CORE and FREEDOM themes sound strangely good together (DELTARUNE and UNDERTALE)
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- Опубликовано: 12 фев 2024
- Today I found that the main bassline in CORE and the FREEDOM theme (also sometimes called the secret boss theme), work really well together (with a wee bit of transposition).
There is always the possibility that this is a complete coincidence, just another content starved DELTARUNE fan grasping for clues. I however believe there is some importance to this. With W.D. GASTER's UNDENIABLE connection to both the CORE and secret bosses, I think this mashup of themes could be used in music in a later chapter, when he inevitably appears.
Whatever it is, this connection
seems
very
VERY
INTERESTING
WHAT DO YOU THINK?
Thankyou @Bearman851 for making an actual song out of this :) ruclips.net/video/R_Bl24EkuQQ/видео.htmlsi=xtQGwuJT-9GIP5gZ
YO, no problem man!
Deltarune secret boss UST composers: WRITE THAT DOWN, WRITE THAT DOWN!!!
Did u mean OST or am I just stupid
UST means Unofficial Sound Track @@gregory9033
@@gregory9033 OST means Official/Original Soundtrack, UST means Unofficial/Unoriginal Soundtrack
@LunaticSurname Oh ok! i'll fix the comment
Done!
@@gregory9033 UST means Unofficial Soundtack I think. when people create their own fanmade songs
Gaster intensifies
How to summon the doctor
*Gaster fazes in doing Orange Justice*
Yeah im pretty sure this could be mixed with gaster's theme as the bass line or something.
I'm Wing Gangster! The Royal Scientist!
@sploofmcsterra4786 if Andrew Cunningham's video on the Gaster motif is to be believed, it already is the basis for the freedom motif, so that would be redundant.
This is going to be the Deltatraveler CORE section i am calling it
unfortunately, we already know the music for that section (or the LOSTCORE as it’s called ingame) is just CORE slowed down (unless they retcon it)
Someone show them this video @@lisatroiani6119
well NOW it will be thanks to this video
real deltatraveler section 8 leak
@@lisatroiani6119 i think they would remake it, every single location so far had its own unique changed theme
Edit: i confused this game with undertale yellow since i am playing them both at the time, apologies
Someone turn this into a gadget battle theme
Go go gadget!
GO GO GADGET GASTER BLASTER!
go go gadget stop genocide!
I'm always on duty.
Go go gadget open a dark fountain and frame Kris!
its kind of uncanny how natural they sound put together, its like they were made as countermelodies for each other
What if they were...
They are both related to Wing Gaster
@@diamondmemer9754 Wing Gaster? The royal Scientist?
@@PeridotEX "Alphys might work faster, but she'll never be as dapper as Wing Gaster"
"How can I say so without fear?
One time I met Wing Gaster, the Royal Scientist right here"
@@diamondmemer9754are you high?
Also circus dialtone and lantern sound like parts of complete melody.
Lantern is just Rude Buster slowed down but yeah, Circus and Dialtone both use the Freedom leitmotif
Not to mention, Circus is basically just a less demented Carnival too...
Circus and Dialtone are both part of The World Revolving
Is it me or does dialtone sound kinda like A town called hometown?
Considering Gaster canonically made the Core and implied to be connected to the secret bosses, that makes sense
This doesn't sound like just regular "oh haha mix Toby music it still sounds good". After hearing this I do think there is a very good chance the freedom theme was first written in a song with the core theme (probably for one of the last fights).
Would love to see people try and mix these into a battle theme regardless.
probably not
There's also a theory that the Freedom Theme was written with Gaster's Theme in mind which is Very very interesting if you get what I mean
VERY,
VERY,
I N T R E S T I N G
@@DJSlimeball why do so many people deny completely plausible theories on things toby could be planning
@@perhapsmoosebecause it’s a very superficial connection. If two motifs are written for similar bpms, it’s pretty easy to put them in the same key and have them sound good.
The more likely answer if anything is that the freedom motif was written to sound good with as many other motifs as possible to leave all his options open. (Ex. Don’t forget motif in the world revolving, power of neo/battle against a true hero motif in big shot)
We need a full cover, NOW
Agreed :O
YES!
I would be interesed on hearing the freedom motif added in different themes
Such as the freedom motif in Pokemon scarlet and violet's vs sada/turo battle theme, imagine that
@@martinmoraurena4155 theres a vid like that already: search "para-doxxed - deltarune x pokemon mashup"
Freedom + Penumbra Phantasm
@@martinmoraurena4155 there is already a thing like that
ironic seeing both are connected to gaster
VERY VERY INTERESTING indeed
wing deltarune chapter 6?!?!?!?
confirmed 2030
@@bumpersincapped It just got delayed to 2050 :(
I'm Wing Gaster! The royal scientist
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@@Miles02c *falls off*
Not gonna lie, I feel like as these chapters come out, it'd be so cool if a ton of different motifs could all form together like a musical puzzle into some sort of super song to represent gaster being shattered across everything
permission to take advantage of this lil discovery?
of course :)
@@jameshurley7867 Do I also have permission to use this neat discovery in something?
@@DeusVult838 👍
The two feel like they belong together. Perhaps we will one day see a song that combines the two motifs in Deltarune.
Was listening to this and one of my cats (very big, kinda stupid) tried to initiate play with another (kinda small, skittish)
So, congrats, we initiated a boss fight by playing this music.
The CORE of the world
Very amazing reccommendations of bop
Someone will make this into a fanmade secret boss theme, at least i hope they do because this melody has potential
Yep. Wing Gaster the royal scientist definitely has something to do with this.
secret bosses do tend to have a theme of being cast away _and_ themes of freedom, so if The Entire Phucking Underground were to be turned into a dark fountain, the core would likely be a secret boss, if such a large object could be a singular item in a dark world, or even if a dark world could be created in such a large space
waiting for some guy to see this and make a gaster core that starts like this, which plot wise somewhat makes sense considering that gaster was likely the one to tell jevil and spamton about freedom, and he also built the core
I think this could be called either "Serene Chaos" or "Mechanical Chaos"
Artificial Freedom
@@DAVINNIA314 that's clever as it can possibly be
@@Devious_One7 Thanks! Yours were creative, too! Just a little Jevil focused... Which is Good, Jevil is great!
@@DAVINNIA314 its the fact that it is TWR with CORE that made me focus on Jevil. If it was just the Freedom motif or mayhaps TWR and BIG SHOT I would've thought more freedom focused names
@@Devious_One7 OK, I get it! Your decision makes sense!
Personally, I would've picked something like "Chaotic Engine", or "Chaos Machine" for that, but yours is as good or maybe even better than mine!
Also, another shared name could be "Core Memory", because of Gaster Trauma and all that...
For "BIG SHOT" maybe something like "Automatic Big Shot" or something like that, IDK... IMO this one's harder to think than the others...
It was always my headcanon that CORE was Gaster's full theme back in UNDERTALE. And when DELTARUNE released I thought the same about the freedom motif. This makes so much sense
Someone seemingly got close into making this a reality, but w/ that field of-.!.!
At the risk of sounding really pretentious, here is why I think it sounds so nice together.
The CORE represents the suspense of being so close to the end of the journey. It is the last area before confronting Asgore and at that point in the story every single monster in the underground knows it. So the apprehension isn't just within Frisk, but the whole of the underground, it is so close that you can taste it. So the bass line of CORE follows in that suspense, never quite getting where it needs to be, but always building to it.
Meanwhile, the Freedom Motif represents largely the same concept. In the two times we have seen it so far (Jevil and Spamton for anyone in the future who stumbles upon this) this plays in wildly different contexts but conveying the same thing; The desire or revelation of being free from something. Jevil's use of the motif is dominant, essentially serving as the entire melody of the song because to him he is already completely free within his little insanity, whereas Spamton's use is almost hidden behind the cacophony of other sounds and madness happening around him, implying that deep down all he wants (more than to be a big shot or whatever else) is for this madness he finds himself to end, or freedom from it in other words.
So put these two concepts together and you are left with a question and a hopeful answer. The CORE gives you the feeling that something is coming, something you should be excited for even if you can't imagine what it would be. Then, gently, the motif floats in and shows you what all of this buildup will have been for, the buildup still going on in the back but now with much more hope as the sound of freedom now dominates the space.
Really cool idea to layer them, I wouldn't have ever thought to do that, but now that I have heard it it makes so much sense.
This sounds so good, even though I suck at all things music I will try to use this for something maybe
go ahead, I'm sure it will be great!/srs
Thank you! @@jameshurley7867
Do you by chance have a discord that I can contact you from?
For some reason I think that this is going to age VERY VERY well
Gaster's creations go well together, of course!
If we ever get a vessel secret boss this is how i immagine the Freedom motif to sound like
I pointed this out before, and it's odd how people seem to disagree. Actually, a really good case in point for this would be Undertale Magenta's CORE theme, GEOTHERMAL
This sounds strangely banger
I think freedom theme actually just fit good with everything
Wowr really sounds good)
the core sounds great with almost any other theme
And that’s how Spamton was made
Omg got that right there is a perfect rythim
I'm Wing Gaster! The royal scientist!
unironically huge
me who got goosebumps from this:
Just put the gaster theme in there and itll be icing on the cake
Freedom theme already uses the Gaster Theme as its base
btw, that melody taken from the CORE's bassline is used in many other tracks from the game, like Waterfall and Another Medium.
It actually predates Undertale, its first use by Toby publicly being for the track "Patient", revealed in his Tumblr in 2012.
Part of me wanted to think this was silly at first but
- Gaster invented the CORE
- He's seemingly quite involved with Deltarune somehow
- Freedom motif is the strongest musical representation of Gaster's theme in the game
Yeah no that checks out, I wouldn't be surprised if Toby planned these themes that way, provided they are in the same key. Though it's just as possible that it may not be intentional and just worked out nice, given how far you have to transpose
There's also some fuckery with a Homestuck intersection too. Case #1 being Gamz- i mean Jevil, and to a lesser extent, Lil C- i mean Spamton.
Alongside some definite "your choices dont matter" vibe in both...
Both involving some Skeleton(?) who dominates one Aspect (Time or Space). How do you expect to outrun them when they're already here?
interesting...
very,
very,
interesting...
what do you think?
Oh this is such a clever blend. Gave me asmr tingles
Probs cause CORE already has a similar leitmotif to freedom used later on in the theme.
Freedom of the Core
Its worth noting the main motif used here is not specific to The CORE. Its the motif used in Ruins, Waterfall, and Another Medium.
Yeah that is true. One thing to note however is that in [BIG SHOT], there's that part where power of "neo" is used to represent spamton being spamton "neo". this is despite the fact power of "neo" is just Battle Against A True Hero. So Toby using the CORE baseline to represent the CORE, despite it being used in other things as well would not be a new thing. Whether this was intentional or not is up to interpretation. I personally believe it was unintentional, but still likely to appear in later chapters. :)
@@jameshurley7867 Thats true, but I feel like the actual core melody would also go REALLY well with the freedom motif. They have extremely similar rhythms, which is probably why freedom motif goes so well in its place
Hence why they merged Power of Neo with The World Revolving
Ideas were spawned here.
CRAP THEY DO SOUND FANTASTIC TOGETHER
WE MAKIN IT OUT OF OUR CREATION WITH THIS ONE 🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣
it's all coming together
The CORE if it was ranned by Spamton/Jevil/Gaster or whatever other insane selfaware character
at 2:10 in core, the freedom theme works even better
feel like my third eye is opening listening to this
My guess is that was planned all along... 😱
Bro cooked
for a moment i thought that this was just a strange coincidence and it didn't mean anything but then i remembered about him
You making Music :piano noises
Faster slowly appears: nice music
ＭＩＮＥ ＮＯＷ
this sort of sounds like Last Breath Renewed phase 3: An Interesting Reunion which is kinda cool
I think it could be because the notes placement, in some places they fill out some spaces and in others they harmonize, but idk, had my music classes a long while back ^^'
But yeah, I can agree on the fact it sounds strangely good together
Huh, this does flow together nicely
hm, something makes me feel like CORE's theme will be featured in a later boss fight...
Same but Penumbra Phantasm
I'm waiting for the full version
INTERESTING
VERY
VERY
INTERESTING
Why does this work so well-
Gaster motif go brrr
They have the same key signature. A lot of songs in Undertale and Deltarune do. I don't see how this is a big surprise
oh wow, someone should produce a proper remix of that. good spot
Freeing the Core
soul wants freedom from gaster's experiment
wow someone else who uses musescore
I try finding others who do stuff on here but I can almost never get in contact with them
If you add Gaster's theme and maybe Another him or Don't Forget, I feel like it would make a sick Gaster battle theme
i mean the “freedom” motif (or whatever word it is i forget) is used with the metaton ex’s song in “big shot” which im pretty sure uses the same key (not 100% sure tho)
Core good with almost all songs, lol
sure do wonder what happened in the core that has this connection to the secret bosses hmmmm
Build upppppp to DROP WITH SYNTHESIZERS AND DRUMS.
I can hear it in my head
Me too someone's gotta make a whole song outa with with synth and drums and stuff
You called?
ruclips.net/video/R_Bl24EkuQQ/видео.html
Reminded of the Undersea Palace and Black Omen themes from Chrono Trigger
NOW *YOU* CAN BE FREE WITH ME, ME
Lore of CORE and FREEDOM themes sound strangely good together (DELTARUNE and UNDERTALE) momentum 100
surely im not the only one who atleast hears a bit of spamtons theme, right? (spamton neo theme in particular)
Ya it's cause freedom theme appears in [BIG SHOT], specifically in the bit where "power of -NEO-" plays
It kind of makes sense since the freedom theme is usually associated with Gaster. I wonder if that will tie into Deltarune in an interesting musical way
Wing Gaster Ch 6 bunkerlab theme
Wow this is nice I love it
WING GASTER
gaster battle theme motif leak
yall actin like this isent literally just what [BIG SHOT] is
Toby fox is a music genius. If this wasn’t on purpose, he probably at least acknowledges this
Imagine if gaster's theme starts with this
The Unified CORE
NOW HOLD ON
If this was a boss theme in like undertale genocide or something at some point there is bound to be orchestral
nice
holy crap this DOES sound good-
Sounds pretty....
Yes
the closest theory i have to this is that the secret bosses have a common leitmotif and since spamton neo uses the metaton neo leitmotif which uses the core leitmotif
We need a full remix of this stat