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  • @fourwheeltrader
    @fourwheeltrader  4 года назад +7

    *Which car would you like to see analysed next?*

    • @vaibhavpothireddy8808
      @vaibhavpothireddy8808 4 года назад

      Subaru Wrx please!

    • @jeffsena9140
      @jeffsena9140 4 года назад +5

      Porsche Cayenne

    • @allennf8186
      @allennf8186 4 года назад +3

      Porsche Panamera

    • @allennf8186
      @allennf8186 4 года назад

      @@vaibhavpothireddy8808 The Subaru Wrx is lame, you mean STI? the value is a straight line for sure, and then it goes back up based on the year, seen like the 2005-2007 holds value pretty well

    • @MS-1994
      @MS-1994 4 года назад

      4- person Ferraris... 612, FF, GTC4Lusso

  • @learntobestill8671
    @learntobestill8671 4 года назад +31

    The research methodology in this video is better than many PhD dissertations out there.

  • @haciendadad
    @haciendadad 4 года назад +4

    Best channel I think I found all year! It blends my three favorite pass times, cars I want to buy next, technology and saving money!!!! Car dealerships need to all be watching this channel!!

  • @Lamborghini_huracan610
    @Lamborghini_huracan610 4 года назад +14

    Great timing for the video, I’m currently looking to buy Macan

  • @DoctaM3
    @DoctaM3 4 года назад +17

    Always love your methodology. Your scientific approach is truly of great value-you should have way more followers & views. Thanks for doing these analyses.

    • @fourwheeltrader
      @fourwheeltrader  4 года назад +1

      Thanks

    • @haciendadad
      @haciendadad 4 года назад

      I agree, you should try to seek out another YT channel to see if you can get a mention, or share your data in their car reviews and give you a plug! The car reviewers that come to mind are Alex on Autos, he is very thorough and detailed, he would be my first guess, then SavageGeese, possibly StraightPipes? I would appeal to them by mentioning that you think you have something good to offer but no one knows about your channel because you have so few subs. Maybe they will empathize being in your position and maybe they can pay it forward and help you out. I would only target channels with huge followings! I would recommend Scotty Kilmer too, he has a huge following!! Also, maybe pitch to them that they can do follow up reviews on older models too using your data. You need a symbiotic relationship with them if it is possible! Good luck!!

    • @mattchannel7075
      @mattchannel7075 3 года назад

      @@fourwheeltrader just found your Channel - wow I love your approach, quite unique. Thanks!

  • @gprufino
    @gprufino 2 года назад +3

    Hi there, can you please do another Macan depreciation and buying guide since it's been over two years since the last one? Thanks!

  • @TheRegulator
    @TheRegulator 9 месяцев назад +1

    I used this video to purchase my 2015 Macan Turbo a little over a year ago! Thank you so much!
    I would love an updated analysis, particularly for the Turbo trim 🙂.

  • @TheShaunsc
    @TheShaunsc Год назад +1

    Interesting looking at this 2 years later… can’t wait to see what new Electric Macan does to the used market.

  • @joshhayes3433
    @joshhayes3433 3 года назад +11

    That change in price at 2017 isn't because of Sport Chrono, you could get that on a 2015 or 2016, it's because the 2017 introduced the GTS model and slightly refreshed the dash and electronics; there's a jump in all models for the 2017 model year.

    • @rickross6368
      @rickross6368 Год назад +3

      Yep, the guy has no clue what he's talking about

    • @GivThmHal
      @GivThmHal Год назад

      Porsche macan gts 2017 is a good buy for your money, tax bracket now is lower plus your getting the bigger screen with apple CarPlay mostly standard. I’m looking at one now for around 35/42k I love the Alcanterra with the red stitching 😊

    • @rickross6368
      @rickross6368 Год назад

      @@GivThmHalscreen is barely bigger, but better resolution and easier to add CarPlay, yes. But might still be a bit underwhelming. Luckily there are 12.3" chinese systems now that seem to be quite decent

    • @dieselthedumsterdog3108
      @dieselthedumsterdog3108 Год назад +1

      @@GivThmHaljust bought a 2018 GTS every option available for 30k. Stole it guy still had a 42k loan on it.

    • @TheOCDScratcher
      @TheOCDScratcher 3 месяца назад +1

      @@dieselthedumsterdog3108how many miles were on it?

  • @michaelvalentino2542
    @michaelvalentino2542 11 месяцев назад +1

    Can you do an update of your great analysis for 2023? Thank you.

  • @albundy5992
    @albundy5992 2 года назад

    I'm in the UK and bought a 2015/16 Macan S Diesel from a Porsche dealership. It comes with 30 months warranty as well :) Like this video.

  • @TheRegulator
    @TheRegulator Год назад +3

    Wow, this was an amazing, well thought out analysis! Thank you!

  • @kurtschoenrock3191
    @kurtschoenrock3191 3 года назад +1

    This is fantastic. Better than I see in many professional finance presentations.

  • @RubberChickenMan007
    @RubberChickenMan007 7 месяцев назад

    Even today, 3 years later, this is an excellent comparison. I'm picking up a 2017 Macan Turbo next week with 50k miles for $32k. It seems like a steal if the trans doesn't go out on me.

  • @ftboomer1
    @ftboomer1 4 года назад +5

    I put a request for a Macan earlier in the year. I bought a 2015 Macan Turbo and it is my favorite car. I paid 42k for a CPO car at the start of the COVID panic. I think I got a great deal on a high spec Turbo (98k MSRP). I like driving it more than my Cayman S. This is an amazing car.

    • @jonathanrenzi1102
      @jonathanrenzi1102 3 года назад

      how's the gas usage? I'm thinking of getting the same

    • @ftboomer1
      @ftboomer1 3 года назад +1

      @@jonathanrenzi1102 mid20s when driving it in normal mode and high teens in sport plus.

    • @Embrxceyourdemons
      @Embrxceyourdemons 7 месяцев назад

      How do you like the car still 3 years later? Mileage? Maintenance?

    • @ftboomer1
      @ftboomer1 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@Embrxceyourdemons still love the car. Milage is 111 now and going well. Nothing extraordinary on maintenance at all. Wife wants another car so this is about to be my primary.

    • @Embrxceyourdemons
      @Embrxceyourdemons 7 месяцев назад

      @@ftboomer1 wow that’s impressive! I’m looking into buying one that did most of its life in PA but currently in TX hopefully doesn’t have the typical rust problems.
      It’s at 75k miles

  • @warhammerfaction
    @warhammerfaction Год назад +1

    you should do another macan video since now the line up got rid of the turbo and added the T

  • @Affiliates-Corners
    @Affiliates-Corners Год назад +1

    Excellent video. I am in the market for a used certified Macan and this review is very helpful.

  • @haciendadad
    @haciendadad 4 года назад +1

    WOW, this is great data!! What a good niche this guy has for a YT channel!! Something that he can also point out is at what mileage are the cars stopped being bought/sold. No sense to buy a used Macan if it has 74k miles if they only last to 90k.

    • @spdrcr65
      @spdrcr65 3 года назад +2

      Why do you believe the car only lasts until 90K miles?

    • @haciendadad
      @haciendadad 3 года назад +1

      @@spdrcr65 If you can't find hardly any with over 100k miles, then there must be a reason. Look at Lexus, they build their cars so good they just last. BMW has some 100k miles checkup that has people so scared about the bill, they usually sell the care near 90k. Land Rovers have a bad reputation for reliability too. So I never considered a Porsche before and I am not going to buy one new, if I buy one at all. Just being prudent and trying to make the best choice for me.

    • @numbereightyseven
      @numbereightyseven 3 года назад +4

      @@haciendadad The Macan only came out in 2014, so there's only been 6 years (up to 2020) to drive them.

  • @buffordbutters6284
    @buffordbutters6284 4 года назад +7

    Please, do the Panamera!!

  • @virenk1678
    @virenk1678 3 года назад +3

    brilliant analysis

  • @ScottParisi
    @ScottParisi Год назад

    Awesome video. I got a CPO 2021 Turbo right at the end of year and it was $26,000 off original list with 13,000 miles. Seems to be in alignment with your numbers.

  • @gregoryjamesfarmer
    @gregoryjamesfarmer 3 года назад +1

    Fantastic analysis! Easy to follow and data supported. Thank you ☺️

  • @NoahBB
    @NoahBB 4 года назад +5

    Nice video! Also worth noting that the refresh in 2019 meant that the S model no longer had a V6 twin turbo, as it went to the 3.0 V6 single turbo unit shared with the Audi S4/5/6/7.

    • @haciendadad
      @haciendadad 4 года назад

      Is twin turbo better other than for more power? Are they as reliable? Was there problems with the Twin Turbo?

    • @colinbagwell7502
      @colinbagwell7502 3 года назад +2

      @@haciendadad it’s actually a different engine across the range. It has better horsepower, torque, and fuel efficiency. As far as I know, and based on consider reports, there hasn’t been any issues

  • @dustinhaba1279
    @dustinhaba1279 3 года назад

    This is a really great and graphically descriptive video. Thanks you. Subscribed.

  • @shirazpervez2405
    @shirazpervez2405 3 года назад +1

    Hey man great video! Just subscribed. I would love to see a Porsche Panamera comparison video the same way you just did this Macan video. I'm trying to figure out what's the best value when it comes to a Panmera

  • @KyleBrightman
    @KyleBrightman 4 года назад +5

    Thanks as always, Macan Turbo in the $30s sounds like a deal.

    • @totallyrandom1126
      @totallyrandom1126 4 года назад +9

      As an owner of the Macan Turbo, I drove the base Macan while getting my car serviced.......Just wow, only someone completely ignorant of cars couldn’t see the glaring differences in the vehicles like the ENGINE for example. It’s basically buying a car just to say you own a Porsche and would be alright as long as you NEVER EVER get behind the wheel of the Turbo.

    • @mous3y490
      @mous3y490 3 года назад

      @@totallyrandom1126 the gts is really just a down tuned version of the turbo right?

    • @totallyrandom1126
      @totallyrandom1126 3 года назад

      @@mous3y490 The GTS is pretty sweet as well, again can’t POSSIBLY be compared against the base model...it’s insulting really. When I ordered the Macau Turbo the GTS for 2021 wasn’t available yet because I would have been tempted as this is my second Macan Turbo....would have been a fun change up.

    • @mous3y490
      @mous3y490 3 года назад

      @@totallyrandom1126 thanks for the reply. Was looking at Audi SQ5 as no RSQ5 but the longer wheel bases don't floaty boat. So I started to look at Macans. I'm glad they still use PDKs and didn't move over to the ZF8 torque converters. Coming from Audi, The Porsche configurations gets me so dizzy! The options are nuts. I liked the turbo but after the options I might as well get a gt4 lol. But yeah it's between the turbo and the gts. What were the changes between 2020 and 2021?

    • @garfieldbennett4140
      @garfieldbennett4140 3 года назад

      @@mous3y490 I wouldn't worry about the above posters advice, as an owner of a 2018 Turbo S Cayenne and 2016 Turbo S Panamera, I can tell you I NEVER use all that power. Unless you are a total speed freak, or track enthusiast the base Porsche with your SPEC will suit you fine,
      However-
      if your buying a Turbo- get the a twin Turbo V8 over a Twin Turbo V6 -HUGE difference

  • @N.Wesselmann
    @N.Wesselmann 4 года назад +2

    Please to a video about the E63(latest gen.) and the RS7

  • @TC-ps9sd
    @TC-ps9sd 4 года назад +2

    Outstanding analysis. Thank you.

  • @charliestafford9978
    @charliestafford9978 5 месяцев назад

    Good stuff, have you got a graph that adds in the cost of fixing the oil leak from the timing chain cover?

  • @wayneli5586
    @wayneli5586 3 года назад +1

    It's a really great video! As a car fan and a student who studies data science, I do learn a lot from your video! There are many interpretation methods I never thought about. I also realize there are more coding techniques I could learn for data visualization. May I ask where did you parse the car data?

  • @FlipmasterFED
    @FlipmasterFED 3 года назад

    Great video. No one ever talks about deprecation

  • @cmagz01
    @cmagz01 Год назад

    @fourwheelrader Love the videos. Can you do this same video for the E46 M3?

  • @frankn234
    @frankn234 3 года назад +2

    Hi Enjoyed your depreciation analysis. Few Questions: 1) where do you get your depreciation data from? 2) could you compare the Audi SQ5 to the Macan S - Depreciation comparison would be great. Thanks.

    • @fourwheeltrader
      @fourwheeltrader  3 года назад

      I don't have a video yet on the SQ5, but you can find the one for the macan here: ruclips.net/video/KNv8aee0H14/видео.html

  • @tamsaif
    @tamsaif 3 года назад +1

    Impressive analysis. What is the sweet spot in terms of mileage and age to buy a GTS for best value

  • @berlinjamal
    @berlinjamal 3 года назад

    Excellent Analysis.

  • @Gjeebs
    @Gjeebs 3 года назад

    Would love to see a BMW M2 analysis

  • @saeedsaa12
    @saeedsaa12 3 года назад +1

    Amazing analysis man, you opened my eyes 👌🏻

  • @cestrian5294
    @cestrian5294 3 года назад +1

    I have just traded my Macan for another one. I lost £15k in three years which I consider pretty good.

  • @AbsolutMassager
    @AbsolutMassager 3 года назад

    Good channel, just subscribed. Love analysis! Especially since I’m torn between custom ordering a MY2022 Porsche Taycan Turbo S or stick to petrol and get my dreamcar (991.2 Turbo S) and some kind of daily like the Macan, a Panamera turbo or turbo s, a 2019+ Audi RS7 (baby Panamera) or maybe a used or demo Taycan 4S for a fun little daily but the 911 will be my 10s 1/4mile drag car for my weekending fun at the speedway.

  • @RensvanWoerkom
    @RensvanWoerkom 2 года назад

    Hi,
    Dankjewel voor deze video! Ik ben nu in de markt voor een Porsche Macan. Is deze analyse ook voor de Nederlandse markt te hanteren gelet op de hogere bpm op de 6 cilinder modellen? Om die reden keek ik naar een 4 cil. Maar misschien is een Macan S in de uiteindelijke TCO gunstiger
    Ben benieuwd hoe jij hier naar kijkt.

  • @MM-qj4kc
    @MM-qj4kc 3 года назад

    I appreciate your work sir. Thank you!

  • @66bucksky
    @66bucksky 3 года назад

    would Really LOVE to see Range Rover sport group vs Cayenne group. That would be awesome!

    • @fourwheeltrader
      @fourwheeltrader  3 года назад

      Must be your lucky day :) : ruclips.net/video/M7JZKXO_Kj8/видео.html

  • @i1pro
    @i1pro 3 года назад +1

    Excellent video. Couldn't find the same analysis for the Cayenne. It would be great to show a comparison between the macan turbo and the Cayenne Turbo. I was surprised to find them at a similar price, despite the fact that the Cayenne is 50% more expensive when new.

    • @fourwheeltrader
      @fourwheeltrader  3 года назад +1

      The curve for the cayenne turbo is visible in this video: ruclips.net/video/M7JZKXO_Kj8/видео.html
      Given the development in car prices it's likely that the curve shifted up during the last year.

  • @systemdeadlock
    @systemdeadlock Год назад

    Time for an updated video

  • @MrOharaj
    @MrOharaj 3 месяца назад

    Get the 252bhp 3.0 TDI! It's not in this list but it's the best car by MILES

  • @whosewineisitanyway3184
    @whosewineisitanyway3184 4 года назад +2

    Porsche Cayman GT4 or Spyder please. :)

  • @danrook5757
    @danrook5757 Год назад

    Ok, so is it a good time to buy or should I buy a rolex

  • @sundaydriver1013
    @sundaydriver1013 3 года назад

    Can you share out the depreciation leaderboard? Love the videos! Thanks!

  • @luxuryhomes8889
    @luxuryhomes8889 Год назад +1

    how about a 2017 Macan GTS???? is that a good one???

    • @dieseljuvy
      @dieseljuvy Год назад

      Agreed.....how does the 2017 macan GTS look on the depecriation curves as of now? Q1/2023....

  • @jackharding98
    @jackharding98 10 месяцев назад

    Thank you.👍

  • @taddean8361
    @taddean8361 2 года назад

    You’re awesome

  • @bassandtrebleclef
    @bassandtrebleclef 4 года назад

    Is there any other channel with this level of detail on depreciation? I don’t think so.

    • @fourwheeltrader
      @fourwheeltrader  4 года назад

      There are some channels discussing car prices, but not with this level of detail.

  • @racekar80
    @racekar80 4 года назад

    You my man are a statistical monster, do you use mini tab or some other statistic program?

    • @fourwheeltrader
      @fourwheeltrader  4 года назад

      I use python for my analyses.

    • @haciendadad
      @haciendadad 4 года назад

      @@fourwheeltrader Where do you get the data? Do you have to pay for it? Also, I would like to know at what point should a car's age/mileage should not be considered. e.g., if the car has problems after 100k miles, I would not want to get a Turbo with 80k miles unless I rarely drive it vs a daily driver.

  • @jlj222nyc
    @jlj222nyc Год назад

    What would you recommend as a good price to negotiate for a used 2018 Macan GTS w/38k mi on it?

  • @eggsandwich4026
    @eggsandwich4026 3 года назад

    Toyota FJ Cruiser please!

  • @9fiveb180
    @9fiveb180 4 года назад

    When you’re talking about the depreciation over any length of time with 2014 being where your x/y axis of your graph begins, and each following year on up to 2020 continues further to the right.......
    It makes it kinda confusing to move backwards like you did around the 5min mark I believe it was, when you started saying "In the first year of ownership you’ll see the depreciation of the Macan............" And your visuals move from present day backwards into the past.
    Maybe I’m having a brain-fart day today.
    I dunno.

    • @fourwheeltrader
      @fourwheeltrader  4 года назад

      The x axis shows the model years and not the value over time. That often causes confusion. The most recent model years you can find on the right. Hence, the drop in the first year of ownership is equal to the drop between 2020 and 2019.

    • @9fiveb180
      @9fiveb180 3 года назад

      @@fourwheeltrader
      Yeah..... But that’s the thing. You just spoke of the current model year first and transitioned backwards to the initial price drop of that and the previous model year Macan.
      It should flow like a timeline in a history book. Oldest to newest, left to right, purchase price to depreciated value. Na Mean?

  • @richardhuang824
    @richardhuang824 3 года назад

    CLA 45 AMG plz!

  • @i1pro
    @i1pro 2 года назад +2

    I got a 2016 Porsche Macan Turbo fully loaded with less than 25k miles. The original sticker price was almost 100k. It even has the burnmeister sound system that is so so amazing. Makes the car twice more enjoyable. I upgraded from a 2015 Macan S and I have to say I did not expect such an increase in power and comfort. The air suspension and 3.6 liter engine takes the car to a whole new level. I'm so lucky!! I just got a racechip that's supposed to increase the power by 85 HP. OMG!!! I have the ultimate Macan.... Thank you God almighty!!
    BTW:. I went for a Macan instead of a Cayenne because the size and PDK makes it more agile and sporty, which is what I was going for...

    • @Embrxceyourdemons
      @Embrxceyourdemons 7 месяцев назад

      UODATE? Mileage? Maintenance?

    • @i1pro
      @i1pro 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@Embrxceyourdemonsover 50k, just got out of warranty. Still perfect! Not a single problem.

    • @Embrxceyourdemons
      @Embrxceyourdemons 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@i1pro nice! I just talked to a guy with 111k and the transfer case is still solid! He said no crazy maintenance yet. I’m looking at one that did most of it 70k miles in PA but currently in texas

    • @i1pro
      @i1pro 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@Embrxceyourdemons it's an amazing car!. I recommend spending the money for a quick inspection, ideally by a Porsche dealer. There are a few things that go wrong, but I heard that the problems appear before 50k so 70k might be a good thing if everything checks. A Porsche engine will typically last 300k miles.

    • @Embrxceyourdemons
      @Embrxceyourdemons 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@i1pro yes I’m gonna try to coordinate that the vehicle is currently being sold by a Toyota dealership. Seems like a blast @ 400 hp but it will hopefully be an asset and not liability will be planning on hosting it on Turo and 31k for a older 2017 Macan turbo compared to 25k for a Macan base just seems too good to pass up if all checks out

  • @BeatHafen
    @BeatHafen 3 года назад

    G-Class

  • @strafefire
    @strafefire 4 года назад +1

    This is going to sound weird, but it would be nice to see a video on the BMW X5M and X6M. Thanks

  • @wooji
    @wooji 3 года назад

    2013-2015 Audi RS5!

  • @AbdulB_94
    @AbdulB_94 Год назад

    Cayenne??

  • @mayankpatel7261
    @mayankpatel7261 2 месяца назад

    Extremely tight shirt bro!!! Such a distraction

  • @sradical8136
    @sradical8136 3 года назад

    Maserati levante please!!

  • @sradical8136
    @sradical8136 4 года назад

    Maserati granturismo please

  • @jpnphom5470
    @jpnphom5470 3 года назад

    Buy only if you don’t plan to drive it in snow. Porsche AWD is a joke..You need snow tires? But why?

  • @michaelbrown9363
    @michaelbrown9363 4 года назад +1

    Audi A8

  • @caroad2008
    @caroad2008 3 года назад +2

    Talk Number on happiness is more appropriate for a Porsche. Buy a Toyota if you have to count pennies.

  • @stephendibari5010
    @stephendibari5010 4 года назад +1

    Appreciate your research on depreciation, BUT all German cars are empty $ pits as they age (approx 5 years) with high mileage (approx over 75k), especially BMW’s. The money you think you’re saving from low depreciation is overtaken by high maintenance and repair costs over the duration of ownership.

    • @fourwheeltrader
      @fourwheeltrader  4 года назад +6

      Depends on which car you are looking at. Also, it is unlikely that you will spend 30k on maintenance while it is likely that you will lose 30k to depreciation.

    • @stephendibari5010
      @stephendibari5010 4 года назад

      Fourwheel Trader - Car depreciation analysis I bought a 2013 X5 in Summer of 2018 with 94k miles. Within a LONG 8 months I dropped nearly $2,500 into it for front end suspension, leaking rear differential and a frozen door lock. This was with an extended warranty. I couldn’t sell that piece of crap privately and wound up trading it in for my excellent 2013 Lexus ES 350 with only 30,009 miles. My bad for not Doing enough research before buying that X5.
      Repair cost versus depreciation costs are relative to the age & mileage of the vehicle. I certainly wouldn’t touch another German car with a 10 foot pole. Reliability and high maintenance/repair costs are unnecessary headaches when I know for a fact a Lexus (Toyota) will give me years of trouble free ownership.

    • @JohnGuidetti751
      @JohnGuidetti751 4 года назад +3

      Stephen DiBari silly you shouldn’t be buying a 5 year old x5 with 98k you don’t know how the first owner/‘s treated it then complaining about high repair costs buy something newer more appropriate to your pocket.

    • @stephendibari5010
      @stephendibari5010 4 года назад

      Kyle I did, my comments above stated i bought a 2013 Lexus ES350 w only 30k miles. Lexus IS the best & most reliable auto company in the world

    • @MS-1994
      @MS-1994 4 года назад +1

      I owned a Porsche 911-- 997.1-- for a period of two years that I sold for quite close to what I paid for it. Maintenance and repair costs were minimal at an independent mechanic. Put 15,000 miles on it.

  • @mindaugascaplinskas1433
    @mindaugascaplinskas1433 4 года назад

    2011 Bentley Continental GT

  • @daweigo6851
    @daweigo6851 7 месяцев назад

    There all turbo..

    • @Embrxceyourdemons
      @Embrxceyourdemons 7 месяцев назад

      Yes but Porsche has the turbo” as the high end model.

  • @beri232
    @beri232 Год назад

    “Best Macan”? With that shitty oil-leaking timing chain cover with aluminum bolts… there is NO SUCH THING!

  • @ashman0071
    @ashman0071 4 года назад +1

    nope - get a Tesla model 3, Y or X - but you have to own a home with a garage and driveway.........