As a doctor I can say that a lot of social media doctors are a lot more influencer than doctor and I wouldn't trust what they have to say tbh. Maybe they're right (not all bad) but there's no way for a layperson to know
As a doctor, I can tell you that most of us don't know how to interpret scientific research or properly look into a study. Majority of doctors won't be at the forefront of scientific development, because they're not scientists. Can they diagnose and treat illnesses? Yes. But can they read further than an abstract? No 😂
@@TheNDofUO I think that generally those that are accurate and honest are more boring because they need to highlight the details and lack of certainty. Influence can' t influence if they are boring.
Also if you look into it many of them use "Dr." But they're chiropractors, podiatrists, naturopaths selling products...nothing wrong with those professions, just that they intend to deceive viewers that they have the scope of expertise on subjects they don't
@@JMochiDragon yes i’ve seen that, and i actually think there is something very wrong with those professions, but ive seen honest to god practicing physicians with legit practices in the US claiming rosemary oil is a good substitute for minoxidil, which speaks to a larger problem of bad science even amongst people who are supposed to be very in touch with scientific literature.
i’m just so obsessed with the way you spoon-feed us with ALL the data and informations (AND THE GOSSIPS) that are easily unnoticed and kinda hard to be perceived by “ordinary” people (like me), specially in scientific articles. Michele, you don’t know me, but i do really love you and your work 💋 I’m not a scientist, so please keep making videos
@@Skyview65I’d recommend checking out Dr. Gary Linkov’s video on finasteride. Like Michele, he’s also pretty evidence-based, and great at communicating science.
This is awful. I dont know what the repercussions are for this kind of fraud, but they should be more costly financially and professionally. If this isnt uncommon, clearly the punishment isn't a deterrent. Just disgusting.
@@nollypolly Agreed! It's been estimated that fraud around beta blockers preventing death in surgery actually increased death by 27%, and may have caused up to 800,000 deaths in Europe...
Oh man, so I'm only 1/3 of the way through, but what kills me is when a peer reviewer says "hey, this claim in my area of expertise is straight up not true", the journal can say "oh well" and *publish it with their name on it* Talk about insult to injury.
I work in scientific publishing, and at least in physics and biomedical circles, peer reviews are completely anonymous. It may not be the case in other fields.
@@gasparinha Depends on the journal - for example the rat dck AI image had the peer reviewers' names attached, some journalists reached out to them for comment... (It was Frontiers though, so half a step above MDPI)
@@gasparinha I used to work for a medical journal and peer reviews were anonymous at our journals as well, to the extent that even the Editor-in-Chief didn't know who had peer reviewed what.
There are people among us that really DO do the research, and the results are real. However, I even encountered how easy it is to be trapped while doing my Master's. Had a professor who didn't quite seem to have a clue, found out that what she was working on was BS, then found out that the whole FIELD was BS! The researchers at a big and famous institution have been doing BS science for 35 years...! Would really have wanted to write it straight out in my thesis, but had to sugarcoat it heavily for my super isor to even approve my work....
I have some suggestions for future videos: 1. Do collagen supplements really work? 2. Cysteamine for melasma or hyperpigmentation 3. Adaptogenic herbs: Do they work? 4. Oral sunscreens (from Astaxanthin to Polypodium)
Collagen supplementation for any purpose is bunk. Unfortunately, as it'd be nice if I could drink a smoothie to treat my genetic connective tissue disease. 😂🤣
i'm an academic editor and i cannot believe that figures/photos like those shaved mice and skin cells got past so many people at so many stages of the publication process. it's really disheartening but i also love these videos of yours in particular and wish more creators called stuff like this out!
My thoughts exactly. I would *like* to think that a good academic/scientific copyeditor would catch stuff like this...assuming the article had one to begin with (I'm sure paper mills don't employ copyeditors).
I'm no scientist, but publishing a "study" with no control group seems like something that shouldn't be allowed. Doesn't it kind of mean your findings have no scientific significance by default? Like, if you ask 20 people on the street if they saw a red car today, and 8 of them said yes, that's not a sound way of determining how many red cars are actually on the road. It's just nonsense.
@@beastghostt It depends - a lot of studies are done in comparison with the established treatment which makes a lot of sense especially if, say, it would be unethical to give people with that disease a placebo. But the interpretation of statistical significance is different and generally "not significantly inferior" is a lower bar to achieve. (My understanding anyway, I am not that good at stats 🫣)
heehee, I am no scientist but I do work with scientists as a technician. It floors me working in science how many times scientists do NOT use a control!! My god, this is science 101 people!
Even if you have a control group that doesn't mean you can control for everything. Not all studies can be made into experiments, for ethical or practical reasons. You can nonetheless have a control group that did not try the medicine/intervention. This is often done in social and behavioural science but also in medicine and epidemiology. You still have a control group but there could still be a selection effect, meaning that the individuals were naturally selected into certain groups. You can't for instance force a group of people to smoke cigarettes or not use sun screen for ten years and order another group of people to not smoke cigarettes or use sun screen for ten years and study the effects on cancer outcomes. Your can only compare between groups that do and do not engage in these practices. But these groups may not be equal in other aspects which can affect the outcome. For instance, smokers may be also more prone to drink alcohol. Both cause cancer. This is a quasi-experiment and while you can control for certain known variables that we know can affect the outcome, there may be several unknown factors too. So, having a control group does not guarantee a high quality. It depends on the design of the study and a host of other factors.
It's crazy that people parade numbers like that and nobody calls out the very clear fraud. I know many people just put their name at the end of reaseach papers that their students or even friends wrote to keep up the numbers they need to keep their job but this is insane.
@@piyusarkar3065 If Google Translate was reasonably accurate, he's the most cited researcher in Iran. Aren't we blessed that he decided to take his talents to this important hair loss treatment 🤡
Thank you so much Lab Muffin. I was trying to explain Paper Mills and why publish or perish is ruining higher education (on many levels). I am now just sending them this video.
I'd never heard of this phenomenon but it's truly horrifying. I'm sure Michelle explained but I missed it watching the video, do the mills usually just fake the studies entirely?
I haven’t even watched the video yet, but I know it’s going to be incredible. Thank you for your amazing work.❤Your work genuinely inspires me to pursue research and science communication as a career.
IM EARLY !! its so shady that all this stuff happens ,, how are these frauds even still allowed to publish studies ? i feel like they should be on a blacklist at this point
This video is so insightful, people automatically assume that peer reviewed papers are legit, and this video just proof that they are not. I hate that this kind of shady stuff is even happening and so common in field like science.
We don't even know if these are peer-reviewed! This could all be pay-to-publish, minimal proofreading, then out the door. I work for a small, semi-niche scientific journal, and sometimes new contacts will write to ask if we're a "real journal". I don't mind educating them, but these garbage factories are making things even more difficult!
Over 250 papers a year?! I'm an active clinical scientist in the US and actively collaborate with academic institutions that include various clinical and non- clinical staff. We publish maybe 2-8 a year. To me, this is a textbook paper mill and a textbook example of just bad research and authorship. Thank you for sharing this video!!
Omg I purchased your book it was quite a task to get in india but I loved every bit of it. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge in this book in such a readable and easy to understand way.❤
So I’ve personally used Rosemary extract + atlas tree oil with coco caprylate with nettle and my hair loss was really decreased. I’ve tried comparing scalp massage only vs scalp massage with oil and it seems that oil gives more effect
Wow! Just wow! You are 1 in a million!!! This is so much work and effort and so helpful for all of us who need to know how to eliminate all this bad research! I was taught in nursing school how to analyze a paper but not this thorough! I wonder how many papers I’ve read and thought, this makes sense but in reality it probably isn’t 🤦🏻♀️ It really is helpful to read the entire paper! I never read the abstract and conclusion alone! It’s just fake news! Thank you for this video! You have no idea how grateful we are of you for making such high quality educational content! Thank you thank you 🙏🏻
I just want to say thank you for debunk this. Ive done research on this as well. People are so drawn to natural treatments because they assume that because it's from nature it must be better and it must be healthier (which is obviously fallacious). The idea that it could grow hair it's largely unfounded. If anything, it could be the case that rosemary oil and other oils could have anti hair growth properties. Allergies could cause inflammation and lead to an environment of scarring Alopecias. We now know the a defective PPAR-GAMMA receptor can cause for poor lipid metabolism and lead to scarring Alopecia is like lichen planopilaris and FFA. Thanks for this video
People are drawn to natural treatments because it has become increasing clear (obvious) that everything is already available ion nature, and thats only scratching the surface. You anti-nature brigade despise anything outside of your control, outright denying peoples own experiences if you cant take credit for it. It's scientism (narcissism). A significant amount of ingredients used in beauty and food that are classed as GRAS, and that you will claim are safe, are so poorly studies and =frequently taken off the market due to side effects and death. Science is a single method of discovery, not the only, and everything within science is subject to change- and it will. it might be nice to make yourself feel you know more than nature, or that you can create something more powerful that isnt already available but just not studied, but you cannot. 'Debunking' is often much weaker than initial claims being debunked, with poor science. Also note that, thanks to quantum physics and the placebo effect, observation alters outcome, and the mind/expectation has a significant effect. You people need to relax and step back to know your place instead of shitting on people for finding solutions that they know the source of.
I really don’t get “appeal to nature” argument, especially in things like medicine and cosmetics. People spend time and extensive amount of money just to check if some specific component works (many of which were derived from natural ingredients), vs. “my grandma always used it when we were sick”. On the other hand, all these paper mills - at least you can be sure your grandma had good intentions, I guess…
Please tell me more about LLP. I have scarring alopecia and my doctors don't know much about it. I am losing so much hair, trying many prescribed remedies. Nothing works 😢
Literally nothing will ever work. I'll try chasteberry and inosit now, but after that, I'm done. I've been researching for 10 years, there is no cure 🫠@@tuxedoneko9837
Honestly fake research paper's is a huge problem in doctor Resident applications. I know that doctors will pay other people to write and publish a paper for them bc it's pretty much a bad look if on your applications you don't have research on it and it will hurt your chances on actually matching. And if you can't match, you have to wait 1 year for the next application cycle. So they have a huge incentive to have research on their application even if its bogus.
@@mahnoorkhan7601 Yes! It's a huge driver of Chinese paper mill usage - apparently it is/was a requirement to publish to even graduate from med school there.
I started on your channel looking for something shallow like how do I make my skin look good. Your channel is one of the more intellectual and educating videos on my feed now. Just brilliant, please keep up the good work!
I love how dedicated you are to the truth, regardless of whether it works or not. You can only state the facts, and the facts don’t support that. I fully respect what you do.
I loved your first rosemary oil myth busting video. I love that you're being even more thorough with this one! I struggle with female pattern hair loss and am so glad you busted the rosemary oil myth for hair loss. I don't have to waste my time with it! 😊
This is really incredible work, Michelle! Not only doing the research to debunk the false studies, but also presenting them in a way that is easy for the average person to understand.
The natural hair girlies needs to get on this now. Edit: Sorry if my comment was too vague! I didn't realize that anyone could use rosemary oil for their hair! I was only familiar with 4C hair people recommending this.
They’re not going to stop using/promoting rosemary oil - one influencer who kept hyping up rosemary oil acknowledged that the studies may be faulty but then they pretty much said ‘whatever, it works for me, I’m going to continue using it’.
Many use oils on their scalp for other reasons as well, although I would go so far to say those are due to underlying issues that oils cannot address either.
I love this deep dive! I knew people used chatgpt these days for papers and that bs science gets published, but I wasn't aware of how big the issue was. Thank you for all the time you put into this video! I love this type of content but I know that too often that it's a lot of work for not much of a response. Please keep doing what you do! The mix of science and beauty products is a highlight of my day whenever you post!
Such a beautiful video!!! You are a breath of fresh air in a world filled with misinformation. Please don't change I couldn't find any faults in your videos. Keep up the good work, Dr. Michelle.
Wow this is insane! Thank you so much for everything you do. All of your content is so thorough and easy to understand. I hope something is done to put and end to all of the bad research out there. Until then, keep doing what you’re doing and fighting the good fight. The more people are informed the better our chances are.
Me too!!! 😭 I need to start a series of posts with dumb answers AI gives to math problems, to help students understand that AI is very A and not much I
@@auricia201I love a comment I've seen somewhere on RUclips, it went like this, "sometimes AI stands for Actual Incompetence". I'm actually scared as to how quickly some people have switched to AI over a regular search engine, where you can check the links as well as see the summary (on some ones, and the summaries definitely don't always paint a full picture - AI again?)
@auricia201 chatgpt is a large language model, I always remind people. This means it answers questions based on how language rules work, not how math rules work. Hence: for a long time, it would answer "can a set be both open and closed" with no, when you can literally google that shit and you'll get the correct answer. (Context: it says no because in English the words open and closed are opposites, whereas in mathematics they are used to mean different concepts.)
it’s like my great great grandfather used to say back in the day: “if the website of the peer reviewed journal has a link scroller in the banner, it’s not a good sign.”
I went to several dermatologist forn androgenic alopecia and they seemed to recommend me hair serum or sprays and it was later did i realised that they were working with the brand and promoting their products. It was a family doctor who prescribed me minoxidil. Michelle your last video on rosemary did save my money since I've already wasted enough. I hope your videos get more views and more ppl know about this channel :3
How do you feel about topical caffeine for androgenic alopecia? I recall it was quite sketchy since the studies were made by a caffeine shampoo manufacturer. But I'm hearing it getting recommended again lately.
I'm on my second bottle of rosemary oil. I didn't use much of it, just every second day for about a year now and I honestly don't see much of a difference. What I hate though is how oily my hair gets after using it and I also get some zits on my scalp sometimes, especially if by accident I apply more. I think after watching this video I'll just stop wasting my time and using it. If I'll start seeing more issues coming up in the future, I'll just go to a dermatologist instead. Thank you for sharing this information with all of us!
I used rosemary and it worked for me. You’re using it incorrectly. First of all, you can’t use it alone as it’s too irritating and can even lead to hair fall. You have to mix it with a carrier oil like castor oil or pumpkinseed oil. You’re supposed to massage it on your scalp and leave it on for 2-3 hours ONLY then wash your hair with a clarifying shampoo to get rid of all the oil and grease. Do this twice or 3 times a week only, not every second day.
@@Sarah.G_2 3 times a week = every second day, which is what I said. That rosemary oil was already mixed with other oils so you could apply it directly, but I used to leave it overnight.
@@davemk9 I use it twice a week and space it out. Some people use it 3 times a week but I think twice is ideal. Many people like myself have seen results, so I don’t know why this scientist is insisting that it doesn’t work. I mean sure some people may not see any results at all but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t work for others. Search up Camel Glow oil and look at the reviews.
Hey, have you ever addressed the rumor that cold hair makes your hair shinier/closes the cuticle of your hair? That's a piece of advice that I've seen thrown around a lot
I hate how people prey upon the insecurities of others. I have alopecia and have lost over half my hair now. EVERYONE is suddenly an expert and trying to flog you stuff. I dont bother having my hair cut now as im sick of hairdressers trying to sell my a £50 bottle of shampoo claiming my hair will regrow in just 6 weeks lol. If its not a topical product its a supplement.
@@Lure420 Minoxidil will help a little bit... maybe, results vary person to person, might not even work for you. The only solution is hair transplant... it's expensive because its a very long surgery (approx 10 hours) and it's the only menthod which works.
@@Lure420this is gonna sound so basic and ridiculous - but going through the same thing and biotin, hair oil called amazing hair saviour, zinc, and more fish and egg diet def seems to be helping me !
I have wavy hair & tried a bottle of the oil because even Dr Dray said it *could* be helpful but be careful because fragrance allergies. I never used it consistently at all & then this stuff started coming out so I threw it out.
Having been in biomedical research for years, the numbers and fields (and retractions) of publications by these authors are fucking ridiculous. Thanks for the further enlightening of how much this paper mill study is gaslighting the whole haircare industry
As a guy and scientist who is also into skincare, I’ve been watching your channel for over a year. this (plus part 1) video was the first I could send to some of my male friends, most of which are very much not into skincare. Thank you very much for your thorough investigations and clarity in all of your videos (not just this one). As a fellow scientist, I hold your standards in highest regards. Thank you for not being a sellout!
Thank you for informing us once again!!! Your argument is really solid and even counted for the counter-arguments. I'll look forward to seeing your other vids! I don't really like science, but your stuff is interesting!
Thanks so much for a continuation video, Michelle! I'm trying to put together a checklist or training for some of my staff of sus things to check for when reading through scientific articles/publications, and this video is a real help! This whole paper mills thing is so terrifying, we all really should be talking about it more. Also: BIG THANKS for the warning about the mouse images--I definitely have a phobia so I appreciate the opportunity to skip ahead!
wow this is my first time watching this channel and can i say that you are a star for this !! i have never seen anyone simplify scientific jargon into such a digestible format as well as you do. i hope ur yt career grows and lasts very long
Learning about the amount of misinformation and the incentives to contribute to it is so depressing. Thank you so much for everything you do to combat it and help us learn
This is like the rice water hype, which everyone thought was good for hair but it subsequently caused a lot of breakage. I dislike natural ingredients, so many cause more harm than good when it comes to cosmetics and hair, and from reading your book, it is good to know that natural is not always better, especially with it being unregulated
As someone who lost some of my hair permanently to traction alopecia as well as just like pulling it out as a kid, i fucking hate this rosemary shit. I use minoxidil to make the hair i have left look thicker to disguise the loss and thinning, i tried rosemary it didn’t do shit except make my scalp itchy leading me to start picking at it again 😭 and then i tell people about the hairloss and they’re like “ have you tried rosemary oil” and i just, ahhhhhhhh
Would you consider doing a video on newer (to retail users at least) OTC ingredients like Capixyl, Redensyl, Anagain, Procapil & Baicapil with hair growth claims? These are very common in "hair growth" products in India. Redensyl and Caffeine also feature in The Ordinary's hair density serum.
Some big brands are also getting on this bandwagon. There's a density boost line from Dove available at select etailers in my country now. It includes a scalp serum with niacinamide and zinc-peptides that claims to have "clinically proven 10,000 more hair strands in 8 weeks". It would be very educational to know what the research on these ingredients actually shows and if consumers should consider spending money on them. Thank you in advance if you choose to cover this topic in a future video!
How demoralizing to realize that there are so many prolific dodgy 'scientists' out there. Goes along with my rising mistrust of photos, memes etc, that you slowly realize must be AI generated and therefore one develops an increasing mistrust of everything. sigh....
The trouble is the system and lack of education around this. There have always been morally bankrupt people in society doctors aren’t exempt from this or making mistakes. A medical doctor differs from someone with a PhD who tends to be able to discern information differently and think critically because they’ve studied differently ( I guess I sometimes think of it as a doctor of thought, not trying to put down MDs). So, I don’t think all the derms recommendations for this study are meant to misguide you if that helps. You live you learn. Al isn’t altogether bad if used as a tool but I do understand the mistrust and science is trying to be better :)
I love how you not only educate us on the science of beauty but also on how to interpret scientific literature. I’m currently doing my phd and the publish or perish struggle is real
Thank you for another awesome video! It is scary to think decisions are being made by "studies" like these! I work in medicine so I'm feeling extra gross right now. I wish everyone knew about you and your work, it should be required learning!
YES!!! Michelle, you are my hero. Thank you for being so incredibly thorough in your myth-busting and laying out all the evidence in an objective way, as a scientist should! You are a torch-bearer for truth in the beauty industry.
It's amazing how low the standard for peer review has fallen. Maybe it's never been as good as we like to think, but the fact that this got through and I've seen all of these actual doctors accept it as good science really is scary. These journals really need to have a higher standard for honesty and transparency of the abstracts. Doctors are literally basing their advice on what they read in them!
My hair has been thinning for a while. I bought the rosemary oil and used it every night. For six months my hair was luscious. Soft, smooth, and it was definitely thicker. Noticeably so. I really thought this product was working. And then suddenly about six months in my hair started to fall out DRAMATICALLY. Not in clumps, it was all over, but literally handfuls of hair. I stopped using the hair oil and after a few weeks the shedding stopped. I don’t know if it was the oil but what a roller coaster that was. It’s been about six months since I stopped using the oil and I’d say my hair is back to how it was before I tried the oil.
great video! I am a dermatologist, and this last study on topical rosemary was laughable. Dermatologist are trained to read pathology/histology slides. I will say you can manipulate the number of hair follicles seen on a slide by how the slide is cut or processed. The best way to process a biopsy to count hairs would be a vertical or a horizontal section, not transverse as was done here. That is standard protocol when we do scalp biopsies to diagnose alopecias in our patients. Also the whole premise of this study...shaving hair off of a mice's back is not the same as androgenic alopecia where people have miniaturization of the hair follicle and follicular drop-out gradually. ugh!
A rosemary hair growth oil is the only thing I used that significantly helped regrow my hair loss and fill my hairline, bald spots super fast! So much that other people noticed and asked what I was doing or using! Since then it’s helped so many others in my life who were also battling hair loss. Plus it doesn’t have all the side effects that minoxidil does, such as hair falling out once you stop using minoxidil! I’d choose rosemary oil!
Rosemary oil did nothing for me but give me super inflamed, oily hair follicles which has most likely contributed to the hairloss I was experiencing. I unfollowed all the hair IG accounts, booked an appointment with a trichologist who got to the bottom of my issues. And the treatment did NOT involve oil or monoxidil.
You confirm my snake oil confirmation bias theory as correct. But you also have opened my eyes to how prolific and widespread (with HUGE incentives) the deception in peer reviewed science papers is. This is a crushing blow, as a retired nurse I’m used to research based practices, and have tried to use that in my own health (and my daughters) journey. If i cant rely on my scientific research, what can I rely on?
Of course this RN science nerd has suspected all of this re: rosemary scalp oil. However, I am on my fourth bottle of Mielle and I use it for the pleasant sensorial effect and I use it 3x/wk with a good scalp massage. My hunch is that my healthy scalp and beautiful hair is due to the regular scalp massage. 😉
You addressed this just in time, I've been thinking of purchasing just to try out. I've been seeing the same kind of benefits touted for Castor oil, is this also just not really proven to do anything for hair growth?
I am doing my phd now. I am studying licorice root extract for skincare use. We did an antibacterial assay that showed great activity on streptococus and staphilococus strains, but weak on e.coli. i wrote that in the paper. My professor told me to take out the part that it didn't have good results with e.coli (altough it is evident in the results section). I found it was stupid to bot take the "negative" results into consideration. That is also very significant. Will never understand why...
I always feel really lucky I was able to take a couple courses on how to find the validity, biases, and plagiarism within academic journals, most forms of media, and news sources. It’s really shocking the amount of people that will just accept something because it was written by a doctor, supposedly. Thank you for these videos because I want this to be more commonly known, not just stuck behind the doors of a university or tens of hundreds of Google searches in the topic.
I have tried rosemary oil a couple of times & found my hair was actually thinning from doing so. I was baffled at this given the RUclips videos citing these studies. Now I understand why I didn't get positive effects! Thank you!
This makes me sad, i have hair loss because of thyroid issues and pcos, and i just got rosemary oil, and i was so excited to use it. Now im just put off, i guess it was too good to be true...
I don't know your situation of course, but maybe you can look into your nutrition. I had hairlossproblems also because of thyroid issues and I got much better with changing my eating habits and I also had low iron, so since taking additional Iron, it got a lot better. You get your iron levels checked by a doctor (i would not just take it without knowing, it has side effects if you are overdosed)
Appreciate the warning. Btw, you said most things that work on rodents don’t work on humans. Why are we still doing animal testing then? Is there no alternative?
There are alternatives for some things (a lot of it was developed by the cosmetic industry!), but not for all risks, and a lot of regulatory agencies don't accept them yet - it's actually one of the big reasons the US is having a sunscreen filter crisis, the FDA doesn't accept non-animal testing methods and the rest of the world has banned it for cosmetics, so it's stuck in a limbo.
@@LabMuffinBeautyScience wow! That's very interesting! Thanks for the insight, I appreciate it so much! Hopefully we can keep progressing and moving away from animal testing! 🙏🏼
Also in clinical trials*, animals often receive dosages x1000 times higher or more (to mass ratio). Usually because they're measuring other factors, like: what ascending dosage leads to effectiveness, to adverse effects, to organ failure, and/or death. These become inputs to calculate safe dosages for humans by the time they reach phase 1 studies (whole complex models vs simple animal models). *For therapeutics; can't speak for cosmetics PS don't get me started on organoids as an alternative
Really appreciate the image warnings and chapters! I ❤learning from your work and it was so thoughtful of you to warn scaredy-cats like me. I'm also an editor (not in the science field tho). It takes so much work combing through this stuff and analyzing if there is some strange thing going on, so thank you!
I would love to see a video like this about castor oil since there has been at least one study that discusses that castor oil may cause prostaglandin production in the skin
something i learned from people much smarter than me is “you can only be a true expert in maybe 1-3 things.” the author of that paper was SO sketch in so many ways. this was an awesome video, thank you.
Awesome video. You actually breaking down the evidence from a critical appraisal perspective of is everything!!!! Have you already done a video on k18, I can’t seem to find one?
I really enjoyed this video, it might be my favorite of yours so far. One thought I had, It’s unfortunate how many low-quality papers are widely shared simply because they’re free, while high-quality research is mostly paywalled. At least the skills to detect and evaluate these papers can be taught and learned by anyone, thanks for teaching your skills.
one of the most concerning things for me is how MDs on tiktok never actually read the fucking paper they were touting as evidence for their claims 😭😭
As a doctor I can say that a lot of social media doctors are a lot more influencer than doctor and I wouldn't trust what they have to say tbh. Maybe they're right (not all bad) but there's no way for a layperson to know
As a doctor, I can tell you that most of us don't know how to interpret scientific research or properly look into a study. Majority of doctors won't be at the forefront of scientific development, because they're not scientists. Can they diagnose and treat illnesses? Yes. But can they read further than an abstract? No 😂
@@TheNDofUO I think that generally those that are accurate and honest are more boring because they need to highlight the details and lack of certainty. Influence can' t influence if they are boring.
Also if you look into it many of them use "Dr." But they're chiropractors, podiatrists, naturopaths selling products...nothing wrong with those professions, just that they intend to deceive viewers that they have the scope of expertise on subjects they don't
@@JMochiDragon yes i’ve seen that, and i actually think there is something very wrong with those professions, but ive seen honest to god practicing physicians with legit practices in the US claiming rosemary oil is a good substitute for minoxidil, which speaks to a larger problem of bad science even amongst people who are supposed to be very in touch with scientific literature.
i’m just so obsessed with the way you spoon-feed us with ALL the data and informations (AND THE GOSSIPS) that are easily unnoticed and kinda hard to be perceived by “ordinary” people (like me), specially in scientific articles.
Michele, you don’t know me, but i do really love you and your work 💋 I’m not a scientist, so please keep making videos
Thank you so much!
@@LabMuffinBeautySciencehello can you do a video on topical finasteride and what dose is best
@@Skyview65I’d recommend checking out Dr. Gary Linkov’s video on finasteride. Like Michele, he’s also pretty evidence-based, and great at communicating science.
Also, this paper was originally free. Now, its behind a pay wall.
whatt 💀I'm glad I got a proper look at it when it was still available
Just use scihub no more pay wal lol
Scihub prob has it if it's still up
Hmmmm interesting 👀
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This is awful. I dont know what the repercussions are for this kind of fraud, but they should be more costly financially and professionally.
If this isnt uncommon, clearly the punishment isn't a deterrent.
Just disgusting.
@@nollypolly Agreed! It's been estimated that fraud around beta blockers preventing death in surgery actually increased death by 27%, and may have caused up to 800,000 deaths in Europe...
@@LabMuffinBeautyScience woah. Please do more videos or posts about this type of fraud and the repercussions. I'm so interested in this
What??? I use beta blovkers for anxiety and took one befire my last surgery??? Is this dangerous to do???????? Please help@@LabMuffinBeautyScience
@@LabMuffinBeautyScience What about hair oiling in general. Is this necessary?
Oh man, so I'm only 1/3 of the way through, but what kills me is when a peer reviewer says "hey, this claim in my area of expertise is straight up not true", the journal can say "oh well" and *publish it with their name on it*
Talk about insult to injury.
I work in scientific publishing, and at least in physics and biomedical circles, peer reviews are completely anonymous. It may not be the case in other fields.
@@gasparinha Depends on the journal - for example the rat dck AI image had the peer reviewers' names attached, some journalists reached out to them for comment... (It was Frontiers though, so half a step above MDPI)
@@gasparinha I used to work for a medical journal and peer reviews were anonymous at our journals as well, to the extent that even the Editor-in-Chief didn't know who had peer reviewed what.
I find myself more disillusioned with academia everyday. Currently writing my doctoral dissertation 🥴
Best of luck!
Good luck! You can do it!
Good Luck! :)
Thank you guys so much! 💜
There are people among us that really DO do the research, and the results are real. However, I even encountered how easy it is to be trapped while doing my Master's. Had a professor who didn't quite seem to have a clue, found out that what she was working on was BS, then found out that the whole FIELD was BS! The researchers at a big and famous institution have been doing BS science for 35 years...! Would really have wanted to write it straight out in my thesis, but had to sugarcoat it heavily for my super isor to even approve my work....
I have some suggestions for future videos:
1. Do collagen supplements really work?
2. Cysteamine for melasma or hyperpigmentation
3. Adaptogenic herbs: Do they work?
4. Oral sunscreens (from Astaxanthin to Polypodium)
She already made a collagen supplement video
Collagen supplementation for any purpose is bunk. Unfortunately, as it'd be nice if I could drink a smoothie to treat my genetic connective tissue disease. 😂🤣
Number 2 please!!
Michelle, is the part 2 of the Vitamin C video ever going to come out? I really wanna hear you talk about the derivatives. 🥺😭
This ^
SAME
Same here. I've been avoiding them because I don't want to invest in something that doesn't work
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PLEASE🙏
i'm an academic editor and i cannot believe that figures/photos like those shaved mice and skin cells got past so many people at so many stages of the publication process. it's really disheartening but i also love these videos of yours in particular and wish more creators called stuff like this out!
My thoughts exactly. I would *like* to think that a good academic/scientific copyeditor would catch stuff like this...assuming the article had one to begin with (I'm sure paper mills don't employ copyeditors).
I'm no scientist, but publishing a "study" with no control group seems like something that shouldn't be allowed. Doesn't it kind of mean your findings have no scientific significance by default? Like, if you ask 20 people on the street if they saw a red car today, and 8 of them said yes, that's not a sound way of determining how many red cars are actually on the road. It's just nonsense.
@@beastghostt It depends - a lot of studies are done in comparison with the established treatment which makes a lot of sense especially if, say, it would be unethical to give people with that disease a placebo. But the interpretation of statistical significance is different and generally "not significantly inferior" is a lower bar to achieve. (My understanding anyway, I am not that good at stats 🫣)
heehee, I am no scientist but I do work with scientists as a technician. It floors me working in science how many times scientists do NOT use a control!! My god, this is science 101 people!
You have a point there
@@LabMuffinBeautyScience I love data in theory but in practice I am soooo bad at statistics 😭
Even if you have a control group that doesn't mean you can control for everything. Not all studies can be made into experiments, for ethical or practical reasons. You can nonetheless have a control group that did not try the medicine/intervention. This is often done in social and behavioural science but also in medicine and epidemiology. You still have a control group but there could still be a selection effect, meaning that the individuals were naturally selected into certain groups. You can't for instance force a group of people to smoke cigarettes or not use sun screen for ten years and order another group of people to not smoke cigarettes or use sun screen for ten years and study the effects on cancer outcomes. Your can only compare between groups that do and do not engage in these practices. But these groups may not be equal in other aspects which can affect the outcome. For instance, smokers may be also more prone to drink alcohol. Both cause cancer. This is a quasi-experiment and while you can control for certain known variables that we know can affect the outcome, there may be several unknown factors too. So, having a control group does not guarantee a high quality. It depends on the design of the study and a host of other factors.
A thorough and wonderfully communicated takedown!!
@@impromptublue Thank you so much! 😊❤️
367 papers in a f*ucking year? So he had written like more than 1 paper per day? 😂
It's crazy that people parade numbers like that and nobody calls out the very clear fraud. I know many people just put their name at the end of reaseach papers that their students or even friends wrote to keep up the numbers they need to keep their job but this is insane.
@@morgianasartre6709 ikr
@@piyusarkar3065 If Google Translate was reasonably accurate, he's the most cited researcher in Iran. Aren't we blessed that he decided to take his talents to this important hair loss treatment 🤡
@@LabMuffinBeautyScience wtf 😅
@@morgianasartre6709 More publishers should have a "no guests, no ghosts" policy when it comes to authors!
Thank you so much Lab Muffin. I was trying to explain Paper Mills and why publish or perish is ruining higher education (on many levels). I am now just sending them this video.
I'd never heard of this phenomenon but it's truly horrifying. I'm sure Michelle explained but I missed it watching the video, do the mills usually just fake the studies entirely?
retraction watch is like my weekly magazine read. as someone from academia, i find reading the stories there highly entertaining, very well written
@@pssurvivor It's such a public service! For Better Science is great in a different way, like the unhinged bitter uncle version of Retraction Watch.
@@LabMuffinBeautyScience thanks for the recommendation
I haven’t even watched the video yet, but I know it’s going to be incredible. Thank you for your amazing work.❤Your work genuinely inspires me to pursue research and science communication as a career.
Thank you, that's really lovely to hear!
IM EARLY !! its so shady that all this stuff happens ,, how are these frauds even still allowed to publish studies ? i feel like they should be on a blacklist at this point
@@hanamaomao I think so too, but journals earn money by publishing papers so there's no real incentive for anyone to do anything in the short term 🥲
This video is so insightful, people automatically assume that peer reviewed papers are legit, and this video just proof that they are not. I hate that this kind of shady stuff is even happening and so common in field like science.
We don't even know if these are peer-reviewed! This could all be pay-to-publish, minimal proofreading, then out the door. I work for a small, semi-niche scientific journal, and sometimes new contacts will write to ask if we're a "real journal". I don't mind educating them, but these garbage factories are making things even more difficult!
I'm so glad I found your channel, I bought your book literally today! ❤
@@d.on.in.a Thank you! Hope you enjoy it! 😊❤️
Over 250 papers a year?! I'm an active clinical scientist in the US and actively collaborate with academic institutions that include various clinical and non- clinical staff. We publish maybe 2-8 a year. To me, this is a textbook paper mill and a textbook example of just bad research and authorship. Thank you for sharing this video!!
Omg I purchased your book it was quite a task to get in india but I loved every bit of it. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge in this book in such a readable and easy to understand way.❤
I bought it from Amazon yesterday because it wasn't available anywhere else.
What is the name?
The Science of beauty by Dr. Michelle Wong@crism4965
@crism4965 The science of beauty, it's a good read ,you won't regret it
@@crism4965The Science of Beauty, it’s linked in the description box
So I’ve personally used Rosemary extract + atlas tree oil with coco caprylate with nettle and my hair loss was really decreased. I’ve tried comparing scalp massage only vs scalp massage with oil and it seems that oil gives more effect
Wow! Just wow! You are 1 in a million!!! This is so much work and effort and so helpful for all of us who need to know how to eliminate all this bad research! I was taught in nursing school how to analyze a paper but not this thorough! I wonder how many papers I’ve read and thought, this makes sense but in reality it probably isn’t 🤦🏻♀️ It really is helpful to read the entire paper! I never read the abstract and conclusion alone! It’s just fake news! Thank you for this video! You have no idea how grateful we are of you for making such high quality educational content! Thank you thank you 🙏🏻
I just want to say thank you for debunk this. Ive done research on this as well.
People are so drawn to natural treatments because they assume that because it's from nature it must be better and it must be healthier (which is obviously fallacious). The idea that it could grow hair it's largely unfounded. If anything, it could be the case that rosemary oil and other oils could have anti hair growth properties. Allergies could cause inflammation and lead to an environment of scarring Alopecias.
We now know the a defective PPAR-GAMMA receptor can cause for poor lipid metabolism and lead to scarring Alopecia is like lichen planopilaris and FFA.
Thanks for this video
People are drawn to natural treatments because it has become increasing clear (obvious) that everything is already available ion nature, and thats only scratching the surface. You anti-nature brigade despise anything outside of your control, outright denying peoples own experiences if you cant take credit for it. It's scientism (narcissism). A significant amount of ingredients used in beauty and food that are classed as GRAS, and that you will claim are safe, are so poorly studies and =frequently taken off the market due to side effects and death.
Science is a single method of discovery, not the only, and everything within science is subject to change- and it will. it might be nice to make yourself feel you know more than nature, or that you can create something more powerful that isnt already available but just not studied, but you cannot.
'Debunking' is often much weaker than initial claims being debunked, with poor science. Also note that, thanks to quantum physics and the placebo effect, observation alters outcome, and the mind/expectation has a significant effect.
You people need to relax and step back to know your place instead of shitting on people for finding solutions that they know the source of.
I really don’t get “appeal to nature” argument, especially in things like medicine and cosmetics. People spend time and extensive amount of money just to check if some specific component works (many of which were derived from natural ingredients), vs. “my grandma always used it when we were sick”.
On the other hand, all these paper mills - at least you can be sure your grandma had good intentions, I guess…
Please tell me more about LLP. I have scarring alopecia and my doctors don't know much about it. I am losing so much hair, trying many prescribed remedies. Nothing works 😢
Literally nothing will ever work. I'll try chasteberry and inosit now, but after that, I'm done. I've been researching for 10 years, there is no cure 🫠@@tuxedoneko9837
Rosemary oil (mixed with other carrier oils) worked for me so…it isn’t exactly a myth. Check out Camel Glow and look at the reviews.
Honestly fake research paper's is a huge problem in doctor Resident applications. I know that doctors will pay other people to write and publish a paper for them bc it's pretty much a bad look if on your applications you don't have research on it and it will hurt your chances on actually matching. And if you can't match, you have to wait 1 year for the next application cycle. So they have a huge incentive to have research on their application even if its bogus.
@@mahnoorkhan7601 Yes! It's a huge driver of Chinese paper mill usage - apparently it is/was a requirement to publish to even graduate from med school there.
I started on your channel looking for something shallow like how do I make my skin look good. Your channel is one of the more intellectual and educating videos on my feed now.
Just brilliant, please keep up the good work!
I love how dedicated you are to the truth, regardless of whether it works or not. You can only state the facts, and the facts don’t support that. I fully respect what you do.
I loved your first rosemary oil myth busting video. I love that you're being even more thorough with this one! I struggle with female pattern hair loss and am so glad you busted the rosemary oil myth for hair loss. I don't have to waste my time with it! 😊
minoxidl all the way baby
Rosemary oil (mixed with other carrier oils) worked for me so…it isn’t exactly a myth. Check out Camel Glow and look at the reviews.
This is really incredible work, Michelle! Not only doing the research to debunk the false studies, but also presenting them in a way that is easy for the average person to understand.
This is so incredibly depressing :( Why must everything be corrupt?!
My exact thoughts
Easy! because there is money in it
Cuz capitalism and sincerity can’t coexist
i love the lawsuit protection edits ,, "allegedly" is the best legal defence
The natural hair girlies needs to get on this now.
Edit: Sorry if my comment was too vague! I didn't realize that anyone could use rosemary oil for their hair! I was only familiar with 4C hair people recommending this.
Also literal medical doctors 😬
They’re not going to stop using/promoting rosemary oil - one influencer who kept hyping up rosemary oil acknowledged that the studies may be faulty but then they pretty much said ‘whatever, it works for me, I’m going to continue using it’.
Many use oils on their scalp for other reasons as well, although I would go so far to say those are due to underlying issues that oils cannot address either.
@@frankynipprrrraitoo9095 And thats okay.. science doesn't own knowledge. If you dont care about anecdotes, ignore them.
Remember that these are the same girls who put banana and apple cider vinegar in their hair 😬
The fact they're simply using duplicate images, only stretching them to create the illusion of a difference, is killing me.
I love this deep dive! I knew people used chatgpt these days for papers and that bs science gets published, but I wasn't aware of how big the issue was. Thank you for all the time you put into this video! I love this type of content but I know that too often that it's a lot of work for not much of a response. Please keep doing what you do! The mix of science and beauty products is a highlight of my day whenever you post!
Such a beautiful video!!! You are a breath of fresh air in a world filled with misinformation. Please don't change I couldn't find any faults in your videos. Keep up the good work, Dr. Michelle.
Wow this is insane! Thank you so much for everything you do. All of your content is so thorough and easy to understand.
I hope something is done to put and end to all of the bad research out there. Until then, keep doing what you’re doing and fighting the good fight. The more people are informed the better our chances are.
Just commenting to say I hate AI. I hate AI.
Me too!!! 😭 I need to start a series of posts with dumb answers AI gives to math problems, to help students understand that AI is very A and not much I
I definitely relate to the frustration about ai. But ai has also helped to expose the fraud.
@@auricia201I love a comment I've seen somewhere on RUclips, it went like this, "sometimes AI stands for Actual Incompetence".
I'm actually scared as to how quickly some people have switched to AI over a regular search engine, where you can check the links as well as see the summary (on some ones, and the summaries definitely don't always paint a full picture - AI again?)
@auricia201 chatgpt is a large language model, I always remind people. This means it answers questions based on how language rules work, not how math rules work. Hence: for a long time, it would answer "can a set be both open and closed" with no, when you can literally google that shit and you'll get the correct answer.
(Context: it says no because in English the words open and closed are opposites, whereas in mathematics they are used to mean different concepts.)
Why do you hate me what have I done to you? NO.
it’s like my great great grandfather used to say back in the day: “if the website of the peer reviewed journal has a link scroller in the banner, it’s not a good sign.”
Your great great grandfather said that? How old are you? How long did he live?
I went to several dermatologist forn androgenic alopecia and they seemed to recommend me hair serum or sprays and it was later did i realised that they were working with the brand and promoting their products.
It was a family doctor who prescribed me minoxidil. Michelle your last video on rosemary did save my money since I've already wasted enough. I hope your videos get more views and more ppl know about this channel :3
This is profoundly disturbing. One suspects but confirmation is disheartening.
How do you feel about topical caffeine for androgenic alopecia? I recall it was quite sketchy since the studies were made by a caffeine shampoo manufacturer. But I'm hearing it getting recommended again lately.
Yeah in my country a caffeine shampoo for hair loss in women is very popular and i always wondered if it really did anything
@@arbitrary_raspberry maybe try it instead of sitting with your finger in your ass waiting for approval from limited papers
I'm on my second bottle of rosemary oil. I didn't use much of it, just every second day for about a year now and I honestly don't see much of a difference. What I hate though is how oily my hair gets after using it and I also get some zits on my scalp sometimes, especially if by accident I apply more. I think after watching this video I'll just stop wasting my time and using it. If I'll start seeing more issues coming up in the future, I'll just go to a dermatologist instead. Thank you for sharing this information with all of us!
I used rosemary and it worked for me. You’re using it incorrectly. First of all, you can’t use it alone as it’s too irritating and can even lead to hair fall. You have to mix it with a carrier oil like castor oil or pumpkinseed oil. You’re supposed to massage it on your scalp and leave it on for 2-3 hours ONLY then wash your hair with a clarifying shampoo to get rid of all the oil and grease. Do this twice or 3 times a week only, not every second day.
@@Sarah.G_2 3 times a week = every second day, which is what I said. That rosemary oil was already mixed with other oils so you could apply it directly, but I used to leave it overnight.
@@davemk9 I use it twice a week and space it out. Some people use it 3 times a week but I think twice is ideal. Many people like myself have seen results, so I don’t know why this scientist is insisting that it doesn’t work. I mean sure some people may not see any results at all but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t work for others. Search up Camel Glow oil and look at the reviews.
Hey, have you ever addressed the rumor that cold hair makes your hair shinier/closes the cuticle of your hair? That's a piece of advice that I've seen thrown around a lot
My two favourite episodes. I would love more scam deep dives in the scientific sphere
I hate how people prey upon the insecurities of others. I have alopecia and have lost over half my hair now. EVERYONE is suddenly an expert and trying to flog you stuff. I dont bother having my hair cut now as im sick of hairdressers trying to sell my a £50 bottle of shampoo claiming my hair will regrow in just 6 weeks lol.
If its not a topical product its a supplement.
I’m slowly losing all my once thick and pretty hair. Do you recommend anything? For years I’ve been trying to grow it back and nothing
@@Lure420 Minoxidil will help a little bit... maybe, results vary person to person, might not even work for you. The only solution is hair transplant... it's expensive because its a very long surgery (approx 10 hours) and it's the only menthod which works.
@@Lure420this is gonna sound so basic and ridiculous - but going through the same thing and biotin, hair oil called amazing hair saviour, zinc, and more fish and egg diet def seems to be helping me !
I have wavy hair & tried a bottle of the oil because even Dr Dray said it *could* be helpful but be careful because fragrance allergies. I never used it consistently at all & then this stuff started coming out so I threw it out.
Old Dr sellout
@@ConquerCollin 😆
@Colin Not tolerating Dr Dray slander here smh
Having been in biomedical research for years, the numbers and fields (and retractions) of publications by these authors are fucking ridiculous. Thanks for the further enlightening of how much this paper mill study is gaslighting the whole haircare industry
As a guy and scientist who is also into skincare, I’ve been watching your channel for over a year. this (plus part 1) video was the first I could send to some of my male friends, most of which are very much not into skincare.
Thank you very much for your thorough investigations and clarity in all of your videos (not just this one). As a fellow scientist, I hold your standards in highest regards.
Thank you for not being a sellout!
Thank you for informing us once again!!! Your argument is really solid and even counted for the counter-arguments. I'll look forward to seeing your other vids! I don't really like science, but your stuff is interesting!
Thanks so much for a continuation video, Michelle! I'm trying to put together a checklist or training for some of my staff of sus things to check for when reading through scientific articles/publications, and this video is a real help! This whole paper mills thing is so terrifying, we all really should be talking about it more. Also: BIG THANKS for the warning about the mouse images--I definitely have a phobia so I appreciate the opportunity to skip ahead!
wow this is my first time watching this channel and can i say that you are a star for this !! i have never seen anyone simplify scientific jargon into such a digestible format as well as you do. i hope ur yt career grows and lasts very long
Learning about the amount of misinformation and the incentives to contribute to it is so depressing. Thank you so much for everything you do to combat it and help us learn
This is like the rice water hype, which everyone thought was good for hair but it subsequently caused a lot of breakage. I dislike natural ingredients, so many cause more harm than good when it comes to cosmetics and hair, and from reading your book, it is good to know that natural is not always better, especially with it being unregulated
As someone who lost some of my hair permanently to traction alopecia as well as just like pulling it out as a kid, i fucking hate this rosemary shit. I use minoxidil to make the hair i have left look thicker to disguise the loss and thinning, i tried rosemary it didn’t do shit except make my scalp itchy leading me to start picking at it again 😭 and then i tell people about the hairloss and they’re like “ have you tried rosemary oil” and i just, ahhhhhhhh
Would you consider doing a video on newer (to retail users at least) OTC ingredients like Capixyl, Redensyl, Anagain, Procapil & Baicapil with hair growth claims?
These are very common in "hair growth" products in India.
Redensyl and Caffeine also feature in The Ordinary's hair density serum.
Some big brands are also getting on this bandwagon. There's a density boost line from Dove available at select etailers in my country now. It includes a scalp serum with niacinamide and zinc-peptides that claims to have "clinically proven 10,000 more hair strands in 8 weeks".
It would be very educational to know what the research on these ingredients actually shows and if consumers should consider spending money on them.
Thank you in advance if you choose to cover this topic in a future video!
How demoralizing to realize that there are so many prolific dodgy 'scientists' out there. Goes along with my rising mistrust of photos, memes etc, that you slowly realize must be AI generated and therefore one develops an increasing mistrust of everything. sigh....
The trouble is the system and lack of education around this. There have always been morally bankrupt people in society doctors aren’t exempt from this or making mistakes. A medical doctor differs from someone with a PhD who tends to be able to discern information differently and think critically because they’ve studied differently ( I guess I sometimes think of it as a doctor of thought, not trying to put down MDs). So, I don’t think all the derms recommendations for this study are meant to misguide you if that helps. You live you learn.
Al isn’t altogether bad if used as a tool but I do understand the mistrust and science is trying to be better :)
I love how you not only educate us on the science of beauty but also on how to interpret scientific literature. I’m currently doing my phd and the publish or perish struggle is real
Thank you for another awesome video! It is scary to think decisions are being made by "studies" like these! I work in medicine so I'm feeling extra gross right now. I wish everyone knew about you and your work, it should be required learning!
YES!!! Michelle, you are my hero. Thank you for being so incredibly thorough in your myth-busting and laying out all the evidence in an objective way, as a scientist should! You are a torch-bearer for truth in the beauty industry.
It's amazing how low the standard for peer review has fallen. Maybe it's never been as good as we like to think, but the fact that this got through and I've seen all of these actual doctors accept it as good science really is scary. These journals really need to have a higher standard for honesty and transparency of the abstracts. Doctors are literally basing their advice on what they read in them!
Did it not always depend on the journal? Some are reputable, some are not.
My hair has been thinning for a while. I bought the rosemary oil and used it every night. For six months my hair was luscious. Soft, smooth, and it was definitely thicker. Noticeably so. I really thought this product was working. And then suddenly about six months in my hair started to fall out DRAMATICALLY. Not in clumps, it was all over, but literally handfuls of hair. I stopped using the hair oil and after a few weeks the shedding stopped. I don’t know if it was the oil but what a roller coaster that was. It’s been about six months since I stopped using the oil and I’d say my hair is back to how it was before I tried the oil.
great video! I am a dermatologist, and this last study on topical rosemary was laughable. Dermatologist are trained to read pathology/histology slides. I will say you can manipulate the number of hair follicles seen on a slide by how the slide is cut or processed. The best way to process a biopsy to count hairs would be a vertical or a horizontal section, not transverse as was done here. That is standard protocol when we do scalp biopsies to diagnose alopecias in our patients. Also the whole premise of this study...shaving hair off of a mice's back is not the same as androgenic alopecia where people have miniaturization of the hair follicle and follicular drop-out gradually. ugh!
Thank you so much for exposing and explaining these topics! This is the type of information that actually needs to spread 💞💞
A rosemary hair growth oil is the only thing I used that significantly helped regrow my hair loss and fill my hairline, bald spots super fast! So much that other people noticed and asked what I was doing or using! Since then it’s helped so many others in my life who were also battling hair loss. Plus it doesn’t have all the side effects that minoxidil does, such as hair falling out once you stop using minoxidil! I’d choose rosemary oil!
Postpartum hairloss resolves on it's own though.
did you use rosemary essential oil?
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@@morgianasartre6709 Yeah, but not in a few weeks it doesn’t, it typically takes many months or over a year.
did the original commenter edit their comment only to remove that it was postpartum hairloss? that’s a bit odd
Thank you! Also, love your book. Such beautiful visuals!
Rosemary oil did nothing for me but give me super inflamed, oily hair follicles which has most likely contributed to the hairloss I was experiencing. I unfollowed all the hair IG accounts, booked an appointment with a trichologist who got to the bottom of my issues. And the treatment did NOT involve oil or monoxidil.
What was your diagnosis and treatment?
Theyre not ready for this one!
Your sense of humor is priceless. Even this is something to cry about
You confirm my snake oil confirmation bias theory as correct. But you also have opened my eyes to how prolific and widespread (with HUGE incentives) the deception in peer reviewed science papers is. This is a crushing blow, as a retired nurse I’m used to research based practices, and have tried to use that in my own health (and my daughters) journey. If i cant rely on my scientific research, what can I rely on?
There is no scientific integrity if you can't control for human desperation
Of course this RN science nerd has suspected all of this re: rosemary scalp oil. However, I am on my fourth bottle of Mielle and I use it for the pleasant sensorial effect and I use it 3x/wk with a good scalp massage. My hunch is that my healthy scalp and beautiful hair is due to the regular scalp massage. 😉
You addressed this just in time, I've been thinking of purchasing just to try out. I've been seeing the same kind of benefits touted for Castor oil, is this also just not really proven to do anything for hair growth?
Talk to a dermatologist!
I am doing my phd now. I am studying licorice root extract for skincare use. We did an antibacterial assay that showed great activity on streptococus and staphilococus strains, but weak on e.coli. i wrote that in the paper. My professor told me to take out the part that it didn't have good results with e.coli (altough it is evident in the results section). I found it was stupid to bot take the "negative" results into consideration. That is also very significant. Will never understand why...
I always feel really lucky I was able to take a couple courses on how to find the validity, biases, and plagiarism within academic journals, most forms of media, and news sources. It’s really shocking the amount of people that will just accept something because it was written by a doctor, supposedly.
Thank you for these videos because I want this to be more commonly known, not just stuck behind the doors of a university or tens of hundreds of Google searches in the topic.
This was interesting and kinda scary. Misinformation spreads like fire even among professionals 🫤
Exactly. I'm an esthetician and seeing fellow esthies spewing the same and harmful misinformation is crazy!
Yes! This is why people still drink things like Gatorade thinking it’s a healthy drink!
Dr. Labmuffin is out here doing the lord’s work 👏🏻
✨🤩🙌🏽Brilliant as always Michelle! Additionally, I’m a proud owner of your book in South Africa 🇿🇦🫶🏽 and it’s 🤌🏾
I have tried rosemary oil a couple of times & found my hair was actually thinning from doing so. I was baffled at this given the RUclips videos citing these studies. Now I understand why I didn't get positive effects! Thank you!
Came here to learn about dodgy paper practices. I don't even care about rosemary oil lol
no one asked you to
Sad. Is Minoxidil safe long-term? What other alternative are there? (Not oral)
Yes, great questions
Well done, Michelle, proud of you
This makes me sad, i have hair loss because of thyroid issues and pcos, and i just got rosemary oil, and i was so excited to use it. Now im just put off, i guess it was too good to be true...
You can still use it up since you already have it! I'm sorry this happened! Perhaps use it for aromatherapy instead.
I don't know your situation of course, but maybe you can look into your nutrition. I had hairlossproblems also because of thyroid issues and I got much better with changing my eating habits and I also had low iron, so since taking additional Iron, it got a lot better.
You get your iron levels checked by a doctor (i would not just take it without knowing, it has side effects if you are overdosed)
your hair loss is acceptable and okay, even if you never find a fix! humans are a genetic mess, no use in being mad at your body~
It makes a nice massaging oil anyways, but make sure it doesn't clog your scalp pores.
You can still benfit from a placebo effect
Appreciate you covering hairloss related topics.
Appreciate the warning. Btw, you said most things that work on rodents don’t work on humans. Why are we still doing animal testing then? Is there no alternative?
There are alternatives for some things (a lot of it was developed by the cosmetic industry!), but not for all risks, and a lot of regulatory agencies don't accept them yet - it's actually one of the big reasons the US is having a sunscreen filter crisis, the FDA doesn't accept non-animal testing methods and the rest of the world has banned it for cosmetics, so it's stuck in a limbo.
@@LabMuffinBeautyScience wow! That's very interesting! Thanks for the insight, I appreciate it so much! Hopefully we can keep progressing and moving away from animal testing! 🙏🏼
Also in clinical trials*, animals often receive dosages x1000 times higher or more (to mass ratio). Usually because they're measuring other factors, like: what ascending dosage leads to effectiveness, to adverse effects, to organ failure, and/or death. These become inputs to calculate safe dosages for humans by the time they reach phase 1 studies (whole complex models vs simple animal models).
*For therapeutics; can't speak for cosmetics
PS don't get me started on organoids as an alternative
Really appreciate the image warnings and chapters! I ❤learning from your work and it was so thoughtful of you to warn scaredy-cats like me.
I'm also an editor (not in the science field tho). It takes so much work combing through this stuff and analyzing if there is some strange thing going on, so thank you!
Thank you for explaining all these details that actually matter a lot
Love this debunk.
Super important for us to understand. Thanks for helping us be more critical consumers of scientific media!!
I would love to see a video like this about castor oil since there has been at least one study that discusses that castor oil may cause prostaglandin production in the skin
something i learned from people much smarter than me is “you can only be a true expert in maybe 1-3 things.” the author of that paper was SO sketch in so many ways. this was an awesome video, thank you.
This is SO interesting. Please please please make more videos of this type where you question academic rigor!!!!
I was literally just researching this! 😂 thank you!
this was really enlightening! i'd love to see a video on other "natural hair loss remedies" like fenugreek.
i love me some science gossip
Hi! Can you do the one research with pumpkin seed oil? I think they're the second oil that is like to be mentioned by other dermatologists
Awesome video. You actually breaking down the evidence from a critical appraisal perspective of is everything!!!! Have you already done a video on k18, I can’t seem to find one?
Thanks for Your work in promoting true science.
Will You do some you tube review of the male pattern hairl loss treatment in general?
As a guy who has been struggling with hair loss since my mid 20's, I really appreciate these videos!
I don't really care about Rosemary oil but you breaking down how research works is amazing.
Thank you
thank you, michelle🙈💖 your vids are indescribable💎✨
I really enjoyed this video, it might be my favorite of yours so far. One thought I had, It’s unfortunate how many low-quality papers are widely shared simply because they’re free, while high-quality research is mostly paywalled. At least the skills to detect and evaluate these papers can be taught and learned by anyone, thanks for teaching your skills.