I feel like the U-Men were really scary due to forced surgical fears. But personally I always got the creeps from the Reavers, mangled cyborgs that are not pretty at all.
Charles has so much going on. Evil step brother, evil step father, evil shadow twin, evil shadow self, rivalry with the shadow king, rivalry with magneto. Sort out your life chuck.
@@JayStorm199 Oh man, Legion has an evil psychic self too but it's in the form of his father. So that's technically 4 evil versions of Prof. X (the Entity, Onslaught, Cassandra Nova, & David's shadow).
I forgot that this arc also includes the absolutely bonkers story of Xorn. He's the skull guy in some of the panels shown and he's either Magneto pretending to be a 30-something Chinese man, or a 30-something Chinese man with a burning star for a head pretending to be Magneto. Not sure which is worse.
It has always bothered me that Morrison never made the connection of having Cassandra Nova and Sublime being the same type of being. It would have made so much sense. IT WAS RIGHT THERE GRANT.
Morrison has a bad habit of over-complicating origins. Just look at all the changes he made to Prof. Pyg in his Batman run. A fanfic I read streamlined it by leaving Cassandra as Charles' stillborn twin sister that their father preserved since he studied Mutants (this is canon to the comics). But Mr. Sinister found the fetus and mad scienced it into her crazy adult self. Much easier to wrap your head around since mummundai/anti-self thing feels more fitting for Stephen Strange. Cassandra Nova is a fun villain, but as an actual character she's pretty flat. I was intrigued by her appearance in _X-Men Red_ where Jean fully developed her so she could feel other emotions like empathy but this was dropped by the Krakoa Age. A kind and empathic Cassandra Nova is her end in the "Here Comes Tomorrow" arc.
@@christopherbennett5858 I never understood how that worked. Was Ermst Cassandra's original body that only had the barest of a functioning mind? How did she gain super strength? Was it a secondary mutation like what happened to Emma? I know Morrison's run was cut short but I wish there was some more clarification.
@@wdcain1 Well, that’s the thing; Xavier and Jean were re-educating her. Could just be that it was accelerated so she had the functionality of a child. The enhanced strength could either be part of the protoplasm or, like Monet, psychic strength made manifest.
Shadow King's probably pretty mad at everyone stealing his being Xavier's evil bodiless psychic arch enemy bit. Also the way they write Charles these days, you've got to wonder how long before one of them turns out to be the good twin.
@@noa_the_knower It makes me laugh that Jean is technically the mother of four kids (Cable, Rachel, Stryfe, & Nate Gray) despite never getting pregnant.
That first three-parter was nuts! It was noticeable because of Emma being front and center with the core team. Secondary mutations! Wild sentinels! And that unapologetically genocidal Cassandra! Nuts! All that and movie-similar uniforms too. What a ride.
See that's my problem with it. It's a big spectacle, yes, but it doesn't actually do much of anything with the characters. Killing 30 Million mutants should be a world-shattering event, or at least emotionally destroy our cast. But we can't think about that! Gotta crack jokes and move on.
When she got put in the protoplasm, it was eventually reshaped into this little girl with super strength who looks elderly and calls herself Ernst, and Jean and Charles’ psychically reteaching her gave her a whole new personality. What the hell happened to Ernst? It’s been so long since I’ve read X-Men
That was supposed to be the intent of Morrison, but either future writers didn't pick up on it (though it seemed pretty obvious to me from Here Comes Tomorrow), or the editors decided to ignore it. So in Astonishing X-Men, Whedon just said something like Cassandra had escaped from wherever they were keeping her. And Ernst went on to become just a normal student separate from Nova. Which seems a shame.
@@spookyhappyfun - Thank you. I thought I remembered Whedon f**king that up. I don’t remember the names of the storylines Morrison did, but I knew, as soon as I saw Ernst and how much she looked like Nova, that that was her, and it was confirmed when I saw the promotion for Morrison’s last arc and Nova was carrying Martha, the brain in the jar who was Ernst’s best friend,
I really enjoyed Cassandra during Morrison's original run, and really like her design and personality. The idea of Xavier having an evil opposite (bio-twin or not) is interesting. I like that she's a ferocious (and seriously threatening) older bald woman, when almost every other female in comics is a bikini model.
I hadn't heard of CN until your last vid. She looks a little like Golem in those later panels. Yikes! The pith helmet in the earlier panels is a nice touch. She's on a mutant-hunting safari.
Oh, that one's going to be interesting. It's also going to have to be at least partially a history of Master Mold, the original Nimrod, a event involving an evil Wizard that fought Conan, and an unrelated magic door.
I like Cassandra and like the fact she is used sparingly. It keeps the mystique fresh. I find the mummardri interesting in general. The hecatomb is horrifying and Cassandra even more so
Boy can you imagine them working in the “sibling murder by strangulation in the womb” into Deadpool 3… I feel like Ryan Reynolds would just be like “ oh, I’m gonna make a Disney movie don’t never forget” lol
OMG I can’t wait. I can imagine Cassandra explaining her origins to Deadpool and Wolverine (and the audience) and when she’s done, the two are just standing and staring at her (also maybe give the audience a glance) with the most WTF?! faces ever.
I get the feeling that last part (Cassandra Nova being left stranded in time just before an extinction-level event) is the general idea Deadpool & Wolverine will work from. The TVA may have pruned her from her timeline and sent her to the Void, but she seems to have built an army of pruned variants and is plotting something.
I said if they add Cassandra Nova to Deadpool it’ll be my new favourite MCU movie, knocking the Marvels down to second, and Strange 2 to third, finally eclipsing Iron Man 1 entirely. This is a new era for me, I’ve never been more of a fan, more satisfied. The X-men 97 finale is gonna slay me too. I’m so happy.
It looks like you missed the Ernst situation? The implication from Here Comes Tomorrow, with Cassandra Nova Xavier, leader of the X-Men, saying to Martha Johnson whom she has a strong dynamic with, that she can still call her Ernst, was that the Ernst we see in the present who is always hanging with Martha Johnson is Cassandra in Stuff's body acting as a student. That the Here Comes Tomorrow version of her is the result of that rehabilitation. That gets missed by a bunch of later writers on Ernst.
my only exposure to cassandra nova before your videos was actually her appearance in X-Men the end. where by the time she shows up I'm already holding so many fundamental shifts in reality (all the X-children, the gambit/sinister thing, Magneto making a Magnetic portol, that part where Emma gets Rogues tattoo for some reason) that I just kinda excepted her without question. its nice finally discovering what her deal is.
I'll give Ryan Reynolds personally all the money in the world if the Deadpool & Wolverine movie adapts the fetus fight part of the origin for her with Deadpool riffing on it. I can dream damn it XD
Thank you Sensational Sasha , because between your explanation & X-Men ‘97 I have now decided to actually read Grant Morrison’s run …I’ve owned it from the beginning but honestly award winning or not that art gave me a WTF , & I’ve never read them …so once again Thank You & Keep Up The Outstanding Work 🖖🏾
When I first saw the thumbnail I thought to myself, Will Sasha be wearing a bald cap for this video? Pleasantly surprised to see you went in the opposite direction and are wearing the most hair possible. Cassandra must be soooooo jealous. (I know Moondragon is.)
I have this theory that Cassandra wasn't as old as she is later depicted. The artist made all of the X-men look like wrinkled babies and since Cassandra debuted with that artist. She got stuck looking like an old baby lady lol
I only started hearing about Cassandra last year and always heard the same thing, “She’s just Charles’ evil twin sister.” It made her sound so boring because I have seen that trope so often, but after watching your video, I think she makes for a great villain to the X-Men but mainly Charles. I know she’s supposed to be this “evil incarnate” character type, but I’d love to see a more sympathetic or at least human version of her.
This run is my second all time favorite comic. From what happens in the run you can infer the following: Cassandra is locked inside the Shi'ar plasmoid body with a super computer inside that starts to act as a programming device to teach her mind empathy. She disappears and later you see this young girl with an old ladies face: Ernst. From her name and appearance plus the rest of the run, including her end in Here comes Tomorrow - Exploded into what looks like tiny circutry and green goo - Cassandra grows into that plasmoid body, becomes Ernst and is given to Xorn to learn how to be "human" and later dies in Here Comes Tomorrow. Editorial though changed this and shown us Kitty taking a weird body from inside a vault in the mansion in Astonishing X-Men. That was Cassandra's body, the same proto-plasmoid super computer where she was stuck in Morrison's run. So I believe Editorial just decided to ignore Morrison's infered storytelling in his run and just backtrack it to have her in that body all the time. So in the end she never left the body, got better (kinda like the Punisher) and grew up into her homicidal tendencies like nothing happened. P.S: I believe she also appeared as the main antagonist in the Uncanny X-Force run by Sam Humphries.
I thought it was curious that Morrison had Cassandra Nova as the X-Men's leader in the future, but it speaks to the possibility of even the most evil to be redeemed.
Oh, Tom Taylor gave her a body in X-Men: Red? Yeah, I don't think you're going to find an explanation for that. He doesn't seem to care about fine details like that. Like for example, in his Nightwing run when the Titans are dropping off Dick's foster daughter on Themyscira Donna mentions getting permission for that from Queen Hyppolyta, When Hyppolyta had been killed recently in Trial of the Amazons which was a pretty major event as far as Wonder Woman stuff goes. Not to Mention Nubia had been queen even longer than that.
Cassandra Nova is such a great villain. She always felt a like a different flavor of Dark Charles Xavier. Like, Onslaught feels more built on Charles’s frustration, whereas Cassandra is pure pettiness. But her teaming up with the Marauders was extremely fun though, with us getting things like her purposely revoking her diplomatic immunity for a tussle with Gladiator.
10:35 Wha... What in the drugged-up fever dream did I just read?! Edit, I was not prepared for that jumpscare with Liliandra at 12:46. That is actually terrifying, and will possibly haunt me in my dreams tonight.
Given Cassandra’s involvement with the Genoshan Massacre, I prefer how she first presented to Trask, DDS. Sure, she has a penchant for lying but if she didn’t actually have a desire to eradicate mutants - just her archfoe Charles - that was an extensive “side amusement” that also drew risk to her plans by announcing herself. One of the fun things about HeroClix having been around so long is it’s been a “time capsule” for me as I’ve collected throughout the, well, decades. Cassandra got a Clix and, at the time, it seemed perfectly sensible because surely she was going to be reoccurring and important. In hindsight, well…
The evolutionary jump is used in X-Men movies during the opening. Then spoken by Jean Grey at the end of X2 as if they were explaining the Phoenix. That's my favorite speech from the movies.
I didn't read her official story when she was introduced, I had my DK X-Men Official Guide in 2006 that taught me everything i knew about the X-Men at that point, it wasn't till later a bit more about her, and read most of X-Men Red where she started her BS all over again. Will she pop up again? probably, but she seems to be not a frequently used character, so that's pretty good all things considered.
I think she was a good recurring villain for Charles the same way Garthe Knight or K.A.R.R. were interesting adversaries for Michael Knight or K.I.T.T. on Knight Rider. You get to see characters that feel that they have been replaced by another model and long for the success they feel they were denied. Her villainy works once her plans are not one note even thought they always have the same expected outcome.
Did Charles try to kill her because he sensed she was evil(perhaps getting an intense negative vibe from her), or did she turn evil because he tried to kill her? Or maybe both?
Hey I think Connor Goldsmith has a whole podcast episode about Cassandra Nova. He explains that that proto-plasm body she has becomes her new body and years in the future she reforms.
First off thank you for the consistently great content, this video was both comprehensive and entertaining. For me personally I've always put Cassandra Nova in the same category of 'Why?' as stuff like making Tony Stark adopted, saying that the ENTIRE time Sue Storm has been a peerless superspy who just faked all the lack of any agency whatsoever she displayed throughout the early years of the Fantastic Four, Mr. Sinister just becoming wildly flamboyant out of the blue; it just rings as false and unnecessary and contrasts with their established actions. We didn't need an evil female Charles Xavier and there really wasn't anything original to her.
I was wondering how this video was so short given the topic. The thing about Cassie's body is that people didn't understand what Morrison wanted to do with the Stuff space. It was implied she was the character Ernts when she returns in Here Comes Tomorrow. But Whedon ignored that and did his psychic entity thing and then, whoever the X-force writer tied it to Bishop's redemption arc. So I don't think Tom Taylor is fully to blame. They kept bringing her back and contradicting each other
Imagine if the other telepaths had a Cassandra like Charles. Like imagine Psyloches or Emma’s, shoot Jeans! What if Jean had a Cassandra that other the Phoenix
The whole thing about Charles attacking and trying to kill Cassandra in the womb was metaphor. Cassandra was a parasite on Charles in the womb and so he instinctively attacked her to keep her from killing him. Cassandra just made it appear as if she was person or twin of Charles rather than pyskic parasite she was. You could argue that Cassandra created the 'Replacement E-Gene' stuff as a distraction. Hell it started with her trying to control a Trask to restart a Mastermold. So it makes sense she started with the whole mutant conspiracy thing to get Trask to obey her. Hell Trask himself said the whole Neanderthal verses Human thing she was showing him was not how he thought it really was. Cassandra then continued the lie, by making Beast think it was true too, by making him 'see' the 'E-Gene'. This all means anything we see having to with Cassandra is trick to manipulate those around her.
I remember reading that issue no. 1 as a kid. I was sick and my brother thought I was faking. When he found out I wasn't faking to make it up he bought me an X-Men book. It was this issue. I remember being sick in bed seeing her shove her hand through his body and face thinking, wtf am I reading.
Seems like she took on a bit of a shadow king vibe for a minute. I never got around to reading the tail end of the new x-men but in the beginning cassandra felt very threatening and dangerous. Sounds like she might have lost that over time. Wich is the case for many new villains. But she started out well enough
I think you missed her appearance in X-Force, where she and Bishop return from a far-flung future where the Mummudrai have taken over, and she tries to engineer it in the present.
My introduction to Cassandra Nova was in watching the movie DEADPOOL & WOLVERINE. I know that she's evil and all - but quite frankly, she's kinda sexy without even trying to be.
Didn't know she was going to be in a movie. Huh. I thought she was a pretty good villain. Will admit. Was still a little confused on what she was suppose to be by the end of New X-Men. I actually did end up reading Marauders and thought she was well utilized there too and found her current end very fitting.
Grant Morrison intended Cassandra Nova to be redeemed inside of Stuff the Shi'ar Superguardian into Ernst, the superstrong friend of No-Girl with progeria. (Stuff's consciousness being subsumed in this redemption arc is ignored.) Joss Whedon completely missed this plot point for Astonishing X-Men. While that book was slowly coming out, Chuck Austen had also missed the Ernst connection & ended his stint with Nova's consciousness escaping Stuff to influence Carter Ghazikhanian, who was never seen again. So editorial really dropped the ball.
This run had all my least favorite qualities in Morrison’s writing. You see people praising the run for being so fresh and bold and original and yet the big villain is literally Xavier’s evil twin.
Do you think Morrison had planned for all the changes in her origin when he started writing the story? Or, do you think he just changed his mind a few times?
Well that just seems like a mess of character. If they just make her an evil multiversal version of Professor X or something in the Deadpool movie I wouldn't blame them.
Sounds like the writers were kind of figuring her out as they went along, which seemed kind of half assed, and I wish they had had a more flushed out idea of who she was supposed to be and why she was doing what she was doing before they published the story
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Who Is The Scariest X-Men Villain?
For me its probably Selene. They could do so much with her yet, still that is my choice.
Insert unpopular x-men writer.
Shadow King
I feel like the U-Men were really scary due to forced surgical fears. But personally I always got the creeps from the Reavers, mangled cyborgs that are not pretty at all.
Pouch-based costumes.
Charles has so much going on. Evil step brother, evil step father, evil shadow twin, evil shadow self, rivalry with the shadow king, rivalry with magneto. Sort out your life chuck.
Charles could really use a non-evil family member. Get this man a chaotic-neutral uncle.
Even a dalek thinks Charles Xavier's life has too much hatred going on!
A bad father to Legion too
@@JayStorm199 Oh man, Legion has an evil psychic self too but it's in the form of his father. So that's technically 4 evil versions of Prof. X (the Entity, Onslaught, Cassandra Nova, & David's shadow).
Don't forget his dangerous menatlly ill son David.
Poor Cassandra, she was so alone she literally had... No body... 😃
We live as we dream. - Alone.
You know, I half-wish X-Men 97 had included Cassandra Nova after all. Maybe they could have salvaged her like they did for E is for Extinction.
Get out
Omega Pun Detected
Take my angry, begrudged upvote.
Deadpool can’t stop fighting Xavier’s siblings.
lol to true
I feel replacing a wig with a bald cap would have been thematically appropriate for this video.
It would have been a bald move, for sure.
@@ashleytuchin7693 I hate how much I laughed at that joke
Sasha has a Master's in Grant Morrison Studies.
I forgot that this arc also includes the absolutely bonkers story of Xorn. He's the skull guy in some of the panels shown and he's either Magneto pretending to be a 30-something Chinese man, or a 30-something Chinese man with a burning star for a head pretending to be Magneto. Not sure which is worse.
It has always bothered me that Morrison never made the connection of having Cassandra Nova and Sublime being the same type of being. It would have made so much sense. IT WAS RIGHT THERE GRANT.
Maybe they did start out that way and Morrison or Editorial made the change so the later part of the run had more distinct villains.
I just realized that they might be making Cassandra Nova look younger to be the evil twin of the Days of Future Past/Young Charles
Which makes sense.
Although, if we were to have her as the twin of Patrick Stewart.., Jessica Lange.
Morrison has a bad habit of over-complicating origins. Just look at all the changes he made to Prof. Pyg in his Batman run. A fanfic I read streamlined it by leaving Cassandra as Charles' stillborn twin sister that their father preserved since he studied Mutants (this is canon to the comics). But Mr. Sinister found the fetus and mad scienced it into her crazy adult self. Much easier to wrap your head around since mummundai/anti-self thing feels more fitting for Stephen Strange.
Cassandra Nova is a fun villain, but as an actual character she's pretty flat. I was intrigued by her appearance in _X-Men Red_ where Jean fully developed her so she could feel other emotions like empathy but this was dropped by the Krakoa Age. A kind and empathic Cassandra Nova is her end in the "Here Comes Tomorrow" arc.
what's the name of this fanfic if i may ask?
@@eatsomeoranges8936 I remember the author was Red Witch on FFN and the story was in the end of her Misfit series. I can't tell you the title though.
You know what the weird thing is? Morrison ended their run by revealing that Ernst was Cassandra nova.
However, later writers didn’t get it
@@christopherbennett5858 I never understood how that worked. Was Ermst Cassandra's original body that only had the barest of a functioning mind? How did she gain super strength? Was it a secondary mutation like what happened to Emma? I know Morrison's run was cut short but I wish there was some more clarification.
@@wdcain1 Well, that’s the thing; Xavier and Jean were re-educating her.
Could just be that it was accelerated so she had the functionality of a child.
The enhanced strength could either be part of the protoplasm or, like Monet, psychic strength made manifest.
Does Onslaught know that Charles has ANOTHER omnipotent evil psychic double ???
Shadow King's probably pretty mad at everyone stealing his being Xavier's evil bodiless psychic arch enemy bit.
Also the way they write Charles these days, you've got to wonder how long before one of them turns out to be the good twin.
Hickman recreated the Emma × Jean Collab without dialogue in Giant Sized X-Men!
Hickman planned for the big reveal that Storm was pregnant with T'Challa's child but Marvel editors nixed that.
I did not know that💔.
@@noa_the_knower Yep. I swear the only people in Marvel allowed to have kids are Reed Richards and Sue Storm.
Or the Summers folk😭
@@noa_the_knower It makes me laugh that Jean is technically the mother of four kids (Cable, Rachel, Stryfe, & Nate Gray) despite never getting pregnant.
That first three-parter was nuts! It was noticeable because of Emma being front and center with the core team. Secondary mutations! Wild sentinels!
And that unapologetically genocidal Cassandra! Nuts!
All that and movie-similar uniforms too.
What a ride.
See that's my problem with it. It's a big spectacle, yes, but it doesn't actually do much of anything with the characters. Killing 30 Million mutants should be a world-shattering event, or at least emotionally destroy our cast. But we can't think about that! Gotta crack jokes and move on.
She scares me more than Onslught, Mr. Sinister, Apocalypse, Magneto. She is up there with Bastion., the Brood, and the Phalanx.
When she got put in the protoplasm, it was eventually reshaped into this little girl with super strength who looks elderly and calls herself Ernst, and Jean and Charles’ psychically reteaching her gave her a whole new personality. What the hell happened to Ernst? It’s been so long since I’ve read X-Men
That was supposed to be the intent of Morrison, but either future writers didn't pick up on it (though it seemed pretty obvious to me from Here Comes Tomorrow), or the editors decided to ignore it. So in Astonishing X-Men, Whedon just said something like Cassandra had escaped from wherever they were keeping her. And Ernst went on to become just a normal student separate from Nova. Which seems a shame.
@@spookyhappyfun - Thank you. I thought I remembered Whedon f**king that up. I don’t remember the names of the storylines Morrison did, but I knew, as soon as I saw Ernst and how much she looked like Nova, that that was her, and it was confirmed when I saw the promotion for Morrison’s last arc and Nova was carrying Martha, the brain in the jar who was Ernst’s best friend,
I really enjoyed Cassandra during Morrison's original run, and really like her design and personality. The idea of Xavier having an evil opposite (bio-twin or not) is interesting. I like that she's a ferocious (and seriously threatening) older bald woman, when almost every other female in comics is a bikini model.
You would hate one alternative version of her. It’s her old face on a stacked woman body.
I think it’s the owl queen
@@christopherbennett5858 You're probably right, unless it awakens something in me >_>
@@blotcho84 lol.
Found out about it on the Cerebrocast.
I hadn't heard of CN until your last vid. She looks a little like Golem in those later panels. Yikes! The pith helmet in the earlier panels is a nice touch. She's on a mutant-hunting safari.
I would love to see you do a video about Bastion. I don't know anything about his backstory.
Oh, that one's going to be interesting. It's also going to have to be at least partially a history of Master Mold, the original Nimrod, a event involving an evil Wizard that fought Conan, and an unrelated magic door.
I second this !
I like Cassandra and like the fact she is used sparingly. It keeps the mystique fresh. I find the mummardri interesting in general. The hecatomb is horrifying and Cassandra even more so
Your sound effects just crack me up.
I think if somebody told grant morrison about the idea of Tulpas, it would have saved a bit of faffing about
Boy can you imagine them working in the “sibling murder by strangulation in the womb” into Deadpool 3… I feel like Ryan Reynolds would just be like “ oh, I’m gonna make a Disney movie don’t never forget” lol
OMG I can’t wait. I can imagine Cassandra explaining her origins to Deadpool and Wolverine (and the audience) and when she’s done, the two are just standing and staring at her (also maybe give the audience a glance) with the most WTF?! faces ever.
I get the feeling that last part (Cassandra Nova being left stranded in time just before an extinction-level event) is the general idea Deadpool & Wolverine will work from.
The TVA may have pruned her from her timeline and sent her to the Void, but she seems to have built an army of pruned variants and is plotting something.
I remember Nova appeared in X-Force. I can’t remember which specific run but the team definitely had Psylock and Bishop
I said if they add Cassandra Nova to Deadpool it’ll be my new favourite MCU movie, knocking the Marvels down to second, and Strange 2 to third, finally eclipsing Iron Man 1 entirely. This is a new era for me, I’ve never been more of a fan, more satisfied. The X-men 97 finale is gonna slay me too. I’m so happy.
I follow a lot of comic channels, but this is where you find some of the best content. Always love the old Batman stuff!
Emma Corrin playing Cassandra Nova is the latest salvo in the war on crones.
It looks like you missed the Ernst situation?
The implication from Here Comes Tomorrow, with Cassandra Nova Xavier, leader of the X-Men, saying to Martha Johnson whom she has a strong dynamic with, that she can still call her Ernst, was that the Ernst we see in the present who is always hanging with Martha Johnson is Cassandra in Stuff's body acting as a student. That the Here Comes Tomorrow version of her is the result of that rehabilitation.
That gets missed by a bunch of later writers on Ernst.
"She plans in advance", yes, Beast, that is, y'know, how plans work.
Evil Twins taken to the next level lol
Should have known this would have been next after the last Morrison video.
What’s crazy is that no future writer ever continued the connection to Ernst she was supposed to have.
my only exposure to cassandra nova before your videos was actually her appearance in X-Men the end. where by the time she shows up I'm already holding so many fundamental shifts in reality (all the X-children, the gambit/sinister thing, Magneto making a Magnetic portol, that part where Emma gets Rogues tattoo for some reason) that I just kinda excepted her without question.
its nice finally discovering what her deal is.
I'll give Ryan Reynolds personally all the money in the world if the Deadpool & Wolverine movie adapts the fetus fight part of the origin for her with Deadpool riffing on it.
I can dream damn it XD
Thank you Sensational Sasha , because between your explanation & X-Men ‘97 I have now decided to actually read Grant Morrison’s run …I’ve owned it from the beginning but honestly award winning or not that art gave me a WTF , & I’ve never read them …so once again Thank You & Keep Up The Outstanding Work 🖖🏾
If it helps, Quitely doesn’t stay the artist through the whole run.
👍🏾 thanks for the fyi 🖖🏾
When I first saw the thumbnail I thought to myself, Will Sasha be wearing a bald cap for this video? Pleasantly surprised to see you went in the opposite direction and are wearing the most hair possible. Cassandra must be soooooo jealous. (I know Moondragon is.)
I have this theory that Cassandra wasn't as old as she is later depicted. The artist made all of the X-men look like wrinkled babies and since Cassandra debuted with that artist. She got stuck looking like an old baby lady lol
Sort of like how Legion got stuck with Sinkiewicz hair.
I only started hearing about Cassandra last year and always heard the same thing, “She’s just Charles’ evil twin sister.” It made her sound so boring because I have seen that trope so often, but after watching your video, I think she makes for a great villain to the X-Men but mainly Charles. I know she’s supposed to be this “evil incarnate” character type, but I’d love to see a more sympathetic or at least human version of her.
This is my favorite, most complete, and most thorough/clear video on Cassandra Nova I've seen so far-THE ONLY ONE THAT COVERS EVERYTHING!!! THANK YOU!
8:44 Huh, I always thought it was Cassandra who strangled Charles and Charles who did the blast, but now I'm not so sure.
This run is my second all time favorite comic.
From what happens in the run you can infer the following: Cassandra is locked inside the Shi'ar plasmoid body with a super computer inside that starts to act as a programming device to teach her mind empathy. She disappears and later you see this young girl with an old ladies face: Ernst.
From her name and appearance plus the rest of the run, including her end in Here comes Tomorrow - Exploded into what looks like tiny circutry and green goo - Cassandra grows into that plasmoid body, becomes Ernst and is given to Xorn to learn how to be "human" and later dies in Here Comes Tomorrow.
Editorial though changed this and shown us Kitty taking a weird body from inside a vault in the mansion in Astonishing X-Men. That was Cassandra's body, the same proto-plasmoid super computer where she was stuck in Morrison's run. So I believe Editorial just decided to ignore Morrison's infered storytelling in his run and just backtrack it to have her in that body all the time.
So in the end she never left the body, got better (kinda like the Punisher) and grew up into her homicidal tendencies like nothing happened.
P.S: I believe she also appeared as the main antagonist in the Uncanny X-Force run by Sam Humphries.
I thought it was curious that Morrison had Cassandra Nova as the X-Men's leader in the future, but it speaks to the possibility of even the most evil to be redeemed.
@everydayMick so should Mr Sinister be redeemed also?
Oh, Tom Taylor gave her a body in X-Men: Red? Yeah, I don't think you're going to find an explanation for that. He doesn't seem to care about fine details like that. Like for example, in his Nightwing run when the Titans are dropping off Dick's foster daughter on Themyscira Donna mentions getting permission for that from Queen Hyppolyta, When Hyppolyta had been killed recently in Trial of the Amazons which was a pretty major event as far as Wonder Woman stuff goes. Not to Mention Nubia had been queen even longer than that.
Cassandra Nova is such a great villain. She always felt a like a different flavor of Dark Charles Xavier. Like, Onslaught feels more built on Charles’s frustration, whereas Cassandra is pure pettiness. But her teaming up with the Marauders was extremely fun though, with us getting things like her purposely revoking her diplomatic immunity for a tussle with Gladiator.
10:35 Wha... What in the drugged-up fever dream did I just read?! Edit, I was not prepared for that jumpscare with Liliandra at 12:46. That is actually terrifying, and will possibly haunt me in my dreams tonight.
Given Cassandra’s involvement with the Genoshan Massacre, I prefer how she first presented to Trask, DDS. Sure, she has a penchant for lying but if she didn’t actually have a desire to eradicate mutants - just her archfoe Charles - that was an extensive “side amusement” that also drew risk to her plans by announcing herself.
One of the fun things about HeroClix having been around so long is it’s been a “time capsule” for me as I’ve collected throughout the, well, decades. Cassandra got a Clix and, at the time, it seemed perfectly sensible because surely she was going to be reoccurring and important. In hindsight, well…
“Oh,My Stars and F@&king Garters!” 🖖♾
The evolutionary jump is used in X-Men movies during the opening. Then spoken by Jean Grey at the end of X2 as if they were explaining the Phoenix. That's my favorite speech from the movies.
Love ❤ the X-men uniforms in the first X-men trilogy
I was born a twin. I came out second. Feet first. I'll always wonder now what my brother and got up to while we were in there...
I am very intrigued by new xmen now. It looks like a very interesting read.
I didn't read her official story when she was introduced, I had my DK X-Men Official Guide in 2006 that taught me everything i knew about the X-Men at that point, it wasn't till later a bit more about her, and read most of X-Men Red where she started her BS all over again.
Will she pop up again? probably, but she seems to be not a frequently used character, so that's pretty good all things considered.
Though I have to admit, the X-Men dealing with the next stage beyond mutant would be a fun case of the shoe being on the other foot.
Thank you so much was wondering who she was from the Deadpool trailer
Ya know, E is for Extinction was my first big comic book arc and there was a lot of this I did not remember 😅 what a strange character.
I think she was a good recurring villain for Charles the same way Garthe Knight or K.A.R.R. were interesting adversaries for Michael Knight or K.I.T.T. on Knight Rider. You get to see characters that feel that they have been replaced by another model and long for the success they feel they were denied. Her villainy works once her plans are not one note even thought they always have the same expected outcome.
I always thought that it was Baby Cassandra who punched and tried strangle Baby Charles and it was Baby Charles who fought back with his telepathy.
Did Charles try to kill her because he sensed she was evil(perhaps getting an intense negative vibe from her), or did she turn evil because he tried to kill her? Or maybe both?
I would love that comparison video you mentioned!
Sasha, your look in this episode is amazing. Really, really cool
Hey I think Connor Goldsmith has a whole podcast episode about Cassandra Nova. He explains that that proto-plasm body she has becomes her new body and years in the future she reforms.
Cassandra would have been great played by Judy Dench back in 00's X-men films
Just wanna say I love the X-Men videos. I know you focus is mainly on DC but I would love to see more X-Men.
First off thank you for the consistently great content, this video was both comprehensive and entertaining. For me personally I've always put Cassandra Nova in the same category of 'Why?' as stuff like making Tony Stark adopted, saying that the ENTIRE time Sue Storm has been a peerless superspy who just faked all the lack of any agency whatsoever she displayed throughout the early years of the Fantastic Four, Mr. Sinister just becoming wildly flamboyant out of the blue; it just rings as false and unnecessary and contrasts with their established actions. We didn't need an evil female Charles Xavier and there really wasn't anything original to her.
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Cassandra Nova is not the first (and I don't think is the last either) X-Men villain who's a more evolved species than the mutants.
It's really interesting how both the person who leads the heroes and the villianous lead both bear sort of a resemblance to the writer.
IM LIVING FOR THIS WIG!😍
Beasts theory about her nature reminds me of...The Neo!! Hello? Does anyone remember the Neo? Anyone? Anyone?...😮
Pretty sure I’ve read every Cassandra Nova appearance and I still have no idea what her actual origin is lol
I'm so excited to see Cassandra Nova in Deadpool and Wolverine
Was Cassandra Nova the physical manifestation of the concept of the retcon? She was going on about one thing replacing another.
There are multiple contenders for that title, like Sentry and Forget-Me-Not - and the winner is Donna Troy!
I was wondering how this video was so short given the topic. The thing about Cassie's body is that people didn't understand what Morrison wanted to do with the Stuff space. It was implied she was the character Ernts when she returns in Here Comes Tomorrow. But Whedon ignored that and did his psychic entity thing and then, whoever the X-force writer tied it to Bishop's redemption arc. So I don't think Tom Taylor is fully to blame. They kept bringing her back and contradicting each other
And that's not even getting into the writers that wanted to use her but got denied like how she was tied to Austins run and Nurse Annie's kid
I didn't know her name but I remember people referencing her on /co/ back in the day, especially when it came to power level threads
Imagine if the other telepaths had a Cassandra like Charles. Like imagine Psyloches or Emma’s, shoot Jeans! What if Jean had a Cassandra that other the Phoenix
Jamie Braddock could be kind of that to Betsy
The whole thing about Charles attacking and trying to kill Cassandra in the womb was metaphor. Cassandra was a parasite on Charles in the womb and so he instinctively attacked her to keep her from killing him. Cassandra just made it appear as if she was person or twin of Charles rather than pyskic parasite she was. You could argue that Cassandra created the 'Replacement E-Gene' stuff as a distraction. Hell it started with her trying to control a Trask to restart a Mastermold. So it makes sense she started with the whole mutant conspiracy thing to get Trask to obey her. Hell Trask himself said the whole Neanderthal verses Human thing she was showing him was not how he thought it really was. Cassandra then continued the lie, by making Beast think it was true too, by making him 'see' the 'E-Gene'. This all means anything we see having to with Cassandra is trick to manipulate those around her.
Lore of X-Men Villains - Who/What Is Cassandra Nova? Momentum 100
15:37 YES! I love to see that on the next vid
...and this is why I just stick to back issues. This sounds insane!
I like Grant Morrison. I love The X-men. I really do not like those things combined.
I like the idea of Charles Xavier but evil. Except we had that already and his name was Magneto.
I'm wondering how she'll turn out in the Deadpool/Wolverine film? If they keep her story less convoluted, she could become a major film villain.
I remember reading that issue no. 1 as a kid. I was sick and my brother thought I was faking. When he found out I wasn't faking to make it up he bought me an X-Men book. It was this issue. I remember being sick in bed seeing her shove her hand through his body and face thinking, wtf am I reading.
I think she's better as a one and done but can work well in smaller personal stories
You know who’d be able to help the X-Men deal with Cassandra Nova? Grant Morrison’s Batman, that’s who!
Seems like she took on a bit of a shadow king vibe for a minute. I never got around to reading the tail end of the new x-men but in the beginning cassandra felt very threatening and dangerous. Sounds like she might have lost that over time. Wich is the case for many new villains. But she started out well enough
I think you missed her appearance in X-Force, where she and Bishop return from a far-flung future where the Mummudrai have taken over, and she tries to engineer it in the present.
That's Grant Morrison for ya! Plot Twist after Plot Twist after Plot Twist...🤯
My introduction to Cassandra Nova was in watching the movie DEADPOOL & WOLVERINE. I know that she's evil and all - but quite frankly, she's kinda sexy without even trying to be.
i have a really old powerful Heroclix of Cassandra
It's been awhile but man, I surely missed you😌🖤
Hair looks dope.
Didn't know she was going to be in a movie. Huh. I thought she was a pretty good villain. Will admit. Was still a little confused on what she was suppose to be by the end of New X-Men. I actually did end up reading Marauders and thought she was well utilized there too and found her current end very fitting.
Wasn't there a sequence or panel that showed Nova as an ally fighting alongside the xmen in some future flash forward?
I think you missed another appearance. There was a comic run based on the 90s cartoon (not in 616)
Grant Morrison intended Cassandra Nova to be redeemed inside of Stuff the Shi'ar Superguardian into Ernst, the superstrong friend of No-Girl with progeria. (Stuff's consciousness being subsumed in this redemption arc is ignored.) Joss Whedon completely missed this plot point for Astonishing X-Men. While that book was slowly coming out, Chuck Austen had also missed the Ernst connection & ended his stint with Nova's consciousness escaping Stuff to influence Carter Ghazikhanian, who was never seen again. So editorial really dropped the ball.
This run had all my least favorite qualities in Morrison’s writing. You see people praising the run for being so fresh and bold and original and yet the big villain is literally Xavier’s evil twin.
Do you think Morrison had planned for all the changes in her origin when he started writing the story? Or, do you think he just changed his mind a few times?
Well that just seems like a mess of character. If they just make her an evil multiversal version of Professor X or something in the Deadpool movie I wouldn't blame them.
Sounds like the writers were kind of figuring her out as they went along, which seemed kind of half assed, and I wish they had had a more flushed out idea of who she was supposed to be and why she was doing what she was doing before they published the story
Didn't this run also introduce Negasonic Teenage Warhead who turned out to have been dead all along?
Yes. Her second appearance turned out to be imaginary. I think it wasn’t until the Deadpool film that she actually existed.