I’ve been prospecting with a local chapter of a worldwide club for the last few months. It’s like pulling teeth to get everyone to go on a ride together. “Brotherhood” is just one of those loosely used words these days.
If you’re not riding what are ya doing? I just got my first bike at 52 and it’s a dual sport so I’m trying to ride daily. Just assumed MC’s rode a bunch
Steve Felt that’s awesome! I will have another dual sport one day. Personally, I ride everywhere, even to the grocery store. Not everyone is that way in a club. I have learned that there are still fair weather riders within. It’s just a look and a status to some. I’m hoping our new bylaws will take care of some of this. If you’re in an MC, no one should have to twist your arm to get you to come ride. Ride safe!
I have been in the club world for over 20+ yrs I have taken part in defense fundraisers when I believe in the person who is being accused of something but no yet proven. I don't base it on club I base it on the person. The brotherhood in my club is a beautiful thing but I can only speak of my club. I have seen a lot of propaganda among the law enforcement community towards the biker community a good example is the Twin Peaks shooting, and the out come cases dropped but if you had listened to law enforcement & Waco's DA it was all the clubs fault, Interesting how you didn't hear much on the undercover cop that was in the club that showed up to a event they where never apart of. There where a lot of innocent folks but to listen to the Cops & DA everyone was guilty. So when it comes to Propaganda it's out there not just with clubs but law enforcement to... Just my .02
John O - I have criticized law enforcement's handling in Waco. However, I do not believe they created the problem but did not stop the problem they knew existed. That was compounded by the prosecution trying to stuff shit back into the horse. Please don't assume I'm saying this is a one size fits all either. I know there clubs out there that are in for the right reasons. If you have found such a club for 20 plus years, that's great. The content I post is from my experiences, and things I've seen first hand. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Found your channel recently Sir, Love watching every upload, and your insight is invaluable.. Thank you for your contribution to the Biker world.! Greetings from Dorset, England..
Moonfleet - thank you for the kind words and support of the channel. It's humbling to have people supporting the channel from across the pond. Thank you.
@@FingersFew I totally agree on the points you make here, Brotherhood i hard earned in any walk of life, be it Military or other fraternity, not inherited by right of association, i consider it the highest honour to be called 'Brother'. it is the greatest achievement to attain that status in another mans heart.
True Patriots sure separates the cream from the crop as we well can see since your video 2 years ago. There are those that walk the talk and then , let’s say Rinos for a lack of better term. Can people ( brothers ) just stand on truth anymore? I never thought, in my 60 + years, that I’d ever see an attack on free speech like today. Fight For Your Rights! -- BROTHER! Thank you for your candidness and genuine concern.
What the Constitution comment is inferring is your 1st Amendment rights don't mean squat when you are given the choice to take a "cut" off or take a beating and have it taken. It happens. THAT is the real world. BTW, I'm ex-Navy and swore an oath to that very same document. Even still, I try to practice common sense.
First, thank you for your service. I understand that people's rights don't mean squat in face of someone who doesn't care about other people's rights. That's one of of my points in the video. The Brits didn't care what rights we wanted so we shot them. I feel the same for anyone who tries to trample on my rights. Yes, there are those not willing to stand up for themselves. That's why we have cops or on a larger scale, a military. I''ve always said ""you have the right to protest, I reserve my right to counter protest." Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@FingersFew its nothing to do with the constitution, what private individuals do is between them and the gov have no say. I have no problem with 'don't wear that shit in my bar/our event' I do have issues with take it off or get a beating.
Defend yourself. If you can’t then contact the police and a lawyer. Use your cell phone to audio and videotape the person who is committing a crime against you
Good video. I agree with you that honesty should prevail. I am one of the few people in my club that seems to actually ride year round. Most of the guys keep their bikes in garages and don’t let them get dirty it seems to me. I get grief from people because my bike hasn’t been washed or that I ride in the rain. I only have a bike. Some people just need to get a life and leave people alone.
I have served for 22 yrs as a US Army Ranger, and your right it does piss me off that someone would think and say this BS! And this also has another side to the coin (so to speak), which is freedom of speech. It is when these ppl act on their mistaken belief. But never forget talk is just that, talk, but actions against it, WILL buy you a nice piece of dirt in the land of stone monuments. I'm sure that all vets feel this way too.
I have heard the rhetoric that says you can't ware that patch or rocker without permission. Look I get it, I'm not going to put on a 1% club patch or any patch I didn't earn but if me and some buddies want to form a club and have a patch or I just want to say I'm from Tennessee with a rocker that's tough shit if you don't like it. You try and take it off of me and you are going to be missing teeth. I also am proud of the 2nd amendment so take that for what it's worth. Thanks Fingers you are 100% correct.
I agree in theory, but keep in mind you aren’t the only tough guy with a gun. Matter of fact, when you choose to carry a gun you should do your best to de escalate and prevent confrontations or you may find yourself in a bad situation.
You will die with that attitude. Playing the hard guy when a 1%er tells you that you can't do this or that will end up with you beaten up or dead, especially if you pull a gun.
I have 2 blood brothers. Then I have 6 brothers who are friends I’ve known since we were in Grade 4 and I trust those guys with my life. I’ve never been in a Club or the Military.
You're NOT my brother because you ride a motorcycle I hate when strangers call me that because they ride you're my brother if I know you and respect you not because of a motorcycle....
@@FingersFew we are like minded for sure . I didn't want to say the patch didn't want to overstep because I never went club but yeah I agree on that also . That to me is forced brotherhood when you go club . Too bad we didn't live close I would ride with you any day ! Stay safe my friend......
I agree with you on most everything you have to say. Brotherhood is a tough subject I've been left by the side of the road by guys that used the term brotherhood pretty loosely. However I've been shown true brotherhood by a very few that have taken me by surprised. These "very few" have renewed my faith in the term. Talk is cheap but action when the chips are down are what speaks the truth. A true brother will show up when you least expect it.
As an independent I’ll probably never join a club because I know too many people that have where it didn’t end well due to politics. Brotherhood is everything till things like money and power come into play.
The problem you have fingers, is that you never have had a real insight in 1% MCs. You don't know what it's like to be targeted over and over for stuff you never did or get twice the sentence than normal when you actually end up in court. You have never been observed or followed by police all day and then charged for some minor bs like starting to quickly at the green light just because you aren't the cocaine kingpin the want you to be and get frustrated over it. You don't know what you are talking about. Of course you have had an insight on what club life looks like and the problems they deal with, but you have never been an actual member and therefore comments like "blaming it on everyone but themselves" are more than insulting. Your so called "badged brothers" are actively starting fire between clubs just to get them arrested or laws passed. Just as it happened in Germany, Denmark and Sweden.
I watch quite a few biker podcasts but today was the first time I've watched yours. I respect your opinion and I do agree the Constitution should protect everyone everywhere in this Country but like you said there are some people on the streets who could care less about it and play by a different set of rules. Some people won't stick up for themselves. They have every right to defend themselves if need be and the Constitution should then protect them if they have too.
If even motorcycle club members don't like riding motorcycles, then I guess I'll forget about ever riding lol! Also, I'm going to check out that David Spurgeon guy. Sounds like an awesome story!
One very important point you brought up in your talk is the word "dislike". It seems like in today's world the word "hate" has obliterated the word "disllke". As long as there is respect we're all allowed to "dislike" but a lot of "activists" today are defining "hate" & "dislike" as equal meaning.
Okay you say somebody does wrong kick him out of the club my question is how come this don't apply to law enforcement there's a lot and you know as well as I do a hell of a lot of cops that have broken the law and they're still employed and collecting paychecks and there's a lot of them that broke the law and it's been swept under the rug and you know it and everybody else knows it instead of infiltrating motorcycle clubs maybe you should have started with the one that you were with cuz there's cops that are breaking the law every damn day and getting away with it
Well, you're assuming a lot of what I know. I know I disagree with much of what you wrote but again, it's always someone else's fault. It's ok we cut a woman's head off because she hurt our feelings. The cops are mean. Get over it and man up.
@@FingersFew law enforcement is the biggest gang in the nation and they get away with all kinds of crap because they wear a badge and a gun and they got other guys that wear Badges and guns the back them up
Well like one mc member said, "they have there thing" we have our's" and thats it. Its funny when the cops have an MC when in reality they dont wont any MCs. So that to me is abit hypocritical. Its like its ok for us, because we have a badge, but not you, because you are outlaws. Im pretty sure these "cop" clubs have bad apples to, just like in the police force.
@@digitaldogs233 very well put I couldn't agree more but they will never admit it like you said there's bad apples in the police forces all across the country and a lot of them still have their jobs he'll have to stuff's not even getting reported
So much of what you say is crafted to sow discord with weak minded guys who are thinking of going the club way . Club guys aren’t stupid people, the ones I know won’t drink and drive and as you said security is also an issue if you’re in the wrong area. As to brotherhood no family is without fault .
Thanks for your good sense views on things. And yes, my true brothers and I stand whole heartedly with our vets in defence of our American constitution. God bless you Fingers. Keep fighting the good fight.
Fingers you are spot on again. I am very confident that most, not all but most clubs have no idea what true brotherhood is. You as a law enforcement member understand it. Myself as a Veteran understand it. There may be individuals who have grown up with close friends all their lives. They understand it. Bringing a bunch of adult males under one patch is piece meal brotherhood at best. Put 20 men who are strangers in a room and they probably won’t agree on more than 50% of any subject. That ain’t brotherhood. That’s a club. Be it motorcycles, rod and gun club, politics, or whatever else you can think of. Great content as usual. Ride Safe. 👍
Thank you! It's definitely not aimed at 100% all clubs. I have seen clubs and even chapters of larger clubs made up of people who have known each other for long periods of time. That's not the norm however. I'm just pointing out that the terms get tossed around like a bag of chips and some people buy into. Thanks for watching and commenting.
One of the clubs I rolled with had a by-law, it went something like this..."Your brother may not always be right, but he will always be your brother." That translates into, right or wrong, you have to defend your club brother. Thanks for watching William.
Being called brother should be earned not just a word thrown around like it is today. The only people I don’t mind calling me brother is the members in my MM people in my church and people in a different Organization I am involved with
The vest in the background is actually just a vest with a side rocker in orange, black and white (Harley Davidson colors). The rocker says “Fingers”. The main, bigger case I was involved in was with the Outlaws.
Love your content and perspective! I do wish more clubs would both mind their own business and just call the police if something starts. If the nasty folks knew that threatening the Local riding clubs for not paying homage would result in a 3am sheriffs office visit then the hold on the street would end. I will never understand why a club cares about another club unless someone is infringing on their trademark patches. Kiwanis doesn’t brawl with the Masons I don’t understand why MCs feel the need.
Hey fingers really appreciate your comments There real as they can get we all know when someone speaks the truth we also know hows full of crap. I pick who I like to befriend with honest conversations and being around it’s a two way street with lots of activity select your passion and seek out like minded friends you will both know if its real friendship when the shit hits the fan. to me doesn’t matter if you’re a biker or in the military or in law enforcement I have scruples so that’s me and how I roll.🕶
Good video. I agree 💯 people need to be accountable for their actions and the law should not be selectively enforced. The American public isn't stupid ... However certain groups want preferential treatment, or they want an excuse why their wrongdoing should be exempt from punishment. Look people screw up, in many cases due to lobbyist for private prisons, the court system etc the sentences are more severe than they should be, however there still needs to be punishment as a deterrent as well as personal responsibility. But let's face it when many of are elected officials are the true scum of society the rest of the population expects the same free pass and sadly children witness what politicians do and think it's okay behavior. It's a vicious cycle and until intelligence and decency make a comeback it's not going to change.
I was in a national club for eight years and I'll tell you that "brotherhood" is mostly a joke. It's all political at the table. Half of the guys on one side and half on the other. Always a power grab. they say they love you but they will stab you in the back in a second. You'll be lucky if you get out with a couple of true brothers. I wouldn't change a thing I loved it but I'm glad it's over.
I don't give a shit I ride alone I drink alone I don't run around trying to kiss motor cycle riders ass to impress them I want impress myself by minding my own business and offer a hand if need be.
They don’t want you to give up the constitution, just a little respect. I disagree with your views. I hope you treat your brothers in law enforcement better.
Pausing at 11:48 for comment. I was recently told by the president of the homeowner's association of the complex in which we live that because we rent we don't have the same rights as owners here, and also in so many words that he dictates the parameters of my first amendment rights. For now I won't say much more other than these power-trip, narcissistic Hitler types are out there. They think they're God almighty, and this situation I have will be squared, one way or another. That being said, I'll take links to free legal aid for tenants rights. I'm in south central PA. Buyer beware - Do NOT buy in an HOA, and whatever you do, DO NOT rent in an HOA. You're guaranteed to be treated as a second class citizen. HOA's are mini dictatorships and need to be abolished. Fingers thanks for the content. I've only scratched the surface of your channel. I find the "more cars" comment particularly interesting. My take in this is simple - Ride Or Die.
branwerks - sorry for the rough go with the housing. I've heard numerous nightmare stories about them before. I'm assuming there was some sort of contract and yes, finding a good attorney would be advised. Thanks for the kind words for the channel. I much appreciate the support.
The constitution debate has two sides, it’s your constitutional right to go to a black community and call everyone the n word, and it’ll be Their constitutional right to cave your head in. Actions have repercussions, stealing club colors, flying a patch you don’t earn has repercussions outside of the constitution. Sure it’s your right, but you’re rights aren’t gonna stop some one else from coming up and taking it in to their own hands and most people don’t wanna accept that
Do you still have contact with some of thoose members ,did you had to do some heartbreaking thing to one of your brother for your job,if yes did some of them forgiven you
I do still do have contact with a lot of people who were affected by several of my club infiltrations. I recently laughed to myself because I was looking through some of my Facebook friends list and noticed how many former 1%ers or even a few current 1%ers were on the list. Two were former chapter presidents and one a enforcer that was internationally renowned for his level of violence he would inflict for the club. As for forgiveness. None needed. Many have thanked me for helping them leave a lifestyle that was counter productive. I certainly don't feel the need to be forgiven and there are some that definitely believe that God forgives but they don't. I'm good with that. I never took the job to make friends. I didn't start this channel to make friends. We all choose a path in life. I have chosen mine and I'll live or die with the consequences. Thank you for watching and asking the question. Stay safe and stay healthy.
Just like everyone in tyour family does not get along, not everyone in the MC brotherhood gets along....I'M sure when you were in law enforcement, you didn't get along with or like everyone. AND for that matter, most Leo's don't think we have constitutional rights.
Well, I do agree that not everyone gets along, no matter the culture (or in this case sub culture). I strongly disagree the LEOs don't think anyone doesn't have rights. If that were true, arrest would easily multiple by 100%. There's cameras in everyone's pocket, light post and even door bells in America. This video isn't anti-biker. It's anti propaganda that some (gangs) want you to believe in order to control the bikers who bow down to them. Should the bikers in mass ever buck back, you would see a whole new world in the biker culture. Thank you for watching and commenting in respectful manner.
First time watched you're channel. The Term "brother" even in blood doesnt mean you have to like them, but you support them, because there you're blood. And if you choose that you're friendship with another is that tight, then its a brotherhood of men. And as we are human not everything or everyone is going to agree, or be the same as you. There's many Clubs who serve the good like B.A.C.A. to. Be nice if it was all cut and dry, but it isnt it seems for some. But thats an opinion from a none mc member.
Fingers, I got even more questions. Mate I hear what you say I do I struggle when you make generalizations that as you say use that big brush. Do you understand that your stance is one that if seen in those terms is one that is as much propaganda?I say this from my understanding, you say that one thing that pertains to the OMC's and that hey let them try and tell you what to wear. When in my eyes here you are standing on that side of the fence. ex Law enforcement. current I don't know and while you have your reasons for that choice that I can have an adversarial respect for. statements like that are hard to swallow when the Government is attempting to make it a crime for a OMC Mongols in fact under RICO to tell them what to wear or more to the point what not to wear? When as you should know it takes all sorts to make up a charter family/ . And while I am NOT a member of said club I don't speak out of skool as it's common knowledge that case. Thats just one thing but I am torn somewhat because I also agree with what you say about the current state of clubs esspecially here in Aus. However I am also not sure if you realised thatyou say that certain people shouldn't wear or prescribe to the Free ???? stuff. I guess I am different but recently I found myself supporting a friend and a man who'd been instrumemtal in aiding me in my recovery from substance addiction. A member of the club Vagos, A man who I know first hand to have helped many and who is also the first to admit he's had a past. He spent a few years in a federal penatentiary only to be Aquitted along wiht other members this year. Like I ponder over. I hear many things that honestly I agree with however. you do represent like a face of law enforcement that IMO is maybe not intentional. but deceptive? As we have been told and by the time youre my age you know the road to hell is paved with Good Intentions. I don't know what the solution is but I know this. I would rather stand for my morals values and beliefs with likeminded folk that to simply be seen to do so and I too would go out with a bang take a few with me if it came to be. I also know that I'd be condemned pubilically and like I'd care but I am trying to ask do you feel you are blurring a message here in what you say and what you represent allbeit on the surface??? MR mate. I dig the balls...
Stixx - It's like this, I don't believe that because a person is in a club or wears a patch that makes a person bad, good, cool or uncool. There's a lot of different people in clubs just like there's plenty of different people in law enforcement. I've seen many undercover cops simple want the position in undercover squads because it holds a certain amount of respect. As I use to ask some of the younger guys, "do you want to be an undercover or play undercover?" I also seen it inside the clubs. They didn't give two shits about motorcycling, brotherhood or anything connected until it benefitted them. It was simply a status symbol. I don't think I'm blurring any message. In fact, I think I'm making it VERY clear, if you're in a club fine with me. If you're a criminal that's fine too but don't cry when you lose at the game. As in war, there's no rules. Too many people want to say "he's in a club and that's why the gov is picking on him. I say bullshit for the most part. You bring up the Mongols case. What everyone seems to either forget or deny is the part where the copy right owner of the club gave the copy right over to the feds as part of a plea deal. Was it wrong for the agents and the attorney to do that? Not in my opinion. It's thinking outside the box. If it was truly about going after club patches I can promise you there's a different club that would have been a smarter move to go after to set case law. I'm sorry it's taken me so long to respond. I've been on the road and haven't had much time to address the channel. Hope things are good over there. Stay safe, stay healthy.
Hey fingers how can you trust a stranger from the beginning if you don’t know the person haven’t been in a situation where a brotherhood would be needed meaning just saying brother or bro don’t have the same meaning if you didn’t share a situation were you needed to get out of and somebody came to the rescue or a few people came to the rescue then I would change my opinion may call them brother if they save my ass for some reason or in return save their ass for some reason you know where I’m going with this just to say hey brother or a bro there’s no real respect there it has to be earned before you can really mean brother or calling someone bro after getting respect or giving respect two way Street, from a viewer of yours I don’t know you well enough to call you brother sorry to say but we don’t know each other well enough right try to keep it respectful OK fingers get you on the flipside.🕶
I can never trusy anyone like you. I am not a biker just an old fsrmer but the real 1% er clubs are well liked by us. They may be a bit aloof but I do not get my back up around them. I work cattle and you must be aware of danger and feel it or the farm will kill you. I once encounted a few of the lemc folks and my danger feel went through the roof. I always say howdy and visit with 1%ers when encounter them even the clubs that you alberts say are bad on the other hand I avoid alberts with all I have. Alberts can not be trusted as a rule. Albert = leo
just so ya aII know (those wo are noobs I mean) PIease don't buy patches .. even on eBay especiaIIy existing cIub patches - They seII you those so they can catch you wearing them and whoop ass!! even that Ione WoIf crap maybe ok at your sisters wedding but not in a bar - bikker o oterwise - just be smart about what you stitch on and where you stitch it (don't be "that guy")
I like your videos but these are supposed to be outlaws so they should have a mindset that what they are doing is ok Becuase they don't live by society's laws so breaking the law in most instances isn't considered bad and they support them.I mean I would support one of my brother in jail in most instances I been to jail hundreds of times in my youth but in my older age it would depend what they did like selling meth or heroin I would not agree with but other things well that's part of being a outlaw.Government doesn't know best and I find most laws unconstitutional so I live by what I believe is right not the law but of course I learned to play the game in my older age lol anyways not even supposed to like your shi t Becuase your a cop but the club scene so fucked up and your right about the fake brotherhood shit and propaganda that's why I stay as far away from the dominates as I can never know who your drinking a beer with now and they handing out rico acts like skittles.
It's the romantic idea of belonging that gets so many wondering. I'm not sure if I could a whole video on the chomo subject. There was one in the club I was rolling with during my infiltration. He was known within the club and eventually arrested for his crimes against children. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Interesting video I enjoyed it however not sure if I understand the bit about the constitution applying to people in back ally's. If I'm walking down an ally in the middle of the night to get home and two guys jump me with knives and demand my money I'm not going to stand there and explain what they are doing is against the constitution because I'm damn sure they're not going to say good point and then walk off. These people have no self respect let alone any respect for the constitution so I'm sure this is the message or argument that certain people put forward when they say there is no constitution in the back streets. We all know that good people stand up and believe in the constitution absolutely no argument there but a drug addict with a knife or a crazy biker with a gun or a rapist do you honestly think the give a damn about rules of any kind. No they don't and that's why we have a prison service. But as sure as day follows night there are people out there and gangs that have no regard for the constitution.
The point I'm trying to make is that some motorcycle clubs want you to believe that MC protocol outweighs your constitutional rights and that violating biker protocol is a higher standard due to it's rule of the streets. I understand that on the streets rules, laws don't apply to criminals. Thus the title of the video. Some clubs would rather have you believe the propaganda and give up your rights as to stand up for them. If everyone would use their 2nd admed. right or use law enforcement's powers you would see a steep decline in "biker protocol" ,"street rules" or "law of the jungle" that criminals try to get you to just accept. There are support clubs out there that pay money to dominate, bigger clubs just to exist. They (the smaller clubs) have bought into the propaganda.
Motorcycle Club...Motorcycle Riding...Motorcycle...Motorcycle? Why do Americans, insist on saying Motorcycle, all the time, rather than just the word Bike? It's the same with Cars, too...Automobile this, Automobile that. Why? It's so old fashioned! You/we, know what a Bike, or a Car, is, so there's NO need to go over the top! I like your vid's, though, Fingers! :o)
I simply do that because of the way RUclips and other search engines receive the words. If I use "bike" over Motorcycle it's likely to end up in front of people who are more interested in Huffys than Harleys. I did use "biker" in this title though.
Here's what I know. This is the guy who Thanked that Desert Rat for his service to this country. A guy who got an Other Then Honorable Discharge (I'd be hiding under a rock if people knew I was a scumbag who was throw out of the military like that). How dare you both talk about our men and women in uniform that. On the other hand here is a guy that does not know who he is supporting. You're an ex cop and sure you have your connections still. LOOK UP HIS CRIMINAL RECORD and then tell us all how much you respect and thank him for his service. I loved watching your videos until I heard that out of you. What is the matter with you anyways? You're giving advice to people that will get them hurt. The motorcycle club scene is NOT a safe place or for the weak hearted. Here's a question for you. Would you go out and see the old club you infiltrated? No, because you know the constitution wouldn't help you in that situation and if you say it did you would be lying. You made yourself look bad by giving that dude the time of day and disrespected everyone of us that served. Marine 1st Recon Bn 1st Marine Division if you want to throw out there about serving this country
Doc - No I don't do background checks on people anymore. I'm retired. I treat people the way I want to be treated. My advice is that which is honest. I have never lived my life acting as a victim. I don't teach people to act as a victim as well. You're right, the club scene isn't for the weak. If you or anyone else prefers to kiss ass to save yourself from a beat down, then that's your choice. As for the clubs I infiltrated, yes i see members from those clubs all the time. Doc I don't hide. In fact I'm easy to find. Yes, I know I hurt some feelings by speaking out on here. So much, I was contacted by the feds that stated I'm pissing some club members off and I should be aware. I still go to bike shows, rallies and other type of bike events. Do I go to their parties and support them? No. As for me looking bad by subjecting myself to an interview please understand this, I respect Mr. Jines' truthfulness, his way of living. Yet, it's not for me. Yes I'm a huge supporter of our military. In fact the money this channel makes (it's not much) is donated to veteran causes. I put my money where my mouth is, have put in trigger time and will continue stating the truth. If that offends you, I can only suggest you go watch channels that tell you what you want to hear.
Cut the guy some slack, he had no way of knowing about the dude. It's left to people who know those guys with an OTH/BCD to treat OTH shitbags like the trash they are if we know and encounter them. His options were be disrespectful to someone on the slight off chance that he could be right, or most likely look like an asshole if the high odds of him being wrong came to be. Or he could just be respectful and maybe give undue respect, he erred on the side of not looking like a dick since he didn't know the exact situation.
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I’ve been prospecting with a local chapter of a worldwide club for the last few months. It’s like pulling teeth to get everyone to go on a ride together. “Brotherhood” is just one of those loosely used words these days.
If you’re not riding what are ya doing? I just got my first bike at 52 and it’s a dual sport so I’m trying to ride daily. Just assumed MC’s rode a bunch
Steve Felt that’s awesome! I will have another dual sport one day. Personally, I ride everywhere, even to the grocery store. Not everyone is that way in a club. I have learned that there are still fair weather riders within. It’s just a look and a status to some. I’m hoping our new bylaws will take care of some of this. If you’re in an MC, no one should have to twist your arm to get you to come ride. Ride safe!
The us Constitution has no limits or boundaries. It is in effect everywhere
Everywhere in America
Yes you are right . I meant everwhere in America lol.
I have been in the club world for over 20+ yrs I have taken part in defense fundraisers when I believe in the person who is being accused of something but no yet proven. I don't base it on club I base it on the person. The brotherhood in my club is a beautiful thing but I can only speak of my club. I have seen a lot of propaganda among the law enforcement community towards the biker community a good example is the Twin Peaks shooting, and the out come cases dropped but if you had listened to law enforcement & Waco's DA it was all the clubs fault, Interesting how you didn't hear much on the undercover cop that was in the club that showed up to a event they where never apart of. There where a lot of innocent folks but to listen to the Cops & DA everyone was guilty. So when it comes to Propaganda it's out there not just with clubs but law enforcement to... Just my .02
John O - I have criticized law enforcement's handling in Waco. However, I do not believe they created the problem but did not stop the problem they knew existed. That was compounded by the prosecution trying to stuff shit back into the horse.
Please don't assume I'm saying this is a one size fits all either. I know there clubs out there that are in for the right reasons. If you have found such a club for 20 plus years, that's great. The content I post is from my experiences, and things I've seen first hand.
Thanks for watching and commenting.
Found your channel recently Sir, Love watching every upload, and your insight is invaluable.. Thank you for your contribution to the Biker world.! Greetings from Dorset, England..
Moonfleet - thank you for the kind words and support of the channel. It's humbling to have people supporting the channel from across the pond. Thank you.
@@FingersFew I totally agree on the points you make here, Brotherhood i hard earned in any walk of life, be it Military or other fraternity, not inherited by right of association, i consider it the highest honour to be called 'Brother'. it is the greatest achievement to attain that status in another mans heart.
Don’t you have a Busa to build Sir Del? Lol nice to see you are one of us when you turn the genius off.
@@getoffmygrass6974 Hey Sully.. i always make time to watch Fingers, wisdom from a wisely sage..!
@@Moonfleet41 agreed
True Patriots sure separates the cream from the crop as we well can see since your video 2 years ago. There are those that walk the talk and then , let’s say Rinos for a lack of better term. Can people ( brothers ) just stand on truth anymore? I never thought, in my 60 + years, that I’d ever see an attack on free speech like today. Fight For Your Rights! -- BROTHER! Thank you for your candidness and genuine concern.
What the Constitution comment is inferring is your 1st Amendment rights don't mean squat when you are given the
choice to take a "cut" off or take a beating and have it taken. It happens. THAT is the real world. BTW, I'm ex-Navy
and swore an oath to that very same document. Even still, I try to practice common sense.
First, thank you for your service. I understand that people's rights don't mean squat in face of someone who doesn't care about other people's rights. That's one of of my points in the video. The Brits didn't care what rights we wanted so we shot them. I feel the same for anyone who tries to trample on my rights. Yes, there are those not willing to stand up for themselves. That's why we have cops or on a larger scale, a military. I''ve always said ""you have the right to protest, I reserve my right to counter protest." Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@FingersFew its nothing to do with the constitution, what private individuals do is between them and the gov have no say.
I have no problem with 'don't wear that shit in my bar/our event' I do have issues with take it off or get a beating.
Defend yourself.
If you can’t then contact the police and a lawyer.
Use your cell phone to audio and videotape the person who is committing a crime against you
Good video. I agree with you that honesty should prevail. I am one of the few people in my club that seems to actually ride year round. Most of the guys keep their bikes in garages and don’t let them get dirty it seems to me. I get grief from people because my bike hasn’t been washed or that I ride in the rain. I only have a bike. Some people just need to get a life and leave people alone.
I have served for 22 yrs as a US Army Ranger, and your right it does piss me off that someone would think and say this BS! And this also has another side to the coin (so to speak), which is freedom of speech. It is when these ppl act on their mistaken belief. But never forget talk is just that, talk, but actions against it, WILL buy you a nice piece of dirt in the land of stone monuments. I'm sure that all vets feel this way too.
Valdr - Thank you for your service. 75th?
Yes
I have heard the rhetoric that says you can't ware that patch or rocker without permission. Look I get it, I'm not going to put on a 1% club patch or any patch I didn't earn but if me and some buddies want to form a club and have a patch or I just want to say I'm from Tennessee with a rocker that's tough shit if you don't like it. You try and take it off of me and you are going to be missing teeth. I also am proud of the 2nd amendment so take that for what it's worth. Thanks Fingers you are 100% correct.
I agree in theory, but keep in mind you aren’t the only tough guy with a gun. Matter of fact, when you choose to carry a gun you should do your best to de escalate and prevent confrontations or you may find yourself in a bad situation.
You will die with that attitude. Playing the hard guy when a 1%er tells you that you can't do this or that will end up with you beaten up or dead, especially if you pull a gun.
I have 2 blood brothers. Then I have 6 brothers who are friends I’ve known since we were in Grade 4 and I trust those guys with my life. I’ve never been in a Club or the Military.
Now that sounds like a honest assessment. Thanks for your feedback.
You're NOT my brother because you ride a motorcycle I hate when strangers call me that because they ride you're my brother if I know you and respect you not because of a motorcycle....
Once again Hardtail, you''re on point. It takes more than a motorcycle, same patch, job... to make me a brother. Thanks for tuning in as always.
@@FingersFew we are like minded for sure . I didn't want to say the patch didn't want to overstep because I never went club but yeah I agree on that also . That to me is forced brotherhood when you go club . Too bad we didn't live close I would ride with you any day ! Stay safe my friend......
@@hardtailsuicidaljockey6827 I get around. I'll buy when I'm close.
Amen
@@alexcantlow740 ???????? Lmao 🤣
Excellent insight on the 1% scene.
I agree with you on most everything you have to say. Brotherhood is a tough subject I've been left by the side of the road by guys that used the term brotherhood pretty loosely. However I've been shown true brotherhood by a very few that have taken me by surprised. These "very few" have renewed my faith in the term. Talk is cheap but action when the chips are down are what speaks the truth. A true brother will show up when you least expect it.
I'm closer to some of my Biker brothers than my blood brothers. Enjoyed the video.
As an independent I’ll probably never join a club because I know too many people that have where it didn’t end well due to politics. Brotherhood is everything till things like money and power come into play.
The US Constitution is between you and the government, not you and other private individuals or entities.
The problem you have fingers, is that you never have had a real insight in 1% MCs. You don't know what it's like to be targeted over and over for stuff you never did or get twice the sentence than normal when you actually end up in court. You have never been observed or followed by police all day and then charged for some minor bs like starting to quickly at the green light just because you aren't the cocaine kingpin the want you to be and get frustrated over it.
You don't know what you are talking about. Of course you have had an insight on what club life looks like and the problems they deal with, but you have never been an actual member and therefore comments like "blaming it on everyone but themselves" are more than insulting. Your so called "badged brothers" are actively starting fire between clubs just to get them arrested or laws passed. Just as it happened in Germany, Denmark and Sweden.
I watch quite a few biker podcasts but today was the first time I've watched yours. I respect your opinion and I do agree the Constitution should protect everyone everywhere in this Country but like you said there are some people on the streets who could care less about it and play by a different set of rules. Some people won't stick up for themselves. They have every right to defend themselves if need be and the Constitution should then protect them if they have too.
Yep, absolutely agree. Thank you for watching and commenting.
If even motorcycle club members don't like riding motorcycles, then I guess I'll forget about ever riding lol! Also, I'm going to check out that David Spurgeon guy. Sounds like an awesome story!
One very important point you brought up in your talk is the word "dislike". It seems like in today's world the word "hate" has obliterated the word "disllke". As long as there is respect we're all allowed to "dislike" but a lot of "activists" today are defining "hate" & "dislike" as equal meaning.
We’ll done Brother, I’m winding down my last 11 months before i hit the road with the drifters
Like your Vest hanging behind on your left side, Not an issue with the side rocker patch (Fingers)
Riding a motorcycle is about riding a motorcycle. Your living in a fantasy world
Okay you say somebody does wrong kick him out of the club my question is how come this don't apply to law enforcement there's a lot and you know as well as I do a hell of a lot of cops that have broken the law and they're still employed and collecting paychecks and there's a lot of them that broke the law and it's been swept under the rug and you know it and everybody else knows it instead of infiltrating motorcycle clubs maybe you should have started with the one that you were with cuz there's cops that are breaking the law every damn day and getting away with it
Well, you're assuming a lot of what I know. I know I disagree with much of what you wrote but again, it's always someone else's fault. It's ok we cut a woman's head off because she hurt our feelings. The cops are mean. Get over it and man up.
@@FingersFew law enforcement is the biggest gang in the nation and they get away with all kinds of crap because they wear a badge and a gun and they got other guys that wear Badges and guns the back them up
Fact is the blue line is the largest.most dangerous gang hiding behind so called law.They are the lawless.
Well like one mc member said, "they have there thing" we have our's" and thats it. Its funny when the cops have an MC when in reality they dont wont any MCs. So that to me is abit hypocritical. Its like its ok for us, because we have a badge, but not you, because you are outlaws. Im pretty sure these "cop" clubs have bad apples to, just like in the police force.
@@digitaldogs233 very well put I couldn't agree more but they will never admit it like you said there's bad apples in the police forces all across the country and a lot of them still have their jobs he'll have to stuff's not even getting reported
Right on man! Gonna be 70 in June a things just aren’t the same. Wouldn’t go back though. I’m proud of my life . Keep it up.
That's the plan! Thanks for watching and commenting.
So much of what you say is crafted to sow discord with weak minded guys who are thinking of going the club way . Club guys aren’t stupid people, the ones I know won’t drink and drive and as you said security is also an issue if you’re in the wrong area. As to brotherhood no family is without fault .
Thanks for your good sense views on things. And yes, my true brothers and I stand whole heartedly with our vets in defence of our American constitution. God bless you Fingers. Keep fighting the good fight.
Fingers you are spot on again. I am very confident that most, not all but most clubs have no idea what true brotherhood is. You as a law enforcement member understand it. Myself as a Veteran understand it. There may be individuals who have grown up with close friends all their lives. They understand it. Bringing a bunch of adult males under one patch is piece meal brotherhood at best. Put 20 men who are strangers in a room and they probably won’t agree on more than 50% of any subject. That ain’t brotherhood. That’s a club. Be it motorcycles, rod and gun club, politics, or whatever else you can think of. Great content as usual. Ride Safe. 👍
Thank you! It's definitely not aimed at 100% all clubs. I have seen clubs and even chapters of larger clubs made up of people who have known each other for long periods of time. That's not the norm however. I'm just pointing out that the terms get tossed around like a bag of chips and some people buy into. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Bikers are Nice men 👍🏻 i don t ride bike but i ride scooter stil respect 4 bikers
Part of brother hood is policeing your own. Just because there your brother doesn't mean you can't tell them when there fucked up.
One of the clubs I rolled with had a by-law, it went something like this..."Your brother may not always be right, but he will always be your brother." That translates into, right or wrong, you have to defend your club brother.
Thanks for watching William.
Your saying your a cop and you would shot someone over a verbal altercation? Do you think your demonized?
Being called brother should be earned not just a word thrown around like it is today. The only people I don’t mind calling me brother is the members in my MM people in my church and people in a different Organization I am involved with
Putting on a patch doesn't stop people from being human .
Nope, it sure doesn't.
I see to the Jacket the Red and White rocker what club were you with
The vest in the background is actually just a vest with a side rocker in orange, black and white (Harley Davidson colors). The rocker says “Fingers”.
The main, bigger case I was involved in was with the Outlaws.
Love your content and perspective! I do wish more clubs would both mind their own business and just call the police if something starts. If the nasty folks knew that threatening the Local riding clubs for not paying homage would result in a 3am sheriffs office visit then the hold on the street would end. I will never understand why a club cares about another club unless someone is infringing on their trademark patches. Kiwanis doesn’t brawl with the Masons I don’t understand why MCs feel the need.
Hey fingers really appreciate your comments There real as they can get we all know when someone speaks the truth we also know hows full of crap. I pick who I like to befriend with honest conversations and being around it’s a two way street with lots of activity select your passion and seek out like minded friends you will both know if its real friendship when the shit hits the fan. to me doesn’t matter if you’re a biker or in the military or in law enforcement I have scruples so that’s me and how I roll.🕶
That is truth right there. Thanks for the support.
"Revolution Wake up and Fight" Is Something that Lenin Would Say ?
Good video. I agree 💯 people need to be accountable for their actions and the law should not be selectively enforced. The American public isn't stupid ... However certain groups want preferential treatment, or they want an excuse why their wrongdoing should be exempt from punishment. Look people screw up, in many cases due to lobbyist for private prisons, the court system etc the sentences are more severe than they should be, however there still needs to be punishment as a deterrent as well as personal responsibility. But let's face it when many of are elected officials are the true scum of society the rest of the population expects the same free pass and sadly children witness what politicians do and think it's okay behavior. It's a vicious cycle and until intelligence and decency make a comeback it's not going to change.
I was in a national club for eight years and I'll tell you that "brotherhood" is mostly a joke. It's all political at the table. Half of the guys on one side and half on the other. Always a power grab. they say they love you but they will stab you in the back in a second. You'll be lucky if you get out with a couple of true brothers. I wouldn't change a thing I loved it but I'm glad it's over.
Sounds like some experience talking. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I don't give a shit I ride alone I drink alone I don't run around trying to kiss motor cycle riders ass to impress them I want impress myself by minding my own business and offer a hand if need be.
Great attitude. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Do you believe in ousting your own in Law Enforcement? I still see the "let's just handle it off the books so it doesn't get to the public".
Yes. Yes I do.
I ride when I want I go where I want I wear whatever I want & to all rubber down my friends and be safe & just grow the fuck up & enjoy the ride
David was an OUTLAW BIKER ? He sounds and looks like a fruit and vegetable salesmen.
Another very interesting video
Thanks fingers
Thank you Chris! Stay safe.
They don’t want you to give up the constitution, just a little respect. I disagree with your views. I hope you treat your brothers in law enforcement better.
Well, I appreciate your opinion and we can agree to disagree.
Pausing at 11:48 for comment. I was recently told by the president of the homeowner's association of the complex in which we live that because we rent we don't have the same rights as owners here, and also in so many words that he dictates the parameters of my first amendment rights. For now I won't say much more other than these power-trip, narcissistic Hitler types are out there. They think they're God almighty, and this situation I have will be squared, one way or another. That being said, I'll take links to free legal aid for tenants rights. I'm in south central PA. Buyer beware - Do NOT buy in an HOA, and whatever you do, DO NOT rent in an HOA. You're guaranteed to be treated as a second class citizen. HOA's are mini dictatorships and need to be abolished.
Fingers thanks for the content. I've only scratched the surface of your channel. I find the "more cars" comment particularly interesting. My take in this is simple - Ride Or Die.
branwerks - sorry for the rough go with the housing. I've heard numerous nightmare stories about them before. I'm assuming there was some sort of contract and yes, finding a good attorney would be advised.
Thanks for the kind words for the channel. I much appreciate the support.
There are no clubs anymore, all the brothers are all in jail and the free club members are all undercover narcs LOL
All? C'mon man, there's gottta be a couple left who aren't five 0. lol. Thanks for watching and commenting.
The constitution debate has two sides, it’s your constitutional right to go to a black community and call everyone the n word, and it’ll be Their constitutional right to cave your head in. Actions have repercussions, stealing club colors, flying a patch you don’t earn has repercussions outside of the constitution. Sure it’s your right, but you’re rights aren’t gonna stop some one else from coming up and taking it in to their own hands and most people don’t wanna accept that
That's why we have anti assault and battery laws, for when someone gets the head caved in.
Do you still have contact with some of thoose members ,did you had to do some heartbreaking thing to one of your brother for your job,if yes did some of them forgiven you
I do still do have contact with a lot of people who were affected by several of my club infiltrations. I recently laughed to myself because I was looking through some of my Facebook friends list and noticed how many former 1%ers or even a few current 1%ers were on the list. Two were former chapter presidents and one a enforcer that was internationally renowned for his level of violence he would inflict for the club.
As for forgiveness. None needed. Many have thanked me for helping them leave a lifestyle that was counter productive. I certainly don't feel the need to be forgiven and there are some that definitely believe that God forgives but they don't. I'm good with that. I never took the job to make friends. I didn't start this channel to make friends. We all choose a path in life. I have chosen mine and I'll live or die with the consequences.
Thank you for watching and asking the question. Stay safe and stay healthy.
Once again you hit center mass.
Just like everyone in tyour family does not get along, not everyone in the MC brotherhood gets along....I'M sure when you were in law enforcement, you didn't get along with or like everyone. AND for that matter, most Leo's don't think we have constitutional rights.
Well, I do agree that not everyone gets along, no matter the culture (or in this case sub culture).
I strongly disagree the LEOs don't think anyone doesn't have rights. If that were true, arrest would easily multiple by 100%. There's cameras in everyone's pocket, light post and even door bells in America. This video isn't anti-biker. It's anti propaganda that some (gangs) want you to believe in order to control the bikers who bow down to them. Should the bikers in mass ever buck back, you would see a whole new world in the biker culture. Thank you for watching and commenting in respectful manner.
First time watched you're channel. The Term "brother" even in blood doesnt mean you have to like them, but you support them, because there you're blood. And if you choose that you're friendship with another is that tight, then its a brotherhood of men. And as we are human not everything or everyone is going to agree, or be the same as you. There's many Clubs who serve the good like B.A.C.A. to. Be nice if it was all cut and dry, but it isnt it seems for some. But thats an opinion from a none mc member.
Inquisitor - You bring up some great points, thank you. Thanks for watching and commenting.
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Of course the US constitution has boundaries. It doesn't apply outside of the USA.
I'm enjoying these videos Mr. Fingers.
Thanks JB
Fingers, I got even more questions. Mate I hear what you say I do I struggle when you make generalizations that as you say use that big brush.
Do you understand that your stance is one that if seen in those terms is one that is as much propaganda?I say this from my understanding, you say that one thing that pertains to the OMC's and that hey let them try and tell you what to wear. When in my eyes here you are standing on that side of the fence. ex Law enforcement. current I don't know and while you have your reasons for that choice that I can have an adversarial respect for. statements like that are hard to swallow when the Government is attempting to make it a crime for a OMC Mongols in fact under RICO to tell them what to wear or more to the point what not to wear? When as you should know it takes all sorts to make up a charter family/ . And while I am NOT a member of said club I don't speak out of skool as it's common knowledge that case.
Thats just one thing but I am torn somewhat because I also agree with what you say about the current state of clubs esspecially here in Aus.
However I am also not sure if you realised thatyou say that certain people shouldn't wear or prescribe to the Free ???? stuff. I guess I am different but recently I found myself supporting a friend and a man who'd been instrumemtal in aiding me in my recovery from substance addiction. A member of the club Vagos, A man who I know first hand to have helped many and who is also the first to admit he's had a past. He spent a few years in a federal penatentiary only to be Aquitted along wiht other members this year. Like I ponder over. I hear many things that honestly I agree with however. you do represent like a face of law enforcement that IMO is maybe not intentional. but deceptive?
As we have been told and by the time youre my age you know the road to hell is paved with Good Intentions.
I don't know what the solution is but I know this.
I would rather stand for my morals values and beliefs with likeminded folk that to simply be seen to do so and I too would go out with a bang take a few with me if it came to be.
I also know that I'd be condemned pubilically and like I'd care but I am trying to ask do you feel you are blurring a message here in what you say and what you represent allbeit on the surface???
MR mate. I dig the balls...
Stixx - It's like this, I don't believe that because a person is in a club or wears a patch that makes a person bad, good, cool or uncool. There's a lot of different people in clubs just like there's plenty of different people in law enforcement. I've seen many undercover cops simple want the position in undercover squads because it holds a certain amount of respect. As I use to ask some of the younger guys, "do you want to be an undercover or play undercover?" I also seen it inside the clubs. They didn't give two shits about motorcycling, brotherhood or anything connected until it benefitted them. It was simply a status symbol.
I don't think I'm blurring any message. In fact, I think I'm making it VERY clear, if you're in a club fine with me. If you're a criminal that's fine too but don't cry when you lose at the game. As in war, there's no rules. Too many people want to say "he's in a club and that's why the gov is picking on him. I say bullshit for the most part. You bring up the Mongols case. What everyone seems to either forget or deny is the part where the copy right owner of the club gave the copy right over to the feds as part of a plea deal. Was it wrong for the agents and the attorney to do that? Not in my opinion. It's thinking outside the box. If it was truly about going after club patches I can promise you there's a different club that would have been a smarter move to go after to set case law.
I'm sorry it's taken me so long to respond. I've been on the road and haven't had much time to address the channel. Hope things are good over there. Stay safe, stay healthy.
Hey fingers how can you trust a stranger from the beginning if you don’t know the person haven’t been in a situation where a brotherhood would be needed meaning just saying brother or bro don’t have the same meaning if you didn’t share a situation were you needed to get out of and somebody came to the rescue or a few people came to the rescue then I would change my opinion may call them brother if they save my ass for some reason or in return save their ass for some reason you know where I’m going with this just to say hey brother or a bro there’s no real respect there it has to be earned before you can really mean brother or calling someone bro after getting respect or giving respect two way Street, from a viewer of yours I don’t know you well enough to call you brother sorry to say but we don’t know each other well enough right try to keep it respectful OK fingers get you on the flipside.🕶
You sir, totally get this. Thanks for the watch and comment.
I can never trusy anyone like you. I am not a biker just an old fsrmer but the real 1% er clubs are well liked by us. They may be a bit aloof but I do not get my back up around them. I work cattle and you must be aware of danger and feel it or the farm will kill you. I once encounted a few of the lemc folks and my danger feel went through the roof. I always say howdy and visit with 1%ers when encounter them even the clubs that you alberts say are bad on the other hand I avoid alberts with all I have. Alberts can not be trusted as a rule. Albert = leo
Excellence, as usual! Really enjoy your content man!
Thank you! I seriously appreciate the support of the channel.
just so ya aII know (those wo are noobs I mean) PIease don't buy patches .. even on eBay especiaIIy existing cIub patches - They seII you those so they can catch you wearing them and whoop ass!!
even that Ione WoIf crap maybe ok at your sisters wedding but not in a bar - bikker o oterwise - just be smart about what you stitch on and where you stitch it (don't be "that guy")
i play rugby and we are supposed to have a brotherhood too, it works with most but not all
I like your videos but these are supposed to be outlaws so they should have a mindset that what they are doing is ok Becuase they don't live by society's laws so breaking the law in most instances isn't considered bad and they support them.I mean I would support one of my brother in jail in most instances I been to jail hundreds of times in my youth but in my older age it would depend what they did like selling meth or heroin I would not agree with but other things well that's part of being a outlaw.Government doesn't know best and I find most laws unconstitutional so I live by what I believe is right not the law but of course I learned to play the game in my older age lol anyways not even supposed to like your shi t Becuase your a cop but the club scene so fucked up and your right about the fake brotherhood shit and propaganda that's why I stay as far away from the dominates as I can never know who your drinking a beer with now and they handing out rico acts like skittles.
if you don't mind me asking how did you get the name fingers....thanks
Thank you
There is a lust from the outside about about joining . Love your Chanel . Can you make a video about if you had a pedophile in a group or suspected ?
It's the romantic idea of belonging that gets so many wondering. I'm not sure if I could a whole video on the chomo subject. There was one in the club I was rolling with during my infiltration. He was known within the club and eventually arrested for his crimes against children. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Interesting video I enjoyed it however not sure if I understand the bit about the constitution applying to people in back ally's. If I'm walking down an ally in the middle of the night to get home and two guys jump me with knives and demand my money I'm not going to stand there and explain what they are doing is against the constitution because I'm damn sure they're not going to say good point and then walk off. These people have no self respect let alone any respect for the constitution so I'm sure this is the message or argument that certain people put forward when they say there is no constitution in the back streets. We all know that good people stand up and believe in the constitution absolutely no argument there but a drug addict with a knife or a crazy biker with a gun or a rapist do you honestly think the give a damn about rules of any kind. No they don't and that's why we have a prison service. But as sure as day follows night there are people out there and gangs that have no regard for the constitution.
The point I'm trying to make is that some motorcycle clubs want you to believe that MC protocol outweighs your constitutional rights and that violating biker protocol is a higher standard due to it's rule of the streets. I understand that on the streets rules, laws don't apply to criminals. Thus the title of the video. Some clubs would rather have you believe the propaganda and give up your rights as to stand up for them. If everyone would use their 2nd admed. right or use law enforcement's powers you would see a steep decline in "biker protocol" ,"street rules" or "law of the jungle" that criminals try to get you to just accept. There are support clubs out there that pay money to dominate, bigger clubs just to exist. They (the smaller clubs) have bought into the propaganda.
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Motorcycle Club...Motorcycle Riding...Motorcycle...Motorcycle? Why do Americans, insist on saying Motorcycle, all the time, rather than just the word Bike? It's the same with Cars, too...Automobile this, Automobile that. Why? It's so old fashioned! You/we, know what a Bike, or a Car, is, so there's NO need to go over the top! I like your vid's, though, Fingers! :o)
I simply do that because of the way RUclips and other search engines receive the words. If I use "bike" over Motorcycle it's likely to end up in front of people who are more interested in Huffys than Harleys. I did use "biker" in this title though.
@@FingersFew I had noticed that. :o)
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Unfortunately, none of the veterans of recent wars have done anything that supports the Constitution.
I say this with great restraint. Fuck you.
Here's what I know. This is the guy who Thanked that Desert Rat for his service to this country. A guy who got an Other Then Honorable Discharge (I'd be hiding under a rock if people knew I was a scumbag who was throw out of the military like that). How dare you both talk about our men and women in uniform that. On the other hand here is a guy that does not know who he is supporting. You're an ex cop and sure you have your connections still. LOOK UP HIS CRIMINAL RECORD and then tell us all how much you respect and thank him for his service. I loved watching your videos until I heard that out of you. What is the matter with you anyways? You're giving advice to people that will get them hurt. The motorcycle club scene is NOT a safe place or for the weak hearted. Here's a question for you. Would you go out and see the old club you infiltrated? No, because you know the constitution wouldn't help you in that situation and if you say it did you would be lying. You made yourself look bad by giving that dude the time of day and disrespected everyone of us that served. Marine 1st Recon Bn 1st Marine Division if you want to throw out there about serving this country
Doc - No I don't do background checks on people anymore. I'm retired. I treat people the way I want to be treated. My advice is that which is honest. I have never lived my life acting as a victim. I don't teach people to act as a victim as well. You're right, the club scene isn't for the weak. If you or anyone else prefers to kiss ass to save yourself from a beat down, then that's your choice. As for the clubs I infiltrated, yes i see members from those clubs all the time. Doc I don't hide. In fact I'm easy to find. Yes, I know I hurt some feelings by speaking out on here. So much, I was contacted by the feds that stated I'm pissing some club members off and I should be aware. I still go to bike shows, rallies and other type of bike events. Do I go to their parties and support them? No. As for me looking bad by subjecting myself to an interview please understand this, I respect Mr. Jines' truthfulness, his way of living. Yet, it's not for me. Yes I'm a huge supporter of our military. In fact the money this channel makes (it's not much) is donated to veteran causes. I put my money where my mouth is, have put in trigger time and will continue stating the truth. If that offends you, I can only suggest you go watch channels that tell you what you want to hear.
Cut the guy some slack, he had no way of knowing about the dude.
It's left to people who know those guys with an OTH/BCD to treat OTH shitbags like the trash they are if we know and encounter them.
His options were be disrespectful to someone on the slight off chance that he could be right, or most likely look like an asshole if the high odds of him being wrong came to be. Or he could just be respectful and maybe give undue respect, he erred on the side of not looking like a dick since he didn't know the exact situation.