Bro...either Ur dead or U shld keep on making videos...U were the best! Coming into the hobby your methods sure take out the guesswork!!! So either way hoping Ur doing ok out there somewhere nowadays! 😊
Nick Adams for President! “ Motor companies know more than him “🤣 NOT! This guy is the most Intelligent, No Bullshit, Factual, pressed and folded no starch kinda guy in the RC community end of story🙌 Your knowledge and videos are always top shelf and much appreciated 👍
Hi Travis, Thanks for those kind words. I do try, but there is a lot I don't know, and am always learning. Sometimes I do make mistakes, and some may have a different interpretation or conclusion, but I try and give the facts and details as I see them, so no wooll pulled over the eyes. All the best. Nick
I have tested hobbywing phases there set at 19 degrees two the same and one at 18. Lrp were terrible and reedy were close but out 1 degree between them. The lrp average out 21 degrees, the hobby wing 19 and the reedy 18 degrees. This effects the rpm and Kv output.
@@wasimiqbal3719 I run in the Xray T4. I was using the Surpass. My racer friends use R1 or Surpass. But R1 is not allowed now. So thje XFactor is better anyway.
I can't find where he talks about 17.5 motors for 1/10 competition buggies. The only thing I was able to make out was that RevTech X-Factor is the best?
Rc10 6.2 carpet. 13.5 motor what would you buy. From your videos I like Maclan v3 Trinity x factor Reedy s plus I simply cannot choose. Something else?
No price range, which esc/ motor combo Would you go with out of any Orion ,Tekin, Trinity etc. I’m not in a stock class or anything and I am mostly looking for programmability/speed
Nick, Great video as always. For the 13.5t Xfactor you mentioned it has high KV and revs. How should this be geared for a track similar to Newbury (48dp) - geared to rev (large spur, small pinion)?
Hi Ben. As the KV is similar to most other motors , then it can be geared the same or slightly smaller pinion.. But it will have better acceleration. So at Newbury, find out what they gear say the Surpass, and gear slightly smaller pinion to start with and check temperature etc.
Nick, I too want to thank you for your incredible videos. I am pretty new to the RC world and have much to learn and you have provided a wealth of knowledge. Question I have is, is true that I lose torque the higher the kv / rpm / timing I go? I believe I understand the “sweet spot” concept, but I run on a tight off-road track where torque is king. Thank you again for all you do and I, like many, look forward to your future videos.
Hi Michael. Thanks for your feedback. You do not lose torque as the timing is increased, but the amp draw will increase as the timing is increased, until it is too high and the motor will over heat and burn out. The gearing will help, but continuous accelerating out of corners will draw high amps every time, and the motor will heat up quickly. Therefore the advance timing and gearing is normally limited by the motor temperature. You should check the motor after a run. It should not be too hot to touch. Adjust as necessary. All the best and Race On. Nick
Hi Jack. The Xfactor was a regular one bought from a shop. There are special more expensive versions available, which should be better, but ones I have tested in the past have been no better than the regular ones.
I have both motor surpass v4s and x-factor 13.5 certified. The x-factor certified has more punch and speed compared to surpass v4s. Can't clear triple if Surpass V4S but the x-factor certified it's easy to clear fell like MOD motor.
Hi. The Surpass V4S has been replaced by the V5R which has a big increase in torque and KV. It is much closer to the xFactor. All the best with the jumping. Nick
Hi Nick, I have a general question regarding stators being too loose inside the motor housing. I see you do full strip downs a lot of motors you've tested so I assume that every stator inside the motor are meant to be disassembled, but I do come across some motors where the stators literally fall out of the case without any effort, the Team powers Actinium V3 motors especially. They create a tremendous amount of noise and rattle while on the motor tester and I've seen my friend's motor literally snap the aluminum screws holding the motor together because of the stator rotating inside the motor. Is this anything I should be worried about? Should I add a bit of glue to secure the stator inside the housing? Thanks
Hi. The loose stator is bad news, and will cause endless problems, as you have found out. It is a result of the manufacturers increasing the cooling holes which weakens the can which cannot grip the stator, especially with poor tolerances. They should be glued if they are loose. Super glue can work, but epoxy is better, but be careful not to make a mess of it. All the best. Nick
@@nickadams5411 thanks for the reply, I super glued the stator as that's what I have on hand and its always available. I'll just add a few drops again if its loose again
@@nickadams5411 hello I like the motor reviews just a quick question have you put the Trinity x factor in 17.5 wind or 13.5 wind on the motor Dyno thanks
I have one in my b74.1 with the purple ultra torque rotor and i can tell you i havent seen any motor faster than that.. i think maybe the new team powers actinium v4 can give it a run for its money. But thats it. I have seen many many brands but they do not add up.
Hi Wasim. Fade is caused by the rotor overheating. If you keep the motor below 70degC, it should be good for the whole race. There are good cooling vents. The 1600 rotor should not fade, but we will see in the competitions. The videos of my tests made the video too long, so I left them out. The 17.5T required 50degrees and the scale pointer was exactly on 50degrees , on 2 motors I tested. The 13.5t required 47degrees and the pointer was exactly on 47 . So the endbell markings are very accurate.
So why have the manufactures not been making stronger rotors ? There must be a draw back to having too strong of a rotor ? I know of the past 2/3 years Rotors have got stronger but trinity have now just blown everyone away with the x-factor.
Hi Nick, I noticed in an earlier test of the 13.5 Surpass V4S it achieved 4175 KV at 6 amps whereas on your current list you are showing 3879 KV. Rotor strength looked similar, have you noticed that the newer batches of V4S motors are not as good as the early ones?
Hi Chris , I did notice that. The first batch of Surpass were higher reving. But the latest do have stronger rotors overall. I cannot determine the exact reasons, but they could have used better core laminates. But I think it is down to the rotor strength. However although they have lower KV, they do have excellent torque, and still give top performance on the track. The gearing may be slightly larger pinion.
Thank you again for keeping us informed on the latest Motors Nick. Look forward to trying them. :)
Chapeau to you Mr Adams. Thank you for such and informative and thorough comparison.
Your the best in the business!!!
Thanks for all your work. Thankfully you take the time. So many racers have no idea of your work in amature racing. Too bad for them.
Your battery review of turnigy was fantastic. Now this.. your awesome
Bro...either Ur dead or U shld keep on making videos...U were the best! Coming into the hobby your methods sure take out the guesswork!!!
So either way hoping Ur doing ok out there somewhere nowadays! 😊
We sadly lost Nick a while ago, but his awesome videos live on ...
thx for testing Nick -missing the assambling part to look inside ... ;))
Hi Harald. I have done all the videos of the struip down and the tests, but it made it too long. I will put up that video for you soon.
Great review Nick. Thanks!
Nick Adams for President! “ Motor companies know more than him “🤣 NOT! This guy is the most Intelligent, No Bullshit, Factual, pressed and folded no starch kinda guy in the RC community end of story🙌 Your knowledge and videos are always top shelf and much appreciated 👍
Hi Travis, Thanks for those kind words. I do try, but there is a lot I don't know, and am always learning. Sometimes I do make mistakes, and some may have a different interpretation or conclusion, but I try and give the facts and details as I see them, so no wooll pulled over the eyes. All the best. Nick
Great review nick. Thanks for this video. Anyway quick question. In your personal preference, what would you pick the g3r or surpass v4s
Great review, Nick. Have you tested the Tekin Gen 4 yet?
I have tested hobbywing phases there set at 19 degrees two the same and one at 18. Lrp were terrible and reedy were close but out 1 degree between them. The lrp average out 21 degrees, the hobby wing 19 and the reedy 18 degrees. This effects the rpm and Kv output.
My trinity X Factor is amazing! More power and runs cooler than my other motors
Hi Mitch. Good information. race on. Nick
What car are you running the motor in? What did you have before?
@@wasimiqbal3719 I run in the Xray T4. I was using the Surpass. My racer friends use R1 or Surpass. But R1 is not allowed now. So thje XFactor is better anyway.
I run it in my team associated B6.1 FL. The motor I had before it was an R1
I have an xfactor 13.5 too in my xray t4, what speed do you achieve? What fdr you use? I use 4.1 fdr, 48 degrees timing and i have reached 49km/h
Thanks Nick.
So the optimal timing for the gr3 was 45 degrees?
Isn't that the default it comes set to?
I can't find where he talks about 17.5 motors for 1/10 competition buggies. The only thing I was able to make out was that RevTech X-Factor is the best?
Loved the review but how tight we’re the phases , we’re the phases set the same on each motor. It makes a load difference to your results
Where's the Team Scream shootout/comparison, we've been waiting for this for years!
Hi Dylan. If I can get them here in the UK, I will test and compare. Always looking for the best motors. Race on. Nick
team scream are great 1s motors but for 2s the revtech motors murder em ... this is my in car race observation
Rc10 6.2 carpet. 13.5 motor what would you buy.
From your videos I like
Maclan v3
Trinity x factor
Reedy s plus
I simply cannot choose.
Something else?
He passed away last year I think
No price range, which esc/ motor combo Would you go with out of any Orion ,Tekin, Trinity etc. I’m not in a stock class or anything and I am mostly looking for programmability/speed
What is the most common number of amps a motor should be tuned for for maximum performance? 6 amps??
Can you do a review on motors uses in drag racing turns
Nick, Great video as always.
For the 13.5t Xfactor you mentioned it has high KV and revs.
How should this be geared for a track similar to Newbury (48dp) - geared to rev (large spur, small pinion)?
Hi Ben. As the KV is similar to most other motors , then it can be geared the same or slightly smaller pinion.. But it will have better acceleration. So at Newbury, find out what they gear say the Surpass, and gear slightly smaller pinion to start with and check temperature etc.
Nick, I too want to thank you for your incredible videos. I am pretty new to the RC world and have much to learn and you have provided a wealth of knowledge. Question I have is, is true that I lose torque the higher the kv / rpm / timing I go? I believe I understand the “sweet spot” concept, but I run on a tight off-road track where torque is king. Thank you again for all you do and I, like many, look forward to your future videos.
Hi Michael. Thanks for your feedback. You do not lose torque as the timing is increased, but the amp draw will increase as the timing is increased, until it is too high and the motor will over heat and burn out. The gearing will help, but continuous accelerating out of corners will draw high amps every time, and the motor will heat up quickly. Therefore the advance timing and gearing is normally limited by the motor temperature. You should check the motor after a run. It should not be too hot to touch. Adjust as necessary. All the best and Race On. Nick
@@nickadams5411 The thing I'd like to understand... Which is the best of hw g3r and v4s rocket?
Thanks
hello Nick which motor would you prefer for speedruns? 100+ miles per hour
Was the Trinity X Factor a ROAR spec or Team Spec motor?
Hi Jack. The Xfactor was a regular one bought from a shop. There are special more expensive versions available, which should be better, but ones I have tested in the past have been no better than the regular ones.
Is the Trinity x factor team spec or race spec?
Nice job again with the reviews. Question about the trinity. Is it the ‘Team’ motor or the regular one?
Hi John. I tested the regular off the shelf ones. I believe the special ones you can buy for a lot more money, are even better.
Nick Adams thanks mate
I have both motor surpass v4s and x-factor 13.5 certified. The x-factor certified has more punch and speed compared to surpass v4s. Can't clear triple if Surpass V4S but the x-factor certified it's easy to clear fell like MOD motor.
Hi. The Surpass V4S has been replaced by the V5R which has a big increase in torque and KV. It is much closer to the xFactor. All the best with the jumping. Nick
Hi Nick, I have a general question regarding stators being too loose inside the motor housing. I see you do full strip downs a lot of motors you've tested so I assume that every stator inside the motor are meant to be disassembled, but I do come across some motors where the stators literally fall out of the case without any effort, the Team powers Actinium V3 motors especially. They create a tremendous amount of noise and rattle while on the motor tester and I've seen my friend's motor literally snap the aluminum screws holding the motor together because of the stator rotating inside the motor. Is this anything I should be worried about? Should I add a bit of glue to secure the stator inside the housing? Thanks
Hi. The loose stator is bad news, and will cause endless problems, as you have found out.
It is a result of the manufacturers increasing the cooling holes which weakens the can which cannot grip the stator, especially with poor tolerances. They should be glued if they are loose. Super glue can work, but epoxy is better, but be careful not to make a mess of it. All the best. Nick
@@nickadams5411 thanks for the reply, I super glued the stator as that's what I have on hand and its always available. I'll just add a few drops again if its loose again
@@nickadams5411 hello I like the motor reviews just a quick question have you put the Trinity x factor in 17.5 wind or 13.5 wind on the motor Dyno thanks
Has anyone tried the x-factor motor in 1/12? What timing are people running on the motor ?
Yes, in1/12th 1S it is really fast. I tune it the same as for 2S. The timing is 50 degrees for Blinky racing.
Looking at the spec sheets for GT12 and LMP nationals almost everyone is running the motors at 40-42* of timing.
The thing I'd like to understand... Which is the best of hw g3r and v4s rocket?
Thanks
Both motors have new versions now in 2020. But the Surpass would be my choice.. Nick
Nick, trust your well?? Have you done any work on the Muchmore fleta zx13.5 new rotors??
Nick has passed from what I've been told.
I have one in my b74.1 with the purple ultra torque rotor and i can tell you i havent seen any motor faster than that.. i think maybe the new team powers actinium v4 can give it a run for its money. But thats it. I have seen many many brands but they do not add up.
Hi, what were the can marking on the trinity motor to achieve 6a ?
Also with a such high gauss rotor, would the motor be more likely to fade?
Hi Wasim. Fade is caused by the rotor overheating. If you keep the motor below 70degC, it should be good for the whole race. There are good cooling vents. The 1600 rotor should not fade, but we will see in the competitions.
The videos of my tests made the video too long, so I left them out. The 17.5T required 50degrees and the scale pointer was exactly on 50degrees , on 2 motors I tested. The 13.5t required 47degrees and the pointer was exactly on 47 . So the endbell markings are very accurate.
So why have the manufactures not been making stronger rotors ? There must be a draw back to having too strong of a rotor ?
I know of the past 2/3 years Rotors have got stronger but trinity have now just blown everyone away with the x-factor.
@@wasimiqbal3719 Trinity (also the GM motor) always had a 1650gauss rotor (Red end). But the stator design was not good enough until now.
Hi Nick, I noticed in an earlier test of the 13.5 Surpass V4S it achieved 4175 KV at 6 amps whereas on your current list you are showing 3879 KV. Rotor strength looked similar, have you noticed that the newer batches of V4S motors are not as good as the early ones?
Hi Chris , I did notice that. The first batch of Surpass were higher reving. But the latest do have stronger rotors overall. I cannot determine the exact reasons, but they could have used better core laminates. But I think it is down to the rotor strength. However although they have lower KV, they do have excellent torque, and still give top performance on the track. The gearing may be slightly larger pinion.
any shoutout for 2020?:D
Not many new motors for 2020/21. Maybe later in the year.
@@nickadams5411 oki :) you find the xfactor feels like it has alot of drag if going off power ?
An interesting video, very informative, but sorry, spoiled by a really monotone dreary presentation.