🔴 FULL REPLAY: SpaceX Rolls Booster 12 to the Production Site After Catch | Starbase
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- Опубликовано: 19 окт 2024
- Following a successful catch during Starship Flight 5 on Sunday, SpaceX will roll Booster 12 back to the Production Site for inspections. Road closures are available between 12PM-3PM or 12AM-3AM CDT.
(Livestream time subject to change)
Booster 12:
The Booster features 33 flight-proven Raptors. Booster 12 is the first stage for the fifth flight of Starship. The Booster previously performed three cryogenic pressure tests, a spin prime test, a static fire test, and a flight.
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Stage zero is the unsung hero of the catch. I have seen the tower roasted on other launches. Everything needed to be pretty much flawless post launch to enable the booster to come back.
And roasted metaphorically, by the media and haters. How much did NASA's new SLS tower cost again? And how long ago now was that tower finished? Oh, that's right, its not finished and the cost is $2.7B (that's with a B) and counting. If you ever needed an example of why private enterprise is more efficient (and better) than Government this is it.
Here since hoppy and I think you guys do a great job of recording history in progress.
1:10:40 they're looking at their hardwork coming back, that's so cool
Thanks! Great jobs by the entire NSF team.
They caught it!!!!!! Amazing job congratulations @SpaceX
crikey, seeing the staff all line up to take photos of B12 coming back is quite touching really. awww.🤗
Thank you Chris B awesome coverage of the rollback!!!
2:09 sheriff does a weave maneuver. Often seen in SoCal for creating a traffic break (see "the 405", the I-405 freeway); it also allows the car to run at higher RPM without leaving the escorted vehicle behind.
Here since Hoppy and loving it!🎉
Sorry I missed this live. I remember watching the grass catch on fire
Why would you be sorry? He doesn’t care. He probably doesn’t even know you exist.
The Bergenator always brings concise commentary!
Missed the live but caught up with the replay and I have been here Texas tank watching since Hopper 😊 love everything you guys do
Very interesting conversation- well done.
I saw the first Saturn V launch on TV in 1967 and now Starship ! very exciting !!! But there was a rocket catch in 1967 also ! I caught my model rocket as it decended having flown it on a B engine !
That’s awesome. You came up with the idea first. Also you said you saw the first Saturn flight what was that like?
Best end to a live stream!
At 19:46
Two successful prototypes in the same shot.
Nice work.
Not only hopper, I have been watching launches since redstone!
Real OGs have been watching since fireworks were invented by the ancient chinese a thousand years ago
a beautiful view of the prodigal booster
If you can catch the booster and you can bring Starship in for a pinpoint landing, then you can catch Starship if you have a second tower.
Until you have a second tower, it is a good time to test Starship with landing legs and land Starship on a barge. You might want to have elevated capture ring segments to embrace the ship on landing to avoid having Starship tip over if the barge rolls.
it looks remarkably clean on the off side.
Change the warped bells out, clean it all up, send it again!
That Pepperoni pizza was amazing on the bottom of the booster!
It gave me molten lava in a volcano with cold spots
As they have the parts to the pad B mechazilla arms on the base already, how long do you think it'll take them to get those chopsticks up and running? I think they'll get them ready and THEN go for a catch of BOTH sections. But how long will they take?
Thanks D for the chine shot, needed that, gas pocket? B12 Hero Walk! ❤
Got introduced via the BFR and SN5, then started watching "live" around IFT-3
The question regarding the next flight is what SpaceX wants from the next flight. It would be pointless to repeat flight 5 UNLESS they have made some interesting changes to the heat shield and want to test those changes. I think next flight will be late December.
I love that you gave that landscape company ad time at the end. Excellent phone number visual!
SN6 was when I started watching
I remember I used to stay up in the night at 3 am only to be delayed 4 hours or scrubbed entirely😂
I remember watching when I first started in 2019 when hopper flew, I remember seeing sn3 cryo test because I was so excited to see what would happen even when I knew I had to sleep because I had work the next day good times man.😂💯🛸
Amazingly clean rocket. No more sooty rockets in the future. The future is clean and very sci-fi-like. Go SpaceX!
Amazing!
I was sadly not watching during hopper's test. I started watching y'all at I think SN6.
Me too. Got me through the lockdown and quarantine.
Same here started at SN6
Thanks!
Booster slow rolling past Hoppy was priceless....
"That cop car" was doing what is known as a traffic break, although usually done to keep traffic behind it back, by driving across all lanes in traffic. (back and forth)
Great; unexpected and fun.
They need to put that booster beside Star Hopper. It is just as import if not more important now.
THANK YOU FOR SHARING!! EVERY MOMENT IS THRILLING & CONGRATS!! 👍 ❤️ 🇺🇸 ❤️ 🇺🇸 🚀 🚀 🙏 🙏
I hope they put that booster in a museum.
Respect to booster 12
That just happened! Shake And Bake!"
yes I honor Hopper. googly eyes would have been cute looking up at the chopsticks.
Absolutely amazing how it went, worrying about the fire after catch. And how heated the raptors got from atmosphere, I feel another slow down burn is needed. Maybe as both booster and ship get lighter and raptor 3 with the extra thrust it maybe a simple solution?
They’ve got to vent the residual propellants somehow. Is that the way? Not sure. But I doubt a fire of that sort does any meaningful damage. As for the speed coming in… the thermal protection is being upgraded/integrated into the engines in raptor 3. They can also potentially flow an inert cyro through the regen cooling system in the bells.
Since you guys asked, I was around before the first Falcon 1 launch until today. Starhopper? That seems like yesterday.
Booster 12 will not be re-used. It will be for data gathering only and maybe off to a museum. ITF 6 and 7 already have their own boosters ready. what data will be gathered from booster 12 wil be used to tweak Booster 13 and 14.
after inspection b12 should be headed to National Air & Space Museum in DC
At 1.13.11 the Tanker drove past with a picture of the Shuttle on the side... AND CHRIS B DIDN'T MENTION IT!
I was looking away. You would have heard me squeal otherwise :D
@@NASASpaceflight The one that got away, eh?
It's incredible 😲 Still getting over my shock of a successful booster catch on first try.
My concern is still the TPS. Ship 30 held together so much better during re-entry but unfortunately it still blew up. Why?
I'm not saying SpaceX won't eventually solve this, but the TPS is still a serious problem. Especially if they want Ships/TPS that requires no refurbishment. Also can't wait to see how they will catch the Starships. If they do it the same as the boosters it's likley to damage the TPS tiles. Meaning tile replacement. Its a few years away but I wonder if Nasa would even allow crew on a Starship that was going to be caught.
Obviously the HLS versions for moon and Mars will need landing legs, but those don't land on earth. However, how will SpaceX test HLS Starship landing legs without testing on earth? Maybe they will do verical hop tests on earth/uneven ground meant to simulate the surface of the Moon and Mars with HLS Starships to verify the landing legs.
They will need to get a used upper stage back to the production site in order to properly examine the damage to the heat shield, there is no way around it. I think getting the heat shield to high enough reliability (also for landing humans eventually) could be more challenging than tasks like orbital refilling or moon landing legs. Though those aren't easy either. I think the HLS will need quite large landing legs because things topple over more easily on the moon (gravity is lower but inertia stays the same) than on Earth, apart from uneven terrain.
@@cube2fox Agree 👍
I watched hopper up til now 👍
I was around for hopper test's.
With all the propellant that was left after the catch, it looks like they could do an ‘entry burn’, like Falcon-9, which would greatly reduce return velocity, frictional heating and the aerodynamic forces that bent (warped) the nozzles.
Just Sayin’...
Catching the booster is the easy task, 4 grid fins that steer
the booster landing and allows the catch no matter is the orientation of the booster (SpaceX nailed it anyway).
Catching starship is way harder, no grid fins means harder to pin point in the last part of the landing and only one possible orientation to catch (a flap for chopstick). Starship needs legs (to land on earth but also Moon and Mars) that give some space for to the engines’ exhaust in launches (from Moon and Mars) and landings (including earth).
Those legs need to survive Earth rentry so not so easy
They can catch the Starship upper stage as well, after all, they did catch the lower stage already pretty much perfectly at the first try with only using the tiny pins. So it can't be too hard for them, otherwise they would have needed multiple attempts.
Did they try reconnecting the the rapid fuel connect , or was it too damaged ? Paul
Good
Closeup of disconnect doesn’t look damaged , why did they not reconnect?
It did reconnect with the quick disconnect
Even though the catch was perfect, I’m still in favour of boosters having legs and being less dependent of the tower for a catch.
Possibly having both options would be incredible ?.
As power output from the raptors and fuel capacity increase these options might become attainable in the near future.
Is it possible to get the video from the border control blimp? I imagine they were following the launch.
It maybe that starship may have two or more versions. One for to and from from earth which may have robust TPS. Depending how many towers and turn around capacity they have they may opt to catch or like say a space based starship ( type 2 or 3) some form of legs for landing in less gravity environments.
Catching a starship after a booster is again a matter of logistics. Can booster be rendered safe and moved/cleared away from the landing area for a second tower or even the same tower receive the starship.
Landing legs are eventually needed for type two starship. Why not trail it and land on flat lz and lift to a transporter. Much cheaper, simpler from engineering technical ability until there are enough mature tower facilities that can clear/render safe and then refuel after a catch.
Hey Jack, run over to the HEB in Brownsville and grab a package of Pepperidge Farms Everything bagels.
That should hold you over.
14:50 The damage could have been caused by a collision with the hot staging ring. This can be seen in a long-range video. The defect then became larger due to air pressure and fire.
SpaceX proposed building a tunnel for the public road traffic (that the city/county would pay for) around the Boca Chica Facility. This may be the only way that spaceX could get the traffic reserved for them.
Can they add a camera shutter style shield below the engine bells to prevent all that heating and fires?
Would it make sencse to use one tower for launching and the other for landings/catches? The catch tower wouldn't then need all the plumbing and quick disconnects or as much water deluge or even a launch mount. Can have a ship/booster mover on rails from the catch tower to the launch tower.
for now i think they will use one for the booster the 2nd to catch the ship after maybe a couple of full orbits
SpaceX will not probably refly booster 12. It will go to the museum.
It’ll go to the chop shop to be analyzed
1:38:08 mood
Yes
exterior of the booster looks better than I thought it would. Seems like they washed it down. HOw could there not be soot on the chime cover area that burned away?
Methane and Oxygen combustion by-products don't really contain sooty molecules. Kerosene on the other hand, which is used in Falcon 9, has lots of sooty molecules in it's combustion by-products.
Question for our Kerbal experts out there..... Can Super Heavy booster under either of the two scenarios, make a flight from Starbase to Cape Canaveral? Its 1035 miles from Starbase to Cape.
#1 Booster with starship, boosts starship into orbit and rather then return to Starbase uses that boost back fuel to continue forward to Cape Canaveral landing booster their?
#2 Booster alone, no starship, boosts from Starbase, and without the weight of a starship can make a landing in Florida?
If one, either or both are possible, that would be a way to "transport" booster and starship to other launch sites?
I haven’t played KSP in a while but the first scenario sounds highly dubious and the second one sounds vaguely possible
Скажу сразу - я не эксперт.
Склонен считать, что SuperHeavy хоть технически вполне способна совершить перелёт между космодромами, но, такой способ доставки будет сопряжён с дополнительными рисками и прочими сложностями. В первую очередь - бюрократическими.
Вобщем, ближайшие несколько лет водная транспортировка видится самым реальным решением.
А вот в будущем, да, всё может быть
Eager Space has a video on this, "Starship Hopping to Florida".
So if they fired up those warped engines would they soften up and then reshape themselves to the correct form?
The nozzles have liquid (fuel) cooling system. I assume this wasn't used during re-entry, only when the engines were actually running. Maybe they can simply enable the cooling and prevent warped nozzles.
They should put booster 12 in a museum
I was thing the same thing. SpaceX needs to have their own museum of history.
If they gut it out and lay it down. It becomes the museam
Hard to build such a large museum :D
@@cube2fox Super-easy… barely an inconvenience.
salute
Sawyer is growing as an entertainer
The booster is way more useful than just Starship. They just need a second stage to facilitate large loads.
*Why limit to that beast to a project in development when you could start cashflowing heavier loads within two years?*
Just before Hoppy flight and landing
Why reply older versions of the boosters when they have newer ones waiting to fly?
Refly not reply
They can still get data. Marginal cost of flying an old one is a few million for fuel and labor. As long as it doesn’t kill the tower.
They might skip one. It has happened before.
Why that aggressive sharpening filter? 🤔
All im saying. It’s going to be very very difficult for the starship with this TPS philosophy to be reusable like the booster. The whole point of using steel was to take advantage of its heat properties, but they are finding that if the TPS fails enough all the steel is going to do is bring the ship back in a near unusable state. The only option is going to be the shuttle option. Of having the heat tiles take the thermal load and can never fail like they did on flight 5.
If that’s the case you might as well just build the ship out of aluminum and put some of the mass you saved into a beefier heat shield.
What I would do tho is the SR71 solution: titanium ship with some spray on ablator before each flight like a deicing fluid. But ya know shoot for the stars b an an
I wonder who will build the first disposable 2nd stage
Either NASA or Germany, I can’t quite remember
They may have the positive problem, that they need to change plans for flight 6, because it was planned as another booster landing attempt. The next things they need to work on, like heatshield issues, survivability of booster engine section, catch of the ship, fuel transfer in orbit, etc., may require redesign before they can test it.
They may also want to test a full orbit including a deorbit burn.
@@cube2fox True. Or how about testing whether Starship can carry and deliver a meaningful payload. They can start with their own Starlink satellites, which they need to launch anyway.
PS! What most people dont realise is that a drawback of the Starship design is an inability to reach more than the lowest orbits. Due to its insane mass, it can not deploy a 1 ton satellite in as high an orbit as a lowly Falcon 9 can. The problem is that the dry mass of Starship (second stage) is above 100,000 kg. A F9 second stage is 3,900 kg by comparison. All that mass hurts a lot when you need to raise the orbit.
So Starship is only viable if they can get both rapid reuability and refueling to work.
@@torben777 I'm pretty confident they will get to rapid reusability with the booster, but the ship seems more uncertain. Its ceramic heat shield is necessarily fragile, which will likely require careful inspection or only limited reuse.
Someone else suggested to introduce a "Starship Heavy" with two boosters mounted to the sides of the main booster, in order to increase payload volume. Similar to Falcon Heavy. I'm not sure how realistic this is, but it would mean reducing the number of refilling flights, specifically the number of flown upper stages.
@@cube2fox Agree that the booster reuseability is a much easier problem to solve than the ship. That being said, did you notice how the engine section of the booster was glowing red hot when it returned? Cant be easy to design an engine that can take that kind of abuse and fly again without any refurbishment. In this respect it seems to be a factor that a Starship booster has to go a little higher and faster than a Falcon 9 booster.
A falcon 9 booster does a return burn right away that slows it down to around 2000 kmh (Mach 2). A starship booster slows down through aerodynamic drag from around 5000 kmh (Mach 5). That is a huge difference in energy being turned into heat.
@@torben777 I think the glowing engine section isn't that much of a problem. The bell nozzles themselves support propellant cooling, and the material between the engines, which was glowing during descent, could be made out of some heat resistant material, perhaps even ceramic tiles, or something heavier, like Inconel, since the overall area isn't that large. Perhaps the current glow is already acceptable as is.
Bagel Devolution!!!
Those Nfs nerd with there cooking and muffin are preventing me to Sub
I wanna see a WDR on the caught booster
Yes I was
It’s a shame they’re gonna take it apart. Like, I get why, but it belongs in a museum!
I can't stand YT shorts. Autoplay, autoloop, no control over the things. Drive me nuts, but I know, no one cares.
You're not the only one, I hate every about the bloody shorts... and refuse to watch them...
Also they are addictive!
I know this sounds like we’re already jumping the bullet and I know in for example they didn’t reuse the third first falcon nine booster with orbcom 2 but I mean since were already successfully catching might as well also do the first attempted booster reusability by flight six I would be a little disappointed if Elon didn’t go ahead and reuse booster 12 for flight six or IFT six
Now that SpaceX has a booster that has actually been fully flown to inspect, great progress will be made fast. I will pray for Elon and my vote will support him, not incriminate him. God Bless!
ah yes because Elon designed, built and flew the booster all by himself
Next launch 17 November.
Launch Ship 26 but with Stubby Nozzles
Insert Spider man meme here :
Carefully, he's a hero
Hoppy looks like R2D2
The excessive use of that sharpening/HDR filter looks awful.
Yeah :(
part of the decision making about going for catch on flight 5 had to even just a little consider the cost of each launch of the Super Heavy Booster and Starship. Maybe $100 - $200 million per launch of booster/starship.
Asinine financial figures. The only way you get anywhere near that is including R&D, which is not what should be done when calculating the cost of a launch.
I bet each raptor engine is more expensive than a merlin engine, and they need a lot more engines on Starship. So yeah, Starship launches may be quite expensive without reusability. The heat shield probably isn't cheap either.
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Why can't spacex use starship to launch starlink satellites?
nothing wrong with the existing road
I hope they reuse booster 12 I’m just saying just take a few repairs maybe add all the don’t even make booster 13 all those you would make to booster 13 make those upgrades to booster 12 booster 12.3 if you well re-stack a new hot stage ring make some repairs to the engines Problem solved ready for ift 6
Tanker.... ship 26
Gnarly
@nasaspaceflight how did qd arm hold up?
What are they going to do to de orbit a ship?
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