How to Reseal a Massey Ferguson Power Steering Pump
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2016
- This is a how to reseal a Massey Ferguson power Steering Pump. The pump we are sealing is a Plessey brand pump but the basics are the same for most gear type pumps.
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Thanks for this. Your vids are my 'go to' when it is time to fix one of the old tractors. Clear and well made presentations every time. Best regards from Eastern Canada
Thanks 👍
Spot on video, Bundy. Thanks very much. Not only did this really help be get the fix done, but diagnosing the mysterious loss of fluid into the sump was invaluable. Thanks again, mate.
Glad it helped
Thanks for your thorough professional tips and explanations of how the components are meant to work and potential problems with assuming that the shop bought/online products will always be ok. Cheers, Gaz
Sadly they are not, we try and sort out the rubbish for our customers but the odd thing gets through.
Very helpful!! I thought I knew what I was doing, but this video and your easy manner of narration were really helpful in getting the job done right. Thanks very much! My Massey Ferguson 285 is also grateful 😊
Glad it was helpful!
Great job of repairing a pump. I enjoyed the visit. I am so inspired now that I would do one myself but I am a bit short on tractors. Keep on keeping on.
Just go and buy one Harrold, then you can fix the pump on it. And buy a big farmers hat.
great job love your videos keep them coming thanks
This is what a call a masterpiece...Congratulations and thanks a lot from Argentina.
Our pleasure!
best video I found on Massey Ferguson power steering pump, thank you very much .
You are welcome!
Glad this was here!!
I have to do this to my 69 165...
I appreciate it!
Glad I could help
G day Lance, very interesting video. I don't have a tractor but enjoy watching your videos.
Best little how to vid i ever watched. A 1 job.a big thank you. :-)
Thanks Paul.
good video, cant wait to see the new press in action
I'm just about to have a go on a mf 265, which I think is the same pump, very good video explained every thing. Thank you from Wales.
Good luck!
These videos are so helpful. Thanks so much.
Glad you like them!
Great video, thanks for sharing. Im hoping to get a fergie shortly for my back yard.
This is great, you are a class act mate!
Thanks Simon, I hope it helped
A well explained procedure. I am planning on moving to Bundie some time this year so be extra careful when crossing the roads :)
G Day Den, Bundy is a good place to live, we have done well here but we have worked our arses off. come and say G Day when you get here.
Will do mate I am one of those shocking woodwork people but have a love for tractors too...
Excellent explanation. Enjoyed it. Thank U.
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for video really well presented, I would love to see reinstating it in tractor. 👍
Tractor is long gone now.
Thanks Lance, I know that front end was a Tw 10 and the rest was a miss mash of other tractors sent to Ozzie by the poms as more punishment and assembled In Australia. Thanks mate an I will follow your advice. I hope I have a mechanical aptitude as I am a diesel fitter but no experience at all with tractors. Regards Huey
Very detail and helpful thank you
Thanks for watching!
Thanks Lance! The power steering pump is scary to look at. Feel better about it now!
Nothing too much in there eh.
Great video! Thank u
Thankyou.
Thank you for Good shoving Change packning and filter 👌🧙♂️👨🌾
Our pleasure!
Easy sitting down job. I always liked those kind when they came in.
Got an old F-20 on steel sitting out in back but I don't believe it has a power steering pump. ;)
Good video!!
Mike
Thanks Mike, Yeah sit down jobs are good from time to time, No I would be suprised if your F20 had one but never say never.
very clear - thanks
You're welcome!
Hi there, i have watced sevral of your videos they are briliant.
thank you.
Thanks, Glad you enjoy them and hopefully they encourage you to have a go at your own repairs.
Yes i.v leared a lot and got answers to lots of things i didnt know.
Thank you very much. I,l bee looking into more of your videos in the future.
:-)
Excellent video.. thanks.. de-mystified power steering pumps for me!
G Day Duncan, Thanks for watching
Very helpful 👍
Glad it was helpful!
I hate circlips! Thanks for sharing.
Thank you,just finished my resealing of my 5610 ford power steering pump ,following your skills step by step, tag on my pump was E0NN-3K514CB using seal kit from ford new holland / CNH IDUSTRIALRIAL PN.DHPN3A674B ,$ 90.00 us save me big money, thanks again for your videos, 👍
Glad it worked out.
thank u sir u did a very nice job
You are welcome
I re-sealed the pump and it's working again - thanks for the help. It has shown up other problems in the system. The previous owner welded (or braised) the steering shaft to the bracket that connect the shaft to the ram, and also welded the pin that holds the ram to the body of the tractor over on the far left (looking in towards the rad from the front). This last weld has broken and the pin is only sitting in place (not secured in any way). There plenty of play in the steering shaft and the ram/pin so I have no chance of adjusting the actuator mechanism to work both ways. I think I need to replace the whole front axle casting to solve the ram/pin issue and maybe also the play in the shaft. What do you think?
G day John, Replacing the housing would be expensive, I would look at brazing the housing if possible. Thats if it is sensible to do so without having a look.
Thanks for your helpful videos! I'm just finishing doing the same job on a similar but different Plessey pump on my MF188. All went well until I started to tighten up the bolts, any more than just snug and the shaft gets very hard to turn and feels like the pump gears are binding up. I have looked more than once and can't find anything wrong. How hard should the driven shaft be to turn after it's all buckled up? How much torque should the bolts have? Thanks for your help!
G Day If the pump is too tight to turn there is possibly an o ring in the wrong place. the bolts should be around 35ft/lb for a 3/8 or 10mm bolt. Before nipping the pump up the last bit start turning it by hand and it may help lining up the bearings better, just a long shot. It is hard to tell you exactly what is wrong without having it in my hands.
Good information
Thankyou.
thanku sir
there is also leakage in shoker can it be repaired
Hi Lance yet another great vid, could you please tell me where you get your little sqiggy oil cans from?
Sparex, part number S.4243 for the 250ml and S.30145 for the 500ml
Hi Bundy. Great video. This inspired me to take a look at my Massey Ferguson 175 power steering pump. The tractor is very difficult to turn and needs oil added occasionally. This pump has been taken apart before by someone else--it has the punch marks already in place--and the middle section of the pump is a brighter silver color. My pump is different. Instead of having a replaceable cartridge filter inside the reservoir canister there is a small screen which is attached by what I presume is 1/2 inch pipe thread. Also there is another device in there that is attached by the same type thread that has "relief" printed on the pump housing. The seal looks good, and I can see nothing obviously wrong with the pump itself. The O ring set is different and there are a couple of copper-looking flat pieces on either end of the gears. I should probably replace the seal and O ring and whatever else you think before re-assembling it. Do you know what seat kit this pump takes? Another issue with this pump is that the fill plug threads are about worn out-- I have to be careful not to over-tighten it and strip more threads. Thanks again for your great videos.
Ed (using my wife Mary's account). Oregon
Thanks Mary. No Im not sure of the kit you need as it sounds quite different to ours.
Thanks enjoyed the video . I have a massey 180 looks like same pump . Steering is failing hope it is as simple as resealing 😁
Fingers crossed!
Hi Lance...noticed your phone just in front of your vice....whenever i pull something apart i use my phone to take a happy snap of the different stages of tare down...as they say...a picture is worth a thousand words and makes reassembly less confusing if you refer to the pics on your phone.
Another good vid from you.
Cheers.
Thanks Mike, I do the same, it can be very handy at times.
Thankuuuu
Great video / I will apply your "skills" to my ford 5610 power steering pump rebuild, Do you have any tips on a 5610 power steering pump, they no longer make this unit and theres lots of after market pumps out there at a heavy price tag, my pump works great just a few leaks bleeding into oil pan witch is a big concern , I have a seal kit for this pump $90.00 just trying to save a factory pump befor going to a cheaper aftermarket pump ,Thanks again for you skills,
The new seal kit may work for a while but in the long run it depends on the wear in the pump. Pump wear generates heat and that is what makes the seals go hard just as old age will so if you fit the kit and it doesnt last all that long the aftermarket pump is the way to go buy nothing wrong with trying the kit first it may work out well.
nice..now i can go aut and fix my mf b-50 digger/loader...it have drinking stering oil for some years...old dry hardnenet simmerings/teightings..its a 1974 modell..basis is a mc 165..good video..i give a beer if you komes to denmark!!
Well having a beer in Denmark seems like it would be fun. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Thank you so much for this video. I had my New Holland 5030 pump leaking into the crankcase. I replaced the front end seal but eventually lost steering power. It was hard before changing the seal, I thought it was the oil loss. Oil no longer escaping but there is no pumping pressure. What could be the problem now? Can I try replacing the other seals?
Check you relief valve has not got something stuck in it and the filter is clean.
Thanks. I will check and come back to you.
hllo sir i am from india
i have 245 power stering bt i doesn't work maye be fault of grari can it buy new
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Hi Lance, I've just done my Plessey Pump using the Sparex kit suitable for it, but I've got an issue as the pump doesn't turn freely when the 4 bolts are tightened down. As long as the bolts are only hand tight it turns nicely, but when I tighten them down the two guides in which the gears turn are squeezed together and block the gears, because of the inner O-rings push on them. Without the gear on I can't turn it by hand. The O-Rings seem to have good protrusion, it doesn't seem to be too much (~ 0,2-0,3 mm)
Did you also have this issue? Is it normal to be as tight before the O-Rings get warm for the first time and maybe settle down?
Thanks in advance.
G Day Tim, With the new kit there is no way you can turn by hand, the o rings put side pressure on the gears to stop internal leakage. Make sure it has plenty of oil in it to lubricate the pump at start up. You usually do need a spanner on the gear to get them to turn when they are in good condition.
@@BundyBearsShed hi Lance, thanks for your answer, I'll give it a try 👍
Thanks. Got a MF 275 to do.
Good luck
What size are your 90 degree adapters that attach to the metal lines going to the cylinder? I am having problems getting metal lines for my Massey165 because they are standard pitch thread, and I can only find metric threads at the hydraulic shops.
9/16" un from memory.
Thank you Sir, I really appreciate your videos, they have helped me tremendously restoring our 165.
Hi Lance I live near Kingaroy and own a Ford 8401. I know that a lot of cane farmers used them as haul out tractors. The wiring has been cut and joined and is a mess. New Holland is not interested in helping so could you tell me where to find a wiring diagram. Love the vids, Regards Huey
G Day Huey, Im pretty sure the 8401 would have a very similar wiring diagram to a TW series tractor. We do have an IT manual for sale for around $80 (part no ITF045) that covers the TW range that might be of help.
Give Ross a ring on 1300 850 097 and he could arrange one to be sent to you. The manuals are not as good as the genuine ones and they presume you have some mechanical aptitude but I have used them and got by with no problems.
Hi Lance, Excellent videos. I have a Massey Ferguson 35 on which the dynamo was replaced with an alternator. In doing so the tractormeter cable was removed . How can I connect a new cable ? Many Thanks , Martin Hatch , Cavan Ireland
G Day Martin, Some alternators have an electric tacho pick up in the back. Did yours have the Delco generator?
Hi Lance, I have no idea if it had a delco generator. The tractor was modified already when I bought it. Parts removed include lift pump, second fuel filter and tacho cable. It starts and drives fine, Martin Hatch.
What kind of yellow oil you use to mound and it red something also?
Whatever you use in the transmission will work fine.
This is off topic because I'm asking about using a machine before getting into needed pump unit service, repair, or replacement. I just bought an MF65 diesel. I noticed steering assist was not working on the initial test. The owner was never unaware of this so it has likely been in this state already during several years of his ownership and before. He had used the tractor regularly, but not prolonged heavy use. I found there was no fluid visible in the reservoir. So it seems there is a good chance the pump is already too damaged to repair. I intended to put fluid in, try to detect leaks, and drive it the 30 miles home. I thought I could get my urgently needed mowing done now and deal with the steering issue when I have more time and better information.. I posted about this on a vintage tractor web site and was advised of the risk of damage to injector drive components from a damaged pump.
I'd still like to carry out my plan except, also add regular stops on the trip home to add fluid for lubrication. And, when I get there, remove the steering pump if possible before mowing to remove that risk of damage to the drive components.
I'm asking you if it might be possible to do that. I assume it would be desirable to fashion a dust cover for the resulting opening in the injector pump case, but don't know if the steering pump is adding structural support. Also don't know yet the procedure for separating the pumps. a link to an online manual would be helpful.
Maybe after what the pump has apparently gone through it needs to be replaced. I see options on offered on ebay and wondered about the reliability of the various options.
Topping up along the way might help but if it is worn out it will possibly keep it cool at least.
My massey ferguson 165 tractor with a 203 engine, I replaced a new seal on the shaft and it still leaking oil in the engine. It force out the seal out of the shaft. What advice u can give me. Thanks.
It sounds like your pump is very worn or there is a ring in the wrong place.
Great video!! How can I find information about this power steering seal kit? I’d like to know if it would work on my older tractor. It’s a 1996 Tafe 45Di. Made in India.
Not that I know of
Bundy Bears Shed any idea where I can find a kit for that kind of steering pump?
After watching your video i open pump after closing the pump it doesn't rotate what type of fault may be occur may be houseing interchange
loosten the bolts and turn it as you tighten it sometimes that helps.
I have a MF 165 Perkins 212 engine tractor. Bought it reasently.&. I repaired the power steering pump.and fixed new filter too like the one which was already there.(paper filter with a steel outer . like the one you have in your video)
But when I started it did not work.
I checked the oil lines, checked the jack, the valve and I checked the oil pressure too, and found the pressure was week,
Finally I found out that the filter is not draining enough oil to the jack to move.
Then l got rid of the paper filter and fixed a steel mesh filter (like the one in the hidrolic pump.)
Now the pump & steering work s well.
So please let me know whether the steel filter is the correct one or the paper filter.(like the one in your video.thanks.
It shouldnt mater, different companies make the filters differently.
My Massey Ferguson 175 has the same or a similar pump. The steering has become very difficult. I have added oil, and it disappears but doesn't help the steering. Do you think that pump could be repaired?
G Day Mary, It seems like the pump is leaking the oil into the engine, normally it is a new pump I have found from experience but pull your old one apart and have a look as you have nothing to loose by doing so first.
Thanks for your expertise. I really enjoy your videos.
You did a great on . But where is the best place to get the rebuild kit at here in N.C.
It
Hard to say where you are, try going to the Sparex web site and do a dealer search.
I adjusted the turn buckle both ways and I can get power steering to the left and to right but can't get it so both will work. I get it right in the middle and power steering don't work either way. I don't know whats up with it?
It sounds like you have too much wear in the holes and the pins in the end of the turn buckle. Drill them out to 3/16 and fit new bolts, It sounds like you are not getting enough valve travel.
My Massey 175 has had a small power steering leak for a year or so. Was out bush hogging today and when I parked the tractor, there was a clear fluid leaking out from under the tractor just behind the radiator. Cannot find where it's coming from, any idea's? I checked the pump and it seems dry around it and could not see a leak on the line any place.
G day Jamie, Clear fluid can be from the back end, Is there a line to a cooler from the transmission going up that way?
Hey Lance I have a 70’s model Massey Ferguson 185. Seeking some assist in diagnosis with the steering problem. Steering feels loose. Steers to quick in both directions and locks/drags when trying to steer. No visible leaks. Power steering fluid tank is full. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Regards Bernard.
Check the main big pivot pin in the front bolster for wear, that will do that.
@@BundyBearsShed Thanks so much for your reply will check it out.
Gday !! Lance , i got the steering moving , but i notice the pump is getting hot is this supposed to happen ?
No that can be a sign of cavitation from a worn pump
@@BundyBearsShed thanks,
Hi i redid my pump. Is the tank to have pressure in it when pumping , ? Also how do i bleed steering system ? I have a 2002 mf 290 4x4 please if u can help , i would be grateful
The pump should not have pressure in the tank, just oil circulating. To bleed just turn lock to lock a few times and most times they will self bleed.
how do you change the power steering pump belt on a MF702 with a front pump for the loader?
You need to unbolt the drive shaft to fit it
pls.. can u tell me what kind of hoses to be fiteded between the to pumps.
Pipes
The steering of my Massey Ferguson 3303 is hard to drive, the problem is the filter to change or eventually seals to repair?
The filter is the cheapest to do but do not forget to grease the front end well too.
Had my pump rebuilt & got it back on the tractor this evening. It's for sure has about 80%-90% better steering but still not fixed. I'm thinking it's the control valve adjustment on the steering column because I adjusted it, not knowing what I was doing. This was before I took the pump off trying to diagnose the steering problem.
Do you know the best way to adjust that control valve?
The turn buckle on the control valve adjusts the neutral, too much one way it will only steer one way and not the other so try to fine tune the turnbuckle. If it just has no power both ways the pump may just be worn out.
+Bundy Bears Shed
As long as it's sealed correctly, how does the pump wear out when it's gear driven? Just asking./
If the bearings/bushes wear a bit the gear moves to the side of the housing and gouges it out and the oil leaks from the extra internal clearance, if you can feel a groove in the main body from the gear it is probably worn.
+Bundy Bears Shed
Ok so I put the left power steering cylinder on the right side of the tractor and the right cylinder on the left side. It still has that resistance spot at times when turning to the right. The control valve has properly been adjusted. It would barely steer to the right before the pump got rebuilt. After rebuild, it made a huge difference in the steering. Steers a lot better but not exactly where it should be.
I'm gonna have to agree with you and say the pump is worn out. That's what everything is pointing towards now. Bad part is the pump for my 231 has been discontinued and there's not a single one available for my year model. What would you do my friend?
@@BundyBearsShed Can you just buy a housing main body?"
I can’t figure what p/s pump I have for Massey 255. No plate on it identifying it and trying to get seal kit. Looks like alloy reservoir on it. Any idea on kit number
The info I have has a steel reservoir so Im not going to be much help Im afraid. Bareco.com.au has an alloy pump though
How do we know for sure this is our tractors problem. No power steering now but there was still a lot of oil in the reservoir? Thanks!
G day Dianne, It may not need a seal kit, do you think it has a blocked filter?
We will check it out! Thanks for your prompt reply! We love your videos! Very helpful
Where did you get that sweet vise?
G Day Bob, It is just a cheap import, look up fabricated offset vise on Ebay
I came across a p.steering pump on my 390 that has some different looking seals. Can u identify the pump by the pic?
The tag isn't present so I can't tell the model etc.
email a pic to bubdybearsshed@gmail.com and I can try to identify it.
Hi , gday what would happen if u turn one bearing wrong suction to pressure, pressure to suction ?
No just reduced flow as the pump still turns the same direction.
thank u ,
What type of oil do u recommend to use in that pump?
Originally they used Dexron 3 which is still ok but now I use hydratrans in mine now which is transmission / hydraulic oil from a modern tractor
Ok thanks. In Guyana we get 68 hydraulic oil.what can cause the tractor steering to be tight at low rpm? Can it cause because the oil is too thick
Probably not, that is a sign of a worn pump.
Ok thanks...
I can't seem to find a three bolt gasket for between the pump and the engine block. There only appears to be a two bolt version - will this work with the three bolt pump?
Yes it is the same general job.
Thanks Lance, excellent video.
Great Video, I’ve got a 1977 mf 285 which it’s ps pump doesn’t use a filter cartridge, just wire strainer. Anyway, what is a good aftermarket rebuild kit my tractor. Thank You and keep those help videos coming.
My Massey 175 diesel turns good to the left but hangs up and power steering won't work turning right what causes that
G Day Waylon, If you look in behind the grille there is a small turnbuckle. Adjust that as that adjusts the valve travel.
too far one way and you will loose left and too far the other you will loose right steering.
you need to find the happy medium in the centre so the valve opens both ways.
Hello, , Lance. Indiana, USA. here 2020 .. You did not tell about what type or kind of oil to use ? As all Manufactures have there brand of oils .. But, when you got an older model and the company sold out in mid 80's I believe Agco, now for Massey Ferguson. Hell, I would use old cooking oil just to see if it works and builds pressure ! Thanks .. G day .... PATRICK
I use hydra trans, same as in the back end of a Ford or John Deere
@@BundyBearsShed Thanks ,, Lance.. G-Day
Something is going on with the steering on my 1998 Massey Ferguson 231 tractor. It has hard spots that wanna stop the wheel from turning mainly when you turn to the right. It will do it to the left also but not near as bad.
At idle it seems to steer fine but when the RPMs are up it struggles to steer.
Do you have an idea of what's going on? The tractor has 1,315 hours.
Thank You
You have a strange problem, usually it is when you rev the tractor it gets better when the power steering pump is worn.
The first thing I would look at is the power steering oil filter as with a blocked filter the more you rev an engine the more the pump will cavitate and at idle the pump can get enough oil through the filter to work correctly.
Check the filter and let me know how you go I would be interested, also check someone has not put a thick gear oil in there by mistake too if it has a seperate oil reservoir.
+Bundy Bears Shed
I put a new filter in. I can actually see oil coming out the holes of the filter with the fill/check plug out. The oil looks like it's being pumped thru the filter only a little, or not fast enough, or not enough pressure behind it. I'm not sure.
I don't remember the correct way to add the fluid. Stickers on the pump are worn off. Engine running? Engine killed? How to bleed air?
The pump I have is not like yours in the video.
Mine is the pancake looking pump.
Look up 231 Massey Ferguson power steering pump for a picture of you wish to view it.
I notice once the tractor gets hot the steering gets much worse. Even at idle.
How can I tell if the pump is bad or if 1 of the cylinders is bypassing internally? The left cylinder was re packed a couple years ago by a Massey dealer but the right cylinder hasn't been touched. I noticed the right cylinder rod is getting a little nasty looking oil on it now.
Thank You for trying to help!
If when hot the steering is worse it is a worn out pomp.
+Bundy Bears Shed
The pump is very hot to the touch also.
Are aftermarket pumps any good? Aftermarket is from $115-$160 and a pump from Massey is around $360. Big difference!
Would the pump be worth rebuilding?
231MasseyFerguson with the heat I would be pretty sure it is toast. After market ones are fine often come with warranty
hi mate i have mf 860 back hoe gear box oil going in to da engine oil...can you help me pls
does it have an engine driven hydraulic pump, if so I would look there.
I have searched everywhere and I can’t find a pump rebuild kit for my Massey Ferguson 65 does anybody know if I can use a 165 Power steering pump rebuild kit?
I wouldnt think so
After a lot of searching I found it does fit if you have the AD4.203 Diesel which is what mine is. Unfortunately I can’t get the bear co B6803 kit here in the US. Thanks for the response and great video.
What is the purpose of the valve on the pump?
To relieve pressure at max travel so the pump does not blow up.
I have power steering pump that is over heating and I can't seems to find the problem
distributor is repairable or not
Yes for sure.
can u provide for this video
is available in india
Probably
can u suggest some place in india
can u provide me video of repairing distributor
Not yet as I have not got one to work on at present.
Bundy Bears Shed
But as soon as possible
hello sir
how much time will require
8:49 something ran across the floor on the right.
Spider by the look of it.
sir it is new available
Yes these pumps are available from Sparex brand new which is often a good option.
Sir how can be bought it
I should get a tractor.
Everyone should have a tractor of two, or three
A bit of rag?! lol
pls.. can u tell me what kind of hoses to be fiteded between the to pumps.
Pipes normally.