That's NOT how you cut with a KATANA!?!
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The grip on the katana should be light and flexible. Thus you can perform many different cuts on it. Those talking about draw-cuts are probably thinking about cutting a paper with something sharp (knife, scissors etc.), but in reality nobody cuts paper in a fight.
Any chance of there being a t-shirt version?
I would expect that any sword should cut better when doing a draw cut. I wonder if the difference only shows in a very difficult to cut fabrics or something, because if the target is too easy there is no observable difference because both cuts are perfect. But on the other hand, I thaught tatami was supposed to simulate the hard to cut fabrics. It seems weird. By the experience with dull kitchen knives I would expect the draw cut to cut better, using any kind of sword. OOOR??? Maybe?? Does even the chop cut introduce a small draw? I wonder if we could see a difference when we rig the sword to a stationary harness and chop a tatami like that. .... Man It's weird, I do not believe that they are the same, there has to be something missing, even grass can draw cut skin, but I doubt it would chop cut, even if it would have the structural integrity to withstand the chop.
wait you don't sharpen your blades? oof
@@maxkore278 :-D I do sometimes but I am no good at it. So as long as it cuts, I specifically do not, because I would only damage the blade. After that, I do sharpen it, but not very well. And it gets the job done for a while again, so I do not bother to hone the skill nor do I invest into more expensive sharpeners. I also usually get lunch at workplace, so I don't actually use the knife that often either.
Ok look, I translate 1000 year old Classical Japanese literature and I've run into stories about warriors and non warriors using swords. They honestly weren't picky about how you used them so long as you got the job done. Until of course you hit the Edo period when the country was largely at peace and you could afford to be picky about the different ways you could cut inanimate objects.
Right when the Samurai became an inverse class with little to no income and being looked down upon for serving no purpose in which Dojos sprang up to devalop new combat styles and sword flourishing to wow and bedazzle the elite in hopes of being employed as one of their retainers.
its especially funny when you know that even they didnt give a damn about swords on the battlefield cause there are better weapons for that aka the Spear for an example.
@@haxkztasy Exactly. In the stories I read, they almost exclusively refer to a warrior's horse and bow skills when praising them as exceptional fighters. I believe spears became a huge thing during the Sengoku period when generals began fielding huge armies. But yeah, whether Heian or Sengoku, swords were a bit of an afterthought.
I've actually heard that calling a warrior a "swordsman" was more an insult than it was praise, since it implied they were crap at the yumi. I'm curious if you know if that's true?
@@ImminDragon while I could see that being a thing I haven't come across it. While horseback archery was practically synonymous with warriors for centuries they still seemed to respect a warrior who was skilled with a sword. Kinda like how a soldier today primarily focuses on the use of firearms but will still learn hand to hand combat and admire those who are really good at it. That seems to be the general feeling in these old stories. But, I wouldn't put it past the Japanese to come up with that kind of a backhanded compliment.
The only valid way to hit your opponent is successfully.
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I'll just never understand why these people think there's only one "correct" way to cut, as if during actual combat, your opponent is gonna stop you and say "Hold on, I'm not actually hurt, you didn't do a draw cut! Do it again!"
People often underestimate damage.
They don't realize what is essentially a moderate slap to the wrist with a blade can mean bye bye tendons for example.
@@1stCallipostleI've seen what a baseball bat can do to a hand...
I think it was skalgrim who did a test with ballistics gel and a sword... Let's just say it wasn't nice to look at afterwards.
I think the "correct way" comes from going into a iaido or kendo dojo once, doing the introduction training, never coming back and thinking they're now the foremost authority on how to cut, etc.
And don't get me wrong, some dojos really concentrate on cutting technique with the first timers at it's most fun to swing the sword (most of the time it will be a bokken, wooden sword) around and the sensei will try to convey some of the mentality while letting them essentially play around.
It's a way, other than surviving unharmed, to measure skill. That's all. The devolution of close combat skills boils down to a lack of regular use. This necessitates a way to measure and rank skill during peace.
That or you even look at the various schools of training for the katana. There is a massive variation of cuts available. But there's supposedly just 1, correct cut
People love to forget that at the end of the day, a sword is nothing but a sharp, pointy, metal stick.
Pointy end in the other guy
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And superior to nunchuku in every way, save only for concealment.
Shad has mentioned multiple times that the ancestor to the sword is the club. And the progression from club to sword.
@@Markbell73 you can still hide one i bet
Someone needs to tell these people a very simple and obvious rule. Medieval (And even modern) technology and techniques follow this almost universal rule. If it works, it works.
Thank you for all your hard work and perseverance Shad and Tyranth!
Someone keeps sending me flowers with the heads cut off.
I think I'm being stalked.
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If you have a sword. This is a good excuse to "practice" your swordsman ship
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Shad, you need to do a breathing technique in order to cut properly with a katana. Demon Slayer taught me that.
Never mock Total Concentration Constant!
I've been using it to improve my cycling technique for two and a half years now.
I even made a music Playlist called Cloud Breathing to help keep my Breathing and pedaling cadence in sink.
It begins with Muichiro Tokito's Theme.
Thanks to Kult of Athena, Romance of Men and Honshu for providing the swords; I've been to all your websites in the past due to Shad's videos. Excellent show, Shad.
Hearing "Romance of Men" is still funny to me
A good cutting sword, should cut well as long as you perform a valid cut, simple. You nailed it.
Yeah piss on someone trying to help you cut better and do more damage for less effort, 1000's of years of knowledge piff i say we have Backyard Larping Bozo's! so there!
I mean 90% of people that think they know about katanas, do so because they watches animes and went to Japan once.
I've never been to Japan. But I did sail past it on a Spru-can 27 years ago.
I have watched many anime. Basically since I was 4, with the original Anime, Speed Racer.
Regardless of this. My then brand new Rengoku Nichirin(new 2.5 years ago) opened my finger like a fresh Demon Slayer Manga, when I was slowly returning it into its saya.
It sliced so finely it took me four seconds and quite a bit of blood before I realised I sliced myself.
To this day Rengoku's Flame Nichirin is the sharpest factory fresh sword I've purchased.
My goodness it is sharp for 1045 catbon.
I wish I could have nice things though. Because keeping its white silk cotton grip white is impossible.
That's why my black Chokuto is my EDC.
I learned more about cutting with a Katana by watching ' The Slow-Mo Guys" than I have from Anime!
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"It's a sword. It's sharp. If you swing it hard at something , it'll probably gonna cut it."
Shad looks so good these days
yes, his health seems to have gotten significantly better in recent months
@@Scribe_plays It''s the winter or at least the cooler season in Australia right now, correct? Probably not broiling while wearing his gear is helping perk him up a bit. :)
@@Scribe_plays It''s the winter or at least the cooler season in Australia right now, correct? Probably not broiling while wearing his gear is helping perk him up a bit. :)
"Am I on crazy pills?" I think so, but that it the appealing part of your videos.
That got me good lmao. Good answer.
That evil chipmunk giggle when the admission of half-arsing is made.... priceless.
Can totally see Shad doing the "I was right" dance just off screne.
I'm so glad you guys did this video, so many people who complain about this subject have no clue what they are talking about.
you mean they are saying Katana is an inferior weapon since you can only cut in that predictable and short reaching way?
Hahahaha. That's such a great way to put it.
That's the reason the never use katana in wars era. Katana begin to popular in peace era because it's useless
@@FreuRozen It is not useless and it was absolutely not used like this video, both are entirely wrong.
bro they pretty much just used bigger or slightly different katanas in battle. Like the tachi or nodachi shad has talked about before.
Similar to how in Europe no1 walked around every day life with a zweihander or something....
technically, yes. Katana is not made for clash and blunt blows, it's a weapon that's specialized in cutting and not that good at anything else.
Which is why sword fight with katana is all about deflect by panning and turn it to a slice or stab.
If you want a reliable weapon, get a long sword or something beefier. Katana was over-exaggerated and romanticized by fiction.
I wonder how many of the complainers don't even watch "Ask Shogo" or even know who Seki Sensei is?🤔
It's always a treat watching Seki Sensei test out foreign armaments.
Seki Sensai is fun to watch, especially with non japanese weapons!
Ask Shogo shoudn't be consider in these matters
@@mapowey Oh dear...
Why would someone take a youtubers opinion into consideration?
why do i feel like most ppl who commented that u have to cut this specific way were the ones who are usually are mall ninjas or comment without actual research
"Mall ninja" with 3 years of practice in Iaido here 😂.
I have to say, that I learn it differently, but in my case, Iaido (Seitei-iai and Omori-Ryu) is very much perfected in the movements.
The draw-cut they talk about in my trainig is not like they showed it in the first moments. It is more in the last centimeters, while you make contact, you draw the sword back ever so slightly by applying "teno uchi": wringing your hands around the grip to make the grip more firm, and tightening your hip area.
What I like to say is, that a (for example) cleamore vs odachi, those should be used differently. As we just saw in the torture-test-video: a traditional made katana does not like to be "hacked" with, much different to a European sword with a much higher grade steel (overall)
So you try to refine your technique to use it more for cutting. This may only apply for a very small amount of cutting, like going all the way instead of 80%.
In the end, I stil think that "it is a sword, it is sharp, it cuts!" will always apply. But depending on what you cut and how you cut with it, your sword may live longer (it is part of my soul, so I'd like to keep it alive for a long time 😂)
Those people have to remember tatami mats do not strike back, the way u cut is not important if your cut is effective that is what matter by the end.
I really like how you came at this video boys!
how you showed me and stated the difference between a draw cut and so on. Them you showed, that your hand position and everything was accurate to what you were talking about.
Very well done, i learned a bunch in a short time, thank you, love videos guys, keep up the good work!
Damn I've never been this early to a Shad video. RUclips's algorithm finally doing its job.
Hey shad...Looks like the algorithm is working again cause new vids are showing up again!! Glad to see it.
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Wow this clip was quite informative, thank you Shad. Keep up the great work
I havent watched you in forever. Time to binge every video.
we get something similar in the firearms community. You get the gunstore cowboy tacticool types who saw some operator using C-clamp for longer range fire and suddenly if you aren't C-clamping you aren't holding the rifle right. Meanwhile, those of us who've been through a number of firefights just shake our heads at them and know damned well you use whatever grip, stance, and positions makes sure your rounds go downrange with more accuracy than the bad guy's RSVP comes back to you. We all get specialized training- especially when it comes to sub-guns and sidearms- ranging from C-clamp (stability for long range shots) all the way down to CAR (extreme CQB weapon retention and stability for room clearing) and everything in between, but if the barbecue lights off on you you'll use whatever works. Same applied to swords back in the day, because it wasn't intellectual debate back then, it was life or death.
Similar as well to martial arts and a brawl, martial arts techniques can help but hitting and not getting hit back is more important.
I love how this video basically boils down to sharp thing will cut
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"Why don't we get into some cuts?"
"Let's do it!"
"NATHAN!"
I thought he was in trouble for a moment.
By far my favorite vid. A lot of logical , well discussed and demonstrated techniques , very informative guys. Brilliant 😊
I think aggressive curves are better suited for cavalry. There, the riders need the extra curvature to prevent the tip of the sword getting caught.
there will always be those who think they are the only ones who know it better.
the Honshu viking sword grabbed my attention the most. and good to know that you'll review it; can't wait!
Everything I know about cutting stuff is from about 20 years working as a chef. Drawing the blade against whatever you are cutting absolutely makes a profound difference. As for the curved blade thing? There's a couple of points which will give the user mechanical advantage as the blades contact point with whatever is being cut moves towards the tip. Again, I'm a chef, not samurai Jack or whatever, so think cutting board and chefs knife and I might not sound insane. As you draw the blade through, it has more leverage against your hand (in this instance your wrist is the fulcrum, the knife is the lever and whatever is being cut is the load), the curved blade will allow the whole knife to angle closer to your body, and it's easier on your wrists.
Chopping requires mass and velocity (I know, I know everything does but I'm a chef, not physicist. Let me think out loud) so chopping knives are generally heavier like a cleaver or other straight bladed chop-centric designs vs lighter knives that rely on pressure and friction like a filleting knife. And then you have the chefs knife which can do either and will be better or worse at either depending on which way the design leans.
The other thing to note about a curved blade is how it translates what would be by definition a chopping motion with a straight blade (the contact point of whatever is being cut moving perpendicularly to the cutting edge) into a slice (the contact point moving in either direction along the cutting edge by any amount) with the exact same motion. So do you need to do a draw cut with a curved sword? No. The whole point is that the curve is applying the advantages of an inclined plane for you.
Getting all the boys to chuck in for a whole scotch or 10kg porterhouse and portioning it into steaks with the different swords would make an interesting/tasty change from pool noodles BTW. Oh, but don't be like me when I forgot to clean my hunting knife. Turns out that the red stuff in foxes is kind of corrosive and carbon steel doesn't like it. Oops.
Very profund. Best comment. (I'm a Iaidoka).
This is exactly why old butchery knives were curved. It allows more contact with the blade edge more smoothly throughout the cut. Same as with most fillet knives. Now notice where you start those cuts on the blade, like say with a fillet knife. You don't start them on the tip of the blade, like they did in the video with their "draw cuts". Instead you start them back by the handle like they did with their static "pull cuts".
@@temptempy1360 Great points.
Think of the consistency or structure of what you are cutting; a root vegetable is really quite solid and will not readily compress which means that if you simply press down or chop on it with the knife it will split even if the knife is not particularly sharp. Now think of something less solid, like a tomato. You might be able to do the same thing with a particularly sharp knife without squashing the tomato, but you are trying to overcome the surface tension of the tomato without it deforming, and because it is not as solid as the root vegetable adjustments in technique are required.
Now consider the elasticity of something being cut; when you have a broken arm and it comes time to remove the cast, an oscillating cutter is used because the skin is capable of stretching further than the distance of the oscillations of the cutting head. Because so little pressure is applied, it does not cut the skin, but because the cast is solid and can not stretch with the movement of the cutter, it gets cut. Your kitchen knives work on just the same principle. With sufficient pressure you can chop meat (think of a cleaver) but it is simply more energy efficient and accurate to use friction and slice through.
This comes back to your initial question; why not do this with root veggies and onions? It works with onions, so do whatever doesn't leave you in tears. As for harder stuff, the knife has to displace the material it is cutting through. With a knife, the cutting edge is much narrower than the thickness of the blade, so one slice does not remove enough material for the blade to go as deep as it is thick like a saw does. With downward pressure, the cut will open up as the material is wedged apart by the blade so push cuts (a sort of forward slicing motion with downward pressure) are often used for hard veggies as you get the benefits of both friction and pressure.
Great chat, happy chopping!
@@temptempy1360Nice.
The same (or similar) could probably be said of any effective purpose built tool.
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While I have no doubt that you have a firm grasp of the concepts you are commenting on, some of those sentences require significant interpretation.
Perhaps it is simply ignorance on my part.
For instance, what is the right hand rule?
Draw cut had its uses.... transitions into a stab nicely. Draw cutting also makes removing a sword from a person easier, which was important because katanan often broke or bent inside people.
That's why real samurai aimed for Kissaki cuts. They never tried to chop with their katana.
@@Hullbreachdetected Are you sure about that? Because from what I've seen in kendo, head chop is one of the most prominent moves.
@Secret_Moon kendo is totally different from a katana fight. The Shinai is designed bonk your enemy, even a little, and you got a score. A real katana wouldn't work the same way. Samurai didn't cut tatami mats with their katana, because they didn't chop into humans. Their aim was to wound the enemy by cutting or thrusting. Trying to chop isn't necessary, consumes way more stamina, and poses risk to get the sword stuck in the target. If the katana gets stuck in the target, it means the samurai not only loses its weapon to fight, but also becomes vulnerable to defend.
@@Hullbreachdetected I doubt that. You wouldn't want to practice a move so much when you don't ever want to utilize it in real combat - it would just give you bad habit and form.
@@Hullbreachdetected May I ask where your getting such information?
I know you covered it, but they WILL say that it matters when cutting something more dense. You know they will LOL.
Density does matter.
Those that constantly say Shad and Ty are wrong, they are very dense.
Than those nay sayers should demonstrate their arguments with some cadavers.
Holy moly! The RUclips algorithm finally recommends a new video from one of my best subscribtions by far!!
The success of the cut is the proof of one's proper technique
Practiced Kendo for three years in the Hawaii Kendo association, also practiced some Iaijutsu. Both forms that I practiced go back to pre Edo times. Never once did I practice draw cuts, what was important is snapping your wrist like you would with a fishing pole. What this does is just increase the speed that the edge moves. The loose guiding hand squeezes the handle so you can stop the blade at any point that you want "tenuchi", where you practice on an orange, doing a full swing and just tapping the top soft enough to not bruise the fruit with a practice sword.
Kendo is not in Europe! 👈
However, I think I speak for everyone on Krebular when I say we will take your words as such being beyond contestation.
Words are fun......and awesome. Just like swords.
You're welcomed!
@@Markbell73 You said a lot of words that had no point to them unlike swords.
Kendo isn't from Europe, just like the katana, they are both from Japan.
Kendo came from Kenjutsu as a far safer and more practical way of training people to use the katana in wars and battles.
Personally I think most of the people commenting here saw too many movies.
@@ThatDamnedGamer1 thanks for your reply.
I thought my comment would be perceived as complete jest.
So I think you got the point.
And yes, I have seen hundreds of movies over the 5 decades of life thus far.
But also lots of documentaries on many subjects, including Kendo.
I understood everything you were saying. From a novices perspective.
"Kendo is not in Europe" is a permutation of a line from the film Sneakers.
This is something I do.
Pay it no mind. I do these things mostly to entertain myself.
Very excited to see reviews for the viking sword and the shamshirs!
Gotta say, that katana is beautiful with that false edge on the spine.
I got the recomendation within an hour as well, maybe youtube is getting their act together
Same here.👍👍👍👍
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Oh my God have you seen those crazy guys at Shadiversity?! They have Curved swords! CURVED SWORDS!
Yes. Just yes.
I'd like to add a point from another video: The Katana is not curved, because people created it for a draw cut. It is curved, because of the creation process (refer to the correction to Veritasium's Katana video)
"You can't mediterranean drawcut a Katana with the arrow on the outside!!!"
I can’t believe Shad gatekept his own own brother from playing D&D. Shows what kind of person he is now hasn’t matured since then. Citation: TableTopTime “Is Jazza a Hobby Tourist”.
Draw cuts are for opponents with thick cloth armors like gambeson or leather armor. With heavier things like chainmail and plate, just give up cutting and do thrusting instead.
Without any armor, every cuts will work if the blade is good enough.
Always an entertaining and informative drop!
I am really liking the 'Studded Leather' hoodie! 🤣
"Samurais" who only cut door matts at best are the most vocal.
Always nice to see another shadiversity video😊
Nathan's back! Heck yeeeah!
I've practiced cuts on tomatoes today and I can for a fact say, that draw cuts are way better than chop cuts with a dull knife! :D
I do not know alot in swords but I know some physics.
The draw cut makes the cut beter for multiple reasons
1 when moving the blade moves always even it is stop moving forward. So it moves the particles (debris) so it is always cuting the new material not the debris.
2when you draw cut you change the cutting part on the blade while you cut. This means overall more sharpness (because of not useing the same surface)
3 because you move your blade you prevent static friction from happening (friction becomes more when someting doesn’t move)
In conclusion the curve doesn’t effect the draw cut but it can help to make a draw cut easyer
I might be wrong so if you want just write i wll reconsider my thoughts and edit the coment to fix it.
This is correct, and i want to add, that a cut without any back or forward motion of the blade is a chop not a cut, this is true when using any blade. Chopping or cutting veggies is not the same thing. And you chopp wood not cut it. This is why most cavalry swords meant for cutting and not thrusting are curved. It helpes make the drawing motion automaticly without any input from the user. When mounted you dont want to make big swings. letting the curve of the sword work for you makes it alot easier.
I only own katanas so far in my collection of swords (one being display and one that’s more designed for cutting), so I always really enjoy your content covering these swords. Found this interesting!
In all my time in Kendo whenever we did cutting practice I never once did a "draw" cut.
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When your sword has Peyronie's disease.
Ok, here's the thing you pivot with your RIGHT HAND. You pull the sword up and down with the LEFT HAND.
This allows you to do a draw like cut at a distance. yes, I've done kendo, cut tatami and everything. The way I've been trained is really an advantage when your opponent is extremely fast and puts you on the defense.
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Shad they are adding light greatswords to elden ring. The animations look great
Yooo, RUclips's started pushing your channel more! Nice, let's go Shad 😁
Let's ask Shogo.
Your japanese friend un Kyoto? 🤭
Shad and Tyranth single and two-handedly maintaining the Australian Pool Noodle market here. You guys should buy shares in some those companies! 😜
This is the arrow on the right or left side debate all again. If it works it works
I’ve noticed that everyone who’s ever told me you have to pull your arms back in and drawcut with a katana have always had zero formal training with Katana.
In contrast the people I know who do have actual formal training with katana always emphasize you have to throw your arms out and that the basic cut with a katana is like your casting out with a fishing rod as far as you can
Exactly
It’s called “throwing the katana”. And from watching Shogo and Seki Sensei, the grip on the katana should be light and flexible.
@@NorseGraphic Great! Wasn’t aware of that term. Thanks
Howdy! Long time fan here. I would be really nice if you could film and upload your regular HEMA practice, especially with steel swords and full protective kit.
Your editing is really nice and your interactions are too good to not be filming sparring footage regularly.
I think it detracts from the awesomeness and beautiful realities of the katana when folks shout out mythical, fictional or exaggerated attributes. It's not perfect or the best ever. Saying it is (or anything, very often) just causes the real brilliance to get lost and the noise or just outright ignored.
I love these videos. It's tough work correcting years of assumptions based on television portrayal of various weapons, armors, tactics, and techniques.
It's mildly amusing I've seen it referred to as katana bashing by the ones (usually) unintentionally spreading the misinformation, and missing the obvious appreciation y'all have for it.
Have you guys considered using a small pvc pipe surrounded by wet newspaper? Skallagrim recently did a video with this type of target, seems like a cool cheap alternative to tatami, with more resistance than pool noodles
The front hand loose grip is not meant to make you draw cut, it makes you capable of switching your front hand direction quickly so that you can strike from left to right easily and more quickly, like seki sensei said in his lose hand video.
As for draw cuts or any type of cuts, if you're experienced enough you would instinctively choose the best cut to do according to the tight situation you're in with your opponent.
I theorise that the closer your opponent is the more useful a draw cut is, the further your opponent is the more efficient it is to cut forward not backwards.
You gotta love computer chair "experts".
"You didn't cut me properly! Therefore my wound should be invalidated and the blood refunded to my person!" - 🤓
I love my cold steel scimitar though it’s different from your mine has a large silver handle with a type of scale etching you should check it out it’s cool
Dear Shad, we at PNIS (Pool Noodle International Society) are appalled at the massacre that we saw before our eyes today. The heartless slaughtering of pool noodles has left us speechless. As much as we loved the education and information about swords we are sorely disappointed at how ruthless you are to our precious noodles. We will be taking appropriate action to end this madness. We have also forwarded other content to the Tatami group as the incidental massacres to said item has been duly noted. Good day sir! 🧐
the grip isn't just for cutting, you're expected to stab with katana too
Keep it up shadboys
Yeah I tend to agree. In Kendo we don't draw very much in our cuts even in our Kata. Yet when we apply kendo technique to say Tameshigiri practice, the blades cut just fine through the targets.
Now, Iaidoka often produce even better cuts but I think that's partially technique but also simply because they practice more sword handling in general. Also the draw part usually happens later than most expect to when you're entering the target, you're fully extended, you cut through and THEN, the draw back happens. So people often misunderstand the sequencing I find.
Generally, I dislike videos that spend a bunch of time disproving invalid 'gatekeeper' comments, but this video was just FUN! Keep hacking and chopping and slicing away, lads!
Man im impressed with how much green that katana is picking up from the lawn.
The backside of a katana can cut if you swing hard enough.
Those cuts though, now I wish to see Seki Sensei react to this, it'd be interesting though I highly doubt it. o_o
Seki Sensei who is so used to handling katanas that he managed to casually perform perfect cuts even when he actually wanted to show a bad one. 😅
The beat advice I ever received, which applies to nearly any context: "There is no one right way, but there are many wrong ways."
Having trained in multiple styles of swordsmanship I can state that the exaggerated draw cut is best used against unarmored opponents when you fear the blade might get stuck in bone. Otherwise a strong, well designed blade with a sharp edge doesn’t care what type of cut you’re doing.
"best used against unarmored opponents"
This logic implies that blades don't also get stuck in wood, metal, etc.
This theoretical "fighting an unarmored opponent" would mean you're not at war so a duel of some kind, so only one opponent to worry about more than likely.
Idk what this situation is people always seem to recite, as if they've done it themselves, where they slice or stab into someone's body and there's enough concentration of bone where it causes their blade to become stuck but somehow also wouldn't be lethal (aka skull or chest cavity).
Like I'm sorry but you can't convince me a sword would "get stuck" in any of the bones of the arm for instance.
And so if your sword were to be lodged into someone's head or chest in a circumstance where they're unarmored, how isn't this a good thing?
@@Mr_Jumbles if your sword were to be lodged into someone's head or chest in a circumstance where they're unarmored, it wouldn't be a good thing in the case it wasn't just one person attacking you, which wouldn't be an issue in duels but if you were to be attacked by bandits or someone attempting to kill you, which was a very real possibility at the time, you had to consider more than one opponent.
Also, something that I feel people today seems to often forget when practicing sword techniques is the risk of a double kill. If you get super close to an armed opponent to perform an exaggerated draw cut, unless you have cut off the hand holding a weapon, he might still be able to stab you while exhaling his last breath.
(I don't know how to use a katana, talking based on my experience with infantry sabre but I suppose that the principle should be the same since it comes down to distance)
Sabre and katana are actually very similar once you train a bit and start discovering which techniques actually work.
@Mr. Jumbles. It really depends on a number of factors. Sharpness of the blade, weight of the blade, depth of the cut or slice are just the most obvious examples. Also, from a historical perspective, swords were often used against unarmored peasants due the medieval period of both Europe and Asia. In Europe there was actually a tactic called chevauche wherein armed troops raided and burned villages and plundered farmlands both as a form of foraging and to deny the enemy those supplies. Sun Tzu writes about this same concept in his treatise, “Art of War” in what would become modern day China a half-millennium before Christ.
In short, unarmored opponents were often encountered prior to and after the Late Middle Ages. Also, bone is hard and tough; try butchering a pug as their anatomy, in terms of size and placement of internal organs is almost identical to humans and see how difficult it is to cut through bone. Even good blades well sharpened can get stuck or be seriously damaged.
Great video guys. Here is the usual full support.
How many poor pool noddles were harmed filming this video? Pool noodle lives matter
The classic, he threw the punch wrong... the one that knocked the guy out.
This is exactly why I'm looking for a scimitar. Looks like I will finally be $upporting the channel.
I always see people crapping on the whiny katana nuts, but I never see any actual whiny katana nuts, just people whining about whiny katana nuts... 🤷🏼♀️
I formally trained in kenjutsu for almost ten years and still practice independently. We essentially cut in a drawing method, a pushing method (i.e., a push cut), and a chopping method (kind of a "snapping" cut, too). We figured each have their merits and I figure the best way to get as good as possible at cutting is to master all three. I think we may have been a bit atypical in the space, though. I'd be curious about other practitioners' opinions on this.
Edit: another side thought, a while back we had a guest visit the dojo from another style. Our stuff looked odd to him and his was baffling to us. We later realized that his dojo simulates an armored style, while ours was unarmored. This caused the stances, cuts, maneuvers, etc. to be vastly different.
I think that's about right, I haven't seen proper whiny katana nuts, but I do see the 'did you know-?' kind of person that they blow out of proportion the facts into some weird fiction of how it's one of the best swords.
Typically I see these "Whiny Katana nut" type people just as people who are really excited about swords, and want to share something they learned from a bad source (frequently mini katana) In an attempt to feel like they are a good swordsman (Insecurity comes in many flavors). However, these people are still in the early stages, and are generally super open to learning more when they actually see decent swordsmanship that they can wrap their head around, not the high level stuff that honestly you have to be decent to properly appreciate (Ton Puey still blows my mind, I'm still too much of a scrub to grasp what he does)
I still occasionally run into someone who is full of bad information and adamantly insists they are right when corrected even if multiple sources are provided.
Check the comments section any time they're Katana-critical or do testing with one.
You'll see plenty of people who are either butthurt or saying things that are outright false.
"I always see people crapping on the whiny katana nuts, but I never see any actual whiny katana nuts, just people whining about whiny katana nuts... "
Look, no one requires, nor wants to give time away to scroll through comment sections. But just becaus you dont want to or simply cant, doesnt mean, there are no keyboard weebs in the comments.
It got less over the years. But I follow the channel since 2016 and especially back in the day, when Shad did a lot of direct comparisons between all sorts of swords, every time he said something even slightly critical about the katana, you had dozens of weebs in the comments. Back then even big youtubers got butthurt and made response videos which have been very questionable in their reasoning.
The comments got significantly less, yes. But they are still there. Some would even consider your comment one of the sorts - your comment is objective and technical, so I would say its just a normal comment tho.
All my sword knowledge is derived from one Alejandro Murrieta: "The pointy end goes into the other man".
Not does it matter too much but you guys look great!
Keep up the great content🤘
Excellent video gentlemen! I think you’ve done an excellent job establishing that a katana is not significantly different in cutting usage compared to other swords.
There is one question I’m curious about though. Does the negligible difference you noted between regular cuts and draw cuts widen when you’re cutting something wider, such as something the size of a human torso? I’ve always been skeptical of the claim when it comes to something the width of a pool noodle or tatami mat roll, but when it’s wider, I could see the draw potentially being more significant. Is that something that’s theoretically testable?
"...hold it between your butt cheeks..." Nice to see Shad getting into the spirit of Pride month. Shad has often said he's not afraid to show (and publicly share) his love for swords. Should swords have their own month?
Good video, and an informative one.
Still waiting new stick (weapon) video.
Yes, Shad changed my mind sbout how a stick is a deadly weapon
Id love to see a review of the Honshu "viking sword"! I was wondering if it might make an appearance ever since i saw it offered 😆
I think too many people concentrate on practicing with swords in one on one controlled scenarios. No one is trying to kill them. They don't understand the chaos of combat or all the things that come into play when fighting for your life. I fully admit I don't know what's that like, either, but I know that I don't know. You do what you have to do to survive and no one is grading your form.
WE’RE FAILING GEOMETRY WITH THIS ONE!🗣️