LaGrande FIRST SOUND SAMPLE: ORGAN on a 4 inch single driver speaker: Night on the Bald Mountain!
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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2024
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00:00 Introduction - the recording method and the music
06:47 Night on the Bald (Bare) Mountain, organ transcription (excerpt!)
Music: DORIAN xCD-90308 Peter Richard Conte at the Wanamaker organ, Track 1.
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goes deep. Nice but I don't have the CD to compare listening through my speakers. For the moment I'm watching your serial about HORNS
Thank you! :) The horn series is a very good foundation. ✨✨
@@realworldaudio indeed ! My idea is to make the front baffle of "La Grande" Well flared to the edge of the speaker in an Hyper-exponential horn shape 😱 For this of course the front baffle has to be about 50mm thick (boy needs to be very impassioned with sanding till get it there ) By the way, it worth to make a "playlist" with the 4 horn videos - I didn't found any other (to link any one whom might interested)
What we were waiting for 🙂
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Phenomenal sound, and I suspect the speakers are not even broken in!
At the beginning phase of break in! :)
That's truly impressive from a 4" driver. Well done indeed! It would be very interesting if you played a test track with these and then with voice of lancelot so we could compare and then you explained the differences to your ear as you are there in person. Excellent stuff 😊
Thank you Jon! Yes, I shall do that:)
Your recording is phantastic, I hear practically no room distortions! Well done János! 👌👍
Thank you Jürgen :)
Wow !!!!!!😳 that sounds incredible a 4 inch driver....nice work Janos....👏👏👏 Ed in New York 🏙🗽
Thank you Ed!! Indeed, I never heard such deep bass form a 4-incher (well, 4.5 inch technically so it's quite allright then, haha)>
It's technically not just the depth. What was really astounding when listening to it, that it gave back the church hall acoustics - it was not just low bass, but the feeling of being there, hearing the massive long time-scale echoes of the gigantic building. Not sure how that part carries into the recording, but it's something that I rarely hear from any sound system, regardless the prowess of the bass response.
Very impressive indeed! Organ is one of the most difficult instruments to reproduce because of the complex harmonics but still it sounds very real, coherent and immersive 👌... almost as if there is an organ in your living room 😉
Hi Fulco, I'm glad it's coming through! It felt so real I had goosebumps even much much later.
I believe the cabinet walls are acting similar to passive radiators but because they are not tuned precisely to the speaker driver, you will not achieve any good volume without significant loss of energy and cause distortion.
Sorry, no substitute for my Osborn Grand Reference Monument speakers playing the same music but then again, probably 150 times the cost of the 4" speakers and box. Never the less, I enjoyed your sound with my laptop and earphones. Keep up the good work.
Thank you David for the encouragement! Indeed, do not throw away your big speakers for these babies, not the same league An exercise on my part what could be done with such small drivers. I ended up surprising myself quite a bit though, they can do more than I suspected.
Janos, thanks for all you do for the DIY and audio community. I second the request to play the same track same room, same recording set up with the VoL for a good comparison. Please forgive my negative opinions and do not take them as lack appreciation for all that you do. To me there is a veil over the sound (break in needed? ... YT compression?) Like listening to music coming from another room. Many single driver speakers suffer from this (my opinion), perhaps lack of dynamics in the smaller driver, or phase shift from front and rear waves? Thanks for reading. Perhaps you can post high bit rate files on your website? Time to buy you a coffee. : )
Hi Dave, thank you for your feedback & suggestions! That's a superb idea, to post hi rez sound samples on BMAC! :) Will do that! Actually, you were correct though, there was a veil in the sound - or how I perceived it, a haze or uncertainty, that was caused by the floor reflections because the cabinet was sitting so low. On their small stands now that veil/haze is gone. Yet, you are quite right, a high resoltion sample would tell the story better than the 128k mp3 ; >
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The bass output seems to peak in a very specific region, like a couple of notes wide.. and overall it sounds like these drivers need a lot more break in / gain fluidity. As it stands Le Petit had definite warts (a week or 2 in) but I felt it had redeeming features whereas here it's very understated, yes it portrays the depth and the recording position very well, there's 2-3 octaves sounding very even, but it leaves me unturned and some of the bass sounds 'tacked on'.
With regards to this bass, I feel the tuning with a peak in the response breaks the lovely single driver consistency.. if one has a specific room size, room modes could fill the gap up, but relying on indirect, much delayed room modes in my experience still skews the perception at the low end: I've become more and more aware of this toying around with my VOL. I would try to tune it lower (restrict the ports further) so it creates a shelf, not a peak down low.. I expect that such a roll-off would sound more natural and move away from the driver + port sound I hear here. For people use to the sound of higher turned reflex ports, probably not an issue.. but to me it contrasts too much with the (smallish) single driver. Unfair perhaps, but with for example the cube and the large nehuphar type cabinets it feels much better integrated. Anyway that's my impression from afar, via YT :)
@@jimmiedean8035 Thank you Eduard, Jimmie, astute observations, you are both correct! Video coming with long answer :)
I've listened to the sample again, and was wondering again how different it sounds from what was there in the room. One facte that now grabbed me is that a few times I can hear Kintaro meowing in the background and Nelli silencing him. Both of their voices are very distorted and shrill, heavily leaning to high frequencies and lacking foundation. Also, the bass inequality on the recording is a deal breaker, but in life it was noticable, but only when I looked for it on purpose - it did not detract from the enjoyment of this piece at all. (It did detract however from other music, but not to a level where that became the prominent feature of the presentation). With almost every loudspeaker there is the definitive itch that if something even a little is off, it bugs so much I cannot stand it. Here, the La Grande has so much going for it, that when the unruliness comes forth I'm willing to accept it.
Since this recording though the drivers broke in quite a bit & lifting them off the floor made them sound much more mature. One thing I realized yesterday though, is that the delicacy and the image and presence is not coming thorough the YT videos at all.
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Looks interesting.
Have you seen Troels graversens designs? For speakers ???
No, the name is not familiar.
Not bad! How do they sound, when you put them on a speakerstand of normal height?
Have not tried it yet.
@@realworldaudio Perhaps, when you try stands with a Plate on top, it might nearly sound similar...
Thanks for the sound sample. Organ is definitely not my cup of tea. Yikes! 30 seconds was torture for me. Ha ha 😄
Janos, watch and listen to the video "Ombra Mai Fu" performed by Cécilia Bartoli. The live version was filmed outdoors in a grove. You can hear the sound of the wind, crickets, and birds. Likely will sound great using a DAC and your La Grande. 😃
I first heard the song in the movie The Hunter with Willem Dafoe. In the scene in the movie he uses an expensive pair of consumer monitors to play the song. Anyway, listen to the song and let me know how they sounded! 😃
That's a great movie, with Willem Dafoe! I'll have to watch it again and listen to Ombra Mai Fu :) Thank you for the recommendation :) La Grande is astonishing with natural sounds, such as animal sounds / ocean sound / doors creaking....
@@realworldaudio I've been checking out available materials inside a few big box stores here in the San Francisco Bay Area. I'm trying to get an idea of what I can use without having to resort to using power tools as I have none at the moment. No plans to "tool up" either. The plan in mind to do this as cheap and easy as possible. I have some basic hand tools that I can build the speaker cabinets with. While waking around the stores, I didn't see any 3/4 inch solid wood selections. All the wood is an inch thick. Might have to plane the inside of top and side plates. I noticed you had routed the inside wall similar to how violin makers plane the soundboard of bowed instruments. Very interesting. I may have to do this or just leave the walls 1 inch thick. The main focus of importance for me has been converting the inside dimensions of the cabinet to fractional inches, so I can make a template close as possible to your centimeter measurements.
@@carlosmacmartin4205 Hi Carlos, you can go for the 1in, and then thin it down later, good choice & plan with available material. ;
@@realworldaudio Will do. 👍 I saw a good handful of wood choices for the top and sides; pine, poplar, maple, cherry, walnut, and oak. It's fun looking around at items in the store and envisioning the project. Seeing it in the "minds eye" before starting the construction process. My late luthier friend used to stress the importance of creating a plan. He used to say "draw everything down on paper". Size, shape, dimension, measurements, etc. Also suggested using as little power tools as possible, for a first build. Now I understand the exact reason why! 😄 Have a good day, Janos. Salud!
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