The Reason Christianity is Dying in the West

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  • Опубликовано: 31 авг 2017
  • Have you ever noticed that there is a correlation between the amount something has cost you and the value you place on it? Let me give you an example. I own two pairs of shoes that are almost identical. I had been looking for this exact style for a long time but I couldn’t find it until one day I was walking through a department store and there they were hanging on a rack as if they were a clearance item. I went to take a look at them and then checked the price tag. They were selling them for $20. I was shocked and instead of excitement at what a great find this was, my reaction was to immediately start wondering what was wrong with them. Was this some sort of attempt to appeal to a lower end market with crappy quality or something? I never did get my answer so I just went ahead and bought them, but the feeling that I was getting something cheap and unworthy was nagging me.
    After using the shoes for a couple weeks, I found that they were holding up well and were comfortable so I decided to go back to the store and buy like a life time supply of them because they were almost too good to be true. When I got there I was startled to discover that they were selling them now for $80.
    I couldn’t make sense of it. Maybe someone had mislabeled the pair I had originally bought or something. So, I decided to pick up another pair that was almost the same but slightly different for that same $80 price tag.
    Since then, I’ve noticed something strange. Of the two pairs of shoes I’ve been really diligent in the way I take care of the ones that cost me $80 and the ones that cost me $20… not so much. I wore them camping and got caught in a rain storm, I dropped a piece of juicy watermelon on them about a week ago, and just before that I wore them for a visit out to my Aunt and Uncle’s farm and if you’ve never been to a farm before, let me just say… there’s a lot of pooping that goes on there.
    The reason for this disparity seems pretty obvious to me. Because this pair only cost me $20, I’ve carried an unshakable sense that they are only worth $20 even though I later found out that they were worth a lot more. That hasn’t influenced my behaviour towards them, however; because at the end of the day, they only cost me $20.
    I think that stands as a powerful analogy for why Christianity has been on such a dramatic decline in western culture. The last 50 years have been characterized by a trend of relaxation in practices and teachings of the faith by it’s leaders. We’ve seen some dramatic examples, especially in mainline Protestantism, in which there have been complete reversals on moral teachings. While that hasn’t happened in the official teachings of the Catholic Church, we’ve seen a disregard for the disciplines and practices.
    For example, in Canada, we used to be expected to attend mass on feast days of the liturgical calendar but they’ve since just moved those all over to the nearest Sunday. Many churches don’t even have kneelers any more because, I don’t know, we don’t want to be uncomfortable? Pro tip, that was the entire point of having kneelers. And instead of fasting during Lent, we’re often encouraged to just do something nice for somebody. I can understand the instinct for doing this. I think well intentioned pastors believed that aspects of the faith were too difficult for the faithful and so if we compromise and accommodate, we’ll retain members but what they essentially did, was reduced the cost of what it means to be a Christian. So the result has been a startling decline in affiliation and practice. In Europe, it’s even worse. They’re anticipating the complete disappearance of some denominations within the next few decades.
    My investment in my faith has cost me so much and transformed me in undeniable ways that it would be really hard for me to let go of because I’d have to admit that it was all for nothing. But had I not felt the need to invest myself as much as I have, I’d likely be able to walk away from it quite casually and easily.
    In the case of Christianity, this makes sense. After all, the symbol of our faith is an ancient method of torture and execution and Jesus said that following him would be like picking up your own cross as he did. Being a Christian isn’t supposed to be easy so if we continue to attempt to draw people in by reducing the cost of what it means to be a Christian, we’ll continue to set people up for disappointment by a counterfeit religion that does little to impact their lives.
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Комментарии • 11 тыс.

  • @BrianHoldsworth
    @BrianHoldsworth  6 лет назад +526

    There have been a few comments from people claiming that the real reason for Christianity's decline is because of the spread of science. I've, since, made a video that addresses that topic: ruclips.net/video/5KorkKjE7zA/видео.html

    • @teutonic7113
      @teutonic7113 6 лет назад +33

      Brian Holdsworth - I agree completely. The church has lost its worth by diluting its messaging and tradition. It also lacks the education of its adult members to engage them in the catechism. Once you complete CCD, you're pretty much on your own.

    • @esprit-critique
      @esprit-critique 6 лет назад +10

      And you are right about the strong tie between "modern science " and Christian theology as Rodney Stark (has explained in many books. One of the best on that topic is " For the Glory of God". And your explanation of the decline of Christianity in the West is very similar to the one Starks gives in one of his books. Bravo. You are doing a good job and I really like your videos. Although I have moved away from all the requirements of Christianity, I have fond memories of my Christian upbringing and it continues to influence my behavior often. And I am appalled by the incredible present ingratitude towards Christianity to which the West owes so much. Fortunately, researchers of the importance of Rodney Stark have begun to open our eyes and remind us of certain historical realities. He certainly helped to change my view of Christianity.

    • @christophekeating21
      @christophekeating21 6 лет назад +28

      Brian Holdsworth if your main argument: a religion that costs more is more successful were true, then Scientology actually would be the fastest growing religion in the world.

    • @BrianHoldsworth
      @BrianHoldsworth  6 лет назад +26

      It would if that were the entirety of my argument. This video is aimed, primarily, at a Christian audience, who has already adopted the notion that Christianity is true. So, it s the pairing of truth with the diligence of not watering down that truth that I'm arguing for here, in which case, the Scientology analogy doesn't work.

    • @christophekeating21
      @christophekeating21 6 лет назад +5

      Ok, right. Then I mostly agree. I would also say that it's when Christianity is not the cultural norm that it truly shines. I live in France, and I can see the dying out of much of the nominal cultural Roman Catholic world, and the living growth of Protestant Evangelical Churches, despite all of the cultural pressures against them. As the rabbi Gamaliel said, if it isn't of God, it will come to nothing.

  • @doctoryowan
    @doctoryowan 4 года назад +573

    Partially true: however, sexual and financial scandals too have played a dramatic role in eroding Church membership. The clergy ( especially Catholic) has lost much of its previous prestige. Not even the most traditionalist groups seem scandal- free nowadays

    • @samanthastudios618
      @samanthastudios618 4 года назад +34

      The sad thing: Its the way the culture has seeped into everything. Disgusting.

    • @mongolianfishingvillages1371
      @mongolianfishingvillages1371 3 года назад +29

      Islam will surpass christianity by 2035 as Christianity is dominant in places like Europe who's females are having less children

    • @cocococo8081
      @cocococo8081 3 года назад +4

      @@arolemaprarath6615 My point is that you were just assuming a whole lot of stuff which makes your estimate possibly inaccurate. But yeah I don't really have a good idea of either number of practicing Muslims or Christians.

    • @jamescam04
      @jamescam04 3 года назад +1

      @C Xtzin The OC is too liberal on marriage for me. At least *in theory* Rome isn’t, appallingly lax as it is in practice. I’m not convinced changelessnness is an ideal for a Church, though failthfulness to what one has received.

    • @jamescam04
      @jamescam04 3 года назад +2

      @@arolemaprarath6615 “Christian” countries will probably become Mahometan, while some Mahometan countries go atheistic. Atheism is probably where all countries will end up eventually, in the long run. And by then, Christianity will likely be long forgotten. All things die eventually - including religions. The question is whether these things happen in cycles. One of the recent developments is the revival of ancient pre-Christian religions - I wonder what will become of them. But once RCism dies, it can’t possibly come back, unless it is willing to drop/re-interpret its understanding of its doctrine of its Apostolicity & perpetuity & visibility. At present, it can with some show of plausibility claim to be in direct institutional continuity with the Church of the Apostles - if the CC ever dies, that continuity will be over, severed, done for, dead.

  • @Steven-se5jd
    @Steven-se5jd 2 года назад +96

    I went to a Christian private school as an international student in Chicago from 2008 - 2011. I had a horrible experience. For me, they are just a bunch of hypocrites. They can do all the big talk they want, but at the end of the day, action speak louder than words.

    • @aaronruss6331
      @aaronruss6331 10 месяцев назад +5

      What kind of argument is that? You expect them to be perfect and if there not perfect they are not allowed to make moral judgements? Hoe about any decision or judgement? Emotional?logical? Moral? Should they not be allowed to make it because they are human? Also what does that have to do with christ or the bible?

    • @blackmamba9950
      @blackmamba9950 9 месяцев назад +3

      ​@@aaronruss6331of course they are fallible but you can't discount the fact that the lessons from fallible people who don't walk the talk are often overlooked or not taken seriously

    • @Gofishefurwitz
      @Gofishefurwitz Месяц назад +1

      @@aaronruss6331 cope

  • @angievalful
    @angievalful 2 года назад +3

    Hello from Spain! You are absolutely right, I see this happening in Spain and I myself have experecied it...I love your channel, keep up the good work. Gld bless you!😇

  • @economiabohemia
    @economiabohemia 2 года назад +3

    Very happy to have found this channel. Thank you for your insight and knowledge. God bless you and yours.

  • @michaelfisher7170
    @michaelfisher7170 3 года назад +256

    It might also be pointed out that when churches run their operations in a corporate manner, concerned with the bottom line, like any large business, that for some of us creates an enormous gulf from what we expect a church to actually be.

    • @jamescam04
      @jamescam04 2 года назад +3

      Best comment in the thread.

    • @ninmarwarda5154
      @ninmarwarda5154 2 года назад +2

      100%

    • @AmitKumar-qz2us
      @AmitKumar-qz2us 2 года назад +8

      It is from the Bible that man has learned cruelty, rapine, and murder; for the belief of a cruel God makes a cruel man.
      Thomas Paine

    • @albertsmith6717
      @albertsmith6717 2 года назад +5

      @@AmitKumar-qz2us Thomas Paine was a satanist. Why should anyone care about what a satanist saids about God?

    • @AmitKumar-qz2us
      @AmitKumar-qz2us 2 года назад +1

      @@albertsmith6717 He was pure heart human...humanity love him....

  • @bprocks07
    @bprocks07 5 лет назад +356

    LLLOOOOK AT THIS PHOTOGRRRRAPH

    • @dowhateverfree
      @dowhateverfree 4 года назад +17

      I REMEMBER THE TIME THAT IT MAD ME LAUGH. AND HOW DID OUR EYES GET SO RED? AND WHAT THE HELL IS THAT ON JIMMY'S HEAD

    • @bprocks07
      @bprocks07 4 года назад +4

      @@dowhateverfree lolz holy shit i forgot all about this video. thank you for your comment and bringing me back to this so i coul--- THIS IS WHERE I WENT TO SCHOOL I NEVER SOMETHIN-SOMETHIN-SOMETHIN BEEN THAT COOL...AND SOMEONE SAID SOMETHIN-SOMETHIN IN HIGHSCHOOL THEN, AND WHAT THE HELL IS STILL ON JIMMY'S HEAD OOOOOOOHHHHH EVERY MEMORY LOOKIN OUT THE FROONT DOOOOOOORRRRRR

    • @wpprodpyc9266
      @wpprodpyc9266 4 года назад +4

      LMAO

    • @xDELFYonceagain
      @xDELFYonceagain 3 года назад +6

      Why is this so funny? 😂

    • @bprocks07
      @bprocks07 3 года назад +2

      @@xDELFYonceagain it’s just universal law ... it MUST be funny therefore it IS funny 😏

  • @ekulio
    @ekulio 2 года назад +19

    I think there is truth to this idea - as someone whose whole life was built around my faith for 33 years and was incredibly invested before losing my faith, I would say that yes, the more you're invested in a belief or practice the harder it is to walk away. I spent two years trying to convince myself it was true, begging God to reveal himself to me and show me he was there. However, I wouldn't say this is the reason people are leaving. I think the spread of information, especially via the internet, is really the root cause.

    • @davidbolen8982
      @davidbolen8982 2 года назад +3

      Completely agree. People want truth and facts. Most of humanity will always wonder about life after death, god, profits, transcendence, but passing “one religion,” as “the truth,” is somewhat childish and creepy. I’ve been praying most of my life, but never accepted any religious version of god as anything but man made fables adopted from older man made fables. I have no idea what I am praying to, but don’t really care. The simple act of prayer to be better, for all people to be better, more content and peaceful, seems to work wonders.

    • @Musashination
      @Musashination Год назад

      @@davidbolen8982 Chesterton mate.

  • @MarinaPier77
    @MarinaPier77 2 года назад +1

    You have a gift for teaching. Thanks for your preparedness in speaking on important topics. Love the channel.

    • @albazi4745
      @albazi4745 2 года назад

      Watch this completely please.
      ruclips.net/video/q0WSzqnJzRo/видео.html

  • @nicholasdefilippis6186
    @nicholasdefilippis6186 4 года назад +425

    I know I'm late to the game on this, but here is my input. My family is Catholic. I grew up Catholic. But my family didn't take it all that seriously. The church I went to didn't do a good job of educating children about what Catholics actually believe. When I was 16 I fell away. I didn't set foot in a Catholic church for 12 years at least. I didn't even really know what Christians believed. Why? Because the loudest Christian voices I heard weren't educated, theologically trained people. No, no. They were the type of people who would show up on college campuses waving signs about how you're going to hell if you don't believe EXACTLY as they do. All I heard was "so and so musician sold their soul to the devil, their music is Satanic." That sort of crazy stuff. And because I wasn't properly educated, I thought pretty much all of Christianity was the same and they only really differed on the Pope or Purgatory. It wasn't until my mid 20s that I realized "Protestant" was an umbrella term for all kinds of different churches. I honestly thought there was a leader of all the Protestants and there were church buildings that just said "Protestant Church" on them.
    If you want to stop the decline of Christianity, start educating people better. Then get a larger megaphone for the theologically trained and educated types so they can drown out the crazies who keep telling everyone they're going to hell for dying their hair.

    • @lydiapetra1211
      @lydiapetra1211 3 года назад +29

      There's the Bible... God's Inerrant Word.... people need to study it...not expect others to teach them!
      Ultimately everyone is responsible for their own souls and lives.

    • @nicholasdefilippis6186
      @nicholasdefilippis6186 3 года назад +21

      @@christiankhoury9343 I considered coming back last year, but I decided to join the Eastern Orthodox Church instead. I don't want to go back to Catholicism after the way my family treated me growing up. I don't want to be reminded of them, and I don't want to make them happy.

    • @heroesgrantorino
      @heroesgrantorino 3 года назад +9

      Id argue its the history actually, the church has always supported the war spreaders. Did the church get in their way? Did they protest? Or did they simply call it God's work like all the pedophiles who work for the church today. If they did nothing how can you call them people with good souls?? A kind hearted soul would have died to stop them. I guess if you pay the church enough gold they will be happy right? Or build the fanciest buildings on top of ancient sacred locations. Or maybe you can really keep the church out of interfereing by simply protecting their child loving servants??? Wake up my friend. Have you heard the news? The system lies

    • @abraham8565
      @abraham8565 3 года назад

      Lol. I thought usually imam, ulama, ustaz (islamic priest) that love to say about hell but Christian too😂

    • @amyhizenski9773
      @amyhizenski9773 3 года назад +10

      The roots of education begin in your home and the responsibility is with the parents, first and foremost. So many catechism teachers, Catechists, are used as the 'family' to teach the child everything in the classroom setting when the parents and family do not practice actively as part of their lives. The parents just drop them off and expect it to happen like magic when they are not leading the family as the primary teachers of the faith. It's like dropping your kid off for 8th grade Sacrament of Confirmation prep and they have not practiced the faith since they received their First Holy Communion 6 years before; you wouldn't take Calculus after only having first grade math!

  • @stevenvelez1717
    @stevenvelez1717 3 года назад +180

    I’m not Catholic, but this is exactly what Jordan Peterson brings up with Bishop Barron in their recent talk a couple of weeks ago. It’s so interesting but true.

    • @JoshMcSwain
      @JoshMcSwain 2 года назад +8

      It's true. Making it too easy. It's an odd balance to strike because I think the church wants all people to know they can come to Christ as they are. But what happens next?

    • @karenc2844
      @karenc2844 2 года назад +21

      Sadly, Bishop Barron is part of the watering down of our faith... instead of promoting "hope" we can all make it to heaven he should be teaching the road is narrow, and I would argue that if all it took was a little bit of hope, Jesus' excruciating death was unnecessary.... but it wasn't...His excruciating death was necessary bc our sins were, are, and will continue to be so offensive to God, and are leading us down the wide road and Bishop Barron's soft stand on this subject is doing nothing to properly shepherd his flock, for which, sadly, he will suffer as well as those who are listening to him.

    • @vivacristorey8302
      @vivacristorey8302 2 года назад +1

      Two of my favorite people

    • @antoniogracia719
      @antoniogracia719 2 года назад +4

      Christianity will never be over it'll be fulfilled.

    • @Odo-so8pj
      @Odo-so8pj 2 года назад +3

      Please stay away from the false prophet.

  • @KehindeAdeoya
    @KehindeAdeoya 2 года назад +71

    I just went to a church today, and appalled how empty it is. I presently live in Hilversum, Netherlands. This is not only happening in the West, it's creeping into Africa as well.

    • @masklotos1627
      @masklotos1627 2 года назад +14

      Try the mosque

    • @addeade231
      @addeade231 2 года назад

      Where in Africa are you from?

    • @7788Sambaboy
      @7788Sambaboy 2 года назад +4

      thank god!

    • @Xaviallin1
      @Xaviallin1 2 года назад +15

      Christianity has officially reached its peak. Now it is going down as time passes

    • @charlottexroyalty7819
      @charlottexroyalty7819 Год назад +25

      So you are apalled that people can educate themselves on topics like Evolution and therefore stop believing in these ridiculous fairy tales?

  • @bestpossibleworld2091
    @bestpossibleworld2091 2 года назад +2

    This is right on the money. Sociologically, it is the concept of high boundaries. Organizations that are difficult to get into and difficult to stay in are the ones that tend to survive and thrive. Easy in leads to easy out.
    When the church does not have clear boundaries from the world, it sends a message that it is essentially a social, feel-good club. Conversely, when the church has strong theological and moral expectations, people will be repelled by this but those who adhere to the church will tend to be very highly motivated. This is why the Latin Mass is growing.

  • @llongone2
    @llongone2 6 лет назад +1090

    Christianity is an old, outdated, unchanging story in a new, progressing, dynamic world.

    • @mordechaimordechai
      @mordechaimordechai 6 лет назад +221

      llongone2 Church is old and unchanging because it has God and man in it, because it deals with eternity. While the world is quickly and dynamically going to shit, because it deals with futility. I think we can see where we are ''progressing'' to.

    • @cherrykalathoti4611
      @cherrykalathoti4611 6 лет назад +17

      False, it is growing ever so , a growin g interest for som ething from the 1st B.C

    • @davidhenry352
      @davidhenry352 6 лет назад +86

      llongone2 it's not old, it's timeless.

    • @joanne8987
      @joanne8987 6 лет назад +42

      Agreed, David. Timeless is such a beautiful word... probably because it means that not everything is a fad or whim and that there are truths we can count on.

    • @seanmichaels8060
      @seanmichaels8060 6 лет назад +19

      People know more about history and anthropology these days. This includes the origins of Yahweh as a pagan desert deity from Israel and Midian.

  • @jbdrizzle6722
    @jbdrizzle6722 3 года назад +19

    Totally agree! Investment breeds investment. You see this in every aspect of life yet the moment we start talking about spirituality we act like like this no longer applies. Thanks for making this video Brian!

    • @sarahnade8663
      @sarahnade8663 2 года назад

      No, this is called manipulation. You are advocating people being emotional and mentally manipulated into staying with the church cause they've already invested so much into it.
      It's THIS attitude you are showing off! Where you are happily committing evil in the name of supposedly "saving" people that is killing your religion!

  • @AlDunbar
    @AlDunbar 2 года назад +1

    I recently learned about Goodhart's law: "when a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure".
    I found this to apply to some organizations I was involved in, specifically that we tried to measure our success by the extent of buy-in we could generate often as represented as attendance at our events, rather than their applicability of our services to the members.
    I think this may be somewhat at play here as well.

  • @bisvizstudio1242
    @bisvizstudio1242 2 года назад +7

    That's a really good analogy to be honest. So other conclusion might be "the churches did changes the rule to make it easy to be a Christian with the intention to retain followers, yet that effort seems to be a wrong decision causing a lot of people don't care about the religion."
    The problem is at the church. Shouldn't change anything at the first place. Just preach whatever in the bible. That's basically what Islam teaches. Muslim scholars teach whatever the Qur'an say and whatever Prophet Muhammad said to the Muslims. Not adding or subtracting anything from it.

  • @gizzy2403
    @gizzy2403 5 лет назад +10

    100% agreed! Ur right on every word man! As I've grown older, I've noticed that people that aren't disciplined jus seem to wander around mostly depressed and seemingly lost. My wife and I speak of this often. As she is a nurse/c.o. in a fed. Med. Prison. She's tough on every patient/ inmate under her area. And u know what, they freakin luv her 4 it!! They tell her all th time " ur tough, but ur fair to each 1 of us and u don't play favs." A black shot caller on her area told her also " I'm glad u keep them inline, they need it! An if shit ever goes sideways in here, we got ur back." I really think th sad but true moral of this story is that when people are free 2do anything, they end up doing nothing!

  • @AtheistEdge
    @AtheistEdge 6 лет назад +1252

    This is a net positive, as Christianity is retarding human progress.

    • @levisando
      @levisando 6 лет назад +339

      Someone needs to read some history.

    • @CornerTalker
      @CornerTalker 5 лет назад +169

      But the question remains: Progressing toward what? I usually find that people enamored of the words "Progress" and "Progressive" intend that humankind progress toward Marxism. With history in mind, I find that retrogressive.

    • @souhachalhoub1622
      @souhachalhoub1622 5 лет назад +43

      Atheist Edge Faith is a psychological support that every human needs and Christianity seems to be the best doctrine respecting human, try to live in church to find your serenity, it's for your own good

    • @boomslang2681
      @boomslang2681 5 лет назад +203

      as Christianity declines, human progress declines.

    • @Maximus01776
      @Maximus01776 5 лет назад +23

      Atheist Edge yes, like evolution ain't retarded, lol atheist don't learn

  • @lucybear5600
    @lucybear5600 2 года назад +1

    I’m glad I clicked on this. It wasn’t what I was looking for. I was looking for “Why I Left Christianity” videos and this one popped up with them. This was a good watch. 👍🏼

  • @dmark1922
    @dmark1922 2 года назад +9

    I feel this video told me almost nothing about the question being begged; which is, WHY is the "watering down" occurring in the first place? Absolute strictness in adhering to tradition can have its points, but in these days where we have a choice of where we worship (unlike older Europe did in its past), such strictness can also attract certain types for the wrong reasons and are not always healthy alternatives. I don't have the answers; and I also can understand how it's foolish to think a 6-minute video can help me to even begin to find an answer, but thanks for trying.

    • @TheresaReichley
      @TheresaReichley 2 месяца назад +1

      I think that’s an appeal to the very casualized culture around us. And it happens with a lot of things. We don’t hold people to anything because somehow the west has internalized the idea that demands for quality are going to scare people away. It’s true of almost anything. You don’t enforce dress standards because you are afraid of people not coming. Or you don’t insist on quality art before joining an art club, because you want people to come. But nobody gets anything from things that have no standards.

    • @dmark1922
      @dmark1922 2 месяца назад

      @@TheresaReichley Truer words never spoken!

  • @teresagabriela1794
    @teresagabriela1794 4 года назад +299

    I feel the same way. I am a cradle Catholic that only viewed my faith as just family tradition and until my late 20's I came back to the Sacraments, I use a veil at Mass and Adoration and I have been talked down for it. I had a conversion in my own faith and changed my life around, and them my lifestyle, my attire, etc. I wish my parish would not be so protestant and be more of what we are Catholics. They have told us not to kneel during consecration, and we should not be wearing a veil, etc. I pray for my parish and my priest every day. 🙏

    • @Peter-kl8jg
      @Peter-kl8jg 4 года назад +26

      "I use a veil at Mass and Adoration and I have been talked down for it"
      I would have admired you for it and agree with the rest of your comments. God Bless.

    • @mongolianfishingvillages1371
      @mongolianfishingvillages1371 3 года назад +11

      Islam will surpass christianity by 2035 as Christianity is dominant in places like Europe who's females are having less children

    • @mongolianfishingvillages1371
      @mongolianfishingvillages1371 3 года назад +3

      @Lara Gravenor Islam will surpass christianity by 2035 as Christianity is dominant in places like Europe who's females are having less children

    • @Palestine4Ever169
      @Palestine4Ever169 3 года назад +4

      Teresa Patino
      Wow you really close to truth you love doing some things that was ordered by God (not the church)
      I pray that allah to guide you to the truth

    • @anonymousjohnson976
      @anonymousjohnson976 3 года назад

      @luffy 👒👒 Yes, they are going from one cult to another.

  • @BigLewBBQ
    @BigLewBBQ 5 лет назад +59

    Wow! That was very insiteful. I'm a devout Baptist,. My mother is Catholic, my father Baptist. I went to Catholic school. As a young man I did a lot of study about what I should and shouldn't believe. I invested a lot of time and energy studying church history (and not just from my Catholic school religion class perspective), the Bible and various doctrines that separate Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Mainline protastant and Evangelical Churches. I knew and believed Christ's resurrection was indeed an historical fact. That his death was not in vain and his Resurrection prooved it. But why the divisions, schisms, and different doctrines that divide denominations? Because mankind is finite, and we try to comprehend the incomprehensible God. Also because mankind is fallen we are sinners in need of a sinless saviour. We are finite sinners trying to obey and follow, the best way our consciences will allow, an infinite and Holy Lord.
    In the end, by my late twenties, I knew I would be Baptist, and lead my family and rear my children as Baptists. I'm now forty-eight years old I continue to study and learn. My faith is valuable to me, I have invested heavily in it, it is worth everything. You and I have different theological and denominational beliefs,. but you are oh so right on this point. I agree wholeheartedly with you here.
    If one thinks that Jesus is risen indeed, then he/she needs to find out why. Jesus paid with his life and blood, therefore what should one's Christianity cost?
    I so enjoyed this, thank you.

    • @TheMrpalid
      @TheMrpalid 2 года назад +2

      How did the real Jesus of Nazareth get transformed into the mythical Jesus Christ?
      Pretty much started with the “apostle” Paul, stirring up trouble in his attempt to create a new religion. Completed by Constantine at the Council of Nicaea, 325 CE.
      Jesus was a perfect candidate to be at the center of this new religion. Initially just another “pretender to the throne” of Israel, the rightful heir according to his Hasmonean lineage, proclaimed the Messiah, like many others before and after him.
      And like the others he made his bid to usurp the Roman authorities and 
assume the position of King and High Priest of Israel, which, like all the others, failed.
      What made Jesus special is that he escaped execution by staging his crucifixion.
He survived, when all the others were put to death by Rome. But a secret that big would be hard to keep. Surely he was at times recognized and over the years the gossip about him took on monumental form.
      “I seen him feed 5000 people one time.”
“I seen him walk on water.”
“I…I saw him raise the dead!”
“Surely he was the son of God!”
“He was God incarnate!”
All manner of miracle and impossible feat were attributed to him. None of them with any basis in reality, of course.
      Yet one thing could not be denied. He was alive. He did survive the “crucifixion.”
How he survived was a closely guarded secret. Paul wasn’t in on it, so he felt free to create the resurrection myth. Something worthy of the central figure in his new religion, plus, he (Paul) could now put words in his mouth.
      Paul can have Jesus, after the resurrection, say take the gospel to the Gentiles, spread it throughout the land. When in fact Jesus was concerned only with his lost sheep of Israel and, while alive, preached against just such behavior.
      Paul had no luck preaching to the Jews and was pretty much forced to deal 
with the Gentiles, so it was imperative that He have Jesus instruct others to do the same. The whole circumcision business was a bit too messy for Paul also, so he had Jesus proclaim baptism as the way to go. Something Jesus never practiced while alive.
      All these things, taken together, was the creation of the mythological Jesus.
But there was so much and so diverse and so confusing that finally, over a couple hundred years later, Constantine got all the bishops from the different sects together at the Council of Nicaea, 325 CE. to decide a creed that could be agreed upon.
      This was where it was decided that Jesus was in fact, divine, the son of God. (Though it should be noted- the vote was not unanimous.) And all the stories and writings were gone through, most tossed out as apocrypha, the remainder set in book form, 50 copies made and given to each bishop to take back to their respective territories, so that all could preach a uniform canon, and voila-
The New Testament is born.
      A wholly mythological text appropriated by the Romans to use as a tool to control and manipulate the masses for the last 1700 years. Extremely effective.

    • @gizellelouis5066
      @gizellelouis5066 2 года назад +2

      @@TheMrpalid Sure! I thought the masses were already controlled by the Romans?
      Unless the historians are wrong, they blamed Christianity on the demise of Rome, so how did the control part come into play?
      Newsflash, every super power make their conquered areas adopt their religion, so why would the Romans need to create a 'mythical Jesus' for further domination?
      Paul being a faithful and fervent follower of the Jewish religion, wanted to stir up trouble so that he would spend the rest of his life in tribulation and then executed?
      You seem to know a lot about what Jesus practiced, were you with the ' non mythical Jesus'? Just curious!
      Mythical Jesus? Hmmmm, just like your mythical intelligence?

    • @twenty-fivethirty-six3946
      @twenty-fivethirty-six3946 2 года назад

      The doctrines and traditions of men contain enough truth to allow the enemy to lead us away from the narrow path just far enough, that our pride will keep us from seeking the way back. As a result, most Christians are unable to express or experience the fullness of the Father’s love. Break free of your denominational doctrines and consume the Word of God! Visit our channel to watch our video called: "Walking in the Spirit and Truth", where we explore what it means to be the type of worshiper the Father seeks, one who worships in the Spirit AND Truth (John 4:23). Blessings!

    • @joannechisholm4501
      @joannechisholm4501 2 года назад

      The good news its dying good ridence

    • @steve19811
      @steve19811 Год назад

      If you have to study the Bible for years then you're missing the mark on the simplicity of what it is tying to tell you.
      You are creating your own reality and when your life sucks and you face obstacles to what you want then you'll realize you'll need to surrender to god's love to improve your life and transcend your conditioned ego. That simple folks....

  • @DJHastingsFeverPitch
    @DJHastingsFeverPitch 2 года назад +1

    You make a good point, that in a more permissive environment, people feel more permission to investigate or question the doctrine that they believe and either revise or reject it. Additionally, I know that correlation isn't causation, but I would guess that the internet has a lot to do with it. Whereas in the past, if people had doubts, they might talk to their local clergy, or take a trip to the library. Now, if someone has a doubt, they have ready access to a literal world of information which can lead to much more profound doubts and/or total erosion of their faith.

    • @bluBlaq33
      @bluBlaq33 Год назад

      Keep people stupid is the name game of your faith. More information means less blind faith. Is the Devil is Knowledge destroying “belief” than I am a fan.

  • @CSUnger
    @CSUnger 2 года назад

    Was invited once to a Christian seminar wherein a video was shown with a minister I had never seen before preaching that we are making it too difficult for outsiders to come into the Church and we need to make it simpler. After the video, there was a discussion period where everyone was in agreement with his thesis. (If it’s in a book or on a video it seems to infer some worst of authority, I guess) After listening to the speeches and not being able to take it anymore, I spoke up and suggested that this man’s idea was 180 degrees out of reality and, not that we need to make it more difficult, but that we need to stress the importance of understanding the commitment and to make sure that anyone wishing to “be saved” be willing to make that commitment. The ensuing disagreements, including from pastors, spoke volumes about the direction the Church is heading.
    This young man, although I do not share his Theology, has it exactly correct.

  • @lemonprime7889
    @lemonprime7889 4 года назад +19

    When I saw what direction the video was going in, I thought that Brian would talk about putting a price on the Eucharist.

  • @troig43
    @troig43 6 лет назад +723

    'A lighthouse is more useful than a church'
    - Benjamin Franklin

    • @johnhardin2269
      @johnhardin2269 6 лет назад +35

      He also belonged to the Hell Fire Club, an association of reprobates. I wonder if he still sings that tune in Hell? Personally I like him, but the gate to Hell is damned wide.

    • @troig43
      @troig43 6 лет назад +108

      @John Hardin. Well, I don't think he sings much of anything being dead. He is not in hell because hell doesn't exist. Nor heaven. His bones turn to dust, as will yours, as will mine.

    • @cptmorgan2523
      @cptmorgan2523 6 лет назад +5

      Yea, he’s in hell alright, if by hell you mean the English pagan thought of the land for all dead that has neither pains nor joys. Yknow kinda like sheol

    • @troig43
      @troig43 6 лет назад +35

      @CptMorgan. Think back to 3 or 4 or 600,000 years before you were born. That's what death is like.

    • @cptmorgan2523
      @cptmorgan2523 6 лет назад +3

      SACRED ANUS I’m only mentioning how hell wasn’t always a place a fire, it used to be accurate to what death really is

  • @lambharoy9186
    @lambharoy9186 2 года назад +8

    I'm a Protestant Christian from India. I agree with you 💯 percent.Thank you so much. Protestant churches and the Catholic Church too have so much to learn from this video. God bless you Brian Holdsworth. Keep making such valuable videos.

    • @vinitadidwania4697
      @vinitadidwania4697 2 года назад

      You are not indian brother you are slave without his master

  • @scipio7837
    @scipio7837 Год назад +1

    I would fast from Good Friday until the Easter Feast after Mass. My health doesn't allow such a strict adherence anymore, but I do miss it. I still practice the "Great Lent" and forgo something like all caffeine or meat, but it's an individual choice as to what he or she holds with some value

  • @dimix2199
    @dimix2199 5 лет назад +384

    Even though I'm Atheist, I don't like seeing some of the comments. I thought this was a great analogy and as a result a great video. A large part of a religion is tradition and repetition, so when that is taken seriously, its members will cling on to it more. I do believe, however, that there are more factors involved in the decline of christianity. The advent of modern day science is one of them. Anyway thanks for giving your perspective, it was interesting indeed.

    • @larrysilverstein8606
      @larrysilverstein8606 5 лет назад +4

      DIMIX thank you

    • @virgilthetraitor493
      @virgilthetraitor493 5 лет назад +33

      At least you're respectful.. I can't go anywhere anymore without one of my friends asking me about my "stupid" beliefs

    • @brunoandrespadillanavarro8923
      @brunoandrespadillanavarro8923 5 лет назад +14

      Thanks for being respectful.

    • @DrSniperLT
      @DrSniperLT 5 лет назад +42

      Atheist and polite in a Christian video comment section...?
      Christmas came early this year.

    • @matthewsteele99
      @matthewsteele99 5 лет назад +8

      Agreed as a fellow non believer

  • @peteroldwood5624
    @peteroldwood5624 5 лет назад +32

    This is very precious what you said and very eye-opening. I myself am an example of this. Some years ago our former Pastor retired and the new one is very liberal and I had to leave the church as I couldn't agree such lenient approach to Jesus teaching. My faith is still strong but I don't belong to any church now. I read the Bible.

    • @user-sd6lg8lf5c
      @user-sd6lg8lf5c 4 года назад

      Lol just leave it

    • @lydiapetra1211
      @lydiapetra1211 3 года назад

      All you need is Jesus and His Word the Bible!
      It's the fountain of all Truth!
      Also on RUclips. . please check out John MacArthur'...he is a true man of God who preached the Word!
      Also Irwin Lutzer!

    • @user-sd6lg8lf5c
      @user-sd6lg8lf5c 3 года назад +3

      @@christiankhoury9343 Wow. Are you another one of those Christians who only believes 'the good bits of the Bible'.

    • @giovanniledezma2202
      @giovanniledezma2202 2 года назад +4

      Go to a Catholic or Orthodox Church

  • @jonathanbell8887
    @jonathanbell8887 2 года назад +2

    I saw this title and was like whaaa??? Then I saw it was 4 years ago and I was like ohhhh.
    I see more and more people looking to Jesus recently in just this last year.

    • @kystro-rl1682
      @kystro-rl1682 2 года назад

      Christianity has declined even more over the past few years, there’s less and less people looking to Jesus.

    • @theknight8524
      @theknight8524 2 года назад

      @@kystro-rl1682 Not true i used to be an atheist and i converted to christianity...

    • @kystro-rl1682
      @kystro-rl1682 2 года назад

      @@theknight8524 You’re one person.

  • @pmccarthy001
    @pmccarthy001 2 года назад +1

    Yes, I think you've touched on a very important element in the decline of religion in the West. In fact, the more liberal Protestant denominations have seen huge declines in membership, those leaving either going to more conservative denominations or becoming atheist or agnostic, or one way or another, not identifying with any religious tradition. Even some of the mainstream denominations have seen significant declines, but denominations embracing conservative theologies even grow in membership. This is the part of the decline that you speak to here, but on the other side, there is a general, long-term, accelerating decline in religiosity. I think putting religion and science in some opposition to each other is a folly pursuit. The only question that really matters is whether or not people will continue to find important meaning in traditional religiosity, or not. Ultimately, it's just to what extent people assess traditional religiosity meets their needs to find meaning or if they find other mechanisms to find meaning in ways they feel are more suitable and appropriate for the modern world we see ourselves as living in today and our relation to that world.

  • @Hector-sp2hv
    @Hector-sp2hv 5 лет назад +134

    Agreed! The old saying,”Easy come, easy go.” would apply here.

    • @noahm44
      @noahm44 3 года назад +7

      CHRISTIANITY IS LEAVING BECAUSE WE ARE LIVING IN END TIMES. People reject Christ more than ever and the Bible makes it clear that these spirits grow stronger in the end times

    • @lenkasustackova4560
      @lenkasustackova4560 3 года назад +6

      @@noahm44 Christians are saying this for AGES

    • @individualthoughts4427
      @individualthoughts4427 3 года назад +5

      @@lenkasustackova4560 Yes because we don't know when will it come, and it is also to remind the younger christians about the end times

    • @hersheylindon7677
      @hersheylindon7677 3 года назад

      Jesus said he would come back 2000 years later it's now been over 2000 years, so he will come very soon

    • @Vampx
      @Vampx 3 года назад

      @@hersheylindon7677 where did he said that??

  • @funkyboy_22
    @funkyboy_22 3 года назад +19

    I visited Belgium a few years back and we ate in a Chinese restaurant for dinner. The people beside us, the average Belgian adults (a few of them were old) began looking and staring at us as my family and I decided to recite a prayer before the meal. A lot of their facial reactions were both of surprise and bewilderment as if we were performing some strange or foreign religious custom. It's appalling that the lack of religiosity in the West has declined to such a state that prayer before meals appears weird and strange to the eyes of the same people who helped its spread.

    • @brumboru
      @brumboru Год назад +3

      I live in 5he UK you would get some strange looks here too...

    • @brumboru
      @brumboru Год назад +1

      Lol

    • @feudinggreeks3316
      @feudinggreeks3316 10 месяцев назад

      @@brumboru U.K is melting into a cesspool. I feel sorry for the Welsh, Irish, Scottish. Your Protestant/Anglican kings fought for centuries against invaders and enemies, just to have your capital run by a Muslim that endorses shaming fellow citizens and persecuting good men who defend themselves against violent attacks.

    • @RealDexterMidnight
      @RealDexterMidnight 6 месяцев назад +2

      Becuse it's wird and you shoukd keep it at home

    • @luistorres6956
      @luistorres6956 4 месяца назад

      That's because Europeans are tired of being abused as cannon fodder for wars for their rich lords.

  • @melvinsaji2805
    @melvinsaji2805 2 года назад +2

    GOD BLESS YOU BROTHER ABUNDANTLY IN JESUS NAME AMEN 🙏❤️🙏
    LOVE FROM INDIAN SYRIAN CHRISTIAN ❤️☺️

  • @DanaClarkDana
    @DanaClarkDana Год назад +1

    I imagine your career will land firmly in apologetics, writing and/or speaking despite your excellent skills in design and videography. These videos you make are great and they're further underscored by the overall tone of authenticity and respect. Informally I find Catholic apologists generally tend towards this more often than our Protestant brethren; the tone and tactics seem more generally Christian in nature and are thus more compelling on another level (probably since it further resembles the Truth). Trent Horn and Brant Pitre are other good examples of this phenomenon.

  • @davidbrooksbank7444
    @davidbrooksbank7444 5 лет назад +77

    God bless you brother. Even knowing that we need to be part of a group in order to grow and develope some of us tread a lonely path but love the Lord. I hope to be together with others and soon

    • @mongolianfishingvillages1371
      @mongolianfishingvillages1371 3 года назад +5

      Islam will surpass christianity by 2035 as Christianity is dominant in places like Europe who's females are having less children

    • @stupidpark3494
      @stupidpark3494 3 года назад +3

      @@mongolianfishingvillages1371 why did you feel the need to respond like that?

    • @centurionyt4472
      @centurionyt4472 3 года назад +1

      Kenway Tree 1700's asatru is making a comeback in Iceland and parts of England and Norway, this is the belief in Norse mythology aka Viking religion, they’ve even started not he first temple in Iceland proving that people are Turning away from Christianity and moving back to there ancestors roots

    • @lydiapetra1211
      @lydiapetra1211 3 года назад +4

      @@centurionyt4472 actually it's not about a religion...it's not about Christianity...it's about a personal relationship with God through Jesus Christ.....

    • @rishabhraj5096
      @rishabhraj5096 3 года назад +2

      @@mongolianfishingvillages1371 Islam needs a scientific revolution to make people come out of the crap theories.

  • @melissahyatt7395
    @melissahyatt7395 6 лет назад +4

    Your amazing! Brilliant observation and discernment, great analogy. Thanks for sharing.

  • @sisterb8688
    @sisterb8688 7 месяцев назад

    How much do I appreciate you and your voice of reason and authentic faith. May Christ bless and fortify you.

  • @j.c.3800
    @j.c.3800 2 года назад +33

    Thanks Brian. 40 years ago my wife and I had our marriage turned around when we decided to act as if we believed. In a material sense, good things and bad things happened, but we tried to believe that God had a reason for them, and we learned about our moral deficits and we learned about the struggles of other people. I thank God that none of my plans to be someone successful never worked out.

    • @bpeditingcinematography2544
      @bpeditingcinematography2544 5 месяцев назад

      This is very sad to read. "We decided to act as if we believed." Ouch, that's got to hurt right in the faith, right?

  • @cxz0324888
    @cxz0324888 6 лет назад +8

    Very inspiring.Thank you for having reminded me of the beginning love for our faith.

  • @levisando
    @levisando 5 лет назад +9

    Went "black Friday" shopping today and nearly bought a pair of black & gum Vans... but opted for a better sale discount in the end

  • @kevinriley2261
    @kevinriley2261 2 года назад +35

    As a devout Catholic, I appreciate your videos.

  • @FriarJoe66
    @FriarJoe66 5 месяцев назад +2

    I think you’ve left out something important: the rise of a hyper-consumerist, work-obsessed culture. I think the church has given concessions precisely because this kind of lifestyle takes up so much time and energy in people’s lives, and they don’t even realize it. The church needs to articulate to people why this lifestyle is bad for them, and why their alternatives are better.

  • @madcavalier4769
    @madcavalier4769 5 лет назад +188

    Me: “Oh nice video. I wonder what the comment section looks like.”
    *A few seconds later*
    Me: “Welp now I have cancer.”

    • @lydiapetra1211
      @lydiapetra1211 3 года назад

      The Roman catholic church is a false pagan and apostate church and Cult that leads people to hell!
      All you need is Jesus Christ and His Word the Bible!
      Here's Truth:
      "cbcg.org Roman catholism vs Biblical Christianity"

    • @curbroadshow
      @curbroadshow 3 года назад +6

      @@lydiapetra1211
      Haha, it was the Romans that made up the cult of Jesus, turning him into a man-god-spirit thing, ever thought it’s you worshipping false idols?

    • @lydiapetra1211
      @lydiapetra1211 3 года назад +1

      @@curbroadshow The Bible is God's Word...and God the Creator is found in it... once you have a relationship with God your eyes will open up to who He is!

    • @curbroadshow
      @curbroadshow 3 года назад +2

      @@lydiapetra1211
      What colour is your Jesus?

    • @curbroadshow
      @curbroadshow 3 года назад +1

      Lydia Petra
      How could I have a relationship with your god? Where is he, why doesn’t your god show himself to me?

  • @michaeljohnston490
    @michaeljohnston490 5 лет назад +67

    What you’re talking about is the sunk cost fallacy, feeling you can’t just walk away from something you’ve invested a lot of time, blood, sweat and tears into. I have a Mormon friend who believes the church is a sham, but doesn’t leave because his entire life has been built on it

    • @XenophonQ
      @XenophonQ 5 лет назад +30

      It's a tool often used by cults.

    • @gilian2587
      @gilian2587 2 года назад

      @@MichaelTheophilus906 Same could be said for all of us, including you. If Yahweh is actually 'Baal' -- as many Torah associated sources of transcriptions indicate; then would worshipping the Canaanite God who was associated with child sacrifice by incineration really lead the God Fearing, deluded Christian to heaven? I very much doubt it.

    • @jordysavage3363
      @jordysavage3363 2 года назад +2

      Ex Mormon here yeah I know a lot of people in that situation

    • @gilian2587
      @gilian2587 2 года назад +4

      @@jordysavage3363 I suspect it is similar for many catholics as well.

    • @Tyler_W
      @Tyler_W Год назад +1

      Right, that's not a healthy foundation upon which to build commitment to anything.

  • @rodpruitt8926
    @rodpruitt8926 2 года назад +1

    SPOT ON MY DUDE! Thax for the encouragement.

  • @bpeditingcinematography2544
    @bpeditingcinematography2544 5 месяцев назад +2

    The world is more connected than ever and the place for a God to exist in day-today life is shrinking. God is a concept that is thankfully no longer required to survive and understand this place or keep us connected to likeminded people. God was the path of least resistance for a long time, but that time has passed. People don't need it like they once did and if our luck holds, they won't in the future.

  • @tr9809
    @tr9809 3 года назад +7

    Amen, and I say that as an Anglican. Bonhoeffer called it 'cheap grace'

  • @Babby6010
    @Babby6010 3 года назад +96

    This is the first video of yours I've found a few years ago when I became Christian. I just read the cost of discipleship by bonhoefer and his teaching on cheap grace and now im in love with your channel and am considering becoming catholic. So glad I found this again. God bless

    • @xmuhmd
      @xmuhmd 3 года назад +6

      Islam is the logical next step after christianity, just as the christianity was the logical next step after judaism
      I hope you will read Quran to discover the truth about prophet jesus and God who prophet jesus himself prayed to.. In Bible.. And sure Satan will not makes it easy for you.. But Ask God for guidance to find the truth..
      I know it is not about the topic
      But I want to convey the
      message for you
      And I want you in hevean with me and with our prophet jesus..
      And it is your decision!
      May God bless and guide you🌹

    • @Christian-hi2uc
      @Christian-hi2uc 3 года назад +1

      In christian just be your self.. love God and other with all your heart.. happiness and blessing from God is always with you and fam.. GBU..

    • @Christian-hi2uc
      @Christian-hi2uc 3 года назад +5

      Islam@@xmuhmd is not logical to me my friend.. muhammad really bad shepherd.. he believes in paganism rocks hajar aswad can erase sins too bro..
      Jesus Inside Father and Father inside Jesus (JOHN 14÷9-11)..
      I don't hate muslim you know.. you are my neighbours.. but i really don't agree with muhammad teachings..

    • @momosaidnineisfine2194
      @momosaidnineisfine2194 2 года назад +1

      Just believe in Humanity, god is just a plague

    • @thetavibes9021
      @thetavibes9021 2 года назад +2

      @@momosaidnineisfine2194 Humanity is a plague, god is just a catalyst.

  • @loreanrivera9895
    @loreanrivera9895 2 года назад

    Wow. Totally gonna quote you on that last sentence. Couldn't agree more

  • @SteveIronside
    @SteveIronside 8 месяцев назад

    The truth holds up to scrutiny. Honest investigation into your beliefs leads to awareness of reality.

  • @tonyjames9016
    @tonyjames9016 3 года назад +17

    I have recently come back to Roman Catholicism, or Catholicism in general from Orthodoxy. I had converted not liking what happened to my Catholic Church looking for answers in Orthodoxy but all the while learned that I was missing out on my own Catholic faith, And figured out that if all good Catholics leave in the church will be left is nothing more than a hollow shell.I have since found a fraternity of Saint Peter Parish where I live that is very traditional, and I couldn’t agree with you more and your point! I have found joy in the Catholic Church and true universality, all through it’s traditions and maintaining the traditions. Thank you so much for this!

    • @barneymagoo1443
      @barneymagoo1443 2 года назад

      The Catholic religion is probably one of the most evil organisations ever to exist

  • @emmalee9747
    @emmalee9747 4 года назад +16

    I am really enjoying your videos. Really thoughtful and cerebral insights into the Catholic Faith. You have given me lots of aha moments and I appreciate that.

    • @albazi4745
      @albazi4745 2 года назад

      Watch this completely please.
      ruclips.net/video/q0WSzqnJzRo/видео.html

  • @daveperryman291
    @daveperryman291 2 года назад

    True spiritual discernment is not knowing right from wrong, but knowing right from almost right.
    You're almost right.

    • @jordannewberry9561
      @jordannewberry9561 2 года назад

      Ah Dave from the RUclips comments got it all figured out. Teach us your wisdom Dave.

  • @dr.ayodelerenner9353
    @dr.ayodelerenner9353 2 года назад +8

    In Nigeria, we still hold pretty fast to the old ways. In the Lagos diocese, the days of obligation are the feast of the immaculate conception, ascension, the nativity, and the feast of all saints day. If there are no kneelers you kneel on the floor.

    • @empressatheism5146
      @empressatheism5146 3 месяца назад

      Nigeria is for cavemen

    • @Rynewulf
      @Rynewulf 3 месяца назад

      Youre Nigerian thats not your old ways. Those are the ways a British army officer made you do at gunpoint. For goodness sake

  • @bmi9198
    @bmi9198 5 лет назад +31

    Your example in the beginning seems to be a pretty simple situation: you're balls deep in consumerist mindset.

    • @gallanonim3328
      @gallanonim3328 3 года назад +6

      It's funny that you pretend to being above it.

    • @solamano7239
      @solamano7239 2 года назад +5

      He speaks to a consumerist public of which I am part. Perhaps growing a vegetable patch would be a better analogy. When you sow seeds and run outside every morning to make sure your seedlings are growing, protecting them from wind, heat/cold and rain and and then from the birds and the bugs, you really do appreciate your harvest. When you buy a bag of spinach in the store and it goes bad at the back of your refrigerator, it's a case of 'just dump it'. Easy come, easy go. It's about commitment.

  • @jamesgossweiler1349
    @jamesgossweiler1349 5 лет назад +102

    Christianity has waxed and waned throughout time...to state "It's dying" is an unlikely prediction. The interest in practicing Christianity in China is so strong now the government has had to crack down on it. The real reason Christianity is waning now is because people learn about God during hard times, not easy times. And, my friends, we are in extremely easy times right now historically. Although I'm sure this poster is a affable chap, he quite young and thus has quite a but more to see in life. I'd like to see his take on Christianity when he's 75. There's an old saying, "People don't need Jesus until he is all they have left." His comment "the last 50 years have been characterized by a trend of relaxation in practices and teachings of the faith by it’s leaders" is spot on, however. Studies today show that people are more attracted to churches with conservative values than liberal ones. I don't believe "the spread of science" impacts Christianity at all...your average US citizen is no Isaac Newton...

    • @jamesgossweiler1349
      @jamesgossweiler1349 5 лет назад +9

      Yes, these are easy times. When you have some free time, watch videos of Nazi concentration camps, videos of Hiroshima after the bomb, view photos of dead WWII and Civil War soldiers, and the list goes on and on. Yes, times now are easy. That being said, I agree with you on most of your other comments. Sadly, I agree that "fire" may be what's needed to "reboot" this world.

    • @legalfictionnaturalfact3969
      @legalfictionnaturalfact3969 5 лет назад +8

      easy times... no. not at all. you must be very privileged. christianity is indeed dying. check the stats.

    • @babushkadoll7959
      @babushkadoll7959 5 лет назад +7

      @@legalfictionnaturalfact3969 maybe in western Europe but it's growing in Africa ,Asia and Russia .christianity in Russia in the 90's was 34% but now it's above 70% same with Ukraine less than 35% in the 90's now above 80%.

    • @legalfictionnaturalfact3969
      @legalfictionnaturalfact3969 5 лет назад +4

      @@babushkadoll7959 but overall worldwide, it's dying.

    • @drooskie9525
      @drooskie9525 5 лет назад +15

      @@legalfictionnaturalfact3969 It is only dying in the West, but it is growing everywhere else.
      Christianity suffered through many historical attempts at trying to be silenced and eradicated, but it only pushed back hard each time. It had centuries of its ups and downs. It is not a religion you're going to kill. Not with a message that it preaches to people.

  • @katkat2340
    @katkat2340 2 года назад +5

    So so true ! Today this was my thought about our churches and the Priesthood. I’m just a very average person with an average typical family. But my thoughts went to the Priests from India that are sent here, and they are so different in such a good way. I don’t want to idealize anyone as we are all human . But could it be ? That their parents so fully believed and lived the truth of their faith that they passed on the faith not only to their good sons, but to us ?
    Believers are needed not just to fill churches but fill hearts and minds. Maybe the most powerful thing a parent can do is to sincerely go down on their knees in church before the Lord in truest faith and let your child see that.
    We want education and hockey and dance but what about truly wanting children with good good hearts , holy minds and instill service to God?
    There is something so different and wonderful about faith filled people . Truly all hope is not lost if we can still receive Mass from such sent individuals.
    Truly take a good look at where and who are Priests are coming from…
    Such a gift

  • @arthurcullen4956
    @arthurcullen4956 2 года назад

    Agree ! When we work for something it’s more Gratifying 🤝🙏

  • @pauld7522
    @pauld7522 5 лет назад +15

    Great perspective! If you invest in something that is important to you, your involvement will remain strong. If the thing you do requires little effort, your attachment will be weak and you will drop it with very little pretense..

  • @kaibaCorpHQ
    @kaibaCorpHQ 5 лет назад +12

    4:55 It sounds like Apple
    Jokes aside it sounds like everything is polarizing; the economic middle class is disappearing, the broader Christian Church is apparently disappearing...more things I can't really think of...

  • @MissCase530
    @MissCase530 6 месяцев назад

    This aligns 100% with everything I've seen. People want lines drawn, they need it just like a kid needs a stern parent. The "everyone goes to heaven" thing that I've heard clergy pronounce gives people the idea that "hey, I'm saved so why do I need to go to church" which, after that comes apathy and heresy. Even worse, it makes the very simple and clear message of Christ into a vague, ecumenical sludge where if it feels good to you, its ok.

  • @morganmerritt5006
    @morganmerritt5006 2 года назад +7

    Another problem is they have been saying for thousands of years God would fix things to the point people have gotten tired of waiting.

  • @joekraimer5379
    @joekraimer5379 6 лет назад +6

    liked looking at your bookshelf. Can't go wrong with those books.

  • @ukerkater
    @ukerkater 5 лет назад +107

    Eastern Orthodoxy preserves the practices of the early Christians and in this way avoids diluting the spiritual healing promised by Christ through the Church. In comparison, western Christianity has shifted its focus on accommodating the comforts and whims of modern life, ironically to the detriment of the faithful.

    • @wms72
      @wms72 5 лет назад +5

      Eastern Orthodoxy lost North Africa and the Middle East long ago

    • @jacobraji2442
      @jacobraji2442 5 лет назад +15

      The amount of pressure on the western church is tremendously greater than that placed on the eastern churches, both Catholic and Orthodox denominations. The catholic church in the west is constantly in the spotlight, with enemies ready to pounce upon anything and everything. Due to this pressure, the older generation within the western church tried to water down tradition, "for the youth"- but the youth crave tradition and high worship. Hopefully this trend of modernism will stop ruining the church.

    • @DavidJones-ih1cp
      @DavidJones-ih1cp 5 лет назад +4

      @@wms72 - Yes, due to migration brought about through persecution and genocide. So not really an applicable point.

    • @raysalmon6566
      @raysalmon6566 4 года назад

      The faithful???

    • @raysalmon6566
      @raysalmon6566 4 года назад

      @@wms72
      There still is a lot of missionary work there

  • @daveward1484
    @daveward1484 2 месяца назад

    Thank you for the insights into what I've been puzzling over for the past 25 years. I'm 80 years old, the church has always been the central part of my life. Now I see the increasing accommodation of the current cultures living style. The traditional church I've always known and loved is almost gone.

  • @Nonplused
    @Nonplused 2 года назад

    Some good points. I have often wondered why parents get so exited by youth sports, but when you look at it through the lens of the amount of money and time they spend on it, it begins to make sense. I suppose it could be true of professional sports too, where fan loyalty arises from the amount of money and time invested in the team of their choosing.
    However I think it would be diabolical of the church to use this philosophy. Perhaps more time invested should be encouraged, but raising the cost of admission? Not sure.

  • @zakbrownrigg1
    @zakbrownrigg1 4 года назад +3

    Wow didn't expect to see my old spiritual director , fr Wong, when clicking on this video

  • @trlyons761
    @trlyons761 5 лет назад +5

    You sir own the greatest book ever written besides of course the Bible and perhaps the Church Fathers! I am of course speaking of The Everlasting Man by G.K. Chesterton. It is my favorite book, I have read it hundreds of times and honestly believe the errors in thinking many fall victim to would disappear if everyone was required to read this book at least ten times and study it chapter by chapter. Also a similar benefit could be achieved by reading another book I saw on your shelf, Orthodoxy also by Chesterton. I'm also convinced that this clarity of thought would virtually raise everyone's IQ score by at least fifteen points.

  • @Scourge1990
    @Scourge1990 7 месяцев назад +1

    “You either die with the past, or move with the future”

  • @marqgoldberg7454
    @marqgoldberg7454 2 года назад +5

    Looks like people are catching on, more and more, to the fact that Christianity makes no sense and is based on logical fallacies.

  • @kathinker7547
    @kathinker7547 5 лет назад +8

    Thank you
    ❤&🙏 from scotland

    • @vipinvnath4011
      @vipinvnath4011 4 года назад

      Your name should be Kathy or Cathy not Kathi

  • @JohnSmith-zo7ou
    @JohnSmith-zo7ou 4 года назад +14

    Fasting for lent has always made me feel connected to the observance of Easter. Eating fish on a Friday has never felt like fasting. What started as abstaining from meat on a Friday was gradually watered down to you must eat fish. Now even that has faded. The ritual of a family meal can play a central roll in bonding a family and making religion part of life. All that is required is a simple meal, no need to make fish compulsory. It could even be a meat and fish
    free meal (and no I am not a vegetarian). Fasting has the added benefit of focusing on what is important and acting as antidote to modern materialism.

    • @coyotebones1131
      @coyotebones1131 3 года назад +1

      John good on you! Fasting is a great way to see different angles on truth. Good travels brother

    • @BedboundME
      @BedboundME 3 года назад

      I’m totally meat free. I don’t understand the big deal of not eating meat on a Friday

    • @leoinsf
      @leoinsf 2 года назад

      How does "fasting for lent" bring us to an awareness that God is our Father and He loves us?
      Fasting is all about "earning God's love" by fasting.
      To me it is immature, unnecessarily and completely off the subject of the love God has for His children and the fact we do not need to earn that love.
      So much of Catholicism is about "earning" and "earning" is not the message Christ came on Earth to deliver.
      Catholicism is the Pharisee's version of coming to God, not the Publicans. Read the parable and you will see.

    • @steve2474
      @steve2474 2 года назад +2

      @@leoinsf I didn't embrace any form of fasting until a few years ago. I find it very useful in terms of spiritual discipline in temporarily denying one the pleasures of the world and helping to stay focused on Christ's sacrifice for us and not giving in so easily to temptation of sin in its many forms. I find it to be a useful tool in the spiritual warfare battle. I think the Orthodox are far too strict on their fasting requirements and frequency/duration, while the Catholics are far too lenient. Not to mention the Protestants who don't do it all. It has to be done in conjunction with prayer and/or scripture reading. Otherwise, it is just a diet. My fasting routine, falls in between the Catholic and Orthodox.

  • @joeymontanaa
    @joeymontanaa Год назад +6

    Islam is the only religion that is here to stay.
    Because it stands for what it believes in.
    Christianity is changing by day.

    • @nomnombr
      @nomnombr Год назад +1

      Catholicism is the true religion of Christ. It is as unchanging as truth is.

    • @joeymontanaa
      @joeymontanaa Год назад +3

      @@nomnombr yeah that's why homesexuality is accepted now right?
      How unchanged Catholicism is 😂

    • @nomnombr
      @nomnombr Год назад +1

      @@joeymontanaa It's literally a mortal sin. Chastity is for all, including those afflicted with same-sex attraction (who are called to celibacy, not priesthood).

    • @nomnombr
      @nomnombr Год назад

      @@joeymontanaa And being non-chaste is for certain a path to hell.

  • @patrocle5670
    @patrocle5670 2 года назад +2

    You explained the Sunk Cost Fallacy quite well

    • @Tyler_W
      @Tyler_W Год назад

      Right, that doesn't really seem like a good or sincere motivation tbh. It's true that you value things then more you appreciate what it cost to acquire it, but it kind of feels more like entrapment to say that you should stay committed to something after all of the time and energy you put into it. That's not the same as commitment for its own sake out of having value for the thing itself.

  • @bobbuilder5601
    @bobbuilder5601 5 лет назад +16

    I agree with what you say Brian. My roots are Roman Catholic and I was married in the Church.
    My wife, children and I have since become “born again” but my heart still goes out to my brothers/sisters in the RC church.
    First off: where people get the idea that “science” disproves God is false; science doesn’t deny the Godhead, rather it explains intelligent design and the complex order of our universe.
    Second: yes, without cost- true value is often marginalized and minimized.
    Third: the time is coming and is now here where an “awakening” (final?) for the Church (all Believers) will occur.
    I pray the conviction that guided you to make this video will bear much fruit as it reaches those who are truly at a crossroad and are earnestly seeking The Truth. Blessings!

    • @andymalone7338
      @andymalone7338 4 года назад +2

      Apostates are funny when they post on Catholic videos. No Orthodox Catholic cares what your think. You're wrong and sinning against the Holy Spirit. You might need to thump your bible to find out what that means.

  • @yutuzz
    @yutuzz 5 лет назад +6

    First time I watched the video thought it was good. I’ve already watched 3 times and I’m convinced it’s a master piece.
    Every time I watch it I see the point more clearly.
    Keep the good work!
    Thanks for the video!

  • @brotherandrew3393
    @brotherandrew3393 2 года назад +3

    I have mixed feelings about this approach. Because if the stakes are too high I am discouraged and I even can no longer do as I could before. So if you don´t put this in perspective to God´s grace and love it will simply not work. What I mean is this "Come to Me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me; for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.” (Matthew 11:28-30)

  • @Vurbanowicz
    @Vurbanowicz 2 года назад +1

    In a culture where people were obsessed with weight and body image, abolishing the Lenten fast was simply clueless, I agree. I also agree that a religion should require something of its adherents. And it is interesting that a super-conservative branch of Catholicism is attracting members and even priestly vocations. But I suspect this group will top out soon. It will only attract authoritarian types, people who believe in "making others march." As for vocations, the men who are leaving the priesthood certainly had a self-sacrificial commitment to Christianity when they entered it. What are their reasons for leaving--too much laxity in church discipline? I doubt it. I graduated from a Catholic men's college in the 1960s and have joined a few of my fellow alumni in an online chat group of 8 or 9. Some of us have long since exited Catholicism. Those who have stayed say very little about their faith and why they stay with it. This seems strange in a group where we speak freely on a wide range of topics, but then, my lifelong experience is that Catholics may practice faithfully but say little or nothing about their beliefs.
    Anyway, there's more to this matter than the price tag on the shoes.

  • @JoeyGirardin
    @JoeyGirardin 3 года назад +57

    It is indeed a sad thing that the Church changes for the converts, when the converts are supposed to change for the Church.

    • @karenc2844
      @karenc2844 2 года назад +1

      My father was a convert deeply devoted to the Catholic Church, very affected after Vatican Ii and spent most Sundays after that at a traditional Latin Mass.... the Church isn't changing for the Protestants; the Church is changing to deny Catholics of the teachings and practices of this beautiful faith, the One, True Faith.... and, sadly, many Catholics are allowing it to happen... it's easy to sit with a cup of coffee in hand and listen to a teaching with a few jokes sprinkled in for 20 minutes vs an hour + in devotion, on our knees at times in remembrance of the sacrifice at Calvary, receiving the True Presence of Our Lord in Holy Communion as He instructed us to do if we are to have life within us. I attended an Evangelical Church for 20 yrs, having left the Catholic Church bc it was easy to do so...I didn't KNOW my faith... Came back in 2014... and I'm here to stay... at a Latin Mass nearly every Sunday for an hour and a half participating in the most beautiful, holy, reverent, sacred, deeply affecting, sacrifice of the Mass....

    • @karenc2844
      @karenc2844 2 года назад

      I forgot to conclude with....MANY converts are leading the charge for the traditional teachings and practices of the Catholic Church...bc they also know "from whence they came".... Protestantism... where they may have received partial truth, and now as Catholics they have the full truth of the teachings of Christ in His One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church...

    • @davidwadsworth8982
      @davidwadsworth8982 2 года назад

      Very solid observation

    • @adamdilem941
      @adamdilem941 2 года назад

      Islam doesn't change. The Quran hasn't been touched or changed. As you read it today as it was revealed 1400 years ago. To the letter. And no contradictions found in it.

    • @JoeyGirardin
      @JoeyGirardin 2 года назад

      @@adamdilem941 ok. I may be a sinner, but I love Jesus enough to not leave the church. I know Truth when I see it. It is fruitless to try to convert me, but I know you mean no harm. Have a nice day tho

  • @Dislike-kq9uq
    @Dislike-kq9uq 3 года назад +56

    Hello Brian! I personally am Agnostic, and I greatly appreciate the tone of your video and presenting Valid points about your Community. I originally came looking for some Evangelist Malice ranting about how the world is going to hell, (honestly to scoff at the idea) and am actually very lucky to find your video first. Perhaps I should go and think upon my own mindset of looking for hate to help fuel my own. I don't think I can sway towards Christian belief, but I can help you out with a like and a subscribe. I hope you have a great day, Brian.

    • @BrianHoldsworth
      @BrianHoldsworth  3 года назад +31

      Wow. Thanks for tuning in. That was a refreshingly candid take.

    • @afonsoteixeiradamota404
      @afonsoteixeiradamota404 2 года назад

      @Mansoor Ahmad Dear Ahmad, the end of your comment is the end of your argument. Jesus is not a prophet of God but God himself made human flesh, as He told in many different ways. Many religions/churches speak of God and pretend to worship the one True God but God Himself only founded one Church: ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH.
      Thus, and using your own words: May I kindly and lovingly invite you to Catholicism. Catholicism is the beautiful religion of worshiping the uniquely one True God (the unseen Creator and Sustainer) of the universe - The Holy Trinity. The Bible was revealed by Himself. Once you get to know it you will become a believer in Catholicism. We Catholics believe in Jesus as God mas human flesh.

    • @Joshuarcade
      @Joshuarcade 2 года назад

      @Mansoor Ahmad the verse you describe here is not finished? Jesus himself continue by saying " the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent into the world"
      "This is my son, in whom I am well pleased" Almighty God speaking of His own self made flesh, Jesus Messiah

    • @greatexpectations6577
      @greatexpectations6577 2 года назад +1

      @Mansoor Ahmad you and Alfonso should get in a wrestling match to see which god is the true god. 😝

    • @RowanWarren78
      @RowanWarren78 2 года назад +2

      Thanks for the comment. I'm Agnostic as well. I see a lot of comments in response to yours where each person is either trying to convert you or fight each other 😆. No, I could never go back to religion. Now, when I see people of faith passionately debating things I once though we're important, but now realize are irrational, I can't believe I was ever a believer. You will never see so much hate and anger than you will from a devout person of faith when you tell them you're Agnostic and happy. For whatever reason, they just can't accept that there are people who exist outside of their faith. If they truly were at peace because they found their true system of belief, why would my personal choice make them so upset?

  • @andrewmaldonado71
    @andrewmaldonado71 2 года назад +4

    Religion will never die. It will continue to change, adapt and evolve just as we do.

    • @TheFracturedfuture
      @TheFracturedfuture 2 года назад

      Yeah unfortunately there will always be stupid people.

  • @annapobst
    @annapobst 2 года назад

    True words, deeply appreciated ❤

  • @TruthBeTold7
    @TruthBeTold7 3 года назад +20

    I think a lot of clergy from the main branches of professing Christianity view their position as just a job with a salary. Their heart is not in the faith, and they don't have the best interests of the people in mind.

    • @steve2474
      @steve2474 2 года назад +1

      I think there is some truth to that statement, but I believe it applies a thousand times more to politicians and serving the public interest (rather than their own), especially those with a "D" behind there name.

    • @davidwadsworth8982
      @davidwadsworth8982 2 года назад

      Now hown can you say such a dumb thing, and you not going to see for your self.

    • @TruthBeTold7
      @TruthBeTold7 2 года назад

      @@davidwadsworth8982 It comes from a lot of experience.

  • @karlazeen
    @karlazeen 3 года назад +57

    I think it boils down to the fact that people don't like being told what to do in life.

    • @karlazeen
      @karlazeen 3 года назад +5

      @@tomasmccauley569 My point exactly

    • @GigaNietzsche
      @GigaNietzsche 3 года назад +35

      You sure about that? It seems as though corporate propaganda and materialism seemed to have taken that role. People love being told what to do

    • @karlazeen
      @karlazeen 3 года назад

      @@GigaNietzsche Yeah those are other factors too I know it's not just one thing it's just my opinion that that's one of the main reasons. Also not all people like to be told what to do some want to live how they please and be happy that way, ya know what I mean?

    • @hollybardoe4075
      @hollybardoe4075 3 года назад +2

      @@GigaNietzschenot this person.

    • @selimfurkandalgic9548
      @selimfurkandalgic9548 3 года назад +4

      Yes that is true. However they select other beliefs that tell them what to do. So I am not sure it is the case here.

  • @johnnguyentan2503
    @johnnguyentan2503 2 года назад

    Thank you for your words of exhortation. This is what Dietrich Bonhoffer called cheap grace. For this & many other reasons I'm an Eastern Orthodox Christian. ✝

    • @AM-mw2wu
      @AM-mw2wu Год назад

      You are aware that the Orthodox Church is dying fast? It's been in decline around the world and makes up only 12% of Christianity. In 1910 orthodoxy was 20% of Christianity now it's at 12%. And it's in rapid everywhere. Yes! Christianity is dying in the West but growing rapidly elsewhere e.g.in Africa and Asia. The Orthodox Church do not do missionary work, hate other Christians and refuse to go out and share the gospel. Pride and stubbornness are ruining the Orthodox Church. And as much as your love your traditions and rules etc they are causing your church to die out.
      Even senior orthodox clergy are uncertain that the Orthodox Church will survive and to be honest if you die out completely, no one else will care. The Orthodox Church refuse to unite with other Christians to keep our religion going. So whilst the Catholic and Protestant churches are growing especially in Africa and Asia,the orthodox church which is mainly in europe and some very few other places is dying. AND you promote and support right wing extremism in all of your churches. The Russian Orthodox Church has been sanctioned by the UK for supporting and breeding far right extremism. The Greek Orthodox support right wing extremism and have stated that they believe Hitler was a wonderful man. The same thing goes on in the US too. The Orthodox Church isn't going to survive the rapid decline you face. Your clergy admit you've made no effort to keep up with the times e.g.doing missionary work, charitable work and evangelical work which you turn your noses up at. The Catholic and Protestant churches dominate Christianity and the orthodox church are dying out. The statistics are are damning. And the right wing extremism that you support is abhorrent. And you even allow other Christians to be persecuted and turn a blind eye in eastern Europe right? So the non Orthodox Christians you won't even recognise as Christians and mock and shun, will be around long after the Orthodox Church dies out and it's declining rapidly.

  • @Dante_-cg3fq
    @Dante_-cg3fq 4 года назад +13

    In my country Uruguay, one of the most agnostic / atheist countries in Latin America, many Christian holidays such as Easter, Christmas has changed its name to a holiday week or a beer week, and Christmas for a family day
    Even older people don't pay much attention to everything that is the church
    And the young people, I included are developing their own creeds and joining old beliefs
    For example, some of my friends prefer to believe in the Nordic gods and Valhalla, others in the Olympics and other larger ones do not care about religion,
    What is rare is that despite this every time there are more private churches of which their communities are mostly Colombian or Venezuelan Cuban, who are trying to convert Uruguayan society
    And here is the funny part, one of my classmates at the university, of Venezuelan origin has told me that his family is stopping to go to church, because they say they have adapted to think like Uruguayans with a thought of / I don't know / I don't care / whatever it is I am a good person /

    • @soycarlosalexis
      @soycarlosalexis 4 года назад +1

      Welp, it is not often to find such a testimony from South America. In fact, me being a Panamanian (Central America), it's hard to believe such a thing could happen here (the shift towards a broader and different point-of-view when we steer strongly to Christian beliefs), but it is worth noting the effects of such a change in the social script of your nation.
      I might not know your age but, is there a way you could share with us what is going on there socially? I am very curious about it.
      P.D.: the age might be important if you could reach back in time and connect the dots on these changes' outcomes.

    • @Dante_-cg3fq
      @Dante_-cg3fq 4 года назад +3

      @@soycarlosalexis
      I am 22 years old born in an agnostic family with education in Catholic schools (baptized communion) as the vast majority of my relatives
      Uruguay my country has always been very unrelated to the region since it was never of much interest to the missionaries at the time of the colony
      And many believe that this is thanks to being one of the first secular states of the continent, but with freedom of worship, and the great arrival of Europeans during the late 19th and mid 20th century
      They created a society very similar to knowledge and relfecion
      My grandfather is 88 years old and he is as a believer as I am, he always believe that the churches are like political parties, they only serve to indoctrinate, and kill freedom of thought and my 79-year-old grandmother believes more in San Expedito, but does not believe in divine creation or in the miracles of God. When I started studying evolution in my Catholic school, she was very interested in the subject, so much so that I even studied biology with me and began to read all my books about Megafauna Dinosaurs and human evolution. I really don't know that the people of Uruguay are so little like the church, many believe in God or gods in their own way (especially the older ones)
      But as Charles Darwin said, I have never known a people so ignorant, but at the same time so knowledgeable
      PD Sorry for my english

    • @soycarlosalexis
      @soycarlosalexis 4 года назад +1

      @@Dante_-cg3fq That's so cool! To be honest, my native language is Spanish, but the thread started in English, so I just went with the flow. haha
      Thanks for sharing your insights on the subject Dante. I got a bit confused when you said "I even studied biology with me". Do you mean your grandma started studying the subject with you?

    • @Dante_-cg3fq
      @Dante_-cg3fq 4 года назад +3

      @@soycarlosalexis Yep, despite the fact that she never finished high school, my grandmother was fascinated with the matter, she could not believe that such animals ever lived, she simply says if we had Gliptodontes instead of the armadillos, she would never have gone hungry in her childhood
      And despite the fact that she believes in the saints and God (in her own way), she believes that the evolution happened that the dinosaurs existed and that in some times there were armadillos of the size of her car XD

    • @makky6239
      @makky6239 4 года назад

      Não existe Natal no Uruguai? Que estranho

  • @MrRezillo
    @MrRezillo 4 года назад +8

    Thank you, Brian. You said what needed to be said. I've seen that whenever people get stuff for free, they don't value it. Case in point: When I was young and even more foolish than I am now, I enrolled in a couple of tuition0free courses at San Francisco Community College. I got lazy and just walked away from them. What the hell, I didn't pay for it, right? This happens a lot in the U.S. and most likely in Canada as well. Municipalities and states offer "free" college tuition - and incur a huge drop-out rate because, after all, students don't have to pay for their classes.

    • @rhfryer
      @rhfryer 3 года назад +1

      I wonder if that is always true when you get something free, you don't appreciate it. It enables you to try many classes, whereas when you have to pay for it, you tend not to take chances. I would say it is very individual. Motivation plays a big part. Free colleges are a good thing for the most part and it helps more people than not. However, there is some truth to this for some people that become ungrateful for the gift they have been given. Not sure why some people become ungrateful throughout their lives and take things for granted.

    • @dominicj7977
      @dominicj7977 2 года назад

      So should people capable of excelling in studies be denied that opportunity because of lack of money?

  • @RowanWarren78
    @RowanWarren78 2 года назад +4

    I think that, the more we come to understand our natural world, and endeavor to communicate with people outside our own communities, we will eventually abandon supernatural beliefs. We know floods and hurricanes aren't created by sin. Two thousand years ago, however, that was a very real concern. We just didn't know any better. There are very good people who have left religion because they can no longer accept irrational beliefs. They may have finally read the Bible in it's entirety, and realize how much content was omitted and disregarded by their pastor. Maybe they are lgbtq, and have been denigrated by religious leaders and family who are people of faith. Maybe they're weary of not getting a clear answer on so many things because every sect and denomination has its own interpretation of scripture. Maybe, the religious community they were a part of was divisive and self-righteous. There are many reasons people leave religion, and to think it's a personal failing just isn't accurate.

  • @randy-mw5dq
    @randy-mw5dq Год назад +1

    Many have left their first love. The church today is all about who can be the most popular pastor or who has the best music ministry or who's the most trendy or that have tainted their gathering with those who live in sin.

  • @leekshikapinnamneni4835
    @leekshikapinnamneni4835 3 года назад +3

    Part two of this video please. Maybe even a part three and four.

  • @shrinkdoc49
    @shrinkdoc49 4 года назад +4

    Wow! Your explanation is really spot on. Your examples all fit together so well. I would have to say this will provoke a much needed paradigm shift for me in my own Christian journey. The greater the cost to you for what you desire, the more it will be appreciated and valued. That principle has been well known in psychology and marketing forever. But I never before considered how it applied to the cost of my Christian faith. The greater the cost (sacrifice), the more precious it will become. Thank you so very much.

  • @riverdonoghue9992
    @riverdonoghue9992 6 месяцев назад +1

    I've known catholic priests over the years who had degrees in science who worked as teachers, teaching chemistry, maths and physics. Science didn't destroy their faith. They were more orthodox than most of the lazy theogically inept wasters in the church today who seem to be constantly appologising all the time about the church. I had a christan brother as a science teacher back in the 80s who was a devout catholic and also an absolute gentleman who used to tell us that science can't explain everything.

  • @BrentStrathdeePehi
    @BrentStrathdeePehi 5 лет назад +6

    Thanks for the video - interesting topic.
    I am from New Zealand, a modern secular country, although traditionally a Christian country that is now very multicultural.
    I believe the single biggest reason for the decline in Christianity in the west is actually mainly due to secularism- let’s face it, we’ve relegated God to something we roll out if/when we feel like it and for increasing numbers of people that’s well - never!
    I’m actually a Muslim revert but I have respect for all people from any/all walks of life. To live as a practicing Muslim is a commitment that requires learning, time, prayer (5x daily), giving to charity, fasting etc. the rewards are well worth it, but as you say - the investment into it means we value it highly. In Islam we believe that EVERYTHING is God centred and that fosters an acknowledgement, gratitude and humility for simple things - the sun came up this morning- Alhamdulilah!☀️
    Our modern western secularism admittedly has its benefits-freedom of choice is a positive. But in the process, most have simply removed God from their daily lives and this has caused the drastic decline of Christianity and the churches.
    I came to Islam after some months spent in Indonesia, a majority Muslim country. For all of their challenges of being a developing nation the biggest thing that struck me is that God and faith are at the centre of their daily lives - it’s not “religion” , it’s LIFE!
    I loved that and for the first time I realised that sadly, most westerners - including in my own country - have abandoned God...

    • @harrymcnicholas9468
      @harrymcnicholas9468 5 лет назад

      Did you ever consider there is no God?

    • @BrentStrathdeePehi
      @BrentStrathdeePehi 5 лет назад +2

      Harry McNicholas sure - many times. Then I decided that the idea that this universe, humanity, nature etc is all just an epic fluke was LESS believable than believing in God 😁

    • @harrymcnicholas9468
      @harrymcnicholas9468 5 лет назад +1

      You used bad reasoning. Nobody in science asks you to believe anything. Science is based upon facts. You check out the facts. God is not a fact but only a superstition with no validity.

    • @BrentStrathdeePehi
      @BrentStrathdeePehi 5 лет назад

      Harry McNicholas coolio Harry - I accept that that’s your view, each to their own. Our differing views dont hurt each other so we can agree to think differently, all good! I accept your views I’m sure your able to accept mine too 🙂

    • @harrymcnicholas9468
      @harrymcnicholas9468 5 лет назад

      As long as they both are based upon facts and logic.

  • @delcymansour68
    @delcymansour68 6 лет назад +24

    Wow, I've never thought about it this way! Loved the little anecdote at the beginning by the way.

    • @potato8784
      @potato8784 6 лет назад

      Delcy Mansour the popes claimed to be God all of them

    • @delcymansour68
      @delcymansour68 6 лет назад +3

      Dylan Goh Nope :)

    • @brenosantana1458
      @brenosantana1458 6 лет назад

      There is only one criator, the father, the son of man is a man. John 17 3, 1 Tim 2 5, heb 2 17.

  • @maggiedickenson1996
    @maggiedickenson1996 10 месяцев назад

    Hi there, both the kneelers and the phews have been taken out of our church, plus the rail where people knelt to receive the eucharistic, I'm a traditionalists and I miss the Latin mass which isn't available in my area x

  • @MyGdoggy
    @MyGdoggy 5 лет назад +39

    These comments are just sad.

    • @pauldavies8638
      @pauldavies8638 5 лет назад +2

      But true

    • @coyotebones1131
      @coyotebones1131 3 года назад +4

      Nobody has said spiritual growth yet, and that’s literally all Jesus taught. In a secular materialist culture it’s too high concept, it seems like woo woo

  • @ShepherdMetalBand
    @ShepherdMetalBand 6 лет назад +6

    Very interesting insight. Keep up the good work!

    • @brenosantana1458
      @brenosantana1458 6 лет назад

      Nightcrest There is only one criator, the father, the son of man is a man. John 17 3, 1 Tim 2 5, heb 2 17.