duran quit because he was getting beat. no fighter should ever quit like that. but everyone makes mistakes sometimes and he paid for that night. he made up for that and went on to have a great career. he is still one of the best of his era and no one can doubt his warrior heart, that was just his bad night.
They forced Duran into a immediate rematch, had nothing to do with sugar ray, he wanted Duran next but it could have been 8 months later. Duran was enjoying his victory to much, had to drop a lot of weight and was forced to the early rematch, Ray handled the situation through the years with class with everything he went through. Duran is still one of the greats, it's a shame this happened and forever will be linked to his career. If Duran would have been 100% Ray might have still out boxed Duran but you never know, one thing is for certain, he would have never quit the fight and would have gave it his all! I respect both legends and they would have mopped the floor with the boxers we have today!
I'm so happy watching this after AJ's performance in the second Ruiz bout. Now I know he'll go down as one of the greatest. Shit look at the hate Leonard got and he made the guy say "NO MORE!" but still got called a coward and a bum. I guess Loma is a bum too, fuck it well let's throw Ali in there as a bum also, just for all the people who should be watching UFC or even the movie 'BloodSport'! Because obviously boxing (the art of hit and not getting hit) isn't for you. Thanks guys, it's really comforting to know that the haters will have no say whatsoever in the greatness of fighter, cheers.
If you are old enough to actually remember this and you know boxing, you will understand that both fights were won from the neck up. In Montreal, Duran capitalized on Leonard's youthful foolish pride and that edge manifested in the ring. In the rematch, Leonard capitalized on Duran's gluttonous ways and the 8M payday carrot, which was crazy money for a non heavyweight at the time, gave Duran an offer he couldn't refuse (he only made 1.5M) in the first fight. Difference? Leonard took his lesson like a man. In the first half of fight 1, Duran was beating the brakes off Leonard. Instead of quitting like he's admitted to considering, he sucked it up, and almost still won. Watch the first fight and tell me who was fresher at end. I love Duran but there's no fucking excuse for the way he quit.
bandamardu Duran said before the fight he was in better condition than the first fight and yet he quit. Nothing was wrong with Duran. Duran`s trainer said in the same documentary nothing was wrong with Duran he just knew he was goint to get beat by leonard and quit. Duran told his trainer to make up some excuse for why he the new welterweight champion QUIT in the middle of hisfirst defence.. The date means nothing Duran was ready he just wasnt good enough.
yeah thats how i feel about him. he, or any other fighter, should have never quit but he's still a warrior. and i still love going back and watching his fights, dude was a beast who fought for like 4 decades
bandamardu Duran was simply a brawling bully. At lightweight he brought his fights into a brawl knowing he had a harder punch than everyone else. When he fought leonard in the first fight he was lucky that leonard brawled not boxed and lucky to get a very close decision considering the fight was even until the final round and he hardly threw a punch in it. Leonard had faster hands, feet, combinations than Duran, better lateral movement, versatility and beat better opposition.
bandamardu's right....durran never looked hurt although he took so much on his chin like SRL.... sugar leonard crumbled early in 1st fight and got hurt and he later confessed in the interview 'bandamardu' cited and i quote "every punch that he hit me with and i'm not exageratting, every punch he hit me with to the body to the hips felt like bricks, stones, rocks...he knocked my teeth back my first 3-4 teeth he knocked em back" so if that's not what's hurt then wonder what is.
its stupid how ppl r acting like duran always quitted fights when he mangaged to get 103 wins from 119 fights by the end his career, almost triple that of sugar ray.
@bandamardu You only admit the part of the documentary that fits your story. Not the part where Leonard said plan 2 was hit move and humiliate. A 3rd match with Duran who quit in the middle of a title fight was not bankable. The brutal fact that you cannot escape from is that Duran was fit and healthy was expecting a brawl got a boxing lesson instead and to save face ....QUIT.
My argument is simple: Esteban De Jesus, defeat Duran in his prime, and Duran knew he lost that fight legally and he didn´t quit, he accept it and continue challenging him a couple of times. This is becuase De Jesus fight him hard and that's the fight, an opponent must do. But when a fighter doesnt want a fight hard and he is running like a chicken (leonard) he is mocking other fighter ability. Ray Leonard yes he mocked Duran, but the demonstration wasn't a fight. It was a show
Imagine the promotional failure if Duran was going to start the mocking also. In my opinion you demonstrate that you win an opponent, only through hard fight. Now what happened here, if LEONARD IS NO COWARD, WHY THEN HE DIDN'T ACCEPT ANOTHER REMATCH ASAP? He claimed that the press was going destroy it. sugar leonard knew that if he was to fight again with Duran ASAP he knew that he cannot come with the same strategy, he will have to fight HARD.
@SirHappyThe1st Yep, don't tell his fans in here that though! They will all deny it! They are probably like I said from his country or spanish! I hate to say that but his fans are dedicated to him as the best ever, which he was not.
bandamardu Leonard went from welterweight to light heavyweight champ. Won more titles. Fought better opposition. Had a classier boxing style. Duran was still in his prime when Leonard outclassed him second time round. Many people throught the 'brawl in montreol' (1st fight) was won by leonard or was a draw even though leonard stopped boxing and fought the 'street fight' that favoured Duran.. All the top fighters of his era beat Duran. But leonard beat all the top fighters of his
bandamardu I have watched the documentary from start to finish. There were months in between the fights. Duran was ready. I remember 1980 ( i`m old enough) Duran was full of confidence and bravery before the fight. He taunted leonard. But regretted it later. Duran was fighting at 140 easily from 1978 onwards. He beat palmino and was already a bona fida welterweight so stop making excuses. Duran was simply outclassed by a quicker more talented boxer. hearns, benitez did same 2 him
a coward? this man was viciously KO'd by Hearns if he had quit after the beating he was taking in the 1st rd., nobody would of blamed him, but he went out on his shield like a true a warrior. Or how about his war with Barkley at the age of 37? the man who conquered Hearns twice. Duran simply quit without being hurt, could of very possibly been a fix too.
Duran was sick during this fight due to having to lose a lot of weight. If you rreally watch this fight, Roberto was holding his own and couldnt move as well as the first fight where he set a hellacious pace. Look at their careers, both were unbelievable. Roberto was a 130 lb champ in his prime and ended up as an older fighter beating Davey Moore and Blade Barkley at much higher weights (168). Leonard won some great matches as well.
@SirHappyThe1st no it just validates the point that he wasnt the same fighter and he couldnt continue you are strange even though leonards admits his tactics on how he planned that rematch when duran asked for a 3rd rematch immediately leonard said no so your answers are there he got a boxing lesson tho he wasnt even hurt hearns beat duran down that was brutal but shit happens same way camacho took out leonard its how the cookie crumbles
thought i'd throw this in guys,..i have the pictures of durans cornerman holding an icebag to his stomach during the fight,..giving credence to his claims of cramps,..but of course i'm sure there was more to that such as losing a gasgit and bein frustrated,..the pics were actually in the issue of sports illustrated, and i saved them for a scrapbook on duran i made in the eighties.
Leonard beat not just fought better oppositon. Duran was lucky to get the decision in the 1st fight thats all. ( Montreol canadians didnt tend to like flashy americans like Leonard).
If ever a man was looking for excuses, it was this interview. Not to mention Duran fought on and on past his day which he said he would not do. I'm sure Duran regrets that emotional moment in which he embarrassed himself. The only thing that has happened in boxing that became worse that him quiting that fight ,.. was Tyson biting off Holyfield's ear twice. Two of the lowest points of the boxing game. Durand fell to a moment. Tyson was simply a wacko incapable of being a class act at all.
bandamardu Leonard knew Duran being ill disciplined balloons between fights. Duran did this throughout his whole career. Nothing new here. You forgot the rest of the documentary where Duran`s trainer says there was NOTHING wrong with Duran during the 2nd fight when he just QUIT. Duran was inside the weight so whats the problem? The same documentary leonard says he plans to make duran look stupid by using his superior boxing skills. Which he did very successfully.
Just read several comments about sugar ray being less than a true champion for catching Duran out of shape for the second fight. As a professional in any sport, your health, Your conditioning, an your body, is your first priority to enable yourself to compete an be competitive at the highest level of competition. If Duran had as much as 1% un certainly of his health an conditioning ...he should not have fought
bandamardu Teeth being rocked back and knocked out is so very different. Duran looked outclassed he was expecting another brawl but instead he got a boxing lesson. So explain why a new world champion boxer quit in the middle of a bout when even according to you he was not bing hurt? Makes it even worse. Duran not being hurt but still quitting lol
duran had 106 pro fights lost 16. that means he won 90 pro fights. hagler only lost once and i believe never knocked down. leonard one of the greatest and so is hearns. but what makes them great is that they all fought each other at there peaks not afraid to trade punches. now days good boxer void each other till the time right £$ Duran is not racist he was bully. his first lost was to a black porto rican. this guy at a later date died of aids but who was there hugging him calling him champ.
sugar ray didnt want to fight duran in this time because he knew roberto will train even harder and beat him. . . thats why he uses the excuse about the press. . . leonard its intelligent but a coward he even was in cocaine
Tyson didn't model himself after Durran and his indiscipline cannot be solely attributed to his following of someone. He was brought up in that manner his upbringing was rough, his father had walked out.. he admitted to having getting into street fights and coming home with clothes that he didn't pay for. He sed he never experienced love until he met Cus D'Amato. He was always an angry kid with no brain literally. No wonder he bit cheat Holyfield in frustration and also got robbed by Don King.
bandamardu Duran won his first title against buchanan by punching him below the belt. The second over leonard when he threw few punches in the dying rounds of a close fight. His third over davey moore when he deliberately thumbed him in the eye and blinded him. ( Later he tried to do the same to Hagler). Fourth over iran barkley was a sympathy vote,( Though i was routing for duran in that one). No offence to Duran but he was NEVER in the same class as Sugar Ray Leonard.
@SirHappyThe1st duran wasnt in his prime in the 2nd fight watch the documentary leonard even admitted that he wanted to get the rematch as soon as duran was off training so he could exploit his rest don king always being selfish made that fight happen even after listening to duran ask for extension refused n made the fight so how was he in shape? by the way the first fight had duran won clean look at leonards face he looked dejected and deflated duran knew he had won
@bandamardu hahahha, you guys talk about Duran like if he was in his prime here. Remember he started boxing professionally in Feb '68. Forward to the Hearns fight, it was already 15 years in boxing and for the Hagler 14. The first Leonard fight 12. I think this is unequaled since Leonard was at his best ever. Leonard, Hearns, Hagler fall short to Duran. That is why Duran is mentioned in the same sentence as Robinson and Armstrong.
@Dmidgette1 I would guarantee you they are all from his country who say that there......... Never doubt that, they make excuses for their hero from their country.
@rickyp4ever LMAO you and your excuses. Fact he quit and lost. Another fact he lost twice to SRL. So what's the excuse for the second ass whipping. Plus why are you tripping over a fight that happened 30 years ago it's patheic
@SirHappyThe1st watch the documentary properly properly he said before to don king he wasnt going to make weight don king pressured him to take the fight if u cant see that he wasnt the same fighter then you must not be watching it right he went up 2 weight classes n did the business leonard was a good boxer but he wasnt like duran both were good a head to head prime showed duran to be the better of the two remember he started as a lightweight n didnt have the olympic training leonard did
@SirHappyThe1st come off it the fight was not bankable speaks volumes as to what leonards view or your view of success is so money is key to show success duran fought de jesus 3 times to prove he was the better man leonard didnt even wana entertain a rematch against hagler so its in his nature to value the green which is why he is respected but not idolised like duran cos even tyson dedicated fights to him
No, you mean they have class and self control two things that made them GREAT... the very things athletes do not posses today which makes them nowhere near great just "good" and until they start acting like real men (like these two were) instead of acting like little boys in men bodies Then they NEVER WILL BE "great" or the "greatest" like these two were, are and always will be
They thruth Duran quit because he was force to fight when he was not ready, and by the fact that after beating SRL on the 1st fight and showing the wold who was a better boxer. All SRL's wishes were meet for the 2nd fight, like a bigger ring and gloves, (bigger gloves bigger ring big edge to SRL and Duran out of shape, Done Deal! SRL did not have the balls and the skills to beat Duran.
thats crazy. its a shame duran let himself go between fights, but he still showed what a great figthter he was even fighting at the highest level into his 40s, and most of his career fighting bigger guys, and beating bigger guys.
@bandamardu Not bankable means no would would pay to see another fight with a man who gave up in the middle of a Title fight where he was the champion. Duran hearns hagler benitez never rematched with each other.......the only one of them who gave rematches was leonard. All 4 men easily beat Duran. Tyson modelled himself after Duran. A rough bad mannered uncouth animal who loved to bully in the ring could give it but not take it. SRL is idolised
@rickyp4ever Your boy said he was in the best shape of his life before this fight and quit midway through the fight! What happened? Frustrated he could not be actual skill out there without a slugfest? Boxing is some skill as well you know (Mayweather etc.). Why did Duran or his promoter even agree to that fight? King is an idiot and all about money, Duran never should have had him in the first place IMO with his history. Duran did lose though, it's all history and he quit.
@MegaDarryl1960 Leonards a sissy? You must be high , Leonard exposed Duran as a fighter with no legs that fight. Duran was slow and Leonard embarrassed him into quitting in the ring. Tough guy Duran quit , ultimate win for Ray.
@rickyp4ever Why do people always make excuses for their favorite fighter. What was your excuse when Tommy Hearns knocked his ass out. What was your excuse when Marvin Hagler beat his ass. How bout when Wilfred Benittez beat him. Or when Kirkland Laing beat whip his ass. Sugar Ray Leonard out classed him and he quit plain and simple. Make all the excuses you want.
@ridewave444 come on leonard boasted after that he pressured don king who in turn pressured duran to make rematch as soon as possible duran tried to get the fight moved back in date but they never let him and was forced to fight of the fab four ray leonard was the one who was the most devious bottom line a lightweight moved up to welterweight and beat him
bandamardu Every elite fight that Duran fought beat him....Fact. Hagler, hearns, Benitez, Leonard all beat Duran with ease Duran is a glorified brawling bully famous for being an animal both inside and outside the ring. Never giving any of these fighters respect even after they whupped his ass. Duran had the audacity to ask for a rematch with leonard after quitting in the middle of a title fight when he was the champion.
bandamardu Excuses excuses excuses Explain how Duran could be fit in june 1980 for 15rounds (1st fight) and unfit 5 months later for a rematch? Explain why Duran had to explain in this very video to Howard Cosell why he said before the fight that he was fitter for this fight than for the first one? Explain how everyone at the time thought the 1st fight was so close the 15th round was the decider but yet duran threw hardly any punches and still got the decision?
@SirHappyThe1st well leonard admitted what i said in a interview he hardly threw any punches? he knocked some of leonards teeth out! LOL your basing your opinion on what your perceive but what im saying is fact cos they admitted these thing in interviews
@SirHappyThe1st beat better opposition? duran beat hagler he didnt need the wbc to make a random weight class for him you need to look at the bigger picture in the fights duran threw shots with intent through the ages more ppl praise duran then leonard due to his ability to fight leonard had a good style but he played on external factors like weight classes and biased judges to help in
@rubendrakkar Come on now man, come on now man he was being beaten by the man at his own fight and quit! He said he did not want to get knocked out by him that night and humiliated, and he knew in the end he would regardless.
Duran wasn't getting beat that bad, he was a head case in that paticular moment. Now against Hagler, Hearns ( in which Duran was stopped in the 2nd round) , Barkley, and Robbie Sims, he caught bigger bombs and didn't quit
I won't get into who was better from that time, all of them were great. Duran, Hagler, Hearns, Leonard and Benitez. They all fought each other except from Benitez-Hagler. They won some and lost some, Duran was the only one to beat Ray, all the others lost to him(IMO Hagler beat Ray). That's what boxing is missing today, the best fighting the best. Leonard retired rather than fighting Hagler and Hearns in a rematch, but other than that the five were great and deserve our respect...
@SirHappyThe1st its a fight m. ali opened up his gloves up to beat henry cooper roberto duran came up from lightweight and went to the top so what if he hit bucanan low floyd used his elbow against hatton alot this is tough arguement to decide tbut when both fighter met in there prime duran won
@chifuli1974 That is so true. I just don't like for someone to put down another boxer just because they favor one over the other. Yes they was all great.
@SirHappyThe1st no way come on look at the fights how many times was duran done over by judges if u score the fight from a neutral stand point duran beat camacho in there first fight but due to politics camacho had to win so the money could go into the leonard fight leonard knows it he has been gifted fights against hagler he didnt even hurt him he got ktfo by camacho duran was the first guy to take hagler 15 rounds hearns was a fighter that duran took lightly and he paid the price
@SirHappyThe1st did duran even look hurt in that fight? you say its a fact that duran is good boxer but leonard was better my lies wont work? watch?v=cvYhKBMx6ns after the fight and he planned the rematch as soon as duran was in rest mode watch the documentaries on youtube they show it on there where leonard admits it and also they show that duran wasnt going to make it and when you watch that video has any fighter spoke of leonard in that way that he had ko power?
@lcvd1 read all my posts i like duran in this fight it showed that tactics are employed by fighters to mess the game up for others. Duran tried to postpone the fight but leonard applied pressure on don king to make duran fight that day. For me i think that duran is one of the best boxers in the world out of the fab 4 he was the best for me leonard was the media darling like oscar de la hoya
@d4c3a1 Paliza? perdía por dos puntos ..Duran jamás se retiraría por una "paliza" simplemente el sabía que no estaba preparado para esa pelea. Paliza? ciego!
@Solowizard still 8th of all time ...and actually helps people ..so I think he deserves a little more respect. but of course you don't think so because you only looked at his failures to devalue his status as one of the greatest lightweights in the history of boxing.
@bandamardu stop making fuckin excuses leonard took his 1st defeat like a man went away revised his tactics and came back and totally embarrassed duran in new orleans ! there was a rematch clause in the contract and duran new this but made excuses that he was not in shape yet he weighed the same as he did in the 1st fight !! paid proffesionals know the score !! he got outboxed period !!
Yeah you named some good ones no doubt about it...are they a Marvin Hagler, Roberto Duran, Ray Leonard or a Thomas Hearns? No not even close. In fact Marvin Hagler would have systematically dismantled ever fighter you just named there. Are they "good" ...yes... are they going to be considered some of the "greatest" ever ...no De La Hoya isnt from your crew anyhow but yes he WAS great. The others as compared to the fighters Ive named? No brother sorry they dont compare, unfortunately
@SirHappyThe1st all 4 men easily beat duran? you are biased as hell hearns beat duran hands down that was durans fault should have taken him more serious he was the first man to take hagler 15 rounds and he beat leonard coming up from lightweight tyson won the title by 21 similar to duran so what if he was bad mannered it what goes on in the ring that counts no points for being a nice person
My friend you're sadly mistaken that isnt "elitist" talk that is simply FACT. The day the "new generation" grows up. Is the day we will see "Great" fighters again ie. thomas hearns or marvin hagler etc. etc. Unfortunately your crew is too selfish, childish and disloyal. So you all stay in the "decent" category. None of your crew fires me up while watching them fight like these two men did. Because none of your crew displays traits of "real men". Real men make "GREAT" fighters...Respect
If all u so called experts in the comments think Ray was a better fighter then let me ask u this. Why does the ring mag espn and basically anybodies opinion that matters always rate Duran in the top 5 of all time?? Yes Ray was great but Duran was better!!!
@rickyp4ever Look I respect the hell outta Duran, but he quit and lost this fight here, thats all I am saying. Duran was not scared of anyone and faught the best and moved up to do so, one of the best fighters to ever fight bar none! Definitely the toughest along with Ali or Frazier. I am just wondering why you are still so upset over this fight here and argue in every thread about it? Roberto won that first fight and I figured you would be happy there?
@bertelliish Crazy! Duran was the better boxer of the 4, thats why ring magazine put him like the 5th better boxer of all time..you dont know NOTHING, NOTHING about boxing!
Seems like Duran was frustrated--felt humiliated--couldn't bear the blow to his narcissism.
duran quit because he was getting beat. no fighter should ever quit like that. but everyone makes mistakes sometimes and he paid for that night. he made up for that and went on to have a great career. he is still one of the best of his era and no one can doubt his warrior heart, that was just his bad night.
Duran had no game plan
Which pixel is Howard Cosell?
They forced Duran into a immediate rematch, had nothing to do with sugar ray, he wanted Duran next but it could have been 8 months later. Duran was enjoying his victory to much, had to drop a lot of weight and was forced to the early rematch, Ray handled the situation through the years with class with everything he went through. Duran is still one of the greats, it's a shame this happened and forever will be linked to his career. If Duran would have been 100% Ray might have still out boxed Duran but you never know, one thing is for certain, he would have never quit the fight and would have gave it his all! I respect both legends and they would have mopped the floor with the boxers we have today!
Prime example of boxing, execution, an strategy.. as apposed to brawling. He quit because he knew he could not out box sugar ray...
sugar ray was a bum, a coward and a clown
Duran was a quitter,a fat ass,drunk and what yell
@@michaeltrumph121 So the coward didn't quit, the bum won with a "No MASS!" and his Clowing/Showboating humiliated Duran...am I missing something!?
I'm so happy watching this after AJ's performance in the second Ruiz bout. Now I know he'll go down as one of the greatest. Shit look at the hate Leonard got and he made the guy say "NO MORE!" but still got called a coward and a bum. I guess Loma is a bum too, fuck it well let's throw Ali in there as a bum also, just for all the people who should be watching UFC or even the movie 'BloodSport'! Because obviously boxing (the art of hit and not getting hit) isn't for you. Thanks guys, it's really comforting to know that the haters will have no say whatsoever in the greatness of fighter, cheers.
If you are old enough to actually remember this and you know boxing, you will understand that both fights were won from the neck up. In Montreal, Duran capitalized on Leonard's youthful foolish pride and that edge manifested in the ring. In the rematch, Leonard capitalized on Duran's gluttonous ways and the 8M payday carrot, which was crazy money for a non heavyweight at the time, gave Duran an offer he couldn't refuse (he only made 1.5M) in the first fight. Difference? Leonard took his lesson like a man. In the first half of fight 1, Duran was beating the brakes off Leonard. Instead of quitting like he's admitted to considering, he sucked it up, and almost still won. Watch the first fight and tell me who was fresher at end. I love Duran but there's no fucking excuse for the way he quit.
bandamardu
Duran said before the fight he was in better condition than the first fight and yet he quit.
Nothing was wrong with Duran. Duran`s trainer said in the same documentary nothing was wrong with Duran he just knew he was goint to get beat by leonard and quit.
Duran told his trainer to make up some excuse for why he the new welterweight champion QUIT in the middle of hisfirst defence..
The date means nothing Duran was ready he just wasnt good enough.
yeah thats how i feel about him. he, or any other fighter, should have never quit but he's still a warrior. and i still love going back and watching his fights, dude was a beast who fought for like 4 decades
bandamardu
Duran was simply a brawling bully. At lightweight he brought his fights into a brawl knowing he had a harder punch than everyone else.
When he fought leonard in the first fight he was lucky that leonard brawled not boxed and lucky to get a very close decision considering the fight was even until the final round and he hardly threw a punch in it.
Leonard had faster hands, feet, combinations than Duran, better lateral movement, versatility and beat better opposition.
I can't believe someone here is labeling Duran a coward! If Duran is a coward then so are most MMA fighters because they quit all the time.
LOL!- Duran was so full of shit, but of course he wouldn't say Ray kicked his ass, he'd rather make excuses. LOL!
Then just say he didn't know what to do!!!how can anybody with any brains call Roberto Duran a coward!!!!!
What a pair of gentlemen, a real insight into those times, Thanks for enlightening me!
bandamardu's right....durran never looked hurt although he took so much on his chin like SRL.... sugar leonard crumbled early in 1st fight and got hurt and he later confessed in the interview 'bandamardu' cited and i quote "every punch that he hit me with and i'm not exageratting, every punch he hit me with to the body to the hips felt like bricks, stones, rocks...he knocked my teeth back my first 3-4 teeth he knocked em back" so if that's not what's hurt then wonder what is.
juan manuel dinamita marquez
its stupid how ppl r acting like duran always quitted fights when he mangaged to get 103 wins from 119 fights by the end his career, almost triple that of sugar ray.
he deffinetly was a beast. most of his career he was fighting bigger guys aswel. one hell of a fighter
dont u just miss that howards voice.
@bandamardu
You only admit the part of the documentary that fits your story. Not the part where Leonard said plan 2 was hit move and humiliate.
A 3rd match with Duran who quit in the middle of a title fight was not bankable.
The brutal fact that you cannot escape from is that Duran was fit and healthy was expecting a brawl got a boxing lesson instead and to save face ....QUIT.
My argument is simple: Esteban De Jesus, defeat Duran in his prime, and Duran knew he lost that fight legally and he didn´t quit, he accept it and continue challenging him a couple of times. This is becuase De Jesus fight him hard and that's the fight, an opponent must do.
But when a fighter doesnt want a fight hard and he is running like a chicken (leonard) he is mocking other fighter ability. Ray Leonard yes he mocked Duran, but the demonstration wasn't a fight. It was a show
Howard Cosell was such a fabolous reporter, the questions he asks the two ring legends were exactly the ones that needed to be asked.
floyd mayweather doesnt belong to hall famer section of duran,hearns,hagler,leonard
Imagine the promotional failure if Duran was going to start the mocking also. In my opinion you demonstrate that you win an opponent, only through hard fight. Now what happened here, if LEONARD IS NO COWARD, WHY THEN HE DIDN'T ACCEPT ANOTHER REMATCH ASAP? He claimed that the press was going destroy it. sugar leonard knew that if he was to fight again with Duran ASAP he knew that he cannot come with the same strategy, he will have to fight HARD.
@SirHappyThe1st Yep, don't tell his fans in here that though! They will all deny it! They are probably like I said from his country or spanish! I hate to say that but his fans are dedicated to him as the best ever, which he was not.
@rubendrakkar who was the one that quit and leonard is the coward. man please you guys are crazy.
bandamardu
Leonard went from welterweight to light heavyweight champ. Won more titles. Fought better opposition. Had a classier boxing style.
Duran was still in his prime when Leonard outclassed him second time round.
Many people throught the 'brawl in montreol' (1st fight) was won by leonard or was a draw even though leonard stopped boxing and fought the 'street fight' that favoured Duran..
All the top fighters of his era beat Duran.
But leonard beat all the top fighters of his
bandamardu
I have watched the documentary from start to finish. There were months in between the fights. Duran was ready.
I remember 1980 ( i`m old enough) Duran was full of confidence and bravery before the fight. He taunted leonard. But regretted it later.
Duran was fighting at 140 easily from 1978 onwards. He beat palmino and was already a bona fida welterweight so stop making excuses.
Duran was simply outclassed by a quicker more talented boxer. hearns, benitez did same 2 him
a coward? this man was viciously KO'd by Hearns if he had quit after the beating he was taking in the 1st rd., nobody would of blamed him, but he went out on his shield like a true a warrior. Or how about his war with Barkley at the age of 37? the man who conquered Hearns twice. Duran simply quit without being hurt, could of very possibly been a fix too.
Duran was sick during this fight due to having to lose a lot of weight. If you rreally watch this fight, Roberto was holding his own and couldnt move as well as the first fight where he set a hellacious pace. Look at their careers, both were unbelievable. Roberto was a 130 lb champ in his prime and ended up as an older fighter beating Davey Moore and Blade Barkley at much higher weights (168). Leonard won some great matches as well.
@SirHappyThe1st
no it just validates the point that he wasnt the same fighter and he couldnt continue
you are strange even though leonards admits his tactics on how he planned that rematch
when duran asked for a 3rd rematch immediately leonard said no
so your answers are there
he got a boxing lesson tho he wasnt even hurt hearns beat duran down that was brutal but shit happens
same way camacho took out leonard its how the cookie crumbles
thought i'd throw this in guys,..i have the pictures of durans cornerman holding an icebag to his stomach during the fight,..giving credence to his claims of cramps,..but of course i'm sure there was more to that such as losing a gasgit and bein frustrated,..the pics were actually in the issue of sports illustrated, and i saved them for a scrapbook on duran i made in the eighties.
Leonard beat not just fought better oppositon.
Duran was lucky to get the decision in the 1st fight thats all. ( Montreol canadians didnt tend to like flashy americans like Leonard).
If ever a man was looking for excuses, it was this interview. Not to mention Duran fought on and on past his day which he said he would not do. I'm sure Duran regrets that emotional moment in which he embarrassed himself. The only thing that has happened in boxing that became worse that him quiting that fight ,.. was Tyson biting off Holyfield's ear twice.
Two of the lowest points of the boxing game.
Durand fell to a moment. Tyson was simply a wacko incapable of being a class act at all.
He prune be a cordwarly in that fight
bandamardu
Leonard knew Duran being ill disciplined balloons between fights. Duran did this throughout his whole career. Nothing new here.
You forgot the rest of the documentary where Duran`s trainer says there was NOTHING wrong with Duran during the 2nd fight when he just QUIT.
Duran was inside the weight so whats the problem?
The same documentary leonard says he plans to make duran look stupid by using his superior boxing skills. Which he did very successfully.
Just read several comments about sugar ray being less than a true champion for catching Duran out of shape for the second fight. As a professional in any sport, your health, Your conditioning, an your body, is your first priority to enable yourself to compete an be competitive at the highest level of competition. If Duran had as much as 1% un certainly of his health an conditioning ...he should not have fought
bandamardu
Teeth being rocked back and knocked out is so very different.
Duran looked outclassed he was expecting another brawl but instead he got a boxing lesson.
So explain why a new world champion boxer quit in the middle of a bout when even according to you he was not bing hurt?
Makes it even worse. Duran not being hurt but still quitting lol
duran had 106 pro fights lost 16. that means he won 90 pro fights. hagler only lost once and i believe never knocked down. leonard one of the greatest and so is hearns. but what makes them great is that they all fought each other at there peaks not afraid to trade punches. now days good boxer void each other till the time right £$
Duran is not racist he was bully. his first lost was to a black porto rican. this guy at a later date died of aids but who was there hugging him calling him champ.
sugar ray didnt want to fight duran in this time because he knew roberto will train even harder and beat him. . . thats why he uses the excuse about the press. . . leonard its intelligent but a coward he even was in cocaine
Tyson didn't model himself after Durran and his indiscipline cannot be solely attributed to his following of someone. He was brought up in that manner his upbringing was rough, his father had walked out.. he admitted to having getting into street fights and coming home with clothes that he didn't pay for. He sed he never experienced love until he met Cus D'Amato. He was always an angry kid with no brain literally. No wonder he bit cheat Holyfield in frustration and also got robbed by Don King.
bandamardu
Duran won his first title against buchanan by punching him below the belt.
The second over leonard when he threw few punches in the dying rounds of a close fight.
His third over davey moore when he deliberately thumbed him in the eye and blinded him. ( Later he tried to do the same to Hagler).
Fourth over iran barkley was a sympathy vote,( Though i was routing for duran in that one).
No offence to Duran but he was NEVER in the same class as Sugar Ray Leonard.
@SirHappyThe1st
duran wasnt in his prime in the 2nd fight watch the documentary leonard even admitted that he wanted to get the rematch as soon as duran was off training so he could exploit his rest don king always being selfish made that fight happen even after listening to duran ask for extension refused n made the fight
so how was he in shape?
by the way the first fight had duran won clean look at leonards face he looked dejected and deflated duran knew he had won
@bandamardu hahahha, you guys talk about Duran like if he was in his prime here. Remember he started boxing professionally in Feb '68. Forward to the Hearns fight, it was already 15 years in boxing and for the Hagler 14. The first Leonard fight 12. I think this is unequaled since Leonard was at his best ever. Leonard, Hearns, Hagler fall short to Duran. That is why Duran is mentioned in the same sentence as Robinson and Armstrong.
@Dmidgette1 I would guarantee you they are all from his country who say that there......... Never doubt that, they make excuses for their hero from their country.
@rickyp4ever LMAO you and your excuses. Fact he quit and lost. Another fact he lost twice to SRL. So what's the excuse for the second ass whipping. Plus why are you tripping over a fight that happened 30 years ago it's patheic
@SirHappyThe1st
watch the documentary properly properly he said before to don king he wasnt going to make weight don king pressured him to take the fight if u cant see that he wasnt the same fighter then you must not be watching it right he went up 2 weight classes n did the business
leonard was a good boxer but he wasnt like duran both were good a head to head prime showed duran to be the better of the two
remember he started as a lightweight n didnt have the olympic training leonard did
@SirHappyThe1st
come off it
the fight was not bankable
speaks volumes as to what leonards view or your view of success is so money is key to show success
duran fought de jesus 3 times to prove he was the better man
leonard didnt even wana entertain a rematch against hagler
so its in his nature to value the green which is why he is respected but not idolised like duran cos even tyson dedicated fights to him
No, you mean they have class and self control two things that made them GREAT...
the very things athletes do not posses today which makes them nowhere near great just "good"
and until they start acting like real men (like these two were) instead of acting like little boys in men bodies
Then they NEVER WILL BE "great" or the "greatest" like these two were, are and always will be
i have never seen duran bruised up. even when i he lost to hagler he didnt have any cuts or marks in he's face while hagler looked like a melon
They thruth Duran quit because he was force to fight when he was not ready, and by the fact that after beating SRL on the 1st fight and showing the wold who was a better boxer. All SRL's wishes were meet for the 2nd fight, like a bigger ring and gloves, (bigger gloves bigger ring big edge to SRL and Duran out of shape, Done Deal! SRL did not have the balls and the skills to beat Duran.
thats crazy. its a shame duran let himself go between fights, but he still showed what a great figthter he was even fighting at the highest level into his 40s, and most of his career fighting bigger guys, and beating bigger guys.
@bandamardu
Not bankable means no would would pay to see another fight with a man who gave up in the middle of a Title fight where he was the champion.
Duran hearns hagler benitez never rematched with each other.......the only one of them who gave rematches was leonard.
All 4 men easily beat Duran.
Tyson modelled himself after Duran. A rough bad mannered uncouth animal who loved to bully in the ring could give it but not take it.
SRL is idolised
@rickyp4ever Your boy said he was in the best shape of his life before this fight and quit midway through the fight! What happened? Frustrated he could not be actual skill out there without a slugfest? Boxing is some skill as well you know (Mayweather etc.).
Why did Duran or his promoter even agree to that fight? King is an idiot and all about money, Duran never should have had him in the first place IMO with his history. Duran did lose though, it's all history and he quit.
Leonard won plain and simple, he fought his fight this time and beat this dude, made him quit!!!!!!!!! Roberto just quit.
The press dismissed his victory over a fat over the hill duran, lol
@MegaDarryl1960 Leonards a sissy? You must be high , Leonard exposed Duran as a fighter with no legs that fight. Duran was slow and Leonard embarrassed him into quitting in the ring. Tough guy Duran quit , ultimate win for Ray.
@rickyp4ever Why do people always make excuses for their favorite fighter. What was your excuse when Tommy Hearns knocked his ass out. What was your excuse when Marvin Hagler beat his ass. How bout when Wilfred Benittez beat him. Or when Kirkland Laing beat whip his ass. Sugar Ray Leonard out classed him and he quit plain and simple. Make all the excuses you want.
@ridewave444
come on leonard boasted after that he pressured don king who in turn pressured duran to make rematch as soon as possible
duran tried to get the fight moved back in date but they never let him and was forced to fight of the fab four ray leonard was the one who was the most devious bottom line a lightweight moved up to welterweight and beat him
He scared Sugar Ray Leonard
bandamardu
Every elite fight that Duran fought beat him....Fact.
Hagler, hearns, Benitez, Leonard all beat Duran with ease
Duran is a glorified brawling bully famous for being an animal both inside and outside the ring.
Never giving any of these fighters respect even after they whupped his ass.
Duran had the audacity to ask for a rematch with leonard after quitting in the middle of a title fight when he was the champion.
bandamardu
Excuses excuses excuses
Explain how Duran could be fit in june 1980 for 15rounds (1st fight) and unfit 5 months later for a rematch?
Explain why Duran had to explain in this very video to Howard Cosell why he said before the fight that he was fitter for this fight than for the first one?
Explain how everyone at the time thought the 1st fight was so close the 15th round was the decider but yet duran threw hardly any punches and still got the decision?
@SirHappyThe1st
well leonard admitted what i said in a interview
he hardly threw any punches?
he knocked some of leonards teeth out!
LOL
your basing your opinion on what your perceive but what im saying is fact cos they admitted these thing in interviews
@SirHappyThe1st
beat better opposition?
duran beat hagler he didnt need the wbc to make a random weight class for him
you need to look at the bigger picture in the fights
duran threw shots with intent through the ages more ppl praise duran then leonard due to his ability to fight leonard had a good style but he played on external factors like weight classes and biased judges to help in
@rubendrakkar Come on now man, come on now man he was being beaten by the man at his own fight and quit! He said he did not want to get knocked out by him that night and humiliated, and he knew in the end he would regardless.
Duran wasn't getting beat that bad, he was a head case in that paticular moment. Now against Hagler, Hearns ( in which Duran was stopped in the 2nd round) , Barkley, and Robbie Sims, he caught bigger bombs and didn't quit
that was a rematch
I won't get into who was better from that time, all of them were great. Duran, Hagler, Hearns, Leonard and Benitez. They all fought each other except from Benitez-Hagler. They won some and lost some, Duran was the only one to beat Ray, all the others lost to him(IMO Hagler beat Ray). That's what boxing is missing today, the best fighting the best. Leonard retired rather than fighting Hagler and Hearns in a rematch, but other than that the five were great and deserve our respect...
Larry would have asked similar, though better, questions.
@SirHappyThe1st
its a fight
m. ali opened up his gloves up to beat henry cooper
roberto duran came up from lightweight and went to the top
so what if he hit bucanan low
floyd used his elbow against hatton alot
this is tough arguement to decide tbut when both fighter met in there prime duran won
@chifuli1974 That is so true. I just don't like for someone to put down another boxer just because they favor one over the other. Yes they was all great.
@SirHappyThe1st
no way come on look at the fights how many times was duran done over by judges if u score the fight from a neutral stand point duran beat camacho in there first fight but due to politics camacho had to win so the money could go into the leonard fight
leonard knows it he has been gifted fights
against hagler he didnt even hurt him
he got ktfo by camacho
duran was the first guy to take hagler 15 rounds
hearns was a fighter that duran took lightly and he paid the price
@SirHappyThe1st
did duran even look hurt in that fight?
you say its a fact that duran is good boxer but leonard was better
my lies wont work?
watch?v=cvYhKBMx6ns
after the fight and he planned the rematch as soon as duran was in rest mode
watch the documentaries on youtube they show it on there where leonard admits it and also they show that duran wasnt going to make it
and when you watch that video has any fighter spoke of leonard in that way that he had ko power?
@lcvd1
read all my posts i like duran
in this fight it showed that tactics are employed by fighters to mess the game up for others.
Duran tried to postpone the fight but leonard applied pressure on don king to make duran fight that day.
For me i think that duran is one of the best boxers in the world out of the fab 4 he was the best for me leonard was the media darling like oscar de la hoya
@d4c3a1 Paliza? perdía por dos puntos ..Duran jamás se retiraría por una "paliza" simplemente el sabía que no estaba preparado para esa pelea. Paliza? ciego!
@Solowizard still 8th of all time ...and actually helps people ..so I think he deserves a little more respect.
but of course you don't think so because you only looked at his failures to devalue his status as one of the greatest lightweights in the history of boxing.
u do know that he went on to fight at jr. middleweight and middleweight, was great at both n fought MUCH harder fights than this right?
@bandamardu stop making fuckin excuses leonard took his 1st defeat like a man went away revised his tactics and came back and totally embarrassed duran in new orleans ! there was a rematch clause in the contract and duran new this but made excuses that he was not in shape yet he weighed the same as he did in the 1st fight !! paid proffesionals know the score !! he got outboxed period !!
Yeah you named some good ones no doubt about it...are they a Marvin Hagler, Roberto Duran, Ray Leonard or a Thomas Hearns?
No not even close.
In fact Marvin Hagler would have systematically dismantled ever fighter you just named there.
Are they "good" ...yes... are they going to be considered some of the "greatest" ever ...no
De La Hoya isnt from your crew anyhow but yes he WAS great.
The others as compared to the fighters Ive named?
No brother sorry they dont compare, unfortunately
@SirHappyThe1st
all 4 men easily beat duran?
you are biased as hell
hearns beat duran hands down that was durans fault should have taken him more serious
he was the first man to take hagler 15 rounds
and he beat leonard coming up from lightweight
tyson won the title by 21 similar to duran so what if he was bad mannered it what goes on in the ring that counts no points for being a nice person
My friend you're sadly mistaken that isnt "elitist" talk that is simply FACT.
The day the "new generation" grows up. Is the day we will see "Great" fighters again
ie. thomas hearns or marvin hagler etc. etc.
Unfortunately your crew is too selfish, childish and disloyal. So you all stay in the "decent" category.
None of your crew fires me up while watching them fight like these two men did. Because none of your crew displays traits of "real men".
Real men make "GREAT" fighters...Respect
@peb577 EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If all u so called experts in the comments think Ray was a better fighter then let me ask u this. Why does the ring mag espn and basically anybodies opinion that matters always rate Duran in the top 5 of all time?? Yes Ray was great but Duran was better!!!
The fight SHOULD had been in Duran´s terms, he was the champion or not? But Sugar is from the US, Duran from a third world country. That´s all.
He also swallowed boxes of diuretics in the three days before the fight so he could lose 10 pounds in three days. Imagine losing 10 pounds in 3 days.
@CONTENDER791 Duran was completely out of shape on this fight, he gain 25 pounds in 6 months..and went backj...se the montreal fight!
who's fault was that? yell
Yes. The fight SHOULD had been in Duran´s terms, he was the champion or not? But Sugar is from the US, Duran from a third world country. That´s all.
@rickyp4ever Look I respect the hell outta Duran, but he quit and lost this fight here, thats all I am saying. Duran was not scared of anyone and faught the best and moved up to do so, one of the best fighters to ever fight bar none! Definitely the toughest along with Ali or Frazier. I am just wondering why you are still so upset over this fight here and argue in every thread about it? Roberto won that first fight and I figured you would be happy there?
@09bnunez You are more macho than Duran? hahahahahaahahah.
@bertelliish Crazy! Duran was the better boxer of the 4, thats why ring magazine put him like the 5th better boxer of all time..you dont know NOTHING, NOTHING about boxing!
Bs 😂 Duran was by far the worst out of leonard, hagler and hearns jesus
@@tang00001 Duran is the only of the Fab 4, considered a top 5 ATG p4p.
the second fight sucked! all the sissys who could never outfight a tougher fighter loved this match and gloated over it for years!
yup