@tricksterjoy9740 That's the first s Thing that popped into my head because I was like 8 years old when I figured out how a katana and a baseball bat are roughly both the same weight 2 lb it always pops into my head as a reference point of weight because it was the first thing I really learned regarding weapons I also found it interesting because as a kid, I thought a baseball bat was heavier than 2 lb. That's when I first really learned about leverages and how weight can feel different depending on how it's distributed
The original rationale for the short screw tang was for the knife to be modular with different handles, however this never materialized so the M9 was left with a compromised tang.
The ideal meets the economist.. The end result something that makes the beancounters, cosplayers, video gamers happy at the cost of the unending ire and dissatisfaction from its users.. Win-win solution i wouldn't say..
I had to use this thing, I had convince a friend of mine from the German contingent To get an extra Glock for me since I didn't trust this thing for shit. BTW I mean the Glock knife not that Pistol although it's the same company, the German military used a really nice knife made by glock back in the day, I don't know if they still use it but it was excellent, pretty sure it's what made Glock famous well before they even had their pistols hard to remember it's been quite a few decades so I might be wrong.
I am laying on my 50 year old Marine poncho literally right now, works fine, sea bags work perfectly fine, saw an Etool in the store maybe 3 weeks ago, almost bought it but it didn´t come with a case
Mixed bag. Military grade doesn't mean better, it just adheres to regulations set by the respective military. Their goods are typically made to be shock resistant, more durable, extremely weather resistant, etc. But not always, depends on the regulations and intended use. Custom stuff can be better, by a mile. They're often tailored to specific individuals, or handmade by stupidly skilled craftsmen. For weapons tho, it's hardly necessary. Gun shoot bullet, bullet kill, gunman happi. For melee weapons, clothing, backpacks, different story. They're not meant to be low quality or mass produced. Due to regulations, it can actually be harder and slower to produce these items, and if the regulations aren't "good enough", the items can be of lower quality than the industry standard in some cases. TL;DR, more expensive because of red tape, can be worse than regular items.
@@sockpuppermcgee7920that's only in peace time. In war time, especially when the war drags on and actually become a fight for a nation's very survival, and supplies run low and are running out, military grade is the worst possible thing you can get! Lots of stories of WW2 and Vietnam soldiers getting really shoddy supplies or experimental aircraft/vehicles which didn't really hold up in realistic scenarios but looked good on paper. Military grade is never a good thing but yeah regulation and red tape gets in the way. And old gear that never got used gets sent off somewhere else or shows up decades later. Like on Russia Ukraine right now, they are using Soviet era stockpiles to get rid of them before they even start using the real modern gear so people especially conscripts and getting sent out with ancient technology knowing they are meant to be expendable lives, it's not even about gaining any territory it's just fueling the war to keep it alive until a political decision in another part of the world can be reached. Lots of middle East conflicts are also using Soviet era gear against modern American gear too. So the best military grade stuff of the past would be really old and not useful anymore but still forced in people's hands.
WHY FOR FUCKS SAKES, WHY WOULD YOU GIVE THAT TINY DONG FOR A MONOLITHIC SIZED BLADE? They have wasted a fortune on making the absolute steel bar of the blade, so i doubt that i was about saving that bit of metal to just make a proper tang like in a glock fm78.
My squad leader, who was not a knife guy loved the M9. My section leader (The guy in charge of the Bradley's we rode in) was a total knife geek and I never saw him carrying or talking about the M9. That's all the confirmation I need.
Used to have surplus one as a emergency survival knife, shit broke in half when I needed it, luckily I was rescued pretty quickly, but since then I’ve only carried full tang knives.
@@SonJWri 99% of the time, it does. Very few times in history had the lowest bidder made quality stuff for the military. Anyone who's been in the military knows their equipment, gear, weapons, and vehicles are made of grade A Chinesium, and yeah you'd be surprised by how much the US relies on China. If China tomorrow said “we're not trading with the US any more” then the US military industrial complex would probably fall apart.
@@Valentin_126 you clearly haven't been in the military and are 100% lying about it. Tell me again how they choose the lowest bidder when they spend billions on top-tier ammunition. Tell me again how they choose the lowest bidder when aircraft bolts cost over 80k. Tell me again how they choose the crappy cheap option when they chose the 1911, the m4, the Humvee, the Abrams, the f16, etcetera. Now I'm not saying everything is great, nor are the prices worth it like on the $80k aircraft bolts or the shitty Vietnam m16 or this shitty knife, but you're clearly bullshitting and lying. Not everything is made of chinesium, not everything is from the lowest bidder, not everything is the lowest quality. In fact, 99% of shit is very high quality, and we just nitpick through that last 1% and say that everything is crappy. So you had it completely backwards, n either that's complete negligence, or you intentionally lied.
The fact this was meant to be a pry bar while having a baby tang is the kinda shit that makes me roll my eyes when someone tells me military procurement is a logical and well vetted process.
Except that movie should be taken as satire, nothing about the bradley is right tho its a funny version of how procurement can go wrong, just dont see anything as factual @@damongeisler265
It’s heavy to use as a prybar but it’s not strong enough to actually use as a prybar it’s too thick to use as a cutting Utensils which is its main purpose. Try sticking a bunch of Utility in some thing eventually it’s going to be less effective at each of those tasks.
The main purpose of a bayonet is NOT to slice. It's primarily a stabbing weapon, though slashes are implemented as well, though they aren't expected to be particularly effective at incapacitating anyone. These are meant to primarily be used as weapons. They can more or less hold up to use as such. They CAN be pressed into use as an improvised tool. That is not what they are meant for, nor should they be unless you have no other choice in an emergency.
@@TheRealAaronSmithanything that doesn’t have a full tang is pretty bloody useless as a weapon, because all you have to do is stab just the wrong way, and suddenly you don’t have a blade anymore
@@ntfoperative9432 behold the idiocy of the people arguing with me here: ruclips.net/video/mXYHOSdO1A4/видео.htmlsi=2cvOH8K4RhJAPhLn Also, doctrinally, bayonets are kind of a last ditch/standoff weapon. Ideally you're not using them for much but tearing open MREs and other trivial tasks suitable for a knife from the dollar store or some shit. You'll notice most SOF guys don't even bother with the bayonet, but they do carry a field knife. They are significantly more practical in nearly every aspect. Except potentially reach, since you're not gonna have an easy time securely mounting a field knife to a rifle, carbine, etc. Anyways. Are we done? Cause I'm getting sick of arguing with idiots and proving them wrong.
It’s become common for troops just to purchase their own knife. You get something suitable for your needs. I was a Seabee I carried both a fixed blade and folding knife. As well as a pair of linesman pliers every where I went.
When my stepson was sent to the sandbox, my wife and I made sure he went with an actual fighting bowie, a camp knife for cooking, and a multitool. He never once needed a prybar.
I mean 2 pounds is the weight of some samurai swords Not to mention, imagine making a "prybar" with a fucking rat tang And the justification was "combatibility with multiple handles But like why would you need to replace the handle if the blade breaks lmao
Probably just some officers friend was part of the company doing the bid. Just how Glock beat out Sig in the performance trials by a considerable margin but the military still adopted the M17/18
@@chuckschillingvideos i can assure you that there is not a single incidence of a knife fight happening between a regular infantryman of the US and anyone else since 50 years
@@mcRydes I would imagine they might be useful for rough cutting things like rope and canvas - tasks that would dull the edge of a blade very quickly. But you can't really sharpen a serrated edge, so it's not useful on the working edge of a knife in my opinion.
i was in for a long time and i had an old Cold Steel recon tanto i had to keep a very close eye on because team mates were trying to "borrow it" or trade me for inferior POS knives. That was/still is an amazing knife i will trust with my life
Our Army vet friend was watching me play REmake 2 and said "checks out" when the Combat Knife broke, and told me and my younger brother how shit it was when I broke another in the game.
Think about how many people had to look over this design before it was finalized, put into production and then shipped out in the field. You’d think at least one person who knows anything about knives or the militaries needs would look at it and think there’s maybe a design flaw or two or ten. Just shows the people making them aren’t actually using them for their intended purpose
I've never heard anything good about the M9. When I was in the service, I was issued an M7. I found a great many uses for it. It never broke or let me down. I still have it after all these years.
@@user-eg3yv3xr7s Thanks. You don't happen to known I'd the Glock bayonet is full tang as well so you? I'm planning on getting either a US military bayonet, the AK47 bayonet or a glock but I want it to be full tang.
@@GazB85 No my friend, I don't know anything about the Glock bayonet. I'm not positive, but if you check the Glock website, you might find the answer to your question there.
While that may have been the intended quote that inspired it, the one it ended up embodying was “you try to satisfy everyone, you end up satisfying no one”.
@@UGNAvalon in my mind trying to make a new bayonet is like trying to reinvent the wheel, i think the most useful design is the AK bayonet and anything else just use a multitool
"Lets make the blade extra thicc so it can be used to pry things open, oh thats a lot of money on steel. Lets get rid of that extra bit in the handle. You can't even see it!"
During 4-H by my instructor broke one to show the importance of structure in any tool. He is a Vietnam Marine Vet and taught us many important things. He also gave us context and real demonstrations to prove his knowledge. It is because of him that my pack is lightweight, and well-used during camping and hiking trips. Ounces turn to pounds, and in the Mid-West; WATER is far more important. 2 lbs is water for a good trek...
whats even more impressive is the fact its made of 420 stainless steel. its hard to work with, is expensive and is quite brittle but hard (good for cutting) yet they fucked up every part.. too thick to cut, too heavy for the tang to survive, expensive metal but cheap handle.. they could have just had a decent plastic handle with actual pins holding it, from a downpoint view the handle is egg shaped so it wouldnt twist around. the knife could have a tougher but softer spine made of cheap metal to not shatter as easily + have the original 420 as the cutting edge with 30-50% of the weight off
@@dimitriosxvt991 really? even if its that thick, if the tang doesnt even reach halfe of the handle wont the leverage from it getting stuck just break the handle instead?
@@lowkeyarki7091 yes really, there is still a review on youtube where its getting extremely tested (breaking bricks, prying etc), look up for the "ontario m9 destruction test"
Made from 420 steel, so they were supposedly unbreakable, but wouldn't hold an edge. I didn't know about the lack of a proper tang. Our tax dollars at work.
No tang was probably to drop waight, thickness and cost, the edge part was probably as a consequence of being too hard. Tho a weird thing is happening with camping knifes they are losing tangs. serious why do we update designs like the seax or something of them older designs.
@@thenotsodiscretewolf2098 not holding an edge and 420 stainless steel go hand in hand, it's basicaly a chinese kitchen knife. My ww1 M1895 Mannlicher or my soviet ak bayonet is way better for their designs.
Ffs people, they're bayonets, the intended purpose isn't cutting or slicing, it's stabbing/puncturing. And they hold up pretty solidly to that. If you want a field knife, go get a field knife. Not a bayonet.
@@TheRealAaronSmith my man if ur telling me the government can't produce even a unbreakable knife for all outdoor needs a soldier may have during service whilst ur paying taxes to fund them specifically for that purpose and giving ur life for them than it's clear joining the military is just a scam and that the government doesn't even care about their own soldiers let alone winning or losing wars
Me and my dad found one in the mountains while hiking. That knife was a beast. I’ve split campfire wood with it while camping. I didn’t know about the tang being so small and I wouldn’t have guessed how bad it was with how much that knife did.
its pretty easy to fix if you want to blacksmith as a side hoby, either use a welder or forge weld on a full tang, then stretch out that knife and bend some higher quality steel into a taco shape around its original edge, use a welder and then forgeweld it evenly out, then sharpen it and even it out on a grinder
@@SebastiansSebastian-fc4pjWhy on earth would anyone do that? If you’re already using pieces of steel to fix basically everything about the blade, just get some flat bar stock, profile it, heat treat, use the grip off the M9 if you want.
A tang is LITERALLY the most important structural part of your knife. A thin or short (especially short) tang makes a knife near worthless ESPECIALLY IF USED AS A FKING PRYBAR
One thing do add about AK-47 bayonet vs. this one, is that was not necessarily even supposed to be used. My uncle was in military in Communist Poland in 1950s, they got brand new AK-47s and he said they would never have bayonets and regarded having a bayonet on AK as 'a stupid idea'. He also often mentioned the triangular bayonet on the Mosin rifle. He remarked; that it served as a weight balancer for shooting and argues that 'it was a humanitarian weapon because unlike American's, it was traingular without any blade, so whoever you stabbed would be knocked down, but had better chance of survival'.
@@UGNAvalon Then you're a moron who is about to die because they didn't maintain their firearms, or you clear the jam. The M9 was my third firearm. After my Machine gun and rifle. If ALL of those are down, the fault is on me, or the shooter.
I was actually given one of these from a relative as a graduation gift. As clunky and bulky as it is, I've been glad I've had it while working around my woods and yard more times than I can count. Living in the NE means you find barb wire grown into trees everywhere, vines and pricker bushes, everywhere and I've even used it to field dress. I can see why it would suck in combat, but from a civilian standpoint, I love this thing
I'd wager that if you've had been given something just a modicum better & wayyyy lighter for its intended purposes to work with, you too would've spitted on this one like everyone else.
The funny thing is when I was going to be deploying to Somalia back in the day Central Issue Supply wouldn't issue me an M7 bayonet so I bought my own M9 from U.S. Cavalry. Spent alot of money on it even then in '92 but I won't get rid of it 30 plus years later. They're worth some decent money now too.
A survival knife should be what is carried on the hip... why not have an ultra-light dagger that can be fixed for the bayonet option. Two knives isn’t streamlined enough. Honestly normal survival knife and a folding spike on the gun would be fine.
To be fair, Austria did it right with the Glock knife, it functions as a bayonet while still being a decent knife and the handle is pretty good even though it's not full tang.
The worst of all is that it's blade material was 440 steel. 440 steel is material commonly used for kitchen knives, easy to sharpen but not strong enough to be used as a tool.
thats cause its brittle but hard, the opposite is tough but soft. its a high carbon metal used for scalpels that can easily shatter, at least a lower carbon spine would have justified the weight this shit is just horrible. literally needs a stronger spine and a longer tang.
I can testify.. it sucks. It seems like whoever the military delegates to pick this stuff does not have a clue about what they’re choosing… and it never ends.. 🤷♂️
no they just see you as a meaningless number. its actually beneficial if the product is good enough to win a war but at the cost of multipe casualties. breeds out the strongest men with strongest willpower to actually influence their country.. Ruby Ridge didnt end well.. but what did is when the veterans faught against a corrupt police station in the 80s or so
We were issued M7's way back when...1977? We were told they were 'stabbing only' weapons when mounted on the rifle. When not mounted to the rifle, we had to return the blade to the Armorer! Come to think of it, they only time we carried bayonets was during a Parade...never on field exercises. Signal Corps was built different.
You like knife that made of same material as kitchen knife, with petruded metal that constanly stab your leg, and super fragile despite the weight that rival a goddam samurai sword.
@@justyourlocalwitchhunter9184Yeah, he does. If it works for him, it works for him. I literally only used a folding knife when I was in. Those are by and large way more likely to break than this.
@@yobrodontshoot1130 that's why I put "?" At the end of each question and not a "." Because I'm not implying anything I'm just asking strange how u didn't see that isn't it?
Screwable tangs should be a crime by itself, but a tang THAT SHORT?? I'm convinced whoever the hell designed this knife only has experience as far as using a bread knife
After Rambo 2, I think just about every 11 yr old country boy had one of these. Compass on the back, fishing line, hooks, sinkers, inside the handle!!! We weee ready to survive at least a couple years with that alone!!! 🤣🤣
@@ShellShock11C Some of those absurd fantasy survival knives actually went for quite a bit of money. If memory serves the Gerber example was particularly sought after.
@@lanceroberthough1275 relax Francis. I know it’s not the same exact fukin knife. Go learn something or go outside. Trying to be a smarty pants on the internet make you look weak and needing a self esteem boost. Just so ya know. I didn’t think I had to explain that part as it was just a joking memory of a somewhat similar knife. Why so serious?
Never had experience with this knife, but the Glock 81 field knife and AK bayonet have both been solid for me. Good working man's knives that are inexpensive.
Im a retired Army Infantryman Our unit armorers brought our bayonets to Iraq in 05 but they sucked so much I never saw them in any arm's room in any unit until i retired.
broke mine in BCT in 2011. Drill sergeants laughed and said "theres always one" but I didn't know it was so universally hated because we basically stopped using them after BCT. In fact, I was never issued one again.
I can recommend 6H3 which is the old soviet bayonet. I've used it for everything from cutting fences to chopping firewood and it has never let me down.
When Lockheed Martin developed the F-22 raptor the designers went to both pilots and ground crew and asked them what sort of changes they could implement to make it better than previous generation aircraft. They used a great deal of that input to make a better fighter that was easier to work on and by all accounts the ground crews that work on them love them and the pilots appreciate the cockpit layout. It seems to me if you're going to make something you should get some feedback from the end user before sticking them with something they hate.
In the Marines I was issued the M7 which came before the M9 but with some better bayonet. But before I left the Marine Corps that bayonet fighting knife they issued us was gorgeous
When I went to Iraq, the good ol Marine Corps issued me an Mk.7 bayonet. Never once saw an Mk.9. But that was the beginning days of GWOT. We also were issued woodland plate carriers.
The M9 is like the perfect example of how to make something that looks like a knife physically But functions nothing like a knife It’s also made of 420 Which, while very tough Can’t hold an edge for longer then 50 cuts on abrasives Steels like Nitro V or AUS 8 are only slightly less tough, equally (if not better) stainless, and can actually get over that 100 cut mark before dulling That and with a TERRIBLE ergonomic design It’s just the knife no one wants, even if you aren’t a knife guy, you won’t like this knife It “looks cool” but that’s it
As my father (who was ex military though not in the US, an antiques dealer and a wilderness guide) would say: 'Bayonets are for stabbing and to counter barrel climb, anything else you're wasting your time.'
Ive rarely met anyone who hates the m9, there are many iteratioms and the later ones are quite nice. Ive got a cheap knockoff myself and quite enjoy it. Im not a service member, but as an avid outdoorsman its a near perfect survival knife and is incredibly versitile. My only complaint is that mine is lacking some power in the wire cutter designed to cut barbed wire fencing, but i dont necessarily plan to do a lot of barbed wire cuttinf anyways, so a very minor hangup. I got mine for around $30 on amazon, compared to nearly 200-300 for a legitimate m9 sabre, so the downside is easily outweighed by the nearly 90% discount i bought it for
Ex Infantry Army grunt here. We were issued these when we deployed to Iraq and I was one of the last generations to go through the bayonet assault course in Fort Benning. And yeah, it's not a great bayonet. I'll never understand whey they just didnt make it ful tang, instead of the pointless over complicated screw tang. That and the handle is circular, which sucks. The only good side to this bayo is the blade is INSANELY strong. I got drunk one night and quite literally stabbed a stone wall full force, and I'm a big dude. No damage at all other than scrathing.
The M9 was ok, and the blade thickness had NOTHING to do with it’s cutting ability. That was due to the type of steel it was made of, and 99% of soldiers not knowing how to properly sharpen a knife. I could literally shave with mine. That being said, my daily carry/use knife and/or tool as a Medic, since we didn’t carry out M9’s unless we were deployed or in the field) was my Spyderco semi-serrated knife and my Gerber multi-tool. I also purchased my own Ka-Bar, for “other” purposes.
We made this knife thicker so it could be used as a pry bar, and we also gave it a tiny ass tang so it could break at the first instance of being used as a pry bar
I'm not a soldier, but I am a tradesmen, knives make bad prybars, use a pipe, two by four, stick literally so many things u can find around you work better
A knife the weight of an arming sword that doesn't have a full tang is wild
Shit I’ve never thought about it like that.
@tricksterjoy9740 That's the first s
Thing that popped into my head because I was like 8 years old when I figured out how a katana and a baseball bat are roughly both the same weight 2 lb it always pops into my head as a reference point of weight because it was the first thing I really learned regarding weapons
I also found it interesting because as a kid, I thought a baseball bat was heavier than 2 lb. That's when I first really learned about leverages and how weight can feel different depending on how it's distributed
@@Indiana_Jesus not all baseball bats are 2lbs but on average it's true
I was going to say the same thing. The fact it didn't have a full tang is a crime
The original rationale for the short screw tang was for the knife to be modular with different handles, however this never materialized so the M9 was left with a compromised tang.
"We made it thick so you can use it as a pry-bar, then gave it a tiny short tang so you can't use it as a pry-bar."
* Checks requisition form "Looks about right"
Good Ole Army logic
You have a future in government contracting.
The ideal meets the economist..
The end result something that makes the beancounters, cosplayers, video gamers happy at the cost of the unending ire and dissatisfaction from its users..
Win-win solution i wouldn't say..
Sound like “military grade” to me, the cheapest crap possible so politicians can embezzle the highest amount possible….+ 10% to the big guy
A two pound knife SHOULD be unbreakable, thats wild
I had to use this thing, I had convince a friend of mine from the German contingent To get an extra Glock for me since I didn't trust this thing for shit.
BTW I mean the Glock knife not that Pistol although it's the same company, the German military used a really nice knife made by glock back in the day, I don't know if they still use it but it was excellent, pretty sure it's what made Glock famous well before they even had their pistols hard to remember it's been quite a few decades so I might be wrong.
@@anarchyandempires5452What’s even more amazing is you can still buy them
@@anarchyandempires5452I’m pretty sure they did horses before that iirc but that’s a separate company now
@@anarchyandempires5452It was replaced by the Eickhorn KM 2000 in the Bundeswehr, also a fantastic knife from what I've heard.
@@Trve_Kvltbusweizer?
A pry bar, without any bar in the handle.
Yeah, it's such a bizarre weak point for such an unnecessarily heavy blade. Heavier than a shark knife and less durable. Everything about them sucks.
He's cherry-picking. Makes more sense had he said wirecutters instead of pry bar.
That's not a tang... that's a joke...
Remember: military grade means the lowest possible quality but enough to be serviceable.
I am laying on my 50 year old Marine poncho literally right now, works fine, sea bags work perfectly fine, saw an Etool in the store maybe 3 weeks ago, almost bought it but it didn´t come with a case
Mixed bag. Military grade doesn't mean better, it just adheres to regulations set by the respective military. Their goods are typically made to be shock resistant, more durable, extremely weather resistant, etc. But not always, depends on the regulations and intended use.
Custom stuff can be better, by a mile. They're often tailored to specific individuals, or handmade by stupidly skilled craftsmen. For weapons tho, it's hardly necessary. Gun shoot bullet, bullet kill, gunman happi. For melee weapons, clothing, backpacks, different story.
They're not meant to be low quality or mass produced. Due to regulations, it can actually be harder and slower to produce these items, and if the regulations aren't "good enough", the items can be of lower quality than the industry standard in some cases.
TL;DR, more expensive because of red tape, can be worse than regular items.
@@sockpuppermcgee7920that's only in peace time. In war time, especially when the war drags on and actually become a fight for a nation's very survival, and supplies run low and are running out, military grade is the worst possible thing you can get! Lots of stories of WW2 and Vietnam soldiers getting really shoddy supplies or experimental aircraft/vehicles which didn't really hold up in realistic scenarios but looked good on paper. Military grade is never a good thing but yeah regulation and red tape gets in the way. And old gear that never got used gets sent off somewhere else or shows up decades later. Like on Russia Ukraine right now, they are using Soviet era stockpiles to get rid of them before they even start using the real modern gear so people especially conscripts and getting sent out with ancient technology knowing they are meant to be expendable lives, it's not even about gaining any territory it's just fueling the war to keep it alive until a political decision in another part of the world can be reached. Lots of middle East conflicts are also using Soviet era gear against modern American gear too. So the best military grade stuff of the past would be really old and not useful anymore but still forced in people's hands.
@@Algorithm_work_your_magic he said military grade not special units grade
So not the best you'll get but you could certainly get worse
as soon as i saw the tang, i understood
Screw-in tang with a blade thickness of about a quarter inch? Yeah.. bad design 🤔
@@acidz0037 Mentioning screw-in in a reply to a furry with a fox pfp is double accurate
@@Sharkwedge 😂🤣😂
@@Sharkwedge mood
WHY FOR FUCKS SAKES, WHY WOULD YOU GIVE THAT TINY DONG FOR A MONOLITHIC SIZED BLADE?
They have wasted a fortune on making the absolute steel bar of the blade, so i doubt that i was about saving that bit of metal to just make a proper tang like in a glock fm78.
That little screw at the end of the blade is a joke like why why do that so many better options
*end of the tang
Fr, i could come up with a better design
@@potato-q9tquite fool
@@potato-q9t🤓
@@potato-q9tthe tang is at the end of the blade isn't it?
it being designed to be a pry bar and not having a full tang is insane
Not even a half tang, it's just a chode
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@@LouvreJaramill What's up with your pfp? Do you hate the Jewish Autonomous Oblast that much?
My squad leader, who was not a knife guy loved the M9. My section leader (The guy in charge of the Bradley's we rode in) was a total knife geek and I never saw him carrying or talking about the M9. That's all the confirmation I need.
Sounds kinda like the Codec call between Naked Snake and Sigint about the knife.
@@Quickdrawingartistexactly my thoughts
Then ur a moron cuz that means nothing at all
Said yourself he wants a knife guy. Explains why he liked it
We were issued M7s when I was in. They were useless being so small. Now they're great?
I call boolshite.
Used to have surplus one as a emergency survival knife, shit broke in half when I needed it, luckily I was rescued pretty quickly, but since then I’ve only carried full tang knives.
@@bigbo1764 did it break in the handle or did the blade broke?
@@dunklezwiebelblade prob broke off at the handle.
Get the Soviet AK bayonet haha
Glad you got out safe, mate.
@@dunklezwiebel broke off the handle
Remembers of the COD quote: “Never forget that your weapon was build by the lowest bidder”
That doesn’t mean that it’s of cheap quality.
@@SonJWri But what did we just see about one of these weapons?
That goes waaaay back before COD
@@SonJWri 99% of the time, it does. Very few times in history had the lowest bidder made quality stuff for the military. Anyone who's been in the military knows their equipment, gear, weapons, and vehicles are made of grade A Chinesium, and yeah you'd be surprised by how much the US relies on China. If China tomorrow said “we're not trading with the US any more” then the US military industrial complex would probably fall apart.
@@Valentin_126 you clearly haven't been in the military and are 100% lying about it. Tell me again how they choose the lowest bidder when they spend billions on top-tier ammunition. Tell me again how they choose the lowest bidder when aircraft bolts cost over 80k. Tell me again how they choose the crappy cheap option when they chose the 1911, the m4, the Humvee, the Abrams, the f16, etcetera. Now I'm not saying everything is great, nor are the prices worth it like on the $80k aircraft bolts or the shitty Vietnam m16 or this shitty knife, but you're clearly bullshitting and lying. Not everything is made of chinesium, not everything is from the lowest bidder, not everything is the lowest quality. In fact, 99% of shit is very high quality, and we just nitpick through that last 1% and say that everything is crappy. So you had it completely backwards, n either that's complete negligence, or you intentionally lied.
The fact this was meant to be a pry bar while having a baby tang is the kinda shit that makes me roll my eyes when someone tells me military procurement is a logical and well vetted process.
If you have not seen Pentagon Wars, you should. Kelsey Grammer and Carey Elwes movie.
The belief that anything of that scale can be a logical and well-vetted process is insane
Except that movie should be taken as satire, nothing about the bradley is right tho its a funny version of how procurement can go wrong, just dont see anything as factual @@damongeisler265
It’s heavy to use as a prybar but it’s not strong enough to actually use as a prybar it’s too thick to use as a cutting Utensils which is its main purpose. Try sticking a bunch of Utility in some thing eventually it’s going to be less effective at each of those tasks.
The main purpose of a bayonet is NOT to slice. It's primarily a stabbing weapon, though slashes are implemented as well, though they aren't expected to be particularly effective at incapacitating anyone.
These are meant to primarily be used as weapons. They can more or less hold up to use as such. They CAN be pressed into use as an improvised tool. That is not what they are meant for, nor should they be unless you have no other choice in an emergency.
I dont even get the product, like.. you have 2 pounds of metal, make the thing 50% longer and have a full tand at the cost of thickness.
Cutting is not it's main purpose. Stabbing is. Which it sucks at.
@@TheRealAaronSmithanything that doesn’t have a full tang is pretty bloody useless as a weapon, because all you have to do is stab just the wrong way, and suddenly you don’t have a blade anymore
@@ntfoperative9432 behold the idiocy of the people arguing with me here:
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Also, doctrinally, bayonets are kind of a last ditch/standoff weapon. Ideally you're not using them for much but tearing open MREs and other trivial tasks suitable for a knife from the dollar store or some shit.
You'll notice most SOF guys don't even bother with the bayonet, but they do carry a field knife. They are significantly more practical in nearly every aspect. Except potentially reach, since you're not gonna have an easy time securely mounting a field knife to a rifle, carbine, etc.
Anyways. Are we done? Cause I'm getting sick of arguing with idiots and proving them wrong.
It’s become common for troops just to purchase their own knife. You get something suitable for your needs. I was a Seabee I carried both a fixed blade and folding knife. As well as a pair of linesman pliers every where I went.
I was never issued a knife but I carried a nice Leatherman and a fixed bladed full tang kabar style with a serrated rear edge on my cutter ❤️
Seabees!!!! Can do brother...
I used a cold steel SRK in Iraq. The police stole it from me when I got home.
When my stepson was sent to the sandbox, my wife and I made sure he went with an actual fighting bowie, a camp knife for cooking, and a multitool. He never once needed a prybar.
@@ShellShock11C of course they did. Fuck cops 💀
I mean 2 pounds is the weight of some samurai swords
Not to mention, imagine making a "prybar" with a fucking rat tang
And the justification was "combatibility with multiple handles
But like why would you need to replace the handle if the blade breaks lmao
Not to mention you can make a full blade tang and still have it be compatible.
@moshikon44 I mean the trench knife was doing it back in 1918
2 pounds is the weight of some European LONGSWORDS
Probably just some officers friend was part of the company doing the bid. Just how Glock beat out Sig in the performance trials by a considerable margin but the military still adopted the M17/18
2-3 pounds is pretty much the average of any sword if you exclude great swords😅
Ah, good ol' DoD shitting the bed. Forever and always.
That is what they are the best at
@@bleekskaduwee6762That and wasting money.
@@theap0killyp1k2 Is it really a waste if it's intentional?
I'm related to some of the employees... they seem to have a type they go for when hiring...
Welcome to America
When I was in, the knife everyone wanted was the Gerber Mk 2, a slender, leaf-bladed, double-edged dagger with serrations near the hilt.
Yeah, because when there's an actual chance you might be in close combat, you probably want a good fighting knife.
@@chuckschillingvideos i can assure you that there is not a single incidence of a knife fight happening between a regular infantryman of the US and anyone else since 50 years
are the serrations on knifes like this ever actually useful? They seem so useless on my camp knives. . .
@@mcRydes I would imagine they might be useful for rough cutting things like rope and canvas - tasks that would dull the edge of a blade very quickly. But you can't really sharpen a serrated edge, so it's not useful on the working edge of a knife in my opinion.
i was in for a long time and i had an old Cold Steel recon tanto i had to keep a very close eye on because team mates were trying to "borrow it" or trade me for inferior POS knives. That was/still is an amazing knife i will trust with my life
Our Army vet friend was watching me play REmake 2 and said "checks out" when the Combat Knife broke, and told me and my younger brother how shit it was when I broke another in the game.
Think about how many people had to look over this design before it was finalized, put into production and then shipped out in the field. You’d think at least one person who knows anything about knives or the militaries needs would look at it and think there’s maybe a design flaw or two or ten. Just shows the people making them aren’t actually using them for their intended purpose
I've never heard anything good about the M9. When I was in the service, I was issued an M7. I found a great many uses for it. It never broke or let me down. I still have it after all these years.
Is the M7 full tang?
@@GazB85 Yes
@@user-eg3yv3xr7s Thanks.
You don't happen to known I'd the Glock bayonet is full tang as well so you?
I'm planning on getting either a US military bayonet, the AK47 bayonet or a glock but I want it to be full tang.
@@GazB85 No my friend, I don't know anything about the Glock bayonet. I'm not positive, but if you check the Glock website, you might find the answer to your question there.
@@GazB85the Glock knife is not a bayonet
I think the quote for this knife was "Jack of all trades... Master of none"
Is oftentimes better than a master of one.
But that quote doesn't apply.
While that may have been the intended quote that inspired it, the one it ended up embodying was “you try to satisfy everyone, you end up satisfying no one”.
@@UGNAvalon in my mind trying to make a new bayonet is like trying to reinvent the wheel, i think the most useful design is the AK bayonet and anything else just use a multitool
"Lets make the blade extra thicc so it can be used to pry things open, oh thats a lot of money on steel. Lets get rid of that extra bit in the handle. You can't even see it!"
I have the Soviet counter part ten times better
but the steel is also shit
During 4-H by my instructor broke one to show the importance of structure in any tool. He is a Vietnam Marine Vet and taught us many important things. He also gave us context and real demonstrations to prove his knowledge. It is because of him that my pack is lightweight, and well-used during camping and hiking trips. Ounces turn to pounds, and in the Mid-West; WATER is far more important. 2 lbs is water for a good trek...
2 pounds with a tang that short? i'd be more surprised if it didnt break
whats even more impressive is the fact its made of 420 stainless steel. its hard to work with, is expensive and is quite brittle but hard (good for cutting)
yet they fucked up every part.. too thick to cut, too heavy for the tang to survive, expensive metal but cheap handle..
they could have just had a decent plastic handle with actual pins holding it, from a downpoint view the handle is egg shaped so it wouldnt twist around. the knife could have a tougher but softer spine made of cheap metal to not shatter as easily + have the original 420 as the cutting edge with 30-50% of the weight off
@@SebastiansSebastian-fc4pj honestly its better off being reforged, use that extra thickness to make it a full tang and give it a proper handle
@@lowkeyarki7091 they are actually very reliable bc that little tang there is very thick, like the rest of the blade
@@dimitriosxvt991 really? even if its that thick, if the tang doesnt even reach halfe of the handle wont the leverage from it getting stuck just break the handle instead?
@@lowkeyarki7091 yes really, there is still a review on youtube where its getting extremely tested (breaking bricks, prying etc), look up for the "ontario m9 destruction test"
Wanting it to be a pry bar without a full tang is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen.
Remember, military quality means munition quality, mass-produce as cheap as possible, still good enough to be usable but definitely NOT high grade
milspec 😂😂😂 a cheapest sht they could afford so they can pocket themselves a million
Made from 420 steel, so they were supposedly unbreakable, but wouldn't hold an edge. I didn't know about the lack of a proper tang. Our tax dollars at work.
No tang was probably to drop waight, thickness and cost, the edge part was probably as a consequence of being too hard. Tho a weird thing is happening with camping knifes they are losing tangs. serious why do we update designs like the seax or something of them older designs.
@@thenotsodiscretewolf2098the lack of tang and screw on handle were for modular attachments that were designed but unfortunately never fielded.
@@thenotsodiscretewolf2098 not holding an edge and 420 stainless steel go hand in hand, it's basicaly a chinese kitchen knife. My ww1 M1895 Mannlicher or my soviet ak bayonet is way better for their designs.
Ffs people, they're bayonets, the intended purpose isn't cutting or slicing, it's stabbing/puncturing. And they hold up pretty solidly to that.
If you want a field knife, go get a field knife. Not a bayonet.
@@TheRealAaronSmith my man if ur telling me the government can't produce even a unbreakable knife for all outdoor needs a soldier may have during service whilst ur paying taxes to fund them specifically for that purpose and giving ur life for them than it's clear joining the military is just a scam and that the government doesn't even care about their own soldiers let alone winning or losing wars
Me and my dad found one in the mountains while hiking. That knife was a beast. I’ve split campfire wood with it while camping. I didn’t know about the tang being so small and I wouldn’t have guessed how bad it was with how much that knife did.
its pretty easy to fix if you want to blacksmith as a side hoby, either use a welder or forge weld on a full tang, then stretch out that knife and bend some higher quality steel into a taco shape around its original edge, use a welder and then forgeweld it evenly out, then sharpen it and even it out on a grinder
@@SebastiansSebastian-fc4pjWhy on earth would anyone do that? If you’re already using pieces of steel to fix basically everything about the blade, just get some flat bar stock, profile it, heat treat, use the grip off the M9 if you want.
You FOUND one!? That ruined someones day big time. Those thinks are a couple hundred a piece. I have one.
@@ShellShock11C$99 for mine. It was made by Onterio. They're supposed to be really good knife makers.
@@smithsmith1956 They are, but they dropped the ball on the design with the M9 in a big way. It should NEVER have been a rat tail design. Ever.
issued mine in the 101st , really worked well actually for field tasks
I use an M10, that thing is genuinely so much better
This is why I carried a SEAL Pup and a multi-tool.
A tang is LITERALLY the most important structural part of your knife. A thin or short (especially short) tang makes a knife near worthless ESPECIALLY IF USED AS A FKING PRYBAR
One thing do add about AK-47 bayonet vs. this one, is that was not necessarily even supposed to be used. My uncle was in military in Communist Poland in 1950s, they got brand new AK-47s and he said they would never have bayonets and regarded having a bayonet on AK as 'a stupid idea'.
He also often mentioned the triangular bayonet on the Mosin rifle. He remarked; that it served as a weight balancer for shooting and argues that 'it was a humanitarian weapon because unlike American's, it was traingular without any blade, so whoever you stabbed would be knocked down, but had better chance of survival'.
Um isn't the whole point of triangular blades to make the wound even worse?
Former infantry here.
Everything he said is true.
They also broke easily (stupid, non-existent tang.)
OKC-3S seems much much better??
2 POUNDS? That is a goddamn sword💀
ik its to heavy they need something lighter in a hand to hand combat
It's actually 1 pound. Video made a mistake but even 1 pound is considered heavy for a knife.
@@Jayseanderson5 Hand to hand combat isn't really a thing anymore. If it comes down to that, soldiers carry a pistol.
@ShellShock11C And when your pistol jams or runs out of ammo?
@@UGNAvalon Then you're a moron who is about to die because they didn't maintain their firearms, or you clear the jam. The M9 was my third firearm. After my Machine gun and rifle. If ALL of those are down, the fault is on me, or the shooter.
Well, that explains why my knife was constantly breaking on me in Resident Evil 4.
I was actually given one of these from a relative as a graduation gift. As clunky and bulky as it is, I've been glad I've had it while working around my woods and yard more times than I can count. Living in the NE means you find barb wire grown into trees everywhere, vines and pricker bushes, everywhere and I've even used it to field dress. I can see why it would suck in combat, but from a civilian standpoint, I love this thing
I'd wager that if you've had been given something just a modicum better & wayyyy lighter for its intended purposes to work with, you too would've spitted on this one like everyone else.
@@FalconWindblader whatever you wagered you owe me. I have many many knives, kabars to mauser bayonets. I just prefer this for when I'm outside
“Hey, let’s say it’s heavy so you can pry with it”
-gives it a quarter-inch tang
"Can be used as a prybar"
- Tiny ass tang
Wtf was the thought process?
This is why its important to remember that "Military Grade" doesnt mean "Badass Super Cool Grade" but instead means "Able To Be Mass Produced Grade"
Really? They can’t even feed their own people, but they can afford full tangs? Fuck the cheapness of our government knows no bounds.
Holy crap that knife looked so good! Wtf were they thinking?!
No that tang is the death of it would absolutely snap off the handle
I've never seen it happen, but I agree.
The funny thing is when I was going to be deploying to Somalia back in the day Central Issue Supply wouldn't issue me an M7 bayonet so I bought my own M9 from U.S. Cavalry. Spent alot of money on it even then in '92 but I won't get rid of it 30 plus years later. They're worth some decent money now too.
"To be use as a pry bar if needed"
Proceed to remove the tang
Who the hell design this thing?
You can have a thick-spined knife that still cuts well, so that’s more of a point against it than you’d think.
Broke 2 on tires in the bayonet course at Parris Island.
We didnt hate it. We considered it an improvement.
A survival knife should be what is carried on the hip... why not have an ultra-light dagger that can be fixed for the bayonet option. Two knives isn’t streamlined enough.
Honestly normal survival knife and a folding spike on the gun would be fine.
To be fair, Austria did it right with the Glock knife, it functions as a bayonet while still being a decent knife and the handle is pretty good even though it's not full tang.
@@G1NZOUwhile the Glock knife isn't a full tang, it's like 3/4 of the handle or so, it's significantly more substantial than that.
@@Themaxwithnoname Very true, it's not absolutely indestructible, but it's very well made and sturdy.
@@G1NZOU Plus you can use the guard as a bottle opener.
Marching with these was terrifying. I remember every left step watching the tip of the blade in front of me teeter towards my right eye.
a 2lb knife that doesn't even have a full tang...
What the fu** where they thinking?
From a blade designers perspective, the thing I find immediately striking is the round handle!!
The worst of all is that it's blade material was 440 steel. 440 steel is material commonly used for kitchen knives, easy to sharpen but not strong enough to be used as a tool.
"It's" is a contraction of "it is", and "its" is possessive.
it was 420 not 440
thats cause its brittle but hard, the opposite is tough but soft.
its a high carbon metal used for scalpels that can easily shatter, at least a lower carbon spine would have justified the weight
this shit is just horrible. literally needs a stronger spine and a longer tang.
@@rareknives Which is even softer and cheaper.
"Military grade" at its finest
I liked them. 1997 - 2004 Army.
I dunno why but the digital texts is so funny cause it makes me think that actual people in the war wrote them 😭
You mean thickness behind the edge, when you say thickness behind the blade.
That particular bayonet is great.
As long as it stays in a footlocker.
The tang is the main problem. I've seen a lot of the broken at that point.
I can testify.. it sucks. It seems like whoever the military delegates to pick this stuff does not have a clue about what they’re choosing… and it never ends.. 🤷♂️
no they just see you as a meaningless number. its actually beneficial if the product is good enough to win a war but at the cost of multipe casualties.
breeds out the strongest men with strongest willpower to actually influence their country.. Ruby Ridge didnt end well.. but what did is when the veterans faught against a corrupt police station in the 80s or so
We were issued M7's way back when...1977?
We were told they were 'stabbing only' weapons when mounted on the rifle.
When not mounted to the rifle, we had to return the blade to the Armorer!
Come to think of it, they only time we carried bayonets was during a Parade...never on field exercises.
Signal Corps was built different.
& it wouldn't stay sharp. I carried a box cutter. 11B.
I am a soldier and I love it. 😂 The rumors are vastly exaggerated
Are u perhaps a keyboard soldier?Or a csgo soldier?Because that would explain a lot
You like knife that made of same material as kitchen knife, with petruded metal that constanly stab your leg, and super fragile despite the weight that rival a goddam samurai sword.
@@Dav624He mustn’t be a Soldier because he has a different opinion than you and this video?
@@justyourlocalwitchhunter9184Yeah, he does. If it works for him, it works for him.
I literally only used a folding knife when I was in. Those are by and large way more likely to break than this.
@@yobrodontshoot1130 that's why I put "?" At the end of each question and not a "." Because I'm not implying anything I'm just asking strange how u didn't see that isn't it?
Screwable tangs should be a crime by itself, but a tang THAT SHORT?? I'm convinced whoever the hell designed this knife only has experience as far as using a bread knife
After Rambo 2, I think just about every 11 yr old country boy had one of these. Compass on the back, fishing line, hooks, sinkers, inside the handle!!!
We weee ready to survive at least a couple years with that alone!!! 🤣🤣
Thats not an M9 bayonet. Thats a cheap movie knockoff. I remember those, but it's not this knife.
@@ShellShock11C Some of those absurd fantasy survival knives actually went for quite a bit of money. If memory serves the Gerber example was particularly sought after.
That Rambo knife has nothing to do with this knife. You don't know what you're talking about.
@@lanceroberthough1275 I agree, but they just look similar and he may be miss remembering.
@@lanceroberthough1275 relax Francis. I know it’s not the same exact fukin knife. Go learn something or go outside. Trying to be a smarty pants on the internet make you look weak and needing a self esteem boost. Just so ya know. I didn’t think I had to explain that part as it was just a joking memory of a somewhat similar knife.
Why so serious?
Never had experience with this knife, but the Glock 81 field knife and AK bayonet have both been solid for me. Good working man's knives that are inexpensive.
Almost 2 pounds? Am I just really strong?
Gotta love that military logic
Ese.cuchillo es solo basura.....el que lo diseñó no tenía ni idea de un cuchillo
Im a retired Army Infantryman Our unit armorers brought our bayonets to Iraq in 05 but they sucked so much I never saw them in any arm's room in any unit until i retired.
Prybar without a tang. Its laughable really
broke mine in BCT in 2011. Drill sergeants laughed and said "theres always one" but I didn't know it was so universally hated because we basically stopped using them after BCT. In fact, I was never issued one again.
I can recommend 6H3 which is the old soviet bayonet. I've used it for everything from cutting fences to chopping firewood and it has never let me down.
When Lockheed Martin developed the F-22 raptor the designers went to both pilots and ground crew and asked them what sort of changes they could implement to make it better than previous generation aircraft. They used a great deal of that input to make a better fighter that was easier to work on and by all accounts the ground crews that work on them love them and the pilots appreciate the cockpit layout. It seems to me if you're going to make something you should get some feedback from the end user before sticking them with something they hate.
In the Marines I was issued the M7 which came before the M9 but with some better bayonet. But before I left the Marine Corps that bayonet fighting knife they issued us was gorgeous
When I went to Iraq, the good ol Marine Corps issued me an Mk.7 bayonet. Never once saw an Mk.9. But that was the beginning days of GWOT. We also were issued woodland plate carriers.
I own one of these I didn’t know it didn’t have a full tang. I gave my son in the USMC a Dawson fighting knife which is very well made.
You know we are an advanced civilisation when we cant even make a functional knife for military purposes.
The M9 is like the perfect example of how to make something that looks like a knife physically
But functions nothing like a knife
It’s also made of 420
Which, while very tough
Can’t hold an edge for longer then 50 cuts on abrasives
Steels like Nitro V or AUS 8 are only slightly less tough, equally (if not better) stainless, and can actually get over that 100 cut mark before dulling
That and with a TERRIBLE ergonomic design
It’s just the knife no one wants, even if you aren’t a knife guy, you won’t like this knife
It “looks cool” but that’s it
Oh that's why I hated it in game. It always felt like something was wrong with that knife.
"Very small tang"
That tang is non existent.
As my father (who was ex military though not in the US, an antiques dealer and a wilderness guide) would say: 'Bayonets are for stabbing and to counter barrel climb, anything else you're wasting your time.'
You KNOW someone got the contract and the people who chose it got kickbacks.
Ive rarely met anyone who hates the m9, there are many iteratioms and the later ones are quite nice. Ive got a cheap knockoff myself and quite enjoy it. Im not a service member, but as an avid outdoorsman its a near perfect survival knife and is incredibly versitile. My only complaint is that mine is lacking some power in the wire cutter designed to cut barbed wire fencing, but i dont necessarily plan to do a lot of barbed wire cuttinf anyways, so a very minor hangup. I got mine for around $30 on amazon, compared to nearly 200-300 for a legitimate m9 sabre, so the downside is easily outweighed by the nearly 90% discount i bought it for
Imagine how scary the military would be if they let them “build their class” as it were, personal knives, guns, etc
K-Bar - "If ain't broke, don't fix it"
That "tang" is a freakin' tragedy, jfc
thick enough to be a pry bar but the second you use it as a pry bar it’ll snap at the tang
Had one issued at CIF, every time I PCS’d, but never used it. Leatherman or Gerber usually got the job done.
The only time we used it was in BCT.
Ex Infantry Army grunt here. We were issued these when we deployed to Iraq and I was one of the last generations to go through the bayonet assault course in Fort Benning. And yeah, it's not a great bayonet. I'll never understand whey they just didnt make it ful tang, instead of the pointless over complicated screw tang. That and the handle is circular, which sucks. The only good side to this bayo is the blade is INSANELY strong. I got drunk one night and quite literally stabbed a stone wall full force, and I'm a big dude. No damage at all other than scrathing.
The M9 was ok, and the blade thickness had NOTHING to do with it’s cutting ability. That was due to the type of steel it was made of, and 99% of soldiers not knowing how to properly sharpen a knife. I could literally shave with mine.
That being said, my daily carry/use knife and/or tool as a Medic, since we didn’t carry out M9’s unless we were deployed or in the field) was my Spyderco semi-serrated knife and my Gerber multi-tool. I also purchased my own Ka-Bar, for “other” purposes.
It was good for opening our MRE'S, but that was it. Almost everyone in my platoon kept a second knife and a multi tool.
We made this knife thicker so it could be used as a pry bar, and we also gave it a tiny ass tang so it could break at the first instance of being used as a pry bar
I'm not a soldier, but I am a tradesmen, knives make bad prybars, use a pipe, two by four, stick literally so many things u can find around you work better
Sounds exactly how something "Government Issued" would be built.
Switching knives is faster than reassembling
“Hey look we made this knife to work as a pry bar! Don’t try pry anything open tho you’ll snap it in half” awesome work guys!
Not being MOLLE compatible is the least of this bayonet concerns, but MOLLE didn't exist when the bayonet/sheath was introduced in 1986
That tang!?!? Yeah, whom ever made the knife, has absolutely no idea how to make a knife.
This is probably the actual problem with it!
No wonder they hated it!
They wanted people to use it as a pry bar?!
It's a KNIFE!
Just give them a pry bar!
Remember guys: “military grade” means the thing that barely passes requirements for the cheapest cost
Meanwhile the KA-BAR and Fairbairn Sykes dagger continue to exist and be damn fine knives