Poorman's Power Steering on a JD
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- Thanks To Zippo Varga for this idea. I had to modify his idea to make mine work.
Let me know if 30 minutes is too long for a video.
Here are the part links.
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30 minutes is never too long for a video when it's got the content!! A tip for when you're short on spindle height when assembling. Take an angle grinder and take off some material off the top of the axle tube that the spindle goes through. That's if you can't get the snap ring on otherwise. I'm glad this worked on the Deere!! And, it's an inexpensive alternative to adding power steering eh? Cheers my good Man! Sean~
A cheap old flat file will do a nice job if you don't have an angle grinder.
Thanks. I didn't want to change the factory shape if the spindle. But I did think about it. Still might. Very easy to do and I only need 1/16 of an inch.
A note to James. I have 4 angle grinders. Flapdisk, cutter, wire brush and a 1/4 inch grinding wheel. I don't have to change disks.
Good tip Zip.
(Zippo! I've been trying to reach you. I'm now trying any Site where you might follow up and read Replies. Your e-mail address doesn't work.)
I also viewed ZippoVarga's video and tried this method on my Snapper 14.5 HP Briggs & Stratton garden tractor. With the smallest thrush washers and thinner snap ring, I was able to achieve the correct combination to ensure a tight fit.
Thanks to ZippoVarga and Bruce for making these upgrade videos.
So cool
This is a great idea and the obvious solution to solve the extremely hard steering issue on my lawn tractor. Thanks for doing this video!
You bet!
Your attitude toward difficulty is inspirational.
Thanks a lot Jay
I have a 185 John deere and it has always steered hard from the day it was new. Wife got it when it was a year old. After seeing this I may give it a try. Thanks for the video.
You can go wrong. They come apart very easy.
Your comment was “I was in the house”, I thought you weren’t allowed there and lived in the garage! Excellent videos, keep them coming I learn so much.
I am aloud in there. haha
Great idea from a great guy. Thanks for sharing.
You bet
Notching that top thrust washer to allow the grease in, excellent! Needle greasing the tie rod pivot areas, under the rubber boot, a great addition that's usually forgotten. Excellent video!
This was 3 years ago and it is still working.
A Teflon washer will work just as well on the spindle to reduce steering effort.
good idea
:-)
But How Long will it work before the weight destroys it?
Thanks Bruce for another great video, I have saved many road side (free) mowers with your excellent tutorials !!! Greetings from Taxachusetts, USA
Well we all pay a lot of taxes but I like paved roads to. haha
Great video Sir; I just put these on a Craftsman (MTD) lawn tractor I had to modify the left side axle as the "spring" washer retainer wouldn't fit (drilled and tapped for SS 1/4"-20 x 3/4" loc-tite and fender washer) the difference is amazing and it should take load off the crappy steering gear assembly. Thanks for the idea and the video.
Dan
Thanks for watching. It is great mod that I do not take credit for. As you know.
I ground down the top of the cast flashing on the axle of my D110, now the top washer and clip fit. Just a 1/16 extra needed.
Yes mine was close. I used a skinnier clip.
Thanks for the video. I’m currently replacing my front axle with one from a bone yard since the one on the tractor was bent when I got it. Perfect opportunity to try this mod.
Good luck!
I have the bearings just been to lazy to install on my 716 Allis Chalmers . Good job Bruce.
With the Chalmers you should be able to use the 60th washers.
Those ratchet wrenches are sweet!!! Nice job on the bearings. I should try that on my Husky!!!
Here is Zippo's work on the simplicity.
ruclips.net/video/WaKvtKri7gc/видео.html
I believe that the grease would squeeze past the top washer onto your needle bearing without making your notches In the washer.
When I grease it I hold a rag hard against the top so i see it come out the bottom. Thanks Good point
The reason your steering was So tight was because your spindles were as dry as a popcorn fart. I grease the ones on my Snapper SPX about once a month. I also grease the wheel spindles at the same time with EP2, extreme pressure 2 grease. I was also taught to clean off the ends of grease fittings with a rag before I put a grease gun on them to keep dirt from being pushed into the bearing. That's old school preventative maintenance 101.
Right I get it I am old too. Of course i wouldn't push dirt into a grease nipple. If i showed everything no one would watch as the subject of the video would be too small.
Like your videos and humour Bruce. Especially now that I saw your Princess Auto snap rings eh.
Keep making them please. I find them very helpful my fellow Canadian.
Cheers.
Right on Thanks for watching.
Is it possible to do a similar upgrade on a troy-bilt bronco riding mower? Thanks.
I would have to have one come in Sorry.
It would be nice idea to sand spindle with, 220 to 400 grit sand paper, that in its self will free up the turn a bit.
That is a great idea
Get you a steering knob. I don’t know how I lived without mine
Thanks Walter. When i get my snow-blower I surely will.
Bruce Pender they really take the work out of turning. I’ve had the John Deere TY26583 for 2 years and it’s holding up great
Great video Bruce really good tips and tricks
Thanks Brandon
Great video Bruce as usual and 30 minutes and longer is great and enjoyed every minute
Thanks Hunter1953
Great job and great vid!! Thanks!!!
Hey, I bought a spinknob for 16 @Lowes, clamps on steering wheel. add a inch of lever and grip comfort 500%.
I think I will try that.
I never heard of poor man's power steering. That tractor is not too heavy, so it is interesting that it was that difficult to steer. Come to think of it I had some tractors here about 2 years ago and people wanted the craftsman tractors rather than the John deere because they steer easy and a much tighter radius. It was about a 2006 lt 100 series JD.
Mine are both older. The 180 was the stiffest and it is a 1985 and the LX178 is 1998 I think Almost new.
Nice job Bruce! This is pretty much the same set up the golf carts I work on have. With a thrust washer and wave washer. No washer with bearings though. Be careful it may turn too easy now!
I hope so. I have the JD178 to do when the snow is gone
I still don’t find the info on the bearings. Please Thanks Ron
This may help. I did not use Amazon and the video was made a few years ago
Great set up for the steering. Nice job Bruce!
Thanks as always.
Oh and was watching one of your earlier videos, and am going to pick up a Irwin wood vise, I like how it holds things tight but not to tight.... Tks for the heads up.
I use that thing everyday but not for wood haha
Bruce Pender yeah it looks very handy.
Bruce Pender what size is that vise, 6"?
Yes An England 3. Which I think is a 6 inch. I am in the house right now.
That's a nice fix...it's one of those where you wonder why they didn't do it at the factory. My only concern would be debris getting into the bearing and eventually grinding it out, maybe some kind of rubber boot would sort that.
Zippo Varga did this about 5 years ago and his is still going strong. That is where I got the idea.
It takes a lot for me too get a belly laugh........... but I almost fell out my chair when you grabbed that hot washer and chunked it QUICK ........
Thanks for the laugh Mon Ami ~!~!
Ok laugh at my pain I do too haha
I did this on my d140, doesn’t steer any easier, what did I do wrong ?
is it a series like my 180 or and older model than 1986
Trust me, there is no stiffer steering than my MTD 990. I have to try this though. Nice job. 👍
Give it a try. it helped me.
@@BrucesShop Thank you Sir
Great idea. I'm going to do this on my old tractor. A 30 minute video is not to long for me Bruce. Enjoy every minute of them.
OK thanks
Where do you get the needle bearings at
In the comments
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Thanks for the parts links. Garbage I wish Motion out in Alberta could have found these for me when I asked!!!!!!
Did you get what you need?
@@BrucesShop Ya, its on its way. I think they said four weeks out. Thanks for the vid.
Great video. I have a question I hope you can answer considering this video is years old. My 2006 JD x300 has a plastic bushing about 5/8 thick where you placed your needle bearings. So, would I put the needle bearing under this? Thanks in advance
I am sorry. I am not sure. How is that fr a dumb answer.
Does the. Bearing face down on the spidel
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@@larrywitmer3394 I'm not sure if you're trolling me or not ha
@@d-pump8017 I just need to know if the bearing goes down towards the spindle or up . Please
Good video bruce look forward to the next adventure now u have power steering on the JD
Would you believe i will be ploughing snow tomorrow!!!!
Bruce Pender this weather i cant figure out :(
If I have time I will video it. Family time this weekend.
You did not need to put the notch on the washer. The grease will still flow into the bearing running down the shaft. The fit is not that tight to stop it. The notch you made is now something the needle bearing will rub on.
Thanks
That is a Great mod using the bearings......Good thing you was not flying down the highway with that broken snap ring holding on the wheel
Yes maximum speed 6 miles and hour.
Thanks for sharing bruce. I have a couple of LX series tractors I may do this too. Have a great weekend. God Bless!!!
Yes my other one is an LX178. Liquid cooled twin. A little hot rod that one.
Yes I know it well I have one and an LX176 The 178's are a little beast for there size
They were both given to me as non running because it is $120 an hour at the dealer for repairs. (Canadian)
Hello mr bruce, I am in Need of ideas how and where do I sell the mowers and stuff i find and repair ,how do you do it?
We use Facebook local buy and sell And Kijiji which is like Crag's List. Of course word of mouth. All my neighbours get a free repair once a year.
Cool mod Bruce, I'll try it on my older Craftsman GT6000. Of course you know that it is the sworn duty of every C clip and E clip or spring steel fastener to fly across the shop only to be found 8 to 10 years later. ;-)
You are so right. They just fly!!!
I also use this idea on some steering wheel shafts.
OK I might do that to my John Deere 180 It was rolled years ago and the shaft is stiff too. Thanks Bob.
Great idea Bruce. My only fear is that the grinding to allow grease flow has damaged the needle bearing surfaces. Maybe a safer alternative would be to extend the shaft groove a little to allow grease to flow that way. Hopefully, it is a long term fix for you. thanks Bruce.
I thought about it. Zippo did his 4 or 5 years ago and it is still going strong. Thanks for the great comment. It all helps.
Yeah, they was my first thought as well. Hard to tell from the video but I assumed the bearings must be rolling right over the grease gap that was cut. Maybe it doesn't matter. The needle bearings are still spinning even if the ring itself is not?
Great test , It was easy to turn .....because you were not sitting on the mower !!!
It does work. These are hard to steer tractors. A lot of guys have this issue with the 160-185 series.
Great video. 30 minutes is just fine Bruce.
Thanks. I am not sure if I should do a part 1, part 2 or put them into 1 video. I will still do both depending on the flow of the video.
can you send me info so I can order a set...???
It was a long time ago This may help I just googled thrust bearing and washer. Use google when you can to start your search
www.amazon.ca/uxcell-Assembly-16-inches-12000rpm-Limiting/dp/B07VLLJVLF/ref=lp_11850830011_1_3
Where can you get the bearing can find nothing in your post
In the on this video comments you will see this. Here
www.motioncanada.ca/productDetail.jsp?sku=00094587
ruclips.net/user/redirect?v=Kc2-259SgQ8&event=video_description&q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.motioncanada.ca%2FproductDetail.jsp%3Fsku%3D05073754&redir_token=Ulgl1T5r4-raID1czQ17fZ6iPbF8MTU4NjU3MDMzN0AxNTg2NDgzOTM3
Nice job! You spent about 10 minutes on grinding a washer for grease. I would recommend grinding the washer off camera with the tool that worked correctly and then turn camera on and show us how you do it.
I wanted to show how hard that little devil was.
great job bruce
Thanks EB
What has this to do with power steering . I did fast forward a little, I may have missed the power steering part 😳
It is called poor mans power-steering because you add a few bearings to help it steer not spend a thousand dollars. Like poormans air-conditioning when you roll down the car window. (humour)
@@BrucesShop 😪
great video Bruce what size and where can I get your bearings thanks
Those are in the comments. The 3/4 inch shaft is the key.
Thank you
You are welcome
You could always grind some of the tube off the top a little to fit your snap ring.
You are right. I didn't want to modify the factory piece. Thanks though next time I would.
worked for me...La 145 ....thanks
That is so cool. Thanks
A good idea for my LX176. It steers pretty easy anyway if everything is lubed up but this would make it even better. Do you part numbers for the pieces and where did you get them? Happen to know the number to a teflon washer that would work?
There info in the comments.
How about a link to where these bearings can be purchased?
There is a link in the comments just below the screen. I may not be the exact match for you but these links will steer you in the right direction . These are Canadian Links
Thank you, Mr. Bruce. I apologize to you, sir. I was viewing the video on my phone and it did not show this. I see it now on my pc. Great video, by the way.
Bruce Pender can’t locate part number of bearing
I have to do this to my cub. I bought a grease needle about a month ago but I haven't used it yet
You will. Those little ball joints with no access.
We inherited a 185 a few years ago and this looks like a great modification. I've always thought the steering was hard. Where could I find those bearings and thrust washers? Would they be at a normal hardware store? Can you be specific about sizes?
There are comments in the area just below the picture which may help.
Bruce Pender I didn't see that! Thanks.
chrome valve caps will help it steer better too,lol. it does make a difference,i have done it to 2 of my Simplicitys
I am sure they would help :-)
You try to give the video more brightness it will be great if you do
I send this to people who criticise and don't make videos.
Well I understand. However, you are not watching a Steven Spielberg production. I went to your channel and noticed you have not made any videos. So, I will make you a deal!!! I will make sure I improve my videos and at the same time I want you to make one video of something you like. I will watch it and enjoy your effort. This is a very difficult thing to do on a budget as there is only one person producing the entertainment. There is no one else doing this. Including----- Ideas, Filming, Production and Editing, Sound and Lighting. I hope you enjoy my other productions and I truly want you to enjoy my other videos.
Bruce Pender
A Retired Guy Making Videos.
That spindle shaft might turn a lot easier if you cleaned off the rust on it and greased it once in a while with EP2.
It felt a lot smoother than it looked. I grease it every year. I think you should start making videos. It is tougher than it looks. Even just do a service of a lawn mower. You will learn a lot (not about lawn mowers) but of video production.
Wondering why you didn't clean the rust off the kingpin before putting the grease on and installing it? It looked rusty from here in Minnesota. I love the idea and have forwarded your video to a friend of mine who was asking about power steering for his riding mower. I am going to try this on my rider as well. Thanks for sharing.
I wasn't pitted at all. Thanks Mr. Shade
Mr. Pender, always enjoy your videos. What brand of ratcheting wrenches do you have?
Gearwrench. Sold by Mastercraft.
why not grind top so you can use washer under clip
I will but at first i didn't want to change the factory piece.
GREAT VIDEO . HERE ARE PARTS NUMBERS FROM MC MASTER CARR 5909k33 cage. And 5909k46 washer . Thanks
Thanks I thought I had that in the comments.
You said "everything is a challenge." My motto is "it's always something." Great video. Where did you get the bearings?
Wow There should be a link here
www.motioncanada.ca/products/sku/05073754
www.motioncanada.ca/products/sku/00094587
My jd 185 is hard steering from the day it new. Have it all apart, cleaned every thing and regreased it all and still no improvement.
This made all the difference. I had mine out with the snow blade yesterday on and I can steer it with the palm of my hand. I would recommend this modification. .
This Punk likes the 30 min videos :-)
OK. More to come. A bit less editing for me. Tak
Thanks for your video. I have a L130 jd that I will do that as well. Also I noticed you have a chain hoist on your ceiling. Would you tell me about that and maybe do a video? I would like to put one in my workshop.
OK I will
kool thanks bruce new you could do it ... †
power steering ? I miss it, whaaaat power? arm strong??
It is the roller bearings at the bottom of the spindle. To much fast forward????
Nice work Son. I am going to do this upgrade really soon. The factory set up is rubbish, as usual. Would it have killed JD to place a thrust washer and some front wheel bearings instead of crappy bushings that destroy the spindles. Arrghh !
I know. Thanks for joining in.
using two different types of grease will be a problem..... they may react with each other and become a sticky mess
We will see. Thanks I will keep an eye on it.
I am checking this one today. It has been 7 months now Maybe a video if I have an issue. I did my other john Deere yesterday. Thanks for your input.
Ok ladies and gentlemen, the voice talents of Bruce Little... Great video as always.
IF Not Enough Space, You Could Drill and Tap the Upper part of the Spindle...Then Use a Flat Washer and bolt to Lock it Down.........just saying...
Thanks. You know!!
Check your plastic bushing on the steering shaft. Hard steering is usually bad gear teeth and gear plate teeth. The plastic bushing wears out causing the steering shaft to move tilting the drive gear crooked grinding away the teeth on the gear plate. You're wasting your time > fix the real problem.
I see have never made a video. Give it a try. By the way this made a huge difference I used the tractor yesterday in a cold snap up here in Canada it was -22 C. Things are usually stiffer in the cold
thx bruce great vid
use 4 1/2 grinder on top and you can have more clearance
Right I didn't want to take away the factory shape. Thanks though.
Nice jd
Thanks. I have had it for 6 years.
Bruce Pender nice how many cylinders does the engine have?
This one is 1 cylinder my LX178 is a liquid cooled twin.
Bruce Pender Cool! that is a kohler right?!
I wish I had a tractor. Even a hard steering tractor...
There are a lot of non running tractors out there (cheap). Even put an add out on the local new or add board.
that will make steering a lot easier,, I had one JD that didn't have removable steering knuckles I like to never got that thing freed up, that one was a very poor design.
This one came apart so easy. My other one is almost exactly the same.
Have you ever tried to watch one of your video's? You move too much when you're trying to show something.
Sorry Maybe you caught me on a bad day
Well I understand. However, you are not watching a Steven Spielberg production. I went to your channel and noticed you have not made any videos. So, I will make you a deal!!! I will make sure I improve my videos and at the same time I want you to make one video of something you like. I will watch it and enjoy your effort. This is a very difficult thing to do on a budget as there is only one person producing the entertainment. There is no one else doing this. Including----- Ideas, Filming, Production and Editing, Sound and Lighting. I hope you enjoy my other productions and I truly want you to enjoy my other videos.
Bruce' Shop
A Retired Guy Making Videos.
Bruce you will need another way to work on those biceps Nice job
Did you see me shaking on the left side steering nut. Whew.
I notice you’ve had Some Video Editing done. That’s wonderful. More RUclips producers NEED to do editing. In particular, MAKING IT SHORTER. SKIPPING THE UNNECESSARY PARTS. You too could improve in this respect. For example, you don’t have to hold something in front of the camera for five seconds. IF we want to see it longer than half a second, we can hit “Pause.” I’d bet this 29:38-minute video could Easily be reduced to five minutes.
At the 8:20 minute point (and elsewhere) you are concerned about whether the thrust washer is too thick. That wouldn’t be an issue at all. All you need to do is grind some of the vertical (Pipe) away to MAKE ROOM.
WHERE do you buy your thrust washers? Boca Bearings is the best I’ve found so far, but they don’t have enough choices.
... Above all, THANK YOU for a brilliant solution!
Yes I have been reluctant to modify a factory piece is all . Thanks
@@BrucesShop: I want to restate my PRAISE of your simplest of solutions. I bought bearings from two sources and waited to see which arrived first. I have to shave 1/16th inch off the vertical, but I did that at the TOP. I believe any errors in not have a perfect 90-degree cut isn't as relevant there. I used to NOT be able to move the steering wheel when parked, even using both hands. Now I can move it easily with one hand.
@@bigsmiler5101 I am going to shave a bit off the top of both tractors. thanks
The notches you ground into the thrust washers, to allow grease into the bearings, was not at all worth the benefit you imagined. Grease the bearing by hand when you are putting things together. Then hit the spindle with a grease gun. Watch the grease squeezing out all over the place. That will show you just what a waste of time grinding notches in the washers was. Go watch the Steve Stoltz video on the same subject. Watch when he greases the spindle at the end of his assembly. See clearly what I mean.
Thanks Dan Great comment I will check it out. The job did help with the stiff steering on my John Deere 180. The john Deere LX178 it made a bit of a difference. My 180 had been rolled at one time before I got it . Great conversation.
Wonfer if u drill a few hole if that would work to let some grease on to bearing
I got a set of those wrenches, too. Amazing how much time was wasted in the past. I had an older set of Harbor Freight ones but these are far and away superior. Thanks for the heads up on those Bruce! Just as an aside; I don't think Clint Eastwood is in much danger!!!
I have a "beginner set" of the ratchet wrenches to. They are a combo set (3/8 and 7/16 on the same wrench)
Any worries the dissimilar greases will coagulate? Great job!
I don't think so. Like I said it isn't the shuttle. I was waiting for a comment though thanks!!!
I am checking this one today. It has been 7 months now Maybe a video if I have an issue. I did my other john Deere yesterday. Thanks for your input. I also did this comment on Steve's comment below.
I just did a grease compatibility video. thanks for the idea.
Since I have a John Deere that is difficult to steer I decided to give this a try. It cost about $13 but made little or no difference. I ever removed the wheel bushings and installed wheel bearings. Still steers difficultly. I cannot recommend.
OK Thanks
Painfull to watch.....
OK
30 minute video for a 10 minute job, ????
I am sure it took me more than 10 minutes. I went to your channel and did not see any videos. i will watch one and be kind with my comments if you do.