Great video Dan. I am in the process of restoring and building up a 1990 Chateau d’Ax Moser team bike. 1990 is a pivitol year as that is when the Dura Ace 7403 was released to the teams. The Chateau d’Ax team had begun integrating the new dual pivot brakes as well as dual control shifters sometime after the Giro but not all team members received them. In fact Gianni Bugno didn’t seem to begin using them until late in September. I’ve found quite a few photos showing the mix of DT and brake lever shifters among the team. I am building my Nike up to reflect the DA 7403 as I already have a few bikes with DT DA 7400 and none with the dual control shifters.
The chromovelato (is that right) has grown on me and if I was so much younger and fitter, etc, etc, and could have either one, I think that would be my choice. It seems slightly livelier, and it’s certainly flashier. But let’s face it either would be a joy.
About 1987, I built a Bataglin SL frame with non-index Campy Chorus 7speed group. I weighed 90kg which proved to be too much and had to get it repaired then repainted in the three colour Stephen Roche design. But after a time, put it aside. Then I replaced with a Ciocc frame with criterium geometry in blue and chrome. Lovely bike. There was a postman in our club similar in size and weight from whom I bought 3 bikes if I recall. So I used Shimano on the touring bike for club rides and the Ciocc for races. Italian frames looked beautiful but not always the best built. Though another club rider had a celeste Bianchi that I quite fancied. A favourite now would have been my Raleigh International. But a Professional or Schwinn Paramount maybe. My work horse was a Marinoni SP frame: comfortable and reliable. My vote for the classic looking Battaglin. The new bikes look flashy but they seem to be lagging behind with narrow tires still. I do not miss the days of gluing tires. Nor having a new tire flat after a few weeks and throw it out long before it was worn.
Great video Dan. Wouldn’t be able to make a decision between the two bikes.,but looking forward to seeing this video nonetheless the less. All the best . Safe riding.
I’ll take the red, white, and blue frame with the Dura Ace parts. I ride a 1983 Gitane Super Corsa with Dura Ace 7 speed. I’ve got all the French parts - Simplex, Stronglight, etc - but the Dura Ace is so much better. DA 7400 was the first modern groupset and it still compares favorably with contemporary components.
Ah, keep an eye on the channel - have an `83/`84? Gitane TDF (chrome forks, Vitus 181 and huret/modelo) replica being restored soon - sourcing the Duper U kit soon... Dan
Very nice, on the Dura ace you can put a 30t cassette, sometimes 32t, just put a longer B screw on the rear derailleur. Smaller chainrings like a 48t or 50t helps also. Works great. 7400 brifters are my favourites, very short throw
I actually have a 1988 Battaglin just like yours. I'm not sure if it was ever a team bike but has the full C Record, Rolls, Cinelli bars & stem - only odd thing is the rims are period Wolber clinchers instead of tubulars.
Nice - swopped out rims is not that rare - if it was a team bike they often kept the wheels for stock - does yours have a serial number on the frame? Dan
@@vintagevelos9517 so got to check finally - it's stamped as a 55 on the non-drive side and the drive side of the BB is stamped 1489 and opposite to that appears to be C-69-1 🙂
I would go with clinchers anymore. Unless they were on a classic bike. But you could always change wheels for convenience. I remember lots of struggles with new setups and glue all over myself.
Dan, I know the builder and geometry can matter but do you notice any ride difference in TSX compared to SLX? Is TSX noticeably stiffer, and even closer to Aluminium than what you said in video about how close SLX is to Al?
Hmmm... yep, will do a video later this year on `90`s frame materials - though I can`t stress how important a top end frame builders influence is. Can tell the difference between SL/SLX but SLX/TSX is too similar for me - Columbus EL oversize feels just like Dedechai Ally though... Dan
I like both bikes. Kinda sad that you're experiencing more fake products. Though if you use old LOOK pedals LOOK still produce their Delta cleats and bike shops stock them
I do like Look cleats a lot - if I`m honest, its only Shimano parts off ebay that I`ve had issue with - LBS stock has been spot on - you can really hear the "crack" when the cleat lets go - glad I wasn`t climbing... DAn
Hi Dan, new to your channel and love it already. I have done many Eroica’s in various countries and currently have an Eroica related number plate I want to sell. GA10LEV……Vivo Gaiole!!! Know anyone that might be interested?
Best bike channel on RUclips! I love your videos!
I`ll take that, thanks, Dan
Love those Delta brakes myself, look so cool.
Yep, they are like nothing else... Dan
Hi Dan , very hard to choose but I’d probably go for the’89,great video as always.
In my humble opinion the best vintage bike channel on RUclips.
The `89 is a stunner, thanks, Dan
Great video Dan. I am in the process of restoring and building up a 1990 Chateau d’Ax Moser team bike. 1990 is a pivitol year as that is when the Dura Ace 7403 was released to the teams. The Chateau d’Ax team had begun integrating the new dual pivot brakes as well as dual control shifters sometime after the Giro but not all team members received them. In fact Gianni Bugno didn’t seem to begin using them until late in September. I’ve found quite a few photos showing the mix of DT and brake lever shifters among the team. I am building my Nike up to reflect the DA 7403 as I already have a few bikes with DT DA 7400 and none with the dual control shifters.
Now I do have a soft spot for thChateau Mosers - classic green hue scheme? Dan
The chromovelato (is that right) has grown on me and if I was so much younger and fitter, etc, etc, and could have either one, I think that would be my choice. It seems slightly livelier, and it’s certainly flashier. But let’s face it either would be a joy.
Yep, I am taken with the sportier ride, Dan
About 1987, I built a Bataglin SL frame with non-index Campy Chorus 7speed group. I weighed 90kg which proved to be too much and had to get it repaired then repainted in the three colour Stephen Roche design. But after a time, put it aside. Then I replaced with a Ciocc frame with criterium geometry in blue and chrome. Lovely bike. There was a postman in our club similar in size and weight from whom I bought 3 bikes if I recall. So I used Shimano on the touring bike for club rides and the Ciocc for races.
Italian frames looked beautiful but not always the best built. Though another club rider had a celeste Bianchi that I quite fancied. A favourite now would have been my Raleigh International. But a Professional or Schwinn Paramount maybe. My work horse was a Marinoni SP frame: comfortable and reliable.
My vote for the classic looking Battaglin. The new bikes look flashy but they seem to be lagging behind with narrow tires still. I do not miss the days of gluing tires. Nor having a new tire flat after a few weeks and throw it out long before it was worn.
A Ciocc with Dedacciai steel?
@@bradford_shaun_murray Columbus SL?
@@davidbee9563 All nice, Dan
Marinoni !!!.. I'd love to get another custom steel frame. Beautiful bikes !
Great video Dan.
Wouldn’t be able to make a decision between the two bikes.,but looking forward to seeing this video nonetheless the less.
All the best .
Safe riding.
Its a tough call, Dan
I’ll take the red, white, and blue frame with the Dura Ace parts.
I ride a 1983 Gitane Super Corsa with Dura Ace 7 speed. I’ve got all the French parts - Simplex, Stronglight, etc - but the Dura Ace is so much better.
DA 7400 was the first modern groupset and it still compares favorably with contemporary components.
Ah, keep an eye on the channel - have an `83/`84? Gitane TDF (chrome forks, Vitus 181 and huret/modelo) replica being restored soon - sourcing the Duper U kit soon... Dan
Hi Dan both stunners but it would be the 89 for me 😍
I love SL it's just comfortable AND quick....
Yep, hard to fault, Dan
Awesome info dude really enjoyed this one 😊 Pete 🚴🏻🚴🏻👍💪
Great stuff, glad you enjoyed it, Dan
We Race On Vintage Bikes, Single Speeds, and Modern Carbon Bikes.
Nice to have a selection so you don't get bored & Appreciate all of them.
Yep, got some super old antique bike stuff coming soon... Dan
I would flip a coin to choose. Can't go wrong with either one.
Sounds fair, Dan
Fun downhill action :)
Sure was - had to brake so hard it shifted the camera... Dan
I have the Battaglin ,"World Champion '87. Tt "Funny Bike ".Just glorious. Can't ride any more,but great memories.
Bought the frame($700+) in '89,or'90. From Excel sports intl. In Colorado.
It has the sloping top tube,26" front wheel and cow horns.
@@davidschaadt3460 Now that is one cool ride, Dan
nice bikes and matching kit. before my time, id like to get one of those wilier superleggera's as a "modern vintage" bike
Yep, Wilier do some really good new/old frames - as do Battaglin, Dan
My vote goes to the Battaglin C-Record bike. I happen to have C-Record on my '89 DeRosa, gorgeous group set. 80's version of aero.
Its a great groupset - super stiff if a little beefy, Dan
Indeed, beefy, but I equate beefy with longevity. BTW I chose to use Simplex friction shifters and Chorus brakes when I assembled the bike.
Carrera Chromo Velatto, Bellísima!
Jlo has some Carrera glasses. Got them at the local Apothecary from the block.
Very nice, on the Dura ace you can put a 30t cassette, sometimes 32t, just put a longer B screw on the rear derailleur. Smaller chainrings like a 48t or 50t helps also. Works great. 7400 brifters are my favourites, very short throw
Blimey, thats some range without changing the cage - yep, 8 speed shifters are the best for Dura Ace, Dan
I actually have a 1988 Battaglin just like yours. I'm not sure if it was ever a team bike but has the full C Record, Rolls, Cinelli bars & stem - only odd thing is the rims are period Wolber clinchers instead of tubulars.
Nice - swopped out rims is not that rare - if it was a team bike they often kept the wheels for stock - does yours have a serial number on the frame? Dan
@@vintagevelos9517 It's in the other house at the moment but when I go there next I'll check and come back to you 🙂
@@vintagevelos9517 so got to check finally - it's stamped as a 55 on the non-drive side and the drive side of the BB is stamped 1489 and opposite to that appears to be C-69-1 🙂
@@johnflynn4923 Those are regular Battaglin derial numbers - team bikes tended to just have a rider number and maybe the size, but not always... Dan
I would go with clinchers anymore. Unless they were on a classic bike. But you could always change wheels for convenience. I remember lots of struggles with new setups and glue all over myself.
The Bataglin
Nice choice, Dan
Dan, I know the builder and geometry can matter but do you notice any ride difference in TSX compared to SLX? Is TSX noticeably stiffer, and even closer to Aluminium than what you said in video about how close SLX is to Al?
Hmmm... yep, will do a video later this year on `90`s frame materials - though I can`t stress how important a top end frame builders influence is. Can tell the difference between SL/SLX but SLX/TSX is too similar for me - Columbus EL oversize feels just like Dedechai Ally though... Dan
@@vintagevelos9517 thanks, yeah makes sense what you say. You're observation there on EL OS interesting.
you are a funny guy.
I try not to take things too seriously, Dan
I like both bikes. Kinda sad that you're experiencing more fake products. Though if you use old LOOK pedals LOOK still produce their Delta cleats and bike shops stock them
I do like Look cleats a lot - if I`m honest, its only Shimano parts off ebay that I`ve had issue with - LBS stock has been spot on - you can really hear the "crack" when the cleat lets go - glad I wasn`t climbing... DAn
@@vintagevelos9517 oh yeah. Sometimes you gotta spend a little more to at least know you're getting the right stuff
Hi Dan, new to your channel and love it already. I have done many Eroica’s in various countries and currently have an Eroica related number plate I want to sell.
GA10LEV……Vivo Gaiole!!! Know anyone that might be interested?
Nice - not my thing but I`m sure its up someones street, Dan