Driverless Cruise car struck by San Francisco firetruck; passenger injured
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- Опубликовано: 17 авг 2023
- A driverless Cruise car and a firetruck collided in San Francisco late Thursday night, sending one passenger to the hospital.
One of the firefighters involved in the accident claims the vehicle "lurched" at the intersection and did not yield to their truck approaching with lights and sirens. abc7ne.ws/45wT2rj
#driverless #selfdriving #cruise #car #abc7news
The fact that Cruise isn’t owning up to their fault (not having control for instances such as emergency vehicles) is enough in itself not to use Cruise. Just because the Cruise Car “entered the intersection on a green light” doesn’t mean they have the right of way. If it were a regular manned car then the driver would be liable.
exactly, if i were driving, continued through the light because it was green, failed to stop for an emergency vehicle, AND were hit by the emergency vehicle, i would absolutely be criminally liable
The car is using Californian Artificial Intelligence. It only knows how to drive like a Californian. A Californian would have ignored the siren too.
its a business and they just tryna save face so they can make some money
This is exactly what I’ve been telling people when is comes to av’s: WHY WOULD COMPANIES WANT TO BE HELD LIABLE FOR THEIR MISTAKES! COMPANIES WILL NEVER TAKE ACCOUNTABILITY UNLESS THEY’RE FORCED TOO.
A fire truck has the right of way…the fire truck is NOT at fault….a fire truck heading to a call shouldn’t have to watch out for stupid driverless cars.
no they don't, they are not cops and can't do anything. As free American, i ignore their stupid lights and siren.
@@001lookerRespect
It's called "due regard"... That said, these self driving vehicles don't have the required awareness to be on our roads.
I've never seen a city with such disdain for its emergency responders.
Every firetruck should have a camera recording when in motion.
ALL first responders should have cameras on them.
They do. Firetruck was most likely at fault here. It's actually illegal for fire engines to blow through red lights, let alone green lights. Cruise also has dashcam evidence of them being in the right. I still hate these cars though.
@@Ianlyful Fire trucks can trigger an all-way red light, and can legally drive on the wrong side of the road to pass the traffic queue at the red light. Likely, the strobe sensor wasn't working on the traffic signal, or it was an older traffic signal that didn't have a strobe sensor.
Can the robotaxi hear and respond the emergency vehicle sirens? If not, they have no business on the road.
It likely can't even make the distinction between real life sirens and sirens from a radio ad.
Yes but cruise sucks. All you have to do is tail gate the car to make it freak out
@@toy4taoor put a cone on the hood
I remember thinking when I heard 'Driverless automobiles' a few years ago... "That's too good to be true!". ... apparantly I predicted correctly.
No, not really.
you did not
Vehicles are supposed to pull over to make way for emergency vehicles.
Cali is slowly burning. I just hope they keep all their ppl in their state. No one wants u to move to the east coast 💀
@@joseabreu-nn5cu okay with me, I no longer freeze in your fringed weather. Enjoy your thaw in April.
Only people that are stupid pull over for FD. Being they are not cops, I ignore them and flip them off as free American.
Passanger hit the jackpot
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
They need to fix that, all vehicles need to yield for an emergency!!
I am proud not to yield to anyone but cops. FD is asking for right of way being they have no way to ticket anyone that ignore them.
This is titled weirdly..."driverless cruise car struck by firetruck". Usually the firetrucks have the right of the way if they are driving to quench a fire. So shouldnt the title be "a driverless cruise car hits a firetruck"? I think personally that the cars sensors told the car it had the right of the way and those sensors didnt recognize the situation correctly with the firetruck approaching with its lights and sirens on.
And wait until they release Driverless Semi Trucks 😂
its clear the self driving cars dont know how to respond to emergency vehicles. get them off the road
So your saying handicapped and disabled people don't deserve to travel?
@@ryshellso526 don't be ridiculous. There's already wheelchair accessible taxis on the roads, just with someone behind the wheel
@@ryshellso526 they cN call a taxi or Uber where a living person drives the car??? You’re inhaling too much of that Fent air
Yeah like every day citizens are not crashing threw out the day and are nascar veterans
Do you even realize how many people do stupid things around emergency vehicles all the time? Even if it was a little delayed, at least that second AI pulled to the side
The passenger was smart to request a hospital trip... $$$
Take notes, everyone! They're out there again this weekend 😮
Ummmmm fire department was on scene its obvious
I would of request a helicopter.
Lmao fuckin right. That were me I’d totally be like “Oh my back and neck feel funny. Oh if only there was some sort of *compensation* I could be entitled to.”
Driverless cars don't belong in cities. We need better public transit.
incredibly dangerous, waymo should be held criminally liable, and that doesn't even speak to a situation in which someone actually dies in a fire because firefighters couldn't reach them in time
This case is cruise, Not waymo
When people drive drunk they have their license suspended.
I think the entire Cruise fleet needs to be suspended.
Cops don't come and the fire department can't get to you. Way to go, SF.
Another company can come to the fire!
If only the politicians and progressive voters were just software applications
Wanna buy my timeshare, then? I am paying for the right to complain, pal--every damn month--because I can't safely take my kid to the City and nobody wants to buy my now worthless "luxury hotel in the Mission Dstrict", so keep on calling me names.
I am not a stranger to the city. You made a false assumption and you owe me an apology.
Outsourced
here in canada you must yield and our emergency vehicles due slow than proceed
The other day, I saw a Cruise robot hit a guy on a sidewalk with the wing mirror. The pedestrian jumped out of the way, which minimized the contact. The person was well into the crosswalk when the Cruise car advanced across the intersection where it had just stopped for the posted sign.
You didn't give much information. Questions of curiosity:
-Was this just a crosswalk on its own or was it at a traffic light or stop sign?
-Was the pedestrian crossing when they were supposed to walk?
-If the pedestrian wasn't there, was the car doing what it was supposed to do?
@@tommyl5319 it was the intersection of Bartlett St and 24th St in San Francisco. The Cruise was traveling north on Bartlett St. This intersection is a four way stop with marked cross walks.
The pedestrian had already entered the crosswalk before the Cruise proceeded to pull away from its stop.
If the pedestrian wasn’t there it would be behaving as expected. But it failed to yield to someone in the crosswalk.
@@sensualeyemore information please. Your truth is troubling my narrative and bias. 😂
@@MyFriendlyPup sorry, some of us like to have a clear picture of a situation to help understand what happened. I'm grateful for people like sensualeye who are mature enough to oblige me and not try to insult me with a bunch of assumptions
@@sensualeye I remember a few years ago, there was some RUclips video where they were testing some of the major automotive brands' features where the vehicles were supposed to stop automatically if it detects a person in the way. Most seemed pretty reliable, but one of them totally blasted through the dummy almost hilariously (obviously terrifying if you really think about it). Hopefully their systems are a little better than that, lol
Somewhere theres video of the accident.
It might have been free and clear but the cruise vehicle keeps going in front of the fire truck and or it delays in stopping after entering the intersection after the fire truck saw it was free and clear. You need two human factors in this situation, one will not do!
These cars obviously aren’t up to the task. The guy inside the car will be rich. 🎉
It's not like this is an everyday thing. For the crash, while it could be a fundamental flaw, it could also be as simple as a malfunction. Now for the video of the other car that was so slow to pull over, that's definitely a bit of a concern.
@@tommyl5319 “machines will fail.” Burt Reynolds
@@tommyl5319just imagine if every car and semi on the road was autonomous like this. I just want to say I had to replace a 2 year old wash machine in 2023 last month.
@@danielelij6997 you put the exact same pointless comparison on another of my replies. Anyone can make and sell a piece of garbage washing machine, no problem. Vehicles are radically different in numerous dimensions and not comparable. No one is clear if/when this technology will be ready enough to fully trust. This is testing on a small scale.
*when there is an emergency, your GREEN LIGHT means nothing. you will have to yield.* 🤣
Fire truck could’ve avoided the accident, but 100% evs fault. Likely wouldn’t have been an issue with a human
Did you not see the entire video? The Cruise never stopped until after the fire truck passed the vehicle. Sounds like they need to improve this system.
I’m Davenport Iowa one of our ladder trucks was going 60 mph down a street and wasn’t stopping, when you have a report of a child trapped in basement for fire there not gonna stop
They will stop as i am not going to yield to them. They are not cops and to me their lights and siren mean nothing. No I don't care what the law says.
@@001looker 🤔
That was lucky EV and its battery can catch fire just after the crash
Debating whether driverless car's should be on the roads only shows how greedy, insane and mixed up San Francisco has become. The peoplle responsible for putting them on the road need to be held accountable.
Lol, this is just tech companies dude. It's not just a San Francisco kind of thing. SF just happens to be where this particular company is piloting their program. I guarantee you that human drivers still kill a lot more people and create some much nastier collisions with emergency vehicles. Just try looking up emergency vehicle collisions/accidents. I just remembered the clip of the kid in the BMW recently who slid across the median and miraculously didn't kill a cop who jumped out of the way just right.
@@tommyl5319hey man I just wanted to remind you again I just replaced a wash machine that was only 2 years old and it’s 2023. Let me guess tho in your mind and world that you’re going to say that a technology that’s new as this and as detailed/sophisticated is going to come out the wood works and be perfect right? Again I just replaced a 2 year old wash machine in the year of 2023.
@@danielelij6997 oh, well you guess wrong. It's a significantly more complex piece of technology than a washing machine, and made by entirely different people with different qualifications and motivations. With my BS in EE and a little help from a mechanical engineer, I could design a washing machine. While we're making silly and meaningless comparisons, keep in mind the same dude who can't figure out how to not put onions on your 'no onions' order is driving around a particularly dangerous giant hunk of metal.
The self-driving technology obviously has a long way to go. These are just road tests. They wouldn't dare try to deploy it on a larger scale. As long as they've done their due diligence with preliminary testing, they should mainly be dealing with unexpected edge cases. No one will argue that an incident such as this collision is very significant and bears immediate and serious investigation into how it happened, but people are stupid and shallow and immediately want to shelve technology without doing any of that. If it turns out to be due to negligence in their design or the serious incidents repeat themselves, sure, kick them off the road or require a person in the car to be ready to take control in risky situations. If they can't resolve the annoying traffic problems that some caused the other day, reduce how many are on the road at a given time. It's not that difficult to determine a reasonable response. Whether or not SF holds them accountable in this way is obviously not within my control.
@@tommyl5319 yea see that’s where we’re different here. I look at it as humans can’t even build a wash machine in the year 2023 that are perfect. Don’t even get me started with TVs. The automotive industry has done a lot of research over the past century and came along ways into building a “significantly complex piece of technology” but you can go to your local dealerships and see that 2023 model cars can be in the shop for electrical issues just like old cars can. With your logic tho it’s, well this is a high tech complex piece of technology, we might can’t get all that other technology right that’s been out for decades after decades but we’re confident we can put this new technology of self driving can be out out on the road. It’s such stupid logic.
@@tommyl5319 Yes. Let's let these tech companies kill people and cause chaos on the roads while they test their systems out. At least the citizens will be able to share in the financial bonanza after the systems have caused enough chaos on our roads. Oh wait...
Got it! So the cruise vehicle didn’t yield or attempt to get out of the way of the EMERGENCY vehicle. Gotta love how the cruise company released the comment like they’re not at fault?! Being able to get out of the way of emergency vehicles is the responsibility of every vehicle on the road. If the company can’t figure out how to power a driverless car to do that function, sounds like they need to go back to the drawing board.
😂 that last line “3 mil miles without a single fatality”
They really just said “but did you die tho” 😂😂😂
if you're gonna have driverless cars then the passenger seat needs to have a steering wheel and brake/gas pedals as well so they can take over in an emergency
that's called a DRIVER
Oh yeah, just give all kinds of rando people the ability to takeover the functionality of a car that is not theirs and that they can drive and/or abuse however they see fit?! What could possibly go wrong… 😑
@@chrisjenkins203 Nothing could go wrong. Only benefits. By the way, rental cars is a thing and people don't usually steal them unless they want to be arrested. These driverless cars need your credit card and has cameras to film inside the car.
@@fluktuition Yeah, rental cars require you to actually have a govt issued ID and they check you out before allowing you to rent. Plus, things like insurance are required and most rental companies won’t rent to you if you’re under 25. On the other hand, it’s a well known fact that people sign up for Ride share apps with fake names, throw-away credit cards etc. So, it’s simple to hide your identity with ride share vs near impossible to do it when renting a car. But let me know if you want to compare apples to oranges anymore because that seemed like a “meaningful” and “intelligent” point you made 🫤 🤦
Get them off the roads! I just saw a 9 block traffic jam in downtown Austin!! Because a Cruise stopped and out its hazards on and would not move. The football game just got, and it's a nightmare!!
It's not going to work. Humans and these cars is not a good combination.
Must be the most terrifying event ever!
Those driverless vehicles are the worst things to ever hit the road.
Surprise Surprise. Keep these things off our roads.
It’s 2023 and the city STILL uses fire trucks?? Detroit quit using them YEARS AGO.
@@josephlandry8787 What does that mean? Why wouldn't you?
@@tommyl5319 why does the city still allow these dangerous fire trucks on the road?
@@josephlandry8787 okay, sarcasm finally registered
It's obvious that these driverless cars can't respond correctly to emergency vehicles, there should be some type of transmitters on all emergency vehicles and receivers on all driverless vehicles that alert these vehicles and give them information such as the type of emergency vehicle that's approaching so it can take appropriate action. Until this happens all self driving vehicles with no drivers to take control in case of emergency should not be allowed on public roads. Public roadways are not a good place to experiment with vehicles that could cause serious wrecks.
Yeah, but think about how much money the company is saving by not paying for driver’s! And think about how much bribe money they paid to politicians in order to get them on the road!
Why no media reports the criuse crash on Aug 18 at 26th and mission? That crash looks more serious and is the one of the two crash (the other one is this one) on the same day that lead to 50% fleet cut of cruise.
Reporter completely wrong regarding cars pulling over! Obviously, car did not pull over, stopped in middle of lane forcing emergency vehicle to pass in opposite lane
Like I said, self-driving cars can not predict unpredictable events like emergency vehicles coming with lights and sirens blazing.
For those of you that think that the drivers shouldn't stop for a emergency vehicle or that the emergency vehicle should wait because they're light is green hope you dont get to need one in life because they'll get there late and if you do need one hope you dont get mad because they dont get there in time because i mean they're waiting in the red light waiting for some driver to let them go i mean thats what you guys want anyways so be patient let them take there time till they get there
Fire truck always has right of way. ALWAYS. Who gives a damn about a driverless car. Why do they even exist
Well that's a law suit
It's like they're trying to not say its anyone's fault because they were the ones who wanted a Driverless car on the road 😂
We must get these dangerous fire truck off our streets!
No we must get the useless drivers that think that they shouldn't stop for an emergency vehicle with his lights and sirens on off the rode
Money always trumps safety. The electric scooters are another prime example
Cancel any robo taxi, any AI!
great reporting around 2min mark w capturing similar scenario and being persistent with interviewing - nice journalism work
As human driver, i often ignore FD being they are not cops and to me their siren means nothing.
Too bad the car cant figure out what a siren is, or maybe lights. Better update those algorithms, because you’re gonna want a “drive_on_sidewalk” or “Get_out_the_way” one eh? Maybe driver in the car wasnt doing their job eh, they are supposed to be paying attention (typical 4 wheeler)
GahhDamn
Hope the passenger is okay
This was such a predictable thing to happen. This is on the city for allowing these corporations to put people in danger.
San Francisco seems to like to tempt fate with automated transportation systems. I seem to remember automated BART trains colliding years ago when that system was inaugurated.
3 million mile is misleading. They usually operate from 9pm-5am when there are barely any drivers on the road. Most times they are making thousands of circles around empty streets
Get them off the streets
@ssb1056. Agreed 110% wit you…
This is not needed, an not tested well enough to be rolled out.
After reading cruises comment, I’ve come to the conclusion that they are not at fault 🙄
This journalist say no way she would move the car even if the light is green , she must have live in a different world from these drivers ive seen on the road 😂😂😂😂
Approved for robotaxi ….. oooppss nvm 😊
2:10 The Cruise vehicule did stop, and start again when the fire truck is gone.
I was nearly killed by a SUV speeding around a vehical. The SUV came into the opposite lame. My lane and nearly took me out. So close.
Those eyes
If you want to run autonomous vehicles safely they will have to have their own roads/lanes/ infrastructure.
I don’t trust the driverless cars, I’ve seen them speed up when you signal to enter the lane it is driving on.
Note that this was a side impact crash on the car by the fire truck. There was no way to have seen the fire truck until you are in the intersection to prevent the crash. The fire truck driver had the red light and should have expected cross traffic. What if someone (child or blind person) was in the crosswalk? Or someone on a bike? Or another emergency vehicle crossing? There is no difference. I think a jury would rule that fire truck driver is at fault for not being cautious.
Cruise: clearly the fault lies with the human driver in the fire truck and not the car that has literally no one driving it.
Disgraceful that people's lives are being put at serious risk just for Cruise and Waymo to make money. Ban them from the roads.
O wow
Firefighters no longer have to assure the intersection is safe to proceed through? I heard there was a passenger. Protection of life isn't a figmrefighters job anymore apparently. Disappointed in SFFD.
Cars need drivers even if it is in autopilot.
2:31 that's the fire chief!?!?!? She looks old, frail and physically unable to lift a hose.
This is the problem with single vehicle intelligence
I can't think of a worse idea than self-driving vehicles without anyone in the drivers seat on our roadways.
ACC, Lane assist, ESP/ASR, CAS even regular cars have a lot of systems that takes control away from the driver
@@Groza_Dallocort But there is still a driver behind the wheel. So that's a good thing.
@@fluktuition so far
No one died or injured huh! Looks like eventually someone will get hurt, question is do you want it to be you.
Oh I don't know....but when I have the right away with a green light I would normally stop and allow emergency vehicles through.
That's what the law requires. Ideally, the emergency vehicle has a strobe light that triggers an all-way red, to stop you from having a green light.
An investigation was opened by NHTSA National Highway Traffic Safety Administration 9 months ago, is this not further evidence that all this should be halted until the bugs are worked out. The human element can't be replaced. This is all on cruise.
Please check cctv
The automated cars are just like everyone else in the bay area, they don't stop or move out of the way for the firetrucks
Driverless Cruise: Yes, we had seven cameras recording at the time of the accident. No, none of the videos survived the accident to prove who was at fault. Sorry, but we think firetrucks shouldn't drive so fast during emergencies; or they might cause more accidents.
This driverless bullshit needs to stop! WEEK OF THE CONE 👍
You won't get me in one of those, or a 727Max.
The reason why these cars are bad
This unfortunate events, but self driving vehicle is still at infancy stage, and every problem is also new Data to improve self driving capabilities so when the technology mature probably 20-30 years in the future all known problem probably already has been fix
The fire chief likes what I like get my drift
Who's at fault? It's not who, it's what.
Ow I know why my bro says “I aint getting in one”
Liability on the Cruise.... for sure
Typical everyone will go in on the driverless cars. Blah Blah blah. Typical
the problem is fire trucks don't always turn on their siren. It's like red light for them and green for me one time on ocean ave, and the fire truck comes flying outta nowhere and could've hit me because no sound.. broad daylight no flashing lights.. i didn't even notice it flying out from the side
The problem is the AI, it has to be cancelled!
@@vkslife8772 what does that even mean here, "cancelled"
@@tommyl5319 It means we need to hit the AI robots with a baseball bat or something. That is how they are gonna learn "Artificially" to improve their "Artificial intelligence" alright. If you let these AI bots go easy, then their next generation or versions of AI are gonna be spoiled brats. Let them know who is their human daddy.
A fire truck doesn't need to use their audible siren, but they do have to at least use their visual siren if they want to have priority. Otherwise, the fire truck's driving isn't an emergency, and they have to obey the rules everyone else has to follow. E.g. it's driving back to the firehouse, it's off-duty and being driven to the mechanic for maintenance.
@@carultch yea that definitely wasn't an emergency.. we were just less than half a block at the firehouse.. they're just driving back there running lights
FD at fault.
its the firetrucks fault lol its simple, i understand he was doing a maneuver to get around a vehicle but they openly admitted to the firetruck bring at fault. i feel bad for the passenger in that car
Well if the billion dollar company with billions invested in the technology says there's nothing wrong with it I'm sure it's fine.
Its the firetrucks fault. He should've slowed down at the intersection and proceeded when clear.
The robot cars don't stop at intersections for sirens and lights.
I agree. I wasn’t there but I have seen these emergency vehicles do some crazy things. Plus these people are underpaid and don’t have the proper training.
@@MyFriendlyPup Still doesnt excuse the fact that the firetruck ran the red light.
@@danielkofman4592well it does actually because of they get to they're destination where the emergency is and they find the person dead who do think it's going to be the one on blame them because they didn't get there on time because some other people think that they don't need to stop of emergency vehicles because they have green light. Gosh it's like you guys don't even care about other people when you make those comments
Everyone wants to be cute and modern for their IG 🙄
San Francisco is a 3rd world country
SF Fire Chief is some kinda FREAK. What a messed up city, this could result in pedestrians getting hit. If you are in SF or CA, leave now.
Yeah these people are fucking crazy lmao
de fud up
Okay, quick who's surprised? No one I figured. Well maybe the Bud light execs don't understand
If i cant drink a beer while riding in an AV then AVs are absolutely useless lol
AI Fail!
Everyone knows who's at fault definitely not the smart human driver of a 20 ton truck mote likely the stupid computer car cutting in front of that bigger heavier strong vehicle 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 i bet those pos car are the types that would sit on a train track as a train approach 😂😂😂😂
Hmm, driverless vehicles - may have use - in Ukraine.