When the fight starts, the inverted protagonist is slightly experienced in inverted fights and that's why he kicks the hand holding the gun (at 2:16). As the fight goes on, the inverted protagonist starts becoming inexperienced and that gives the normal protagonist the upper hand in the end.
@@enlight_8360 Yeah it's literally a paradox of causality: he crawled toward his gun because he was kicked because he crawled towards his gun because he was ki- you get the idea.
How cool is that both protagonists won their own fight in their actual time direction over the other, and that it kinda makes perfect sense in terms of "experience" gained during the fight ?
@@felix_quintana if you do happen to see him dead at the beginning of the fight, and you decide to unkill him, it doesnt discount the possibility that he will kill you.
Actually it seems more the inverted protagonist fire the gun to force his forward self to get closer to the turnstile, which is why it seems in forward pov he's casefully firing aside him, each time, exactly wheres forward TP will move
2:20 I think the Inverted TP didn’t kick the gun away. In his perspective, the gun launched itself to Normal TP’s hand and the Inverted TP blocked the Normal TP’s arm with his foot to avoid Normal TP from using the gun which is why from Normal TP’s perspective, the Inverted TP kicked the gun away.
@@zulprime5586 the gun was inverted. So an empty gun is actually loaded (assuming the shooter is moving forward through time), like during the scene with the scientist. Likewise, the gun in this fight scene is inverted. It was “empty” (loaded) from forward perspective at the beginning of the fight and “loaded” (empty) at the end of the fight when the forward protagonist held the gun to his inverted self. So therefore, after the inverted protagonist shot all of the gun’s bullets, it was empty, regardless of what direction in time you’re moving. My point is the gun was basically useless to forward protagonist because it while it appeared loaded, it was actually empty. Does that make sense? Don't worry if it doesn't. My head's spinning just thinking about it.
@@zulprime5586 yes. But the reloaded gun (from a forward perspective) is actually empty since the gun is inverted because if fired by a forward person, the bullets would recede into the gun. For the gun to be truly reloaded, the gun has to be reverted to forward entropy.
@@cloudtheavegner1000 The gun was inverted, yes. But it was only empty in the first few seconds after the inverted Protagonist came out of the turnstile. After he backwards shot at his forward self, the gun was then loaded, and remained loaded for the rest of the fight.
people talking shit about this movie is the reason we are getting a biopic from nolan. I dont think anyone in the future would dare to make a movie like this. this movie is above and beyond a masterpiece once you understand the complexity. i am watching it again and again on netflix and every time I learn somthing new
I feel like that’s the point of the movie it’s like a piece of art, you don’t buy art and look at it once you look/watch it multiple times try understand it, this movie is art
Thanks man... no matter how many times I see this movie I always yearn for certain scenes to magically assemble themselves in a logical format in my minds' eye... thank goodness there are guys like you out there doing that for me. Nice breakdown and thankyou again.
I think the big thing that gets overlooked in this scene is that neither of these people could have actually won that fight. If they had, then the fight would have begun with one of them being dead at first. All you can do is defend yourself, because the only person's fate that you don't know at that point is your own, and it's possible you end up dead at the end of the fight (or started dead at the beginning of the inverted's fight).
Not every fight needs to be to the death, i thought he lost the first fight but won the second one because his goal was to stop the antagonis but he got away and in the second fight it was getting back to the turn stylr
Can you imagine the terrifying realisation that the dead body that came to life to fight you was yourself from the future? it's scary to think you'd know how it plays out and that you die at the end of it
@@manwithanidea better enjoy the meantime as much as possible, then! there's a short story about people whose fates are predetermined, (although not in as much of an interesting way as them killing their inverted selves) who are enlisted into a special unit to perform dangerous operations, so that they are guaranteed to succeed, or at least escape alive. now that i think about it, however, this same principle would apply if you saw your future self _at all._
The whole fight is great, beginning makes sense both ways, the back crawl was insanely creepy when I first saw it, the later suplex throw makes sense both ways as well, but the shoulder throw would make sense only in forward time, because I think the Protagonist didn't have much experience with the inversion whatsoever, therefore he could not have unthrow his inverted self, and if he could pull off the move, my question is: why would he put himself in a disadvantage?
I don't think that you really need a "special punch technique" to hit an inverted opponent effectively. Consistent with the other weird fight physics (e.g. those anti-gravity grapples), you just punch the inverted guy normally. From the inverted perspective, their body is somehow "pulled" into the oncoming punch by the reversed force.
That’s probably true to an extent. It depends on whether the cause-effect is flowing with forward entropy or inverted entropy. For example, you need a special technique to un-drop an inverted bullet. In the same way, you may need a special punch to cause your opponent to feel the effect of your punch in your own cause-effect flow, rather than theirs. If you use regular force, you’ll heal their wound in your own time perception, which won’t do you any good, because they’ll be less injured in your own real time. Think of the lock pick that the forward Protagonist jammed into his inverted self’s arm. His inverted self was more injured after that happened, than before it happened, for the forward Protagonist. In his own perspective, he was injured before it happened, and his opponent healed him. It could be the same with punches. Does that make sense?
Few things to remember when watching this scene -The inverted protagonist is starting the fight from the very end of his fight -The inverted protagonist knows that he is fighting his forward self -The fight is shown from the forward protagonist pov
I always struggled to provide a justification for the protagonist moving backwards away from the inverted protagonist as he "crawls" inverted toward him.. I guess being freaked out makes sense, but I wonder if that was their intention.. they could have made it more clear.. my initial thought was that he felt an unknown force (inverted energy) acting upon him, or perhaps the "instinct" he talked about when he was with the lab-coat lady.. i thought this "instinct" was why he kicked the inverted protagonist as he comes up from the ground.. ow my brain
Definitely feels like an extended inverted reaction based on the force of that kick. Forward P defends himself as hard as he can with that foot but by doing so, he enacts a force that inverted creates a powerful kick sending Inverted P to the floor. I'm also of the "inverted energy" belief because Forward P's hands and behavior feel like he's not in control of his actions. If he was just trying to get away from the freaky spider crawling Inverted P I don't think he would be examining his chest in such a panic like he does. As is it appears it's like a "Oh good heavens! a person crawling in reverse! My word!"
@@donaldbonds5233 I'm not sure is what I'm saying. I'm just pointing out, it doesn't feel like Forward TP willingly backs up. If it was just shock and him backing away from something as weird as someone "reverse crawling" towards him, I dont think he'd be putting his hands up to his torso all melodramatic like that. Nah he's feeling "something" push him back, and that's got me thinking how inverse objects and people, and their reactions, impact forward objects and people.
I've seen people ask how the protagonist flipped the inverted protagonist over his shoulder, for the occurance to then take place going back over his shoulder from a forward moving prospective. The answer to this is simple.....instinct. When the doctor at the beginning is pushing the bullet around the table in an inverted manner, telling him not to understand it but to feel it, it looks like the bullet is just bouncing back into his hand. But from the bullet's perspective, he's actually thrown it to her. It's his instincts kicking in during the fight.
The first time we see the fight, Inverted TP pushes the gun out of Forward TP's hand using his foot. The second time we see the fight, Inverted TP uses his hand to stop the gun. I'm surprised you didn't mention this continuity error.
1:54 I thought the punches would still be effective, they would just be backwards. Same with the knife wound: you're being 'unpunched' (the pain would be gradual, then climactic, then at the impact of the punch it would vanish). This video helped though with brain-benders in this scene. Thanks!
With him kicking the gun out his own hand not making much sense I can see it as the gun being kicked out of his hand and also him using his leg to prevent himself pointing the gun closer to his body some how making a inverted kick but idk
Hey that’s a good point! I watched that part again and I think you’re right, the inverted Protagonist was using his foot to block his forward self’s arm from pointing the gun at him. Great observation!
At 2:20 isn't the inverted protag preventing forward protag with his foot from holding the gun ? i dont think he had the intention to kick the gun away at all, it was kinda clear that he did that in reaction to the gun flying from the ground to forward protag's hand in his perspective
The problem here is that it's said that if you touch your future self, you will be annihilated. It clearly shows that he touched his future self through a sleeve opening there.
Why is no one talking about the gun disarm at the beginning, the forward protagonist is disarming the gun like he is inverted at the same time as his future self
1:52 the protagonist simply pull the fist away quickly is not right in my opinion tho. You can be inverted or normal but the force that got release into the system got to be there. In my mind, the inverted protagonist feels pain before the fist came, just that.
When you say the force “got released into the system,” that’s described from a forward perspective. From an inverted perspective, the force is being taken out of the system.
@@stephenford3359 Yeah, true, and it's gotta be weird to gradually feel more and more pain until your pain is peak, then the force got taken out of the system and you feel nothing.
Well. I think "special punch technique" - have a place there. It's like with "instincts" for don't throwing inverted bullet, but catch up. For inverted objects and peoples you need use not just direct force - but some "mental" things. It's interrasting concept with living in different time dirrection: I think there can be alot of mistakes, but it's still cool
This scene is just amazing, i can't stop to watch it However, the gun kick at 2:16 blows my mind, how did the gun got throw away ? It makes no sense from Forward Prota and Inverted Prota
I understand that the protagonist kicks the inverted to the floor from the inverted perspective but i never understood the floor crawling, from neither perspective. How does he move like that? The kick to the floor doesnt make you bounce 4 times
There's no point in inverted punching someone because if the punch were successful, then you should see the inverted protagonist take the damage of the punch before you do anything. Consequently, if the fight being with you being attacked by the inverted person, then it means you don't win, since from the inverted's perspective, he made it to the end of the fight without getting downed.
Either the punch heals some preexisting pain, or the physics of un-punching someone simply has no effect, like if you were to literally press your fist against someone’s arm and then pull it back quickly (inversion physics can have multiple possible effects)
@@stephenford3359 the only thing i have problem with is thinking about what the direction of the pain/effect is in time when it is caused by an inverted person/event respective to your direction in time
In normal time the plane's turbine begins to suck in air violently before the explosion occurs, so in inverted time when the inverted protagonist is going to get in, the turbine "implodes" and starts to blows out air and TP is pushed in
@@stephenford3359 was it though? Because from inverted Protagonist’s POV, when he was pushed into the forward Protagonist’s hands by the reverse exploding plane engine, the gun was already in the forward Protagonist’s hands.
@@richos07 That’s what I thought at first, then I watched the scene again and no the forward Protagonist “took” (technically gave back) the gun “from” his inverted self. The forward Protagonist and Neil weren’t armed with weapons when the went to Oslo to steal the painting. When they went back there inverted, they were armed because they thought Sator’s men were inside (remember, the Protagonist initially assumed he was attacked by one of Sator’s men, not himself, in the Oslo vault)
@@richos07 See Stephen's comment. It's easy to miss, but you can see inverted protag holding a gun in one of the shot right before he gets blown into the door. You can also see that earlier protag has no gun after the fight. If you watch carefully, the first fight you can see some quick hand movements, (the hand movements where the gun is exchanged are always really weird, which makes sense for an inverted handoff) and the gun goes away.
you can break down what is on the screen, but it still makes no sense at all. I wish Nolan and all the tenet fans some day tell us the truth, that it is a meaningless mess and they just fucked with us
I thought the Protagonist was suffering from "Plot Induced Stupidity", as it turns out he was just using his instincts to counteract with the inverted guy's movements.
jo have to mind the punchis are effectively because the logic is uncleare there is working two timestrings together one vs another so you can't explain it with logic damn
Here’s the problem with “inversion”: that fight would be impossible. If one of them is moving forward through time and the other moving backward, they would not be able to interact. All out have here is one guy moving forward and one guy moving backward, but physically backward, not backward through time. If he were really moving backward through time they could only experience each other for that brief moment as their times synced up.
I'm not sure I'm getting what you mean, but they are both experiencing the same time, just in different directions. They are both in the same place at the same time throughout the whole fight.
One of the best breakdowns I've seen simple and to the point. Plus no speech at the beginning the guy literally jumps into the topic.
Thanks! Yeah I hate those long drawn out intros and all that BS. By the way, check out my newest video I just uploaded yesterday
Would have been funny if he had the long intro with bs at the end lol
@@stephenford3359doing gods work
When the fight starts, the inverted protagonist is slightly experienced in inverted fights and that's why he kicks the hand holding the gun (at 2:16). As the fight goes on, the inverted protagonist starts becoming inexperienced and that gives the normal protagonist the upper hand in the end.
Stfu right freakin now.... XD I swear just when I think this movie hasn't blown my mind enough. That's why its my new alltime favorite.
@@ReMattch i also didnt notice this until now.
@@ReMattch tenets one of the best movies in the last 5 years
@@hovertech7837 Why are there people who don't like this movie?! Do they just... not get it?
@@tylerduggan7776I talked with someone who didn't like the film, and what you said is precisely why they didn't like it.
The backwards floor crawl is probably one of my favorite shots in action movies. It's just perfect.
The best part is that they’re both freaking out in that moment, but one freak out causes the other in a causal loop lol😂.
@@enlight_8360 Yeah it's literally a paradox of causality: he crawled toward his gun because he was kicked because he crawled towards his gun because he was ki- you get the idea.
How cool is that both protagonists won their own fight in their actual time direction over the other, and that it kinda makes perfect sense in terms of "experience" gained during the fight ?
That's why fighting an inverted oponnent is useless. If you don't see him dead/defeated at the beginning of the fight, that means you will not win.
@@felix_quintana well not always...
@@felix_quintana if you do happen to see him dead at the beginning of the fight, and you decide to unkill him, it doesnt discount the possibility that he will kill you.
This scene the first time I saw it honestly was horrific. Like it felt he was being attacked by some supernatural entity that can reverse time/gravity
The mask and helmet make it pretty intimidating because you have no idea who it is at this point.
Honestly, this movie is way ahead of its time.
Or behind.
or inverted
If this ain't the greatest fight scene in movie history, I don't know what is.
Protagonist: I won the fight
Also Protagonist: Alright lets fight
Actually it seems more the inverted protagonist fire the gun to force his forward self to get closer to the turnstile, which is why it seems in forward pov he's casefully firing aside him, each time, exactly wheres forward TP will move
That’s true, it’s described that way in the Tenet script as well. Good observation
2:20
I think the Inverted TP didn’t kick the gun away. In his perspective, the gun launched itself to Normal TP’s hand and the Inverted TP blocked the Normal TP’s arm with his foot to avoid Normal TP from using the gun which is why from Normal TP’s perspective, the Inverted TP kicked the gun away.
I don't know. The gun was inverted, so therefore a fully loaded gun is actually empty.
@@zulprime5586 the gun was inverted. So an empty gun is actually loaded (assuming the shooter is moving forward through time), like during the scene with the scientist. Likewise, the gun in this fight scene is inverted. It was “empty” (loaded) from forward perspective at the beginning of the fight and “loaded” (empty) at the end of the fight when the forward protagonist held the gun to his inverted self. So therefore, after the inverted protagonist shot all of the gun’s bullets, it was empty, regardless of what direction in time you’re moving.
My point is the gun was basically useless to forward protagonist because it while it appeared loaded, it was actually empty.
Does that make sense? Don't worry if it doesn't. My head's spinning just thinking about it.
@@zulprime5586 yes. But the reloaded gun (from a forward perspective) is actually empty since the gun is inverted because if fired by a forward person, the bullets would recede into the gun. For the gun to be truly reloaded, the gun has to be reverted to forward entropy.
@@cloudtheavegner1000 The gun was inverted, yes. But it was only empty in the first few seconds after the inverted Protagonist came out of the turnstile. After he backwards shot at his forward self, the gun was then loaded, and remained loaded for the rest of the fight.
@@stephenford3359 you’re missing my point. A loaded inverted gun is empty from a forward perspective.
people talking shit about this movie is the reason we are getting a biopic from nolan. I dont think anyone in the future would dare to make a movie like this. this movie is above and beyond a masterpiece once you understand the complexity. i am watching it again and again on netflix and every time I learn somthing new
I feel like that’s the point of the movie it’s like a piece of art, you don’t buy art and look at it once you look/watch it multiple times try understand it, this movie is art
Thanks man... no matter how many times I see this movie I always yearn for certain scenes to magically assemble themselves in a logical format in my minds' eye... thank goodness there are guys like you out there doing that for me.
Nice breakdown and thankyou again.
I think the big thing that gets overlooked in this scene is that neither of these people could have actually won that fight. If they had, then the fight would have begun with one of them being dead at first. All you can do is defend yourself, because the only person's fate that you don't know at that point is your own, and it's possible you end up dead at the end of the fight (or started dead at the beginning of the inverted's fight).
Not every fight needs to be to the death, i thought he lost the first fight but won the second one because his goal was to stop the antagonis but he got away and in the second fight it was getting back to the turn stylr
Can you imagine the terrifying realisation that the dead body that came to life to fight you was yourself from the future? it's scary to think you'd know how it plays out and that you die at the end of it
@@manwithanidea better enjoy the meantime as much as possible, then! there's a short story about people whose fates are predetermined, (although not in as much of an interesting way as them killing their inverted selves) who are enlisted into a special unit to perform dangerous operations, so that they are guaranteed to succeed, or at least escape alive.
now that i think about it, however, this same principle would apply if you saw your future self _at all._
I havn't seen this kind of action in my whole life
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Thanks! There’s more of this coming, believe me
Glad you're explaining this. It went over my head when I watched it...
The whole fight is great, beginning makes sense both ways, the back crawl was insanely creepy when I first saw it, the later suplex throw makes sense both ways as well, but the shoulder throw would make sense only in forward time, because I think the Protagonist didn't have much experience with the inversion whatsoever, therefore he could not have unthrow his inverted self, and if he could pull off the move, my question is: why would he put himself in a disadvantage?
I don't think that you really need a "special punch technique" to hit an inverted opponent effectively. Consistent with the other weird fight physics (e.g. those anti-gravity grapples), you just punch the inverted guy normally. From the inverted perspective, their body is somehow "pulled" into the oncoming punch by the reversed force.
That’s probably true to an extent. It depends on whether the cause-effect is flowing with forward entropy or inverted entropy. For example, you need a special technique to un-drop an inverted bullet. In the same way, you may need a special punch to cause your opponent to feel the effect of your punch in your own cause-effect flow, rather than theirs. If you use regular force, you’ll heal their wound in your own time perception, which won’t do you any good, because they’ll be less injured in your own real time. Think of the lock pick that the forward Protagonist jammed into his inverted self’s arm. His inverted self was more injured after that happened, than before it happened, for the forward Protagonist. In his own perspective, he was injured before it happened, and his opponent healed him. It could be the same with punches. Does that make sense?
@@stephenford3359 what the... So when he stabbed inv TP, he actually hurt himself ??!
When does the wound appear if he's been healed??
@@mdahsenmirza2536 Wound appeared in 5 minutes (or 10) before the fight, it was shown in the film
@@tcrowdd yeah, i watched the movie after i commented... Silly me
Loved this! Great coverage. Thanks
Crazy how the protagonist wins both fights.
If you watch this for the first time and look closely you can tell he’s fighting himself the protagonist does the exact same leg sweep
Came from FB, you are awesome man!
Thanks dude! Stick around, there’s more coming
Few things to remember when watching this scene
-The inverted protagonist is starting the fight from the very end of his fight
-The inverted protagonist knows that he is fighting his forward self
-The fight is shown from the forward protagonist pov
Great breakdown and what choreography from Nolans team! :)
I always struggled to provide a justification for the protagonist moving backwards away from the inverted protagonist as he "crawls" inverted toward him.. I guess being freaked out makes sense, but I wonder if that was their intention.. they could have made it more clear.. my initial thought was that he felt an unknown force (inverted energy) acting upon him, or perhaps the "instinct" he talked about when he was with the lab-coat lady.. i thought this "instinct" was why he kicked the inverted protagonist as he comes up from the ground.. ow my brain
Definitely feels like an extended inverted reaction based on the force of that kick. Forward P defends himself as hard as he can with that foot but by doing so, he enacts a force that inverted creates a powerful kick sending Inverted P to the floor.
I'm also of the "inverted energy" belief because Forward P's hands and behavior feel like he's not in control of his actions. If he was just trying to get away from the freaky spider crawling Inverted P I don't think he would be examining his chest in such a panic like he does. As is it appears it's like a "Oh good heavens! a person crawling in reverse! My word!"
@@donaldbonds5233 I'm not sure is what I'm saying. I'm just pointing out, it doesn't feel like Forward TP willingly backs up. If it was just shock and him backing away from something as weird as someone "reverse crawling" towards him, I dont think he'd be putting his hands up to his torso all melodramatic like that. Nah he's feeling "something" push him back, and that's got me thinking how inverse objects and people, and their reactions, impact forward objects and people.
I've seen people ask how the protagonist flipped the inverted protagonist over his shoulder, for the occurance to then take place going back over his shoulder from a forward moving prospective. The answer to this is simple.....instinct. When the doctor at the beginning is pushing the bullet around the table in an inverted manner, telling him not to understand it but to feel it, it looks like the bullet is just bouncing back into his hand. But from the bullet's perspective, he's actually thrown it to her. It's his instincts kicking in during the fight.
my head hurts!!!
Finally! I can understand this scene
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Thanks!
The first time we see the fight, Inverted TP pushes the gun out of Forward TP's hand using his foot. The second time we see the fight, Inverted TP uses his hand to stop the gun. I'm surprised you didn't mention this continuity error.
1:54 I thought the punches would still be effective, they would just be backwards. Same with the knife wound: you're being 'unpunched' (the pain would be gradual, then climactic, then at the impact of the punch it would vanish). This video helped though with brain-benders in this scene. Thanks!
With him kicking the gun out his own hand not making much sense I can see it as the gun being kicked out of his hand and also him using his leg to prevent himself pointing the gun closer to his body some how making a inverted kick but idk
Hey that’s a good point! I watched that part again and I think you’re right, the inverted Protagonist was using his foot to block his forward self’s arm from pointing the gun at him. Great observation!
At 2:20 isn't the inverted protag preventing forward protag with his foot from holding the gun ? i dont think he had the intention to kick the gun away at all, it was kinda clear that he did that in reaction to the gun flying from the ground to forward protag's hand in his perspective
Great analysis!
Straight to the point... Excellent explanation.... New subscriber 👍
Thank you for this !
So basically, punching is useless
U have to make a genius tricky maneuvers to make an actually attack
The problem here is that it's said that if you touch your future self, you will be annihilated. It clearly shows that he touched his future self through a sleeve opening there.
Uoy knaht, thank you
Why is no one talking about the gun disarm at the beginning, the forward protagonist is disarming the gun like he is inverted at the same time as his future self
1:52 the protagonist simply pull the fist away quickly is not right in my opinion tho. You can be inverted or normal but the force that got release into the system got to be there. In my mind, the inverted protagonist feels pain before the fist came, just that.
When you say the force “got released into the system,” that’s described from a forward perspective. From an inverted perspective, the force is being taken out of the system.
@@stephenford3359 Yeah, true, and it's gotta be weird to gradually feel more and more pain until your pain is peak, then the force got taken out of the system and you feel nothing.
Well. I think "special punch technique" - have a place there. It's like with "instincts" for don't throwing inverted bullet, but catch up. For inverted objects and peoples you need use not just direct force - but some "mental" things. It's interrasting concept with living in different time dirrection: I think there can be alot of mistakes, but it's still cool
This scene is just amazing, i can't stop to watch it
However, the gun kick at 2:16 blows my mind, how did the gun got throw away ?
It makes no sense from Forward Prota and Inverted Prota
I understand that the protagonist kicks the inverted to the floor from the inverted perspective but i never understood the floor crawling, from neither perspective. How does he move like that? The kick to the floor doesnt make you bounce 4 times
He's not bouncing. He's pushing himself away with his feet
It becomes less interesting when you realize there is no choice actually happening. Just causes and effects going in both directions.
There's no point in inverted punching someone because if the punch were successful, then you should see the inverted protagonist take the damage of the punch before you do anything. Consequently, if the fight being with you being attacked by the inverted person, then it means you don't win, since from the inverted's perspective, he made it to the end of the fight without getting downed.
This was helpfull.
The pain comes before the punch... that's why it's ineffective, right?
Either the punch heals some preexisting pain, or the physics of un-punching someone simply has no effect, like if you were to literally press your fist against someone’s arm and then pull it back quickly (inversion physics can have multiple possible effects)
@@stephenford3359 the only thing i have problem with is thinking about what the direction of the pain/effect is in time when it is caused by an inverted person/event respective to your direction in time
I just don't get how the explosion affects the backwards protagonist. Shouldn't he be falling INTO the explosion as the explosion is backwards?
In normal time the plane's turbine begins to suck in air violently before the explosion occurs, so in inverted time when the inverted protagonist is going to get in, the turbine "implodes" and starts to blows out air and TP is pushed in
Isn’t the gun inverted??? It’s acting like it’s not
Yes the gun is inverted. It is brought into the scene by the inverted Protagonist
@@stephenford3359 was it though? Because from inverted Protagonist’s POV, when he was pushed into the forward Protagonist’s hands by the reverse exploding plane engine, the gun was already in the forward Protagonist’s hands.
@@richos07 That’s what I thought at first, then I watched the scene again and no the forward Protagonist “took” (technically gave back) the gun “from” his inverted self. The forward Protagonist and Neil weren’t armed with weapons when the went to Oslo to steal the painting. When they went back there inverted, they were armed because they thought Sator’s men were inside (remember, the Protagonist initially assumed he was attacked by one of Sator’s men, not himself, in the Oslo vault)
@@richos07 See Stephen's comment. It's easy to miss, but you can see inverted protag holding a gun in one of the shot right before he gets blown into the door. You can also see that earlier protag has no gun after the fight. If you watch carefully, the first fight you can see some quick hand movements, (the hand movements where the gun is exchanged are always really weird, which makes sense for an inverted handoff) and the gun goes away.
Wait did Nolan hired you. 🤨🤨
Hahaha I wish! Nolan films are the bomb!
look at gun location 1:36 then at 1:37. i know its just a movie.
you can break down what is on the screen, but it still makes no sense at all. I wish Nolan and all the tenet fans some day tell us the truth, that it is a meaningless mess and they just fucked with us
I thought the Protagonist was suffering from "Plot Induced Stupidity", as it turns out he was just using his instincts to counteract with the inverted guy's movements.
jo have to mind the punchis are effectively because the logic is uncleare
there is working two timestrings together one vs another so you can't explain it with logic damn
This fight looks goofy af
Still don’t get it lol
Here’s the problem with “inversion”: that fight would be impossible. If one of them is moving forward through time and the other moving backward, they would not be able to interact. All out have here is one guy moving forward and one guy moving backward, but physically backward, not backward through time. If he were really moving backward through time they could only experience each other for that brief moment as their times synced up.
I'm not sure I'm getting what you mean, but they are both experiencing the same time, just in different directions. They are both in the same place at the same time throughout the whole fight.
@@GrayCatbird1 I think that movie broke my brain. I don’t know