That's quite a startup! A 800 watt battery, 12A/508W charger, super quiet motor with 102Nm of torque and a 120Nm boost mode, plus mullet compatible all in 160/150mm 20.65kg package is super impressive. It'll be hard to want to purchase any other emtb after seeing this. I'm guessing Rocky Mountain is working on a new competitor as we speak as they have just been dethroned as hill climbing emtb champion. Top vid Sam 😎 Cheers
I would love to see this DJi Motor in a Forbidden Dreadnought. Who’s with me?! Great honest review Sam! Finally getting super powerful motors with dense battery packs in lighter weight packages. I think this is what the Ebike market needed.
Cracker of a bike. Great balanced review Sam. A really good build for the base model price in Australia of $9400 Aussie dollars. Makes some of the established brands look expensive.
Love the review Sam. Bike seems pretty perfect to me. I don’t need all that power but when it comes in a 20kg package with a good sized battery, why wouldn’t you want it. Happy with my fuel EXe but will be keeping tabs on how this bike and dji goes over the next few years. Could be my next bike. 😉
Great review! Really well balanced between facts and opnions, and really, really nice riding footage. Is it woth mentioning that the battery is integrated and no so easily replaceable on the go. Not a dealbraker for me and the fastcharger in my bakback solves the problem on longer rides. But a bit more work i taking the battery out when flying i guess. Waiting for the orders to open for rest of Europe now.
This looks super cool. Love the integration. What is the function of the second remote? Is that just for the SRAM transmission or is it some function on the motor? I’ll be curious to see which other bike vendors will decide to partner with DJI
Sounds as though the downhill performance of the bike is a bit underwhelming. When this amazing ebike system hits more established brands, it will be a killer combo.
@@SamsBikes Hi Sam, and which bike would you prefer levo sl or levo ( expert version for my budget) or instead of the Levo the Santa Cruz Vala? Thank you!
Hi sam First of all, a great test I have some questions A. where do you ride The landscape and terrain is really similar to my home area Second thing What tires does the bike come with? I'm riding today on the special Levo with maxxis dd tires that weigh 1.3 kilos each Only on this you can drop 800 grams with lighter tires
Hey mate thanks 🙏, all the riding is in Madrid Spain. The tires that come on the Amflow will needed to be changed to atleast Gravity cased tires for how I ride
Great vid Sam! Bike looks epic. Wondering if you can put a fox coil on to get to 160mm & a Fox 38 to get to 170mm. Combined with a mullet set up this would be perfect for me
@@trailsidesam3592 Rob Rides EMTB has just dropped his vid with a 170 front & a coil (have asked him what travel he's gone for) so it might be possible
Great review Sam. I’m thinking about going for the entry one which is 22kg! However looking at upgrading to AXS and getting setup as mullet! What do you think?
Yep I think I would go for the base and upgrade the suspension but not bothered about the AXS there bed pretty easy if I'm honest the original AXS was better for my style of riding
@@SamsBikesthanks Sam for the feedback. Suspension was on my list as a later mod. What about setting it up as mullet as opposed to full 29? Have you had the chance to try this yet? I would have to make the decision prior to receiving the bike.
Excellent review! Congrats to DJI. They have proven that you don't noise to have power. I hope that DJI will come up with a throttle version, someday. *
Hi Sam, great review + very interesting ebike no doubt... but I have one question, not related to bike :-) I am really thinking about buying quad lock system for my Samsung S24 ultra... I have no wories about falling phone to the ground, quad lock looks very good. But what do you think about damaging phone because of shakes and shocks, especialy damage of camera and camera stabilization.
In my opinion this bike is showing the path other brands must take. Great video Sam, that’s what I want to see when I look for information. Looking forward to watch your next episodes.
Hi Sam, how would you say the ride compares to the new Levo SL with the Genie? It sounds like that is a lot plusher. I have one on order to replace my pivot shuttle SL that has been nothing but trouble. I thought the specialized was the best bet due to it being reliable and established. This looks very interesting but I'm concerned about going with another unproven motor system and it sounds like the bike handling could do with a bit of work.
What was wrong with your Pivot? Did Fazua fail? For me it's also interesting how this thing compares to Levo SL. Sam says that the sujspension on Amflow is harsh, so I can't wait to hear some comments from Sam about it.
@@G00glieS several motor failures, Pivot have had the bike back and given me a full refund after the latest brand new motor /battery didn't even get out of the shop. Just for info I didn't ask for the refund. I'm interested to see how this works out a lower powers rather than just raw power. I would run it in eco most of the time and just fall back on higher powers if my Asthma plays up.
Hey Tony, The bikes are quite different. The Levo SL weighs 17kg, while the Amflow weighs 19kg, and you can definitely feel that 2kg difference. The suspension on the Levo SL is the best I have ever ridden, and the motor feels super natural. On the other hand, the Amflow's suspension is okay, but it requires some tuning to feel good, and the motor feels more mechanical, although it has a lot of power both fanstic bikes... but different
@@SamsBikes thanks for the response. My shuttle was 19.9 kilos with pedals so that's what I'm used to but I mainly used it in breeze even that was tuned down to give me 100w at an input of 125w. I have only turned to ebikes because of an Asthma diagnosis, I want a bit of help most of the time and then if I have an attack as much help as I can get. My LHS have recommended the levo sl as they have loads of experience with it and they're doing me a sound deal. I think given that and I still enjoy a good bike it's the right choice. Thanks for the advice and keep up the great videos
Supposedly Q4 2024. That’s what they told me when I contacted Amflow. I don’t know what numbers it will be though. The US is a massive market so you would assume a good deal of bikes, but who knows.
This thing is awesome, and hoping to own one one day but, I currently own a giant trance x advanced elite which is the same thing just slightly smaller battery. People keep sleeping on that bike haha.
A lot of the dealers have already got allocations for new bikes. I’m from the uk I got mine from ride Scotland. Mtb monster also selling them among other 👍🏼
Would love it in a heavy old cube stereo 160, prefer heavy going down hill not keen on too many unexpected wheelies going up hill either. That said this tech is a true game changer, messy gruds at the other manufacturers. But they got to bring the price down.
Size - You tested the L, I listened to what you said about the sizing. At 182 cm it list both L and XL as possible sizes. Would you have been more comfortable on the XL instead of the L? Thanks
Hi Sam,Its an amazing bike by the looks of it… i have had the SL and Fuel EXe. How is the motor drag on the AMFlow (Dji) motor when the motor is off or run out of battery?
The charging port which is integrated into the frame is a potential failure point. Best practice is not to create points of failure in mtb or bike frames in general. Like everything I would consider gen2 or 3 once bugs have been worked out. DJI have huge credibility so great to have them involved in e bikes.. trickle down effect for the market.
All performance elite shocks on anything under 12k though the 3 new listings are online if you want it with fox factory your paying for it! Rob rides just put up a dream build video of his all his own parts and coil shock etc rather do that buy the frame and motor and put my own stuff i have on it!
Can you please bring this bike along with the Bosch a Bros and a Rocky mountain and bring it to a hill and see the different times of making up the hill then we'll really know how good this motor is
@@NeilDethml haha ok.. I feel it will be ok the delivery of the power is very smooth and ramps up in a nice way I don't think it's gonna damage the chain and derailer
I like ittt, always thought the average e bike which is a massive fuckin 180mm travel enduro e bike was so wierd like 130-150mm trail bikes would be nice with that avinox motor
I think the best new tech in e-bikes would be a MGU style system with separate gear box from the motor so you could change out motors but keep the same gear box kind of like they do in the RC industry That way you could have different torque and RPM motors for different terrain and riding styles but probably dreaming that would ever happen lol!
I watched the Rob rides video l, and install/removal needs motor dropped (hinged is all), plus the display removed because behind the display seems to be the bolt that secures top of battery. Watch the Rob rides your tube for a better understanding than my words
It still has a derailleur that easily is damaged and susceptible to catch rocks whenever going close on the drive side. Gearbox on an e-bike is the way to go, I think.
@@niklasdr it is absolutely. Shifting under torque is smoother than XTR or XX1. I believe this is the best available option on the market. Pinions gearbox option is draggy, heavy and underpowered with the available motor especially in comparison to the DJI.
Great bike and Technology but it's still got a derailleur. For me ( 63kg) it's a bit too light for long 20 min rock garden decents where it would knock me around like my trek exe.I prefer a heavier Emtb for stability and my power (90 nm) to weight (63kg) ratio is already good on my 2018 super quiet 1.3 Levo with manual change Rohloff. (Goodbye derailleur) short cranks and steering head slacker kit also fitted. Works for me but this Ampflow is great bike for the racers and KOM strata chasers.. E=mtb²
good point but trust me a real rider is not thinking about the Pinion motor its way to noisy which isn't really reported in the big reviews that have been done.
@SamsBikes Yes I agree. Silence is golden and that's why I've updated my 2018 levo. Silent, smooth and very natural .Fox 38's 170mm. Two 500wh batteries and a extra brand new sealed upgraded spare motor. Rohloff hub is 👍👍👍. Enjoy the Amflow .. E=mtb²
Hi! Sam! Could you ask DJI about max speed assistance for this ebike? As I red new Zealand has 45kmh speed limit opposite 25. Does this motor can ride 45kmh?
First question is how the power delivery and overrun compare to Bosch. It's obvious this motor is easily the strongest obviously beyond Powerplay. So really the only negative side it can have if it's ruined with bad software like Powerplay. But with that 30 second 1000W mode it doesn't really even seem to matter. Powerplay delivers that maximum torque and power in very short bursts of maybe one second. So it's not like you are getting that maximum acceleration from Powerplay for extended periods. It's really only for technical terrain where you have to have that Bosch like instant power and long overrun. Let's watch the video now.
@@SamsBikes Yes thats exactly right. So it sounds like it's slower to deliver power than Bosch but faster than Shimano EP8 or Powerplay. And the overrun is based on distance not time? It does sound like they did botch the software power delivery. Not as bad as Powerplay but still not just copying Bosch's winning formula.
This is the new benchmark. There are more than a handful of bikes that cost the same or way more, and aren't a tenth of the bike. Its the same as the Ramblas, at release there was nothing else remotely close to it.
Surprised you make no mention of the shock. Yoke driven trunnion will put a lot of strain on the shock, I don't understand why they used a trunnion when they had the room not to.
@@SamsBikes Could one in theory have a friend in the UK or Germany purchase the bike then ship a bike to someone in the U.S? Or is this somehow blocked?
@@axiomic But they will be selling the bike with the motor, you can pre order it isn't just a showcase, why would they go into that effort to showcase a motor if they had no plans to sell it .....
36v is out of date 48v is the future. The charge port placement allows for crank interference so not the best placement. power buttons are not set for best ergonomics. Why did you ride the bike with Maxxis instead of swapping out the tyres to Schwalbe? Cadence I agree is too high to get most power.
Anybody know if I can get this DJI motor on a cruiser type mountain bike or something that I wouldn’t be doing heavy trail jumping etc I’ll do trails but not heavy trails I’m a little too old for all that jumping so i would like that that technology Any advice ?
This is the most complete review I’ve seen from your channel. Nice one, thanks!
Thanks Ben this mean alot and this review was sooooooo much work so I'm glad you liked it.
Yeah, many tanks for covering the actual cons and the rattle! Many other reviewers or rather marketing people glossed over this.
@@benperd definitely by far the best!!!
I want this motor and battery in a cheaper 170mm aluminium bike, I hope dji lets other manufacturers use it too
Yep that sounds like a good idea.
Yeah that would be my next bike!
Sam = winning best honest reviews. Thank you for keeping us informed!
Thanks mate I really appreciate it, this one was soooo much work and you have no idea how much these comments mean!
Awesome review, Sam! It's so great to see you out there riding the bike! 🚴♂
Thanks My love great editing
That was a great review Sam. A pretty impressive package and the authentic pros and cons is appreciated.
Nice. But waiting for long term reliability reviews and for a full enduro bike (>170mm travel, 63° HA...) with the Avinox system.
Yep I’ll be doing a 6 months review
Just put a 170 fork on that bad boy 👊🏽 170/150 bike sounds fantastic
@@btk5256 yeah, but not the same thing
That's quite a startup! A 800 watt battery, 12A/508W charger, super quiet motor with 102Nm of torque and a 120Nm boost mode, plus mullet compatible all in 160/150mm 20.65kg package is super impressive. It'll be hard to want to purchase any other emtb after seeing this. I'm guessing Rocky Mountain is working on a new competitor as we speak as they have just been dethroned as hill climbing emtb champion. Top vid Sam 😎 Cheers
Yes mate its super impressive.... and thanks for the kind words...
I would love to see this DJi Motor in a Forbidden Dreadnought. Who’s with me?!
Great honest review Sam! Finally getting super powerful motors with dense battery packs in lighter weight packages. I think this is what the Ebike market needed.
Dude sign me up for the Dreadnought.... and thanks for the kinda words.
Amazing job mate!!!!
Thanks mate great filming
Cracker of a bike. Great balanced review Sam. A really good build for the base model price in Australia of $9400 Aussie dollars. Makes some of the established brands look expensive.
Thanks for the kind words mate and yes for the spec its a good value ebike
Great review Sam can always count on you to do a proper job with these reviews 👍
Much appreciated!
Love the review Sam. Bike seems pretty perfect to me. I don’t need all that power but when it comes in a 20kg package with a good sized battery, why wouldn’t you want it. Happy with my fuel EXe but will be keeping tabs on how this bike and dji goes over the next few years. Could be my next bike. 😉
Thanks mate i really appreciate your support and yes its a super interesting ebike and I'm sure they're gonna sell a hotcakes
Absolute amazing review. Thanks a lot!
Much appreciated rider! Many many hours went into this one!
Hey Sam - yout test is Overall the best - rapid, qick, and with emphasis on the most important points !!!!!
Really best, this Sam 😂🙌😂👍👍👍
Thank you very much!
Thanks Sam that was a great review. All the best Brett
Thank you kindly mate
Very impressive. Sounded quieter than the TQ HPR50 motor. Thanks for the review. I look forward to the follow-up reviews.
Never realized that you're running the "Commenwealth" brake setup with the rear being left :). Nice bike, perfect review as always!
Haha 🤣 never heard it described as that haha yes I run motor or Aussie style
Great review! Really well balanced between facts and opnions, and really, really nice riding footage. Is it woth mentioning that the battery is integrated and no so easily replaceable on the go. Not a dealbraker for me and the fastcharger in my bakback solves the problem on longer rides. But a bit more work i taking the battery out when flying i guess. Waiting for the orders to open for rest of Europe now.
Thanks mate good point I should of mention the battery is integrated.
fantastic review, TY! just hoping for a coil enduro model at some point...
Thanks mate I really appreciate your feedback
The best is not only the Motor and weigth ! But the fast charger !!!!!!!
Finally !!!
Mate that charger is sooooo good
fast charging => a high chance to burn down your house
Slow charging equals longest battery life.
@@InternetExplorer-s9gtell that to your phone 😂🤡
The sales on existing e-bikes will be amazing.
This looks super cool. Love the integration. What is the function of the second remote? Is that just for the SRAM transmission or is it some function on the motor? I’ll be curious to see which other bike vendors will decide to partner with DJI
Super cool bike. the seconh remote is to change screens on the display.
Excellent and comprehensive review. Well done! Thank you!
Much appreciated sir
Finally !!!
Finaly take it in hands the real ENGINEERS not only the FANS of EMTB!!!
It’s very impressive
Sounds as though the downhill performance of the bike is a bit underwhelming. When this amazing ebike system hits more established brands, it will be a killer combo.
It’s what you can expect from a all mountain/trail bike with that suspension. It’s not an enduro bike.
@@Ferdigrapher You can still make a 160/150mm bike more forgiving and confident. Have you got plans to bring out an enduro bike soon?
@@WM84629 it’s definitely a very interesting category Amflow will also look at.
Giant could make a killer trail e-bike using this motor and their maestro suspension system
@@adampalma3765as long as you want very long chainstays
Hi Sam, great video! What bike would you prefer: Levo SL or amflow PL? Thank you!
Very different bikes the Levo SL is the best feeling best suspension bike I have ridden! The Amflow is best ebike motor and system I have ridden!
@@SamsBikes thank you Sam! That would help. Ordered my levo sl expert!! Kind regards and thank you! Have you ever ridden it in a full29 setup?
Ohh, you have a video about that 😀🙃
@@SamsBikes Hi Sam, and which bike would you prefer levo sl or levo ( expert version for my budget) or instead of the Levo the Santa Cruz Vala? Thank you!
Great review Sam well done.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Waiting to place my order in Australia.
should open in October
Hi sam
First of all, a great test I have some questions A. where do you ride The landscape and terrain is really similar to my home area Second thing What tires does the bike come with? I'm riding today on the special Levo with maxxis dd tires that weigh 1.3 kilos each Only on this you can drop 800 grams with lighter tires
Hey mate thanks 🙏, all the riding is in Madrid Spain. The tires that come on the Amflow will needed to be changed to atleast Gravity cased tires for how I ride
Great vid Sam! Bike looks epic. Wondering if you can put a fox coil on to get to 160mm & a Fox 38 to get to 170mm. Combined with a mullet set up this would be perfect for me
great minds think alike!! 😂 enduro version would be perfect
@@trailsidesam3592 Rob Rides EMTB has just dropped his vid with a 170 front & a coil (have asked him what travel he's gone for) so it might be possible
@@BALDeBiker i’ll check that out right now thanks for the info
Not 100% sure on the coil I’m asking but you can put 170s upfront
I’m putting my 170 38s on this week
Great review Sam. I’m thinking about going for the entry one which is 22kg! However looking at upgrading to AXS and getting setup as mullet! What do you think?
Yep I think I would go for the base and upgrade the suspension but not bothered about the AXS there bed pretty easy if I'm honest the original AXS was better for my style of riding
@@SamsBikesthanks Sam for the feedback. Suspension was on my list as a later mod. What about setting it up as mullet as opposed to full 29? Have you had the chance to try this yet? I would have to make the decision prior to receiving the bike.
Excellent review! Congrats to DJI. They have proven that you don't noise to have power. I hope that DJI will come up with a throttle version, someday.
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Thanks
Great Job, m8, thank you for sharing this info.
Thanks mate I really appreciate your support
I would still choose an mgu because I hate derailleurs, but this is no doubt some crazy innovation.
I suggest you test one or watch my review on the Rotwild it's good. I don't think it's there yet.
Hi Sam, great review + very interesting ebike no doubt... but I have one question, not related to bike :-) I am really thinking about buying quad lock system for my Samsung S24 ultra... I have no wories about falling phone to the ground, quad lock looks very good. But what do you think about damaging phone because of shakes and shocks, especialy damage of camera and camera stabilization.
Thanks for the kind words mate and withe Quad Lock, I have been using for 3 years and never had any problems with my camera or IS so its fine..
I was looking at a new Levo how would you compare it to that? Deciding on these bikes gets daunting 😅
Amflow has more power the Levo has a better suspension platform both great bikes
180mm travel and 63 degree headangle. Hit me!
not a bad idea haha ill have one.
It would be interesting to do a range test vs Orbea Rise in RS+ mode to understand which of the two bikes is more efficient
In my opinion this bike is showing the path other brands must take. Great video Sam, that’s what I want to see when I look for information. Looking forward to watch your next episodes.
Thanks mate, its a riders review with all the information we want.
Hi Sam, how would you say the ride compares to the new Levo SL with the Genie? It sounds like that is a lot plusher. I have one on order to replace my pivot shuttle SL that has been nothing but trouble. I thought the specialized was the best bet due to it being reliable and established. This looks very interesting but I'm concerned about going with another unproven motor system and it sounds like the bike handling could do with a bit of work.
What was wrong with your Pivot? Did Fazua fail?
For me it's also interesting how this thing compares to Levo SL. Sam says that the sujspension on Amflow is harsh, so I can't wait to hear some comments from Sam about it.
@@G00glieS several motor failures, Pivot have had the bike back and given me a full refund after the latest brand new motor /battery didn't even get out of the shop. Just for info I didn't ask for the refund. I'm interested to see how this works out a lower powers rather than just raw power. I would run it in eco most of the time and just fall back on higher powers if my Asthma plays up.
Hey Tony,
The bikes are quite different. The Levo SL weighs 17kg, while the Amflow weighs 19kg, and you can definitely feel that 2kg difference. The suspension on the Levo SL is the best I have ever ridden, and the motor feels super natural. On the other hand, the Amflow's suspension is okay, but it requires some tuning to feel good, and the motor feels more mechanical, although it has a lot of power both fanstic bikes... but different
@@tonygregg6957 As you see I have never had a Fazua on the channel it has to many fails... I can't recommended or even review it
@@SamsBikes thanks for the response. My shuttle was 19.9 kilos with pedals so that's what I'm used to but I mainly used it in breeze even that was tuned down to give me 100w at an input of 125w. I have only turned to ebikes because of an Asthma diagnosis, I want a bit of help most of the time and then if I have an attack as much help as I can get.
My LHS have recommended the levo sl as they have loads of experience with it and they're doing me a sound deal. I think given that and I still enjoy a good bike it's the right choice. Thanks for the advice and keep up the great videos
I don't want to be waiting years in the US for these, I really hope DJI powered bikes become available here sooner rather than later..
Supposedly Q4 2024. That’s what they told me when I contacted Amflow.
I don’t know what numbers it will be though. The US is a massive market so you would assume a good deal of bikes, but who knows.
We need the info. Very interested in this bike.
The United States currently has no plans， start in Europe
Great. Review. Would love to see more suspension on it.
Thanks rider
This thing is awesome, and hoping to own one one day but, I currently own a giant trance x advanced elite which is the same thing just slightly smaller battery. People keep sleeping on that bike haha.
So glad I got my order in early!!!
Yep it’s a great bike
How did you do that? Not open for ordering on the website yet?
A lot of the dealers have already got allocations for new bikes. I’m from the uk I got mine from ride Scotland. Mtb monster also selling them among other 👍🏼
Good luck! The first gen is always a total nightmare.
It's in its 10th iteration, DJI wanted to iron out all errors before releasing it
Not sure if you said Sam, sorry if you did but what’s the waterproofing rating ? Awesome
Bike though they knocked it out of the park. 👏
check out the deep dive on the ebike motor system in the next few months and yes they knocked this out of the park
Would love it in a heavy old cube stereo 160, prefer heavy going down hill not keen on too many unexpected wheelies going up hill either. That said this tech is a true game changer, messy gruds at the other manufacturers. But they got to bring the price down.
How is the boost mode activated? I could not figure out how to enter boost on a demo bike. Having said that, Turbo mode seemed quite powerful.
How good is the motor protected against dust, mud and water?
Size - You tested the L, I listened to what you said about the sizing. At 182 cm it list both L and XL as possible sizes. Would you have been more comfortable on the XL instead of the L? Thanks
Hey Rick as I said I have a smaller bike I could definitely ride XL It would be more planted and less playful
Be interesting to know the frame, motor and crank weigh in comparison with other lightweight ebikes.
My "specialized vado sl " fully charged 2 hours. Perfect
What size volume token did the shock have in it from factory mate?
I removed the .4 blue token kinda the medium token
Hi Sam,Its an amazing bike by the looks of it… i have had the SL and Fuel EXe.
How is the motor drag on the AMFlow (Dji) motor when the motor is off or run out of battery?
Who’s Rob? Haha 🤣 The Drag is a similar to the SL1.2 motor or the EP801
overall does it ride trails better than a Shuttle SL or Heckler SL? obviously in climbing it's awesome
The charging port which is integrated into the frame is a potential failure point. Best practice is not to create points of failure in mtb or bike frames in general. Like everything I would consider gen2 or 3 once bugs have been worked out. DJI have huge credibility so great to have them involved in e bikes.. trickle down effect for the market.
lets see I'm planning on a long term review in 6 months
Have you tried the new pinion? (Might spelt wrong? )..
Good review sam are spare batteries available?
Yes I’m pretty sure can buy spare batteries but you would need to drop the motor like a Orbea wild
That motor looks just like a specialized, same as the tcu,made same factory?
Very different
All performance elite shocks on anything under 12k though the 3 new listings are online if you want it with fox factory your paying for it! Rob rides just put up a dream build video of his all his own parts and coil shock etc rather do that buy the frame and motor and put my own stuff i have on it!
This bike is a pretty killer build for 10k all top tier suspension
In questions of new a repair from the motor, how many days day need to do the replacement (in case of)?
Looks brilliant 👍
Yes it does
Can you please bring this bike along with the Bosch a Bros and a Rocky mountain and bring it to a hill and see the different times of making up the hill then we'll really know how good this motor is
Happening next week
But can it be unrestricted or at least switch to US standard? Because 25 kp/h is so limiting.
Sam. A quick question. Have you had some new teeth? Great review as always 👌🏻
Hahaha 😂 what no mate I’m not famous enough to have new teeth yet! Thanks for the kind words
@@SamsBikes Only teasing of course. How do you think the chain & cassette will fare tho with all of that torque over time?
@@NeilDethml haha ok.. I feel it will be ok the delivery of the power is very smooth and ramps up in a nice way I don't think it's gonna damage the chain and derailer
I like ittt, always thought the average e bike which is a massive fuckin 180mm travel enduro e bike was so wierd like 130-150mm trail bikes would be nice with that avinox motor
I think the best new tech in e-bikes would be a MGU style system with separate gear box from the motor so you could change out motors but keep the same gear box kind of like they do in the RC industry
That way you could have different torque and RPM motors for different terrain and riding styles but probably dreaming that would ever happen lol!
Sounds like this bike is the king of the superlights… think I’ll stick with my Levo, I like the planted feel.
Great review
thanks legend
@@SamsBikes I love the UK slang, I'm going to start using it here in Arizona, crack on! lol great channel
Hi Sam. What is the Q factor?
First thing I'd do is a felt marker to cross the upside down V to make it an A.
Great review........... I want one!
Thanks Riders.
Is the battery removable? Seen conflicting answers. Not sure if same on bith battery sizes perhaps.
Probably you have to drop the motor to get the battery out.
I watched the Rob rides video l, and install/removal needs motor dropped (hinged is all), plus the display removed because behind the display seems to be the bolt that secures top of battery. Watch the Rob rides your tube for a better understanding than my words
you can remove the battery but you will need to drop the motor and would take you about 30mins
It still has a derailleur that easily is damaged and susceptible to catch rocks whenever going close on the drive side. Gearbox on an e-bike is the way to go, I think.
Maybe 🤔 trust me the Pinnion is not a great motor yet maybe the next version don’t believe everything you see
@@SamsBikesI just don’t like the derailleur limiting me in the rocky terrain I ride. Maybe you ride soft loam and then it’s fine but it’s not for me.
SRAM transmission derallieur is nearly indestructible. I’ve smacked mine on rocks, reset the clutch and rode on. Not an issue
@@boulderghost4457 sounds like an upgrade to the old derailleur, at least 👍
@@niklasdr it is absolutely. Shifting under torque is smoother than XTR or XX1. I believe this is the best available option on the market. Pinions gearbox option is draggy, heavy and underpowered with the available motor especially in comparison to the DJI.
Do you know if there will launch a battery extender in the future ?
how waterproof is the motor? the biggest killer of e bikes is water, more info on waterproofing please.
good point and ill be doing a deep dive soon on the motor system,
Great bike and Technology but it's still got a derailleur. For me ( 63kg) it's a bit too light for long 20 min rock garden decents where it would knock me around like my trek exe.I prefer a heavier Emtb for stability and my power (90 nm) to weight (63kg) ratio is already good on my 2018 super quiet 1.3 Levo with manual change Rohloff. (Goodbye derailleur) short cranks and steering head slacker kit also fitted. Works for me but this Ampflow is great bike for the racers and KOM strata chasers.. E=mtb²
good point but trust me a real rider is not thinking about the Pinion motor its way to noisy which isn't really reported in the big reviews that have been done.
@SamsBikes Yes I agree. Silence is golden and that's why I've updated my 2018 levo. Silent, smooth and very natural .Fox 38's 170mm. Two 500wh batteries and a extra brand new sealed upgraded spare motor. Rohloff hub is 👍👍👍. Enjoy the Amflow .. E=mtb²
What size dropper will it fit? Seat tube looks short with that bend in it?
Good question let me try and find out
Hi! Sam! Could you ask DJI about max speed assistance for this ebike?
As I red new Zealand has 45kmh speed limit opposite 25. Does this motor can ride 45kmh?
First question is how the power delivery and overrun compare to Bosch. It's obvious this motor is easily the strongest obviously beyond Powerplay. So really the only negative side it can have if it's ruined with bad software like Powerplay. But with that 30 second 1000W mode it doesn't really even seem to matter. Powerplay delivers that maximum torque and power in very short bursts of maybe one second. So it's not like you are getting that maximum acceleration from Powerplay for extended periods. It's really only for technical terrain where you have to have that Bosch like instant power and long overrun.
Let's watch the video now.
Haha 🤣 did you ask the question before you watched the video
@@SamsBikes Yes thats exactly right. So it sounds like it's slower to deliver power than Bosch but faster than Shimano EP8 or Powerplay. And the overrun is based on distance not time? It does sound like they did botch the software power delivery. Not as bad as Powerplay but still not just copying Bosch's winning formula.
This is the new benchmark. There are more than a handful of bikes that cost the same or way more, and aren't a tenth of the bike.
Its the same as the Ramblas, at release there was nothing else remotely close to it.
Yep for power and wieght this is the new Benchmark
very nice !! 🤩🤩
What's the operating voltage of the DJI Motor Sam?
good question let me try and find out
36V
Shut up and take my money 💰 …
Great Review Dude , As All Ways 🙏🏼 ….
hahaha I know right and I'm building a dream build next week its going to be epic.... Thanks for the kind word and the support...
Looks like my 2003 Santa Cruz Superlight but mine has a cyc proton fitted to it 2000w 110nm and a throttle. 20kgs 😂😂 its a monster ❤
Surprised you make no mention of the shock. Yoke driven trunnion will put a lot of strain on the shock, I don't understand why they used a trunnion when they had the room not to.
Wow... virtually silent at 120Nm! My Bafang M600 at 120Nm is the exact opposite...😝 Also, only option needed in future is 180/170 enduro travel.👊
Take my money!
Take my money too！
Very very impressive as new E-Bike tech but lets see how reliable the engineering is in 8 months or so I guess
Very interesting!!
you know it
When can we pre order in USA ?
not yet
@@SamsBikes Could one in theory have a friend in the UK or Germany purchase the bike then ship a bike to someone in the U.S? Or is this somehow blocked?
@@NBSTL68 yeah it can ship to us
Sam, does DJI have shares in AMFLOW? The reason I ask is, might we expect to see DJI motors in other brands of Bike?
I don’t have any idea but I’m pretty sure we will see this motor in many bikes in the next year!
I thought DJI created the company AMFLOW just to sell their motor
@@SamsBikes I just wanna know who the Aussie distributor is
@@UnderWarranty I'd think that Amflow is started to SHOWCASE their motor...
@@axiomic But they will be selling the bike with the motor, you can pre order it isn't just a showcase, why would they go into that effort to showcase a motor if they had no plans to sell it .....
AMflow website now says 850w peak power. what's the correct data?
All the data in my video is correct
850w peak is lower than bafang m560
Wow that bike is awesome, I want one now, 🤘
Yep it’s a sweet over all system
If I order this bike from New York, How long for delivery
7-12days
36v is out of date 48v is the future. The charge port placement allows for crank interference so not the best placement. power buttons are not set for best ergonomics. Why did you ride the bike with Maxxis instead of swapping out the tyres to Schwalbe? Cadence I agree is too high to get most power.
All I can say is this motor is amazing if it’s 36v or 48v and have a close look at the action footage for what tires I’m running
@@SamsBikes Nice real tyres
Where is the frame SIZE mark shown? Good luck testing an XL frame in China, as most shops carry demo bikes M & L.
Does anyone know what amflow pl maximum drop of 120cm means does that mean max drop too flat at max load 125kg ?
Nice!
Thanks legend
What’s the weight on the lower spec version?
21kg
Anybody know if I can get this DJI motor on a cruiser type mountain bike or something that I wouldn’t be doing heavy trail jumping etc I’ll do trails but not heavy trails I’m a little too old for all that jumping so i would like that that technology
Any advice ?
It seems that self-disassembly of the motor is not supported at present