Why 'Girlfriends' Ended Abruptly - Here’s Why

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  • Опубликовано: 31 дек 2024

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  • @ComedyHype
    @ComedyHype  6 лет назад +72

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    • @babyJes444
      @babyJes444 5 лет назад +5

      Great video, as always! If you don't mind me asking.. what's the song playing in the background of your videos? It's sooo relaxing & I'd love to listen to it while I'm painting. Thank you

    • @egenious0110
      @egenious0110 5 лет назад +2

      NYC BABY Tiffany Rose- energy 🤘🏾

    • @babyJes444
      @babyJes444 5 лет назад +2

      @@egenious0110 *thank you So much!!!!!* ❤

    • @mrs.kittylarou4970
      @mrs.kittylarou4970 5 лет назад +3

      It is a classic and should be left in time. If it didnt happen then well its too late. It wouldn't be the same because the cast got older and look different now. Thats my opinion.

    • @biracialawareness.7956
      @biracialawareness.7956 5 лет назад +3

      Two of the women are not black they are biracial. Tracee Ellis Ross has a 'white' father.

  • @Talkinishwitchris
    @Talkinishwitchris 4 года назад +450

    People forgot about William. He kept those girls safe, balanced, check them when he needed it too. William has not been forgotten about either. #talkinishwitchris

    • @rachelm.3173
      @rachelm.3173 4 года назад +38

      I loved William! He added so much to the show.

    • @Jack2020
      @Jack2020 4 года назад +16

      Yup he was great.

    • @kunknown2340
      @kunknown2340 4 года назад +9

      fav character hands down. Kept me laughing and kept me watching the show with my girl. Not to mention that The Game is a spin off that I had watched before this.

    • @feliciacleveland269
      @feliciacleveland269 4 года назад +12

      Every female needs a William

  • @jahayranunez7537
    @jahayranunez7537 4 года назад +595

    I just rewatched the whole 8 seasons of Girlfriends in 2 weeks. I couldn't stop watching. I'm mad they ended the way they did. They could of at least gave us a real goodbye.

    • @tayloryyaj899
      @tayloryyaj899 4 года назад +28

      Right I was pissed 😡

    • @_Demii
      @_Demii 4 года назад +8

      Me too!!! I swear but they did something on black Ish

    • @rebekahr25
      @rebekahr25 4 года назад +7

      Same!! I finished it so quickly and felt sooo pissed when it ended that way.

    • @michaelabazaya9667
      @michaelabazaya9667 4 года назад

      where did you watch it on ?

    • @rebekahr25
      @rebekahr25 4 года назад +8

      @@michaelabazaya9667 The full series is on Netflix!

  • @StormMonroe
    @StormMonroe 6 лет назад +1011

    So Love and ship Hop gets constantly renewed but not Girlfriends?? There is definitely an agenda being fulfilled

    • @barbarawillis8739
      @barbarawillis8739 5 лет назад +98

      They don't like showing pleasant upscale black women who show the true black woman's life. They want us fighting and acting ugly wantibg to call us all kinds of names

    • @StormMonroe
      @StormMonroe 5 лет назад +12

      Barbara Willis That is true!

    • @yama5182
      @yama5182 5 лет назад +49

      An agenda that many of us are participating IN. 😡

    • @thatonekindahotblackchickw1641
      @thatonekindahotblackchickw1641 5 лет назад +4

      Now you already know!!!!!!

    • @Bobzekat21
      @Bobzekat21 5 лет назад +9

      Yeah, reality tv is different, they like love and hip hop because of the dramatic fights and bitching, throwing red wine and all that stupid stuff.

  • @mehretgebrezgiabher9425
    @mehretgebrezgiabher9425 4 года назад +331

    I can’t believe Joan didn’t get the marriage of her dreams!!! She found a guy and they send him to Iraq?? And definitely bring Toni back to reconcile their their friendship with Joan.

    • @jaguar4120
      @jaguar4120 4 года назад +42

      I couldn't watch Girlfriends after Toni left. It felt that show was ending because she was there. There was a big avoid. They got Monica to replace her but was not the same. She hasn't a girlfriend.

    • @BriaBarrows
      @BriaBarrows 4 года назад

      Right?

    • @jenz2077
      @jenz2077 3 года назад +1

      Spoilers warning please 🥺😔

    • @spontaneousgirl4135
      @spontaneousgirl4135 3 года назад +2

      @@jaguar4120
      It wasn't the same after Toni left, I stopped watching it . No one could ever replace Toni.

    • @reehzy6915
      @reehzy6915 2 года назад +2

      @@jaguar4120 I agree 💯... It felt wrong watching it without Toni on the show 😫

  • @jazzip
    @jazzip 6 лет назад +1833

    It was a great representation of black women and the diversity of our skin tone.

    • @amyhill5037
      @amyhill5037 6 лет назад +25

      I agree they were all represented in a good way .I'm Spanish / white but I've always looked beyond my mixture I enjoyed this series a lot ......

    • @chanellebooysen9570
      @chanellebooysen9570 6 лет назад +7

      That's why I loved it

    • @ecatskid
      @ecatskid 6 лет назад +36

      I think it was a bad representation you have two mix girls who are educated and non threatening one is a focused over achiever who fails at relationships and at a sex life and a under achiever who is the opposite they are friends with a dark skin gold digger who is a self hater and who married a white man and then the mix lead becomes friend with a hood chick to use her to feel more black and learn what black love is like .this is what girlfriends was about.

    • @cewqnegu6846
      @cewqnegu6846 6 лет назад +23

      Great insight @@ecatskid . Although a very entertaining show, subliminal images/messages like the one you pointed out are often overlooked [for various reasons].

    • @Theohybrid
      @Theohybrid 5 лет назад +3

      Personality too!

  • @lbvsradiodark2915
    @lbvsradiodark2915 6 лет назад +462

    Girlfriends was the upscale, West Coast version of Living Single. It deserved better than it got, in the end. Wonderful writing, wonderful casting...I’m surprised that no millionaire BLACK producer wants to be the executive producer for this project.

    • @arthurworkman4399
      @arthurworkman4399 6 лет назад +10

      LBVS Radio Dark -- I guess it's not white-ish black-ish enough know what I mean? You can't stereotype that show. Because all of these black women characters were too head strong and each had their own dominating personality which blended too well with each other. Neither character was too big or too overwhelming towards the other characters even the smaller characters held their own against the main characters. It would be nice if they would blend both Girlfriends and Living Single into one show and instead of being a half hour make it a full hour. You might say that's gonna be hard to blend both shows that good into one show. But nothing is impossible and with the right writing team it could be done.

    • @natashabass1407
      @natashabass1407 6 лет назад +10

      Girlfriends was my favorite tv shows I’m all for it coming back to tv or even a movie it did not get the credit it deserved but it was wonderful writing and casting it should come back to tv

    • @ethanjones467
      @ethanjones467 6 лет назад +13

      Living Single definitely! But like you said upscale though. Lynn was dingy like Sinclair only difference Lynn was sexually open than Sinclair. Joan was the lawyer like Max only difference Joan wasn't a moocher and she wasn't shallow about love. Toni was boogy like Ragine. Only difference Ragine had morals about herself. And Maya was strong willed and outspoken like Kadijah. Only difference Kadijah had her own company and was single with no child

    • @lbvsradiodark2915
      @lbvsradiodark2915 6 лет назад +1

      Yes. Girlfriends was indeed bigger than the network that gave it a chance, but I am glad that the show didn’t die a sad death on the CW network either. I also cannot see how it would have had room to evolve into the great show that it became on a major broadcast network either.

    • @lbvsradiodark2915
      @lbvsradiodark2915 6 лет назад +3

      I think we all feel robbed because Girlfriends never “jumped the shark” before it vanished from the airwaves. This show and Living Single are two of the reasons that “Girls Trip” was a commercial success.

  • @nathanielpatterson1451
    @nathanielpatterson1451 5 лет назад +416

    They did the wayan brothers the same way. Girlfriends was a great tv show. Beautiful, intelligent, successful women doing their thing.

    • @wiseup1414
      @wiseup1414 3 года назад +2

      True. The last show was a boxing match with Roy Jones Jr. Smh.

    • @AfroRU6246
      @AfroRU6246 Год назад

      Jealousy

  • @moviebuffchick7376
    @moviebuffchick7376 5 лет назад +187

    I have to admit I didn't think I'd miss Toni as much as I did. She really brought a lot to the show.

  • @obdiane
    @obdiane 6 лет назад +1603

    There is always that one person that wants to leave a show or group because of money or going sole. Yet, you rarely hear from them again. So many great shows and music groups have been ruined because of it.

    • @anetterichard2389
      @anetterichard2389 6 лет назад +112

      Obdiane speak that truth. Jill Jones who and where? It's hard out there in them streets on your own, Tracee Ellis ross has rich dad and legendary mom, sure she's going to continue working

    • @KingNBlack7
      @KingNBlack7 6 лет назад +54

      Thank You. Haven't seen Jill Marie Jones in anything since, even Golden Brooke and Tracey Ellis Ross was in videos.

    • @katblue1460
      @katblue1460 6 лет назад +15

      Right??? I will laugh if there is a movie and she's not in it or has only minor role in it because of that...

    • @seilove7044
      @seilove7044 6 лет назад +64

      I agree I think like other co-stars they get big headed and think they are better then the show that made then a house hold name . I could see if she had a big movie or another show she was working with then I could under stand her leaving but when you leave with no back up plan it shows it was heated moment type of situation and not gettinf the money you think your deserve would make u want to quit with out thinking. She said she wanted to persue other things but what show or movie has she been in as big as or bigger then Girlfriends and when the cast woukd be asked about her around that time they would dance around that question so you know it left a bad taste in their mouth. Sometimes what we think we are owed isn't really that if course you don't want to be taken advantage but sometimes it ok to wait till it's your turn and not put the rest of your "family " out there to the wolves (fans and media wondering what happened)

    • @g.dollar2563
      @g.dollar2563 6 лет назад +60

      Amen!!!!! This happens time and time again, with that person never having the same level of success as they did with a group. I rather have a little something, than all of nothing.

  • @mariasolano3027
    @mariasolano3027 5 лет назад +417

    That show was better than sex in the city. Still 1 of my favorites.

  • @Sneakerveli
    @Sneakerveli 6 лет назад +447

    As a black man I love watching these beautiful, intelligent, funny black women on my mondays! Now we have women on tv fighting, yelling with plastic bodies!

    • @adrienneannice
      @adrienneannice 6 лет назад +1

      Question? Do you watch these shows or keep the channel on if so you are boosting it's ratings.

    • @stephanievshaw9113
      @stephanievshaw9113 6 лет назад +2

      👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿

    • @kinyannabrooks59
      @kinyannabrooks59 6 лет назад +1

      Right

    • @tahanieangel5897
      @tahanieangel5897 6 лет назад +9

      I totally agree with you it's horrible how black women do themselves like that these days. Like dignity is a thing of the past.

    • @NaijhaSpeaks
      @NaijhaSpeaks 6 лет назад +7

      Exactly. Media will promote anything that makes us look divided. Unity in television and film doesn't sell. It sucks.

  • @nichettucker8972
    @nichettucker8972 5 лет назад +988

    Wouldn't it be great if all the other girlfriends guested on Blackish as Rainbow's college friends.

    • @kenyaloveful
      @kenyaloveful 5 лет назад +38

      Oh I think that would be so cool.

    • @karlamariej
      @karlamariej 5 лет назад +19

      Looove that idea!!!!

    • @kaylao.3326
      @kaylao.3326 5 лет назад +25

      Nichet Tucker
      I don’t watch that show but I would definitely watch that episode

    • @fuel4luv28
      @fuel4luv28 5 лет назад +6

      Niiiiiice

    • @semajco
      @semajco 5 лет назад +5

      YYYYAAAASSSS

  • @sarge7526
    @sarge7526 6 лет назад +675

    You gotta love Kelsey for giving this show a platform!!!!

    • @ninasterling8757
      @ninasterling8757 6 лет назад +12

      Diana Ross could've paid for the show and movie all the money she has.uñless she and daughter Traci don't get along. Diana could've supported her daughter more

    • @AgingbtrthanspoiledMilk24
      @AgingbtrthanspoiledMilk24 6 лет назад +20

      Yes Kelsey did the right thing.

    • @yolandanelson8987
      @yolandanelson8987 6 лет назад +16

      Randria Del that’s why Frasier is one of my favorite shows

    • @yvonagrimsley5015
      @yvonagrimsley5015 5 лет назад +4

      Yes i❤💛💙💚this show 💔that it's gone🙁

    • @stephaniemerck3738
      @stephaniemerck3738 5 лет назад +7

      @@ninasterling8757 that sounds good in theory but even Kelsey Grammer has a daughter that's a struggling actress, he's not emptying his bank account to finance shows to employ her that's just not how it work ... you gotta work for it. his daughter was on soaps ATWT making a few hundred an episode and was written off before we could blink .. it's apart of the road to your own success

  • @pebbles70forsure98
    @pebbles70forsure98 6 лет назад +624

    I was a LOYAL girlfriend's watcher and fan. I think girlfriend's should come back.

    • @ajareid9306
      @ajareid9306 6 лет назад +4

      Martinique Adams i used watch it with my mom when I was little kid

    • @darceyderosa2426
      @darceyderosa2426 6 лет назад +4

      Yeah I don't doubt that Girlfriends will come back. Traci is doing well without it. I don't know what is going on with the rest.

    • @monajones8314
      @monajones8314 6 лет назад +1

      Right me too smh

    • @annathompson4426
      @annathompson4426 6 лет назад +7

      Yes please bring them back, loyal fans wishing&waiting....someone w/ the money to bck it, please Do!

    • @daniellehoward7161
      @daniellehoward7161 5 лет назад +1

      Even a summer replacement schedule would satisfy what happened to the Ladies of GFs. It would help the true fans close the door on an investment we made!

  • @Liz-ic6jb
    @Liz-ic6jb 6 лет назад +374

    Oprah and Tyler are not the saviors of every black project.

    • @rissaceehart4076
      @rissaceehart4076 6 лет назад +16

      THANK YOUUU that someone echoed my very sentiments!

    • @noneyabusiness2569
      @noneyabusiness2569 6 лет назад +25

      I 100% agree. There's other successful black folks out there. I'm tired of those two getting mentioned all the time.

    • @prissyscorpio3668
      @prissyscorpio3668 6 лет назад +5

      Liz Carol EXACTLY!!!! And people act like they don’t know or haven’t heard Mara say she couldn’t find a production company, Tyler & Oprah know and obviously aren’t interested. I wish people would please stop thinking that the 2 most mainstream black entertainers would have an interest in this show.

    • @stellabellafontay9366
      @stellabellafontay9366 6 лет назад +2

      This!

    • @GlAMORCRySS
      @GlAMORCRySS 6 лет назад +3

      Nell WHEELER exactly , Tyler has had some of his own shows end that weren’t bringing in the $$

  • @hookitup91402
    @hookitup91402 5 лет назад +208

    I used to watch this show with my wife and we’re not black. Loved it,it reminded me of “Living Single” with Queen Latifah and Kim Fields. They should bring this show back and give it a proper ending.

    • @TiffanyMarieMorris
      @TiffanyMarieMorris 4 года назад +7

      omg yes! even living single didn't end how i expected it to

    • @lang-ed3bk
      @lang-ed3bk 4 года назад +4

      i'm not black either and i also loved both those shows, some of my favs.

    • @daydreamer.1997
      @daydreamer.1997 3 года назад +4

      Yeeeessss me a Hispanic and my boyfriend a Filipino; we both fell in love with this show. It was relatable yet touched upon social issues that educated us. I hope to find another show just like Girlfriends. I never expected it to become our comfort show by the end and we just finished S8 Ep 13 and we feel so empty now 😭

  • @ScorpioMojo
    @ScorpioMojo 6 лет назад +470

    I'm a guy, I watched GF occasionally.. I appreciated that it was a comedy and not a weepy little drama fest set in the hood.. or slave fields 🙄

    • @nikl250
      @nikl250 5 лет назад

      @dave4248 Funyy.

    • @sheilapate7604
      @sheilapate7604 5 лет назад +1

      Ricky Raven So did my husband

    • @teniola9304
      @teniola9304 5 лет назад

      @dave4248 THANK YOU 🙏🙏💙

  • @honeybdream
    @honeybdream 6 лет назад +588

    'Friends' was never no friends of mine. It was always my 'Girlfriends' there through thick & thin...❤️️✔️

    • @joberry877
      @joberry877 6 лет назад +25

      Right I HATED FRIENDS

    • @MelaninBae90
      @MelaninBae90 6 лет назад +26

      @@joberry877 Overrated Af

    • @MA-yc7pz
      @MA-yc7pz 6 лет назад +11

      Friends was and still is the most amazing show ever made internationally and nationally just cuz she did not like it does not make it a bad show

    • @philbosh03
      @philbosh03 6 лет назад +13

      @@MelaninBae90 friends is a legendary show u can say what u want about it but what u cant deny is its success

    • @cherishoneal9108
      @cherishoneal9108 6 лет назад +11

      I could always get into girlfriends and living single. I can't get into the major network shows like Seinfeld or friends.

  • @goldrosexox4579
    @goldrosexox4579 6 лет назад +417

    Never was a fan of friends or Seinfeld. Girlfriends was everything, I hated that they canceled the show so abruptly. The fact is that America wasn’t ready for black television that actually portrayed black women in a positive light.

    • @stephanieshaffer4131
      @stephanieshaffer4131 6 лет назад +15

      They (America) still ain't ready. SMH

    • @goldrosexox4579
      @goldrosexox4579 6 лет назад +10

      Stephanie Shaffer I don’t think they’ll ever be ready tbh.

    • @goldrosexox4579
      @goldrosexox4579 6 лет назад +8

      smokey kool-aid how and when did I knock the so-called “white shows”? Just because I personally did not care for friends or Seinfeld doesn’t mean that I had anything against them, I just never liked those shows.

    • @royalfamilyprincess
      @royalfamilyprincess 6 лет назад +4

      We did have The Cosby Show and A Different World for several years😁

    • @cynthiareynolds7967
      @cynthiareynolds7967 6 лет назад +5

      I loved Friends never was a Seinfeld watcher though... I loved Girlfriends because they were relatable we all know at least one of those 4 type of women if not ALL if them

  • @MoeDavinci
    @MoeDavinci 5 лет назад +153

    Girlfriends was such an underrated program. UPN quietly was dishing out hits in the 90’s-mid 00’s.
    Then, CW came...

    • @JUlia6974
      @JUlia6974 5 лет назад +2

      Desmond Appiah ...with One Tree Hill that was my show too

    • @freddfuchsftg5676
      @freddfuchsftg5676 4 года назад +6

      UPN had the best sitcoms. Half & Half, Girlfriends, The Hughleys, One on One, The Parkers. Wish I can name others but that was my childhood forsure!

    • @Megaman.ExE7
      @Megaman.ExE7 4 года назад +2

      @@freddfuchsftg5676 "Rock me baby" but that was a white show lol IDK why I remember UPN so well

    • @freddfuchsftg5676
      @freddfuchsftg5676 4 года назад

      @@Megaman.ExE7 Oh my God! I totally remember that show now! I'm not gonna lie, I really liked that show. One of the sitcoms that was definitely forgotten thru time. One of the rare white sitcoms on UPN.

    • @freddfuchsftg5676
      @freddfuchsftg5676 4 года назад

      @@Megaman.ExE7 Not counting the reruns of Seinfeld and Frasier lol.

  • @79bnice
    @79bnice 6 лет назад +255

    Let's be honest, they didn't want it to compete with sex in the city. It wasn't just Black's watching this show. Many minority was into this show.

    • @lilimont2
      @lilimont2 6 лет назад +21

      Yes ....you hit it right on the nose .....thats what i said ....this was the black sex in the city and thats why it got canned

    • @Crystal-bq4fd
      @Crystal-bq4fd 6 лет назад +18

      We are NOT "minorities"!!

    • @msohsosolo
      @msohsosolo 6 лет назад +7

      79bnice
      Thank you for putting it on the table & making it clear. I have always believed that was the primary reason for this demise of our beloved show.

    • @calennosliw3669
      @calennosliw3669 6 лет назад +1

      Stop saying minorities

    • @tracyalston7123
      @tracyalston7123 6 лет назад +5

      I never thought it was even close to sex and the city. Besides sex and the city was first 🤷🏽‍♀️one was cable the other wasn't. I loved both shows equally and they only compared because they were women.

  • @Libra_Strings
    @Libra_Strings 6 лет назад +411

    If they would have gone on, they would have easily surpassed Friends and Seinfeld!

    • @keshahudson4506
      @keshahudson4506 6 лет назад +12

      I agree

    • @SSWBJC1
      @SSWBJC1 6 лет назад +13

      Maybe in views but not Money ..... they were making Milliions in one episode..... Black actresses will never make that amount of money

    • @simmssherry176
      @simmssherry176 6 лет назад +6

      ATLien 1985 And friends was shit 💩

    • @tamaralaird3389
      @tamaralaird3389 6 лет назад +14

      I don't know about that. Black people are not enough to carry a show, we need white people. Friends and Seinfield everyone was watching them, asian, white, black etc. Girlfriends, honestly was only black women. I love the show, and as a young teenage black girl, helped me so much with myself esteem however, very unrealistic to think they would of surpassed white tv.

    • @SSWBJC1
      @SSWBJC1 6 лет назад +2

      @@geminidiamond1212 That's cool.... it was just my opinion anyway.....

  • @blup1sx991
    @blup1sx991 6 лет назад +512

    UPN pissed me off period when they cut this show, " Eve", and "All of Us" to conglomerate with the WB network, especially since these shows were holding their own. They also ended "Half & Half" like this!

    • @Sideem
      @Sideem 6 лет назад +88

      I'm still pissed about Half & Half to this day.

    • @brandalecarter6940
      @brandalecarter6940 6 лет назад +6

      I liked kutz too

    • @Boricuasexii69
      @Boricuasexii69 6 лет назад +13

      @@Sideem We was left not knowing WHO Mona choose, I was praying she choose Chase,, ( Lamman Rucker )

    • @honeybutter7953
      @honeybutter7953 6 лет назад +24

      And I loved Half & Half!!

    • @parlayphresh3062
      @parlayphresh3062 6 лет назад +5

      yup those were great shows now what do we have? black lightning smh

  • @soniabanderegnezpourgagner1842
    @soniabanderegnezpourgagner1842 4 года назад +66

    The way they stop the series was so savage 😩 we never saw the wedding of Joan , also the baby boy of William dent and more !! I feel betrayed 😭😭😭 they definitely should make movie !!!

  • @RealMERealME-zm1kk
    @RealMERealME-zm1kk 6 лет назад +398

    I think they cut the show because they where being shown as black women with education and class but they didn’t want to show that anymore now you see black women on tv disrespecting themselves such as Atlanta housewives love and hip hop and so on and so on but I wish they will come out with a reboot are a movie sex in the city had a movie reboot so let girlfriends come back with something girlfriends always💓💓💓💓

    • @nickilovely9355
      @nickilovely9355 6 лет назад +7

      Blackish strong black family not to mention she is a doctor, charmichael's, grown ish, insecure, black lighting all great shows . Yes I think they need to stop showing the ratchet reality shows but they also have TI and Tiny and friends which is a great family show. Just know they have bad in all races not just blacks.

    • @goldenaxe4812
      @goldenaxe4812 6 лет назад +4

      If I could like this 1,000 times I would. You are so right.

    • @christophertoney3914
      @christophertoney3914 6 лет назад +4

      Yup queen cause all they wanna do is push black people out here being ignorant

    • @chiquitawims1784
      @chiquitawims1784 6 лет назад +4

      You are so right all networks took off shows, that showed black people in a positive light. Lincoln heights that was a black family oriented show, college hill which had some drama but showed black kids experience in college. etc. t.v just not worth watching any more

    • @alexwheat5074
      @alexwheat5074 6 лет назад +3

      There were still other shows with black women with class Lol. Enough with your tariq nasheed conspiracy theories.

  • @markwes5093
    @markwes5093 6 лет назад +294

    I know for sure people will show up and show out for a girlfriends movie but hollywood is very biased

    • @stacyr4768
      @stacyr4768 6 лет назад +5

      Yes it takes plenty money to make a movie

    • @josephknight5726
      @josephknight5726 6 лет назад +3

      A movie would be nice. Good show tho.

    • @lastdays3148
      @lastdays3148 6 лет назад +2

      I know that I would most definitely loved to see a comeback return from Girlfriends. The best time for Melanin Prosperity Shows were in the 1970s,1980s and the 1990s. Thank Goodness that I was a little girl in the 70s a Teenager Lady in the 80s and in my 20s,during the 90s. To enjoy Melanin Sitcom Shows that were awesome and the best comedy sitcom shows to watched. In Television History🌹

  • @curtistinemiller1560
    @curtistinemiller1560 6 лет назад +252

    Girlfriends was iconic 4 Black beautiful women doing it and relating to each other very closely .I've never seen another show comparable to Girlfriends .. .....

  • @yojs17_
    @yojs17_ 5 лет назад +367

    My 3 favorite shows got jipped...Girlfriends, Moesha, and the Game.

    • @kenyaloveful
      @kenyaloveful 5 лет назад +36

      Everybody hates Chris.

    • @yojs17_
      @yojs17_ 5 лет назад +1

      kenyaloveful this was a favorite too

    • @rickyfontaine5810
      @rickyfontaine5810 5 лет назад +6

      Ironically they all had ties with each other. Maya character was on Moesha, Melanie was Joan's niece on girlfriends

    • @deljean
      @deljean 5 лет назад +2

      @@rickyfontaine5810 Maya on Moesha? I must've missed tht episode. Unless you thinking about Alexis Fields

    • @rickyfontaine5810
      @rickyfontaine5810 5 лет назад +2

      @@deljean it was the episode when Dorian went to visit his real mother

  • @c104ark6
    @c104ark6 6 лет назад +276

    Fox and the WB used black shows in the beginning when they were new networks and paid them a lot less. And when they got big enough they cut the show's and started producing white sitcoms and paid them more money.

    • @stacyr4768
      @stacyr4768 6 лет назад +8

      Now Fox is racist

    • @danielbrady4524
      @danielbrady4524 6 лет назад +2

      Imagine Fox doing Married with Children now??? And WB for me was cartoons Animaniacs etc, also the introduction of WayneHead, and Half and Half was a show I liked........watched Girlfriends has an adult.....yeah.....anyway have a great day

    • @devares2006
      @devares2006 6 лет назад +4

      So true. At least UPN stayed true to the end.

    • @freddycalipari4242
      @freddycalipari4242 6 лет назад

      How it goes they always use black shows to launch a new network.

    • @michelleburkes2535
      @michelleburkes2535 6 лет назад

      That is so true on so many levels

  • @chanceussery4090
    @chanceussery4090 6 лет назад +57

    This show didn't get the credit it deserved.Showing black women in a positive light of course it would end like this.

  • @tweetingsparks
    @tweetingsparks 6 лет назад +247

    CW Network only wanted shows that catered exclusively to white, middle- to upper-class teenagers.

    • @misscleo378
      @misscleo378 5 лет назад +7

      I watched this show faithfully. It had great writing and a even better cast. I was a fan of The Game too. Gotta hand it to Mr. Grammar.

    • @revdrtiffanyfoster
      @revdrtiffanyfoster 5 лет назад +6

      I really enjoyed girlfriends. It showed a diverse group of successful woman. Too many of the other shows on CW dipicted a reality not real to everyone. Not everyone has rich parents, luxary cars, and lives in luxury. These women showed that with hard work, and a great support system of friends you can accomplish great things. Girlfriends showed real like situations, and sadly it was probably just too real for some folks.

  • @rayhanes1347
    @rayhanes1347 5 лет назад +52

    Man I miss the sitcom era. We'll never have that again.

  • @NicoleP36
    @NicoleP36 6 лет назад +233

    I was so hoooked to this show in my late teens

    • @ceceambrose4846
      @ceceambrose4846 6 лет назад +1

      Park1way Way1park me too

    • @EpicRealistTV
      @EpicRealistTV 6 лет назад +2

      Me too! My mom and I used to watch it.

    • @NicoleP36
      @NicoleP36 6 лет назад +1

      sym Lynn was my favorite she was a care free spirit and followed her own beat..

    • @garmengifaen7081
      @garmengifaen7081 5 лет назад

      idle in fish tank

  • @arguewurcooch6300
    @arguewurcooch6300 6 лет назад +312

    I’m 20 and I remember UPN ... when CW took over they put on white shows like smallville and supernatural which are cool shows but they got rid of all of the black shows to give us a bunch of mediocre shows at best

    • @gregphillipsel9906
      @gregphillipsel9906 6 лет назад +9

      fox did the same thing after Martin and living single.

    • @sandraatueyi81
      @sandraatueyi81 6 лет назад +2

      I agree

    • @jessicajepson9823
      @jessicajepson9823 6 лет назад +6

      Why wont they leave the black shows? Smallville and supernatural are garbage. Most white ppl dont care what color the actors are! We just want some good tv!

    • @lisayoyo5298
      @lisayoyo5298 6 лет назад +1

      I was mad as hell. I loved upn. Cw had some bs

    • @stephanieshaffer4131
      @stephanieshaffer4131 6 лет назад +1

      I remember too and Cable made a killing 💲💲💲💲

  • @ilovelegos2000
    @ilovelegos2000 6 лет назад +317

    They need to put girlfriends on Netflix or any other streaming service. I didn't watch upn that much as a kid. Only moesha I watched on there. I watched disney channel most of the time but I started watching girlfriends a few years after it ended. Loved it.

    • @GlAMORCRySS
      @GlAMORCRySS 6 лет назад +5

      ilovelegos2000 I would love that , I used to watch girlfriends when I was younger . I’m 25 going on 26 and I feel I would have a better understanding and interest in the show now that I’m older

    • @aspirehigher6368
      @aspirehigher6368 6 лет назад +2

      @@GlAMORCRySS totally couldnt really relate when I was younger I thought they were just crazy. Now that I Can relate, I kinda feel crazy about that too lol it's bittersweet how time flies. This is my year to turn 30.

    • @GasStationEyelashes
      @GasStationEyelashes 6 лет назад +2

      If you have Amazon fire stick, it's on the CW Seed app. It's not the full series, but there are episodes from every season.

    • @suesue2100
      @suesue2100 6 лет назад

      I was just saying this

    • @Boogiefizzie
      @Boogiefizzie 6 лет назад +3

      You can download the CW app onto your computer for FREE also, to watch every season of Girlfriends...

  • @IAmTracyReady
    @IAmTracyReady 5 лет назад +127

    Definitely reboot worthy.. ... a Netflix series would be great

    • @ednaogega3716
      @ednaogega3716 4 года назад +8

      Your wish just came true

    • @IAmTracyReady
      @IAmTracyReady 4 года назад +3

      @@ednaogega3716 ikr!! Thanks for the reminder that I wrote this last year

    • @Bonny228
      @Bonny228 3 года назад +3

      @@IAmTracyReady that’s not a reboot, it’s just the whole series being aired again on Netflix, a reboot means new episodes

    • @sarairocks1010
      @sarairocks1010 3 года назад

      What’s the name of the new on made by Netflix?

    • @Bonny228
      @Bonny228 3 года назад

      @@sarairocks1010 it’s just called “girlfriends

  • @kenyaralipscomb6615
    @kenyaralipscomb6615 6 лет назад +168

    We need Girlfriends back! I don’t care how - a movie, back on TV, a Netflix series (Hello Netflix, you love diversity right? You got the coins! Buy into this franchise! It’ll make you money!)
    I feel like women like the characters in Girlfriends need to be on screens now more than ever. Media has molded baller wives, bad girls club, LHH, and Instagram models to be the role models.And the hip hop music? Don’t even get me started. Yet black women are the most college educated group of people in America! And there are many professional, beauty, independent women both married and single living out their lives feeling about lost. Because we bare between the lines of not ethnic enough and not trendy enough. So yes, women like that standard need to be represented on media as such!

    • @stephanieshaffer4131
      @stephanieshaffer4131 6 лет назад +3

      If it comes back it won't be with these characters. Trust me, something went crazy wrong after Toni left.😀

    • @LyricalPoetess
      @LyricalPoetess 6 лет назад +2

      Kenyara Lipscomb I have all the seasons on DVD....

    • @kenyaralipscomb6615
      @kenyaralipscomb6615 6 лет назад +2

      Stephanie Shaffer you are probably right. They will bring it back and alter the characters to be more moderate

    • @keishafrench9105
      @keishafrench9105 6 лет назад

      I still watch them on Hulu

    • @andreagardner6639
      @andreagardner6639 6 лет назад

      I think it would win big on Netflix or HULU

  • @Noirmariposa
    @Noirmariposa 6 лет назад +325

    I’ve seen Grammers name on several shows . Not many used to finance black shows when he did .

    • @BK4LF1
      @BK4LF1 6 лет назад +33

      At one point he was the only one backing black shows.

    • @keishaalexander9533
      @keishaalexander9533 6 лет назад +4

      BK4LF1 true

    • @pinkroseyrose
      @pinkroseyrose 6 лет назад +17

      Thats why hes my old man crush lol

    • @dramahawkpromotions9621
      @dramahawkpromotions9621 6 лет назад +11

      Yup Kelsey Grammar was the Executive Producer behind Girlfriends. I was shocked at first myself

    • @Noirmariposa
      @Noirmariposa 6 лет назад +6

      LANIKKA COLEY he was looking kinda good in that 2018 clip .

  • @christophermcelroy6848
    @christophermcelroy6848 5 лет назад +285

    This was my show! Fine ass women of all shades & colors. Women from all walks of life. Women that had Brains to match their beauty.
    ALL OF THEM.
    Somebody give that man Kelsey Grammar his props for creating this fantastic show.

    • @JordanWilliams-ix2td
      @JordanWilliams-ix2td 5 лет назад +13

      PREACH! This show could've easily pushed the negative stereotypes of black women but didn't. not Only that there were darkskin & lightskin main characters...ok Kelsey I c u boo! Lol

    • @christophermcelroy6848
      @christophermcelroy6848 5 лет назад

      @ero120 Ok. Then whom? I must have read the credit incorrect YET IM sure his name is Exec. On this show.

    • @christophermcelroy6848
      @christophermcelroy6848 5 лет назад +9

      @ero120 SMH @ ME! DUH! I stand corrected. It IS Mara BROCK. W her fine ass. #BlackGirlPower
      Kelsey Was behind her though. Which was surprising to me when on air.
      Sad though. I never get likes. I actually have 54 bc of........ wow.
      Wonder if I change it to the rightful owner MARA BROCK AKIL would people Still be so kind.

    • @jacowlmedia
      @jacowlmedia 5 лет назад +5

      Oh yeah! The music, the theme song was tight, too.

    • @Dashawn628
      @Dashawn628 4 года назад +1

      @@JordanWilliams-ix2td So Maya wasn't a stereotypical angry black woman? Riiiight 🤣

  • @kcoolmuziq
    @kcoolmuziq 6 лет назад +62

    Jill Marie Jones has aged the best out of ALL the cast members. Why they never brought up the guy cast member Reggie Hayes? Completely left him out.

  • @happycamper232
    @happycamper232 6 лет назад +84

    I think the movie for Girlfriends would be good. We had two movies for Sex and The City, so why can't we get a closure movie for Girlfriends?

    • @KhiaraZhane
      @KhiaraZhane 6 лет назад +2

      Agreed! Until he mentioned Sex and the City, I never thought about how the two shows line up to each other as far as the personalities and accomplishments (or lack there of), of their main characters. It may explain why CW dropped them...hate to bring race into it, but its the reality of the industry.

    • @keshahudson4506
      @keshahudson4506 6 лет назад +1

      Great idea

    • @browniee127
      @browniee127 6 лет назад

      8

    • @tiffanylewis7633
      @tiffanylewis7633 6 лет назад

      and both of sex movies sucked 👀

  • @Cpre1111
    @Cpre1111 6 лет назад +311

    Tyler Perry and Oprah have very profitable production companies that could easily make a "Girlfriends" movie. There is NO valid excuse for why this movie hasn't yet happened!

    • @adeolao4695
      @adeolao4695 6 лет назад +6

      Courtney P they may not be willing to pay what they deserve

    • @taryno8610
      @taryno8610 6 лет назад +22

      Tyler could easily do it. His recent stuff has been awful. He needs a new idea or two

    • @sandyluis7547
      @sandyluis7547 6 лет назад +20

      They cater to the white audiences even though blacks still support them.

    • @Cpre1111
      @Cpre1111 6 лет назад +5

      @@sandyluis7547 so very true.
      Adeola O, YES! Always underpay the Black woman!
      Taryn O, I completely agree!

    • @teresairvin5279
      @teresairvin5279 6 лет назад

      Yes Mr. Tyler can make a movie and we demand he do

  • @novareign7711
    @novareign7711 5 лет назад +204

    And when she left that show we never really seen her but in like 2 movies so she should of renewed the damn contract 🙄 I still have to watch reruns 🤦🏾‍♀️

    • @lwarfield52
      @lwarfield52 5 лет назад +8

      Okay! I agree!

    • @Babyluv4r2
      @Babyluv4r2 5 лет назад +20

      Shawnese Nichelle finally! It had to be said! #facts

    • @jw.4854
      @jw.4854 5 лет назад +24

      The vibe of the show got better after she left though because the women grew in season 7 ultimately my favorite season and Joan finally met someone!! When it first came out I had to go to other people's houses to watch it because my town didn't get the CW for the first year but the CW sucks I wish it would have stayed upn!!

    • @briannaharper3408
      @briannaharper3408 4 года назад +9

      I was thinking the same thing I felt if she woulda stayed they would’ve nvr even thought of canceling them .

    • @myrainezdawriter6024
      @myrainezdawriter6024 4 года назад +18

      I honestly believe it was ratings that declined after she left the show. It just wasn't the same anymore after she left. I stopped watching it after a few post Toni episodes.

  • @supernerdychurchgirl
    @supernerdychurchgirl 6 лет назад +195

    Jill Marie Jones abrupt departure changed the chemistry of the show. Things got weird with more focus being on Maya and Darnel "moving on up", Joan's dating situation got worse and worse, and Lynn was all over the place. That being said, I am totally here for a movie with all of the ladies.

    • @RashonWill
      @RashonWill 6 лет назад +15

      Felicia Malone LoL you didn’t like the Maya and Darnell story lines??
      I loved it, wasn’t a bad substitute at all.
      Even the William and Monica story lines filled in okay. Lol

    • @supernerdychurchgirl
      @supernerdychurchgirl 6 лет назад +11

      @@RashonWill I just thought they put too much emphasis on their relationship. The focal point was always Joan and Tony with Maya and Lynn being side stories. I really liked William and Monica tho, way better than he and Yvonne. I'll watch the movie regardless. I hope it gets made.

    • @A1HOTDiva
      @A1HOTDiva 6 лет назад +3

      Felicia Malone I agree

    • @kekeb1629
      @kekeb1629 6 лет назад +1

      Felicia Malon

    • @stelladallasAlabama
      @stelladallasAlabama 6 лет назад +2

      Tony was the best part of the show. When I look at that picture i still miss the toni character

  • @Bunny0609Tx
    @Bunny0609Tx 6 лет назад +426

    I loved this show! We need a movie! They were our Chocolate Sex in the City!

    • @brinastar1580
      @brinastar1580 5 лет назад +13

      Bunny Scoggins they were better than sex and the city

    • @sherrythomas3028
      @sherrythomas3028 5 лет назад +7

      I prefer this show over Sex and the City. It was more relatable. And I never wanted to slap any of the Girls on GF.

    • @CeliniacForLife
      @CeliniacForLife 5 лет назад

      Audriana Marie Baker How? 😂

    • @home4life505
      @home4life505 5 лет назад +6

      Not our chocolate sex and the city. Our GIRLFRIENDS

    • @Mimi-cg2cw
      @Mimi-cg2cw Год назад

      No way.. I'm 69 blk f and I'm a die hard Sex in the City fan. I'm Carrie Charlotte Amanda and Samantha all rolled up in one. Lynn Toni Joan and Mya can't hold a candle to those New York ladies.

  • @jasminpurifoy6492
    @jasminpurifoy6492 6 лет назад +160

    And this my people is exactly why you must own your own network!

    • @kae324
      @kae324 6 лет назад

      Den Réabhlóid thanks for the new update I didn't know about black & sexy channel I'm late I will try 2 find that channel on AT&T and is bounce black Owned

  • @jessicaberry87
    @jessicaberry87 5 лет назад +98

    I would love to see A Girlfriend's movie.

  • @drunkendragon182002
    @drunkendragon182002 6 лет назад +95

    Even as dude I gotta say this show was iconic. It brought something different to television that hadn't been seen since designing women. I have no idea how Girls trip gets a movie but Girlfriends can't.

  • @DonnaMariaDixson
    @DonnaMariaDixson 6 лет назад +768

    Yes if not a movie what about a TV movie or like all the other shows a reboot?

    • @stacyr4768
      @stacyr4768 6 лет назад +33

      Reboots are flops , I would settle for Netflix rerun or a TV movie to get some closure. So many unanswered questions

    • @PHlophe
      @PHlophe 6 лет назад +1

      @@stacyr4768 spin offs work better. a UK galfriends spin off would be good, the followed with the Frenchies with subtitles. we need to cover the diaspora .

    • @mariastewart8810
      @mariastewart8810 6 лет назад +7

      Exactly. a TV movie would suffice. Perhaps Mara could approach LIFETIME and pitch it to them.

    • @devinanderson1500
      @devinanderson1500 6 лет назад

      MArie Livingston ain’t like they cashed on that trash Surviving compton

    • @deej5608
      @deej5608 6 лет назад +19

      I NEED A MOVIE. WE ARE OWED A WEDDING FOR JOAN AND A FRIENDSHIP MAKE UP WITH HER AND TONI

  • @IjeomaThePlantMama
    @IjeomaThePlantMama 6 лет назад +187

    I remember seeing Kelsey Grammer's name under executive producer and I always wondered "That Kelsey Grammer? From Fraiser? No I dont think so." Well I'll be damned.

    • @puddintame5742
      @puddintame5742 6 лет назад +22

      Yep! The Game too! That's him!!

    • @Ms.Carla17
      @Ms.Carla17 6 лет назад +24

      I thought I was tripping too. I watched every episode of fraiser and still couldn't believe it 😂😂, he like him some black women

    • @christophermcelroy6848
      @christophermcelroy6848 5 лет назад +17

      Yeah. That Part. Hahaha
      That man. People will always overlook the most important people in projects by dismissing the CREDITS. I grew up Reading all the names on all the shows!!
      I felt like you @ first when I peeped it on the forst episode.
      I am black. Yet I LOVED Frasier.
      I was a nerd & my Mother was always into cultured stuff & fine arts.
      I read dictionaries so the jargon & language used on Frasier was funny af to me. Especially matched w the chemistry.
      Great show.
      Hence why I knew Kelsey was gonna do his damn thing w the show.
      Made me proud that he fucked w US (black ppl) on that level.
      Shamee that the powers that be could not be stopped, & they all had to succumb to the inevitable.
      Imma begin writing the script for the 🎥

    • @christophermcelroy6848
      @christophermcelroy6848 5 лет назад +16

      @J Idowu Truth. Plus Kelsey is an outstanding Actor, director, producer, creator, & etc.

    • @shakemadaise2896
      @shakemadaise2896 5 лет назад +3

      Yes, that’s him

  • @cosmicthanos4977
    @cosmicthanos4977 5 лет назад +174

    Where's
    Spike Lee 40 Acres and a Mule Film
    Lee Daniels Production
    Tyler Perry Studios
    Oprah Harpo Production

    • @melanieedwards8252
      @melanieedwards8252 5 лет назад +23

      Sitting back, counting their money while sipping tea at lunch

    • @peppermintpattie6006
      @peppermintpattie6006 5 лет назад +6

      Well damn....🤦🏽‍♀️

    • @clarencebryant421
      @clarencebryant421 5 лет назад +3

      Bam.....you so on point

    • @FayLartey
      @FayLartey 5 лет назад +10

      Forget Harpo! Oprah only does what she's told! RIP, MJ

    • @airheadthebest
      @airheadthebest 5 лет назад +33

      It’s a positive show about black women.. nobody gettin raped or selling their kids so Tyler n lee Daniels aren’t looking for shows like that

  • @keymabess8725
    @keymabess8725 6 лет назад +805

    They were black women, that’s why the network didn’t care!!! Godddd, I hate to say everything is abt skin color BUT IT IS!!!!!🤬

    • @81sexislim
      @81sexislim 6 лет назад +55

      You aren't lying tho. This a racist world still. Ppl like to play blind eye to the truth but it still is. Everything is still based in race

    • @boomboom7364
      @boomboom7364 6 лет назад +8

      @@81sexislim Yup.

    • @joberry877
      @joberry877 6 лет назад +52

      Facts thats why Living Single was wiped out. Black folk doing positive, sophisticated things CAN'T HAVE THAT...😒😔

    • @starmitchell8149
      @starmitchell8149 6 лет назад +3

      @Donald trick Trump Has STD's from Stormy D. 😂🤣 you.funny sound angry too

    • @MsDesiree39
      @MsDesiree39 6 лет назад +12

      why didn't BET or OWN take them over then?

  • @sophiadonai5583
    @sophiadonai5583 6 лет назад +249

    I was waiting for Joan's wedding

    • @sheboxing24
      @sheboxing24 6 лет назад +2

      Sophia Henry lol me too

    • @garmengifaen7081
      @garmengifaen7081 6 лет назад

      Hola

    • @caraj8949
      @caraj8949 6 лет назад

      Mee too!!!!

    • @Betty_Monroe
      @Betty_Monroe 6 лет назад +1

      I was waiting to see if Joan & Toni to reconciled. In my heart, I know they would've..

    • @caraj8949
      @caraj8949 6 лет назад +1

      @@Betty_Monroe that would have been a good episode.

  • @janeka2013
    @janeka2013 6 лет назад +144

    I loved Girlfriends ! 🙌🏾

    • @nigerdeltamirrortv9311
      @nigerdeltamirrortv9311 6 лет назад +2

      Janeka Walker Me too and I'm a continental African from Nigeria

    • @QueenOfPrinciple
      @QueenOfPrinciple 6 лет назад +2

      Yes girl!! That was my flick and still on my top favorite shows

    • @mspier34
      @mspier34 6 лет назад +1

      Me too...

  • @geisalagordon9966
    @geisalagordon9966 4 года назад +21

    A "Girlfriends - the Movie" should be done! Bring Toni back, and Todd. What did she do when she moved to NY. Aaron comes back home, with PTSD, and him a Joan get married and begin a foundation to help children deal with parents that returned from war. Lynn with a great singing career and touring the world. Mya and Darnell adopt 3 siblings, and Jabari graduates from college with a Master's Degree in Biochemistry

    • @dreezvs
      @dreezvs Год назад

      Why that? Jabari wanted to be an architect

  • @dabigdikdangler
    @dabigdikdangler 6 лет назад +348

    They got dumped the same way The Jeffersons did, unceremoniously

    • @anthonywilliams6002
      @anthonywilliams6002 6 лет назад +23

      Jeffersons were wronged

    • @stacyr4768
      @stacyr4768 6 лет назад +5

      It still hurts my heart

    • @kcoolmuziq
      @kcoolmuziq 6 лет назад +43

      The Jeffersons was the LONGEST running sitcom at that time & NEVER got a final show ending. So disrespectful.

    • @EmpressElizabeth1920
      @EmpressElizabeth1920 6 лет назад +19

      same with New York UnderCover

    • @honeybutter7953
      @honeybutter7953 6 лет назад +24

      @@kcoolmuziq look how they did John Amos in Good Times..black show with a strong father figure in home, Christian mother and they kill John off and had Esther marry an atheist..they just can't let us shine.

  • @EyeM.Juhst.Mii89
    @EyeM.Juhst.Mii89 6 лет назад +359

    You gotta be careful how you move in Hollywood. Jill said she wanted to leave because she wanted to do movies. But I haven't seen her in anything but 35 and Ticking since the show ended. Just because you're ready doesn't mean its your time. The only one who has had success after the show was Tracey. Its sad how the show ended and i hope the other cast members are doing great as well ❤❤

    • @tanyataylor5530
      @tanyataylor5530 6 лет назад +13

      Jill Marie Jones was also in The Perfect Holiday with Gabrielle Union. 😀

    • @greenearthblueskies8556
      @greenearthblueskies8556 6 лет назад +2

      On point

    • @celesterwalker7725
      @celesterwalker7725 5 лет назад +10

      I haven't seen her in Nathan! Shoot! hope she stacked her bread.

    • @deeknits
      @deeknits 5 лет назад +18

      I've seen both Jill Marie Jones and Persia White each in one TvOne original movie, and Golden Brooks was on Hollywood Divas (I think that was the name of the show), it was her, Paula Jai Parker, Elise Neal, Lisa Woo, and Countess Vaughn, but quite honestly, that reality show REALLY made me dislike Golden Brooks. Not sure if that's how she really is, but she came off HELLA bitchy and phony AF.

    • @TheMariemarie16
      @TheMariemarie16 5 лет назад +10

      @@deeknits Hey Persia was also on Vampire Diaries. And Golden has done alot of t.v. work and reality T.V. I think Golden also read some fictional books on Audible but I'm not sure on that. Jill I dunno, I can't blame her for wanting to shot her shot but I wish we had heard more from her.

  • @Sega_is_all_i_cd
    @Sega_is_all_i_cd 6 лет назад +306

    Wow and never saw “Toni Childs” in any movies.

    • @myhubbyislouisvuitton4218
      @myhubbyislouisvuitton4218 6 лет назад +11

      She's been in a good few. I remember the one where her abusive husband killed their children by dropping them out of the window. It was the most horrific scene.

    • @kiaraaward6814
      @kiaraaward6814 6 лет назад +63

      @@myhubbyislouisvuitton4218 That Isn't Her

    • @myhubbyislouisvuitton4218
      @myhubbyislouisvuitton4218 6 лет назад +36

      @@ThatiSelebano Its called "For Coloured Girls"

    • @myhubbyislouisvuitton4218
      @myhubbyislouisvuitton4218 6 лет назад +30

      Jill Marie Jones has been in approximately ten movies, other tv shows, and music videos. Check out her IMDb.
      Kimberly Elise was the actress in For Coloured Girls, not Jill Marie Jones but there was definitely a movie with a similar storyline with Jill Marie Jones. She played her role very well I just don't remember the name of it.
      EDIT: I made an error and corrected it. I think a lot of us agree she's a good actress and would like to see more of her.

    • @Sega_is_all_i_cd
      @Sega_is_all_i_cd 6 лет назад +1

      SammyandCharlie Drider name of movie???

  • @sauldelvalle4288
    @sauldelvalle4288 4 года назад +27

    I just finished watching Girlfriends for the first time since watching it back in 2008. It makes me so sad to know this show didn't get a proper ending but I recently watched an interview where all 4 actresses confirm that they're down to do a reboot or movie. Fingers crossed that they're able to do it!!

    • @jaguar4120
      @jaguar4120 4 года назад +4

      I really want a reboot and a movie down the line.

  • @BrinaDoc
    @BrinaDoc 6 лет назад +420

    Why Doesn’t Oprah Winfrey or Tyler Perry Just Reboot or Make a Movie 🎥🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️

    • @1thetvzone
      @1thetvzone 6 лет назад +31

      Because Oprah & Tyler aren't going to put their money into it..

    • @1thetvzone
      @1thetvzone 6 лет назад +4

      @Made from the dust of the ground different strokes for different folks.....a.) it all about making $$$

    • @1thetvzone
      @1thetvzone 6 лет назад +8

      @Made from the dust of the ground lol...I was falling asleep, but it all about what going to them $$$$...Tyler is about himself, and he wouldn't do him justice...

    • @stephanies9071
      @stephanies9071 6 лет назад +18

      Because it's not dysfuntional enough. Had it been anything else, with any kind of debauchery, people like them more than likely be quick to cut a FAT check.

    • @cookie22100
      @cookie22100 6 лет назад +15

      Because they don't care about Black Americans

  • @donnajohnetta
    @donnajohnetta 6 лет назад +79

    Amazon needs to write that check. They need this kind of content over there.

  • @AlmondSummers
    @AlmondSummers 6 лет назад +362

    They need to ask Regina King or Viola or Kerry Washington to back the film! They would be the best to do this female driven cast. Or better yet let the fans fund the film. I would be willing to invest!🙋🏽

    • @pamelaparkman90
      @pamelaparkman90 6 лет назад +4

      Almond Summers yes I totally agree! That would be awesome

    • @dezinechic
      @dezinechic 6 лет назад +4

      yes i instantly thought fan funded, im here for that!

    • @SidJeri
      @SidJeri 6 лет назад +7

      Gofundme the movie...

    • @latricehoneycutt9096
      @latricehoneycutt9096 6 лет назад +4

      Almond Summers , let's call Tyler too 🤗

    • @deborahthemisses
      @deborahthemisses 6 лет назад +1

      Yes would definitely be an excellent investment...I'm in👋

  • @jennziff2116
    @jennziff2116 5 лет назад +54

    Til this very day, I love girlfriends!! 1 of my absolute favorite shows. It's hilarious & stands the test of time.

  • @stephaniedonato6414
    @stephaniedonato6414 6 лет назад +62

    It was rude and unfair. The show was good, the acting was good and the show was doing really well. Yet the network chose lesser shows . Shows that had weaker ratings ,and shows that’s were on for a lesser time and a weaker fan base.

    • @pennydink72
      @pennydink72 6 лет назад +1

      Exactly. How dare we be decent people....

  • @moneyspider1
    @moneyspider1 6 лет назад +84

    Why can't the movie company behind "Girls Trip" make a "Girlfriends" movie? Or the movie company behind "Set It Off?" (was that from Queen Latifah's Flava Unit?) What about New Line Cinema? What about the movie studio(s) behind all of Ice Cube's "Friday" or "Barbershop" movies? I just don't understand why seemingly no movie studios want to make a "Girlfriends" movie when it was clearly a successful TV show.

    • @Kangman02
      @Kangman02 6 лет назад +4

      Tyler perry also could jump in

    • @Mytime153
      @Mytime153 6 лет назад +3

      Probably because it's been too long. I'd definitely watch it but maybe if a movie came out 10 years ago it would've been better.

    • @RashonWill
      @RashonWill 6 лет назад

      She’s asking for 50-60 million. 🤷🏾‍♀️
      Not counting people’s money, but a lot of these black celebs don’t have it like that. Things aren’t always what the appear to be.

    • @dpcisunbreakable
      @dpcisunbreakable 6 лет назад +1

      @@Kangman02 Unless his name is saturated in the script with a bunch of prison-muscle trade, he does not care.

    • @dpcisunbreakable
      @dpcisunbreakable 6 лет назад

      @@Mytime153 My thoughts exactly.

  • @phumzilesinoritanyawose1892
    @phumzilesinoritanyawose1892 6 лет назад +72

    Never done this to sex and city
    But because it a black series just cut it without goodbye

    • @theTruthSeekerishere
      @theTruthSeekerishere 6 лет назад +5

      Sex and the City was on HBO, that network does things differently than a smaller Network like UPN.

    • @Christine-xt8fr
      @Christine-xt8fr 6 лет назад +2

      Oh stop it. MANY MANY shows have been cancelled without warning and/or without a proper ending. Look it up. It wasn't because it was a black show!

  • @brianbrown7530
    @brianbrown7530 5 лет назад +218

    Girlfriends ended just like A Different World ... abruptly! No explanations just fans trying to figure out what happened and being upset.

    • @mvscrubb5174
      @mvscrubb5174 5 лет назад +20

      ADW was cancelled because of the LA riots episode. Also, the network had a huge issue with Sistah Souljah having a guest appearance.

    • @BMoney04
      @BMoney04 5 лет назад +26

      And they had a series finale on a different world.. It may have sucked but at least they got one ..

    • @tamara_diamonds422
      @tamara_diamonds422 5 лет назад +3

      Jules Winnfield pretty sure she figured it out it had an ending by the last comment. People really needs to stop answering questions or commenting once they’ve seen the commenter has been corrected or answered.

    • @ajsassy788
      @ajsassy788 5 лет назад +16

      Brian Brown A Different World didn't end abruptly! They had a great ending letting us all know what was next in their lives. I wish they would do next generation ADW with their kids because Whitley was pregnant last 2 episodes.

    • @CeliniacForLife
      @CeliniacForLife 5 лет назад +10

      Jasmine Guy was offered a spin-off with Kadeem, Cree, and Darryl. Their story could’ve continued for another four or five years but she chose not to do it. Her career hasn’t gone anywhere since then.

  • @williamfields3524
    @williamfields3524 6 лет назад +124

    Was a great show but this is how all Black sitcoms are treated

  • @dionnefaulkes
    @dionnefaulkes 6 лет назад +207

    Cedrick said he didn't even know the Steve Harvey show was cancelled until they showed up for work and saw cake! Yet Friends show had bill boards and television announcements

    • @tanyataylor5530
      @tanyataylor5530 6 лет назад +4

      Well I guess the CW exes learned their lesson. WOW!

    • @lucapeyrefitte6899
      @lucapeyrefitte6899 6 лет назад +12

      dionne damn that's harsh and that was an entertaining show

    • @geegar3825
      @geegar3825 5 лет назад +7

      dionne dont expect steve harvey to have an opinion on that he has grandkids to feed 🙄🙄

    • @krystalharris1259
      @krystalharris1259 5 лет назад +4

      I LOVE THE STEVEY HARVEY SHOW!!!
      Way better than his talk show. But not more than family fued

    • @petersmith9254
      @petersmith9254 5 лет назад +1

      dionne black shows are ok like 3 seasons then they get boring

  • @DeAndreFlyboi
    @DeAndreFlyboi 6 лет назад +161

    So do Joan and Toni ever become friends again? I have been itching to know for over 10 years

    • @pinkbubbles2572
      @pinkbubbles2572 6 лет назад +15

      You are not the only one

    • @naemack1441
      @naemack1441 6 лет назад +13

      I hope they didn't become friends again. Joan did so much for Tony ..and Tony was such a self centered narcissist.

    • @constancewilliams760
      @constancewilliams760 6 лет назад +1

      Yea before she and her husband moved away

    • @hazelgoodshepherd9315
      @hazelgoodshepherd9315 5 лет назад +1

      Joan and Toni never reconciled.

  • @madinahilyasah6823
    @madinahilyasah6823 5 лет назад +43

    I think that the show "Girlfriends" has probably resonated with many Black women in a way that no other show has before about black-female friendships. They represented love, support, loyalty and a dedication to a growing work in progress in their relationships with one another, as well as in marriage, motherhood and careers, etc. We, the audience, and the cast deserve closure, an ending that is befitting and deserving of the quality of artistry that these women gave the loyal viewers every week. And, as a black woman, in many instances they were speaking our truth, the good, the bad and the funny! The show can never be duplicated because the talent and chemistry of the cast was truly authentic! Not too many comedy shows can keep my attention for long at all! I love my "Girlfriends!"

  • @mattirzzmattimuss
    @mattirzzmattimuss 6 лет назад +43

    I used to love watching this show. It reminded me of Living Single in a way... just seeing black women 4front not to mention their women I love women

  • @sockpuppetgranny9335
    @sockpuppetgranny9335 6 лет назад +124

    Folks kill me leaving a show while it's hot. See how Friends, Seinfeld, Frasier, etc actors never left? The actors remained humble and an ensemble cast. Hell, some of them are STILL getting paid off residuals. "We" need to take heed. You become a part of a successful show, then all of a sudden you wanna quit, and go do Broadway? Have a seat.

    • @tiaraw872
      @tiaraw872 6 лет назад +10

      Well for 1 when most actors do a gig they aren't planning on being there their whole career. They could already had plans on doing broadway or whatever they choose to move on from or the opportunity came up for them to do something different in their life so they choose to take it. Yeah YOU might love a show & want it to last forever but that's not always the case for the ppl that's ACTUALLY in the show. And 2 you can't compare to the other shows because not everything is the same behind the scenes plenty of ppl leave shows, this is nothing new

    • @Mia-sp8jc
      @Mia-sp8jc 6 лет назад +2

      OMGosh I just realized that. So true!

    • @sockpuppetgranny9335
      @sockpuppetgranny9335 6 лет назад +8

      @@tiaraw872 I'm talking success here dear. For every ONE person that "makes" it going solo, there are 20 people that do NOT. Learn that there are two sides to every coin okay? Not every differing opinion is an invitation for argument. Learn to co-exist on a higher level.

    • @sockpuppetgranny9335
      @sockpuppetgranny9335 6 лет назад +3

      @@liona6770 You are so busy looking for an argument that you can't see that we basically said the same thing. That means that you are limited. Which is typical.

    • @tamaraedwards9166
      @tamaraedwards9166 6 лет назад +1

      👏👏👏

  • @Beautyflawed81
    @Beautyflawed81 6 лет назад +50

    I recently started watching this show again and I still love it... It's unfortunate when black sitcoms that have great runs just end abruptly.. Look at The Wayans Brothers... If there was a movie made or another show made, I'd tune in for sure...

    • @stacyr4768
      @stacyr4768 6 лет назад

      The show never gets old. It was realistic.

  • @victoriawelch1112
    @victoriawelch1112 5 лет назад +37

    Tony was my favorite. She's beautiful.

  • @OfficiatingBornVideos
    @OfficiatingBornVideos 6 лет назад +109

    Loved that show. Got a chance to see young woman at the time that were my age group. So mad it ended the way it did.

    • @stacyr4768
      @stacyr4768 6 лет назад +2

      I was obsessed with that show

    • @reneehoney7355
      @reneehoney7355 6 лет назад

      Officiating Born it ended badly but had a good run.

  • @babyjo315
    @babyjo315 6 лет назад +55

    It seems like all of Mara Brock Akil's shows get treated like that cause The Game series finale was wack just like Girlfriends was, and Being Mary Jane didn't even get a series finale @ all.

    • @stacyr4768
      @stacyr4768 6 лет назад +6

      She is black and a woman, it's expected unfortunately

    • @QDennardII
      @QDennardII 6 лет назад +9

      Facts af. Great observation. I was pissed how they did Being Mary Jane.

    • @QDennardII
      @QDennardII 6 лет назад

      nikki aviv you’ll be waiting forever. It got canceled. They are supposed to be doing a 2 hour movie the end it. That’s what I heard.

    • @mitchelljordan3521
      @mitchelljordan3521 6 лет назад

      jojobaby 2223 being Mary Jane wasn’t really a good unless you is gay or a female no disrespect

    • @QDennardII
      @QDennardII 6 лет назад +5

      Mitchell Jordan how would u know that unless you’re gay or a female then? You’re clearly not a female so does that mean you’re gay? However, I appreciated the show because it tackled black issues that are taboo. Things we don’t discuss amongst our own community because it’s embarrassing. I also liked the fact that blacks were being represented as successful and not poor but also real. If u have to be a woman or gay to see something other than sexuality then maybe I’m lost.

  • @marabarnes7407
    @marabarnes7407 6 лет назад +77

    I absolutely LOVED girlfriends!!!!! I watched it everyday it was on!

  • @KTKZon58
    @KTKZon58 5 лет назад +58

    Shouts out to Fraiser for recognizing the potential in this show and shouts out to Mara Brock-Akil for creating it and shouts out to you for this dope vid brothaman ✊🏿✊🏿✊🏿

  • @knowledgeispower9521
    @knowledgeispower9521 6 лет назад +41

    Reboot for sho!!!!! This was one of the best comedy sitcoms of four black, beautiful, smart, and sexy girlfriends that had real life problems but mainly with black men. This was the show to watch then, I wouldn't miss it for the world!!! YES, BRING IT BACK!!!!!..

  • @FlipStar26
    @FlipStar26 6 лет назад +37

    I really did enjoy "Girlfriends" back in the 00s.... didnt make me any less manly... sad that it ended abruptly... a movie would bring necessary closure.

  • @gabrielrooks9222
    @gabrielrooks9222 6 лет назад +97

    That is always the way they do shows with Black cast.

  • @dagameplayer
    @dagameplayer 4 года назад +14

    i fell in love with Maya all over again when I re-watched this on netflix recently. She's the most beautiful of the 4 main stars and most interesting imo. All of the characters were great though. Lynn should have been giving more development though.

  • @shirleysimmons8665
    @shirleysimmons8665 6 лет назад +79

    YES YES YES comeback, where is Tyler, Oprah, Danny Glover, where is the United Front!!!! People of color support Your Own!!!!

    • @stellamanurung519
      @stellamanurung519 6 лет назад +4

      oprah prefer to do a reality show about lindsay lohan

  • @jaymac5766
    @jaymac5766 6 лет назад +271

    Reboot the show with the original cast members..

    • @jackh4687
      @jackh4687 6 лет назад

      Jay Mac I agree

    • @josephclegg3562
      @josephclegg3562 6 лет назад +2

      It wouldn't be the same.

    • @thegreyarea4069
      @thegreyarea4069 6 лет назад +1

      Not toni 💁 forget her acting like big movies was calling her right then smh its so many ppl who do shows and movies at the same time shit even two movies at a time. Im w Tracee, it was rude and unfair

    • @breyuna
      @breyuna 6 лет назад +1

      We just need a movie like sex and the city did

    • @noneyabusiness2569
      @noneyabusiness2569 6 лет назад +2

      Too many reboots. I think this series deserve a movie to tie up the ending.

  • @BxJayify
    @BxJayify 6 лет назад +154

    Its was bigger than sex and the city. That was the problem...

    • @jamesadams4514
      @jamesadams4514 6 лет назад +15

      It was not. Sex and The City ended while Girlfriends were still on and aired on HBO. The CW was being racist and wanted to end all Black shows. Leave SATC out of this.

    • @BxJayify
      @BxJayify 6 лет назад +2

      @@jamesadams4514 ohk. I see where your going with this and I mean no harm. Lol. Yes, CW didn't keep it on because the show wasn't Guaranteed another season. Super funny move knowing the show had, or must I say, "HAS" a huge fan base tuning in everyday even during reruns. So why dismiss a guarentee money maker!?! And unapologetically give no proper ending!?!?
      From the beginning of the creators journey knocking door to door to have on air, those presented with the show, replied with no interest I'm guessing because based on SUCCESSFUL BLACK WOMEN!!

    • @jamesadams4514
      @jamesadams4514 6 лет назад +8

      BxJayify that is the true tea of it all. they gave Sex and The City a proper ending because they were WHITE women and then two movies that were terrible. I admit that after Toni left the show wasn’t as funny any more anyways but overall it was a true representation of Black women. They covered topics that Living Single did not and deserved the proper ending and a movie. Which is why I’m glad there are shows like Insecure properly representing Black women today.

    • @stellamanurung519
      @stellamanurung519 6 лет назад +3

      what are you talking about sex and the city was first aired in 1998

    • @BxJayify
      @BxJayify 6 лет назад

      @@jamesadams4514 yes I don't look to discredit sex and the city. No! They're the pioneers of life in the city as WOMEN! I don't judge on color but it seems some do...

  • @keshastanford8413
    @keshastanford8413 5 лет назад +53

    I also think they "the CW" were Rude and unfair for hiw it ended mid season. It was a total success of o show. Because of this fans and cast were left hanging. DO A GIRLFRIEND'S MOVIE!!! I'D GO SEE IT

  • @ademaya4773
    @ademaya4773 6 лет назад +266

    Akil is a beautiful woman.

    • @akvalues
      @akvalues 6 лет назад +13

      Adeili Maya they are all beautiful!

    • @springboard1994
      @springboard1994 6 лет назад +15

      @@akvalues They are, but you kindof expect the actresses to he beautiful. Its an unexpected, pleasant surprise to see that the writer is just as beautiful or more so than "The Talent"!

    • @louregal99
      @louregal99 6 лет назад +2

      Yuuuuuuuup

    • @stacyr4768
      @stacyr4768 6 лет назад +6

      Beautiful and smart

    • @TripleBlsdNHlyFvrd
      @TripleBlsdNHlyFvrd 6 лет назад +4

      Yes and immediately reminded me of Angela Bassett.

  • @Nabisoul28
    @Nabisoul28 6 лет назад +29

    I would love to see Girlfriends come together as a movie it was a very sophisticated feminine soft wonderful approach on the other side of black women I know I would support it if it came out as a movie and kudos to the writer and developer of this program I never missed an episode I'm now 62 years old I actually miss that program and I wish the cast and everybody involved the best of all things the very best of all things coming into this new year

  • @aida_amore
    @aida_amore 6 лет назад +35

    This show was brilliant in every way! I'm so sad that it ended.

  • @BrokamaGay
    @BrokamaGay 5 лет назад +27

    Its strange, i grew up watching shows like Living Single and Girlfriends, the Parkers, etc. It wasnt geared towards me but they were so enjoyable.

    • @jaguar4120
      @jaguar4120 5 лет назад +1

      I love The Parkers. Now that show had a show ending.

  • @stupidcupidx
    @stupidcupidx 6 лет назад +18

    All of the wholesome good black sit coms and shows in general always gets shut down because people aren’t willing to show black people in a positive light. I’m just saying

  • @cicely4628
    @cicely4628 6 лет назад +81

    There's this strange "Reboot Syndrome" shows are going through. As much as I loved "Girlfriends" its okay to leave it in the past. Not totally opposed to a movie, but definitely not a reboot of the show cause it wouldn't be the same as before.

    • @LSTORMTheMC
      @LSTORMTheMC 6 лет назад +6

      💯💯same shit with Martin. fans would be greedy to the point where they start to regret even wanting a reboot 😅

    • @ariyaletwitty23
      @ariyaletwitty23 6 лет назад +12

      Charlamander Blaze I think it’s because there is such a lack of great black shows today that aren’t corny. I think that’s what’s causing all these reboots. Even in the music industry as well. Everybody is wanting “that old thang back” because the stuff that’s being played and shown now is just so Wack! 😩 it makes you really miss the nostalgia of black culture when it was so organic

    • @rr.5205
      @rr.5205 6 лет назад +6

      @@ariyaletwitty23 I agree. I hear so many people talking about how much they love blackish. I tuned out 1 minute into the first episode after Anthony Anderson said, "my beautiful mixed wife." At that moment, I knew that show would be of no interest to me. 😂
      I just didn't like how much hype the show got for being "for black people", then two sentences into the whole series they already started praising mixed women. I know, I didn't give the show a chance, but still.

    • @vanessadotson8067
      @vanessadotson8067 6 лет назад +1

      +Rouge R.
      i feel u but also think about this, the show is called "Blackish" what do that mean i take it as its called "Blackish" to mean that evan tho they are all black the ish part means that be cuz they are black whit money an live in the suburbs an not in the inercity or hood that u can call the "Blackish because the are not on the street corners talking "Jive an saying give me five my man" an stuff like that, so to me thats what the ish part in Blackish means to me...

    • @rissaceehart4076
      @rissaceehart4076 6 лет назад +1

      @@rr.5205 Ok I'm glad I'm not the only one going bananas & Bending over Backwards for Black-ish..Ijs

  • @EyezSpeakTruth
    @EyezSpeakTruth 6 лет назад +28

    I could literally binge watch girlfriends on the weekends when I was off.

  • @tonymason7502
    @tonymason7502 4 года назад +5

    One of the best shows I've EVER watched. Loved every episode and all the characters are still so dear to my heart! I pray that one day they continue in one way or another. Either way they will be forever in my heart. Thank you for all the laughs along with the definition of TRUE friendships!!

  • @phumzilesinoritanyawose1892
    @phumzilesinoritanyawose1892 6 лет назад +147

    Black series are always looked down on

    • @amyhill5037
      @amyhill5037 6 лет назад +4

      they are looked down on or frowned upon because a lot of the writing is crap living single was another good series .

    • @josephclegg3562
      @josephclegg3562 6 лет назад +3

      Moesha is another one that deserves a proper ending, because it ended on a cliffhanger. Although with Lamont Bentley dead, we may never if Myles will ever be saved or who was pregnant.

    • @LADYGoatness
      @LADYGoatness 6 лет назад

      👏🏾👏🏾faccs

    • @michellesmall1018
      @michellesmall1018 6 лет назад

      This show was great..all beautiful woman, God bless girlfriends,my favorite ..Tony, Mya, Joan, Lynn

  • @rr.5205
    @rr.5205 6 лет назад +67

    My dad used to love Girlfriends lol

    • @noneyabusiness2569
      @noneyabusiness2569 6 лет назад +5

      Same here, a few weeks ago we found a dvd set at Walmart and he said he missed the show

  • @PiscesRus
    @PiscesRus 6 лет назад +142

    So sad but I LOVE the Game so I gotta be grateful Mara had time to create it lol

    • @caraj8949
      @caraj8949 6 лет назад +4

      I enjoyed the game, too. I loved me some Pookie! Every family has a Pookie they can call on to get things done.

    • @StormMonroe
      @StormMonroe 6 лет назад +3

      The Game was great the first three seasons...Once tia left and the laugh track was put in, the show got stupid

    • @showtimesportsmedia6906
      @showtimesportsmedia6906 6 лет назад

      Storm Monroe they took the laugh track out actually, it was there until pooch and tia left really. Just no laugh track at all . Hard to tell when a joke was made but then again it wasn’t really that funny after season 4

    • @SimplyE_Renee
      @SimplyE_Renee 6 лет назад

      @@StormMonroe not to mention, the whole dymamic of the shoe changed once it went to BET

    • @CeliniacForLife
      @CeliniacForLife 6 лет назад

      Storm Monroe She was on the show until Season 5 and the show always had a laugh track, except the sixth and seventh season when they abandoned it.

  • @Luxbay_Studios
    @Luxbay_Studios 4 года назад +43

    I didn’t even want a proper ending, I just wanted Joan and Toni to makeup🥺

    • @jaylove1931
      @jaylove1931 4 года назад +9

      Don’t you think their friendship was toxic?

    • @kaylenejantjes8113
      @kaylenejantjes8113 4 года назад +2

      @@jaylove1931 yeah, a lil bit.

    • @JaynaDior25
      @JaynaDior25 2 года назад +1

      I hated how they made Joan later on