Mesut Ozil... He was considered to be the best CAM while playing for Real Madrid. At Arsenal he played exactly the same way and everyone said he was a lazy luxury player
Not so black and white. I'm an Arsenal supporter, and I watched every game he played with us. People have argued about since 2014. He started well enough and had one amazing season and then his form tanked. Always was hot and cold - 'On his day, blah, blah, blah'. It was said Wenger would even let him pick his battles, Aaron Ramsey made a joke about it at one point. People like guys like him so much that they just don't want to accept that he simply wasn't great anymore. When City defeated us 3-1 some years back, KDB said they knew it was like playing against 7 men when they had the ball in our half because the guys up top (Aubemeyang, Lacazette and Ozil) would not do anything defensively. Years before that Thomas Muller alluded to it when Bayern defeated us in the CL, and their chairman straight out called him out (Uli Hoeness). Every team and manager knew this about him and took advantage of it. Usually, I find it's non supporters saying he was this perfect player for us, but that's because they didn't actually watch him play, week in week out for 90 minutes.
This may be an illusion, but I feel like if we look back 10/15 years ago, football blessed us way more with amazing wingers. They were so talented that they could offer us regularly "One show man" appearances. Alexis Sanchez, Di Maria, Neymar , Douglas Costa, Robben, Ribery, Hazard, Dybala, Shaqiri, Bale, Reus... Same for the striker position and dribbly Midfielders à la Modric, Pogba are also pretty rare. As well as metronome players à la Kroos, Xabi Alonso, ...
I agree but at the same time we are in the middle of a switch between generations. I think this next upcoming generation starting from like 03 will bless us. Imagine in like 5-10 years when we will have prime jude, wirtz, musiala, yamal, estevao, guler etc.
Exactly! I totally stopped watching football pundits and youtubers who give their opinion which is just them jumping on the bandwagon of the most extreme opinion that everybody agrees with. Seriously, you're one of the only football youtubers I watch because you understand this problem with football punditry and are fair in your own judgements.
People always gonna hate. If you have good stats they'll talk about ascetics, if your fun to watch they'll talk about stats, if you carry a bad team they'll talk about trophies, if you play for a good club you get "carried". Fact of the matter theres no pleasing people.
I think both Robben and Salah are selfish players that tend to choke more than half of the time. They both are very selfish, both had flops in champions league finals, both are fast paced dribbles who seem to shoot only. Not creative play makers. Both are mid aesthetically speaking. Both had good teams and could have won more trophies. Especially the champions league and international. Honestly I would not have these two in my team.
Hazard is the biggest example of this. Everyone forget that Hazard was probably the best player in the league when he was playing , then he moved to Madrid and the injuries caught finally caught up to his body and basically retired in 2020 and everyone now views him as a lazy bum, just pains me to see as a Chelsea fan
He is a lazy bum, he got injured at the age of 28 and decided he didn’t wanna recover. 5 whole years, if he wasn’t lazy he could’ve been doing what Messi was doing at 33. Also he’s always been a lazy bum, his teammates keep on saying he basically never trained and just did well in games. Well that lazy bum didn’t train, his body caught up to him and he couldn’t put the work in to recover. This isn’t just a hazard thing, there’s other players in other sports who didn’t take care of their body and left the top level much earlier than they should’ve. Dwight Howard is one of them, ate like shit, was pretty good but in his later years his body suffered, however instead of his sitting down and giving up he did change himself and got on a better diet and started taking care of his body. Messi was injury prone in the beginning of his career, and actually that same injury that was holding him back in his early years is finally catching up to him at the age of 37. But he worked hard, he fixed his diet and started training more, I mean it’s well known and there’s videos of Messi puking during games, his diet was bad, he had a reoccurring injury, but guess what? His longevity is one of the things he’s known for now, he prolonged his career way longer than most players and at a high level too. Hazard, is talented, he was one of the best prem players for a couple of years. But is he a lazy bum who retired at the age of 28? Yeah. He didn’t even try to fix himself, and people say: “oh well the pandemic or something, and he couldn’t get proper care” no that’s not what happened, he joined Real Madrid in 2018, he got injured in preseason and basically never recovered, two years before the pandemic. So in conclusion, was hazard a good player in his prime? Yeah. But is hazard a lazy bum? Yes, and there’s videos of his former teammates saying so. And him not being still good or even playing by 33 is a major factor as to why people consider him a lazy bum. I mean 2018 was so long ago. In almost 3 years it’ll be 10 years ago. (It’s gonna be 2025 soon so 3 years it’ll be 2028)
@@YODAA.303 Yea he’s one of the biggest victims of recency criticism. A lot of people forgot just how nasty he was before he aged, hate the fact dat it gets underrated just cuz he was never on Messi’s level dribbling wise and he became more of a poacher in recent years
Missing chances happens to everyone relatively randomly. Oftentimes whether we think a player is ‘clutch’ or a ‘choker’ could just be down to whether the ball took a bobble or the sun was in their eyes in a key moment.
Robben is seen to most people as the greatest winger of this time, greater than hazard bale and salah due to his nigh unstoppable run between 2012 to 2014. If they ever make a movie about yhe Spanish dominance of football in 21st century, Robben would be the final boss that would pop out at the end of the movie. For a lot of people, the 7-0 defeat pf Barcelona and 5-1 to spain, both orchestrated heavily by Robben, are the moments where it was collectively acknowledged that the golden Spanish midfield is not invincible. Also, I feel like you're wayy understating just how lethal Robben was in the 2014 world cup. He played soo undisputedly well that at the time fans genuinely disputed Messi's potm award. Robben even set an amazing record: most number of Man of the match in a single world cup (5) which was broken by Messi himself in 2022. And since the world cup is the biggest stage of football for most football fans around the globe, Robben doing that in 2014 earned him the good will over the likes of hazard and salah, who never did that
Judging Salah on WC is kinda dumb. He's Egyptian. Egypt don't go far in the WC. Hell at times they don't even qualify. Best comparison is UCL. At Roma, they did a remontada vs Barca and he lit up Serie A. When he got injured in the final, Liverpool stopped clicking but in the 2019 final: which he played the full 90, he scored. He carried that form onto the next year and they won the league that year. 21/22 they could have won a quadruple but got one upped by City in the league on the last day and lost the UCL to Madrid. So yeah. Salah's better considering Robben played in La Liga vs Prime Messi and was meh.
Salah plays for egypt. Idk what this narrative is but Robben was known as one trick pony and big game choker before that run. Salah is miles clear of any winger in this generation not named Messi
@PhrygianTurkRobben of 09/10 is better than any version of Salah, although the rest can be argued. Go watch him that season, I don't care for one trick stuff, Messi does one trick it always worked, at least most of the time.
I am a Bayern Fan and grew up watching their CL games. I can assure you that Robben‘s best individual season was the 09/10 season where Bayern barely lost the triple to inter Milan. He was crazy, constantly scoring amazing solo goals, long range shots, and Bayern were only in the final becasue of him. He scored against fiorentina one of the best CL goals ever and then again against ManU his famous goal, and against Lyon of course again. Then 10/11 and 11/12 were the seasons where he flopped in clutch moments (he was still mostly brilliant though when playing), and from 12/13 onwards he was more consistent and less selfish, however he wasn’t as individually brilliant as in 09/10. I think you should have talked about it, because you make it sound like he didn’t have a great season before the CL win.
Haaland is soon becoming an example of this. People say he's nothing more than a poacher and tap in merchant, yet they forget that pep's tactics force him to do that. Even as a "talentless" goal poacher, that he has a treble, 2 PL Golden Boots and possible third this season goes to show jow good he is. I feel like he's hated because of his club and his recent "Stay humble,eh" quote. Even Mbappe is facing this. People call him a French farmer yet he played in a Top 5 European league and was bagging goals anyhow. Ligue 1 being a farmers league does not mean the cluba are shit. It simply means PSG is too good when compared to the competition
nah he is 1 dimensional regardless of system and ligue 1 is a farmers league because their teams don't do well in European competition it has nothing to do with PSG being too good the other clubs are garbage
Idk why I expected some Salah statement here. Salah is by far and away better than robben. At any stage of his career. And I own several Netherlands jerseys.
I feel like the only time Curry really choked was 2016. And it's so unlucky on a celestial level lmaooooooo. It really sucks man cuz he's never really choked in his career except the season he had the greatest MVP campaign of all time. Life is unlucky at times man
Hazard is the best example of it a lot of people just forget he was the face of the league for a good 5 years if not more there's a reason Madrid bought him now people will look you dead in the Eyes and say he's nowhere near Salah and it's disrespectful to compare them
In terms of longevity, although I'm an Arsenal fan it's Salah, I mean in Hazard's best season he wasn't astronomically better he was on stats just two G/A ahead of Salah and Sanchez and till date Salah is still carrying Liverpool (70% of their goals are from him)
@@alial-khalili9232 Hazard's peak was 6 years max, Salah is now in his 8th season and he's not slowing down anytime soon. And let's not even talk about stats, because Hazard cannot compete in that regard
@@lastWilla I actually just made one earlier today, I had a personal one to just browse on but I wanted to start actually postin stuff when I’m too busy to make videos The account is the same name, @mandafrombk x.com/mandafrombk?s=21
I'm a city fan, but Arsenal get hatewatched. They literally came second two seasons in a row. I understand some fans are delusional but if u watch Manda's content he is for sure not. Recently without odegaard they play much worse. Tbh i dont think hes as good as people give on, lacking in big moments and not having that game deciding factor, however if u watch him, he is one of the best technical players in the prem, and gives amazing creative output.
I think both Robben and Salah are selfish players that tend to choke more than half of the time. They both are very selfish, both had flops in champions league finals, both are fast paced dribbles who seem to shoot only. Not creative play makers. Both are mid aesthetically speaking. Both had good teams and could have won more trophies. Especially the champions league and international. Honestly I would not have these two in my team.
@@luyandamakhanya5065 yes I do and he tends to receive the ball dribble and shoot. A lot of times he has teammates open but off course he does not pass it. And when I mean creative play maker I mean players like Musiala, Hazard, Messi, Wrizt, Vinicius, Messi, Kaka, Iniesta and many more, Ozil, Silva. They both are not even close to those kind of players. i don't care about their stats I am looking at it purely from a Football skill, tecnhince, intelligence pov.
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Mesut Ozil... He was considered to be the best CAM while playing for Real Madrid. At Arsenal he played exactly the same way and everyone said he was a lazy luxury player
Was more athletic at Madrid... couldn't be bothered at times though at the Emirates.
The arsenal player I hated to see at liverpool the most. Absolutely rediculous. Class with every touch
Not so black and white. I'm an Arsenal supporter, and I watched every game he played with us. People have argued about since 2014. He started well enough and had one amazing season and then his form tanked. Always was hot and cold - 'On his day, blah, blah, blah'. It was said Wenger would even let him pick his battles, Aaron Ramsey made a joke about it at one point. People like guys like him so much that they just don't want to accept that he simply wasn't great anymore.
When City defeated us 3-1 some years back, KDB said they knew it was like playing against 7 men when they had the ball in our half because the guys up top (Aubemeyang, Lacazette and Ozil) would not do anything defensively. Years before that Thomas Muller alluded to it when Bayern defeated us in the CL, and their chairman straight out called him out (Uli Hoeness). Every team and manager knew this about him and took advantage of it. Usually, I find it's non supporters saying he was this perfect player for us, but that's because they didn't actually watch him play, week in week out for 90 minutes.
Paul Pogba at Manchester United too, at Juve he was top 5 midfielder in the world, they made it seem as he was an overrated scrub
@@Prime1Wunna at United and ever since, Pogba really was an overrated scrub tho.. he only performed in NT because Kante
Yo honestly, online Football conversations are typically just bias or just brain dead, very few gems
This may be an illusion, but I feel like if we look back 10/15 years ago, football blessed us way more with amazing wingers. They were so talented that they could offer us regularly "One show man" appearances. Alexis Sanchez, Di Maria, Neymar , Douglas Costa, Robben, Ribery, Hazard, Dybala, Shaqiri, Bale, Reus... Same for the striker position and dribbly Midfielders à la Modric, Pogba are also pretty rare. As well as metronome players à la Kroos, Xabi Alonso, ...
I agree but at the same time we are in the middle of a switch between generations. I think this next upcoming generation starting from like 03 will bless us. Imagine in like 5-10 years when we will have prime jude, wirtz, musiala, yamal, estevao, guler etc.
I’m getting into soccer and I just love the overall variety of the sport there’s so much great players I’ve haven’t even heard of and it’s incredible
Exactly! I totally stopped watching football pundits and youtubers who give their opinion which is just them jumping on the bandwagon of the most extreme opinion that everybody agrees with. Seriously, you're one of the only football youtubers I watch because you understand this problem with football punditry and are fair in your own judgements.
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People always gonna hate. If you have good stats they'll talk about ascetics, if your fun to watch they'll talk about stats, if you carry a bad team they'll talk about trophies, if you play for a good club you get "carried". Fact of the matter theres no pleasing people.
I think both Robben and Salah are selfish players that tend to choke more than half of the time. They both are very selfish, both had flops in champions league finals, both are fast paced dribbles who seem to shoot only. Not creative play makers. Both are mid aesthetically speaking. Both had good teams and could have won more trophies. Especially the champions league and international. Honestly I would not have these two in my team.
Hazard is the biggest example of this. Everyone forget that Hazard was probably the best player in the league when he was playing , then he moved to Madrid and the injuries caught finally caught up to his body and basically retired in 2020 and everyone now views him as a lazy bum, just pains me to see as a Chelsea fan
I don't know about this one usually I see people make a clear distinction about his career before Madrid.
He is a lazy bum, he got injured at the age of 28 and decided he didn’t wanna recover.
5 whole years, if he wasn’t lazy he could’ve been doing what Messi was doing at 33.
Also he’s always been a lazy bum, his teammates keep on saying he basically never trained and just did well in games. Well that lazy bum didn’t train, his body caught up to him and he couldn’t put the work in to recover.
This isn’t just a hazard thing, there’s other players in other sports who didn’t take care of their body and left the top level much earlier than they should’ve. Dwight Howard is one of them, ate like shit, was pretty good but in his later years his body suffered, however instead of his sitting down and giving up he did change himself and got on a better diet and started taking care of his body.
Messi was injury prone in the beginning of his career, and actually that same injury that was holding him back in his early years is finally catching up to him at the age of 37. But he worked hard, he fixed his diet and started training more, I mean it’s well known and there’s videos of Messi puking during games, his diet was bad, he had a reoccurring injury, but guess what? His longevity is one of the things he’s known for now, he prolonged his career way longer than most players and at a high level too.
Hazard, is talented, he was one of the best prem players for a couple of years. But is he a lazy bum who retired at the age of 28? Yeah. He didn’t even try to fix himself, and people say: “oh well the pandemic or something, and he couldn’t get proper care” no that’s not what happened, he joined Real Madrid in 2018, he got injured in preseason and basically never recovered, two years before the pandemic.
So in conclusion, was hazard a good player in his prime? Yeah. But is hazard a lazy bum? Yes, and there’s videos of his former teammates saying so. And him not being still good or even playing by 33 is a major factor as to why people consider him a lazy bum. I mean 2018 was so long ago. In almost 3 years it’ll be 10 years ago. (It’s gonna be 2025 soon so 3 years it’ll be 2028)
Ronaldo never being a good dribbler.
Omg 😭
@@YODAA.303 Yea he’s one of the biggest victims of recency criticism. A lot of people forgot just how nasty he was before he aged, hate the fact dat it gets underrated just cuz he was never on Messi’s level dribbling wise and he became more of a poacher in recent years
@YODAA.303 Ronaldo in midfield for Man Utd pre 2007 was some of the most unstoppable dribbling I've ever seen
Not just that, people genuinely thinking he has no ability at all . People nowadays think he is just a Henderson that worked hard or something
@@mandafrombk ong even even rodri said Ronaldo is talentless
@@YODAA.303when your that good as Ronaldo people will find something to hate on you about
Robben is the best exampe of this
Nobody watches every football game so people will go with narratives even if theyre false it judt will happen I guess
Missing chances happens to everyone relatively randomly. Oftentimes whether we think a player is ‘clutch’ or a ‘choker’ could just be down to whether the ball took a bobble or the sun was in their eyes in a key moment.
Robben is seen to most people as the greatest winger of this time, greater than hazard bale and salah due to his nigh unstoppable run between 2012 to 2014.
If they ever make a movie about yhe Spanish dominance of football in 21st century, Robben would be the final boss that would pop out at the end of the movie. For a lot of people, the 7-0 defeat pf Barcelona and 5-1 to spain, both orchestrated heavily by Robben, are the moments where it was collectively acknowledged that the golden Spanish midfield is not invincible.
Also, I feel like you're wayy understating just how lethal Robben was in the 2014 world cup. He played soo undisputedly well that at the time fans genuinely disputed Messi's potm award. Robben even set an amazing record: most number of Man of the match in a single world cup (5) which was broken by Messi himself in 2022. And since the world cup is the biggest stage of football for most football fans around the globe, Robben doing that in 2014 earned him the good will over the likes of hazard and salah, who never did that
Judging Salah on WC is kinda dumb. He's Egyptian. Egypt don't go far in the WC. Hell at times they don't even qualify. Best comparison is UCL. At Roma, they did a remontada vs Barca and he lit up Serie A. When he got injured in the final, Liverpool stopped clicking but in the 2019 final: which he played the full 90, he scored. He carried that form onto the next year and they won the league that year. 21/22 they could have won a quadruple but got one upped by City in the league on the last day and lost the UCL to Madrid. So yeah. Salah's better considering Robben played in La Liga vs Prime Messi and was meh.
Salah plays for egypt. Idk what this narrative is but Robben was known as one trick pony and big game choker before that run. Salah is miles clear of any winger in this generation not named Messi
@PhrygianTurkRobben of 09/10 is better than any version of Salah, although the rest can be argued.
Go watch him that season, I don't care for one trick stuff, Messi does one trick it always worked, at least most of the time.
@@shahsadsaadu5817 @Don-Royall Salah 2018 is miles better. One did it in the much better league btw.
I am a Bayern Fan and grew up watching their CL games. I can assure you that Robben‘s best individual season was the 09/10 season where Bayern barely lost the triple to inter Milan. He was crazy, constantly scoring amazing solo goals, long range shots, and Bayern were only in the final becasue of him. He scored against fiorentina one of the best CL goals ever and then again against ManU his famous goal, and against Lyon of course again. Then 10/11 and 11/12 were the seasons where he flopped in clutch moments (he was still mostly brilliant though when playing), and from 12/13 onwards he was more consistent and less selfish, however he wasn’t as individually brilliant as in 09/10. I think you should have talked about it, because you make it sound like he didn’t have a great season before the CL win.
Illmaooo hookhead ahh robben
I clicked on this video expecting u to talk about salah considering he’s on thumbnail, i got baited
Lmaooooooooooo
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Haaland is soon becoming an example of this. People say he's nothing more than a poacher and tap in merchant, yet they forget that pep's tactics force him to do that. Even as a "talentless" goal poacher, that he has a treble, 2 PL Golden Boots and possible third this season goes to show jow good he is. I feel like he's hated because of his club and his recent "Stay humble,eh" quote.
Even Mbappe is facing this. People call him a French farmer yet he played in a Top 5 European league and was bagging goals anyhow. Ligue 1 being a farmers league does not mean the cluba are shit. It simply means PSG is too good when compared to the competition
nah he is 1 dimensional regardless of system
and ligue 1 is a farmers league because their teams don't do well in European competition it has nothing to do with PSG being too good
the other clubs are garbage
@@shawnradke Brest and Lille are both currently top 8 in the champions league above many european power houses.
@@shawnradkethat’s a lie
Idk why I expected some Salah statement here. Salah is by far and away better than robben. At any stage of his career. And I own several Netherlands jerseys.
in terms of Goals and Assists maybe
but in his Prime Robben was a menace
Bro, the months where Maguire is going without a mistake are his holidays and injury stints 😂
Great vid
same thing happrened to steph curry after 31
I feel like the only time Curry really choked was 2016. And it's so unlucky on a celestial level lmaooooooo. It really sucks man cuz he's never really choked in his career except the season he had the greatest MVP campaign of all time. Life is unlucky at times man
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Hazard is the best example of it a lot of people just forget he was the face of the league for a good 5 years if not more there's a reason Madrid bought him now people will look you dead in the Eyes and say he's nowhere near Salah and it's disrespectful to compare them
In terms of longevity, although I'm an Arsenal fan it's Salah, I mean in Hazard's best season he wasn't astronomically better he was on stats just two G/A ahead of Salah and Sanchez and till date Salah is still carrying Liverpool (70% of their goals are from him)
@@davidmoh175wdym on longevity it’s salah? Hazard was one of the best players itw from 2012-2019? They just peaked at different ages
@@alial-khalili9232 Hazard's peak was 6 years max, Salah is now in his 8th season and he's not slowing down anytime soon. And let's not even talk about stats, because Hazard cannot compete in that regard
great vid!
What’s your twitter twin
@@lastWilla I actually just made one earlier today, I had a personal one to just browse on but I wanted to start actually postin stuff when I’m too busy to make videos
The account is the same name, @mandafrombk
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Robin must have hated Molly Pynton.
Arsenal still hasn't won a Champions League
so irrelevant bro, im a city fan but ur comment has nothing to do with the video.
Odegaard was never good…he’s just the best of a bad bunch
I'm a city fan, but Arsenal get hatewatched. They literally came second two seasons in a row. I understand some fans are delusional but if u watch Manda's content he is for sure not. Recently without odegaard they play much worse. Tbh i dont think hes as good as people give on, lacking in big moments and not having that game deciding factor, however if u watch him, he is one of the best technical players in the prem, and gives amazing creative output.
I’m a big Arsenal hater but honestly that guy is really great.
I think both Robben and Salah are selfish players that tend to choke more than half of the time. They both are very selfish, both had flops in champions league finals, both are fast paced dribbles who seem to shoot only. Not creative play makers. Both are mid aesthetically speaking. Both had good teams and could have won more trophies. Especially the champions league and international. Honestly I would not have these two in my team.
salah not a creative playmaker?? do you even watch salah?
@@luyandamakhanya5065 yes I do and he tends to receive the ball dribble and shoot. A lot of times he has teammates open but off course he does not pass it. And when I mean creative play maker I mean players like Musiala, Hazard, Messi, Wrizt, Vinicius, Messi, Kaka, Iniesta and many more, Ozil, Silva. They both are not even close to those kind of players. i don't care about their stats I am looking at it purely from a Football skill, tecnhince, intelligence pov.
@@luyandamakhanya5065 and don't act like a simple cross is a creative skill. I am talking about passes that are creative, difficult and precise.
Mid aesthetically? Robben was the personification of elegance when it came to dribbling.