I look forward to finding shattered pieces of acrylic in various places around my garage in the future, and thinking fondly of the making of this video
I'm so glad I made the change from acrylic to PTEG. Acrylic tubing is just a nightmare to deal with. Everytime I swung my hammer in my system, the tubes would just shatter and water would splash everywhere ruining my components. Now since I switched to PTEG, I can swing my hammer all i want and the only thing that happens is the tube changes to an oblong shape.
The problem is that my PTEG tubing has deformed twice and Acrylic for me never has, so for me I always will use Acrylic as I don’t want to again have to deal with my PC leaking due to deformation.
SonicfanM Yeah. I saw the Terry Crews video and they're talking about significant weight loss and I was thinking "wait what?" This is the first video where I get it. He clearly did well though!
JamesHD1990 But harder to work with in some ways. I've never heard of Acrylic shattering inside a build, but I have seen people fail multiple times to get acrylic routing right, which takes time in the build process. For a personal pet project, time is free, but if you're doing it for a job, I'd rather do it the slightly faster and easier way.
First ever RUclips post but I thought I would add my 2Cents, lol. From what I have read PETG has a max temp of 65C to 70C (149F to 158F) Whereas acrylic is 70C (158F) with short time maximum of 90C (194F). I know the temps are close but my mitx build runs about 75C -78C (167F-172F) under full load due to overclocking. Also, acrylic has a light transmission of 92% where PETg is 88%, does that not make acrylic clearer, ie more translucent?
***** Not to my knowledge,it may exist here,i shall have to look harder or buy from the U.S and incur the duty charges.After seeing the Acrylic shatter shocked me,i knew it was brittle from working with sheets of it but tubing was insane. Also did you see the picture on Instagram i tagged you in? Could be an solution to the Parvum GPU issue. All the best.
Dinxsy highflow do the 12mm/10mm so you can use bitspower fittings if you want. go to www.highflow.nl/acrylic-rigid-tubing/acrylic-rigid-tubing-nl/cf1-hard-tube-12-10-mm-petg-5-x-50cm.html
As someone who has taken Concussice Maintenance to the next level i feel like hard piping that doesent shatter all over my face and components when i try to start my fans with my 60 lb sledgehammer is something extremely appealing! will graphics cards and motherboards come with PETG versions too? getting kind of tired of getting new ones all the time...
Jay that's honestly really dumb testing the acrylic by dunking it into water while it's still hot, that's deliberately compromising it's structure. I can see you were trying to prove a point about the cracking, but I can make even metal crack by heating up and cooling it down rapidly, heck when I was learning how to weld I fucked up by dunking it into water real quick and cracking the welds. Want strong acrylic? When you heat it up, after you bend it put it in the oven so the whole thing cools at a slower rate and gives the molecules time to align and reform. It takes extra 15 minutes maybe, buts it's stronger than PETG at that point and you will be rewarded with better clarity and a more uniform texture. As for cutting and de-burring, get finer blades or sharper blades and it will cut better. I sharpen my tools before I de-burr, and the tools I use are designed for really soft woods and plastics as they have to be super sharp to get a clean chip forming and a smooth cut, they are the same price as normal de-burring tools. I also bought super fine hacksaw blades from the hardware store (absolutely 0 extra expenses compared to normal hacksaw blades from Primo Chill or any other company) and they work amazing, again as they are designed for brittle plastics and soft woods. More TPI (Teeth per inch) means finer cuts and less material taken off per cut ensuring you don't crack or break something by trying to take a large cut. PVC cutters also work shockingly well as they are super sharp and simply slice the pipe cleanly. As for cracking and such, yes the stuff PC companies sell is complete shit as its extruded (notoriously bad for Acrylic) and the rapid and aggressive manufacturing process weakens the acrylic by constantly moving it and not giving it time to settle or fully "cure". I get mine from industrial supply and it's light-years ahead from the garbage you get from PC stores and it's actually cheaper when buying in bulk. The industrial stuff is a different polymer blend and can withstand some serious force before breaking, and because it's held to a higher standard they ensure the acrylic cools evenly and is strong enough for any application. Don't get me wrong PETG is some good stuff and if your not anal about details or want a quick job it's fine. I use it for small sections and fast connections as its much easier to get right than Acrylic, but Acrylic will always be clearer, more uniform in texture and will seal better compared to PETG simply because of its molecular structure, manufacturing process and how it cuts. Not trying to hate, but your not comparing Apples to Apples and your bashing bad acrylic versus very good PETG, that's like comparing your Nismo Z to a Lamborghini Aventador, two different levels of quality entirely.
i tried first generation primochill hard fittings and their tubing and it was a complete disaster. the bending is tedious and hard to work with. i hate those spider fractures and when you accidentally overheat it and the tube becomes convoluted.
Voxel8or Sorry, but I see no spam. Atleast I'm not a teen girl posting pictures of her food on instagram everytime she eats or a twat who comments stupid mario text art that he obviously copied from a website OR a person who comments negatively on a comment that isn't half as bad *cough cough*. I'm just a fan of Jayz, I like his videos and I like to be one of the special 1st viewers :P
Voxel8or Sorry, but you can't speak for a person who hasn't really put out his opinion about the matter. I honestly just don't care anymore about this argument. I'm just gonna turn off replies for this comment so you can't argue with more idiotic comments.
I am going to be that guy, thermal shocking most things can lead to failure. Being in a hot state would mean the material has been expended, suddenly cooling it would make it shrink and as such would create cracks (if the material isn't ductile).
I always dump my acrylic tube into cold water and it never cracked. It all depends on the quality of the acrylic... There are BIG differences in acrylic quality. Atila
I'll never understand why people think hitting tube with a hammer has any bearing on its suitablility for a cooling loop. Its completely irrelevant and pointless. PETG is softer and deforms at lower temps. If your pump dies do you want the tube that deforms at the lower temp or higher temp? Thats a test that would be actually practical and relevant PETG is not as optically clear and its hard to get a decent finish on it after cutting because its so soft. Tried PETG and Acrylic is still my choice
Also consider kids being kids and knocking over your pc or running into your desk. If your PC is reaching 100 c you clearly did a bad job at making sure your radiators are working and flowing correctly. And if you don't even notice that your DC/D5 dies and continued to play your PC then that is your own fault! IDK about you, but my PC is see through!
This test is kinda silly. How often does someone take a hammer to their PC? As you can see, the acrylic didn't break when he hit it on the table so it's very unlikely to break under normal conditions. Would you take a hammer to your CPU? Motherboard? Graphics card? No of course not because they would break wouldn't they?
thunderdog512 For one, you can't do something like remove your CPU block without draining the loop and pulling the tubing off. I'll stick with my Tygon tubing.
***** Hard tubing is basically permanent tubing, maintenance and upgrades are a major pain in the ass. They look extremely clean though, and arguable require less maintenance if you do them right the first time(biocidal, no actual dye). Flexible tubing seems to kind go 'off' after a while if that makes any sense at all, like they get gummy. I hear it is caused by the plasticiser used to make the tubing flexible.
Okay, the mechanical properties of the PETG vs. acrylic is absolutely clear :)... but, what about the chemical properties? In long term contact with colored fluids, did they change the color or clearness?
Hey, Jayz, Keep up the good work, man. I have a question here, I am noticing that video card feeder blocks (EK, etc), and fittings (Bitspower, etc) seem to feed the card blocks in parallel flow splitting fashion. Does it matter if they are fed by flow splitting or daisy chained? I'm about a year out, maybe a little less, from doing a custom loop in my system, and am wondering if there is a temp difference between splitting or daisy chaining. A lot of what you have said to date makes me think this is not the case, or if it is the temp diff is so low as to not really matter. Also, on the subject of flow splitting. I have a Gigabyte Z97X Gaming G1 WiFi Black Edition. This has the water blocks on the VRM stacks. The blocks appear to be connected to each other with 1/4" or so, and I do plan to be using 1/2" ID acrylic tubing to reduce fittings costs, while still having a rigid system. How would I best deal with this? Would a flow-splitter of some kind be the answer? Thanks,
jay i think you forgot to mention the water permeability that PETG has, which is, to me, the most important drawback of PETG. not a big deal though as long as you do maintenance at least every year. all other issues can be solved with some elbow grease. but there is no way to avoid water vapor escaping through the tube. i've heard PETG stains faster with dyes but ive never seen it as i don't use dyes.
Watching these old videos, seeing where you channel is now, I am quite impressed at the quality and value (time-wise) at them. Your videos have definitely improved but not in a substantial way. They have always be good. Thank you for your contribution to the community!
PETG is basicly the same stuff plastic bottles are made of. If you look at one of those bottles of water with a thick wall, you can see that the material is slightly blue just like the pice in the video.
This guy was off-putting to me to begin with, and then he mentioned Skunk Works, which makes perfect sense. I've suffered by covert technological means the ultimate torture and control over a human being possible for nearly 13 years having been the most innocent, justice-upholding and conscientious of people beforehand, and I've earned all that is infinitely for suffering this ultimate hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FOAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm not sure about the pumps vibration would cause it. But if you're making a small itx build with acrylic tubing to bring to lan parties, it could be a major problem if you drove over a pot hole while transporting it. I do know that if the water does get to warm enough acrylic has a much higher chance of cracking(usually caused my a hair line crack that wasn't seen)
You also cannot use certain coolants with PETG -- namely anything containing ethylene glycol, also called ethane-diol or ethanediol (automotive antifreeze, Mayhem's XT-1, Phobya ZuperZero, Feser, among others). Propylene glycol is also called propane-diol or propanediol and can be used with PETG tubing -- Koolance, Primochill, XS-PC, Fluid XP+. Mayhem's X1 and Pastels use a glycerol and distilled water base, and as far as I can find, there's no concern with using that and PETG.
PETG: Polyethylene terephthalate (aka. PET, PETE, PETG) is a plastic resin of the polyester family that is used to make beverage, food and other liquid containers, as well as for some other thermoforming applications. PETG is a clear amorphous thermoplastic that can be injection molded or sheet extruded. It can be colored during processing.
Getting metric size particular 12mm OD PETG is hard in the US, I know there's a brand in EU named CoolForce makes PETG 12mm OD. anyone knows in the US?
What size tubing is that? 3/8 maybe... would you guys recommend 3/8 or something bigger. i have a future project im planning out with a 5820k and a 980 ti. Both will be on the same loop.
Don't tell me what to do because you don't care Jay! YOU CARE! MKAY? PET-G stands for polyethylene terephthalate glycol Ok Jay? How could you not care about that?
Just picked up PrimoChill PETG and Anodized Red Revolver fittings. I don't have work or school Saturday, so I'm going to start bending then. Can't wait.
***** i want to use PETG in my 1st loop, but my Bitspower d5 mod top (g1/4) doesn't look like it can support the (2) fittings side-by-side as most PETG fittings are 20mm+ wide and bitspower says 18mm max. any input? am i stuck with getting a new mod top?
Hand tools? Really Guys? You're killing me, Smalls! Reciprocal saw = no snap off piece. Hand de-burring tool leaving rough edges? 1 Word: Dremel. I'm gonna go lie down and try not to cry.
IIRC PETG yellows under prolonged exposure to UV light. Does anyone with experience care to comment if a UV lighting set up impacted the clarity of the material?
I would of thought that dipping tube into water makes it brittle? Don't dip and let it cool slowly . and flame finish after 1200 grit sanding will leave a glass gloss finish. CO2 cutting or laser cutting is also way better than the butcher saw hack method. ANd whats with the MC Hammer test?, never seen that bench test before.
I just watched this video and the deburring tool was not actually designed for acrylic it was designed for copper plumbing pipe. I have used one that looks like that for 20+ years.
Not sure if anyone posted this in the comments yet, but I would suggest trying a pipe cutter from homedepot for the PETG. No mess, cuts fast, and cleaner edge. Not sure how well it works with PETG, but worth a try. Its just a small carbide disk the rotates around the pipe/tube and you tighten it gradually each time around until it cuts through.
PETG is a food and drink friendly plastic. I just bought some PETG 3d printing filament for my 3d printer because of its strength and easy forming during print.
Some chemistry: PETG smells when its cut because it contains a benzine ring. Benzine is well known for being 'aromatic', and although benzine itself has a 'sweet' smell, when combined with other atoms as a prat of a molecule, the smell can change. This is also amplified by the ester functional group on the ends of each unit, and esters are also known for their smells as they are used in sweets, such as pear drops.
Honestly prefer acrylic... I would rather not hit my computer then have to nudge the tubing slightly for one reason or another ( example replacing ram) and bending the PETG
Various types of PET are very useful and tend to be very tough and durable. As they age though these qualities are gradually lost. Just something to be aware of. In a computer case they are well protected from harsh conditions but in other applications exposure to sunlight, salt water, certain chemicals, or extreme temperatures will dramatically accelerate degradation and eventually the material will disintegrate. Should be okay inside of a case for the useful life of a PC though.
I use Acrylic because I think it looks better/clearer and more glass like, and since I don’t have any plans to wack my tubes with a hammer I think I’ll be fine.
Can I have 5 minutes unsupervised in this room full of beautiful hardware? Although I can't all those gpu fans won't stick a little by the time I'm done.
So just in case an ant with a hammer sneaks into my computer, we should all be using PETG? What could possible happen to a PC standing on a desk that makes the brittlenes matter?
Not trying to be a smartass, but you can tell the difference between PETG and acrylic because of the greater sheen and rigidity acrylic has. If you look at the cut on the PETG tubing you can see that it is more abbraised and fogged where it was cut.
very realistic Jay. I smash my components with a hammer all the time. God forbid someone do a strest test that involves running hot liquid through the tubes to see at what temp the PETG and Acrylic begins to deform and cause leaks.
Yeah man he should have just pushed two PC's off the side of a desk or had someone run into his desk! That would be better showmanship of how weak Acrylic is!
2:19 That's nice but thermal shocking is not a good way to test a material, and the hammer test, well sure the acrylic tube broke, but is that really relevant when watercooling a PC ?
Hey guys I have a question, i'm new to the pc gaming scene so please don't shit on me. Is it better to use Anti Aliasing through the control panel or the game not quality wise but for performance.
I neither bend my systems tubes after I build it nor do I hammer it. How about lifetime and tarnish? Acrylic seems like the safer bet. All the cooler tops are made from it these days.
petg is like polly carb I work in a plastics factory. as far as bending if you use a heat proof white chalk board and place in the oven at the right temperature it will bend well. timing and temp can be critical though
Test the fittings with air pressure leak test i dont trust them lol..Whats the chances someone other than our wifes that would hit our pcs with a hammer lol
I look forward to finding shattered pieces of acrylic in various places around my garage in the future, and thinking fondly of the making of this video
Paul's Hardware I think I know why he didn't want to film in his own studio for this one :)
Were you guys actually placing it in cold water? Cause that would be the worst thing to do
I would check the computer... Im sure some flew in there XD
Also the fond memory of you feeling Jayz tube. Great vid guys.
Still finding some?
I'm so glad I made the change from acrylic to PTEG. Acrylic tubing is just a nightmare to deal with. Everytime I swung my hammer in my system, the tubes would just shatter and water would splash everywhere ruining my components. Now since I switched to PTEG, I can swing my hammer all i want and the only thing that happens is the tube changes to an oblong shape.
xD lol
Imagine ordering a PC that was made with Acrylic tubing.
PETG*
My guy
The problem is that my PTEG tubing has deformed twice and Acrylic for me never has, so for me I always will use Acrylic as I don’t want to again have to deal with my PC leaking due to deformation.
A piece of that acrylic landed in my coffee.. Thanks Jay
MrSmokepiff Man, it shattered more than I thought it would! Pieces flying all over!
***** In Sweden, can confirm.
***** So *that's* what hit my window earlier!
***** Found a piece outside my house, damn, Norway can confirm¨.
Thanks Obama.
don't know if it's rude to mention but, you really lost some weight
I also noticed that... some of his recent vids he's healthily skinny and he lost alot of weight for the better
SonicfanM Yeah. I saw the Terry Crews video and they're talking about significant weight loss and I was thinking "wait what?" This is the first video where I get it. He clearly did well though!
Dude looks great on recent videos. WD Jay
@@zombiesbyte331 And now he is straight up in good shape - congrats :D
PETG: Polyethylene terephthalate glycol.. basically PET bottle plastic, reinforced by the usage of glycol.
I was looking for a comment like yours lol
MK3424 I was sure somebody would tell this
PETG is more plasticy, and Acrilyc Acrylic is more like glass. Glass is more premium-like and looks nicer, better light reflection
JamesHD1990 But harder to work with in some ways. I've never heard of Acrylic shattering inside a build, but I have seen people fail multiple times to get acrylic routing right, which takes time in the build process. For a personal pet project, time is free, but if you're doing it for a job, I'd rather do it the slightly faster and easier way.
JamesHD1990 PETG is clearer than Acrylic, so you are kind of wrong there.
***** In the video ***** said PETG has a slight blue hue and acrylic is clearer, so you are kinda wrong there.
JamesHD1990 PETG literally is plastic. It's what bottles are made from.
***** Polyethylene terephthalate glycol-modified. Science.
First ever RUclips post but I thought I would add my 2Cents, lol. From what I have read PETG has a max temp of 65C to 70C (149F to 158F) Whereas acrylic is 70C (158F) with short time maximum of 90C (194F). I know the temps are close but my mitx build runs about 75C -78C (167F-172F) under full load due to overclocking. Also, acrylic has a light transmission of 92% where PETg is 88%, does that not make acrylic clearer, ie more translucent?
Don't think PETG tubing is stocked any place in the UK,even PrimoChill,not what i have seen anyways which is a royal pain in the ass.
Dinxsy Wow really?? Thats terrible. I didnt realize it was so new.
***** Not to my knowledge,it may exist here,i shall have to look harder or buy from the U.S and incur the duty charges.After seeing the Acrylic shatter shocked me,i knew it was brittle from working with sheets of it but tubing was insane. Also did you see the picture on Instagram i tagged you in? Could be an solution to the Parvum GPU issue. All the best.
Dinxsy
highflow do the 12mm/10mm so you can use bitspower fittings if you want. go to www.highflow.nl/acrylic-rigid-tubing/acrylic-rigid-tubing-nl/cf1-hard-tube-12-10-mm-petg-5-x-50cm.html
paul maddy Thanks for that,may have saved me some researching and shipping costs,shame the lengths are only 50cm,prefer 100cm
no worries, but yes be better if 100cm was available.
As someone who has taken Concussice Maintenance to the next level i feel like hard piping that doesent shatter all over my face and components when i try to start my fans with my 60 lb sledgehammer is something extremely appealing!
will graphics cards and motherboards come with PETG versions too? getting kind of tired of getting new ones all the time...
When I build aquariums with acrylic, I flame polish the edges with a blowtorch; perhaps you can do the same with PETG?
That's really rough Jay....
LOL!
PETG: Poly.... eeeh... something something...
This was a neat format!
Fast forward to 2021... where no one major water cool company likes PETG because it can't handle high processor heat. (Except Thermaltake.)
Jay that's honestly really dumb testing the acrylic by dunking it into water while it's still hot, that's deliberately compromising it's structure. I can see you were trying to prove a point about the cracking, but I can make even metal crack by heating up and cooling it down rapidly, heck when I was learning how to weld I fucked up by dunking it into water real quick and cracking the welds. Want strong acrylic? When you heat it up, after you bend it put it in the oven so the whole thing cools at a slower rate and gives the molecules time to align and reform. It takes extra 15 minutes maybe, buts it's stronger than PETG at that point and you will be rewarded with better clarity and a more uniform texture.
As for cutting and de-burring, get finer blades or sharper blades and it will cut better. I sharpen my tools before I de-burr, and the tools I use are designed for really soft woods and plastics as they have to be super sharp to get a clean chip forming and a smooth cut, they are the same price as normal de-burring tools. I also bought super fine hacksaw blades from the hardware store (absolutely 0 extra expenses compared to normal hacksaw blades from Primo Chill or any other company) and they work amazing, again as they are designed for brittle plastics and soft woods. More TPI (Teeth per inch) means finer cuts and less material taken off per cut ensuring you don't crack or break something by trying to take a large cut. PVC cutters also work shockingly well as they are super sharp and simply slice the pipe cleanly.
As for cracking and such, yes the stuff PC companies sell is complete shit as its extruded (notoriously bad for Acrylic) and the rapid and aggressive manufacturing process weakens the acrylic by constantly moving it and not giving it time to settle or fully "cure". I get mine from industrial supply and it's light-years ahead from the garbage you get from PC stores and it's actually cheaper when buying in bulk. The industrial stuff is a different polymer blend and can withstand some serious force before breaking, and because it's held to a higher standard they ensure the acrylic cools evenly and is strong enough for any application.
Don't get me wrong PETG is some good stuff and if your not anal about details or want a quick job it's fine. I use it for small sections and fast connections as its much easier to get right than Acrylic, but Acrylic will always be clearer, more uniform in texture and will seal better compared to PETG simply because of its molecular structure, manufacturing process and how it cuts. Not trying to hate, but your not comparing Apples to Apples and your bashing bad acrylic versus very good PETG, that's like comparing your Nismo Z to a Lamborghini Aventador, two different levels of quality entirely.
Brap Brap
Yay some who gets all the facts right. You did miss the part were PETG "rots" though.
i tried first generation primochill hard fittings and their tubing and it was a complete disaster. the bending is tedious and hard to work with. i hate those spider fractures and when you accidentally overheat it and the tube becomes convoluted.
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RiNOFocus Oh is that the club who likes to spam people's videos? Seriously these comments need to stop. It's ridiculous.
Voxel8or Sorry, but I see no spam. Atleast I'm not a teen girl posting pictures of her food on instagram everytime she eats or a twat who comments stupid mario text art that he obviously copied from a website OR a person who comments negatively on a comment that isn't half as bad *cough cough*. I'm just a fan of Jayz, I like his videos and I like to be one of the special 1st viewers :P
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"Spam (electronic), unsolicited or undesired electronic messages"
I seriously doubt he wants this shit on his videos.
Voxel8or Sorry, but you can't speak for a person who hasn't really put out his opinion about the matter. I honestly just don't care anymore about this argument. I'm just gonna turn off replies for this comment so you can't argue with more idiotic comments.
People in Africa could have eaten that pipe
I am going to be that guy, thermal shocking most things can lead to failure. Being in a hot state would mean the material has been expended, suddenly cooling it would make it shrink and as such would create cracks (if the material isn't ductile).
no shit.... 3rd grade science....
Agreed.....I am amazed everyone doesn't know this.
BundyPoppy most european ppl learn this at school but some american schools and such dont teach this basic stuff that well
"I mend my pc with a hammer so i need petg" Jeremy Clarksson
Guys please next time improve with the focus of the camera is giving me a headache
I always dump my acrylic tube into cold water and it never cracked. It all depends on the quality of the acrylic... There are BIG differences in acrylic quality.
Atila
it will get invisible cracks tho...
temperature shock pls, EVERY material gets damaged with it although some materials are stronger and others are weaker..
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I've probably watched 20 of your videos, love them all, and for some dumbass reason, never subbed.
That has been remedied.
I'll never understand why people think hitting tube with a hammer has any bearing on its suitablility for a cooling loop.
Its completely irrelevant and pointless.
PETG is softer and deforms at lower temps. If your pump dies do you want the tube that deforms at the lower temp or higher temp? Thats a test that would be actually practical and relevant
PETG is not as optically clear and its hard to get a decent finish on it after cutting because its so soft.
Tried PETG and Acrylic is still my choice
Also consider kids being kids and knocking over your pc or running into your desk. If your PC is reaching 100 c you clearly did a bad job at making sure your radiators are working and flowing correctly. And if you don't even notice that your DC/D5 dies and continued to play your PC then that is your own fault! IDK about you, but my PC is see through!
I build my water cooling with Acrylic and I had no problems with breaking it xD
This test is kinda silly. How often does someone take a hammer to their PC? As you can see, the acrylic didn't break when he hit it on the table so it's very unlikely to break under normal conditions.
Would you take a hammer to your CPU? Motherboard? Graphics card? No of course not because they would break wouldn't they?
wait, at ~42 seconds, why is the 0 on the 'on' side of the switch and the I on the 'off' one?
Rigid tubing looks so cool in a case, but its a bitch when it comes to maintenance. I think I'll just stick to soft tubing.
How so?
thunderdog512 For one, you can't do something like remove your CPU block without draining the loop and pulling the tubing off. I'll stick with my Tygon tubing.
***** Hard tubing is basically permanent tubing, maintenance and upgrades are a major pain in the ass. They look extremely clean though, and arguable require less maintenance if you do them right the first time(biocidal, no actual dye). Flexible tubing seems to kind go 'off' after a while if that makes any sense at all, like they get gummy. I hear it is caused by the plasticiser used to make the tubing flexible.
+Jose Acevedo At least PETG doesn't shatter so no worries of the breaking the tube.
+Jerome Narine unrelated
Okay, the mechanical properties of the PETG vs. acrylic is absolutely clear :)... but, what about the chemical properties? In long term contact with colored fluids, did they change the color or clearness?
Hey, Jayz, Keep up the good work, man.
I have a question here, I am noticing that video card feeder blocks (EK, etc), and fittings (Bitspower, etc) seem to feed the card blocks in parallel flow splitting fashion.
Does it matter if they are fed by flow splitting or daisy chained? I'm about a year out, maybe a little less, from doing a custom loop in my system, and am wondering if there is a temp difference between splitting or daisy chaining. A lot of what you have said to date makes me think this is not the case, or if it is the temp diff is so low as to not really matter.
Also, on the subject of flow splitting. I have a Gigabyte Z97X Gaming G1 WiFi Black Edition. This has the water blocks on the VRM stacks. The blocks appear to be connected to each other with 1/4" or so, and I do plan to be using 1/2" ID acrylic tubing to reduce fittings costs, while still having a rigid system. How would I best deal with this? Would a flow-splitter of some kind be the answer?
Thanks,
jay i think you forgot to mention the water permeability that PETG has, which is, to me, the most important drawback of PETG. not a big deal though as long as you do maintenance at least every year. all other issues can be solved with some elbow grease. but there is no way to avoid water vapor escaping through the tube. i've heard PETG stains faster with dyes but ive never seen it as i don't use dyes.
Watching these old videos, seeing where you channel is now, I am quite impressed at the quality and value (time-wise) at them. Your videos have definitely improved but not in a substantial way. They have always be good. Thank you for your contribution to the community!
PETG is basicly the same stuff plastic bottles are made of. If you look at one of those bottles of water with a thick wall, you can see that the material is slightly blue just like the pice in the video.
This guy was off-putting to me to begin with, and then he mentioned Skunk Works, which makes perfect sense.
I've suffered by covert technological means the ultimate torture and control over a human being possible for nearly 13 years having been the most innocent, justice-upholding and conscientious of people beforehand, and I've earned all that is infinitely for suffering this ultimate hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FOAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Would the vibrations on pumps or something cause fractures on the acrylic or something? or is it just tempered glass?
I'm not sure about the pumps vibration would cause it. But if you're making a small itx build with acrylic tubing to bring to lan parties, it could be a major problem if you drove over a pot hole while transporting it. I do know that if the water does get to warm enough acrylic has a much higher chance of cracking(usually caused my a hair line crack that wasn't seen)
+Atqthe30th thats why you anneal your acrylic so you relieve the stress
I have searched for hours, can anyone tell me what the music track at the beginning is called?
You also cannot use certain coolants with PETG -- namely anything containing ethylene glycol, also called ethane-diol or ethanediol (automotive antifreeze, Mayhem's XT-1, Phobya ZuperZero, Feser, among others). Propylene glycol is also called propane-diol or propanediol and can be used with PETG tubing -- Koolance, Primochill, XS-PC, Fluid XP+. Mayhem's X1 and Pastels use a glycerol and distilled water base, and as far as I can find, there's no concern with using that and PETG.
PETG stands for polyethylene terephthalate. Basically complicated chemistry jargon for a specific macromolecular plastic.
PETG: Polyethylene terephthalate (aka. PET, PETE, PETG) is a plastic resin of the polyester family that is used to make beverage, food and other liquid containers, as well as for some other thermoforming applications. PETG is a clear amorphous thermoplastic that can be injection molded or sheet extruded. It can be colored during processing.
Getting metric size particular 12mm OD PETG is hard in the US, I know there's a brand in EU named CoolForce makes PETG 12mm OD. anyone knows in the US?
"Thats really rough Jay..."
What size tubing is that?
3/8 maybe... would you guys recommend 3/8 or something bigger. i have a future project im planning out with a 5820k and a 980 ti. Both will be on the same loop.
Don't tell me what to do because you don't care Jay! YOU CARE! MKAY?
PET-G stands for polyethylene terephthalate glycol
Ok Jay? How could you not care about that?
5:57 Ok, that decided it for me. lol
Just picked up PrimoChill PETG and Anodized Red Revolver fittings. I don't have work or school Saturday, so I'm going to start bending then. Can't wait.
***** i want to use PETG in my 1st loop, but my Bitspower d5 mod top (g1/4) doesn't look like it can support the (2) fittings side-by-side as most PETG fittings are 20mm+ wide and bitspower says 18mm max. any input? am i stuck with getting a new mod top?
What kind of fps would I get on games like titanfall?
Cpu- AMD Athlon 860k quad core
Gpu - EVGA Gtx 750 ti 2 gb superclocked
8 gigs ram
Hand tools? Really Guys? You're killing me, Smalls! Reciprocal saw = no snap off piece. Hand de-burring tool leaving rough edges? 1 Word: Dremel. I'm gonna go lie down and try not to cry.
IIRC PETG yellows under prolonged exposure to UV light. Does anyone with experience care to comment if a UV lighting set up impacted the clarity of the material?
I would of thought that dipping tube into water makes it brittle? Don't dip and let it cool slowly . and flame finish after 1200 grit sanding will leave a glass gloss finish. CO2 cutting or laser cutting is also way better than the butcher saw hack method. ANd whats with the MC Hammer test?, never seen that bench test before.
i never knew he was so big
I just watched this video and the deburring tool was not actually designed for acrylic it was designed for copper plumbing pipe. I have used one that looks like that for 20+ years.
Not sure if anyone posted this in the comments yet, but I would suggest trying a pipe cutter from homedepot for the PETG. No mess, cuts fast, and cleaner edge. Not sure how well it works with PETG, but worth a try. Its just a small carbide disk the rotates around the pipe/tube and you tighten it gradually each time around until it cuts through.
PETG is a food and drink friendly plastic. I just bought some PETG 3d printing filament for my 3d printer because of its strength and easy forming during print.
Some chemistry: PETG smells when its cut because it contains a benzine ring. Benzine is well known for being 'aromatic', and although benzine itself has a 'sweet' smell, when combined with other atoms as a prat of a molecule, the smell can change. This is also amplified by the ester functional group on the ends of each unit, and esters are also known for their smells as they are used in sweets, such as pear drops.
Did Jay Say "Fuck" ???!
Honestly prefer acrylic... I would rather not hit my computer then have to nudge the tubing slightly for one reason or another ( example replacing ram) and bending the PETG
Various types of PET are very useful and tend to be very tough and durable. As they age though these qualities are gradually lost. Just something to be aware of. In a computer case they are well protected from harsh conditions but in other applications exposure to sunlight, salt water, certain chemicals, or extreme temperatures will dramatically accelerate degradation and eventually the material will disintegrate. Should be okay inside of a case for the useful life of a PC though.
I use Acrylic because I think it looks better/clearer and more glass like, and since I don’t have any plans to wack my tubes with a hammer I think I’ll be fine.
Which is better to make a plane canopy ? Acrylic or PET-G ? Which is more flexible and tougher in the same time ???
That isn't science! Science would be using a meter to measure amount of newton's required to break each (or something; I'm not very scientific)...
Seems like the acrylic has similar properties to the plastic used in BIC pens, I've cut myself from numerous times from pens just cracking lol.
Can I have 5 minutes unsupervised in this room full of beautiful hardware? Although I can't all those gpu fans won't stick a little by the time I'm done.
Take anything hot and thermally shock it (dunk in cold water) -- every material on earth will display that problem; not just an acrylic thing.
You look really skinny from the chest up, i thought u had something in your shirt at first... lol. Don't be offended, its a compliment, kind of.
I enjoyed the arctic panther stuff... but the camera work at Pauls place is pretty poor.. especially thous focus pulls.
Hmm... for some reason I want to use petg to redo my bathroom sink plumbing. I wonder how nice and compact I can get everything?
I'm about to re-do my loop and get the PETG tubing but unfortunately we don't have PETG tubing in Norway.
So just in case an ant with a hammer sneaks into my computer, we should all be using PETG? What could possible happen to a PC standing on a desk that makes the brittlenes matter?
afaik when you heat Acrylic, it releases toxic fumes. Would be interesting with PETG
Not trying to be a smartass, but you can tell the difference between PETG and acrylic because of the greater sheen and rigidity acrylic has. If you look at the cut on the PETG tubing you can see that it is more abbraised and fogged where it was cut.
I wen't to frozencpu to order the PETG from primochill in clear... its out. Jay did you order it all?
very realistic Jay. I smash my components with a hammer all the time. God forbid someone do a strest test that involves running hot liquid through the tubes to see at what temp the PETG and Acrylic begins to deform and cause leaks.
Yeah man he should have just pushed two PC's off the side of a desk or had someone run into his desk! That would be better showmanship of how weak Acrylic is!
Maybe you should get a motorised file for nail care - I dare say the principles are the same when smoothing PETG.
2:19 That's nice but thermal shocking is not a good way to test a material, and the hammer test, well sure the acrylic tube broke, but is that really relevant when watercooling a PC ?
Isn’t there a comparability issue with certain fluids with PETG?
Hey guys I have a question, i'm new to the pc gaming scene so please don't shit on me. Is it better to use Anti Aliasing through the control panel or the game not quality wise but for performance.
I neither bend my systems tubes after I build it nor do I hammer it. How about lifetime and tarnish? Acrylic seems like the safer bet. All the cooler tops are made from it these days.
petg is like polly carb I work in a plastics factory. as far as bending if you use a heat proof white chalk board and place in the oven at the right temperature it will bend well. timing and temp can be critical though
Fast forward to 2022, do you still recommend PETG over Acrylic?
PETG - you don't care but its the same material as pop/soda bottles -- incredibly strong and robust.
Is that a big ass spider up on the left wood beam?
Should have chucked that hammer in the corner just in case!
Why make a How-to-Bend video when you could just follow Apple's example.
the EVGA powersupply has a weird on-off-switch... 0 on 1 off ? eco...
I just bought 4m of Acrylic for my next built. You're making me regret it now. :|
I'll switch from Acrylic to PETG in case I accidentally throw a hammer inside my case.
Easy PETG in right hand,it got a bit of color.
And to add PETG Polyethylene terephthalate
Do you even spray, bruh?
You're technique is all wrong. Just sayin'.
Because once you bend and cut your acrylic and install everything you're gonna start hitting it with a hammer?
Jay the watercooling pro :)
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"That's really rough, Jay."
"Do you hammer in the morning? Do you hammer in the evening?"
I fought Linus was bad for the dick jokes lol 😂
Polyethylene Terephthlate Glycol-Modified
Dat google search though
I love your vids Jay but please don't saw anything that close to a power cord again. would hate to see you get a shock
Test the fittings with air pressure leak test i dont trust them lol..Whats the chances someone other than our wifes that would hit our pcs with a hammer lol
It's not like someone's gonna get into your pc and start smashing all your tubing with a hammer
Working with acrylic when its 10 degrees F outside, shatters easily.
PETG PolyEthaline something. It is plastick, that is why.
PET(g) is the same kind of plastic that's used to make plastic bottles.
i feel sad for you that you cant visually tell the difference. yes they are both clear. but they look very different.
PETG stands for Polyethylene terephthalate for those to lazy to look it up