Great topic Matt! A couple of things regarding AimPoint as I took an AimPoint class here in South Florida. My instructor had me do things even differently than what you will typically see. To make judging the slope easier he had us visually look at the slope to determine right to left or left to right. Then he had us always stand with our heels on the down direction in the line of the putt where the biggest break is to figure the degree of slope. That way you get the “feel” faster on different degree slopes and you can more easily remember what a 1 degree, 2 degree, 3 degree slope feels like. Then you have to stand over your ball (not way back like you were). He then had us using our fingers held toward us instead of the way you traditionally see AimPoint done, of your fingers away from you (come here vs. stay away). You outstretch your arm in towards you (very close with bent elbow) if the greens are fast (so your fingers appear bigger) or more away from you if the greens are slower (fingers appear smaller). I use AimPoint quite a bit (as the more you use it, the better you get the feel of it). Then of course is you have execute to putt at your target and you must putt the correct distance. He said to always try to putt to get just past the hole or you won’t have a chance to get it in the hole. Another thing is if you feel that the slope might be 1 and a half degrees, then simply cross one finger partially over the other (pointer and middle finger) to give you the AimPoint off of the (as always) the flagstick. Works for me! In addition you should practice how far you need to take the club back to make a 5 ft., 10 ft., 15 ft. putt so you know to learn to hit those distances regularly. Could be a could subject for you to cover on one of your upcoming great videos!
What does “had us always stand with our heels on the down direction in the line of the putt” mean? Can you describe this in a different way or more in depth please thank you
For example, if you see the green is slopping right to left (where the right side is higher), then he would have us stand on the line of the putt facing right, so that our heels would be in the down position. That way you could feel the amount of pressure of the slope on your heels to do your measure of slope (1 or 2 or 3). I hope that explains it better for you.
Always get the eyes over the ball. As a rule of thumb if the putt looks one way from behind the hole and another in front of the hole , generally the put will be straight.
I use the plumb bob method because it's fairly accurate and quicker. First, calibrate your putter by using a door jamb in your house. All putters are going to hang differently depending on the head shape. Holding it lightly in your fingers slowly rotate/twist the putter until the shaft is parallel to the jamb. Once you see that it is vertical, put a small mark on the putter grip facing you. You now have a vertical putter shaft for your plumb bob. Great topic for a vlog Matt!!!
If with plumb bobbing you stand directly in line with the ball and hole on every putt surely every putt will have the shaft covering the ball and hole every time
When picking your starting line for the putt, the AimPoint method calls for you to stand over the ball when holding up your fingers. However, you appeared to stand 6’-10’ behind the ball, which will over-read the break, since the farther back you stand, the more break your fingers will indicate. The correct method is to stand over the ball.
AimPoint says you adjust the bend in your elbow for faster greens … and still stand over the ball. The method does require calibration for “today’s” green speed.
My biggest question regarding aimpoint is how the distance of the putt affects the size of ones fingers relative to the hole. For example, 2 fingers on a 10 footer and 2 fingers on a 40 footer are going to be drastically different given how far you are from the hole.
The two fingers does affect the amount of the read from different lengths of putts. At the same cross slope the putt will break more on the 40’ putt than the 10’ putt. The angle of the read remains the same but the farther the putt the distance above the hole increases.
Aimpoint is deadly accurate ❤ This is a 1 degree putt , you need to put your hand over the ball and use one finger for an accurate aimpoint read . Just saying that this video needs to be redone with a proper aimpoint method.
I've tried both and settled on plumb bob. You definitely need to "calibrate" your putter to determine which angle you should be pointing the putter face in order for that specific putter to be hanging truly plumb. Once found, I place a small yellow paint marker dot on the shaft so it's repeatable every time. There's other videos on how to get this all sorted. I would not use this method unless you take the time to do that.
I think it all depends on the speed at which the ball is being struck. Ben Crenshaw, l love his putting style, etc and so as Jack, Arnold, and Tiger BUT Ben is more of a sweeping taking all the slope kind of putt but the other 3 l think they are more on the attack jamb it in kind of putt lol. l think the majority of putts l confused myself by doing too much rather than just putting according to what my eyes see and the correct speed. Plumb bob is what l prefer.
Charzander has it figured out below, but I find it most convenient to hold my putter up to an outside corner of a building or a straight communications tower every time I play. Rotate the putter until the putter shaft matches the straight line. Use that putter head angle for the day. I'm a hobby woodworker, and am always checking lumber for straightness. I've watched putts that broke three inches and the person hitting the putt said "look at that, it didn't break at all". Speed is more important than line to me. If I've got the green speed down, then I'll really try to tighten up on my line.
Both are a rough guide in trying to determine your start line...w PlumBob: must determine how the putter hangs (must find vertical plane), w left to right break downhill will break more (.5 times more for instance) vs an uphill putt (which will break less), plus you will have to add additional break on faster greens vs slower greens (green speed of an #8 is allot slower than a #12). For instance: 10 ft putt, left to right downhill, the shaft is about 1 cup outside the hole; your aim is now 1 1/2 times the original plumbob...so its actually 1 and 1/2 cup outside the hole to account for the slope and faster green going downhill. On an uphill putt, the plumbob shows right edge, but because its uphill the actual start line maybe inside the cup (between the flagpole and the edge). So there are variables: how grainy the greens are, the slope, speed, uphill/downhill/side hill, whether the ball will die into the hole or its rammed into the hole (pace).
👍👍⛳⛳Great subject. Thanks. I practice and use both methods. Learned Aim Point about 2 years ago. Overall, I usually have better results with Aim Point - often amazing results. I find ways so neither method slows us up. I detest slow golf. I used mainly Aim Point yesterday morning at wonderful Columbia GC in Minneapolis - we played 9 holes in 1' 20". Less putts takes less time. Plumb bobbing your 3rd putt doesn't help pace of play.
I'm sorry but this is not correct. For Aimpoint system you have to stand right OVER the ball, not 10 feet behind, that's why it gives you too much break. And for Plumb technique you have to hold the putter with the OPPOSITE hand to your dominant eye.
The real benefit of any green reading methods is having some kind of a read that you trust to make a confident stroke. If you don't trust your read, most golfers will tend to make a crappy stroke. Find one that works for you, and learn to do it quickly!
when you use aimpoint, you stand at your ball to do the fingers. so in your examples, you over read by standing too far back! also, aimpoint uses percentage of slope, not degrees. so 1%, 2% and so on. to learn properly you can use a level app on your phone and drop it on the ground to check the slope percentage on the practice green. when you use aimpoint correctly, it's amazing. you will see more tour pros use it in the future. when i play casual rounds and it's a bit slow i use both to make sure my reads are correct. i would love to see you learn a bit more about aimpoint and then do this video again correctly.
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Plumb bob for me. It has really helped. Tells me with slope where to hit. I then use my putter to make a straight line to that spot and pick a spot about 6-12 inches past my ball to aim.
do you leave putts short if so pick a spot beside the hole, it worked better for me than right in front of the ball I had a issue of leaving putts 2ft short...but everybody is diff hope your playing well and having fun
I was taught to discover the plumb line of your putter by balancing your putter across your finger, and then mark (or take note of) the 12 o-clock position of the shaft. You would then pinch the putter shaft at the 12 and 6 o-clock positions, having either the 12 or 6 facing down the target line. I was also taught to eyeball the center of the shaft over the ball inline with the hole and the pick your aim point wherever the center of the shaft (or grip) landed. I only recently began using this technique again (not sure why I stopped) and it's pretty good. It at least gives me confidence on break so that I can focus on pace. On a side note: Recently while practice putting I took a phone call, and while on the phone I tooled around the practice green one-handed. WTF! I was draining one putt after another and getting inches from the hole on 30' putts. After the call, I continued to putt one handed and OMG, the results were insane. In fact, I got better results if I just walked up and struck the ball vs taking time to align the face. Even the pace was instinctual, almost as if all the calculations for face angle, clubhead speed, and center of the club were instantly updating the closer the club got to the ball. It seems our reptilian brains are better than any of these time demanding techniques. I'll be honest though, I'm too chicken sh... to do it on the course... For now. Great Video BTW!
When I putt I use the aim point method to see how the green breaks and where that break is. I look at the grass until I see a line. I need to use pace to get the ball to the break the green will do the rest. Always putt the shortest distance and that's to the break.
I have the same issue with aimpoint. I just don't feel the break in my feet. Even had a putting lesson with the local pro and he was telling me he could feel 2° etc, me nothing. Another method he suggested though was to stand alongside the line, facing it. So you're effectivley standing facking the line. So you can feel the slope from your toes to heels. I found this slightly better, but still not as good as the plumbob for me.
You train your feet to feel and calibrate that break through practice. I bought a level measured in percent of slope (the correct measure). You put it down, guess the break you feel, and look at the digital number. You do this over and over. You do it regularly to check your calibration (say, once a month). Easy peesey.
A key to plumb bob is identifying your dominant eye. You say you just close the opposite eye of the hand holding putter. To be accurate you need to close your non dominant eye
I use Plumb Bob to show me which way that the break is moving as sometimes it’s difficult to see the break but surely it is imperative to calibrate the putter for Plumb Bobbing to find where its true vertical hang is? Given that most green slopes are 1% or less (ie the subtle ones) then the ball will move 2-4” per foot of putt - speed of green + speed of putt dependant. So work out the direction of break, look at length of putt and multiply by 2!! So a 10’ foot putt (for most amateurs surely a high 10’ conversion rate is nirvana) on a slope will usually require 20” of aim outside the hole. If it’s more than 1% the slope is really obvious & not subtle requiring a greater distance of offset aim. When i first started using this method I could not believe how far outside the hole I was aiming on a 1% estimation and but the results were amazing. This also means that for a massively high % of putts from 18” and inside, there is no need to start the ball off on a line outside the hole.
Putting is a feel and intuition skill to me. I've made putts that no aiming technique would work other than "i feel and see it doing this...maybe...hopefully " Ive tried aimpoint , I even took a class with 4 other golfers to learn it. I didnt even use it for a whole round of golf. It ruined what little bit of putting prowess I had. I think set up and keeping my right shoulder pulled back works wonders on the greens. FOR ME
I use Plumb bob on anything over say 6 ft, but inside that I just use my eyes and pick a spot and roll over that spot. I've never had success with Aim point because I can't really feel the slope when it's not obvious. That being said, I am a decent putter, but I am NOT a great green reader. I need a green reading course. I am just trying to get to about 3ft or better and move along. I can't stand watching people line up putts for ever. I try and keep it moving and do it quickly.
Hi Sir. I'm pretty much like you, I have never had any luck with that Aim Point stuff, I am also quick at reading greens and play with just reading the grain,surroundings,at times I take it as far back as the fairway to get the feel of the green's slope. There's a gentleman here on RUclips called Mike Malaska, he did a simple putting video that changed my putting altogether,within 10" mainly. Please do yourself a favor and check that video out,it is quiet simple really,the more you practice the better it becomes. I have been using that method from 2019, it took me from a 17 and I'm now a solid 5H/C. I'm not a long hitter of the ball(I'm 1.68cm and 73kg) I can reach your average 350-400m greens in regulation...my short game and putting is where I make my money mostly😉have a look into that system,maybe you might like it too.👍🏿 Regards.
Incorrect Aim Point demo. He aimed from well behind the ball where’s as AimPoint aiming with 1-5 fingers is to be sited from standing AT the ball. This also explains why his erroneous AimPoint measurements were too wide. He also is not good at Plumb Bob
Better to subscribe to and view the aim point video which will give you the true method. It’s not degrees of slope it’s % slope and you read is way off because you lined up the putt way behind the ball.
This is not how aim point works. You're not aiming with it properly by standing so far behind the ball. And your insinuation that it won't work because everyone's fingers are different is covered in any aim point lesson. It's not meant to be one size fits all.
I am a visually impaired golfer so I rely on my feet and my coach to help with the read of the green. But it really works have dropped in some long putts with the read I do.
I use both methods. Just some advice for aim point stand over the ball when sighting because distance makes a big difference, like you were reading too much break because you were standing way behind the ball like plumbing. Also use a level that has a digital readout in %.
When reading putts for players as a caddie I always tell them the read is for a Pitt with speed of 1.5 to 2feet past the whole. If they like to die the ball in the hole then bring the ball out 1 or two balls higher. Also always walk around the whole, always view the hole from behind because it presents it self as to what it is doing at the hole. Uphill putts break more than down hill putts. If you have a heavier grain of grass especially down south ( florida) the grain can really impact the putt wether into or with the grden. As a rule of thumb the grass will.lay toward the setting sun ( west). Also essays blush is it not only uphill or down hill but is the bowl shaped or humped.
If you're going to compare aimpoint to something else, you need to understand how to do aimpoint! Too many misunderstandings here on aimpoint I'm afraid.
yep you have to stand over the ball not 10 feet behind the ball using aimpoint and stimp speed by moving arm forward or back , i use both as a tool it will give you an idear
Matt, I believe the system also has a factor built in for speed of the greens by moving your fingers closer or further away from your eyes. This would affectively change your break point by your field of view. I'll stick with laying on the ground and checking every blade of grass for the grain. Much faster :)
When I joined our local club, an older gentleman (who has been a member for years) I was playing with, advised me not to read the greens at our course, memorize them. He was dead on spot...know where the ridges are, how the grain goes, where is the water drainage...doing that helped me read greens better when I go to other clubs.
The most important part of plumb bob is you can find with pretty good certainty where the straight putt is. Then, you can determine where you are in the 360 degree circle relative to the straight fall line. I think of it like a clock face. You don't have to worry about whether it is 9:30 versus 10:00 because more slope will change the hang of the putter and show you more (or less) break. Then, you just have to match up your preferred speed to the line that the plumb bob is showing you. Is generally 1/3, 1/2, maybe 2/3rds of the distance (for me). I will add 1/2 more break on greens with a lot of slope or that are running very fast (downhill)-- and then cut the distance by about 1/4. That is a "safety" putt that should die somewhere around the hole if you miss. Plumb bob has its limitations: on greens that undulate a lot, you have to just read close to the hole and figure out what the last 10 feet or so do. Otherwise, you are standing on the wrong slope and won't get and accurate read. Also, you have to alway read with your dominant eye, and you need to determine how your putter hangs so that its vertical. You can compare it to a vertical line like a door jamb and find the vertical hang. I put a dot on my grip with a silver sharpie that faces me when my putter hangs vertical. And, I know how far to rotate if I want to read down the right side of the putter versus the left. All and all, plumb bob is pretty easy and fast to use, and gives you a pretty accurate read line that with a bit of experience and adjustment, you will have a read and speed. I just carry a small note card that has 7:00, 8:00,. 9:00, 10:00 and 11:00. Obviously, on side of the clock is a mirror of the other. That's it: 5 or 6 reads / speeds, and a few notes if the greens get fast or have lots of slope.
I just walk up behind ball, squat and read it. Like Tiger says, just putt to the picture. Don't over complicate it. Make sure to spend at least 10min at the practice green for a course before the round, b/c no other way to really get a good feel for speed. And if its a cheap public muni, then greens may plaly different so you may want to spend some time at first green with some extra putts to get a more accurate feel for the course cutt vs what they had at the practice green.
I knocked off an average of 3 putts a around by following a Rory McILroy tip. Stand between the ball and the pin on the low side and notice any changes in the surface between the two --- uphill, downhill, rise in the middle, etc. Then behind the ball and figure if I hit the ball right at the hole, which way would it go? If I think it will go one foot to the right, I aim one foot to the left. Now all I have to do is get the ball closer to the pin for starters. 😁
I've only watched the first 2 minutes, but ALREADY this is the best in-depth but detailed description of aim-point I've seen! And I've watched about 10-15 videos so far!
Holding the putter plumb is the most important aspect of plumb bob reading. Balance your putter on the index finger (Typically 3 to 4 inches up the shaft from the head of your putter) note how far the toe hangs below the heel, then hold it with the toe that much to the right for a right hand putter.
I use plumb bob and calibrate it on the putting green before my round of golf: there is a distance where plumb bob gives the right amount of break, the I just multiply the break depending on the distance of my put. example calibration gives me 2m distance is right, if i have a 4 m put I will double the break shown by the plumb bob…
Usually love the content. Unfortunately it shows you didn’t do your homework when it comes to AimPoint. I would suggest at least watching AimPoint express before trying to explain it.
my understanding with AimPoint I am currently learning it is that you need to measure standing near the ball and measure you standing 5 feet behind the ball will give you a bigger break line.
Thanks for explanation of both. What I don't like about aim point is the footprints on the green around the hole and the possible slow play that can happen from it. Higher handicap golfers that use either one and play slow to me is the likely problem.
I single put a lot. I have putted a lot. As a matter of fact I don't practice my golf swing but my putting stroke. After a while ya just see it. I find the sun angle and when the greens were watered make more of an issue then the breaks in the green.
I use plumb bob. You can judge how to hold the putter when plumb bobbing by holding it up along a vertical edge of a building. Once you learn how to hold it to match the edge of the building, that’s how you have to hold it on the course. It definitely can vary by how you hold the putter.
I use neither I use the 1/2 1 2 3 cup method way better works a treat for me I’m so use to it and I won’t change all these new methods just slow the game down maybe set up a chalk line or laser level when practising these 2 drills
Matt, love the content!! Can you explain why we hold the putter in the hand that the green slopes to? In this case, your right hand and you closed your right eye.
you can get a perfectly plumb line - even with a tapered shaft by just rotating the face of your putter. use a known vertical line to gage where you need to point the face of the club. for me it's one o'clock ...
It's all gestimation,, Local knowledge is the best system. on straight putts my ball would always go right of the hole, a pro showed me how to work out the dominate eye and at what degree. once I saw my right eye had 2* right aim, I just aimed 2* left for a straight putt. dropped 2-3 more putts on my course.
I walked up to my ball on the green, about 8 feet to the hole, I didn't go behind it or anything and it really looked to be a left to right break. My putt finished pin high, to the left of the hole meaning from my position i hit it perfect distance, however it wasn't because I didn't give it enough break, as I now had a 15 foot up hill putt because the ball broke right to left and tracked further from the hole as soon as I made the stroke. Since then I use plumb bob as a quick overview to at least play the correct break. I'm still terrible at putting, and never get the speed or break degree correctly but it's not as embarrassing as I used to be as at least the putts starts rolling towards the hole, not away from it.
You really should remove this video since you are demonstrating the Aimpoint method incorrectly. You are standing way too far behind your ball, your feet are too far apart when feeling the slope, and there are other nuisances you aren’t demonstrating (double breaks and finger thickness are covered in the Aimpoint training). Ultimately, you are hurting the business of the fellow who developed and sells Aimpoint training. Lastly, it now makes me doubt the other instruction you provide.
The way I learned aimpoint was to only go 1 putter length behind your ball to look at your finger *from 10 feet or further out*… looked like you were way too far back to set your aimpoint.
i use my feet to give me an idea of the break, but dont do the finger method since there's too many variables... first of all, trying to figure out if the break is 1 degree, 2 or 2.5 is not an exact science... other factors are green speed, grain, uphill, downhill... and what if the putt starts out uphill into a ridge, then goes downhill into the hole?? I think using ur feet to get an idea of the break is very helpful - more accurate than using my eyes... then after figuring out which way the break is, it's just pure feel
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I use Aim point and plumb bob together...example I feel the break with my feet then I use a plumb to find the line. I hole a ton of putts...I also check the cup to see which way the grain is going.
@@michaelwhelan93 haha...my routine starts as soon as I walk up to the green...when I approach the green I walk up on the opposite side of my ball so I can check the grain and feel the slope then plumb the putt...trust me I'm faster than people sitting there all day doing all that bending lmao
I like to feel the slope with my feet to verify what I"m seeing with my plumb bob. So I will walk the line pacing off the steps and then divide by 3. I will straddle the hole and straddle my ball. Then I go through my routine. It works for me?
I am an avid follower… I would just like point out that in aimpoint you dont align your fingers on your ball… you stand on top of your ball then align you finger to the middle of the hole… that is why your read was off the actual read… Plumb bob- you should zero your putter first in order to get the correct alignment…(ref mr. One Putt… he has a video regarding zeroing of your putter❤
HI Matt, I'm just now watching this episode. In general, I agree with your assessments, in that there are a lot of caveats, such as finger width, putter shaft, etc. I'm a bit incredulous that one can accurately measure slope differences with their legs. Secondly, one needs an accurate speed determination as well. So I'm not sure that either method is accurate at all. Why? Because both methods in a sense have a speed already "set" for that particular aim point. What speed is that? Beats me. I was taught the opposite way. Calibrate your putts on the practice green and then read breaks by eye and adjust speed accordingly. But I digress...
Please Mark, put this guy out of his misery. He has no idea what he’s talking about. It’s driving me crazy. And.. Thanks Mark, I have been doing AimPoint for 10 years. Works every time.
Plumb bob is quicker and better for double breaks. Us older guys don't have the eyes of the pros and the elusive speed factor really controls the outcome!
As an AimPoint Instructor I can say this is the worst explanation of the AimPoint method I’ve seen. It’s wrong in so many areas it’s laughable. On a serious note, as a golf instructor, if you’re going to give advice you better be sure that what you’re saying is correct otherwise you’ll damage your players game.
It’s a real shame he is guessing at what aimpoint is and obviously hasn’t been taught how to do it properly. Poorly informed person misinforming a large audience on something that if done correctly could help them putting. I did a lesson with an aimpoint coach and it really helped my putting. He is missing out so many details and doing the process so wrong that he is never going to get a correct read. Go get a lesson from an aimpoint coach and redo this video and I’m sure the results will be different.
I spent an hour practicing plumb bob, the math can’t work. Lining up behind you ball will always produce the same alignment regardless of the slope. The practice green we have is 70% a sloped flat plane ( really stupid). Didn’t matter where I was the reading it was always the same from any angle because you’re always aligning the same thing.
In other words, if you line up putter over ball to hole, it will always line up as if a straight putt? This is what I found doing it myself. I don't understand how plumb bob works.
@@johnrowell3583 exactly. If you line up behind the ball with a laser, the laser runs through the two holes regardless of the slope of the green. If someone could please explain what I’m not getting, I’d appreciate it because I’d really like this to work.
Not sure why you just don’t take your putter into your home and find out by spinning it when it becomes level. That takes the guessing out of your plumbob not being level that’s the point.
Matt, you say slope is measured in degrees. Not so. It's measured in percent of slope. Get a little level that gives a digital readout. Walk around the practice green. Put the level down. Guess the slope. Look at the digital readout. Do this over and over, anywhere on the green. You can easily stay out of people's way. You adapt to green speed by bringing your fingers close to your eye. Faster greens have more break, so fingers move closer to you. Some pros will have marks on their putter shafts to calibrate how far the fingers should be from their eye for a particular Stimp speed, such as 13 (e.g. put the putter head on the right shoulder. Put your fingers on the 13 mark on your shaft. Now you know.).
I normally like your content but you’re actually trashing Aimpoint. You obviously have never taken an Aimpoint class because slopes aren’t read in degrees, they’re read in percentages which cannot be measured using a torpedo level like you’re using in this video. Also, when you take an Aimpoint class you learn how to calculate the capture speed, finger size has nothing to do with it. In my experience, Aimpoint is a very accurate way to read putts and by far the best method I’ve used in my many decades of playing this great game. Plumb bobbing is an extremely flawed method for reading putts because the putter must be held perfectly plumb which is very difficult to do with a putter head that is offset from the shaft making it not want to hang plumb to start with. Plumb bobbing, in my opinion, is nothing but green reading quackery! There’s a very good reason more and more PGA Tour professionals are using Aimpoint as time passes, it works! I’ve personally taken Aimpoint Express 1 & 2 and it’s the best money I’ve ever spent on golf. The lowest my previous handicap had ever been was 7 and now it’s 3, putting is finally a strength instead of a detriment to my playing ability. Maybe you should take a class and learn how to really use the Aimpoint system instead of your theorized version, it will very likely change your mind.
Aimpoint took their approach from H. A. Templeton's book "Vector Putting", published in 1984. I am paraphrasing, but basically he says that for an average speed and average sloping green of 2%, at 90 degrees to the fall line, putts will break 2" per pace. He published charts for various speed greens and slopes, you can probably find them online. For amateurs, this is as accurate as you need to be. Anything over 10', odds are you're not going to make the putt anyway. You just want to give it a reasonable chance to fall in.
before you plumbob you find the balance point of your putter , you line up that point on the putetr shaft with your ball when holding the putter vertical 👍
because the angle will change if you line up with different points on the putter and for consitant slope reading its better to always use the same refference point🤷♂and it works better-simple@@ottawapop
@@MrBlueleon I’ll get back to another comment I made further up the thread. Align a laser from behind the ball to the hole.Regardless of the slope, the line will always be straight just like a plumb bob on the laser line. I can’t see any way possible that the shaft will all of a sudden read 12” off due to slope.
I’ve never tried plumb bob. I use the feet to feel break…especially when I don’t trust what I’m seeing, it’s a good second check. I don’t use the fingers though…the issue for me is not so much that everyone’s fingers are different…it’s that as soon as I take my fingers away and grip the club then address the ball, it’s hard to remember where I was going to aim. Unless there’s a distinct mark to aim at, it’s all just green…
Great topic Matt! A couple of things regarding AimPoint as I took an AimPoint class here in South Florida. My instructor had me do things even differently than what you will typically see. To make judging the slope easier he had us visually look at the slope to determine right to left or left to right. Then he had us always stand with our heels on the down direction in the line of the putt where the biggest break is to figure the degree of slope. That way you get the “feel” faster on different degree slopes and you can more easily remember what a 1 degree, 2 degree, 3 degree slope feels like. Then you have to stand over your ball (not way back like you were). He then had us using our fingers held toward us instead of the way you traditionally see AimPoint done, of your fingers away from you (come here vs. stay away). You outstretch your arm in towards you (very close with bent elbow) if the greens are fast (so your fingers appear bigger) or more away from you if the greens are slower (fingers appear smaller). I use AimPoint quite a bit (as the more you use it, the better you get the feel of it). Then of course is you have execute to putt at your target and you must putt the correct distance. He said to always try to putt to get just past the hole or you won’t have a chance to get it in the hole. Another thing is if you feel that the slope might be 1 and a half degrees, then simply cross one finger partially over the other (pointer and middle finger) to give you the AimPoint off of the (as always) the flagstick. Works for me!
In addition you should practice how far you need to take the club back to make a 5 ft., 10 ft., 15 ft. putt so you know to learn to hit those distances regularly. Could be a could subject for you to cover on one of your upcoming great videos!
Agreed on the distance standing back. You've got to be standing with toes next to the ball with aimpoint. Otherwise it's going to be way off.
What does “had us always stand with our heels on the down direction in the line of the putt” mean? Can you describe this in a different way or more in depth please thank you
For example, if you see the green is slopping right to left (where the right side is higher), then he would have us stand on the line of the putt facing right, so that our heels would be in the down position. That way you could feel the amount of pressure of the slope on your heels to do your measure of slope (1 or 2 or 3). I hope that explains it better for you.
@@mister.wizard thank you
You're welcome
Always get the eyes over the ball. As a rule of thumb if the putt looks one way from behind the hole and another in front of the hole , generally the put will be straight.
I use the plumb bob method because it's fairly accurate and quicker. First, calibrate your putter by using a door jamb in your house. All putters are going to hang differently depending on the head shape. Holding it lightly in your fingers slowly rotate/twist the putter until the shaft is parallel to the jamb. Once you see that it is vertical, put a small mark on the putter grip facing you. You now have a vertical putter shaft for your plumb bob. Great topic for a vlog Matt!!!
If with plumb bobbing you stand directly in line with the ball and hole on every putt surely every putt will have the shaft covering the ball and hole every time
When picking your starting line for the putt, the AimPoint method calls for you to stand over the ball when holding up your fingers. However, you appeared to stand 6’-10’ behind the ball, which will over-read the break, since the farther back you stand, the more break your fingers will indicate. The correct method is to stand over the ball.
I noticed that too. He wasn't even doing it correctly 😂😂
actually depends, if you are playing on a higher stimp you need to stand a little behind the ball to compensate.
AimPoint says you adjust the bend in your elbow for faster greens … and still stand over the ball. The method does require calibration for “today’s” green speed.
@@OliverSallander I dont think standing 8'-10' behind the ball in the video is correct. Ive always understood you stand over the ball.
@@benhikingoutdoors1632 yeah thats way to far behind the ball.
You are supposed to stay right over the ball when aimpointing. No wonder you saw more break than there was for 10 feet.
Agree!
I was about to say that
Facts.
My biggest question regarding aimpoint is how the distance of the putt affects the size of ones fingers relative to the hole. For example, 2 fingers on a 10 footer and 2 fingers on a 40 footer are going to be drastically different given how far you are from the hole.
The two fingers does affect the amount of the read from different lengths of putts. At the same cross slope the putt will break more on the 40’ putt than the 10’ putt. The angle of the read remains the same but the farther the putt the distance above the hole increases.
Aimpoint is deadly accurate ❤
This is a 1 degree putt , you need to put your hand over the ball and use one finger for an accurate aimpoint read .
Just saying that this video needs to be redone with a proper aimpoint method.
I've tried both and settled on plumb bob. You definitely need to "calibrate" your putter to determine which angle you should be pointing the putter face in order for that specific putter to be hanging truly plumb. Once found, I place a small yellow paint marker dot on the shaft so it's repeatable every time. There's other videos on how to get this all sorted. I would not use this method unless you take the time to do that.
Agreed
I think it all depends on the speed at which the ball is being struck. Ben Crenshaw, l love his putting style, etc and so as Jack, Arnold, and Tiger BUT Ben is more of a sweeping taking all the slope kind of putt but the other 3 l think they are more on the attack jamb it in kind of putt lol. l think the majority of putts l confused myself by doing too much rather than just putting according to what my eyes see and the correct speed. Plumb bob is what l prefer.
Plus Bob method is guessing at best.
Charzander has it figured out below, but I find it most convenient to hold my putter up to an outside corner of a building or a straight communications tower every time I play. Rotate the putter until the putter shaft matches the straight line. Use that putter head angle for the day. I'm a hobby woodworker, and am always checking lumber for straightness. I've watched putts that broke three inches and the person hitting the putt said "look at that, it didn't break at all". Speed is more important than line to me. If I've got the green speed down, then I'll really try to tighten up on my line.
Then use Aim Point and stop guessing at the line.
It’s % of slope not *. This is why only certified instructors should teach this.
I think they also use the Stimp speed to vary how far their arm is stretched out as well. That can put your aim point degree off as well
Yes of course. Faster greens break more than slower greens,
Both are a rough guide in trying to determine your start line...w PlumBob: must determine how the putter hangs (must find vertical plane), w left to right break downhill will break more (.5 times more for instance) vs an uphill putt (which will break less), plus you will have to add additional break on faster greens vs slower greens (green speed of an #8 is allot slower than a #12). For instance: 10 ft putt, left to right downhill, the shaft is about 1 cup outside the hole; your aim is now 1 1/2 times the original plumbob...so its actually 1 and 1/2 cup outside the hole to account for the slope and faster green going downhill. On an uphill putt, the plumbob shows right edge, but because its uphill the actual start line maybe inside the cup (between the flagpole and the edge). So there are variables: how grainy the greens are, the slope, speed, uphill/downhill/side hill, whether the ball will die into the hole or its rammed into the hole (pace).
Take an Aim Point lesson. Then all your questions will be answered. Your eyes are the last thing you should depend on.
Love ya man, but you’re butchering aim point technique.
👍👍⛳⛳Great subject. Thanks. I practice and use both methods. Learned Aim Point about 2 years ago. Overall, I usually have better results with Aim Point - often amazing results. I find ways so neither method slows us up. I detest slow golf. I used mainly Aim Point yesterday morning at wonderful Columbia GC in Minneapolis - we played 9 holes in 1' 20". Less putts takes less time. Plumb bobbing your 3rd putt doesn't help pace of play.
I'm sorry but this is not correct. For Aimpoint system you have to stand right OVER the ball, not 10 feet behind, that's why it gives you too much break. And for Plumb technique you have to hold the putter with the OPPOSITE hand to your dominant eye.
The real benefit of any green reading methods is having some kind of a read that you trust to make a confident stroke. If you don't trust your read, most golfers will tend to make a crappy stroke. Find one that works for you, and learn to do it quickly!
That’s what Aim Point is. Accurate, fast and easy.
when you use aimpoint, you stand at your ball to do the fingers. so in your examples, you over read by standing too far back! also, aimpoint uses percentage of slope, not degrees. so 1%, 2% and so on. to learn properly you can use a level app on your phone and drop it on the ground to check the slope percentage on the practice green. when you use aimpoint correctly, it's amazing. you will see more tour pros use it in the future. when i play casual rounds and it's a bit slow i use both to make sure my reads are correct.
i would love to see you learn a bit more about aimpoint and then do this video again correctly.
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Plumb bob for me. It has really helped. Tells me with slope where to hit. I then use my putter to make a straight line to that spot and pick a spot about 6-12 inches past my ball to aim.
do you leave putts short if so pick a spot beside the hole, it worked better for me than right in front of the ball I had a issue of leaving putts 2ft short...but everybody is diff hope your playing well and having fun
I was taught to discover the plumb line of your putter by balancing your putter across your finger, and then mark (or take note of) the 12 o-clock position of the shaft. You would then pinch the putter shaft at the 12 and 6 o-clock positions, having either the 12 or 6 facing down the target line. I was also taught to eyeball the center of the shaft over the ball inline with the hole and the pick your aim point wherever the center of the shaft (or grip) landed. I only recently began using this technique again (not sure why I stopped) and it's pretty good. It at least gives me confidence on break so that I can focus on pace.
On a side note: Recently while practice putting I took a phone call, and while on the phone I tooled around the practice green one-handed. WTF! I was draining one putt after another and getting inches from the hole on 30' putts. After the call, I continued to putt one handed and OMG, the results were insane. In fact, I got better results if I just walked up and struck the ball vs taking time to align the face. Even the pace was instinctual, almost as if all the calculations for face angle, clubhead speed, and center of the club were instantly updating the closer the club got to the ball. It seems our reptilian brains are better than any of these time demanding techniques. I'll be honest though, I'm too chicken sh... to do it on the course... For now.
Great Video BTW!
When I putt I use the aim point method to see how the green breaks and where that break is. I look at the grass until I see a line. I need to use pace to get the ball to the break the green will do the rest. Always putt the shortest distance and that's to the break.
I have the same issue with aimpoint. I just don't feel the break in my feet. Even had a putting lesson with the local pro and he was telling me he could feel 2° etc, me nothing. Another method he suggested though was to stand alongside the line, facing it. So you're effectivley standing facking the line. So you can feel the slope from your toes to heels. I found this slightly better, but still not as good as the plumbob for me.
You train your feet to feel and calibrate that break through practice. I bought a level measured in percent of slope (the correct measure). You put it down, guess the break you feel, and look at the digital number. You do this over and over. You do it regularly to check your calibration (say, once a month). Easy peesey.
Your standing way to far behind the ball for Aimpoint. I dont think you know how to do it correctly 😂😂
Yeah this was really annoying me. It's literally the reason he was starting the ball too far away from the hole.
A key to plumb bob is identifying your dominant eye. You say you just close the opposite eye of the hand holding putter. To be accurate you need to close your non dominant eye
If your right eye dominate are you holding the putter in your left hand or your right hand?
I use Plumb Bob to show me which way that the break is moving as sometimes it’s difficult to see the break but surely it is imperative to calibrate the putter for Plumb Bobbing to find where its true vertical hang is? Given that most green slopes are 1% or less (ie the subtle ones) then the ball will move 2-4” per foot of putt - speed of green + speed of putt dependant. So work out the direction of break, look at length of putt and multiply by 2!! So a 10’ foot putt (for most amateurs surely a high 10’ conversion rate is nirvana) on a slope will usually require 20” of aim outside the hole. If it’s more than 1% the slope is really obvious & not subtle requiring a greater distance of offset aim. When i first started using this method I could not believe how far outside the hole I was aiming on a 1% estimation and but the results were amazing. This also means that for a massively high % of putts from 18” and inside, there is no need to start the ball off on a line outside the hole.
Putting is a feel and intuition skill to me. I've made putts that no aiming technique would work other than "i feel and see it doing this...maybe...hopefully " Ive tried aimpoint , I even took a class with 4 other golfers to learn it. I didnt even use it for a whole round of golf. It ruined what little bit of putting prowess I had. I think set up and keeping my right shoulder pulled back works wonders on the greens. FOR ME
I use Plumb bob on anything over say 6 ft, but inside that I just use my eyes and pick a spot and roll over that spot. I've never had success with Aim point because I can't really feel the slope when it's not obvious. That being said, I am a decent putter, but I am NOT a great green reader. I need a green reading course. I am just trying to get to about 3ft or better and move along. I can't stand watching people line up putts for ever. I try and keep it moving and do it quickly.
Hi Sir.
I'm pretty much like you, I have never had any luck with that Aim Point stuff, I am also quick at reading greens and play with just reading the grain,surroundings,at times I take it as far back as the fairway to get the feel of the green's slope.
There's a gentleman here on RUclips called Mike Malaska, he did a simple putting video that changed my putting altogether,within 10" mainly.
Please do yourself a favor and check that video out,it is quiet simple really,the more you practice the better it becomes.
I have been using that method from 2019, it took me from a 17 and I'm now a solid 5H/C.
I'm not a long hitter of the ball(I'm 1.68cm and 73kg) I can reach your average 350-400m greens in regulation...my short game and putting is where I make my money mostly😉have a look into that system,maybe you might like it too.👍🏿
Regards.
Learn Aim Point. Master it. Make more putts. Simple as that
Incorrect Aim Point demo. He aimed from well behind the ball where’s as AimPoint aiming with 1-5 fingers is to be sited from standing AT the ball. This also explains why his erroneous AimPoint measurements were too wide. He also is not good at Plumb Bob
Better to subscribe to and view the aim point video which will give you the true method. It’s not degrees of slope it’s % slope and you read is way off because you lined up the putt way behind the ball.
I see Adam Scott do this a lot during the round and I had no idea. Now I know. Thanks.
Yeah, I just read the green, and it works out pretty good for me.
This is not how aim point works. You're not aiming with it properly by standing so far behind the ball. And your insinuation that it won't work because everyone's fingers are different is covered in any aim point lesson. It's not meant to be one size fits all.
I am a visually impaired golfer so I rely on my feet and my coach to help with the read of the green. But it really works have dropped in some long putts with the read I do.
I use both methods. Just some advice for aim point stand over the ball when sighting because distance makes a big difference, like you were reading too much break because you were standing way behind the ball like plumbing. Also use a level that has a digital readout in %.
When reading putts for players as a caddie I always tell them the read is for a Pitt with speed of 1.5 to 2feet past the whole. If they like to die the ball in the hole then bring the ball out 1 or two balls higher. Also always walk around the whole, always view the hole from behind because it presents it self as to what it is doing at the hole. Uphill putts break more than down hill putts. If you have a heavier grain of grass especially down south ( florida) the grain can really impact the putt wether into or with the grden. As a rule of thumb the grass will.lay toward the setting sun ( west). Also essays blush is it not only uphill or down hill but is the bowl shaped or humped.
I like the plumb bob method the best. Great video!
And the most recent Golf Digest has an article by an expert putting instructor talking about why plumb-bobbing isn’t very useful.
look at green, determine speed, see break, hit putt, hope.
If you're going to compare aimpoint to something else, you need to understand how to do aimpoint! Too many misunderstandings here on aimpoint I'm afraid.
yep you have to stand over the ball not 10 feet behind the ball using aimpoint and stimp speed by moving arm forward or back , i use both as a tool it will give you an idear
Matt, I believe the system also has a factor built in for speed of the greens by moving your fingers closer or further away from your eyes. This would affectively change your break point by your field of view. I'll stick with laying on the ground and checking every blade of grass for the grain. Much faster :)
When I joined our local club, an older gentleman (who has been a member for years) I was playing with, advised me not to read the greens at our course, memorize them. He was dead on spot...know where the ridges are, how the grain goes, where is the water drainage...doing that helped me read greens better when I go to other clubs.
The most important part of plumb bob is you can find with pretty good certainty where the straight putt is. Then, you can determine where you are in the 360 degree circle relative to the straight fall line. I think of it like a clock face. You don't have to worry about whether it is 9:30 versus 10:00 because more slope will change the hang of the putter and show you more (or less) break. Then, you just have to match up your preferred speed to the line that the plumb bob is showing you. Is generally 1/3, 1/2, maybe 2/3rds of the distance (for me). I will add 1/2 more break on greens with a lot of slope or that are running very fast (downhill)-- and then cut the distance by about 1/4. That is a "safety" putt that should die somewhere around the hole if you miss. Plumb bob has its limitations: on greens that undulate a lot, you have to just read close to the hole and figure out what the last 10 feet or so do. Otherwise, you are standing on the wrong slope and won't get and accurate read. Also, you have to alway read with your dominant eye, and you need to determine how your putter hangs so that its vertical. You can compare it to a vertical line like a door jamb and find the vertical hang. I put a dot on my grip with a silver sharpie that faces me when my putter hangs vertical. And, I know how far to rotate if I want to read down the right side of the putter versus the left. All and all, plumb bob is pretty easy and fast to use, and gives you a pretty accurate read line that with a bit of experience and adjustment, you will have a read and speed. I just carry a small note card that has 7:00, 8:00,. 9:00, 10:00 and 11:00. Obviously, on side of the clock is a mirror of the other. That's it: 5 or 6 reads / speeds, and a few notes if the greens get fast or have lots of slope.
I just walk up behind ball, squat and read it. Like Tiger says, just putt to the picture. Don't over complicate it. Make sure to spend at least 10min at the practice green for a course before the round, b/c no other way to really get a good feel for speed. And if its a cheap public muni, then greens may plaly different so you may want to spend some time at first green with some extra putts to get a more accurate feel for the course cutt vs what they had at the practice green.
How many pros use neither? Just curious.
I knocked off an average of 3 putts a around by following a Rory McILroy tip. Stand between the ball and the pin on the low side and notice any changes in the surface between the two --- uphill, downhill, rise in the middle, etc. Then behind the ball and figure if I hit the ball right at the hole, which way would it go? If I think it will go one foot to the right, I aim one foot to the left. Now all I have to do is get the ball closer to the pin for starters. 😁
I've only watched the first 2 minutes, but ALREADY this is the best in-depth but detailed description of aim-point I've seen! And I've watched about 10-15 videos so far!
Well stop before you get too much further, and read the comments, because he's doing it wrong!
Well he is wrong on it so don't listen to it
Holding the putter plumb is the most important aspect of plumb bob reading. Balance your putter on the index finger (Typically 3 to 4 inches up the shaft from the head of your putter) note how far the toe hangs below the heel, then hold it with the toe that much to the right for a right hand putter.
I use plumb bob and calibrate it on the putting green before my round of golf: there is a distance where plumb bob gives the right amount of break, the I just multiply the break depending on the distance of my put. example calibration gives me 2m distance is right, if i have a 4 m put I will double the break shown by the plumb bob…
I have been using plumb bob my entire golfing and recently tried aimpoint. I am sticking to plumb bob.. simple and quick read..
Hold your putter up to something plump like a door jamb. Rotate your putter shaft in your fingers to the putter shaft is in line with the door jamb
Usually love the content. Unfortunately it shows you didn’t do your homework when it comes to AimPoint. I would suggest at least watching AimPoint express before trying to explain it.
my understanding with AimPoint I am currently learning it is that you need to measure standing near the ball and measure you standing 5 feet behind the ball will give you a bigger break line.
Thanks for explanation of both. What I don't like about aim point is the footprints on the green around the hole and the possible slow play that can happen from it. Higher handicap golfers that use either one and play slow to me is the likely problem.
Anyone that is slow using aimpoint doesn’t know what they are doing like he doesn’t in the video. Also you never stand over the hole using aimpoint.
I single put a lot. I have putted a lot. As a matter of fact I don't practice my golf swing but my putting stroke. After a while ya just see it. I find the sun angle and when the greens were watered make more of an issue then the breaks in the green.
I use plumb bob. You can judge how to hold the putter when plumb bobbing by holding it up along a vertical edge of a building. Once you learn how to hold it to match the edge of the building, that’s how you have to hold it on the course. It definitely can vary by how you hold the putter.
I use neither I use the 1/2 1 2 3 cup method way better works a treat for me I’m so use to it and I won’t change all these new methods just slow the game down maybe set up a chalk line or laser level when practising these 2 drills
Matt, love the content!!
Can you explain why we hold the putter in the hand that the green slopes to? In this case, your right hand and you closed your right eye.
you can get a perfectly plumb line - even with a tapered shaft by just rotating the face of your putter. use a known vertical line to gage where you need to point the face of the club. for me it's one o'clock ...
It's all gestimation,, Local knowledge is the best system.
on straight putts my ball would always go right of the hole, a pro showed me how to work out the dominate eye and at what degree. once I saw my right eye had 2* right aim, I just aimed 2* left for a straight putt. dropped 2-3 more putts on my course.
I walked up to my ball on the green, about 8 feet to the hole, I didn't go behind it or anything and it really looked to be a left to right break. My putt finished pin high, to the left of the hole meaning from my position i hit it perfect distance, however it wasn't because I didn't give it enough break, as I now had a 15 foot up hill putt because the ball broke right to left and tracked further from the hole as soon as I made the stroke. Since then I use plumb bob as a quick overview to at least play the correct break. I'm still terrible at putting, and never get the speed or break degree correctly but it's not as embarrassing as I used to be as at least the putts starts rolling towards the hole, not away from it.
Always wanted to learn how to use Plumbob thank you!
i would like to see more on this and do you do this to find your landing spot for chipping as well ?
thanks bro keep knocking them down !
You only need to be concerned with the slope at the halfway point when your speed tops out
Wrong. Try again.
You really should remove this video since you are demonstrating the Aimpoint method incorrectly. You are standing way too far behind your ball, your feet are too far apart when feeling the slope, and there are other nuisances you aren’t demonstrating (double breaks and finger thickness are covered in the Aimpoint training). Ultimately, you are hurting the business of the fellow who developed and sells Aimpoint training. Lastly, it now makes me doubt the other instruction you provide.
The way I learned aimpoint was to only go 1 putter length behind your ball to look at your finger *from 10 feet or further out*… looked like you were way too far back to set your aimpoint.
i use my feet to give me an idea of the break, but dont do the finger method since there's too many variables... first of all, trying to figure out if the break is 1 degree, 2 or 2.5 is not an exact science... other factors are green speed, grain, uphill, downhill... and what if the putt starts out uphill into a ridge, then goes downhill into the hole?? I think using ur feet to get an idea of the break is very helpful - more accurate than using my eyes... then after figuring out which way the break is, it's just pure feel
specially when the fingers are crooked
I just learned plumb Bob this week. It helped a lot. I’m not smart enough for aimpoint.
You stand AT the ball and aim, NOT 5 feet behind it. Aim point only works if done correctly. I think you are making way to difficult.
Did they take your videos off about Justin Thomas. I agree with you boys weekend away. I’m from New Zealand we all think it’s disgraceful what they done. It’s totally bullshit. Cameron Young should have been picked. We reckon that captain should be sacked. Period
Matt, I’m sure with the plumb Bob you’d previously used your opposite arm to your dominant eye to get the line?
I recall this as well in an earlier video. This video does a much better job of describing and showing the plumb Bob method. So kudos for that.
I use Aim point and plumb bob together...example I feel the break with my feet then I use a plumb to find the line. I hole a ton of putts...I also check the cup to see which way the grain is going.
Aim point and plumb bob - I would not like to be playing behind you.
@@michaelwhelan93 haha...my routine starts as soon as I walk up to the green...when I approach the green I walk up on the opposite side of my ball so I can check the grain and feel the slope then plumb the putt...trust me I'm faster than people sitting there all day doing all that bending lmao
0:42 Thats a bubble level....
I like to feel the slope with my feet to verify what I"m seeing with my plumb bob. So I will walk the line pacing off the steps and then divide by 3. I will straddle the hole and straddle my ball. Then I go through my routine. It works for me?
I am an avid follower… I would just like point out that in aimpoint you dont align your fingers on your ball… you stand on top of your ball then align you finger to the middle of the hole… that is why your read was off the actual read…
Plumb bob- you should zero your putter first in order to get the correct alignment…(ref mr. One Putt… he has a video regarding zeroing of your putter❤
HI Matt,
I'm just now watching this episode. In general, I agree with your assessments, in that there are a lot of caveats, such as finger width, putter shaft, etc. I'm a bit incredulous that one can accurately measure slope differences with their legs. Secondly, one needs an accurate speed determination as well. So I'm not sure that either method is accurate at all. Why? Because both methods in a sense have a speed already "set" for that particular aim point. What speed is that? Beats me. I was taught the opposite way. Calibrate your putts on the practice green and then read breaks by eye and adjust speed accordingly. But I digress...
Great explanation, Matt!
much easier to use the level function on your phone to get a value for degrees of slope.
Thanks MSG! Outstanding content with this one.
plumber Bob for me, but I don't play anymore....Great Vid⛳⛳⛳⛳⛳⛳⛳⛳
Can you please review mistwood golf club in Illinois it is one of the top public golf courses!!
You get too much break because you have absolutely no idea what you’re doing.
Please Mark, put this guy out of his misery. He has no idea what he’s talking about. It’s driving me crazy.
And.. Thanks Mark, I have been doing AimPoint for 10 years. Works every time.
Plumb bob is quicker and better for double breaks. Us older guys don't have the eyes of the pros and the elusive speed factor really controls the outcome!
Mr. Plum bob on the green with the golf club, murder Mr Short 😅😂
Aimpoint works, you are not explaining how aimpoint really works.
As an AimPoint Instructor I can say this is the worst explanation of the AimPoint method I’ve seen. It’s wrong in so many areas it’s laughable. On a serious note, as a golf instructor, if you’re going to give advice you better be sure that what you’re saying is correct otherwise you’ll damage your players game.
Which is better? Ga or Ca?
Dad gum 1 hour into posting and everyone telling you youre doing it wrong. Epic fail 🤣
Bro!! You walking up and counting off feet of the putt while describing aimpoint was game changing right now! Gosh I’m an idiot!!
It’s a real shame he is guessing at what aimpoint is and obviously hasn’t been taught how to do it properly. Poorly informed person misinforming a large audience on something that if done correctly could help them putting. I did a lesson with an aimpoint coach and it really helped my putting. He is missing out so many details and doing the process so wrong that he is never going to get a correct read.
Go get a lesson from an aimpoint coach and redo this video and I’m sure the results will be different.
The way I was taught AimPoint is to be up to the ball with my heels on each side of the ball when you use your fingers.
I spent an hour practicing plumb bob, the math can’t work. Lining up behind you ball will always produce the same alignment regardless of the slope. The practice green we have is 70% a sloped flat plane ( really stupid). Didn’t matter where I was the reading it was always the same from any angle because you’re always aligning the same thing.
In other words, if you line up putter over ball to hole, it will always line up as if a straight putt? This is what I found doing it myself. I don't understand how plumb bob works.
@@johnrowell3583 exactly. If you line up behind the ball with a laser, the laser runs through the two holes regardless of the slope of the green. If someone could please explain what I’m not getting, I’d appreciate it because I’d really like this to work.
@@ottawapop Thanks for the reply. So yeah, I have the same issue and I just don't get it. Would love to understand what I'm missing.
Great camera work!!
Not sure why you just don’t take your putter into your home and find out by spinning it when it becomes level. That takes the guessing out of your plumbob not being level that’s the point.
Matt, you say slope is measured in degrees. Not so. It's measured in percent of slope. Get a little level that gives a digital readout. Walk around the practice green. Put the level down. Guess the slope. Look at the digital readout. Do this over and over, anywhere on the green. You can easily stay out of people's way. You adapt to green speed by bringing your fingers close to your eye. Faster greens have more break, so fingers move closer to you. Some pros will have marks on their putter shafts to calibrate how far the fingers should be from their eye for a particular Stimp speed, such as 13 (e.g. put the putter head on the right shoulder. Put your fingers on the 13 mark on your shaft. Now you know.).
I normally like your content but you’re actually trashing Aimpoint. You obviously have never taken an Aimpoint class because slopes aren’t read in degrees, they’re read in percentages which cannot be measured using a torpedo level like you’re using in this video. Also, when you take an Aimpoint class you learn how to calculate the capture speed, finger size has nothing to do with it. In my experience, Aimpoint is a very accurate way to read putts and by far the best method I’ve used in my many decades of playing this great game.
Plumb bobbing is an extremely flawed method for reading putts because the putter must be held perfectly plumb which is very difficult to do with a putter head that is offset from the shaft making it not want to hang plumb to start with. Plumb bobbing, in my opinion, is nothing but green reading quackery! There’s a very good reason more and more PGA Tour professionals are using Aimpoint as time passes, it works! I’ve personally taken Aimpoint Express 1 & 2 and it’s the best money I’ve ever spent on golf. The lowest my previous handicap had ever been was 7 and now it’s 3, putting is finally a strength instead of a detriment to my playing ability.
Maybe you should take a class and learn how to really use the Aimpoint system instead of your theorized version, it will very likely change your mind.
Well said sir. This was an embarrassing video by MSG. Just horrible
I use aimpoint without the feet. If I see a slope I just give it one finger, and two for a bigger slope. Gets me real close most of the time.
Not all putter shafts hang straight down, because of putter head weight distribution.
Aimpoint took their approach from H. A. Templeton's book "Vector Putting", published in 1984. I am paraphrasing, but basically he says that for an average speed and average sloping green of 2%, at 90 degrees to the fall line, putts will break 2" per pace. He published charts for various speed greens and slopes, you can probably find them online. For amateurs, this is as accurate as you need to be. Anything over 10', odds are you're not going to make the putt anyway. You just want to give it a reasonable chance to fall in.
before you plumbob you find the balance point of your putter , you line up that point on the putetr shaft with your ball when holding the putter vertical 👍
How can that matter if the shaft is plumb?
because the angle will change if you line up with different points on the putter and for consitant slope reading its better to always use the same refference point🤷♂and it works better-simple@@ottawapop
@@MrBlueleon I’ll get back to another comment I made further up the thread. Align a laser from behind the ball to the hole.Regardless of the slope, the line will always be straight just like a plumb bob on the laser line. I can’t see any way possible that the shaft will all of a sudden read 12” off due to slope.
@@ottawapop do what you do and I’ll do what I do it’s called golf ⛳️
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I’ve never tried plumb bob. I use the feet to feel break…especially when I don’t trust what I’m seeing, it’s a good second check. I don’t use the fingers though…the issue for me is not so much that everyone’s fingers are different…it’s that as soon as I take my fingers away and grip the club then address the ball, it’s hard to remember where I was going to aim. Unless there’s a distinct mark to aim at, it’s all just green…