@@studlydudly The only V12 actually (but not the only 12-cylinder engine; the Ferrari flat-12’s of the 70s won the Constructors championship 4 times) McLaren used a semi-automatic gearbox for the first time in their ‘92 car. Ferrari debuted a semi-auto in ‘89, and Williams in ‘91 (Ferrari were the first to use it; Lotus had developed and tested a version of that tech some years before but never raced it), and Benetton then had it in ‘93; and then by ‘95 every team had it.
@hmdwgf Everything is true aside from the '95 part. At least Forti and maybe Pacific if I could remember still had h-pattern(manual) transmissions then. '96 I think was only Forti, and there after everyone had a semi-auto
They are pretty great, though I do like the "lesser" cars that are included that often get ignored, like all the Brazilian series they have. Bombing around Curtiba in an old VW Beetle is pretty great.
Although we Brazilians love video games, we are not one of the countries that produces them the most, so it's really cool to see youtubers commenting and playing our games, especially racing games, since motorsport is another of our passions. Your videos are great, thanks for sharing them with us.
Sadly simracing is extremely niche here, so Automobilista 2 is almost unknown on its own country, despite its popularity outside of Brasil. I wish more games like this got some attention on our gaming media instead of dumb favela simulators...
@@Brenooliveira8989 Ironically, I see more Brazillians playing Project Cars 2 than AMS2 which is literally a better version of PC2 (physics-wise, PC2 does have more content for now and campaign mode). No wonder Reiza started focusing more in content of the UK, US and so on, even between Brazillian simracers, the AMS fans are a minority
11:20 - Ground effects were outlawed after the 1982 season, though Gordon Murray and the rest of the Brabham design team were working under the assumption (from their heretofore-well-connected boss, one B. Ecclestone) that they'd be legal for one more year. Consequently, they'd managed to build three examples of the ground effect BT51 and started testing it when FISA said, "Oh by the way, everyone has to run flat-bottom cars starting in 1983." This was about *SIX WEEKS* before the season opener in Brazil, so not only did Murray and staff manage to design and build a second new car during the same off-season, but that car (the BT52) also managed to win on debut and eventually take the drivers' world championship.
The mega high power from the BMW engine was by 1986 where most credible sources quote a maximum power of 1350bhp in qualifying, in 1983 they probably started the season with 650 bhp and by the end of the season they were starting to push 800bhp thanks to advances in fuel technology. Throughout 1984 BMW kept pushing the limits of engine performance with a disastrous effect on reliability, this was a season when Piquet claimed pole in 9 of the 16 races but only won twice with back to back wins in Canada and Detroit and retired in 9 other races!
Thank you for getting the power correct for the 1983 season. I watched the 1983 season (my 1st full season of F1) and have lots of magazines and the Autocourse Book from that year. It amazes me that reiza have got the power figures so wrong in the 83 cars. They are far too quick for that year. I have been trying to make my case on the Reiza forums regarding this issue.
Piquet drove better in ‘84 than he did in ‘83, in my opinion. BMW unfortunately as you said, went for power over reliability, they had a real problem with overheating around the intercooler and used dry ice packed around the bag tank to help with cooling. But when it worked, it WORKED - but TAG-Porsche stole a march that year, and the McLaren chassis handled a bit better as well
I've had an on-off experience with AMS2 since its release - sometimes I have a lot of fun, sometimes I scratch my head confused by the physics, but what now makes up the Formula Classic Gen 4 class was always the one I wanted to be good. On release it was dire, but now it's what I boot the game up for. Trying out the MP4/6 yesterday, along with the VRC SuperTourers released just before, has made me a very, very happy person. What a time to be in this amazing hobby. We really are spoiled.
I was always convinced by AMS2 because the Madness Engine has the best differential- and tyre-flex simulation. If you just model the differential with simple logarithms the transition between a locked and unlocked state is always convenient smooth, but reality must be more harsh if you know more details. I actually miss some of the old physics quirks which I found very reasonable if you know how mechanics in a car function. Most people compare the cars to AC, which doesn't provide any complexity in simulation when it comes to details.
I've found making the cockpit camera static, and getting read of the weird head movement, helped me understand how the cars felt way better. I always thought the CART cars had weird handling, until I turned off the head movement. Worth a shot to try and see if it helps.
I think BMW reached its peak 1400hp by 1986, not 1983, and the engine capacity for turbos didn't change. Only turbo boost was resctricted to 4.0 bar in 1987 and to 2.5 bar in 1988, having effectively reduced the horsepower twice in qualifying trim. I also recall there were "special" engines and ultra-soft tires in 1991, so that lap records would stand unbeatable for many years, e.g. Senna's 1.21,114 pole at Monza. At Silverstone, the Brazilian clocked at 1.21,618 in his MP 4/6, much faster than you predicted. I personally would like to watch how the races in 1986 and 1991 cars looked like. Those years many teams were close to each other with strong drivers.
So your CART videos made me go and get the game and dlc’s 2 days ago and I have spent 26 hours in it just having so much fun. Even in cars that I never had interest in are a blast to drive like these. . And I’m doing that as I binge watch all the RBR streams and building a model car too. From one Boston guy to another- thanks for the great stuff!
@@thatonenigeriansformula yep vacation days are great - dont have to do anything and in the 48 hours I spent 26 of them racing... and loved every minute of it!
The BT52 is pure villainy as a car. One of this with Nelson driving surely give the same feeling of watching Darth Vadder in a Tie-Fighter/Advanced. Drive it on AMS2 is the same than fly a FW-190 in an Oleg Maddox's sim. Just feel as good as it can be
I'm a big fan of your reviews and races. I especially enjoyed this review of the Brazilian Racing Legends. I always learn so much from your exact historical summary. You bring a lot of additional enjoyment to my long-term involvement with sim racing. Nobody covers the details of what sim racing provides as well as you do. Keep doing what you're doing!
Great video as always. One thing I want to correct though is that the MP4/4 wasn't even close to the first carbon fiber monocoque. That distinction, surprisingly enough, actually goes to the MP4/1 from 1981. It was designed by John Barnard. Gordon Murray designed the MP4/4. Within a couple of years of the MP4/1 debut in 1981, most teams were using carbon fiber monocoques. The Lotus 98T had a carbon fiber and Kevlar Aluminum honeycomb monocoque. Love your channel. The cars you feature are near and dear to me, as they are from an era when I first fell in love with auto racing. Keep up the good work.
As Amphibious says MP4/4 is not the Murray car we once thought, and I say that as huge Murray fan. Go to the JayEmmOnCars YT channel, and his interview with Steve Nichols. I was initially sceptical, having bought into the son of BT55 ‘done right’ but as the interview goes on it’s clear Nichols (chief designer) and the design office, that Murray as Technical Director and overseeing quality control at the factory was not really involved as the written history has lead us to believe. Nichols left for Ferrari, and Ron Dennis, and Murray both still at McLaren to be consulted it appears he has acquired more glory than he deserved. ruclips.net/video/5Mz9nAzsLXU/видео.html Fascinating watch 👆
Thats very interesting. Great video Chris. You learn something new every day, I guess. The story I have heard several times about how the MP4/1 came about goes like this: When Ron Dennis bought into McLaren, he did so from the team he was involved with called Project 4. Project 4 was a Formula 2 and Formula 3 team. They were using carbon fiber to make wings for their cars. When Mr. Dennis came to McLaren, he showed the carbon material to John Barnard as an option for making wings for the McLaren. When Barnard saw the material, he said why don't we make the whole monocoque from it. Many people at the time thought that if the car crashed the monocoque would turn to carbon dust. It's funny how innovation comes about. By the way, the P4 in the McLaren MP4 designated cars was brought with Dennis and stands for Project 4. The cars before Dennis arrived were designated with only an M.
The BT52 is IMO the hardest to drive car in the pack and it isn't close. The Lotus 98T even at 100% boost is a walk in the park compared to the BT52. You really have to create a unique driving style for it compared to any of the other retro gen 3 cars. I find keeping the car in higher gears than you think help keep the back end tame while avoiding the nasty turbo lag you can experience in 1st-3rd gear. The turbo lag really is brutal with default fuel or lower, the lateral grip is the worst in class, and the back end wants to come around super easy unless you fill the car up with a lot of fuel. I'm not sure if it is intentional, but the rear wing is non adjustable and the front wing only has 3 positions I believe. These areo settings are drastically different from every other retro gen 3 car. It has the most potential in class, but I find the generic turbo to be almost as quick over one lap, while being dramatically easier to drive lap after lap. The best drivers though could probably dominate with the BT52.
Honestly you can't keep me away. Absolutely loving the BT-52 and MP4/4 (during the whole video I was driving the MP4/4 at Suzuka, I like having something in the background while I hot lap). Reiza keeps hitting it out of the park and I just know that it's because these cars and tracks are always given the time they deserve. Now it's the wait for skin packs! XD
McLaren pioneered fully carbon fiber tubs, but that went all the way back to the start of the Ron Dennis era and the MP4/1, which lasted from 1981-83. Steve Nichols had previously worked at Hercules (a defense contractor that ended up supplying the materials for McLaren's early carbon fiber cars) and he convinced John Barnard to try using carbon for the whole chassis rather than just bolt-on parts. Seeing both the performance and the crashworthiness of the MP4/1 on track, all the other teams followed suit over the next few years.
34:00 With a little practice I was able to clutchless shift up and down. Typically I find it more difficult on upshifts, but I found this car to be easier imho.
Nice review and I got so familiar with the old F1-cars in AMS2, I prefer the most challenging ones like the BT52 and glad they've fixed it. During the beta it was behaving far worse than now probably to BOP the cars a bit more, since the BT52 just smokes the rest so easily on the straight. I suggest trying out Fontana road course with it, the track with just one corner that benefits from downforce👍
I usually default to testing cars at Silverstone (if it's available) in my simracing experiences...I feel like the track has a near-perfect mix of fast corners and straights, mid-speed sections (where you can test the car's feelings towards throttle manipulation), and slow-speed corners to test acceleration. To me, I think you can get a really solid understanding of any given car at this track.
Happy New Year Jake - thanks for the great content in 2022 and looking forward to more of the same quality in 23. And what a start! Please do test the fan car - I loved that one for its brief F1 career.
I got into F1 in 2021, but I love the look of the MP4/5! The proportions of the MP4/6 look a bit awkward to me from the side but it looks incredible from the front. Both very nice looking cars and very different looking from the enormous cars of the contemporary formula.
BT49 my favourite F1 car of all time the shape the look and the brilliance of the paintwork to accentuate starkness of the colours. The fact Piquets helmet was red and white just looked incredible also as a contrast. A wonderful time for the battle of Jones and Piquet.
I'd still say that the Lotus 49 and 72 are fairly recognizable, in one guise or another. I imagine there may be a few F1 cars that have more outright wins than the MP4/4. Cars like the Alfa Romeo 158/159 and Lotus 49 and 72, as well as the Maserati 250F, come to mind. And as for percentage over a season, Ascari did pretty well in his F2 Ferrari in 1952-53. The Lotus 98T gets more notoriety, but I'd have to say that the 1987 Williams FW11B is still plenty recognizable; that's the car Piquet took to his 3 drivers' title. Senna was certainly one of those most famous for just slinging those turbo F1 cars around a lap in Qualifyng. And even without the side skirts, a number of those cars still had whacking great venturis sticking out the back of them. Come 1988, of course, F1 was looking to phase out the turbos altogether. The 3.5-liter formula was going to kick in in full force in 1989. I think I prefer the look of the MP4/4 over the MP4/5B. Part of it is probably that you don't have the black [Marlboro] lettering to break up that huge, white airbox. Funnily enough, I came in late watching F1 around 2000, and I don't find those to be the best-looking era of F1 cars by any stretch. The 2000 McLaren and Arrows were pretty good, but I definitely prefer the look of a number of the 1985-88 turbo F1 cars. There's a smattering of the 1978-82 machines as well. And then it's back to the wingless wonders of the 1960s and '50s. Some of the '50s cars win in my book in terms of pur sex appeal with the smooth, curvaceous bodywork. (Hey, it's also why I like so many of those Sports Racers and Sports Prototypes of the probably 1955-70 period so much.) Interesting you say that. The 4.0-liter V12 original to the Ferrari 333SP sounds pretty good, but I think the Judd V10 that Doran Lista put in their chassis gives it a run for its money. Williams was also perfecting their active-suspension system, as we'd see in 1992. The bottoming sound effect doesn't sound totally off the mark though, actually.
Steve Nichols sure could design a car. '88 and '16 seasons have this weird thing in common that both teammates came to the last round to decide the championship and the defending champion lost his title to a non-champion, only to claim it back the next season. Useless, but cool info.
I don't think anyone knows which gearboxes were used in the early 90s, a good example is the 1993 Tyrrell. The wikipedia for this car says it's a semi-automatic but footcam from the car shows Ukyo Katayama using heel-and-toe and 3 pedals.
Great video Jake as always. You mentioned VR, and I'm a VR user exclusively. Do you use VR yourself? As a guy who loves the realism and immersion I imagine you'd love it.
AMS2 always seemed interesting but I have never pulled the trigger on it. Iracing is my go to for online and Raceroom for my single player. Though I will go months without touching Raceroom. I like some of the cars and vintage versions of tracks AMS2 as to offer but I just don't see myself playing it much.
the only mp4/4 fail in itly was because of gearbox for prost and senna was taken out by mansles sick replacement Jean-Louis Schlesser conter steared his car back on track and into senna Gerhard Berger had his day for Ferrari and a shock 3-4 for arrows
Enzo Ferrari had just died and Berger said he will win the race and he wants the F1 car as the prize. Everyone at Ferrari laughed. Then Berger won the race and he got the car.
I honestly feel it’s a shame we didn’t get an FW11B as opposed to the Lotus. Iconic car for sure but I’ve driven it in nearly every sim to come out in the last 5 years, it’s even been included in Gran Turismo.
I just wonder if that whistle in the background of the MP4/5 is realistic. To me it does not. A few minutes ago i noticed this DLC is on discount and i wanted to get a feel for it from my trusted sources like GPLaps. Oh the MP4/6 has it as well.
Reiza found during mid-2022 they had been battling with the Madness Engine canned physics which was supposed to have been fully disabled. They found the ME physics was still partly in use and was messing up their own physics engine. Once this was discovered, Reiza had to totally overhaul their own physics engine had was compensating for the interference from the ME physics they had not realised was there. This was the cause of one of the delays but a delay we could all get behind. Ever since then AMS2 has grown to be the go to simulator for accurate physics and FFB. Anyone not agree? You need to reset your wheelbase settings and start again without all the nasty little tweaks put in to compensate for slow FFB and physics rates in rf2 and iRacing. Indeed, *each and every simulator needs entirely different wheel setups - there is no one size fits all.* I run every sim in competition you can possibly imagine; each has an entirely different wheelbase configuration as a baseline per sim, followed by changes for each vehicle car depending on its drive line physics. One thing to note, if your wheelbase is under 5Nm, you will only ever have "gamey" FFB. Complaining about FFB "reality" when you are running a G920 is pointless. There is nothing wrong with using a G29/920 and the like (my boys use my old G920 on PC and XBOX), but using the word "realistic" with such a wheelbase shows a lack of experience. Once you go Direct Drive or even a decent belt-driven wheel, you will come to understand of what I write.
That MP4/5 and MP4/6 engine note. That is F1 with V10s for me. Need a lot more of that. C'mon, Liberty, give us back that banshee scream of a V10 sound. F1 should be loud, and grab yer attention, none of this hybrid turbo quiet stuff
The replay in AMS2 still sucks… It‘s the main reason why I not use AMS2 that often. Just two minutes of recording. You cannot jump to a specific time etc….
This isn't your fault, I suspect it's the game or maybe the refresh rate on my TV, but on those long shots of the cars approaching down the Hangar Straight there's a ton of jittering.
The only thing that I don't like about that DLC is that we can't buy the individual cars. I honestly just want the 91 Mclaren, those are my favourite class to drive in AMS 2 and feels bad to buy 5 other cars that I'm not going to use more than once. With the premium track pack we can buy individual circuits, would be nice to be abled to do the same in this one
Is this the fov you use, or is this just for our benefit? When I set my fov correctly with my wheel I can barely see the tires or side mirrors. I have been trying to only use h pattern on these cars and that makes it extra challenging
Fov is the same for all cars but i do adjust the seat to make it look nice on video. When not recording it turn off the onscreen wheel and usually move the seat further forward
@@GPLaps I like this approach of putting the video first. I do the same, but in VR if I put the seating position where it actually should be, the video output FOV looks far too drawn out. I actually sit a lot closer to the steering wheel, so the video looks like I’m really strapped into the cockpit.
Ik it’s soon, but I’d love to see you do a tribute video to ken block. Such a huge impact to racing and sim racing. I loved this video and how you do all your vids so I feel if anyone can do this Hoonigan Icon his respected tribute sim video, it’s you Jake.
I think Reiza nailed it with the MP 4/4. It feels just awesome - and, just as in real life, is so much better, quicker and more precise to drive than the other cars of this class.
Would be nice with Danish F1 driver .. Frank Williams Racing, Ram, McLaren, steward ford, Minardi,mclaren now with Mercedes, Renault, Haas all generally poor cars at the time
Love the pack, but the BT-62 in the same carset as the BT-46B is the biggest turn off to every F1 fan, definetly the biggest immersion killer They should add a new Formula Retro Gen Cars to fit better the 1981-ish Atmosphere....
Did they fix the issue where you can’t AltTab out of the game without it disconnecting the wheel? After the last update with the GTP Vett and historic Spa it started doing that to me. I ain’t loaded AMS2 since.
the mp4/6 was the last h-pattern car to win a world championship
And the last v12
The year I was born
@@studlydudly The only V12 actually (but not the only 12-cylinder engine; the Ferrari flat-12’s of the 70s won the Constructors championship 4 times)
McLaren used a semi-automatic gearbox for the first time in their ‘92 car. Ferrari debuted a semi-auto in ‘89, and Williams in ‘91 (Ferrari were the first to use it; Lotus had developed and tested a version of that tech some years before but never raced it), and Benetton then had it in ‘93; and then by ‘95 every team had it.
Lotus 78 better
@hmdwgf Everything is true aside from the '95 part. At least Forti and maybe Pacific if I could remember still had h-pattern(manual) transmissions then. '96 I think was only Forti, and there after everyone had a semi-auto
This is Where AMS2 Shines.
Open wheelers and Historical tracks
Agreed. That’s pretty much the main/only reason I drive it.
They are pretty great, though I do like the "lesser" cars that are included that often get ignored, like all the Brazilian series they have. Bombing around Curtiba in an old VW Beetle is pretty great.
@@BunkerFox as much as i enjoy the classic f1 cars, formula inter and the brazillian stock cars are honestly some of the most fun i've had simracing
Although we Brazilians love video games, we are not one of the countries that produces them the most, so it's really cool to see youtubers commenting and playing our games, especially racing games, since motorsport is another of our passions.
Your videos are great, thanks for sharing them with us.
Sadly simracing is extremely niche here, so Automobilista 2 is almost unknown on its own country, despite its popularity outside of Brasil. I wish more games like this got some attention on our gaming media instead of dumb favela simulators...
@@Brenooliveira8989 Ironically, I see more Brazillians playing Project Cars 2 than AMS2 which is literally a better version of PC2 (physics-wise, PC2 does have more content for now and campaign mode). No wonder Reiza started focusing more in content of the UK, US and so on, even between Brazillian simracers, the AMS fans are a minority
I'd love to see another brazilian driver crowned as world champion. Felipe was too close, but not enough.
@@Brenooliveira8989 😕
I wish yall put it on console
11:20 - Ground effects were outlawed after the 1982 season, though Gordon Murray and the rest of the Brabham design team were working under the assumption (from their heretofore-well-connected boss, one B. Ecclestone) that they'd be legal for one more year. Consequently, they'd managed to build three examples of the ground effect BT51 and started testing it when FISA said, "Oh by the way, everyone has to run flat-bottom cars starting in 1983." This was about *SIX WEEKS* before the season opener in Brazil, so not only did Murray and staff manage to design and build a second new car during the same off-season, but that car (the BT52) also managed to win on debut and eventually take the drivers' world championship.
The mega high power from the BMW engine was by 1986 where most credible sources quote a maximum power of 1350bhp in qualifying, in 1983 they probably started the season with 650 bhp and by the end of the season they were starting to push 800bhp thanks to advances in fuel technology. Throughout 1984 BMW kept pushing the limits of engine performance with a disastrous effect on reliability, this was a season when Piquet claimed pole in 9 of the 16 races but only won twice with back to back wins in Canada and Detroit and retired in 9 other races!
Thank you for getting the power correct for the 1983 season. I watched the 1983 season (my 1st full season of F1) and have lots of magazines and the Autocourse Book from that year. It amazes me that reiza have got the power figures so wrong in the 83 cars. They are far too quick for that year. I have been trying to make my case on the Reiza forums regarding this issue.
Piquet drove better in ‘84 than he did in ‘83, in my opinion. BMW unfortunately as you said, went for power over reliability, they had a real problem with overheating around the intercooler and used dry ice packed around the bag tank to help with cooling. But when it worked, it WORKED - but TAG-Porsche stole a march that year, and the McLaren chassis handled a bit better as well
Love that BT-52 is a kicking horse even leaving the pit lane. That mad arrow was one of the wildest F1 cars I’ve ever seen.
Confused it with the BT-42 for a second, thought Automobilista 2 had added the funny Finnish tank 😂
John Barnard called it a “dragster”.
Also one of the prittiest too.
I'm Brazilian so it´s an insta-buy for me!
Been a Senna fan since the 80's so its an insta buy for me too.
I've had an on-off experience with AMS2 since its release - sometimes I have a lot of fun, sometimes I scratch my head confused by the physics, but what now makes up the Formula Classic Gen 4 class was always the one I wanted to be good. On release it was dire, but now it's what I boot the game up for.
Trying out the MP4/6 yesterday, along with the VRC SuperTourers released just before, has made me a very, very happy person. What a time to be in this amazing hobby. We really are spoiled.
I was always convinced by AMS2 because the Madness Engine has the best differential- and tyre-flex simulation. If you just model the differential with simple logarithms the transition between a locked and unlocked state is always convenient smooth, but reality must be more harsh if you know more details. I actually miss some of the old physics quirks which I found very reasonable if you know how mechanics in a car function. Most people compare the cars to AC, which doesn't provide any complexity in simulation when it comes to details.
I've found making the cockpit camera static, and getting read of the weird head movement, helped me understand how the cars felt way better. I always thought the CART cars had weird handling, until I turned off the head movement. Worth a shot to try and see if it helps.
McLaren went to paddle shift with the introduction of the MP4/7A at the 1992 Brazilian Grand Prix
I think BMW reached its peak 1400hp by 1986, not 1983, and the engine capacity for turbos didn't change. Only turbo boost was resctricted to 4.0 bar in 1987 and to 2.5 bar in 1988, having effectively reduced the horsepower twice in qualifying trim. I also recall there were "special" engines and ultra-soft tires in 1991, so that lap records would stand unbeatable for many years, e.g. Senna's 1.21,114 pole at Monza. At Silverstone, the Brazilian clocked at 1.21,618 in his MP 4/6, much faster than you predicted.
I personally would like to watch how the races in 1986 and 1991 cars looked like. Those years many teams were close to each other with strong drivers.
Reiza have done a superb job on these cars. They are things of utter beauty.
I really wish AMS2 was granted a console release.
So your CART videos made me go and get the game and dlc’s 2 days ago and I have spent 26 hours in it just having so much fun. Even in cars that I never had interest in are a blast to drive like these.
. And I’m doing that as I binge watch all the RBR streams and building a model car too. From one Boston guy to another- thanks for the great stuff!
Hello fellow gloo trooper and AMS2 player!
I mostly do military aircraft, both warbirds and jets, WW2 to 4th gen.
You played AMS 2 nonstop for more than a day damn
@@thatonenigeriansformula yep vacation days are great - dont have to do anything and in the 48 hours I spent 26 of them racing... and loved every minute of it!
Reiza has been such a much better steward of the Madness engine than its past creators/owners.
The BT52 is pure villainy as a car. One of this with Nelson driving surely give the same feeling of watching Darth Vadder in a Tie-Fighter/Advanced. Drive it on AMS2 is the same than fly a FW-190 in an Oleg Maddox's sim. Just feel as good as it can be
I'm a big fan of your reviews and races. I especially enjoyed this review of the Brazilian Racing Legends. I always learn so much from your exact historical summary. You bring a lot of additional enjoyment to my long-term involvement with sim racing. Nobody covers the details of what sim racing provides as well as you do. Keep doing what you're doing!
AMS2 has its constant minor-but-irritating niggles, but I found myself smiling from ear-to-ear, whilst driving the MP4/5B at Jerez 1988.
Great video as always. One thing I want to correct though is that the MP4/4 wasn't even close to the first carbon fiber monocoque. That distinction, surprisingly enough, actually goes to the MP4/1 from 1981. It was designed by John Barnard. Gordon Murray designed the MP4/4. Within a couple of years of the MP4/1 debut in 1981, most teams were using carbon fiber monocoques. The Lotus 98T had a carbon fiber and Kevlar Aluminum honeycomb monocoque. Love your channel. The cars you feature are near and dear to me, as they are from an era when I first fell in love with auto racing. Keep up the good work.
A correction of a correction, but whilst Murray likes to take credit for the MP4/4, Steve Nichols actually designed the car
As Amphibious says MP4/4 is not the Murray car we once thought, and I say that as huge Murray fan. Go to the JayEmmOnCars YT channel, and his interview with Steve Nichols. I was initially sceptical, having bought into the son of BT55 ‘done right’ but as the interview goes on it’s clear Nichols (chief designer) and the design office, that Murray as Technical Director and overseeing quality control at the factory was not really involved as the written history has lead us to believe. Nichols left for Ferrari, and Ron Dennis, and Murray both still at McLaren to be consulted it appears he has acquired more glory than he deserved.
ruclips.net/video/5Mz9nAzsLXU/видео.html
Fascinating watch 👆
Thats very interesting. Great video Chris. You learn something new every day, I guess. The story I have heard several times about how the MP4/1 came about goes like this: When Ron Dennis bought into McLaren, he did so from the team he was involved with called Project 4. Project 4 was a Formula 2 and Formula 3 team. They were using carbon fiber to make wings for their cars. When Mr. Dennis came to McLaren, he showed the carbon material to John Barnard as an option for making wings for the McLaren. When Barnard saw the material, he said why don't we make the whole monocoque from it. Many people at the time thought that if the car crashed the monocoque would turn to carbon dust. It's funny how innovation comes about. By the way, the P4 in the McLaren MP4 designated cars was brought with Dennis and stands for Project 4. The cars before Dennis arrived were designated with only an M.
Someone should make a mod to allow the player to give the finger to the other drivers for the full Piquet experience.
The BT52 is IMO the hardest to drive car in the pack and it isn't close. The Lotus 98T even at 100% boost is a walk in the park compared to the BT52. You really have to create a unique driving style for it compared to any of the other retro gen 3 cars. I find keeping the car in higher gears than you think help keep the back end tame while avoiding the nasty turbo lag you can experience in 1st-3rd gear. The turbo lag really is brutal with default fuel or lower, the lateral grip is the worst in class, and the back end wants to come around super easy unless you fill the car up with a lot of fuel.
I'm not sure if it is intentional, but the rear wing is non adjustable and the front wing only has 3 positions I believe. These areo settings are drastically different from every other retro gen 3 car.
It has the most potential in class, but I find the generic turbo to be almost as quick over one lap, while being dramatically easier to drive lap after lap. The best drivers though could probably dominate with the BT52.
The BT52 is one of the most beautiful f1 cars ever
But it was wild beast that needed its driver to be on top of it the whole time from lights to flag
Honestly you can't keep me away. Absolutely loving the BT-52 and MP4/4 (during the whole video I was driving the MP4/4 at Suzuka, I like having something in the background while I hot lap). Reiza keeps hitting it out of the park and I just know that it's because these cars and tracks are always given the time they deserve. Now it's the wait for skin packs! XD
Reiza keeps on amazing me, their development team are absolutely on it! Your reviews are fantastic too and I enjoy learning a lot from them. Thanks
McLaren pioneered fully carbon fiber tubs, but that went all the way back to the start of the Ron Dennis era and the MP4/1, which lasted from 1981-83. Steve Nichols had previously worked at Hercules (a defense contractor that ended up supplying the materials for McLaren's early carbon fiber cars) and he convinced John Barnard to try using carbon for the whole chassis rather than just bolt-on parts. Seeing both the performance and the crashworthiness of the MP4/1 on track, all the other teams followed suit over the next few years.
34:00 With a little practice I was able to clutchless shift up and down. Typically I find it more difficult on upshifts, but I found this car to be easier imho.
great GPLaps video, I bet all your Brazilian followers will love this video as much as I do! 🇧🇷🇧🇷
Nice review and I got so familiar with the old F1-cars in AMS2, I prefer the most challenging ones like the BT52 and glad they've fixed it. During the beta it was behaving far worse than now probably to BOP the cars a bit more, since the BT52 just smokes the rest so easily on the straight. I suggest trying out Fontana road course with it, the track with just one corner that benefits from downforce👍
Wow, this video was such a beautiful journey through time. With the sun setting more and more with each car, noice!
Another great GP Laps video. Delicious inspiration, and some education! Thank you! 🙂
I usually default to testing cars at Silverstone (if it's available) in my simracing experiences...I feel like the track has a near-perfect mix of fast corners and straights, mid-speed sections (where you can test the car's feelings towards throttle manipulation), and slow-speed corners to test acceleration.
To me, I think you can get a really solid understanding of any given car at this track.
Happy New Year Jake - thanks for the great content in 2022 and looking forward to more of the same quality in 23. And what a start! Please do test the fan car - I loved that one for its brief F1 career.
Jake, with your 1.25.4 in the 4/6 you would have qualified in P21 in 1991. Mansell got Pole with 1.20.939, Senna had P2 with 1.21.618.
I got into F1 in 2021, but I love the look of the MP4/5! The proportions of the MP4/6 look a bit awkward to me from the side but it looks incredible from the front. Both very nice looking cars and very different looking from the enormous cars of the contemporary formula.
Pretty fun watching this as I build a Tamiya 1/12 scale Lotus 78 plastic model.
BT49 my favourite F1 car of all time the shape the look and the brilliance of the paintwork to accentuate starkness of the colours.
The fact Piquets helmet was red and white just looked incredible also as a contrast.
A wonderful time for the battle of Jones and Piquet.
I'd still say that the Lotus 49 and 72 are fairly recognizable, in one guise or another.
I imagine there may be a few F1 cars that have more outright wins than the MP4/4. Cars like the Alfa Romeo 158/159 and Lotus 49 and 72, as well as the Maserati 250F, come to mind. And as for percentage over a season, Ascari did pretty well in his F2 Ferrari in 1952-53.
The Lotus 98T gets more notoriety, but I'd have to say that the 1987 Williams FW11B is still plenty recognizable; that's the car Piquet took to his 3 drivers' title.
Senna was certainly one of those most famous for just slinging those turbo F1 cars around a lap in Qualifyng. And even without the side skirts, a number of those cars still had whacking great venturis sticking out the back of them.
Come 1988, of course, F1 was looking to phase out the turbos altogether. The 3.5-liter formula was going to kick in in full force in 1989.
I think I prefer the look of the MP4/4 over the MP4/5B. Part of it is probably that you don't have the black [Marlboro] lettering to break up that huge, white airbox.
Funnily enough, I came in late watching F1 around 2000, and I don't find those to be the best-looking era of F1 cars by any stretch. The 2000 McLaren and Arrows were pretty good, but I definitely prefer the look of a number of the 1985-88 turbo F1 cars. There's a smattering of the 1978-82 machines as well. And then it's back to the wingless wonders of the 1960s and '50s. Some of the '50s cars win in my book in terms of pur sex appeal with the smooth, curvaceous bodywork. (Hey, it's also why I like so many of those Sports Racers and Sports Prototypes of the probably 1955-70 period so much.)
Interesting you say that. The 4.0-liter V12 original to the Ferrari 333SP sounds pretty good, but I think the Judd V10 that Doran Lista put in their chassis gives it a run for its money.
Williams was also perfecting their active-suspension system, as we'd see in 1992.
The bottoming sound effect doesn't sound totally off the mark though, actually.
I loved this video thank you 👏👏👏 I've like and I am subscribed I have purchased this pack on the strength of your video thanks again from the UK 👍
Awesome showcase. Such a good guy PK!
thank you so much for honoring the legends of Brazilian motorsport
Steve Nichols sure could design a car. '88 and '16 seasons have this weird thing in common that both teammates came to the last round to decide the championship and the defending champion lost his title to a non-champion, only to claim it back the next season. Useless, but cool info.
what an awful time to have ruined my PC, what a beautifully produced dlc from Reiza!
I think the fw11b will be in part 2
It would be great if Reiza did some DLCs with classic F1 seasons, especially 1980s seasons. It's so much more exciting than nowadays F1.
greetings from brasil !
Another great video with historic info. You should get a Netflix series 🙂
From cars I’ve driven with dog boxes, just lift it up shift and heal/toe on the down shift.
I don't think anyone knows which gearboxes were used in the early 90s, a good example is the 1993 Tyrrell. The wikipedia for this car says it's a semi-automatic but footcam from the car shows Ukyo Katayama using heel-and-toe and 3 pedals.
44:30 shifting through the cars or perhaps phasing through.
Great video Jake as always. You mentioned VR, and I'm a VR user exclusively. Do you use VR yourself? As a guy who loves the realism and immersion I imagine you'd love it.
Great video, very entertaining and informative
Why does the wheel in the Brabham BT49 look so off center? Great Video Man!!
Love the bt52 most beautiful single seater ever made along with the mp4/6
It seems to me MP4/6 is the most comfortable for steering.
Damn, that BT52 is sexy. Such a beautiful car and definitely the reason to get this DLC if I do. What a pocket rocket compared to todays turbo cars.
This update is sick!
Babe wake up! Jake uploaded!
Happy new year to you, and thanks for your content! Always awesome!
Great video!
MP4 in VR is so relaxing 🤗
AMS2 always seemed interesting but I have never pulled the trigger on it. Iracing is my go to for online and Raceroom for my single player. Though I will go months without touching Raceroom. I like some of the cars and vintage versions of tracks AMS2 as to offer but I just don't see myself playing it much.
Happy new Year Jake! Thank you for your all great Videos!
wow, that bt52 is incredible
AMS2 needs to improve the replays. The cars sound awful via external camera
the only mp4/4 fail in itly was because of gearbox for prost and senna was taken out by mansles sick replacement Jean-Louis Schlesser conter steared his car back on track and into senna Gerhard Berger had his day for Ferrari and a shock 3-4 for arrows
Enzo Ferrari had just died and Berger said he will win the race and he wants the F1 car as the prize. Everyone at Ferrari laughed. Then Berger won the race and he got the car.
I honestly feel it’s a shame we didn’t get an FW11B as opposed to the Lotus. Iconic car for sure but I’ve driven it in nearly every sim to come out in the last 5 years, it’s even been included in Gran Turismo.
Great job m8
Senna said the 98T was the best car he drove
It would be awesome if you could host a vertual silverstone classic using a tone of different races and cars
The BT-52 must have gone through engines like they were going out of style
I just wonder if that whistle in the background of the MP4/5 is realistic. To me it does not.
A few minutes ago i noticed this DLC is on discount and i wanted to get a feel for it from my trusted sources like GPLaps.
Oh the MP4/6 has it as well.
Wonderful all cars....then you try online and only gt3
Great channel! 🎉Happy new year
The BT52 is by far my favorite.
Senna wiggle before everyturn.
Reiza found during mid-2022 they had been battling with the Madness Engine canned physics which was supposed to have been fully disabled. They found the ME physics was still partly in use and was messing up their own physics engine. Once this was discovered, Reiza had to totally overhaul their own physics engine had was compensating for the interference from the ME physics they had not realised was there. This was the cause of one of the delays but a delay we could all get behind. Ever since then AMS2 has grown to be the go to simulator for accurate physics and FFB.
Anyone not agree?
You need to reset your wheelbase settings and start again without all the nasty little tweaks put in to compensate for slow FFB and physics rates in rf2 and iRacing. Indeed, *each and every simulator needs entirely different wheel setups - there is no one size fits all.* I run every sim in competition you can possibly imagine; each has an entirely different wheelbase configuration as a baseline per sim, followed by changes for each vehicle car depending on its drive line physics. One thing to note, if your wheelbase is under 5Nm, you will only ever have "gamey" FFB. Complaining about FFB "reality" when you are running a G920 is pointless. There is nothing wrong with using a G29/920 and the like (my boys use my old G920 on PC and XBOX), but using the word "realistic" with such a wheelbase shows a lack of experience. Once you go Direct Drive or even a decent belt-driven wheel, you will come to understand of what I write.
That MP4/5 and MP4/6 engine note.
That is F1 with V10s for me. Need a lot more of that. C'mon, Liberty, give us back that banshee scream of a V10 sound. F1 should be loud, and grab yer attention, none of this hybrid turbo quiet stuff
MP4/6 is V12
I'm down for V8 hybrid. Have you heard the Cadillac lmdh?
Must have!
i’m just here hoping someday we can see a first party bt55 probly my favorite f1 car ever even tho the 52 is quite similar
What time and date are you in with the BT49? Looks great.
The replay in AMS2 still sucks… It‘s the main reason why I not use AMS2 that often. Just two minutes of recording. You cannot jump to a specific time etc….
I bought it! I did it! I'm done!
But i laugh!
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This isn't your fault, I suspect it's the game or maybe the refresh rate on my TV, but on those long shots of the cars approaching down the Hangar Straight there's a ton of jittering.
Its the sim unfortunately, the camera shakes from that location. Theres a lot of texture flickering as well on these cars specifically
Low sun casting shadows doesn't help flickering.
Lotus 98T №11 is Johnny Dumfries car. Did Automobilista 2 can't buy №12?;-))
The only thing that I don't like about that DLC is that we can't buy the individual cars. I honestly just want the 91 Mclaren, those are my favourite class to drive in AMS 2 and feels bad to buy 5 other cars that I'm not going to use more than once. With the premium track pack we can buy individual circuits, would be nice to be abled to do the same in this one
I thought you kept saying P.K. lol. I'm like, who TF is P.K.??? This channel is so badass
Piquet is a F1 legend
Generated subtitles actually display "PK" which is hilarious
would be nice to have brake disc glow. happy ny ⭐
Is this the fov you use, or is this just for our benefit? When I set my fov correctly with my wheel I can barely see the tires or side mirrors. I have been trying to only use h pattern on these cars and that makes it extra challenging
Fov is the same for all cars but i do adjust the seat to make it look nice on video. When not recording it turn off the onscreen wheel and usually move the seat further forward
@@GPLaps cool. For the video it is much appreciated- looks great! Thanks for putting this together it will really help me learn the cars in the pack.
@@GPLaps I like this approach of putting the video first. I do the same, but in VR if I put the seating position where it actually should be, the video output FOV looks far too drawn out. I actually sit a lot closer to the steering wheel, so the video looks like I’m really strapped into the cockpit.
Ik it’s soon, but I’d love to see you do a tribute video to ken block. Such a huge impact to racing and sim racing. I loved this video and how you do all your vids so I feel if anyone can do this Hoonigan Icon his respected tribute sim video, it’s you Jake.
*FASTER'S PREMIUM EXPORT.*
Shame the Senna's Tolman isn't in there.
Where is Jose Carlos Pace's Brabham BT44 ?
He's after Reutemann.
he he, just a joke.
Best wishes!
I wish they'd change the spark effects in ams2. it's the same ugly ones from pcars that are stuck to the car and move with it somehow lol
Too small vibrations of cockpit. And there is no tilt of the cabin. It is all negatives that I see.
thats actually all customizable. i have mine on quite low
Emmerson could easily have 5 Indys.
MP4/8 when? lol
I think Reiza nailed it with the MP 4/4. It feels just awesome - and, just as in real life, is so much better, quicker and more precise to drive than the other cars of this class.
Theyre all quite fun and unique! I do love the view from the mp4/4 though, so interesting
Would be nice with Danish F1 driver .. Frank Williams Racing, Ram, McLaren, steward ford, Minardi,mclaren now with Mercedes, Renault, Haas all generally poor cars at the time
How the hell was the 1991 pole lap a 1:20.939 💀💀💀
much faster Lesmo 2 helped
@@andreic5822 also Variante della Roggia was wider and faster
Isto é BRASIL 🇧🇷👏
Love the pack, but the BT-62 in the same carset as the BT-46B is the biggest turn off to every F1 fan, definetly the biggest immersion killer
They should add a new Formula Retro Gen Cars to fit better the 1981-ish Atmosphere....
Did they fix the issue where you can’t AltTab out of the game without it disconnecting the wheel? After the last update with the GTP Vett and historic Spa it started doing that to me. I ain’t loaded AMS2 since.
Never had that happen to me
Sorry, but Mp4-8 is most beautiful car ever.
Nah mp4/4