder. If a skill doing 4k damage is what's killing you then idk that sounds like a you problem 😅
This may be an unpopular take and feel free to have an opposing opinion, but I run Tarnished as part of my sets for my Arcanist and love it because Arcanist has next to zero burst DPS, it's consistent and cleave, but little to no burst while EVERY other class in the game has burst. So Tarnished gives me a little extra burst that I need. I'm no sweaty PvP player but this helps and in PvE content it's a wonderful addition to my cleave from the green beam and falil. So I'm sorry but not sorry this has not been nerfed. My class has been nerfed enough already,.. especially since removing my class execute skill!!
Here's the problem... you also got way of the fire just as fast. I think the "sound" of tarnished has a built-in mental factor, lol From my experience, really high crit resist builds seem to pretty effective against tarnished. Kinda like high fire resist builds is good against way of the fire. As an average player, it doesn't bother me much. Even started using tarnished for first time recently. To be honest, it seems to go in spurts. I encounter way of the fire way more. Though sometimes, I feel like I run into a lot of tarnished also.
before tarnished it was plague/dark convergence, before that it was a million werewolves running Alessian order etc etc. These scrubs will run to these sets quicker that it took you to be hit by tarnished! haha I still think the best time in cyrodiil was when we had no procs with CP as it took skill to play, groups needed healers and it felt really balanced. All the scrubs disappeared too!
I just came back to the game after a four year break. I've been playing on and off since launch. I'm looking at content online to get me up to date on the game and it looks like nothing has changed fundamentally. Same player complaints, same server issues. The only really change is the dwindling population of Cyrodiil. Unfortunately, I don't think ZOS will ever get the cat back in the bag.
I will add though that my first death back in Cyrodiil was getting deleted by someone running this set lol. I didn't even know what happened. Sounded like getting hit by a sorc but they were invisible.
i dont know about game these days, but back than 10y ago, bloodspawn op; as temp sitting in mana armor buff, every 15sec proc on bloodspawn basically made you OP additionally temp ult heal was lagg infected with not using; i could spam 8 ult heals vs 30 players attacking me not dying at all
There is a guild called "Carried by Tarnished" out there. It makes me laugh when I see it. And Tarnished gankers are just an annoyance. The D-Ring All Stars just love it too.
Tarnished is a really popular set, but I don't think it's good on anything besides crit NB. (Gankers included) I've had tarnished tick for 2-4k when i'm playing a bomber build that has zero defense other than major resolve, and when wearing 5 light and 2 med, all divines, with no defensive cp? Not a big deal. When it's a full ganker build, it hurts a little more, but nothing I really tend to care about.
a slight nerf to tarnished would be great, it makes some builds far too strong but tank meta really needs to change. vamp nerf will help that, people won't be soo tanky and still be able to burst you to oblivion but more is needed.
The set is kind of fine for dmg it could be nerfed slightly there. It really needs a cooldown per target once hit though so you can only take damage/debuffs from it every 8 seconds. Imo being able to be hit with 3+ at the same time is what makes it so broken. I have a pov of 3 blades proccing it on me in about the same gcd, it's tryhard af but it's just a no brainer to stack a whole group with it at this point and potential eat half or more of their hit points instantly just for hitting them with a light attack then kill the next person with the next burst of ez procs
I'ma be real, I think people actually learned about that set from videos like this in the last couple days. It was bad before but just in the last few days it's turned into like half all people are wearing this. Including groups of like 6+ NB just stealth killing people outside of keeps. As a solo, it's insane to deal with now. But hopefully it's so bad that it gets addressed soon.
Tarnished is ridiculous. Its the same way on Xbox-NA. Yesterday i was defending an outpost and i shit you not i went to set up the first oil and in the process i was simultaneously hit three times by it.
The only nerf tarnished needs is it shouldn't proc from dots. I have no issue survivng tarnished gankers. It is always the zergs of tanky losers with saint and seducer and meta sorcs all ulti people on dark convergence procs.
I've yet to meet a nb that can beat me 3 out of 5 while running tarnished, vs my gourmand/clever/markyn/balorgh... but, they do get lucky, I can give them that.
Yes it is. Along with a whole lot of other things (ie nightblade two taps, over healing, damage extremely high, yet they extremely tanky, I don't understand pvp anymore)
The thing is, ZOS knows this. They know about the tank meta and everything else op or that generates complaints. They don’t care. They are either doing it for a reason which may not be evident for a year or two, or nobody will ever know why. Or they just don’t care. Im100% convinced that the people at ZOS who actually play the game are all dk or NB mains. They care about that
I've been running Swift and Crit Riposte just to put up a fight with Nb's smh. I was running impen Briarheart armor with 30k resistance and was getting hit with 11k Tarnished from nb's smh. Most ults doesn't even hit that hard and take longer than 8 seconds to build up.
They need to make HoT’s of the same kind not stackable. No one should have 8 instances of healing from the same skill just because it came from different players. That’s insanity.
As a mag sorc main, I’m surprised more ppl aren’t complaining about sorc. Like are people really okay with me being this untouchable? Can’t remember the last time I died in a 1v1 or even a 1v2 in gh. Like damn I kinda miss having to worry about the whole death mechanic thing in PvP
as a sorc myself, but stam. i dont think it bothers anyone, cause anyone can spam a shield over and over. most of the time i just avoid yall cause its boring as fuck. having to be carried by living in a bubble, is sad and lame. spamming hardened ward doesnt make you good, it just proves the shield is good lol. literally anyone can be a shield humper
I agree and dissagree. I agree and belive Tarnished being used as a ranged proc makes it problematic... Even though the damage is easily mitigated by blocking or completely diminished by a dodge. I think if using a staff/bow the proc should be x2 amount of time for proc chance. I don't see melee being an issue, a dodge every 8-10s when actively focusing on an enemy in your face; to mitigate the damage and proc conditions isn't an issue
@@Sekaar Haha exactly, I started cyrodiil as a dps templar but nothing I did would help me survive tarnished spam and invis ganks. I switched to a tank build and now my goal is to help the dps who were unfortuante enough to get hit by tarnished, not mention dark convergence
Tarnished damage isn’t that bad. What’s bad is the guaranteed aoe Sundered proc. Plus I bet the AoE damage portion is scaling off single target damage like Azure Blight… I think there are other things that need adjusting more than Tarnished
every single dingleberry is wearing tarnished nightmare and its all you can hear in pvp. i dont have a problem with people using the set, i have a problem with the sound it makes.
So this stupid stuck in combat glitch if there is any PvP in your radius even if your not involved it slots you in combat. Cheesemonger is my go to. It’s the worst sound effect in your ear, and NB’S forget about it there running 6 NB grps and just mount ganking. Unlike Scav Maw you can dodge that. PvP has been TARNISHED no pun attended VD Dark Convergence and Tarnished before these sets we actually could PvP’ Sekeer is 110 percent right he does not sugar coat anything he’s like me an old school player of skill and rotation. If you truly had no ego and wanted a true experience of what Sekeer is saying Ravenwatch or Imperial City no proc no go will make you be a skill player. Anyways thank you for saying what we all are thinking and as always you RIGHT ON POINT!
There will always be over powered options in any pvp game mode. Destiny, call of duty, eso you name it. I’ll take tarnished over the super tank meta though. Honestly there needs to be a lot of love put into pvp. I think if they put some more effort into it there would be less cheese. Wouldn’t eliminate all the cheese but would be less.
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I think the tarnished proc sound volume should be increased by 200%.
i think everyone should be able to hear ALL tarnished procs. not just ones you apply and ones that hit you
I hear smashing glass in my sleep these days if that says anything.
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Yeah means you might play the game too much if it's seared into your subconscious. 😂
I call it the noob siren 🚨
@@knowlen Or the Zergling call. 😂
This is just absolute nonsense. What ruins PVP isn't tarnished, it's the to scared to die tank bots that run in groups with mega cross heals and thumbless ball groups.
True you can even drop there health bar to a sliver then the bar shoots right up to full health in half a second. They talk the most smack too lol
@@Younaverze 💯 for example i had a 38k HP Guy and i dropped him down to 400 HP then his 3 m8s healed him in a 1/4 of a sec to full HP
You can ignore tank bots for the most part.
@@shadowcat9420til they bash you to death lol
Lol...sea serpent...scared to die tank bots running in a group with shields..heals..ccs..thumbless brain dead awful players is the Biggest problem with pvp
It is an accessibility feature that was locked behind a paywall, they will nerf it when they decide to make another accessibility set that people with high ping, lag, or slow reaction time or skills can use to equalize the playing field. This is their "random bullet spray" feature to make the game easier, provided that people pay to get the set. By now, the only reason to get that dlc is for this set, and that is like $20, or get eso plus, which $200 a year. You guys think ZOS balances for gameplay, they balance for monetization. Every decision they make is based on sucking money out of players, and getting new players to play so they can get their money.
Tarnished is too damn good. The AoE sundered that’s unavoidable is just too loaded. That being said, I’ll keep abusing it until it gets fixed 🙃
on top of being a proc set it also gives 100wd/sd reliably and pen equal to spriggans
People are worrying about dying in a mode that has unlimited lives...that said, the 40k tank players/ball groups are the issue with Cyrodil, not Tarnished.
Both are, so people literally lost their ballz and play full tank and proc you down in a game where you as you said have unlimited lifes, but tarnished IS overperforming way too many use it but thats not only a tarnished problem isnt it? Rallying cry, wretched too. Because zos is terrible at balancing pvp and it is honestly not that easy since this game has so many unique shit but nonetheless magsorc for example is also not nerfed next patch (atleast not how it should be) hardened ward is the most broken defensive ability in the game and it doesnt get changed. Thats just zos xd
Its not about dying in a mode that has unlimited lives, its about dying when you're defending a keep against a horde of zerglings using tarnished that can flag a keep in 30s because nobody can get close enough to them. Then spending 10 minutes trying to get back in hopes that the zerglings dont kill everyone in an instant and take the keep.
Most people defending Tarnished are the same people cheesing pvp with it, you only call yourself out.
Those 40k+ tanks still have a really hard time defending against tarnished because of how much damage it can do, and besides yall huff invisibility like gasoline so if youre ever alone in a fight you just go invis anytime your not being hit and vanish anyways.
But yea, the tanks trying to defend their keeps are the problem,
(probably because you cant one shot them) 😂😂
I started cyrodiil as a dps, but very quickly learned how to tank specifically because of Tarnished, so if you ask me, the tanks arent the problem, they are the RESPONSE to the problem that is tarnished.
@@crashlag420 brotha thats the most zergling answer ive got. How about you learn the game how to survive rolling blocking instead of going full tank and existing xd? And tanks are the problem though not ppl like you because you do your own thing. Noone really cares about flags most ppl just wanna fight and have fun and where is the fun when ppl cant die anymore? And for zergs tarnished isnt even the problem ballgrps are or bomber
Ye right.ZoS can't implement good PvP like other games.But I also think people much over using broken builds and even casual players cannot play PvP because they being raped by orcs with tons of healing and mitigation.
Tank wardens in battlegrounds standing point to point to flags. Cyrodiil magsorcs, tarnish, NA/PC GH EP night cap, neon alt trolling AD, 100000 AD zergs 3 players in nik or sej, DC ball group disconnecting players with real life magic, tower huggers etc etc etc.
This is what the game is and will always be with its imperfection. Majority of players will follow meta. Most players gank or ignore 1v1 honor because most of them just attack on sight; it is an open world pvp mode. There isn't even a consensus PVP rule/etiquette video or guide for cyrodiil so the behavior is extremely grey.
IMO there is no etiquette or honor in Cyrodiil. At least there doesn't need to be. Like you said, it's an open world PvP zone. People can act however honorable they want.
If someone wants to bow before fighting they should find a dueling guild.
Diversity he says , 10 years. The same meta is run by the same players. Nothing has ever been spread out in this game. Whatever the most recent set that is broken is what you will see 80%. Of the time. It’s a flaw game design and after 10years everyone including yourself should see this. Godbless
Amen
@@gunnarragnarsson9563 This days ? It has been since first multiplayer game, cookie cutter always have existed.
They nerfed caluurions right before tarnished released, it's clear that they aware of how op this set is, they made it that way. So, until they need to sell you new shit, tarnished will stay as it is.
I disagree it isn't ruining PvP, about time 40k tanks with insane healing get to actually receive damage for once. Tank meta has been an issue in this game for years and everytime something comes out that can cut that bs off the PvP players whine about it until it's nerfed and everyone is back to not killing eachother again, Ex: Calurions.
Yeah but caluurions did more damage than actual players, also there was no tank meta when that set was popular. Damage was high back then because no proc had just ended and proc sets like that was allowed back in pvp
Totally agree!!
@@xyourdeus4972 I cannot count high enough the amount of times i’ve seen players 1v30 a whole siege on a DK because the tank meta is so out of control in this game, they need to honestly bring calurions back & nerf the tank meta into the ground for PvP & leave tarnished nightmare alone, the glitch with proxy det should be fixed but let’s stop whining everytime our 40k health tanks get killed & getting good sets destroyed. Oh & good riddance to vampire too, should’ve removed undeath from the game completely.
@@VsSecretChannel The game was totally different back when caluurions was still super strong, that was before Rallying cry and everyone had vigor. It's not a very good argument, the game is totally different to back then. We were just coming off no proc and not having mechanical acuity, VD, or any procs and most people didn't even understand how CP 2.0 worked back then so they got easily dunked on.
The game just deteriorated because everyone got 1000 based weapon damage and 1k health mag and stam from CP changes, plus change to vigor, rallying cry, etc. The game has just become a lot easier. Caluurions is far before a time when the game was easy. What was a 10k caluurions back then could easily be a 12-15k proc by today standards
@@xyourdeus4972 Idk what any of this has to do with the fact that people are & have always been way to tanky in this game to the point PvP has become a joke with 2 players at a stalemate fighting for 20 minutes straight because the tankyness is too much, tarnished does need need a nerf, things that makes you unkillable like Death dealers, Wretched vitality, Heavy armor etc needs to be nerfed. The ttk in pvp is way to slow in this game & when it finally speeds up ESO players cry about it because they rely on their unkillable sets vs learning how to outplay & get good.
Finds your build videos with Tarnished Nightmare...
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Instant procs were such a problem in the past that ZOS had to put delays on procs and also make sure that procs couldnt fire at the same time. They did all that and then - with complete knowledge of the problem - put tarnished knightmare in the game. It's completely intentional in order to sell the DLC.
Damn your right
They need to bring back % chances on proc sets. Why does bloodspawn still have 6% but you can use other procs instantly for 6k-20k+ damage with no restriction and everyone thinks it's fine?
The only proc set that shouldnt have % chance is VD because it only activates on player death
@@xyourdeus4972 Just delay the proc and give a way to spot you have the proc on you so you can block. That's all.
% chance doesn't fix it as when you get hit you still have no way to counter it.
@@newworldforward1842 I still think it's better system than a delay. The problem is not that hardly that you see it, the problem is that you get zerged by it because it's Top 5 popular set in the game. Think about every other popular proc set that came out since %'s were removed, crimson twilight, dark convergence on launch, hrothgar. Everyone in PVP ran these sets because there was no risk and it was guaranteed to let you get easy kills.
Putting % chance immediately makes all the people who are just using it for free damage rethink their builds because they are using a 5 piece with no guarantee to even kill anything to begin with.
@@xyourdeus4972 All procs should have a signal so you can counter them. Skilled players who counter the proc should be rewarded.
What about rallying cry ? :x tarnish is nothing, y'all running super tanky build with layered healing
Not work 100%
Tarnished is beyond broke. If you don’t think so you rely on that set to kill
Every time i hear that set go off on me i immediately think zergling
Same lol I’m like nice 2k tarnished catch this 15k db
Tarnished is fine. The biggest trend i see now in highest mmr bgs and cyro is the warden and Templar tanks the run mech acuity. They are basically tanks that can kill whole groups every 20 seconds and never die. Ive had to re do a lot of builds to try and counter it. Not balanced at all
Yes
I agree that the high health builds are really annoying and awful for the meta (thank god warden is getting an arctic blast nerf and not a polar wind nerf right?) but I genuinely cant stand the insane free damage that tarnished provides. I feel like it's got so much in its kit for what it does.
"Tarnished is fine" - 70% of players using the same build in pvp, ah yes balanced as all things should be. Players love this Meta that's why we get the same pvp meta for 2 years, no one wants to change ever 😂😂😂
I’ll take acuity wardens over having to fight sorcs and nb’s.
It’s not fine. The range procs that aren’t capped are an issue.
As a ganker I disapprove of this message
IMO they should keep the 8 seconds, cap it at a distance of 10m, and proc off direct crit damage only. Getting hit with multiple Tarnish procs off of dot damage while you're not in their LOS is BS in my opinion.
Yes
Not as much as I used to come across Master dual wield every one was running it. Most still are but it did get a nerf lol
Meanwhile ZOS put proc sets back into no cp. Whole reason a lot of us enjoyed playing there was to avoid all of the flavor of the month no skill meta BS like this. Now there's no avoiding it.
exactly. no cp no proc gave some consistency to the game. now i just have to reach the patch notes to see if the game is worth playing each month.
I've seen too many content creators make videos like these only to get ignored by ZOS and then they moved on from the game. And it's the most tragic thing ever to me.
Nah, he made build videos with the set. Did it to himself
@@decembergaming9540 the problem is streamers love broken sets until everybody starts killing them with it. He made plenty tarnished builds lol I copied a couple in the past
@@decembergaming9540 The dude literally posted some of the first tarnished builds
When I die it's not even to tarnished... It doesn't hit that hard. If it didn't have a sound effect tied to it you wouldn't even notice it. It is not over performing, and I do not use it 90% of the time.
Lmfao unbalanced is all the tanky bois never dying and slapping each other... how tf you want that... cringe youtuber. Trash skill issue. Pls quit
I see a lot of copium from tarnished users in chat saying things like it helps combat tanks and ball groups. But be honest those guys are the LEAST affected by tarnished.
The people wearing tarnished are in the groups with the tanks and ball groups 😭 Xv1ing solo players all day everyday or Zerg surfing pretending they are solo. SMH never met a true X’r in tarnished just a zergling set for the thumbless. Of course players who solo are gonna build tanky,it’s to survive the 20 man chasing them around in tarnished 🤦🏾♂️
This guy shotgun is one of the bots that only plays a tarnished ganker why he crying about this video 😂 doesnt want to give up his crutch
@@alchemist9905 same as the old bleed meta. Something isnt a "tank killer" when it indiscriminately kills non tanky players at the same rate.
You should have to spec into tankiness to be tanky. There shouldnt have to be a compensation to make higher damage sets.
Really half the "tank meta" comes from everyone playing vamp lol. If zos just didnt butcher the vamp reworks we wouldnt have this problem.
@Moonveil69 100% lol
It's also a set that works perfectly fine regardless of everything else you're wearing, zero synergy needed. Ask me how I know 😅
@@Moonveil69 BORING!
I think the real problem is hundings. But for real proc sets should not out DPS stat-based builds but a lot of the time they are higher. It's a problem eso has had for ages.
It's not just tarnished though dude. You have gankers using 3 proc sets in one build. Tarnished + Cindermoth + pick your poison monster set
The absolutely thumbless. Then they bag you too! 😂
In my opinion. It is not any proc set that is the issue. The issue is healing, cross healing.
both are proc sets are also busted af for example jeral relequen sits
Right, cross healing was never an original issue because hots and dots never stacked.
Seeing as zos wants hots and dots to stack, the only way to help address this would be to make it so you can only heal players in your group. If you are not in any group, you can heal other players not in groups.
This could help reduce calcs on the server aswell while really only hurting 40+ man stacks. Solo/Small man teams already build to survive on their own.
When particular proc sets lag you out and you instantly die before any effects show on your screen, the set is broken
@@mincvinylthat’s like saying you can only attack a single player or group. Everyone just needs to deal with the cross heals, the tarnished, and all the other sets/skills that people use. Welcome to war in Cyrodil. It’s run what you brung.
@@sketchables Funny enough most of the heal desyncs solely come from light>medium attack issues where your client says it did a light attack, but the server lag thinks you did a medium attack. This corrects after 1s.... but depending on the rules of what determines if you are "dead" had us stuck with the current health desync...... They tried to fix this issue a while ago, but what happened was when they changed the ruling people would be desynced still walking/fighting for 1s while at 0hp before a server correction took place appearing to heal them for the misinterpreted damage.
Actually, I just use Mara's Balm to counter it, even after the nerf, it unironically does wonders against Tarnished Nightmare.
You are Criticizing Tarnished, talk about build diversity yet you use Way of fire, you make no sense.
Found the zergling.
@@crashlag420 nah he's right. proc sets as a whole are a problem
They create sets to deal a lot of area damage and provide resources to mess up ball groups, but every set they release only ends up benefiting the ball groups themselves. Snake in the Stars, Oblivion's Foe, Azureblight, Tarnished... Why doesn't Zenimax have the capability to solve something as simple as healing share? Instead, they end up creating piles of these noob sets. Tarnished doesn't have a cooldown for a single person taking damage from this set. If 10 people are using it, you'll get hit with 10 Tarnished effects at once. That's ridiculous. And this thing procs with anything, in an area, ranged, melee, dots... Wtf (Sorry for the English)
The first iteration on mara balm was almost perfect in that sense, they coulf have reduced the healing only, it wasnt that good for ball group that fight 1 tob4 or 5 ppl, but with the 1sec cd its just become crap for about any build, sap heal twice the amount so.
Waaaooo waaaoooo waaaooo here comes the waambulance
Ballgroups don't use Snake in the Stars, Oblivion's Foe, Azureblight OR Tarnished lmao.
It's also very hard for a ballgroup to survive constant azureblight and snake procs.
As somebody else mentioned, those are not really sets balls run. Way more broken is stuff like Powerful Assault, Saxheel, Robes of Transmutation, Pillagers Profit, Rush of Agony, Plaguebreak, Vicious Death, Dark Con, SPC, Drake Rush etc etc. Even if you limit crosshealing the syngerizing power of these sets increases the damage, resistence and ulti gen of ballgroup to a level, that for unorganized players it would still be impossible to kill them. There are ways (Battlespirit i.e.) to tame these sets in Pvp (and still let them do the magic in pve), but as ZoS does not go this route can only mean one thing: It is the intended way to play! Either accept it or play something else, because they will not change it.
Tell me you do not pvp in group without telling me lol. Oblivion foe, Azure blight and snake in stars is some of the sets used by organised groups against ball groups. There is a difference between the 2, group comp, positioning/formation and fight tactics very different.
Git gud maybe?
Good video! Thank you for addressing tarnished and I agree with the idea of removing the sundered status effect. Also think maybe they should make that cooldown in the range of 12-16 seconds. I think they also should consider doing something to rallying cry. I use rally on everything but my mag sorc (so three characters) and it will be annoying having to switch up builds, but the fact that the majority of build videos from content creators suggest rallying cry backbar should tell ya something needs to be done there too.
Tarnished is a great proc burst set but it isnt being used too much because its op, its being used too much because its one of the few ranged proc sets that doesnt suck imo. The other ones being rele, famously hard to keep stacks up from range unless you are a god or sorc in which case you dont wanna go stam anyway and wof which is a great set but not as bursty that still do similar or higher damage than tarnished on the long run
If anything with the ia sets we will be getting even more support for ranged proc playstyle which is great
agree. plaguebreak was good back then, then nerfed. now tarnished is the last of few set that is good for ranged bow user
I mainly 1vX/2vX, the set is annoying to deal with but not completely a free win. The issue I have with it is the obscenely loud SFX. It's a horrible noise and WAY louder than anything else. There have been times where my brain just shuts off because of the noise. I lose the fight because I stop pressing buttons, get flustered and can't recover in real life, let alone in game.
I’ve been playing PVP for about 2 weeks now and by the far the most annoying thing in PVP is these ball groups and their infinite healing.
I think you're right the Sundered status needs to be removed. I think also it should include the condition "Dealing Critical Damage with a Martial melee attack...", locking it to proc off melee only. It would reinstate the risk-reward idea you mentioned.
Tarnish is fun as. 3 months in and i will say building flame blossom and tarnish gank builds is peak mmo gaming. Fun levels off the charts.
Half these comments defending tarnished are probably bow snipers than run away unless they zerg
I am 😂
Spot on lol
Cry more little baby 40k tank hinding like in corners looking for more ballistic vests
"Probably bow snipers" huh. Keep speculating then
There's a post on the ESO forums titled "Why do I keep hearing the sound of breaking glass in PvP?"
I can't agree that Tarnished Nightmare is a problem. For one, no one can stop people from playing the way they play whether ranged or up close and personal. An increase in a cooldown from Tarnished Nightmare's 5 piece bonus is irrelevant too. At the end of the day, we don't know when the bonus is going to fire off anyway.
So there is two main issue with your objective with this video. The first problem is that the issue is created by PvP players that gatekeep setups that actually work. So when one finally comes out and it is very good, you better believe everybody will use it. The second reason is that without the tarnished set, PvP will just become a placed filled with people that love building tanks and having zero down sides to it. Do what you will with this feedback.
Ive never had an issue with Tarnished, even as solo or small scale grp (2-4). The biggest killer is being overwhelmed by sheer numbers or dying to really good players.
wait till you meet basharca bashing you to deaht literally without counterplay
@@DoyouknowtheHweii I've actually met a few bash builds using this hahaha, in saying that theyre too slow to catch anyone and can run out of stam easily so just need to be able to out heal the dmg or escape
@@RunIt_Straightt yea thats the thing they are full tanks that still have enough damage to kill not tanks especially with jeral xd but thats the thing you dont need anything to play that and ppl that play the game for 2 months will kill you with it xd
i have not played for a long time but that's kind of what happens when they consistently nerf sets into the ground instead of trying to make them all good
Exactly 95% sets are dead and 5% viable in pvp
If your character is prepared for it, it is not a problem at all.
Tarnished needs a universal cool down. Meaning only 1 can hit you, PERIOD, every like 10 seconds. Not 6 at the same fkn time from 6 different losers.
BGs are 100% killing the game. Unkillable and create huge lag spikes.
What do set is run with tarnished?
I don't run it but I don't mind it even when on the receiving end. I'm pretty well equipped to deal with tarnished NBs, although I got deleted from the server earlier by a good tarnished NB. Much better than the dark convergence era
When everyone is so stuck playing tanks in pvp it makes sense to use this set
Lol its the other way around, gankers created tanks in pvp, I've played on and off since beta, I know.
completely agree, proc sets like this are also why people who currently play on no cp are not thrilled with the addition of proc sets back into no cp pvp
Is tarnished ruining pvp? No. Does it represent everything that is ruining pvp? Yes. It’s just unchecked power with no effort. I’m cool with proc sets, but tarnished specifically gives you too much for an 8 sec cooldown
Viper in the early days, later Sloads and now this. Zos will always make these cancer proc sets. For some reason they love it.
Lag is still the main problem.
If you can't move or use skills its pointless.
Procs can be fixed just add a cool down to the affect on the player so multiple players can't proc it on one player
Tarnished is annoying, but if you pair it with Anthelmir (the monster set) it becomes lethal at range. Even on my melee NB i am surprised how many times I actually end up killing players with ice heavies if both sets proc.
I agree with you. I do run it on my nightblad. On every other ALT, I enjoy defending against it.
Thank you for posting this all I hear is glass breaking 24/7 when I pvp now.
They ruined the game by getting rid of % chance off proc sets, in the past they all had an RNG chance to activate like between 6% and 25% chance to activate, and Zos made most procs instant procs and theres no surprise the game got considerably worse. Not to mention you can scale them up with stats too
% chance is part of the reason the servers were so bad back then. Unfortunately I don't think they'll make a return without ZOS investment in the servers.
@@awilddevereaux Which is funny because the servers needing investment is one of the major issues of the game and why people go procs. Skills may not activate or fire off with delay, but procs always work.
They did a server migration upgrade in 2023 and performance on all megaservers saw a massive upgrade. The issue is quite literally they refuse to continually invest in the servers.
I just started playing eso again, just earlier on xbox, is the first time i was in pvp for more then 10 minutes. and all i hear was glass smashing sounds the entire time i was in a fight. easily more then 5 people in the one fight on DC using it.
I have NEVER died from tarnished, it's been in my death recap doing around 3-4k damage but it isn't what kills me. vicious death and DC hit way harder. If a skill doing 4k damage is what's killing you then idk that sounds like a you problem 😅
Iget hit with tarnished everyday lol
all day every day
This may be an unpopular take and feel free to have an opposing opinion, but I run Tarnished as part of my sets for my Arcanist and love it because Arcanist has next to zero burst DPS, it's consistent and cleave, but little to no burst while EVERY other class in the game has burst. So Tarnished gives me a little extra burst that I need. I'm no sweaty PvP player but this helps and in PvE content it's a wonderful addition to my cleave from the green beam and falil. So I'm sorry but not sorry this has not been nerfed. My class has been nerfed enough already,.. especially since removing my class execute skill!!
Here's the problem... you also got way of the fire just as fast. I think the "sound" of tarnished has a built-in mental factor, lol
From my experience, really high crit resist builds seem to pretty effective against tarnished. Kinda like high fire resist builds is good against way of the fire.
As an average player, it doesn't bother me much. Even started using tarnished for first time recently.
To be honest, it seems to go in spurts. I encounter way of the fire way more. Though sometimes, I feel like I run into a lot of tarnished also.
Do you know the set/ability that charms you and makes you walk in a seemingly random direction? I have no idea what is causing the charm
warden class script on scribed abilities
before tarnished it was plague/dark convergence, before that it was a million werewolves running Alessian order etc etc. These scrubs will run to these sets quicker that it took you to be hit by tarnished! haha I still think the best time in cyrodiil was when we had no procs with CP as it took skill to play, groups needed healers and it felt really balanced. All the scrubs disappeared too!
I just came back to the game after a four year break. I've been playing on and off since launch. I'm looking at content online to get me up to date on the game and it looks like nothing has changed fundamentally. Same player complaints, same server issues. The only really change is the dwindling population of Cyrodiil. Unfortunately, I don't think ZOS will ever get the cat back in the bag.
I will add though that my first death back in Cyrodiil was getting deleted by someone running this set lol. I didn't even know what happened. Sounded like getting hit by a sorc but they were invisible.
i dont know about game these days, but back than 10y ago, bloodspawn op; as temp sitting in mana armor buff, every 15sec proc on bloodspawn basically made you OP additionally temp ult heal was lagg infected with not using; i could spam 8 ult heals vs 30 players attacking me not dying at all
There is a guild called "Carried by Tarnished" out there. It makes me laugh when I see it. And Tarnished gankers are just an annoyance. The D-Ring All Stars just love it too.
Remove sundered and give a sign when you get it on you so you can block the proc.
Tarnished is a really popular set, but I don't think it's good on anything besides crit NB. (Gankers included)
I've had tarnished tick for 2-4k when i'm playing a bomber build that has zero defense other than major resolve, and when wearing 5 light and 2 med, all divines, with no defensive cp? Not a big deal. When it's a full ganker build, it hurts a little more, but nothing I really tend to care about.
a slight nerf to tarnished would be great, it makes some builds far too strong but tank meta really needs to change. vamp nerf will help that, people won't be soo tanky and still be able to burst you to oblivion but more is needed.
The set is kind of fine for dmg it could be nerfed slightly there. It really needs a cooldown per target once hit though so you can only take damage/debuffs from it every 8 seconds. Imo being able to be hit with 3+ at the same time is what makes it so broken. I have a pov of 3 blades proccing it on me in about the same gcd, it's tryhard af but it's just a no brainer to stack a whole group with it at this point and potential eat half or more of their hit points instantly just for hitting them with a light attack then kill the next person with the next burst of ez procs
Everyone has it its fun glass go boom
I'ma be real, I think people actually learned about that set from videos like this in the last couple days. It was bad before but just in the last few days it's turned into like half all people are wearing this. Including groups of like 6+ NB just stealth killing people outside of keeps. As a solo, it's insane to deal with now. But hopefully it's so bad that it gets addressed soon.
The set is fine on its own, which is why it should get a target cooldown.
Tarnished is ridiculous. Its the same way on Xbox-NA. Yesterday i was defending an outpost and i shit you not i went to set up the first oil and in the process i was simultaneously hit three times by it.
Well you need a set to combat ball groups!
The only nerf tarnished needs is it shouldn't proc from dots. I have no issue survivng tarnished gankers. It is always the zergs of tanky losers with saint and seducer and meta sorcs all ulti people on dark convergence procs.
I've yet to meet a nb that can beat me 3 out of 5 while running tarnished, vs my gourmand/clever/markyn/balorgh... but, they do get lucky, I can give them that.
I just came back this month and have been wondering what all that glass breaking is.😂
It doesn’t stop balls and tanks.
Before hearing you say it, I knew this was about tarnished nightmare. It is super annoying, yes.
Yes it is. Along with a whole lot of other things (ie nightblade two taps, over healing, damage extremely high, yet they extremely tanky, I don't understand pvp anymore)
The thing is, ZOS knows this. They know about the tank meta and everything else op or that generates complaints. They don’t care. They are either doing it for a reason which may not be evident for a year or two, or nobody will ever know why. Or they just don’t care. Im100% convinced that the people at ZOS who actually play the game are all dk or NB mains. They care about that
They ain’t going to listen! Wheeler hates his job🤣🤣🤣✌️
honestly trueeeeeeeeeeee
I've been running Swift and Crit Riposte just to put up a fight with Nb's smh. I was running impen Briarheart armor with 30k resistance and was getting hit with 11k Tarnished from nb's smh. Most ults doesn't even hit that hard and take longer than 8 seconds to build up.
They need to make HoT’s of the same kind not stackable. No one should have 8 instances of healing from the same skill just because it came from different players. That’s insanity.
Im sad about Ravenwatch once they added proc all I see is tarnished I don’t PvP anymore I was being casual in the wrong meta
As a mag sorc main, I’m surprised more ppl aren’t complaining about sorc. Like are people really okay with me being this untouchable? Can’t remember the last time I died in a 1v1 or even a 1v2 in gh. Like damn I kinda miss having to worry about the whole death mechanic thing in PvP
as a sorc myself, but stam. i dont think it bothers anyone, cause anyone can spam a shield over and over. most of the time i just avoid yall cause its boring as fuck. having to be carried by living in a bubble, is sad and lame. spamming hardened ward doesnt make you good, it just proves the shield is good lol. literally anyone can be a shield humper
@@itz.Hazeyy I mean it sounds like it bothers you lol
@@knowlen not really. you asked a question on a public comment section. and i answered
I can hear it proc in my dreams
I agree and dissagree. I agree and belive Tarnished being used as a ranged proc makes it problematic... Even though the damage is easily mitigated by blocking or completely diminished by a dodge. I think if using a staff/bow the proc should be x2 amount of time for proc chance. I don't see melee being an issue, a dodge every 8-10s when actively focusing on an enemy in your face; to mitigate the damage and proc conditions isn't an issue
Not only is it everywhere, the audio sfx is so annoying too
Yes
I feel like I'm getting assaulted by a glass door getting broken over my head every time
@@Sekaar Haha exactly, I started cyrodiil as a dps templar but nothing I did would help me survive tarnished spam and invis ganks.
I switched to a tank build and now my goal is to help the dps who were unfortuante enough to get hit by tarnished, not mention dark convergence
Tarnished damage isn’t that bad. What’s bad is the guaranteed aoe Sundered proc. Plus I bet the AoE damage portion is scaling off single target damage like Azure Blight… I think there are other things that need adjusting more than Tarnished
Yes, I agree but Hybridisation + CC stacking is a lot worse.
I run tarnished with rally cry on my stam sorc. And I love it. Don't be butthurt, just learn to mitigate and overcome it.
every single dingleberry is wearing tarnished nightmare and its all you can hear in pvp. i dont have a problem with people using the set, i have a problem with the sound it makes.
So this stupid stuck in combat glitch if there is any PvP in your radius even if your not involved it slots you in combat. Cheesemonger is my go to. It’s the worst sound effect in your ear, and NB’S forget about it there running 6 NB grps and just mount ganking. Unlike Scav Maw you can dodge that. PvP has been TARNISHED no pun attended VD Dark Convergence and Tarnished before these sets we actually could PvP’
Sekeer is 110 percent right he does not sugar coat anything he’s like me an old school player of skill and rotation. If you truly had no ego and wanted a true experience of what Sekeer is saying Ravenwatch or Imperial City no proc no go will make you be a skill player. Anyways thank you for saying what we all are thinking and as always you RIGHT ON POINT!
Didn’t they nerf this set already?? I see a lot less Tarnished now compared to last patch
Hm.. i see your valid point, a sets that's meta, op. But... i dont think thats the main issue.
if 3k pen is killing you just replace one of your pieces to heavy
I’m guessing you missed plague break and dark convergence lol. There’s always a set or two that everyone runs, especially if it’s a proc set
i look like the Aussie break dancer trying to dodge it....
There will always be over powered options in any pvp game mode. Destiny, call of duty, eso you name it.
I’ll take tarnished over the super tank meta though. Honestly there needs to be a lot of love put into pvp. I think if they put some more effort into it there would be less cheese. Wouldn’t eliminate all the cheese but would be less.
I agree 100%
this set is for noobs who can't kill fairly
this set must be really good nerf
it's 1000% cancer and Teso must make it disappear.
Who actually is the combat lead? What do they main?
they dont even play the game xD ive heard could be fake news