So I have to overclock, apply Liquid Metal, perform some ritual sacrifice and turn my office into a sauna so it can sometimes beat the stock 4090. Life is too short
Wouldn't matter. People wanting near 4090 performance, and beating it in some scenarios for less money will opt in for this one easily, and when that 5090 comes out, people will still more than likely be behind and not have either a 40 or 5090 by then either, so.. if this card can be the middle man, AMD wins! And even then, the 7900 XTX will drop in price a bit, and Nvidia will be in a corner, big time.
Temporarily. Nvidia sandbags performance over time. AMDs mid range cards eventually trade blows with Nvidias top dogs. Once the next gen drops Nvidia encourages people to upgrade when they throttle performance. They are Apple of the GPU market
@@hjm9586Having the disposable income doesn't suddenly make the purchase a smart one. It just means you have more money to make dumb decisions. "Something a poor person would say" pretentious and moronic.
You’re comparing a overcloccked water cooled BIOS changed card?! My guy… That’s like racing 2 cheap cars, except one of the cars had its engine tuned and equipped with a turbo charger, and ECU remap… I would love for AMD to put up a more fierce competition and gun for the halo card, but this custom made thing is NOT AMD
@@carlosortiz8764 You mean the best 4090 you can buy by selling someone into the human slave trade? Also, is that price worth 3% more performance than the worst 4090?
problem is 4090 is pushed to the limits, you can put additional 15% power and overclock all you want, but you will get max 3-5%, at the same time XTX can be easily overclocked by additional 10-15%, probably more, and since they don't use gddr6x like geforce, there is probably a lot of available upgrades that could beat 4090 in many cases if tuned, ofc that's all theoretical, and that card would most probably by $1200-1300, so not that much better than 4090
The xtx seems to overclock really well. Even the auto overclock in Adrenaline gave me 3090mhz. I have managed to manually get a stable 3.25ghz overclock. Thats with the Asus TUF gaming version.
@@heyflo1 Ive seen a gain in average fps in games and an increase in lows for the majority of games ive tested. A couple of games actually lose a few fps in the mins tho also but gain in max
I could push my XFX Merc310 7900xtx to 3545/3095, vram 2770, almost 34k point in timespy but way over 600w total card power draw.... it is unplayable at those speed, but it shows the potential of the 7900xtx. I also agree 100%, gddr6x would be a huge performance increase on that GPU, the Rtx4000 series benefits a lot from a speedier vram. Then, starfield is starting to show up the Rx7000 architecture improvements.... we haven't seen yet a game taking fully advantage of those improvements, in particular the larger 64 bits shader instruction registers that can do double calculations....
Hello! My Asrock phantom gaming 7900 xtx keeps making black screens every 30-60mins so hard i need to restart the entire pc. MY PSU is a MSI MPG A750G, maybe it's too weak. I wanna buy a new one could that solve the issue (I had the gpu swap once, and now again for "repair"/"replacement") I'M looking for MSI MPG A1000G / bequiet Pure Power 12M / Corsair RM1000e. I thought when i buy a new one, just to be sure go 1000w.
I don't expect a gpu to match or beat another which costs hundreds of dollars more. Maybe I'm easy to please or maybe I'm more realistic, I dunno, but I simply don't expect anything that's so much less expensive than the 4090 to match 4090's performance.
aha, ok, let me summarize: - power requirement hasn't been mentioned for the "7970" XTX, hasn't been compared to the 4090 - it required water cooling with liquid metal - with a huge amount of OC it's on pair with a stock 4090 - RT performance hasn't been checked correct me if i'm wrong, but the 4090 was on base clock. just a hint: it can be OC'd as well, easily with air cooling.
I did the 550W BIOS flash with the CH341A programer, along with Thermal Grizzly's Kryosheet, on my XFX Merc 310 7900 XTX, that's "custom" air cooled with an AC plumed strait into the front of my PC case. lmao Yeah, it is a beast for sure now at 3Ghz+! In the top 50 overall in TimeSpy with a 7900 XTX, and 4th with 7900 XTX and 5800X3D. Gaming wise I found it really depends on the game as far as stability over 3Ghz. Found FH5 doesn't really like to be over 3Ghz too much, and have my max limit set at 2.95Ghz, but Starfield and Cyberpunk were good at 3.1-3.2Ghz playing for long periods at a time. Would like to know what settings you had in Adrenaline for your testing.
Why isn't anyone talking about this graphics card? Because it doesn't exist. Just like the 4090 ti doesn't exist. But yeah, congrats on the overclock, though 550 watts, whew, that's high.
So it takes a max overclocked, special edition, custom bios, watercooled, and liquid metal tuned 7900XTX with undoubtably much more heat and energy consumption just to compete with a stock 4090.
Yeah, if AMD Third Party can do this for $1300 I would give them the Gamer's Choice Award for that. In the Mean Time, I have all AMD first timer because I will NEVER EVER, EVER buy an Nvidia Product of Any kind Again! Keep my fingers crossed that Navi 5 will come soon and Hard.
How about $1100 or even better $999? Let's not overprice everything again and completely shut down NVIDIA. If AMD goes for the prices again, they will fail as seen with some previous cards they had to drop in price.
@@theamazingpatrickeditor I doubt a refresh or RDNA 4 will be on 3nm, if either of them is due out next year. Apple has pretty much swallowed up and reserved almost all of the 3nm processing from TSMC for 2024. It'll not be freed up again until 2025, when Apple is expected switch over to either A20 or A18 (2nm or 1.8nm). Nvidia's Blackwell is rumoured to be on 3nm though, which could be another reason as to why Nvidia are holding off until 2025.
These cards should be refreshed. Use ddr6x ram and up the power on each card by 50 to 60 watts and they will allow a pretty big jump in performance. They could easily be hikding stable st 3.0 ghz
Two thoughts: AMD had some weird artifact issues when running their cards at those numbers, so they artificially capped them. This explains the performance numbers they showed when launching the 7900 XT(X) last year. Everyone assumed it was hardware-related and they couldn't fix this post launch. However... What if they did fix it and are now playing a whole different game here? Think of Nvidia's last gen cards. They still are in stock everywhere as they're extremely overpriced even only compared to Nvidia's current gen, leaving AMD out of the equation entirely. Now what will happen with RDNA4 vs RTX 50? If Nvidia is going to do Nvidia stuff as usual, they will launch their cards at a pretty high premium compared to AMD. This alone will force them to lower the prices of their 40 cards significantly. But what if AMD at this point unlocks the power target of their RDNA3 lineup and hands out new drivers that allow them to go crazy? All of a sudden you can buy an unlocked 7900 XTX for, let's say $700 or less that can get pretty close to a 4090. They could screw up Nvidia's price policy entirely, gaining market share with their (by that time) last-gen cards big time while also being able to offer their RDNA4 cards at a much lower price. Nvidia would have the same problem as both had this gen due to the crypto crash, while AMD will be able to empty out their last-gen stockpile in no time.
@@thiccone6005 there's an obvious performance difference between ray tracing on and off, and is a huge component in creating/rendering 3D models... in my experience, games with ray tracing on are much smoother, when the right settings are applied... but please, regurgitate false information butthurt YT creators who can't afford a 4090 say about it lol
even the most popular youtubers earning hundreds to a million dollars say it's a useless gimmick legit most of the games don't get nowhere close to above 100 fps with it and for 1600 dollars what a rip off.
This isn't new news. When the 7900XTX came out they said it would match the RTX 4090 but they needed a buttload of power (north of 500w) to keep up with it. They decided not to release it like that since the consumers would complain and they being AMD they would fumble the cooler just like they did the reference models, just like they did the 290X etc etc.
Idk if anyone else remembers this but earlt rdna3 was supposed to have up to 15k shaders instead of the 12k we got. That gpu would have competed directly with the 4090
No one's talking about it because AMD is not talking about it. If they got the goods, then they should stand up and highlight it. That's on AMD, not anyone else.
A very wise man once said..."If you're not first you're last!"... why would you not compete if you could... unless Nvidia and AMD are in bed together which is possible being the CEOs are literally something like first cousins. Nahhh thats not wierd... right??????
550W to lose to a stock 4090, bro stop coping, the xtx simply doesn't have a big enough chip to take on the 4090. AMD just didn't go that big due to their L power management on this gen. It just can't compete with RTX 4080/90 they're simply superior.
why don't you review the new cyberpunk 2.0 update with the given new features such as DLSS 3.5 ray reconstruction? Surely that would be worth your time?
just bought this exact card last week and when i saw the title of this video I was about to feel sick because i was thinking "oh no i bought a 7900xtx when something better is right around the corner" imagine my relief when it turned out the card you were talking about was actually the one I had bought after all LOL.
aktually I wanted to buy a nice version of a RX 7900 XTX and now I have the 4090 and I'm happy as hell even max undervolted and limited to 115 FPS max on my 120Hz LG OLED C1! The efficiency is just so AMAZING!!! Now when the RX 7970 XTX would even beat the 4090 in most games I wouldn't even bother because I've got more than enough power and MUCH LESS power draw!!! I couldn't ever live with draw over 400 watts all the time! I live in Germany and the times where energy was cheap are over! now I even look that I always turn off my internet router when I leave my flat! :D
i have this card and the hotspot temp issue IS VERY COMMON ON THIS GPU. Replace with kyrosheet (Thermal PAD) for the fix. thermal compound will just pump out over time on this chiplet gpu
My PowerColor RX 7900 XTX Red Devil Limited at stock reaches 375W and 70°C and 90°C Hotspot after i replaced the thermal paste due to it being badly applied from the factory and it was causing 109°C Hotspot temp
as one of the ones with EVC on my 7900xtx with liquid metal etc and a large custom loop to deal with it, I've argued the same. One issue around 3200-3400 mhz depending on games can get instability but its totally depends on the specific games, where 3d mark I was pushing 3500mhz clocks and going toe to toe with 4090's in that. Albiet at much higher wattage, like 900w, 1000w in furmark in that setup. Golden chips with good memory controllers etc can hit that like 3100-3300 sweet spot for much less power some work probably still needs to be done for stability. A really good, low leakage part probably can do 3250-3300 for only 550-600w in many titles full tilt. (cyberpunk will push up clockspeeds) Memory overclocking is a huge uplift as well, I personally have a bit higher leakage, guess you can gleam this from ASIC quality # ? but i haven't had enough comparisons with friends/other members that have done this to really see. Sorry if I missed it but how did you get clocks/power target to what you did? Is Aqua different? I ended up going with the Taichi, and putting custom block on.
I knew that my 7970 GHz Edition would come back because it was at its peak, and I was living in the future ahead of you folks (just waiting for over 10 years)...... Losers, I already have the 7970 GHz Editions.
What is odd to me is that, unlike RDNA2 vs Ampere, Nvidia has no higher -card- die than the AD102 used in the 4090, Nvidia cannot take the H100 and slap some video out ports on it like they could with the A100, most of the ROPS have been removed from the H100. So if AMD beats The 4090, the only card AMD would have to worry about is the fully unlocked AD102 AMD even if they brought a 750mm die RDNA2 with 110CU, it would have been beaten by the A100, which on paper could be faster at raster than the 4090(keep in mind the A100 doesnt use double pumped INT+FP32, so on paper it could be 2x as fast as the cuda core count suggests) For reference, slap some video ports on the H100 and i would not be surprized if it performed worse than a 2060 due to the lack of ROPs But there is no reason to not go for the crown now, other than complacency. AMD's cards are cheaper to manufacture. The 4090 is 600mm 4nm The 7900XT is 300mm 5nm drop a 400-450mm GCD with significantlly more on-die cache, while keeping the MCD cache as an L4. same bandwidth but as much as a 30w power saving by moving the cache on-die transfering less bits/joules to and from the MCD (IIRC this chiplet design uses 2-4 picojoules per bit transferred between cache and GCD almost as bad as GDDR6, but alot more bits being transferred)
Noone wants to talk about it? Isn't a 3Ghz+ Nvidia beater all you were talking about for years, then the 7900xtx dropped and dropped the ball at the same time with it's 'poor' performance. 🤷
Asus just dropped the $3200 4090 with liquid metal cooling. We need the same for the 7900 xtx to properly compare the two ar their peak performances. But as a whole, a stock 4090 beats the xtx, and overclocked is largely the same? In terms of stock vs stock and oc vs oc.
It's gona sound like I'm an nvidia fanboy, but by the time you buy the 7900xtx aqua with a complete loop or maybe a 7970xtx with a price markup considering the insane powerdraw, it might be cheaper to just buy the 4090.
This is the 7900 that I want lol. I have the Asrock 6900xt phantom gaming D with a water block, and its a beast. So i figured their aqua 7900xtx would follow suite.
Managed to side flash vbios the liquid devil vbios to my red devil for that extra 40W 434W->467ish and I can get 3000-3100mhz CoreClock, but what is super weird, and this may be because of the new water block I installed that keeps the VRAM at 52C, but I can Overclock the ram to 2875 no problem and before i couldn't even do 2700mhz.
I've heard the same countless times. Dude, AMD will never beat Nvidia on the top end. Everyone buys Nvidia, even if they hate them. They just have a better feature set. The mid tier is were they can compete and even so its hard to convince people to buy AMD. The Ryzen vs Intel case it's not the same on the GPU side. It's just the way it is.
no ever buys amd gpus that is just factually incorrect, and amd win the middle ground top end gpus are really a niche market and don't represent alot on overall sales however i can agree nivida do win them on that tho amd do win on the middle ground which is where most people tend to be honestly, it really doesn't make sense to fight at the high end when like 90% really dont have the money or cant justify the cost of them and i think amd know that there great at the middle ground or at least was when it came to gaming with a budget , personally the last 2 generations minus the 6800xt from amd have been a huge bust
Plenty of gas left in the 102 die for a 4090 ti and a titan. Add ggdr7 and they could make something like 5 different gpus thats faster than 4090. 4090 is kind of disappointing because of the cut down and the price, but it is the fastest.
Probably unpopular opinion but I care too much about Ray Tracing. I loved my 6900 XT but I kept feeling FOMO whenever I had to turn off (or lower) ray tracing in games. I hate my 4090 I wish I didn't feel obligated to get it but until they get good RT I'm gonna stay green for awhile.
With the way the economy is going, AMD is going to make a comeback in the coming decade. We'll be looking at a 50/50 market share again at least. Nvidia is just spitting in our faces every generation with the low amount of VRAM, terrible performance uplift gen over gen (40 series, 20 series) and lack of actual "budget cards". I wish i couldve convinced myself to buy a 4070 Ti, i miss my Nvidia features on my 2070 Super. But i am incredibly happy with my 7900 XT. Its extremely close to 4080 performance at the price of the 4070 Ti. AMD's RT ability has also come to almost match 30 Series RTX, which is plenty good enough for most of us that want to fiddle with RT at decent framerates. AMD would do well to capitalize and do marketing showing how far theyve come. The issue is that people still see them as the "buggy cheap option" when in reality lately theyre just as stable as Nvidia products. Fanboys wont admit it, but Nvidia has just as many issues as AMD with drivers. Read the changelogs.
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If amd could improve rt performance and create an implementation of dlss or improve fsr2 they'd be a clear choice. Even just having dlss somehow and slightly better raytracing performance. Paying slightly more for a tiny bit less raster but far faster RT and having dlss would possibly push me to a 4070 over a 7800xt..... maybe. .. FSR2 just looks really bad often. There seem to be reported problems with the 7900xtx too.... which does still look like a very nice card. If i was building a new pc i would still be very tempted for the 7900xt..... it's generally cheaper by quite a bit than the 4070ti
FSR 3.0 will be coming out later this year with frame generation it will make ray tracing finally viable on AMD cards. it looks and performs similarly to dlss 2.5
Cost aside, yeah...NO. especially with regards to Ray Tracing. Don't get me wrong, I want AMD to do better just for the sake of competition, that will be better for us all. Both those results in the charts are clearly cherry picked with certain select games. In other words, unless I see a Hardware Unboxed video doing a multi game comparison with the cards at different settings and resolutions, it's not better.
Ehh I returned my 4090 for the 7900 too and I couldn't be more happy about it. The 4090 is a terrible card with countless issues. I've never had one problem with my AMD card. Honestly if they keep making cards like this I'll never get a Nvidia card again
Would probably have gotten a 7900 XTX too but the 7 months it took to fix VR, the ongoing power issues, lack of features and just not being good enough for the price made me get a 4090 instead. No regrets. I hope AMD gets their sh*t together tho...need at least some competition at the highest end.
Conner, lIke I have been saying since RDNA lll launch, GCD to MCD latency requires power / frequency to increase transfer rate + adding memory OC, balancing,, makes sense but 525W . . . hahaha. mb
Y'all are crazy chasing numbers instead of better games. :p Even so, it doesn't look like a fair comparison. Do the same with the 4090 for a fair trial.
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So I have to overclock, apply Liquid Metal, perform some ritual sacrifice and turn my office into a sauna so it can sometimes beat the stock 4090. Life is too short
Kinda wish life was way more longer in terms of years and aging.
your office probably already is a sauna. with the amount a 4090 draws your office won't feel any hotter.
@@alanchen7757 how do you know?
@@ZAND4TSU I will let you figure that out. should be obvious when the internet exist. key word internet.
@@alanchen7757 sorry mr.internet geez
AMD needs to compete in a timely fashion… by the time they beat 4090, nvidia drops 5090 and shats on them.
The 5090 will come out in about a year, so they need to release something within the next two to three months
Wouldn't matter. People wanting near 4090 performance, and beating it in some scenarios for less money will opt in for this one easily, and when that 5090 comes out, people will still more than likely be behind and not have either a 40 or 5090 by then either, so.. if this card can be the middle man, AMD wins! And even then, the 7900 XTX will drop in price a bit, and Nvidia will be in a corner, big time.
Maybe you think the two teams work in sync.
Temporarily. Nvidia sandbags performance over time. AMDs mid range cards eventually trade blows with Nvidias top dogs. Once the next gen drops Nvidia encourages people to upgrade when they throttle performance. They are Apple of the GPU market
@@JM-kn9dhisnt nvidia only releasing 5000 series in 2025?
if you have to water cool and liquid metal you already lost 99% of consumers and pretty sure you can do some crazy mods on 4090 if really wanted to
Asus just released the 4090 Matrix lol
I agree.
@@hjm9586 A fool and their money are easily parted .
Something a poor person would say. If one has the disposable income for it, clearly they aint a fool.@@Interdiction
@@hjm9586Having the disposable income doesn't suddenly make the purchase a smart one. It just means you have more money to make dumb decisions. "Something a poor person would say" pretentious and moronic.
You’re comparing a overcloccked water cooled BIOS changed card?! My guy…
That’s like racing 2 cheap cars, except one of the cars had its engine tuned and equipped with a turbo charger, and ECU remap…
I would love for AMD to put up a more fierce competition and gun for the halo card, but this custom made thing is NOT AMD
Interesting results ….. but tbh, I’d love to see the RTX4090 overclocked on water as well and both of these gpus put head to head.
Hardware Unboxed just did that
Just look at the Asus 4090 Matrix, pretty much the best 4090 money can buy
@@carlosortiz8764 You mean the best 4090 you can buy by selling someone into the human slave trade? Also, is that price worth 3% more performance than the worst 4090?
@@theconsummatenerdlol 😂
problem is 4090 is pushed to the limits, you can put additional 15% power and overclock all you want, but you will get max 3-5%, at the same time XTX can be easily overclocked by additional 10-15%, probably more, and since they don't use gddr6x like geforce, there is probably a lot of available upgrades that could beat 4090 in many cases if tuned, ofc that's all theoretical, and that card would most probably by $1200-1300, so not that much better than 4090
The xtx seems to overclock really well. Even the auto overclock in Adrenaline gave me 3090mhz. I have managed to manually get a stable 3.25ghz overclock. Thats with the Asus TUF gaming version.
How does it translate to in game performance tho?
@@heyflo1 Ive seen a gain in average fps in games and an increase in lows for the majority of games ive tested. A couple of games actually lose a few fps in the mins tho also but gain in max
@@heyflo15% or less. GPU manufacturers are already squeezing out what they can for the consumer. Gone are the days of getting 10%+.
And how much power does your card use?
I could push my XFX Merc310 7900xtx to 3545/3095, vram 2770, almost 34k point in timespy but way over 600w total card power draw.... it is unplayable at those speed, but it shows the potential of the 7900xtx.
I also agree 100%, gddr6x would be a huge performance increase on that GPU, the Rtx4000 series benefits a lot from a speedier vram.
Then, starfield is starting to show up the Rx7000 architecture improvements.... we haven't seen yet a game taking fully advantage of those improvements, in particular the larger 64 bits shader instruction registers that can do double calculations....
That not a gpu that’s an oven
Hello! My Asrock phantom gaming 7900 xtx keeps making black screens every 30-60mins so hard i need to restart the entire pc.
MY PSU is a MSI MPG A750G, maybe it's too weak. I wanna buy a new one could that solve the issue (I had the gpu swap once, and now again for "repair"/"replacement")
I'M looking for MSI MPG A1000G / bequiet Pure Power 12M / Corsair RM1000e. I thought when i buy a new one, just to be sure go 1000w.
I don't expect a gpu to match or beat another which costs hundreds of dollars more. Maybe I'm easy to please or maybe I'm more realistic, I dunno, but I simply don't expect anything that's so much less expensive than the 4090 to match 4090's performance.
4090 is overpriced, how much it costs doesn’t relate to how good it is, I don’t know what you’re on about .
aha, ok, let me summarize:
- power requirement hasn't been mentioned for the "7970" XTX, hasn't been compared to the 4090
- it required water cooling with liquid metal
- with a huge amount of OC it's on pair with a stock 4090
- RT performance hasn't been checked
correct me if i'm wrong, but the 4090 was on base clock. just a hint: it can be OC'd as well, easily with air cooling.
Yeah but it is also 2x the price even now
I did the 550W BIOS flash with the CH341A programer, along with Thermal Grizzly's Kryosheet, on my XFX Merc 310 7900 XTX, that's "custom" air cooled with an AC plumed strait into the front of my PC case. lmao Yeah, it is a beast for sure now at 3Ghz+! In the top 50 overall in TimeSpy with a 7900 XTX, and 4th with 7900 XTX and 5800X3D. Gaming wise I found it really depends on the game as far as stability over 3Ghz. Found FH5 doesn't really like to be over 3Ghz too much, and have my max limit set at 2.95Ghz, but Starfield and Cyberpunk were good at 3.1-3.2Ghz playing for long periods at a time. Would like to know what settings you had in Adrenaline for your testing.
Why isn't anyone talking about this graphics card? Because it doesn't exist. Just like the 4090 ti doesn't exist. But yeah, congrats on the overclock, though 550 watts, whew, that's high.
So it takes a max overclocked, special edition, custom bios, watercooled, and liquid metal tuned 7900XTX with undoubtably much more heat and energy consumption just to compete with a stock 4090.
4090 has a bigger die and on a one generation better node
Yeah, if AMD Third Party can do this for $1300 I would give them the Gamer's Choice Award for that. In the Mean Time, I have all AMD first timer because I will NEVER EVER, EVER buy an Nvidia Product of Any kind Again! Keep my fingers crossed that Navi 5 will come soon and Hard.
How about $1100 or even better $999? Let's not overprice everything again and completely shut down NVIDIA. If AMD goes for the prices again, they will fail as seen with some previous cards they had to drop in price.
AMD said they're doing a RDNA 3.5 refresh so I wouldn't be surprised if they did this. I'm looking forward to it 👀.
@@theamazingpatrickeditor I doubt a refresh or RDNA 4 will be on 3nm, if either of them is due out next year. Apple has pretty much swallowed up and reserved almost all of the 3nm processing from TSMC for 2024. It'll not be freed up again until 2025, when Apple is expected switch over to either A20 or A18 (2nm or 1.8nm). Nvidia's Blackwell is rumoured to be on 3nm though, which could be another reason as to why Nvidia are holding off until 2025.
These cards should be refreshed. Use ddr6x ram and up the power on each card by 50 to 60 watts and they will allow a pretty big jump in performance. They could easily be hikding stable st 3.0 ghz
Two thoughts:
AMD had some weird artifact issues when running their cards at those numbers, so they artificially capped them. This explains the performance numbers they showed when launching the 7900 XT(X) last year. Everyone assumed it was hardware-related and they couldn't fix this post launch.
However...
What if they did fix it and are now playing a whole different game here? Think of Nvidia's last gen cards. They still are in stock everywhere as they're extremely overpriced even only compared to Nvidia's current gen, leaving AMD out of the equation entirely.
Now what will happen with RDNA4 vs RTX 50? If Nvidia is going to do Nvidia stuff as usual, they will launch their cards at a pretty high premium compared to AMD. This alone will force them to lower the prices of their 40 cards significantly. But what if AMD at this point unlocks the power target of their RDNA3 lineup and hands out new drivers that allow them to go crazy? All of a sudden you can buy an unlocked 7900 XTX for, let's say $700 or less that can get pretty close to a 4090. They could screw up Nvidia's price policy entirely, gaining market share with their (by that time) last-gen cards big time while also being able to offer their RDNA4 cards at a much lower price. Nvidia would have the same problem as both had this gen due to the crypto crash, while AMD will be able to empty out their last-gen stockpile in no time.
Sources?
You should rename your channel "Mentally Challenged"
This is more or less a showcase of how well a game is optimized to a certain GPU.
An inferior product at a cheaper price is NOT winning. The 4090 poops on amd and doesn't bother flushing
Ah shit, here we go again!
My nitro + 7900xtx will sustain 3025mhz during certain gaming situations. Super happy about it and just wanted to flex a little bit.
😂😂 enable Ray tracing
@@xwety nice the known gimmick ray tracing comes into an argument
@@thiccone6005 there's an obvious performance difference between ray tracing on and off, and is a huge component in creating/rendering 3D models... in my experience, games with ray tracing on are much smoother, when the right settings are applied... but please, regurgitate false information butthurt YT creators who can't afford a 4090 say about it lol
even the most popular youtubers earning hundreds to a million dollars say it's a useless gimmick legit most of the games don't get nowhere close to above 100 fps with it and for 1600 dollars what a rip off.
@@xwety only reason people use it is for single player games to *look pretty * for a moment and turn it off
This isn't new news. When the 7900XTX came out they said it would match the RTX 4090 but they needed a buttload of power (north of 500w) to keep up with it.
They decided not to release it like that since the consumers would complain and they being AMD they would fumble the cooler just like they did the reference models, just like they did the 290X etc etc.
Idk if anyone else remembers this but earlt rdna3 was supposed to have up to 15k shaders instead of the 12k we got. That gpu would have competed directly with the 4090
Did you max out the 4090 also?
My xtx gets to 3gz, it could go further but my ambient room temps was a bit high till recently
Wait 'til summer, it'll cost hundreds a month to stay cool while running that beast.
@@FromDesertTown lol it's not as bad as you would think, at worst I open the side of my case, but I tightened the back brace so my temps are normal
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Playing dogshit looter zoomer shooters in 4k, gen z is so far gone honestly
No one's talking about it because AMD is not talking about it. If they got the goods, then they should stand up and highlight it. That's on AMD, not anyone else.
A very wise man once said..."If you're not first you're last!"... why would you not compete if you could... unless Nvidia and AMD are in bed together which is possible being the CEOs are literally something like first cousins. Nahhh thats not wierd... right??????
I wonder how well PTM 7950 would have done instead of liquid metal
how does it compare to the 4090 in cuda workloads and av1 encoding?
550W to lose to a stock 4090, bro stop coping, the xtx simply doesn't have a big enough chip to take on the 4090. AMD just didn't go that big due to their L power management on this gen. It just can't compete with RTX 4080/90 they're simply superior.
dont know why I wasted my time watching this video
why don't you review the new cyberpunk 2.0 update with the given new features such as DLSS 3.5 ray reconstruction? Surely that would be worth your time?
Can you run the RX 7900 XTX on a AM4 Motherboard?
just bought this exact card last week and when i saw the title of this video I was about to feel sick because i was thinking "oh no i bought a 7900xtx when something better is right around the corner" imagine my relief when it turned out the card you were talking about was actually the one I had bought after all LOL.
I loved how you made up problems with a Nvida, you did not even google on how to fix it.
My Red Devil hits 3200Mhz all the time. All stock, not even re-pasted.
Remember that air conditioner case that LTT tested?
Nvidia comes out with a fictional 5090iou and in good order AMD responds with a fictional 7970xtxxx
Well if AMD would do that, NVIDIA would pump out a 4090 Ti in no time.
aktually I wanted to buy a nice version of a RX 7900 XTX and now I have the 4090 and I'm happy as hell even max undervolted and limited to 115 FPS max on my 120Hz LG OLED C1! The efficiency is just so AMAZING!!! Now when the RX 7970 XTX would even beat the 4090 in most games I wouldn't even bother because I've got more than enough power and MUCH LESS power draw!!! I couldn't ever live with draw over 400 watts all the time! I live in Germany and the times where energy was cheap are over! now I even look that I always turn off my internet router when I leave my flat! :D
If it has 130CU's then it's a possibility and doable...
What's the power draw? I imagine that bumping up to and above 3Ghz is going to pull some power.
i have this card and the hotspot temp issue IS VERY COMMON ON THIS GPU. Replace with kyrosheet (Thermal PAD) for the fix. thermal compound will just pump out over time on this chiplet gpu
Does it affect every version of the gpu
I was thinking 'oh FFS don't be eating the cereal'
Then I laughed my ass off 😂
My PowerColor RX 7900 XTX Red Devil Limited at stock reaches 375W and 70°C
and 90°C Hotspot after i replaced the thermal paste due to it being badly applied from the factory and it was causing 109°C Hotspot temp
as one of the ones with EVC on my 7900xtx with liquid metal etc and a large custom loop to deal with it, I've argued the same.
One issue around 3200-3400 mhz depending on games can get instability but its totally depends on the specific games, where 3d mark I was pushing 3500mhz clocks and going toe to toe with 4090's in that. Albiet at much higher wattage, like 900w, 1000w in furmark in that setup.
Golden chips with good memory controllers etc can hit that like 3100-3300 sweet spot for much less power some work probably still needs to be done for stability.
A really good, low leakage part probably can do 3250-3300 for only 550-600w in many titles full tilt. (cyberpunk will push up clockspeeds)
Memory overclocking is a huge uplift as well,
I personally have a bit higher leakage, guess you can gleam this from ASIC quality # ? but i haven't had enough comparisons with friends/other members that have done this to really see.
Sorry if I missed it but how did you get clocks/power target to what you did? Is Aqua different? I ended up going with the Taichi, and putting custom block on.
Hey I'm looking to make pc build focused around the 7900xtx can u help me out?
You can put the aqua bios on the phantom and taichi as well. Asrock make some power hungry cards.
Have you tested this?
You can flash the aqua bios onto any Xtx with a ch341a. I did it to my nitro +
I knew that my 7970 GHz Edition would come back because it was at its peak, and I was living in the future ahead of you folks (just waiting for over 10 years)...... Losers, I already have the 7970 GHz Editions.
OMFG, Haha, Bwahahaha, that is by far the best way to do a sponsor ad to guarantee people don't skip it, well done
I dont think people would pay over $999 for such a card.
What is odd to me is that, unlike RDNA2 vs Ampere, Nvidia has no higher -card- die than the AD102 used in the 4090, Nvidia cannot take the H100 and slap some video out ports on it like they could with the A100, most of the ROPS have been removed from the H100.
So if AMD beats The 4090, the only card AMD would have to worry about is the fully unlocked AD102
AMD even if they brought a 750mm die RDNA2 with 110CU, it would have been beaten by the A100, which on paper could be faster at raster than the 4090(keep in mind the A100 doesnt use double pumped INT+FP32, so on paper it could be 2x as fast as the cuda core count suggests)
For reference, slap some video ports on the H100 and i would not be surprized if it performed worse than a 2060 due to the lack of ROPs
But there is no reason to not go for the crown now, other than complacency.
AMD's cards are cheaper to manufacture.
The 4090 is 600mm 4nm
The 7900XT is 300mm 5nm
drop a 400-450mm GCD with significantlly more on-die cache, while keeping the MCD cache as an L4. same bandwidth but as much as a 30w power saving by moving the cache on-die transfering less bits/joules to and from the MCD (IIRC this chiplet design uses 2-4 picojoules per bit transferred between cache and GCD almost as bad as GDDR6, but alot more bits being transferred)
Noone wants to talk about it? Isn't a 3Ghz+ Nvidia beater all you were talking about for years, then the 7900xtx dropped and dropped the ball at the same time with it's 'poor' performance. 🤷
HEY what about the unofficial RTX 4095?
If AMD put some effort into ray tracing there might be some comparison... as soon as RT comes into the room AMD shits the bed
for 95% of people these kind of gpus are overkill.
I would buy a 7950 or 7970XTX if it's gonna be on par with a 4090 or beat it.
Asus just dropped the $3200 4090 with liquid metal cooling.
We need the same for the 7900 xtx to properly compare the two ar their peak performances.
But as a whole, a stock 4090 beats the xtx, and overclocked is largely the same? In terms of stock vs stock and oc vs oc.
40 series won't overclock more than 6%
If I get $1 every time this guy says goodbye and rip I might be a billionaire by now.
Man I love clickbaits.
It's gona sound like I'm an nvidia fanboy, but by the time you buy the 7900xtx aqua with a complete loop or maybe a 7970xtx with a price markup considering the insane powerdraw, it might be cheaper to just buy the 4090.
And easier with less hassle.
This is the 7900 that I want lol. I have the Asrock 6900xt phantom gaming D with a water block, and its a beast. So i figured their aqua 7900xtx would follow suite.
You seem like such a well informed, non-speculative guy
Yeah this isn’t even a comparison. 4090 is in another league. When the 5090 comes it will be in another galaxy along with the price🤦🏻♂️
Bruh you looked goofy af eating that cereal in the ad
5% percent is a tiny bit.....actually 5% is a generational leap according to AMD hahaha
now imagine asrock makes a 4090 gpu then truly NOTHING will compare to their 4090 card. god i wish they made nvidia gpus
asrock not all that great.
It says so in their namee as Rock = worth nothing.
There are much better aib than asrock for nvidia. Msi and asus are just 2 of them.
Managed to side flash vbios the liquid devil vbios to my red devil for that extra 40W 434W->467ish and I can get 3000-3100mhz CoreClock, but what is super weird, and this may be because of the new water block I installed that keeps the VRAM at 52C, but I can Overclock the ram to 2875 no problem and before i couldn't even do 2700mhz.
I've heard the same countless times. Dude, AMD will never beat Nvidia on the top end. Everyone buys Nvidia, even if they hate them. They just have a better feature set. The mid tier is were they can compete and even so its hard to convince people to buy AMD. The Ryzen vs Intel case it's not the same on the GPU side. It's just the way it is.
no ever buys amd gpus that is just factually incorrect, and amd win the middle ground top end gpus are really a niche market and don't represent alot on overall sales however i can agree nivida do win them on that tho amd do win on the middle ground which is where most people tend to be honestly, it really doesn't make sense to fight at the high end when like 90% really dont have the money or cant justify the cost of them and i think amd know that there great at the middle ground or at least was when it came to gaming with a budget , personally the last 2 generations minus the 6800xt from amd have been a huge bust
GREAT ad bro. Love the angle you take.. it's hilarious.
I thought the 7900xtx was moreso a 4080 competitor, not 4090
AMD Needs to get those CPUs out.
I thought I clicked on a cereal commercial! Way to much advertising
OMG my favourite 7970 is back! Bigger and badder! Although it's now RX instead of HD 😂😂
Plenty of gas left in the 102 die for a 4090 ti and a titan. Add ggdr7 and they could make something like 5 different gpus thats faster than 4090. 4090 is kind of disappointing because of the cut down and the price, but it is the fastest.
Probably unpopular opinion but I care too much about Ray Tracing. I loved my 6900 XT but I kept feeling FOMO whenever I had to turn off (or lower) ray tracing in games. I hate my 4090 I wish I didn't feel obligated to get it but until they get good RT I'm gonna stay green for awhile.
With the way the economy is going, AMD is going to make a comeback in the coming decade. We'll be looking at a 50/50 market share again at least. Nvidia is just spitting in our faces every generation with the low amount of VRAM, terrible performance uplift gen over gen (40 series, 20 series) and lack of actual "budget cards".
I wish i couldve convinced myself to buy a 4070 Ti, i miss my Nvidia features on my 2070 Super. But i am incredibly happy with my 7900 XT. Its extremely close to 4080 performance at the price of the 4070 Ti. AMD's RT ability has also come to almost match 30 Series RTX, which is plenty good enough for most of us that want to fiddle with RT at decent framerates.
AMD would do well to capitalize and do marketing showing how far theyve come. The issue is that people still see them as the "buggy cheap option" when in reality lately theyre just as stable as Nvidia products. Fanboys wont admit it, but Nvidia has just as many issues as AMD with drivers. Read the changelogs.
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Would you buy an RX 7970 XTX 3GHz Edition? Let me know your thoughts in the comments below!
You have said you don't read the comments
there wont be 7950 or 7970 xtx we already know that!
Cyberpunk result is an AMD win
If amd could improve rt performance and create an implementation of dlss or improve fsr2 they'd be a clear choice. Even just having dlss somehow and slightly better raytracing performance.
Paying slightly more for a tiny bit less raster but far faster RT and having dlss would possibly push me to a 4070 over a 7800xt..... maybe. .. FSR2 just looks really bad often.
There seem to be reported problems with the 7900xtx too.... which does still look like a very nice card. If i was building a new pc i would still be very tempted for the 7900xt..... it's generally cheaper by quite a bit than the 4070ti
FSR 3.0 will be coming out later this year with frame generation it will make ray tracing finally viable on AMD cards. it looks and performs similarly to dlss 2.5
Are your ear holes ok?
Price difference is not worth it.
Amd too worried about efficiency man at the end of the day You don't buy the fastest card because of its efficiency
7970 was my first gpu 😢
AMD needs to step up there GPU game
How big? 50 cm long?
This channel is paid by AMD, stop overselling.
😂 my breakfast is my previous dinner ❤
Is the 800€ worth for 4090
where are u finding a 4090 for 800€ it’s literally 1500+ everywhere
Cost aside, yeah...NO. especially with regards to Ray Tracing. Don't get me wrong, I want AMD to do better just for the sake of competition, that will be better for us all. Both those results in the charts are clearly cherry picked with certain select games.
In other words, unless I see a Hardware Unboxed video doing a multi game comparison with the cards at different settings and resolutions, it's not better.
And, if you are going to spend $1,300 for a high end card, you are going to spend at least the MSRP for an RTX 4090.
Ehh I returned my 4090 for the 7900 too and I couldn't be more happy about it. The 4090 is a terrible card with countless issues. I've never had one problem with my AMD card. Honestly if they keep making cards like this I'll never get a Nvidia card again
Would probably have gotten a 7900 XTX too but the 7 months it took to fix VR, the ongoing power issues, lack of features and just not being good enough for the price made me get a 4090 instead. No regrets. I hope AMD gets their sh*t together tho...need at least some competition at the highest end.
Conner, lIke I have been saying since RDNA lll launch, GCD to MCD latency requires power / frequency to increase transfer rate + adding memory OC, balancing,, makes sense but 525W . . . hahaha. mb
Good for AsRock as a price / margin support. mb
cereal killer! 😱
Y'all are crazy chasing numbers instead of better games. :p Even so, it doesn't look like a fair comparison. Do the same with the 4090 for a fair trial.
Radeon HD 7970 launched in 2011..
Far out tbis channel is embarrassingly click bait... Does this serisouly habe a following