12 Angry Men - My New FAVORITE Movie | First Time Watching | Movie Reaction | Movie Review
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How is it possible that a movie about twelve men in one room yelling at each other be SO GOOD!!
Great writing, great acting, great direction. The Trifecta!
It's because it's so basic. It really can run the gamut of human emotion and how it's portrayed in a theatrical setting.
its not
Because the writer, the director and the actors were some of the very best in the business at that time.
@@kairissilverthrone435 You mean gamut, not Gambit. Gambit has a whole nother meaning.
Gambit is also the name of an excellent movie with MIchael Caine and Shirley MacClaine.
23:53 "I need to call my parents and tell them to watch this." Hearing Dasha say that made me so happy.
I was born during that hot summer of 1957. This was a study in brilliant script, brilliant camera work, brilliant acting. A true, undeniable classic.
You ain't so bad yourself Johannes
I was first performed as a radio play.
Did you notice the guy who said that he "never sweats", had a trickle of sweat running down his forehead when he realised that he was wrong about the title of the film he saw the previous night?
A lot of younger people dismiss black and white films for any number of reasons: they think the story or the acting will be unrealistic or the effects are primitive or they don't recognize any of the stars or feel it's too far in the past to be relevant to them. And certainly, there are plenty of older films that are junk. But then there are movies like this: well-written, expertly directed and staged and photographed (in this case in only 3 rooms) and performed by actors who may not have been beautiful but could act. You kept an open mind, Dasha...big thumbs up for you. Well done.
The best part about her reaction was she didn't have the classic (Gen Z) reaction to the old cloth dispenser everyone has. Perhaps, they still use these things in Russia.
a lot of oldies. ( depending on definition. ) the 1970's was a very strong decade for flicks. ' the Sting ' ( related. butch Cassidy ' '69 ) Godfather. ' Cuckoos Nest. Chinatown . on and on to Alien . real 'oldies' example - 1939. gone with Wind. '41 citizen Kane. '42. Casablanca. all on most ' top ten flicks' lists.
I’ve noticed the younger generation seems to have a shorter attention span, due to the type of media they grew up on. This type of movie moves at a completely different speed. But I can’t remember anyone that’s disliked this movie, young or old. It’s just great cinema!
Older movies were much like plays because that's what audiences had for this type of entertainment before movies. The action was often overly dramatic, the scenes in three acts, etc. It took movies a while to break from their theatrical roots. Even this movie was originally a play.
"El-train" is short for "Elevated Train". Some of the larger cities had trains raised on elevated tracks running above the streets, usually at the second floor level. Many were removed over the years, but there are still some, for example, in New York and Chicago. The sound is deafening when the trains pass, making these offices an apartments not very desirable. Oh, and FYI, a meter is a little over 3 feet.
I was a kid in the 80's and they showed us this movie! It's a masterpiece and the lessons learned from it were integral to my foundation! The way it tackles bias, hypocrisy, how to actual think critically... and humanity! Consider the scene after the not guilty agreement, when he brings the broken father his jackett. I love this movie. The 5 minute 1 shot title/introduction is perfect!
I was a kid in the 80's and they also showed us this movie! In Morality/Ethics class in HS!
The hand towel machine in the restroom doesn't reuse the same cloth. As you pull it down off the top reel, it wraps around another reel in the bottom. Eventually you pull all the towel off the top reel. At that point, all the used towel is wrapped on the bottom reel and can be removed to be laundered. These still exist today ion some places and there's usually a service company that supplies clean rolls and washes the dirty ones.
Thanks, I was wondering that myself.
And they get jammed really easy. Pull down on it wrong and no more rotation. Everyone is stuck using the same soiled section.
@@oltyret I think that's why they fell out of favor. I haven't seen one in a long time.
Sure thing, the old cloth dispenser went around and around. You used the same cloth over and over again. Some people even whiped their ass on them. You had to stay away from those spots
"O.M.G, My belly hurts from laughing so hard.
@@stinkbug4321, I don’t think you ever saw one. It is not a short roll, and it stops only when there is no more clean part to use. I remember them well.
Dasha, a Russian version of this movie was made in 2007 by a director named Nikita Mikhalkov. It was called "12," and is supposed to be very good. You should try to find it! In that movie, a Russian jury discusses a Chechen teenager accused of murder..
It's really good.
I've heard about this Russian version too, that it is remarkable
There was also "We The Jury" in 1996. Kelly McGillis plays the lead. Lauren Hutton puts an amazing pro-feminist spin on the racist part. Fantastic remake.
This is one of my favorite movies. It's a masterpiece and I love how every single juror manages to stand out with their own unique personality. Everything just goes so well and it's amazing how almost all of the movie takes place in a tiny locked room. You did such a great job recognizing all of the clues that were given right before things were announced. If you liked this I also think you'd really like "To Kill a Mockingbird". I hope you wind up watching that as well.
Oh yeah! Great suggestion. She would absolutely LOVE "To Kill a Mockingbird." Absolutely LOVE it.
I second that! 👍👍
I was on a jury once where someone was on trial for allowing medium-sized drug deals in his apartment. Most of the jurors thought it was an open and shut case. This movie was on my mind when I took an active part in playing devil's advocate. Things like allowing the visitors to park in his garage were made to seem by the prosecution like he was trying to hide the car and get it off the street. Maybe he let him park in the garage because his friend was afraid of getting a ticket or because there was no street parking. There were many points like that where it didn't seem to prove anything - just the lawyers blowing smoke.
I probably had them all convinced by the time we worked through all the "evidence", but it ended up being a point that wasn't even made during the trial that made the difference. I realized that, with the size of the apartment, there is no way he could have friends over sitting at his kitchen table and NOT know what was going on. There was a lot more detail to it than that, and it took a lot of talking to get down to this kernel of truth. In the end, we all voted guilty.
Jury duty is fascinating, and it is exactly because 12 people have such different perspectives that it does a good job at breaking down things presented in court.
Yes, this should be a good movie for jury people to watch before the trial begins. There needs to be at least one person in the room to remind everyone to be objective and not rush into judgement.
Someone else commented that Dasha's reaction are "innocent" and "genuine," and it reminded me that I watch several RUclips reactors who could be described as innocent but whose innocence seems to stem from living in a bubble with a deliberately narrow, closed minded perspective on life and humanity. On the other hand, Dasha's innocence comes from limited life experience due to her youth, but she approaches movies with a pure, unbiased perspective and an open mind that readily grasps the kind of nuances, gray areas and ideas that challenge prevailing beliefs that confound those other reactors because they don't fit neatly into their biases.
Eloquently put and, to my eye, very accurate. She is actually WATCHING , with mind, heart and eye, not just "reacting" frivolously.
I agree. Dasha is very insightful in her reactions as well. Honest with her emotions, and adorable, lol.
I'm not "innocent" in this context, and my guess is none of us in the comments sees themselves that way. I prefer "open-minded". "Innocent" has implications I wouldn't want to impart that "open-minded" doesn't, regardless of the intent of whom says it. An open-minded person pats the head of the innocent one. Just my opinion.
Charge me and put me in court for murder, and then I'll say I'm innocent, but that's a different context.
Dasha is one of the more intelligent and attentive reactors on YT.
Well said.
Dasha talked over one of the best moments in the film, I hope she noticed Fonda helping Cobb with his coat as they prepared to leave.
She missed a ton. We also don't have the "You don't really mean you'll kill me, do you?" line. Unfortunate.
Yes. That was a nice touch with the coat assist. Ironically, although the movie explored issues of discrimination it was a jury of 12 men.
@@luciusaquila4326 That's how it was back then. Changed later,as we all know.
“Those people“ that they are referring to in this drama are Puerto Ricans, many of whom came to who live in New York City. When the others turn their back on the man who rants against “them“ it is because they are disagreeing with his prejudice.
No, it's poor people in general. That's why the other guy takes it personal and says he's lived in the slums too.
They keep "those people" deliberately vague so you can insert any disadvantaged group you want. You never hear the defendant's name, and in the stage version you never see the defendant. That's intentional.
@@gregoryeatroff8608 good points!
The final scene is profound. Two strangers, after going through such an ordeal, shake hands and give their names....and then they part ways to go back to their "normal lives".
And most likely never to see each other again
I love how you got swept into the excitement of the movie. This is one of my favorite movies---tremendous script, superb direction, and probably the greatest ensemble acting achievement ever. All of the actors were major stars, rising stars, or well-known character actors.
In his autobiography, Henry Fonda talked about how difficult this production was, which was why he didn’t want to produce ever again. They had endless grueling rehearsals (subjected to real heat) to get the movement of the actors and the cameras just right. It was a nightmare. Also, I seem to recall that several of the big-name actors had other commitments, creating a deadline problem.
If you ever serve on a jury, Dasha, I urge you to dissuade them from taking a preliminary vote. People get locked into defending their position when that is done. Talking first is better.
9:46 Dasha you are the 2nd reactor that has mentioned the hand towel unit so is how it works. There are 2 drums inside, 1 the dispenser drum with clean unused towel & the other is the receiver drum that collects the used section. As people pull out a clean section from 1 drum it is collected on the other drum until you can't pull out any more at which point a new drum of clean towel needs to be put in. The towel is disconnected from the now empty drum which is moved to the collector position & a drum with a clean towel inserted into the dispenser slot, the towel connected to the receiving drum & ready to use again. The dirty towel is sent away to be washed for reuse, I believe we should go back to this system as it has no wasted paper.
Second, you mean all. All generation 'Z' reactors react the old cloth dispenser the same. It is just alien technology to them.
Dasha I’ll Tell you something you probably already know. Back in the day they didn’t have CGI, auto tune, reshoots and hundreds million dollar budgets. All the had was a script, a camera and actors. So they had to work harder. Many of my favorite movies are old school because they are filled with raw talent. Something we don’t see much of today…and we’ll never see again.
Juries are now more diverse and better screened for racism, but the underlying premise remains: you pick random people who don't know each other, different lives, different histories, forced into a room, forced to talk, and come together to make a decision about another's life.
1 m is just over 3 feet.
12 feet is 4 meters.
43 feet is 13 meters.
The L is an Elevated train, a train that runs between buildings above streets.
It is simple, relatable and human. It's proof that a story told well can hold your attention no matter how old it looks.
A few Comments about the cast..Henry Fonda was a screen legend...Played men of dignity, sterngth and compassion for 40 years. His children, Jane and Peter, also went on to become Oscar-Wining actors. AngryJuror, ( Lee J.Cobb) was great at playing guys you loved to hate. Jack Warden, Jack Klugman and the juror foreman went on to Movie, T.V and Stage Awards for their future work. Director Sidney Lumet's first Oscar nomination as a direcctor, by the 70's he was one of the biggest. Loved your reactions to this AFI top-100 film, still a good lesson today for anyone working the legal system.
My junior high school Social Studies class acted out the script and discussed the legal and sociological themes brought up in the play.
I definitely agree with all those suggesting to kill a mockingbird, one of the greatest American films (and novel)
It is great how universal this movie is. It is more than 60 years old and it is still very relevant to everybody - doesn't matter if you live in USA or anywhere else.
Great job Dasha! By my count you have now done 6 1/2 black and white movies, including this one. Those being: This one (obviously), Casablanca, Night of the Living Dead, Psycho,, Young Frankenstein, and Clerks. The half is The Wizard of Oz. Keep up the great work.
Did you notice that the movie doesn't reveal any of the characters' names until the very end, when two of them introduce themselves to each other on the courthouse steps?
Another interesting thing is how the jurors brought their own life experiences into the room. The oldest juror, who had trouble getting attention and respect from some of the other jurors, understood the motivation of the old man in testifying the way he did. The guy from the slum, who had actually witnessed knife fights. The smallest juror, who brought up the question of how the defendant could have made the particular knife wound while being so much shorter. The juror who once lived next to the el tracks and knew how loud the trains could be.
Director Sidney Lumet started the movie with mostly overhead shots. As the story went on, he used lower and lower camera angles, and also more close-ups, to make the room feel smaller.
12 Angry Men was Sidney Lumet's first film for theatrical release (he had done work for TV previously). He made several other really great movies, including The Pawnbroker (1964), Fail Safe (1964), Serpico (1973), Murder on the Orient Express (1974), Dog Day Afternoon (1975), Network (1976), The Verdict (1982), and Before the Devil Knows You're Dead (2007). Dog Day Afternoon is a favorite of mine.
Other black-and-white movies you would probably like: Some Like It Hot (1959), The Apartment (1960), The Third Man (1949), Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb (1964), and The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (1948). For Christmas I suggest It's a Wonderful Life (1946) and Miracle on 34th Street (1947).
Here's some trivia for you: John Savoca played the unnamed defendant. This was his only film role and he's only on screen for a few seconds! Yet, his "performance" is exceptional, setting the tone for the rest of the film.
One of the greatest films ever. Absolutely riveting.
The writer, Reginald Rose, created a great television series called The Defenders. It's posted online.
@@teastrainer3604 And it starred the great EG Marshall (Juror #4)
TOWEL THING!!!!
I went for MANY years thinking the cloth towel thing just returned itself over and over, maybe cleaning it a little somehow. It's actually like a 100 foot long roll that winds from one spool to the other, then is replaced with a clean one. You don't ever have to touch someone's dirty used portion.
There's a clever moment in the script when the juror who wants to get to the baseball game says about the old man making it to his door..."Walk, run, what's the difference? He got on, didn't he? I mean, he got there...." 'He got on' is a baseball term for when a batter reaches base ...
The fan is also hooked into the main light switch..it isn’t broken..and without the fan, it is hot in the room..in 1957, very few buildings were equipped with air conditioning…large department stores were the first to have it…hospital didn’t even have AC…most homes just had fans…and open windows with window screens …even a screen door…to let air in..
Future TV stars: E.G. Marshall (#4) would star as a lawyer! in TV's The Defenders (1961-1965) w/ Robert Reed (the dad on The Brady Bunch) (and Joseph Sweeney (#9) would play a judge! on two episodes of The Defenders). Jack Klugman (#5) would go on to TV's The Odd Couple (1970-1975) and later Quincy M.E. (1976-1983). Lee J. Cobb (#3) (already an accomplished Hollywood actor) would become a regular on TV Western The Virginian (from 1962-1966).
George Voskovec (#11) was primarily a stage actor, with tons of experience. I remember walking past Lincoln Center in NY (March, '77) and seeing his name on the billboard outside for the current production of Chekov's "The Cherry Orchard". I said to myself "oh,man...its' Juror #11!" Now I wish I had bought a ticket.
Ed Begley won an Oscar and fathered Ed Begley Jr., best known for decades of TV work.
Cobb is the mob boss in "On the Waterfront" and the detective in "The Exorcist." Died quite young.
This is how you write a movie especially one that comments on society. Every character is a character, not just a stereotype. Even if you disagree with every word they say, you can still feel their humanity. Right or wrong, they're people.
the greatest part of this movie...is when Henry Fonda helps (Lee J Cobb) put on his jacket... and pats him on the shoulder...
Dasha, if you liked this film you might considers watching "To Kill a Mockingbird" (1962) based on a novel by the same name It also has an interesting court/crime element to it.. very close to this.
Once you see the older gentleman vote not guilty, you realize he was really slow to raise his hand as guilty in the initial quick show of hands vote at the start. It's actually a scientific fact that humans go along with a group so they don't stand out, so your comment about people raising their hands because others did is probably what happened with him in that instance. Brilliant movie that is all about the writing and natural storytelling. Nothing is force-fed to us and reveals itself as we need to see it. Yeah, the guy they isolated by walking away from the table was speaking out of hate, not facts. There were hints all movie that he is very racist.
I read that as the movie progresses they made the set smaller and used different camera lenses to increase the sense of tension and claustrophobia. The one thing you can see easily in your reaction is the movie starts with lots of wide and group shots and by the end has closeups on each character. A really subtle way to draw the viewer in that they are not easily aware of during the final arguments.
This movie is a shining example about, how people should take their jury duty. This movie should be a part of mandatory training before a jury duty
RE: The Towel dispenser. Yeah, you don't actually end up using dirty towel. There's a continuous roll inside of clean, and a roll inside of dirty, like ends of a scroll, and the crank mechanism rolls/unrolls to the clean. Then the whole thing gets taken out, and changed, while the old gets laundered. There were still a couple of these left when I was a kid. Now it's mostly air blowers.
Something I have noticed about black and white movies is that it doesn't take much time into the movie to stop thinking about it being in black and white. If the story and characters are good, it doesn't matter.
It always matters; it's a deliberate artistic choice if the director envisions every frame in black & white vs color. A choice b/c movies were shot shot in color when this was made. What would this movie gain from color?
@@helvete_ingres4717 I was referring to a young 2024 audience not being turned off by the lack of color.
I had a girlfriend who would complain if the movie started and it was B&W. Then, ten minutes in, she totally forgot about it.
So glad how much you liked this Dasha. It makes sense though since you like the board game Clue and the movie Clue. You're definitely an analytical thinker which is why you love these type of movies.
The definition of an analytical thinker is: (A person driven by curiosity to get to the bottom of things and solve a problem or find an answer). Analytical personalities embrace problems that require extensive research or examination; they are process-driven and are adept at breaking down large, complex issues over time.
I wore my glasses, not the same ones, since the 2nd grade. I think I was 9 years old. I remember crying because I couldn't pass the vision test. I always take them off when I go to bed, because I don't want to wake up to bent glasses.
Dasha brought something to this reaction that I haven’t seen from any other reactor-sensitivity to the issue of not being a native English speaker, and how that might have played a role. It was not stated that the accused was Puerto Rican, but the prejudiced juror clearly thought that “they” were inferior, whatever the ethnic group. I imagine the writers and director left it vague intentionally. If an immigrant, with English as a second language, the accused may have been at a disadvantage in a police grilling upon his arrest, and indeed might have had more difficulty remembering details of movies he saw. He may also have not understood all the arguments made against him in court. It’s even possible there was a language barrier between him and his lawyer. We don’t know for sure, but it shows that each juror brings their own experiences and sensitivities to bear. If Dasha was on the jury, some of these language issues might have been raised and discussed. I think we can all imagine what sort of juror we would be, and how our own experiences might have changed the dynamic in the room. Well done Dasha! Join the club of people who appreciate this film for the masterpiece that it is.
Great movie. All these actors were famous in their own right and to have them all in one movie, what a treat. This movie is just as relevant today as it was back then and it's interesting to see how we still battle over many of the same things and ideas.
Perhaps because I grew up in theatre, I always loved this type of movies which felt more like a theatrical play than regular movies. As for this particular one, it's a great one indeed.
I liked your reaction and I am glad you enjoyed it too.
Thank you for sharing.
OK, finished it. What's great about this movie - aside from the performances - is that it showcases the way the USA criminal trial system is supposed to work.
Presumption of Innocence is one of the greatest concepts ever applied to Law. For most of human history such a concept did not exist. Sadly, in many parts of the world it still does not exist, and people can be killed over mere accusation alone.
This movie demonstrates the importance of the Presumption of Innocence, but it also shows us the fallibility of man. Even with the correct legal system in place, jurors must still contend with bias, distraction, apathy, and more. The 12 juror system allows for a myriad of personalities to deliberate over the case and come to a decision. IMO, this is the best way mankind has developed to judge the accused. It's not perfect, but the best.
Too often we take for granted just how unjust people have had it, and how lucky we are today. We should not lose what took us so long to achieve.
This film is more than just a movie, it is a commentary on justice and the system of justice, as well as the fallibility of man. It is also a commentary of the power of just a single man's devotion to truth.
Glad you saw this one, Dasha.
The film also showcases what NOT to do in a criminal trial.
1. A juror does NOT bring in a second "murder weapon". That is grounds for a mistrial.
2. The jury was at times arguing whether the boy was "innocent". A jury is not supposed to do that. The discussion should always be about the accused being Guilty or Not-Guilty (or more accurately, "Not Proven Guilty).
Movies always have their embellishments, don't they?
I don't believe the embellishments detract from the importance of the message, however.
@@Stogie2112 Most people don't distinguish between "innocent" and "not guilty". In Scotland there's a third possible verdict, "not proven" (in fact "not guilty" in Scotland was originally "jury nullification", where the jury doesn't like the law/outcome so refuse to convict regardless of the case being "proven")
@@nac5901 .... In the USA, people are generally not well-educated about the Law and legal concepts and definitions. There is a huge legal difference between "Innocent" and "Not Guilty".
People get upset every day because prosecutors drop charges against suspects, specifically because there isn't enough evidence to convict them. People must educate themselves about the Law.
I have served on a jury, it is amazing how different an actual trial is from how it is portrayed in film. "12 Angry Men" is still an amazing film, one of the classics.
In previous reactions, commenters mentioned how the camera angles change throughout the movie. This is the 1st time I noticed it. Starts with the camera above the eye-line of the characters. Then is even. Then, below the eye-line. Really well done. That subtle change is profound in effect.
The towel was tugged on..pulled on a little bit so more clean towel would un-roll while the used wet towel rolled back in on another roller…maybe once or twice a week someone would come and change it to new clean towels…every public bathroom had them…every public building..had them..they were common…like,the companies today that bring,clean uniforms or,clean towels for businesses…
Yeah this has been my favorite movie since I was about 14... The interaction with each of these men that really were Great Character Supporting Roles; for them to put together such a Great Job is amazing...
THATS what the older movies great , they didn't rely on special effects they took more time and care and rely on the actors
This is misplaced nostalgia.
There were plenty of films from this era that relied on special effects to tell their stories, and there are plenty of films made today that take their time to tell a story, and rely on the performances of the actors. You just have to seek them out.
@@richiecleanhe isn’t wrong.
I believe that he is referring to the modern emphasis on the explosions, sound effects, gore, action and CGI to make money.
Back then they still had to rely on scripts and acting to tell a story
@@shawnmiller4781 he is wrong and so are you.
Ben Hur, The Ten Commandments, The Day The Earth Stood Still, 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea; these are all films that relied heavily on special effects, made lots of money and were made in the same decade as 12 Angry Men.
Big budget, effects driven movies have always been popular, and while 12 Angry Men was critically acclaimed, it didn't do all that well at the domestic Box Office.
Exactly the same sort of pattern we see today, where in general big budget films with wide appeal make the most money at the box office, and smaller scale, character driven stories tend to receive more critical acclaim than box office returns.
There are always exceptions, of course, but both you the OP appear to have fallen for the lazy "they don't make 'em like they used to" nonsense which is, quite frankly, bullshit.
It's also worth mentioning that a LOT of crap films were made in the 50s, just as with every other decade, but nobody talks about them because, well, they aren't worth remembering.
@@richieclean and yet they all had much better written scripts than the goddamn drivel modern "blockbusters" are presenting us with... while they may have relied on effects, they weren't conceptualized around stupid set pieces that basically just end up as time fillers
@@stefanforrer2573 No they didn't.
The ones that were good and had good scripts are the ones people remember. The vast majority are forgotten.
You know there used to be double feature movie bills? Two films for every showing. Where are all those B features now? Where are the vast majority of the "A" movies? Nobody remembers them because they weren't that good.
It's like pop music - there was a *ton* of dreck back in the day which nobody remembers because it was so awful.
Dasha, in the 1100s, a Jewish legal theorist name Maimonides wrote that "it is better and more satisfactory to acquit a thousand guilty persons than to put a single innocent one to death."
Didn't know that. I thought William Blackstone was the first to express that sentiment m
This is one of my favorite movies so I'm always interested when I see somebody reacting to it. Your reaction was absolutely spot on and very fun to watch. By the way the "El" that They spoke about refers to elevated trains and they are just that.There are trains that run on tracks that are elevated above the street actually over the top of the street. I grew up in the Tri State area ,so I've actually seen elevated trains in Queens NY and other places
Twelve great actors in one room with a flawless screenplay
It pleases me that people Dasha's age are watching and recognizing the brilliance of this movie. To me it's one of those "perfect" movies and proves even classic B&W movies stand the test of time.
Reaction channels are important as they ensure that old films are introduced to later generations.
9:54 It's not the same one. it's a roll of cloth that you pull down to get a clean section, when you pull it down the wheels inside the box pull the used bit of cloth up to a different part of the box. it goes on till the clean cloth is used up then they change it for a fresh one. They didn't know everything we know know about health (ie just how bad cigarettes are for you) but they still knew the importance of fresh towels.
I've used those machines.
There is a Russian remake of this movie called 12. I believe it was made around 2007. In this version, a jury of 12 men decide whether a Chechen boy murdered his stepfather. I love 12 Angry Men so much that I was interested in this remake. 12 was definitely worth watching.
What’s so important about their verdict is that they didn’t conclude that the boy hadn’t killed his father, but that there was reasonable doubt that he had. That’s all that matters for a jury, which is why it’s great that film never shows the audience what actually happened that night. A jury rarely has such information.
I have served on a jury once. It was a short case, pretty simple, the prosecution did not have enough evidence to conclusively prove their point and we were done in under two hours, mostly just to summarize the facts and dissect them. Despite that, it was still quite interesting and kind of exhilarating to take part in, I'd recommend it to just about anyone.
This movie remains a high point of simple cinema. There are no special effects, no car chases, no romantic overtones, no fight scenes, unless you count verbal fights and some light restraining... it's shot in black & white and aside from a few establishing shots at the beginning and end, it takes place in one room (two if you want to include the restroom). It's a completely riveting movie despite all of that. Truly amazing.
'El' is short for 'elevated' - - trains, part of the subway system, that run above street level, on a platform above the street. There is also an 'L' shuttle train in NYC.
Дашенька, молодец что посмотрела "12 разгневанных мужчин" . Лично я смотрю этот фильм каждые пару лет. Это одно из величайших произведений мирового кинематографа.
Thank you for this. These are the sorts of movies that I enjoy seeing people react to. I am not interested in jump scares or CGI. Interesting characters doing interesting things played by actors who know their craft, that is what I like. It is so gratifying to see younger people realizing the value of great art.
Every one of these guys had been on the Broadway stage at one point in their careers. One (Henry Fonda) was an Academy Award winner and couple were Tony winners.
Once I was on a hung jury and it was no fun, but I was glad I was there. It was surprised that many people were so emotionally invested in getting closure for the victim's family that they could not objectively examine the evidence. After declaring a mistrial, the judge came a spoke to us, disclosing facts he could not allow in at the trial, and affirming that we did well in not convicting.
From personal experience, I sympathize with the witnesses. I learned that time I was a witness in court that it is not easy to give testimony contra the expectations of the public perception because you don't want to be disbelieved and in your head you assume there will be awkward questions if you don't agree with the official statement and reality is that everyone just wants it to be over quickly. That is how witnesses end up identifying the wrong suspects because they tend to place more value on the assumption of the majority than their own memory. Happened to me, even as the injured party with good sight of the perpetrator, I had a hard time telling them that the accused was not him. I eventually did tell the truth but I started to mistrust my own recollection because everyone assumed they got the guy.
10:35 tic tac toe is the name you’re looking for
Noughts-and-crosses in the UK.
16:13 There's almost always room for doubt, the question is whether it qualifies as 'reasonable doubt'; that definition is inherently subjective for each juror, the only parameters being that there is more than a 'preponderance of evidence' that someone is guilty, but less than absolute certainty. The movie does a good job of portraying the different standards of what each juror regards as 'reasonable' (excepting the two who didn't care about evidence, and the one guy who didn't care about anything except going to the ballgame), as well as how much weight different people lend to different types of evidence.
If you liked that movie, you might check out another very intense movie from the same director, with some of the same actors, called "Fail-Safe" (1964). Being a Russian, you will probably find it even more fascinating.
I second that. "Fail Safe" is one of my all-time favorite movies. That movie never gets the recognition it deserves, probably because it came out at the same time as "Dr. Strangelove."
Three more classic black and white movies that you would love are “On the Waterfront,” “To Kill a Mockingbird,” and “The Last Picture Show.”
Juror No.8 was played by Hollywood legend, Henry Fonda. Fonda was always the good-guy in movies. Always. His portrayal of Tom Joad in Steinbeck's "The Grapes of Wrath" gives me goosebumps just thinking about it. And then, after many decades of portraying the good guy, he portrayed the bad guy in Sergio Leone's "Once Upon a Time in the West". Wow; chills. Blood freezing chills!!! I guess it was all the more impactful because of his previous persona. Quite the actor.
For people who live in a system that does not have jury trials, this is a good lesson for the purpose of them. Each juror brings something different to the table. In this instance we can see the influence of this. The old man understands and notices things most don't. The Architect is an engineer and engineers look at things much differently than salesmen. While it is far from perfect, the jury system is far more likely to decide correctly. But it is a lot of work, a lot of soul-searching and vitally important.
There's a lot to be argued about jury trials. For cases like this, I agree, it can be very good. I'm not sure that I necessarily agree in general though. There are a lot of cases where juries either end up doing wrong or just end up being unable to decide anything.
"El" would be a short version of the term elevated train, that runs above street level. The bathroom towel is a relic of a bygone time. A tightly rolled cloth towel that could be pulled down to expose a clean section while the used part retracted inside.
The dialogue is superb, but the pacing of the film is what makes it special. It's SO good at keeping you invested in a scene, then they make a new point and connect them flawlessly. The legal stuff is irrelevant (in that laws change over time and place), but the examination of how people make decisions and whether they can change is still appropriate today.
The absence of female jurors in this movie MAY have something to do with the time period the movie is set in. The 1950s was part of the American era of "women stayed at home, cooked, did the laundry, took care of the kid(s), shopped"; not quite into the multi-car family era yet, so she wasn't "mobile" or in the labor pool. Big changes were in the works: the Women's Movement of the late 1960s and through the 1970s and onward changed so much in U.S. society. You did a wonderful job reacting to this movie, one of the best from Hollywood in the 1950s
Plus, it's much more convenient to have only men, especially since it gives the film a concise title.
I've been loving this movie since 1997-and you are the first person I have ever heard make the point that Juror Number 8 has to ask for the evidentiary knife to be brought into the room if his planned presentation of his own, similar knife is to have its intended dramatic effect on the other jurors.
It's 2/3 of a century old and still an excellent film. I'm so glad that you're open to watching this. There are so many excellent classic films that are black and white that are worth watching.
One thing that is very rewarding about watching older films is you get to see the influences on the newer films. It is cool to see how various films across decades and countries influence each other in so many ways.
"The El" is short for Elevated train, so yes, kind of like any subway, but on elevated tracks. Usually you see that in places where there's an issue with the water table or the road layout being a problem.
I was on 2 drunk driving juries. One we convicted and one we acquitted. Both were borderline cases. The difference between the two was in the second case the prosecutor did a lousy job and the defense attorney was very good. The defense attorney broke own the cops testimony without insulting the cop or law enforcement. Overall it was a good experience, everyone took it seriously.
One thing people don't realize is that, in the American legal system, as soon as the door of jury room closes the jury *is* the law. Jurors can rule guilty, not guilty, and even "in this case the law is wrong".
Very true. A jury can and does ignore all the facts and acquit/convict the accused.
One painful truth of our criminal justice system is that all you have to do is convince the jury to side with you. The facts and the truth don’t really matter.
1) THE KNIFE
The knife could have fallen out of the boy's pocket as he was leaving his apartment, heading to the movies.
That fits the timeline: The boy left his apartment at 11:30pm to go to the movies, and he said the knife fell through a hole in his pocket sometime between then - 11:30, when he left to go to the movies - and when he got back home at 3:10 in the morning.
"JUROR 4: Now what happened to the knife? He claims that it fell through a hole in his pocket on the way to the movies, sometime between 11:30 and 3:10, and that he never saw it again. ... No one in the house saw him go out at 11:30."
The knife could have fallen out of the boy's pocket right outside the apartment's front door, as the door was closing. He would not have heard it hit the floor because of the noise of the door closing. And if we assume he should have felt the knife fall past his ankle, the fact that he was twisting to close the door could also explain that - he thought what he felt was just his pants touching his ankle as he was twisting.
This scenario puts the knife at the scene of the crime to begin with. There is no need to try to explain how the knife got from someplace else to the particular apartment. For example, there is no need to try to explain how some stranger - who doesn't know the boy or the father, or where they live - found the knife blocks away on the street and just so happened to walk to the father's apartment.
Where the father lived was a slum so just about anyone - homeless people, drug dealers, pimps, robbers, home invaders, anyone - could have walked inside the building and found the knife on the floor right outside the father's door. It could even have been someone who lived in the same building and who hated the father (for example, because this other person knew the father used his fists to beat the son, beating the son all the time). This bum/thug/robber/neighbor finds the knife outside the door on the floor and says something ("sweet knife!") or makes some noise when picking it up and flipping it open. The father hears some noise outside his front door and opens it, only to be confronted with a bum/thug/robber/neighbor with an open switchblade knife: that person forces his way into the apartment and a fight ensues. The stabbing occurs ... with the bum/thug/robber/neighbor doing it the wrong way (from above, down and in, instead of upward and with an underhand motion, as the son probably would have done since he was very handy with knives).
There were no fingerprints on the knife (and forensic DNA analysis was not available yet), so there was no forensic evidence showing the boy was holding the murder weapon when the stabbing occurred, or even that the boy ever held that particular knife. Heck, there isn't even any forensic evidence showing that the murder weapon was the same knife the boy bought: it could have been just a similar-looking knife, like the one juror 8 bought at a pawn shop just 2 blocks from the boy's place. The only evidence indicating the two knives were the same knife is that the friends identified the knife the police showed them as the one the boy had shown them the previous night. But without a serial number or something else definitive, no one could positively identify the two knives as being the same one, only that the knife the cops showed them looked - from memory, from hours before - very much like it. Even juror 3 (the final holdout) confused the knife juror 8 had bought with the knife used in the murder.
NOTE: Heck, it's not impossible that one of the boy's friends killed the father. The friend could have hated the boy's father, because the father used his fists to beat the son (that is, the friend's friend) all the time. The friend could have waited for the boy to go to the movies, then knocked on the father's door, rushed the father, and stabbed him. The friend (1) could have just so happened to already have a knife similar to the one the boy bought that night, or (2) maybe when the friend saw the boy's knife that night he liked it, and after the boy left the group of friends, the friend went to a pawn shop and bought one similar to it, or (3) as above, the knife could have fallen out of the boy's pocket right outside the front door of the father's apartment and the friend found it when he went to the father's door, picked it up, and then confronted the father.
I suggest you watch ''It's a Wonderful Life''. For me it's on the same level with 12 Angry Men and it's also one of the most important movies for a person to see. It's also the best Christmas movie of all time.
This is one of my favorite movies, and it is basically just 12 guys in a room talking, but they made it exciting! Fabulous movie with a fabulous cast and a fabulous story!
Dasha, so glad you’ve experienced this iconic film.🎉 Sasha, there’s another film the director Sidney Lumet made later called The Verdict with one of the actors in 12 Angry Men and Paul Newman. It’s an excellent court room drama also.
I've been on two juries. The yelling doesn't happen but in one trial deliberations went on for three full days. It was exhausting. First vote was 10-2 guilty. Me and another guy voted not guilty. We wore down the other jurors and eventually the defendant was found not guilty on 60+ counts of conspiracy to commit tax fraud
Just a little comment from a geezer. All who end up loving the film. The Director was Sidney Lumet -Network, Dog Day Afternoon - watch how he starts everything looking down at everything. High angle. As things progress, the camera moves lower and lower. Low angle. The change in perspective is undetectable, but it reflects the changing perspective of the jury
The director, Sidney Lumet, had done some television work, but this was his first time as a movie director. Despite that, he did an excellent job and went on to have a long and distinguished career as a movie director.
This is my all time favorite film. They did a remake years ago that followed the same script and filming style as the original. It was decent with some great actors cast in the juror roles but the original is still the best.
A big reason why a lot of juries were mostly male at the time was that the lists were made from registered voter lists. While women were allowed to vote since 1920, many did not register to do so. Many women didn't do so since they didn't want to serve on jury duty, especially in northern states. Additionally, at the time, some areas did not allow women to serve on murder trials or other serious abuse cases, to "protect them from emotional distress" from the evidence like photographs, coroner's reports, etc.
Plus staying home with the kids was accepted as a valid reason to be excused
With much more stay at home moms at the time most women would be excused on those grounds alone.
Also, the attorneys always came up with “reasons” to exclude dark-skinned people from serving on juries.
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Which has what to do with anything?
@@o.b.7217 .... You don't understand why my comment is relevant to the discussion? That's unfortunate.
Look up the trial of the Scottsboro Boys (1931) and then ask yourself why all-white male juries were a problem.
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This thread is about why *women* were absent from the jury (which was the question Dasha asked).
Then you started with "reasons why *dark-skinned people* " were excluded.
Women - dark skinned people.
You're able to see the difference?
Many shows of the time were filmed in color but released in b&w because over 90% of American homes had b&w tvs. The Wizard of Oz, Gone With the Wind, and The Andy Griffith show are perfect examples.
Darling Dasha, I hope this encouraged yiou to watch and react to more B+W movies. The lack of colour on the screen does not remove the rainbow of experiences awaiting you. For more "Courtroom drama", try Witness for the prosecution; for suspense try any Hitchcock movie (especially Psycho). For comedy try Dr Strangelove. The list goes on and on.
I have loads of 30's, 40s and 50s black-&-white movies from the famous to the obscure. You soon forget you're watching in B&W, even though the true, high-contrast film-noirs use it so effectively.
10:40 it’s called “tic tac toe” 😊
14:31 a very rough conversion from feet to meters is every 3.5ish feet is about 1meter, so 15 feet = 4.5-ish meters (in school we learned that 1 meter was just over 3 feet)
This movie has one of the best casts ever assembled.
One of the best movies ever. I wish this was required to watch before serving jury duty.
43ft is 13m roughly. Dasha, when trying to convert ft to m, divide by three, it'll be close enough as a loose estimate for a movie. Also, a yard is close to a meter. Don't bother with decimal places. Think about grocery store in the US, we sell 2 liter bottles of soda (also 1 liter), yet still sell 1/2 gallons of milk. Soda was rarely sold in big bottles in imperial units and stayed metric. Milk was never sold in metric and remains imperial. However, federal law states that all food is marked in both imperial and metric. Some things it doesn't matter. When buying a can of soup, we don't buy it for ounces or ml. We buy because a recipe calls for a can of soup. The US is gradually changing to metric, but that process is VERY expensive. A single highway sign costs $10,000 - multiply that across the thousands of miles that span this country. Most motors on the other hand, use metric bolts and measurements these days due to the fact that we import parts. It may take a hundred years or more to disperse the costs. Cars have both settings for MPH and KPH. Same with fuel in gallons/liters - but our pumps can only price gallons. Mostly, when the government tried to convert they made a huge mistake - they tried to tell people to calculate using math. Most people bad at math (yet capable of the basic arithmetic involved) instantly hated it and pushed back. That being said, a lot of things are metric - medical/medicine is all metric, engines, space, engineering for airplanes, military specs, some clothing specs, and much more. There's more to work on. It will take time and money.
Sacha has a beautiful soul. I don't know what her career aspirations are but she would make a good teacher, psychologist, architect, designer or whatever else she fancies.
Hopefully this will encourage you to watch more older movies. This is back in the day when there wasn't CGI special effects, or huge action budgets and so they were written better because that's all there was. You might also like "A Patch of Blue", "The Heart is a Lonely Hunter", "Lilies of the Field", "To Sir with Love", "To Kill a Mockingbird", "The Defiant Ones", "In the Heat of the Night", "Treasure of the Sierra Madre", "What Ever Happened to Baby Jane", "Suset Boulevard", "The African Queen".... the list is very long.
@20:05 The movie did this in a somewhat subtle manner so a lot of people miss it sixty years later. When this guy is talking about "they," "them," and "those people," he's talking about Italian or possibly Puerto Rican immigrants (I actually think Italian), groups that a lot of prejudice was directed towards during the time this film was made. That racial bias has pretty much evaporated in the US in the many decades that have passed since this time period so younger people watching this film often don't pick up that this is what is being referred to in the film. When everyone turns their back on this guy, it's because they are rejecting his bigotry. When the "watchmaker" states he grew up in a "slum," it's because he is also an immigrant.
Hands up who's served on a jury? 👋
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I HAVE.
2012.
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I was surprised (in fact Shocked!) to realise how close this film was to reality.
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The range from Diligent, paying attention, taking notes, then active in the jury discussion with logical points,
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"I just think"
(both ways, no "reason")
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"I'm not telling you why, just "
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"I just want to get out of here" (!)
was.... Nothing short of disturbing.
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Gave a whole new perspective to this film, which I had seen.
Such an excellent movie. We learn everything we need to learn through dialogue, talking. No exposition dump bs like every other movie today.
One of the best films I've ever seen, no special effects required and takes place primarily in one room!
. This is my favorite "old time" movie. Another similar movie from the same year is "Witness For the Prosecution". It received six Academy Award nominations, including Best Picture.
"He should be an advokat!" Nice to hear you say this. :)