God this was heartbreaking. Molly’s whole character arc this season is so tragic and poignantly portrayed. Sonya Walger better be nominated for a 2021 Emmy.
This is my favourite scene. The way she goes from complete freedom and ecstacy to stoic acceptance knowing after that she'll never be able to be free like that again is touching to me. Molly is the strongest character in this show in my opinion.
Honestly this scene has so much meaning, Molly is taking her last flight as a pilot understanding she never will fly or go to space again as she tries her hardest to get as close to space as possible literally reaching for the stars. #GodSpeed
When I watched this scene for the first time, I had just been told that I would become blind in a few years. While I was very lucky that that doctor was an incorrect idiot, this scene was and is the most powerful expression of joy I will ever experience.
I ended up wearing glasses to help correct what’s beginning to be old age. I can’t focus anymore without the glasses due to lens crystallization. By the time I hit 40 I started to have focus issues. Like anything else my prescription goes higher every few years as I need stronger lenses. Now I’m told after cateract surgery the replacement lenses might fix the issue or I might still need glasses depending on what they want to do. I know if I look without my glasses vs with them I can definitely notice the magnifying effect
I genuinely thought she would eject and end it while being as close to space as she could get, I breathed a little sigh of relief when she came back down, I don't want Molly to go
@@odinharou7112 dude I felt the exact same thing. I didn’t want to lose her either. Amazing how she seemed like an asshole when we first met her, and then we soon found out that there’s a lotttt more to her than just the surface level “no fucks given” attitude and cockiness. She’s really cool
No, why? She did the exact move she planned. She knew exactly what she was doing. She knew it was the last time she would be able to do something like that, as she was soon to lose flight status.
One minor issue - it seems the engines are flaming out as she runs out of airspeed, and we get an alarm implying such, but in the dive the afterburners are still lit. Flameout in such cases is likely, in fact when doing maneuvers like this in the early days of high-altitude experimentation (real-life stuff "The Right Stuff" was based on) that was an anticipated part of the profile, once down in thicker air again the engines could be air-started.
Hard to believe that NASA or the Air Force would select a T-38 jet trainer as an experimental engine platform for high-altitude tests, but what do I know . . . .
@@egosumhomovespertilionem2022 They wouldn't use it for high altitude tests - she wasn't doing this an approved mission, she was grounded from spaceflight and thus wanted to get as close to space as she could with what she had available to her.
A T-38 was probably simpler to get than the NF-104 where no flight worthy aircraft exists. BTW, in the movie ,,The right stuff'' they used a normal F-104 (just because of that reason), not a NF-104 like Chuck Yeager did.
@@simonm1447 Yes, I know. Furthermore, the T-38 was and still is a plane much used both for training astronauts and for maintaining their flight prowess. That said, it is nowhere near the F-104's performance capabilities.
@@robertodeleon-gonzalez9844 it's a training aircraft, they are usually way cheaper per flying hour and simpler to fly than a cutting edge fighter plane, which makes sense to save money, and get more flying hours out of the budget. Training aircraft don't have to carry much payload, so they can also be smaller and lighter.
@@simonm1447 True. When it came into service, the T-38 was an outstanding trainer, giving pilots their first chance at supersonic flight. It is still a capable plane at that mission.
Yeah, I get that an F5/T38 can’t do what’s shown- that’s not the point of the scene. To me, she’s expressing something more basic about us as humans, that thing.that makes us part of a bigger universe: “That our reach exceeds our grasp, or what’s a heaven for?” I’m pretty cynical about people after the last four years, but that constant pull up and out, that’s what we’re built for. Let’s get going.
As well done and moving as this scene from FAM is. I wonder how many people know it's lifted almost verbatim from 1983's "The Right Stuff", subtext/imagery/allegory and and all. Which in turn was based on a real situation (ok it was massively holliwoodified) Chuck Yeager, test pilot, never got to go to space 'cause of space race/politics.
No Yeager did get close in a modified NF-104. An F-104 modified with a 6000 pound thrust rocket on the base of the tail and a separate RCS system and a full pressure suit. Problem was on the way back down the NF-104 went into a flat spin and Yeager couldn’t recover the aircraft. He was also unable to relight the engine. He punched out at around 10,000 feet and had a suit problem which resulted in a melted face plate. Yeah hollywooded but the right stuff was very close in its portrayal of the incident. Molly almost certainly saw the film
I like how certain real events have become sci-fi tropes with different interpretations. It helps the real event live on forever. And FAM did Yeager stuff twice, on two different planets. ;)
For those wondering Whisky 147 Charlie is the same location Gordo and Ed had their dogfight :) ruclips.net/video/wTHHJdMmc_w/видео.html you see Gordo pointing to in on the map at 24 seconds.
Hmm.... Yeah, I saw this scene from The Right Stuff in 1981 too. For All Mankind "borrows" a a lot of material from elsewhere. It also gets a lot wrong such as: No delay on lunar communications. A CME causing lunar surface to oscillate. And, of course, the election of Teddy Kennedy to occur in any alternate universe.
Service ceiling: 50,000 ft (15,000 m) & Rate of climb: 33,600 ft/min (171 m/s)... if your willing to pass rated ceiling under after burner (and lose lift at peak), I could see 25km, maybe 30m before loss of control (but in that cockpit ...u might die)
The highest we saw on the altimeter was 56,000 feet, I'm guessing it didn't get above 60,000. T-38 would surely be capable of that, probably notably higher, though it wouldn't be approved because, as shown here, NASA astronauts and staff pilots didn't wear pressure suits. I think their rated ceiling without pressure suits was something like 50,000 feet, but they were certainly able to go higher.
@@cyborghobo9717 Actually jets become more fuel efficient as they get higher, though eventually they can no longer sustain flight as there's not enough air for engines or wings. Apparently (according to my mom who used to fly NASA T-38s) these specific aircraft burned more fuel idling on the ground than they did in cruise at high altitude, the difference was very dramatic. Though what you say could be somewhat true in that they can get higher using afterburners than without, and afterburners are very inefficient - so much so that a T-38 can only do it for like 15 minutes before running out of fuel.
@@Helix597 Not the T-38s - my mom actually used to fly NASA T-38s as a staff pilot and astronaut instructor. They had a lot of modifications, including different air inlets, radar, different pitot tubes, modernized avionics, upgraded ejection seats, and other gadgets - some of which were later copied by the Air Force - but not things that would enhance performance or allow higher altitude flight than a standard one. And also I believe this takes place in the '60s or '70s, before NASA did all those modifications, at that time they were pretty much stock, same as the Air Force ones. But this is an alternate history/timeline, so I suppose that's possible - still doubt it though, the performance of a stock T-38 is more than adequate for the astronaut training mission. If they needed more performance they'd probably have used a higher performance aircraft such as an F-5 (same airframe with more powerful engines) or F-104 rather than hot-rodding the T-38s.
This doesn't look like it was more than 60,000 feet or so (the highest we see on the altimeter is 56,000 feet and still climbing), which T-38s are surely capable of in a zoom maneuver like this, in fact probably notably higher. Wouldn't be approved as to fly that high they would need a pressure suit in case cabin pressure fails (NASA astronauts and staff pilots didn't use pressure suits in the T-38, I'm guessing it wasn't built to accommodate them), but it could be done and so long as the cockpit doesn't loose pressure would be survivable.
The T-38 is pressurized, not enough to not require oxygen, but enough that a pressure suit wouldn't be needed. It would still be a good idea in case pressure is lost, would surely be mandated for such flights, but maybe this wasn't approved, she just did it because she was so desperate to get to space and this was the closest she could get. My mom used to fly NASA T-38s, they were limited to 50,000 feet or something like that because they didn't use pressure suits - aircraft was certainly capable of higher. I don't know if the cockpit would be big enough for a pressure suit, or if the aircraft had the built-in life support for connecting to one, it wasn't really intended for such things. NASA didn't use them in any case, at least not in T-38 astronaut trainers, so aircraft wouldn't be suitably equipped and pilots wouldn't be trained. Though surely they have them for the RB-57 - different aircraft and crew trained for that specific mission (probably not astronauts).
this show isnt meant to be all that realistic. It's meant to use alternate history and real science as a base for its own drama and gripping plots, not just be a documentary where everything goes according to plan and nothing interesting occurs.
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God this was heartbreaking. Molly’s whole character arc this season is so tragic and poignantly portrayed. Sonya Walger better be nominated for a 2021 Emmy.
10000000% agree , Proper starbuckesque like. She been brilliant both seasons, this scene, and the moon dash were awesome[
I hope they discover some type of cure for her. They better not kill her character off like this.
@@petchlnwzaaa I mean there's literally no cure for glaucoma irl, but since it's a different timeline maybe they could who knows
She’s the kind of lady I’d fall for.
Agreed. You could see it in her eyes that she knew that was the closest she’d ever get again.
This is my favourite scene. The way she goes from complete freedom and ecstacy to stoic acceptance knowing after that she'll never be able to be free like that again is touching to me. Molly is the strongest character in this show in my opinion.
the irony is that the aircraft she is flying looks like an F-5 "Freedom Fighter"
It’s a T-38 Talon, which shares the same airframe as the F-5.
favorite*
She is definitely one of my favorites from the show, shes also funny as hell
Honestly this scene has so much meaning, Molly is taking her last flight as a pilot understanding she never will fly or go to space again as she tries her hardest to get as close to space as possible literally reaching for the stars. #GodSpeed
When I watched this scene for the first time, I had just been told that I would become blind in a few years.
While I was very lucky that that doctor was an incorrect idiot, this scene was and is the most powerful expression of joy I will ever experience.
Thank god he was wrong, i cant imagine how much stress you felt just because of that
I ended up wearing glasses to help correct what’s beginning to be old age. I can’t focus anymore without the glasses due to lens crystallization. By the time I hit 40 I started to have focus issues. Like anything else my prescription goes higher every few years as I need stronger lenses. Now I’m told after cateract surgery the replacement lenses might fix the issue or I might still need glasses depending on what they want to do. I know if I look without my glasses vs with them I can definitely notice the magnifying effect
An incredibly moving sequence, honestly the best of season 2
Very moving indeed, however almost entirely lifted from the depiction of Chuck Yeager's Flight from 1983's "The Right stuff"
Such a beautiful scene... anyone else get the sense that she considered ejecting? She was in a rough spot at this point :(
I genuinely thought she would eject and end it while being as close to space as she could get, I breathed a little sigh of relief when she came back down, I don't want Molly to go
@@odinharou7112 dude I felt the exact same thing. I didn’t want to lose her either. Amazing how she seemed like an asshole when we first met her, and then we soon found out that there’s a lotttt more to her than just the surface level “no fucks given” attitude and cockiness. She’s really cool
No, why? She did the exact move she planned. She knew exactly what she was doing. She knew it was the last time she would be able to do something like that, as she was soon to lose flight status.
People critisizing this scene like she reached space. No, at most she reached 20 km (fewer probably). The Karman line is at 100 km.
No, she didn't reach space. No one said that. She reached FOR it ... one last time.
This scene was as powerful as the messages scene from Interstellar. This show is MASSIVELY underrated.
Goosebumbs. Brilliant actress. My god.
She obviously cannot go that high cuz of the massive balls she has. What a character and what a show. Amaizing.
God those organs just complete this scene.
One minor issue - it seems the engines are flaming out as she runs out of airspeed, and we get an alarm implying such, but in the dive the afterburners are still lit. Flameout in such cases is likely, in fact when doing maneuvers like this in the early days of high-altitude experimentation (real-life stuff "The Right Stuff" was based on) that was an anticipated part of the profile, once down in thicker air again the engines could be air-started.
Hard to believe that NASA or the Air Force would select a T-38 jet trainer as an experimental engine platform for high-altitude tests, but what do I know . . . .
@@egosumhomovespertilionem2022 They wouldn't use it for high altitude tests - she wasn't doing this an approved mission, she was grounded from spaceflight and thus wanted to get as close to space as she could with what she had available to her.
I hope Molly Cobb gets twice as much screentime in season 3. Sonya and Joel are carrying this show.
Very cool scene very well done.
Obviously inspired by that Yeager scene from "The Right Stuff". Still a T-38 isn't an NF-104.
For a moment there I feared her plane would go into a flat - an unrecoverable - spin. Coming out of that was way too easy.
A T-38 was probably simpler to get than the NF-104 where no flight worthy aircraft exists.
BTW, in the movie ,,The right stuff'' they used a normal F-104 (just because of that reason), not a NF-104 like Chuck Yeager did.
@@simonm1447 Yes, I know. Furthermore, the T-38 was and still is a plane much used both for training astronauts and for maintaining their flight prowess. That said, it is nowhere near the F-104's performance capabilities.
@@robertodeleon-gonzalez9844 it's a training aircraft, they are usually way cheaper per flying hour and simpler to fly than a cutting edge fighter plane, which makes sense to save money, and get more flying hours out of the budget.
Training aircraft don't have to carry much payload, so they can also be smaller and lighter.
@@simonm1447 True. When it came into service, the T-38 was an outstanding trainer, giving pilots their first chance at supersonic flight. It is still a capable plane at that mission.
The way she reaches out to the window breaks my heart.
“Dark Blue....”
Yeager needed a pressure suit and astronaut helmet. I guess she's tougher.
I teared up.
Yeah, I get that an F5/T38 can’t do what’s shown- that’s not the point of the scene. To me, she’s expressing something more basic about us as humans, that thing.that makes us part of a bigger universe: “That our reach exceeds our grasp, or what’s a heaven for?” I’m pretty cynical about people after the last four years, but that constant pull up and out, that’s what we’re built for. Let’s get going.
This scene breaks my heart.
Best scene ever
does someone know where i can find the clip from the us air force shuttle, it's a season 1 extra
Was this an intentional homage to the Chuck Yeager F-104 scene from "The Right Stuff"? Sure seems like it.
As well done and moving as this scene from FAM is. I wonder how many people know it's lifted almost verbatim from 1983's "The Right Stuff", subtext/imagery/allegory and and all. Which in turn was based on a real situation (ok it was massively holliwoodified) Chuck Yeager, test pilot, never got to go to space 'cause of space race/politics.
No Yeager did get close in a modified NF-104. An F-104 modified with a 6000 pound thrust rocket on the base of the tail and a separate RCS system and a full pressure suit. Problem was on the way back down the NF-104 went into a flat spin and Yeager couldn’t recover the aircraft. He was also unable to relight the engine. He punched out at around 10,000 feet and had a suit problem which resulted in a melted face plate. Yeah hollywooded but the right stuff was very close in its portrayal of the incident. Molly almost certainly saw the film
I like how certain real events have become sci-fi tropes with different interpretations. It helps the real event live on forever.
And FAM did Yeager stuff twice, on two different planets. ;)
It would be awesome to fly to the top of the sky, an experience only known to few.
1:32. This scene was inspired by the movie “The Right Stuff” . The women Mercury astronauts.
Man. Wondering how Wubbo was doing after all of that.
Music is nolan like
Had a very interstellar vibe, especially when she placed her hand on the canopy
Plenty of scenes with interstellar music vibe
For those wondering Whisky 147 Charlie is the same location Gordo and Ed had their dogfight :)
ruclips.net/video/wTHHJdMmc_w/видео.html you see Gordo pointing to in on the map at 24 seconds.
Crazy
and not wearing flight gloves.....
Single seater T-38 🤣🤣
For all the greatness of this show, that just kills me.
Of all the alternative reality topics... that one kills you? :D
T-38s are all 2 seaters you just don’t need someone in the rear cockpit
@@matthewcaughey8898 The ones here are single-seaters, with canopies similar to the F-11 Tiger.
Didn’t Chuck Yeager actually do something like that?
What is the name of this movie or show
Top Gun
We completely ignore aerodynamics and jet engines hear both engines would’ve flamed out
She sounds tired and disappointed? at the end.
Not Penny's Boat.... I mean plane.
Hmm.... Yeah, I saw this scene from The Right Stuff in 1981 too.
For All Mankind "borrows" a a lot of material from elsewhere.
It also gets a lot wrong such as:
No delay on lunar communications.
A CME causing lunar surface to oscillate.
And, of course, the election of Teddy Kennedy to occur in any alternate universe.
calm down
its a drama show that uses alternate history as a base
let them get away with a few cheeky and plot-relevant references at times man
doubt that an F5 could manage that
*Cheap shot copy of Chuck Yeager's actual REAL flight to the edge of space in a modified F-104*
No science here. You cannot do this in a T-38 or F-5. Great hack for writers, from the Chuck Yeager scene in "The Right Stuff".
Service ceiling: 50,000 ft (15,000 m) & Rate of climb: 33,600 ft/min (171 m/s)... if your willing to pass rated ceiling under after burner (and lose lift at peak), I could see 25km, maybe 30m before loss of control (but in that cockpit ...u might die)
holy shit shut the fuck up and enjoy the scene, jesus christ
They used a normal F-104 in the movie the right stuff, because they had no flight worthy NF-104 which was originally used
The highest we saw on the altimeter was 56,000 feet, I'm guessing it didn't get above 60,000. T-38 would surely be capable of that, probably notably higher, though it wouldn't be approved because, as shown here, NASA astronauts and staff pilots didn't wear pressure suits. I think their rated ceiling without pressure suits was something like 50,000 feet, but they were certainly able to go higher.
where, no science? the T-38 is a beast and can easily go 30KM high on a zoom climb, wtf is wrong with you guys?
Yea, that plane doesn't go that high.
Knowing NASA their planes are highly modified to min max their performance.
Then higher it goes then less fuel efficient it becomes. Going higher is just impractical.
@@cyborghobo9717 Actually jets become more fuel efficient as they get higher, though eventually they can no longer sustain flight as there's not enough air for engines or wings. Apparently (according to my mom who used to fly NASA T-38s) these specific aircraft burned more fuel idling on the ground than they did in cruise at high altitude, the difference was very dramatic. Though what you say could be somewhat true in that they can get higher using afterburners than without, and afterburners are very inefficient - so much so that a T-38 can only do it for like 15 minutes before running out of fuel.
@@Helix597 Not the T-38s - my mom actually used to fly NASA T-38s as a staff pilot and astronaut instructor. They had a lot of modifications, including different air inlets, radar, different pitot tubes, modernized avionics, upgraded ejection seats, and other gadgets - some of which were later copied by the Air Force - but not things that would enhance performance or allow higher altitude flight than a standard one. And also I believe this takes place in the '60s or '70s, before NASA did all those modifications, at that time they were pretty much stock, same as the Air Force ones. But this is an alternate history/timeline, so I suppose that's possible - still doubt it though, the performance of a stock T-38 is more than adequate for the astronaut training mission. If they needed more performance they'd probably have used a higher performance aircraft such as an F-5 (same airframe with more powerful engines) or F-104 rather than hot-rodding the T-38s.
This doesn't look like it was more than 60,000 feet or so (the highest we see on the altimeter is 56,000 feet and still climbing), which T-38s are surely capable of in a zoom maneuver like this, in fact probably notably higher. Wouldn't be approved as to fly that high they would need a pressure suit in case cabin pressure fails (NASA astronauts and staff pilots didn't use pressure suits in the T-38, I'm guessing it wasn't built to accommodate them), but it could be done and so long as the cockpit doesn't loose pressure would be survivable.
At that altidude why dont wear special pressure suit lol
The T-38 is pressurized, not enough to not require oxygen, but enough that a pressure suit wouldn't be needed. It would still be a good idea in case pressure is lost, would surely be mandated for such flights, but maybe this wasn't approved, she just did it because she was so desperate to get to space and this was the closest she could get. My mom used to fly NASA T-38s, they were limited to 50,000 feet or something like that because they didn't use pressure suits - aircraft was certainly capable of higher. I don't know if the cockpit would be big enough for a pressure suit, or if the aircraft had the built-in life support for connecting to one, it wasn't really intended for such things. NASA didn't use them in any case, at least not in T-38 astronaut trainers, so aircraft wouldn't be suitably equipped and pilots wouldn't be trained. Though surely they have them for the RB-57 - different aircraft and crew trained for that specific mission (probably not astronauts).
unnecessary drama.Real pilots are never so unprofessional
this show isnt meant to be all that realistic. It's meant to use alternate history and real science as a base for its own drama and gripping plots, not just be a documentary where everything goes according to plan and nothing interesting occurs.
This show is dumb
Why