Attempting to Fire the ‘71 Charger Super Bee

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  • @frnkbooth6871
    @frnkbooth6871 13 дней назад +3

    Your methodical problem resolution skills are far superior to most RUclipsrs and many mechanics. Must have been learned in the military or trade school. They will never fail you.

    • @frnkbooth6871
      @frnkbooth6871 13 дней назад

      Quick tip. What matters is the voltage to the coil during crank. Not unloaded or no load. This is confirmed by spark during no plugs because the starter has no engine load. If the starter is old and the brushes are worn, you will have huge voltage drop across the starter. These starters are notoriously bad even when new. This sounds like my old 69 super bee. Terrible.

    • @FanelliRestorations
      @FanelliRestorations  13 дней назад +2

      Thank you very much for that! I am not classically trained, just the accumulation of 11 years of my own trial and error, successes, and the years as a kid learning from my uncle. It’s my passion and when you love something you’ll always push harder to be better and know more.

  • @MaxSupercars
    @MaxSupercars 13 дней назад +9

    The problem is the starter. It spins very slowly and tries very hard. The starter with enough voltage from battery must spin the shaft like crazy. Your's got a problem. If you say that the shaft spins freely, starter is the problem. I wish you a lot of success bringing this beauty to life, hmm... awakening the beast... 😃 I got the '73 Charger and love to watch every part of this restoration... 😊 Enjoy the work... 😊

    • @FanelliRestorations
      @FanelliRestorations  13 дней назад +2

      Thanks friend! Yea the starter is certainly a problem, I ordered a new one and will be installing it this weekend. Hopefully a more successful video next week to share, thanks for the support 💪🏼🏁

    • @travis361
      @travis361 13 дней назад

      Hope that does it for you. It can be so frustrating Finding these problems .If it turns out that it’s not the starter and the valves are free the only other thing I can think of is the piston pins have snug up (aluminum to steel pin) from moisture from sitting a long time. The motor can still rotate in this condition however it’s too much load for the starter. They will free up but unfortunately, it would have to come apart to do that. After thinking back I believe my 383 had that issue
      as well. I was ready to throw the engine into the Hudson River!!😂

  • @brawler1997-v6t
    @brawler1997-v6t 12 дней назад +2

    I have the same hood on my 73 charger 340 I'm having my transmission rebuild can't wait to get it back nice video btw

    • @FanelliRestorations
      @FanelliRestorations  12 дней назад

      Power bulge Ramcharger hoods rock! Good luck with it I’m sure you’re excited, and thank you

  • @travis361
    @travis361 13 дней назад +1

    Hi there I love your car it is a real time capsule. I have been watching the progress and love your enthusiasm. I see your having problems getting it to spin faster. I have a 68 charger and a few years back I pulled an engine from a 68 Newport that had sat for a very long time. My engine did the same thing that yours is doing! It turn out to be a couple of stuck valves! You might want tap each valve to confirm they are free. Hope that does it! Real nice car. Best hobby in the world!!

    • @FanelliRestorations
      @FanelliRestorations  12 дней назад

      Thank you for the support my man! It’s certainly my passion and I love sharing it. Think the valves are ok but I haven’t checked the passenger side you never know, the main issue for now is that it isn’t cranking fast enough. Hobby and an addiction, it’s a lifestyle…thank you take care💪🏼

  • @kevkilian
    @kevkilian 11 дней назад +1

    Awesome video, it's awful how frustrating things like this can be, I had a similar issue with my duster and it drove me nuts. I replaced my old starter with a Dakota starter,and my God it was so much better

    • @FanelliRestorations
      @FanelliRestorations  11 дней назад

      Thank you for your support my man, glad you were able to resolve you issue with your duster with it! I’ve used Dakota starters on a few different vehicles in the past and had great success and I am holding the new one in my hand right now about to give it a shot today so hopefully within the next week you guys see a successful first fire up video, fingers crossed🤞🏼

  • @kermitmawyer1743
    @kermitmawyer1743 12 дней назад +1

    GOOD. Job 😊😊😊😊

  • @is3180
    @is3180 13 дней назад +2

    Still great content .....learned so much ....thanks 4 sharing ur wisdom...✌️

    • @FanelliRestorations
      @FanelliRestorations  13 дней назад

      I appreciate hearing that, I learned a lot too! It’s always a process and a journey. 💪🏼🏁

  • @joesturdivant7843
    @joesturdivant7843 7 дней назад +1

    I love that body style I had one for my first car

    • @FanelliRestorations
      @FanelliRestorations  7 дней назад

      Same here man, my very first MOPAR was a 71 charger SE I had in 2014. Love the fuselage styling

  • @derekdarter8164
    @derekdarter8164 13 дней назад +2

    I’m here to 2nd the starter. I have the same crusty original car and 383, mine needed a new starter to start reliably after everything else was sorted.

    • @FanelliRestorations
      @FanelliRestorations  13 дней назад

      You know it man, ordered a new one earlier today. Should be the fix to get this old girl firing again after so long!

    • @derekdarter8164
      @derekdarter8164 13 дней назад

      @@FanelliRestorations good luck! Getting a gear reduction starter out with headers is a PITA. Don’t be like me and break a manifold stud off in the head.. not a fun time

  • @JoeFilardi
    @JoeFilardi 12 дней назад +1

    hi good ep you will get it up and running soon ok.

    • @FanelliRestorations
      @FanelliRestorations  12 дней назад

      Thank you very much! I am sure I will, hopefully this weekend 🏁

  • @Brannons64
    @Brannons64 13 дней назад +2

    I know a worn out Mopar starter when I hear it!😂

  • @benshore7357
    @benshore7357 13 дней назад +2

    Good times 🎉 a for effort with this one 🎉

  • @dda90100
    @dda90100 13 дней назад +1

    I love this, been there 20 times or so in my life with old cars and trucks, what's voltage with starter + ignition loaded? that's why starters aren't always hit or miss, bad starters can often work with overvolting and lesser with an undervolted system.

    • @FanelliRestorations
      @FanelliRestorations  13 дней назад

      A valid question and something I thought about after I was out there, to check voltage on the starter and coil during cranking, but after more research, I discovered that voltage doesn’t necessarily mean the current flow is optimal, it still C 12.6 V at the coil but have flow of current reduced. That starter is 54 years old and sat stagnant, unused for 34 so I think it’s time. Thank you tho!

  • @fixitjames3388
    @fixitjames3388 13 дней назад +5

    Get an early 90's Dakota starter and you'll have a high torque mini starter and will bolt right up

    • @FanelliRestorations
      @FanelliRestorations  13 дней назад +1

      You’re on it, Dakota mini starters rock used many and one is being delivered to local parts store tomorrow!

  • @scottloughnan1358
    @scottloughnan1358 12 дней назад +2

    Subscribed

  • @rexfordgarrison4883
    @rexfordgarrison4883 13 дней назад +2

    I had to remove the header on the 440 in my challenger to get the starter out, 2 hour job, the mini starter went in easier.

    • @FanelliRestorations
      @FanelliRestorations  13 дней назад +1

      Yes that’s the plan pop the header pop the motor mount bolt raise engine a hair get the old starter out put the new one in, mini starters rock in this case (working around long tubes)

  • @roycervantes1341
    @roycervantes1341 13 дней назад +2

    Good afternoon,,,,,,,, Yeee Yeee 😊😊😊😊😊😊

  • @SRT-x9p
    @SRT-x9p 13 дней назад +1

    The reluctor gap is adjustable on that Summit distributor, but you should use a brass feeler gauge to measure it.

    • @FanelliRestorations
      @FanelliRestorations  13 дней назад

      Correct they are with the adjuster screw, the gap is also angled tho tighter at the bottom vs top and inconsistent

  • @DMCL74
    @DMCL74 10 дней назад

    when starting and old motor use new stock ignition parts too may variables added just saying.great car keep it simple .

  • @ryanmuir6338
    @ryanmuir6338 13 дней назад +3

    Give those battery cable connections and power and ground fastener hardware a brush coat of copper anti-seize

    • @FanelliRestorations
      @FanelliRestorations  13 дней назад

      Certainly a good option, I usually put dielectric grease, but that works as well!

  • @scottkovacs7634
    @scottkovacs7634 13 дней назад +2

    Needs a new starter mini starter for a 360 from a mid to late 90s Mopar

  • @MoparJimmy
    @MoparJimmy 13 дней назад +1

    Electrical gremlins' suck, keep at it brother. love the Bills sweatshirt, I'm from Buffalo but I live in Vegas NOW.

    • @FanelliRestorations
      @FanelliRestorations  13 дней назад

      Thanks man! That’s actually a Hills East hoodie from my highschool but I am from NY, lived near Rochester years ago so I appreciate bills territory💪🏼

  • @MichaelMarini-il5fg
    @MichaelMarini-il5fg 13 дней назад +2

    You needed to do a starter draw test. That starter is against the header. Windings are roasted. Un bolt the header and pull the motor mount bolt out. Jack the engine up and use a mini starter. Been theremany time's

    • @FanelliRestorations
      @FanelliRestorations  13 дней назад

      Well if you had brought over your starter load tester I woulda did one! Yes I have as well, that’s the plan my man💪🏼

  • @samuelgoodman2825
    @samuelgoodman2825 13 дней назад +1

    Make sure to check your fusible links and always keep them.Many times they have saved many of my own cars from burning up.

  • @eddiemathers1721
    @eddiemathers1721 13 дней назад +1

    You need to pull the number 1 spark plug out stick your finger over the hole roll the motor over until it gets to TDC on the compression stroke pull the cap off and see if the rotor is pointing to number one if not then you need to pull out the dis and pull out the oil gear shaft with a screw driver and put it back in with the slot facing from front to back.

    • @FanelliRestorations
      @FanelliRestorations  13 дней назад

      I rotated the engine around and watched valve events but certainly that is a method, I also have a Borescope I could stick in there and see the piston or even look on the balancer for timing marks. Plenty of methods, thanks!

  • @shanesmith8920
    @shanesmith8920 13 дней назад +1

    Get an early 1990s (1991-1995 IIRC) Dodge Dakota starter. Way easier fit with headers than the giant OEM one, and it will crank over faster. You may have to take off a little black adapter bracket if of the starter body. Rock Auto has them cheap.

    • @FanelliRestorations
      @FanelliRestorations  13 дней назад

      Already ahead of you, correct! Ordered one today, I’ve used the “Dakota mini starters “a few times in the past and had success. Thank you

  • @ferlandocarter4033
    @ferlandocarter4033 13 дней назад +1

    Hey my friend got another suggestion for ya my charger did not like that accel either go with a standard or blaster coil also my 440 has a mini mag starter on it it will serve you very well cause what u dont do to ur car ur car will let u know take care my friend !!!!

    • @FanelliRestorations
      @FanelliRestorations  13 дней назад +1

      Thank you for your recommendations. I appreciate it my man, I already ordered a mini starter to put into it and I’m definitely going to get it to fire likely with that MSD coil.

  • @fixitjames3388
    @fixitjames3388 13 дней назад +2

    It needs a starter! It only spun fast when it had no plugs because there was no load on the starter

    • @FanelliRestorations
      @FanelliRestorations  13 дней назад

      That is correct as I stated at the end of the video!💪🏼

  • @rustypliers74
    @rustypliers74 13 дней назад +3

    It’s a weak starter, mine did the same then died. She will run!

  • @Komet163B
    @Komet163B 12 дней назад

    I have the same car. Mine also had long tube headers on it when I bought it. I removed them and replaced them with the stock HP exhaust manifolds. Didn’t hear you say anything about the gas tank or the fuel. If it’s been sitting for 33 years, I would not use the gas tank in the car. I’d replace the tank and the fuel lines. But first provide the carb with gas from an external source when starting the engine.

    • @FanelliRestorations
      @FanelliRestorations  12 дней назад

      You have a B5 blue 1971 Dodge Charger Super Bee? That definitely works, I like the long tube headers. I didn’t point out that I cut the fuel hose in this video, but you can see that there is no fuel line connected to the carburetor so yes, I disconnected the line so I am not pulling up old fuel and introducing it to the engine. You can see in the video that I pour fuel through the carburetor and fill the bowls.

    • @Komet163B
      @Komet163B 11 дней назад

      @ I have a GY3 Citron Yella 1971 Charger Super Bee 383 Magnum auto with N96 and the Gull Wing. Though mine is a column shift with bucket seats. I got rid of the long tube headers because they wouldn’t clear the Borgeson power steering box that I installed, to replace the leaking factory power steering box. Mine also came with power disc brakes up front.

  • @rustypliers74
    @rustypliers74 13 дней назад +1

    I also got a new harness from classic industries

  • @MAGLtd-hh3ct
    @MAGLtd-hh3ct 13 дней назад +1

    I had my 440 do that, turn real slow,replaced the starter ,still did the same thing, ended up pulling the engine apart, only to find the wrist pins were seizing on the pistons , I hope that it’s only the starter ,🤞

    • @FanelliRestorations
      @FanelliRestorations  13 дней назад

      That’s what I was concerned about as well, but the engine spins over plenty fine with no spark plugs in it and with the spark plugs in it I am able to turn it over with a ratchet at the same rate that I can turn over my other 383 and 440. It feels the same resistance-wise so it doesn’t seem like there’s an internal lock up. But we’ll know here soon when I put a new starter in! Thank you💪🏼

  • @paulthompson8642
    @paulthompson8642 13 дней назад +1

    Love these/ fuel pump seem not to be given any fuel

    • @FanelliRestorations
      @FanelliRestorations  13 дней назад

      Thank you! Was hard reliving this day/night editing this but also lots of lessons learned!

  • @ryanmuir6338
    @ryanmuir6338 13 дней назад +1

    M&H Electric Fabricators makes authentic reproduction harnesses so you can get rid of all that Accel and GM looking split loom stuff. I think they only sell through that Year One parts house

    • @FanelliRestorations
      @FanelliRestorations  13 дней назад

      Good tip, eventually, I will clean this up right now. I just want to see the old girl fire up!

  • @Vipto69
    @Vipto69 13 дней назад +2

    Change starter high torque starter will turn over fast

  • @SandraOrminski
    @SandraOrminski 13 дней назад +1

    if that 383 has all stock internals that torker intake doesnt like stock components. the torker intake turns on from 3500-6000 rpm. the stock cam in that form is aprox 1500- 5500 rpm. people always back in the 1970s and early 1980s thought you would have a race car if they just bolted on engine parts and not knowing were those powerband ranges really were. i always tried to help my freinds when i was in school back in the eighties. i was always concerned how everybodies cars wer running. not to be a no itall or a jerk but did you check the starter. that comutator and armature in that starter is probably fried from those junk and i mean junk headers. stock manifolds that ignition is a awesome setup on a smallblock and big block mopars. setting up the curves on mopar distributors can be a pain in the ass!i would put a stock iron intake and a 600 edelbrock manual choke or a 650 avs 2 carb. those cal custom valve covers are not only rare but awesome if painted and the fins sanded and clear coated. i wonder if that bee has 3.55 or 3.23 for gears. if it were stock with 3.55s it would climb some walls. makes you wonder why some of the police forces ran the 383s they caught alot of idiots. put a starter in that jewel .i have a high torque one and it works good in the 440 that i have in my 69 coronet 440. that has a 0.030 os low compression 440 with about 300 hp and runs perfect. hope you get it running and get rid of all of the squirrel bolt on junk. that torker likes those electric feul pumps the plenum or runners are to steep. hope you have another part to this one . that functional hood is worth its weight in gold as every thing else is on these old muscle cars are. i will check out the next one. rpms should be about 600-800 for factory and initial timing 8-10 degrees and max should be 34-38 degrees. compression on the 1971 383 was advertised at 8.75 about 135 lbs per cylinder.make another video on this jewel i will be waiting for it!

    • @ryanmuir6338
      @ryanmuir6338 13 дней назад

      Yup, single plane intakes are nfg for a street car, makes absolutely no sense Edelbrock calling them Torkers when they make less torque than a dual plane intake. I had a 69 M code Mach 1 with a single plane Holley intake, and switching to a Buddy Bar C9OX intake really improved drivability

    • @FanelliRestorations
      @FanelliRestorations  13 дней назад

      Don’t know for sure but likely stock internals, was told it was rebuilt before parked. Borescope showed they were still flattop stock style pistons, valve train still solid shaft rockers. It’s not a bad Intake but correct it comes alive at higher RPM, which I always found to be a misnomer about them labeling it a “torker” even tho single planes are typically better at higher rpm, the name makes it sound like it would be torquing which is something we usually care more about at lower rpm. Might change it or leave it depends how the car runs when it’s all up again. Guy added the same torker rpm intake on my 67 coronet 383 and been running it for 8 years on the street, still fun. Anyways thanks for the insights!

  • @MrCuda408
    @MrCuda408 13 дней назад +1

    I think you need to change out the starter for a new mini starter

    • @FanelliRestorations
      @FanelliRestorations  13 дней назад +1

      Yes that is the plan my man

    • @MrCuda408
      @MrCuda408 13 дней назад

      @@FanelliRestorations Love the car,I can't wait to hear it run.

  • @340dave6
    @340dave6 13 дней назад +1

    Like everyone else is saying, bad starter, also id probably order yourself a new reproduction engine harness. i’d be checking out the timing chain also , the factory timing chain has nylon gears and like to eat valves.

    • @FanelliRestorations
      @FanelliRestorations  12 дней назад

      Like I said as well yes, the starter is on its way out! Good call on the timing set I learned that with my wife’s grandfather on another 440 we tore down and saw the nylon on the gears. Will keep that in mind 💪🏼

  • @RoadHeros610
    @RoadHeros610 13 дней назад +1

    The starter and double check timing

  • @scottkovacs7634
    @scottkovacs7634 13 дней назад

    Get rid of the after market tach and use the factory tach

  • @Dartman440
    @Dartman440 12 дней назад

    You need a new starter. 👌

  • @MichaelSummers-ko2fj
    @MichaelSummers-ko2fj 13 дней назад +2

    It's your starter

  • @daynalynds8719
    @daynalynds8719 12 дней назад

    Could the distributer be in wrong sounds like its out of time

    • @FanelliRestorations
      @FanelliRestorations  12 дней назад +1

      I flipped it 180 to be sure and checked firing order so it’s good, just weak starter

    • @daynalynds8719
      @daynalynds8719 11 дней назад

      @@FanelliRestorations cant wait to hear it running been following

  • @rexfordgarrison4883
    @rexfordgarrison4883 13 дней назад

    Started is dragging, get a mini starter from summit

  • @kermitmawyer1743
    @kermitmawyer1743 12 дней назад

    It. Ok. Man.

  • @moonlighting44
    @moonlighting44 13 дней назад

    blip the throttle so the gas can fall into the manifold

    • @FanelliRestorations
      @FanelliRestorations  13 дней назад

      The butterflies were stuck open on the 1st carb and I did blip with the 2nd carb yes

  • @samuelgoodman2825
    @samuelgoodman2825 13 дней назад

    If the battery is in the trunk that creates a big draw

    • @FanelliRestorations
      @FanelliRestorations  13 дней назад

      It certainly can, but I have a trunk mounted battery in my 67 coronet and it’s been fine for the last eight years. Drag racers do it as well so it’s only a problem if done improperly.

  • @robertcormier242
    @robertcormier242 13 дней назад +1

    Like before the starter is .......JUNKKKKK

    • @FanelliRestorations
      @FanelliRestorations  13 дней назад +1

      You definitely were correct! However, there was no way for me to be certain until I ran through my process and my testing. Certainly would have been a beast to replace the starter off the bat to just find out there was nothing wrong with it and all those electrical issues were causing it so I’m glad I did what I did, new starter was ordered today💪🏼

    • @robertcormier242
      @robertcormier242 13 дней назад

      I've been restoring mopars for 30 yrs all of them as soon as I herd the starter the first time I new it was done........but make sure it's not 180 degrees out ...someone mite have dropped it in 180 ...out

  • @milohall5447
    @milohall5447 9 дней назад +1

    I owned a 71 Charger w/440/Auto, fromm 84 thru 09 , Electrical issues? too many to list. First off,,, replace all those crimp terminals,,, strip back 3/16" clesn wire and tin it with quality solder , then crimp , you may want to remove plastic insulator and shrink a 1/2" in most conections. Battery cables should be 2ga. not 4ga,,, the ( Pos + ) is way too long at only 4Ga, also way too much resistance through the body weld points for Ohms surge load, works fine on a handheld meter, but falls on its face with a Vat 40 or similar, so , 2 ga. ( Neg - ) to a bell housing bolt, 4ga ( Neg - ) from same bolt to Brake booster bolt on fire wall ( your guages and controls will work better ) and a fresh 4ga ( Neg - )out front for headlights & signals ( and later a cooling fan ) will help, route the same way, same ground points. Quit wasting time on a soso ign. system. go Mopar orange box , w/factory vacume adv. distubitor , blue streak 10mm solid core 90 deg. wire kit, and a Hi-Fire coil,,,and forget the rest. A one-wire GM alt conversion and a new Amp gauge w/instrument resistor , will make your old wiring work more reliably. When compresssion comes up it steals amps from the coil,,, your trunk battery mount will work fine with some upgrades, I ran a Diehard Group 78 HD side post for the whole time.

    • @FanelliRestorations
      @FanelliRestorations  9 дней назад

      Thanks for the tips, this was just to get it running not the ultimate long term setup. Certianly I want to clean a lot up. I got it running tho, trunk battery even with the current cables. Just needed a stronger starter 💪🏼

  • @kevinmeahan4603
    @kevinmeahan4603 13 дней назад

    Starter

  • @rickhughett6713
    @rickhughett6713 10 дней назад

    Coil

  • @GabrielGiron-g5o
    @GabrielGiron-g5o 13 дней назад

    I so tired of all these stupid comercials trying to sell me something r about walmart what they don't want you to know 🇺🇲

  • @nickforbus378
    @nickforbus378 13 дней назад +1

    Bad starter

  • @kermitmawyer1743
    @kermitmawyer1743 12 дней назад

    Times. Off

  • @ernieking2664
    @ernieking2664 13 дней назад +1

    Too much talking not enough working

    • @FanelliRestorations
      @FanelliRestorations  13 дней назад +2

      Next time come help with your wisdom I will be able to work faster!

  • @moonlighting44
    @moonlighting44 13 дней назад

    too much timing

  • @Greg383BB
    @Greg383BB 13 дней назад

    Starter

  • @randyman828
    @randyman828 12 дней назад

    Starter