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- Опубликовано: 26 фев 2024
- Mark Boardman twists off his Barrel Deresonator, Ryan Muckenhirn twists the truth, and Jim Hamilton is along for the ride as they debate the merit of this unique device. The boys go back and forth on its physical appearance and performance - including testimonials to its accuracy-improving potential. Ultimately, they make a plan to test it at the range. Tune in for some barrel-tuning fun.
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I wonder if this episode will resonate with the audience
No
Depends on the vibe(ration) we pick up
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I see what you did there
Half hour on a $10 barrel deresonator is squarely on brand 👍🏻
HILARIOUS!! Loved every second. Nice to see these guys rib each other like my friends and I do.
WANT TO SEE THE TEST RESULTS "VIDEO "... 🤔🤔
The Monty python references are on point. “what is your favorite color conundrum?” will make an appearance at some point
I installed one on my T3 300WSM. It really did help with the groupings. Its now on there and never taken off. It worked for this rifle. I just leave it on. My brother-in-law laughed about it. But I just said well... its useful when you have it on there in your hunting rig. Its the same idea as bow stabilizer. Harmonics. Simms have been in that business for years.
I would love to see this test. Ten shot groups without it on and with it on?
This episode was just too funny!!!😂😂😂😂
Ya had me at "Doinker".....then Jim put it on, at Mark's request.....hysterical.
I love how Mark squirms at every thought of having that prophylactic on his rifle. It's not even that he's worried about it shooting better, it's all about how it looks on his rifle.
Watching Ryan loose it when Mark describe the installation made this video. Keep up the good work guys!
*lose
Ran one on my 30 Gibbs for quite some time, then found a load the rifle really liked, took it off and have not used one since. It worked well enough, I stocked them for sale in my shop. Mark needed a carrot nose for this one.
Dude! You guys are the best and I know the older you guys get the better it’s going to get. 🤛🏼
Great results with my 2 Tikka T3's have used this product for Years !!
This was crazy good!!!
This has been an interesting and totally entertaining episode 😂.
A thumbs up just because of the intro up until the “labored drink of water”. 🤣
Thank you for the Holy Grail segment!😂😂😂😂
Love the content. Keep it up.
I've had one from Limb saver for 14 years now it improved my grouping over not having it on. Mine is 1 front of stock of My Savage 110 270/30-06 Limb saver devises like this are well known in Archery
I’ve never seen Mark swirm this much ever
There are barrel whip and there are barrel resonance. Most what people thing is resonance is whip, this wouldnt do anything for the amount of forces on the barrel. The resonance it could effect which would potentially effect follow-up shots but it would just effect changing the resonance and each barrel, thickness, material, bore, temperature will impact it. You would need to find out the resonant frequency of the barrel and adjust the ball thing accordingly, now if that will actually do anything for your accuracy. I would say no it wont. Because if it did it would come on your gun and you would see PRS matches with all of them on their barrels 15 years ago.
I put this product on my Savage Axis and it did help the grouping tramindasly.
My dad bought one of these awhile ago for his .300 WSM and always wondered what it was called.
Anything that changes barrel harmonics will either positively or negatively impact groups the limbsaver works it’s not ascetically pleasing but it does work
Can’t wait to see the test
Thank you Vortex
I tune barrels with bedding changes and was going to get one for convenience. With buddy jokes, no way!
Absolutely hilarious, informative and fun!
I might as well add in my favorite quote from the movie Super Troopers "yeah, we got Bobby the baboon here in lock up and he says for 20 bananas, he can provide evidence that Johnny Chimpo is the pimp in charge of the Cartoon Network whorehouse".
😂😂
And i found it oline and will order soon 😊 thanks guys for the cheap new product to play around with and making me laugh 😂. Great paodcast.
In regards to the Doniker. I would absolutely take it off for photos!
That said I've never tried one but I have thought about it and may after listening to this podcast.
An example: my Savage Axis in 30'06 loves 150gr and 180gr. I would prefer to use 165gr as a do it all bullet weight but 2 1/2 MOA isn't acceptable. Try the De Resonator with the 165gr.
i put one of these on a marlin 795 that would at best shoot 0.8-1.0 @ 50 yards. after putting it on i was getting 0.4 average from 5, 5 shot groups! mind blown… and i was using cheap cci blazer ta boot.
crazy…
I use a limbsaver deresonator on my Savage Axis .223. I found that it helps a bit on inexpensive rifles such as the axis.
I feel it probably works better on thinner contour barrels
Yeah, me too. The axis has a thin barrel that isn’t free floating.
Great stuff
Ryan's mug makes me think of Max Headroom... Harmonics - watch Eddie Van Halen tap the beginning of Women In Love - he's hitting notes that resonate harmonically. The guitar string is a certain length between the two ends of the guitar, and if you split it in half, at the 12th fret, you can get a harmonic reaction there - and there are other places you can see that happen along the neck. The best example I can think of is if you think of a bathtub half filled with water, with the same shape at both ends of the tub. Drop something right at the middle, and the waves will propagate to the opposing ends of the tub, and then they will reflect back towards the middle. When the reflections meet at the middle, they cross over and create a peak - there will be other waves as well, but the point here is that the point at which they cross over at the middle is a depiction of a harmonic resonance - cutting the wave at the halfway point... That's not exactly how it works, but I'm trying to paint a picture - if you pick a guitar string, it plays a note. If you put a finger lightly above that string at the 12th fret and then pick the string, it will play that note, but basically, two waves will be generated along that string, and one will go towards the bridge, and the other wave will go up the neck - and once they reach the end of their length, the wave will reflect and go back towards the middle, where they will crossover - think of it as the 0 on a sine wave - so it is technically the opposite of the tub example, but that was to paint a picture of the reflection of the wave. Now, take this harmonic resonance and apply it to a barrel - that's something that should be visible when using a high speed camera, and it makes sense that the Deresonator does its job by splitting the waves so that they bounce into each other at complimentary frequencies. When playing guitar, for example, playing two notes that don't go together can cause dissonance and can be very unpleasant to hear, but when you play complimentary notes, notes that resonate harmonically, it can sound glorious. Last point - about dissonance - if we go back to the bathtub example, dropping an item at the middle gives us harmony when the waves reflect and cross over at the middle, and they'll keep doing that over and over again, with a smooth peak at the middle. But if you drop something a little bit off to one side of the middle, the waves will reflect and then cross over at a point other than the middle, and instead of having smooth crossover at the middle peak, we end up with, over multiple oscillations of the sine wave, peaks that crash into each other at different points, not creating a nice big peak in the middle, but little peaks everywhere that fight each other, and deplete their energy because they're crashing into each other, causing breaking peaks, instead of smooth sine wave crossovers. How much of that plays into the rifle harmonics? I'm sure that's exactly what this device does, and now I am going to buy one and try it out. If you've read this far, when you go out to test this theory, take a high speed camera with you and record the rifle firing, from the side, so you can see the barrel 'wave', and see if you can figure out where to place the device - and make adjustments looking at the film - see how it affects the 'wave'.
You had me at EVH Women in love!
Anyone who says that on a rifle comment section is the smartest guy in the room. 🤘
When you do your "wip tuner" range day, bring your high speed camera and multiple wip dampers.
Cell phone set to slowmo may be a fast enough frame rate(not likely) to show the wip change, and help identify what muzzle tip behavior is most desirable.
How much for the Ryan coffee cup? 2 box of tungsten.410 shells sound about right?
Just a thought here after reading alot of the comments how about you buy like 10 of the donkers and line the whole outside of the barrel and see what happens love the content keep it coming
It's a awesome product. Works on my axis 308.
Mark and Ryan at the beginning😁
Excellent harmonic balance between the hosts. My hunting partner has a like Limbsaver branded rubber barrel ring (it's just a ring, not this configuration) on a Savage Westher Warrior .300 WSM. He swears by it.
I once had a long barreled Browning in 270 win and had a Browning 'compensator' installed. Results? ASTOUNDING!. Don't know a thing about the 10.00$ thing they are discussing so have no opinion. But the Browning ended up a little better than .25 MOA which is pretty much as good as I've ever been able to shoot.
Would this work on a #6 contour barrel? For $10 it’s worth a shot.
Doesnt work on any barrel.
@@DuckersAI I’ll try it out and let you know.
@@albundy7459just admit you don't understand statistics
I would like to see some video with the Tikka and a Limbsaver barrel resonator on. Just to see. Not just you 3 yammering on for a half hour lol
The fact that we are Toyota guys makes me feel right at home here!
We need an episode on the guns of lore these three guys talk about all the time. Marks wsm, Ryan’s 300wby, and Jim’s 6.5 American.
Link to that product?
I had a Browning Stainless steel Stalker in 7mm rem mag . I could never get it to shoot a good group . It always threw the first shot 1" high and 1" to the right the next two shots would be dead on . Would have loved to have one of those .
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If the exact Ammo is out of production...
We would accept using the same rifle, with a variety of similar ammunitions. You've done that for the ballistic gel tests,
Copper this, binded that, cup and core, etc etc.
See what performance it averages over several 3 or 4 or 5 shot groups... With each ammunition type...
Then add the 'device', and see if that rifle... Tightens up.
The answer to the question “does it work”, is maybe. I tried this on two different guns. I have Remington 700 in 308 and it was a 1 1/2 “gun regardless of what kind of “tuned” handload I put through it. This thing turned the gun into an under 1” guns all day. I got so jazzed I put one on my Browning Abolt 7RM which was a 1” at best. It made no difference whatsoever! I’m thinking barrel metallurgy plays a bigger part. The Remington was a later model when Remingtons reputation was suspect.
No it doesn't, you just don't understand statistics
If one works good, does 2 work better?
Nice one,you gave it a good go this time. I’d be interested to see if you can make a fair test, without collapsing with laughter.
Mark had me cracking up.
He said, she said....😂😂😂😂
Reminds me of a barrel tuner, Eric Cortina has a few he produces. Another RUclipsr (@Gunfather Precision) did something similar with a shaft collar, 2$ barrel tuner video.
Yes, understanding the road to greater accuracy becomes easier once you recognize the basic concept of wanting a bullet to leave the barrel once it has become stationary. Because of natural vibration, this only happens at the peaks of its sinusoidal flex. Barrel tuners allow the shooter to adjust the barrel's flex to make this event closer to ideal. It also points to why different bullet weights and powder charges create varying levels of accuracy, and why some barrels with a pressure post are more accurate than others that are free-floated. Experimenting with the torque of action screws, and especially the front screw, is based on achieving the same improvement for the same reasons.
Tuners don’t work. They’re BS
TOONING
"Deresonator" is probably the wrong term - it's really a "harmonic tuner"where you're adding mass to a system to *change* its resonance point, just like anything else you attach to your barrel (brake, thread protector, sights, etc.) will. Like others mentioned it's a barrel tuner, and it's just convenient to move this tuning mass around to find the right point, and thus the right resonant frequency, for your rifle with any given ammunition. Because it's rubber, or at least rubber-coated, it also won't mar your barrel.
In principle it's no different than finding the right load for your gun - when you adjust powder charge you're varying how much power is put into the system to start it oscillating (which affects frequency and where in the cycle the bullet leaves the barrel based on bullet speed), with these devices you're keeping power & bullet speed consistent and tuning the mass of the system to change the frequencies involved, and in both cases you want the bullet leaving the barrel while it's "paused" in its oscillations.
They do work to a degree but you have to fine tune it up n down till your groups tighten! All this is doing is changing the whip/node at witch your bullet exits the muzzle! This can also be done by changing bullet seating depth when you reload
If you don't reload, for a myriad of reasons, this will do the job in a fraction of the time and money.
Call me immature, but best podcast ever
Lol, I thought Ryan was going to lose it!
24:34
Jim.
Oh no mark, every rifle I own, shoots real. Nice right now.
Borat might say
Verrry Niice
28:20
I thought there was going to be a cutaway to the range results... Hrmmm.
I've been Spoiled by the cartridge ballistic gel pairings,
Being available for review in the library.
Drat
Even my wife was laughing and she had no idea what you were talking about
Testing...he we come! Targets await the tests! Methods will be explained! Part 2 is going to reveal the truth! Or will it!?
Another Great Podcast Guys 💯💥💥💥💥💥💥💥
If you guys want to talk about another unique cartrige that not many people talks about, the 8x56r is a good one or 7.7 Japanese
Used these on 2 different rimfires with excellent results. There will also be a large shift in your point of impact - you can use this to your advantage. One Savage B mag .17WSM BBL in particular was chambered so poorly that it needed more scope elevation to zero than the scopes turrets allowed for. As soon as the deresonator went on there the point of impact went up by almost 9 inches and put it into a range the scope could be adjusted to. In addition, being rimfires with no hand loads it was useful to tune to different lots.
I seem to think the one I use to have was branded by LimbSaver
You should do the 300wsm or a 30-06 with 180grn bullets
Its really just a barrel tuner made of rubber….. same thing can be accomplished with a steel ring with ring with a set screw like i made. i turned it on my lathe in 20 mins and i set it with a caliper but be careful using it with harder recoiling rifles, cause it can move on you, so it is best practice to check it after every couple shots with your caliper cause it can make your gun shoot better or worse it just depends on where you put it on the barrel it is the exact same concept as erik cortina’s tuner break cause it changes the harmonics of your barrel by changing where the weight is essentially
You probably was shooting different ammo than he tested it with. Thats what ima go with. Because that would bebthe only thing that would throw it off if its in the wrong place for that ammo. Especially if there's a big change in weight and speed.
Dilly-Doinker! Doink! Doink! Doink!
If your barrel is free floated, the Doinker is supposed to be installed at the muzzle end.
Want to see the results of the test.
HE DOES IT ON THE BROWNING IN QUESTION
Non stop hilarious
Corrected title:
“Mark gets roasted for alternate reality relating to barrel dingus” 😂
1:11 Giggity
Speaking of cheap accurate things the 340 weatherby magnum is very accurate and on that note upnext on 10 min talk the 340 weatherbt magnum
They are funny and intellectual at the same time.😅
I've got them on every rifle I own!!!
TRAINING WHEELS ON THE LEAD SLED..😂
Can it hurt accuracy?
Yes but it could also help. In theory it could also have no noticeable impact. I think it’s worth a shot
Barrel harmonics: This device might just mirror the harmonics of minute changes in powder type and amounts.
Can we get a podcast on watches and their role for hunters or shooters?
They tell time of day. That's their role.
I feel a little bad for Mark after getting railroaded by a couple guys with a barrel doughnut. But mostly because he should be able to save the ammo he likes for his gun thats not available anymore. That seems important to him.
That’s a dampener from a beestinger bow stabilizer!
These were around long before the "beestinger". But you are correct it's the basically the same thing.
The “Doinker”. Go with it. Make it the official name for the device. Embrace the strangeness. Does look silly, but works.
A doinker is already a thing. They make stabilizers for archery. The Doinker even looks similar.
How many times do i have to comment to see it happen?
I remember when these came to market. I almost died laughing. Free float your barrel, bed your action, and hand load people.
Not when I can get the same results buying off the shelf loads and a $10 chunk of rubber. If you love spending the time and money doing that as a hobby, awesome. Personally I don't have the time nor interest. Additionally if for some reason reloads don't get to my hunting destination, with this I can tune it to almost any box of ammo I can find.
@@rickyanke9407 lol. Your not getting the same results. Factory ammo will never shoot anywhere as tight or consistent as hand loading. Never seen anyone shoot a rubber donut in competition or factory ammo for that matter. Alot of my target and predator rifles will shoot .3" groups consistent at 300 yards with hand loads. You'll never do that consistently at 100 yards with a rubber donut and factory ammo. If your a 150 yard shooter on deer 2moa is good enough for most because they can't shoot good enough to tell if their rifle is capable of better accuracy. I have way to many firearms and shoot thousands of rounds of rounds a years. Not going to happen buying factory ammo. Some of my calibers cost $20 to $25 plus a round if I had to try and locatate obsolete factory ammo for it. No thanks, I like to shoot my guns instead of looking at them. To each his own. But when I was your mind frame I was just getting into buying and collecting guns. Re visit in 10 years and I bet you are reloading if your still in the hobby. All that rubber donut is doing is putting a bandaid on a poorly bedded rifle. Accraglass bedding compound doesn't cost much more than the donut gimmic. It will also shoot tighter groups with a properly bedded rifle vs that goofy looking rubber donut. I fell victim of your mindset back in the early 90s. I even tried one of the goofy donuts myself. I'd get a good group once in a blue moon but it was never consistent. Good enough for minute of deer. Sticking a couple busses cards(which didn't cost anything) between my barrel and forend produced tighter and way more consistent groups. It turned my 1.5 to 3 moa gun into half moa at the time. Went to bedding and free floating my barrel with the same consistentcy and a permanent result that didn't look goofy or cobbled. From there I lightened my triggers down to 1 to 2 pounds, bought full length H&S Prescion stocks, and started reloading. If your worried about accuracy you get to this eventually. Any serious hunter and shooter always does. Good luck in your venture.
@@tripplebeards3427 my point was exactly about the time and expenses involved in reloading. If that's what you want to spend your time and money doing, to get .05" better groups, great. Enjoy your hobby. For everyone else, you can easily reduce your 100yd groups by.5-1.0" with a $10 product AND use it to tune for other loads (factory or reloads). If I want 115 gr for yotes and 150 for deer and 180 for elk, I can buy whatever is on the shelf. If my rifle doesn't like it, the same $10 product (and even $2 products) will improve grouping on all three loads. Just keep notes on the placement measurements and adjust it in seconds. Changing the harmonics of the barrel is far faster, cheaper and easier from the outside than changing a Ioad from the inside. I follow enough about competition rifle shooting to know that hubris is a component of why you don't see these types of products being used. Some men would rather lose than to win with one of those on their rifle. It's been said many times and you can find those statements in every comments section of every video about these products. Enjoy your hobby.
@@rickyanke9407 yep, $10 can’t hurt most peoples pocket books when your just getting started in the hobby. To me, and most, it’s just a Gimmic…but it works.
Try in on a rimfire
WHENS THE TEST?
Mark just doesn’t want to shoot his 300 WSM. I have a 270WSM and don’t particularly care to shoot it at the range when sighting in.
Shoot a lightweight rifle with crappy ammo in test and then shoot a heavy barrel hunting rifle to test. They make deresonators for both barrel types
If you do the test, it should be a factory rifle, unmodified.
It’s called the 300 wsm doinker
Tried putting one on a Remington 597 22lr with a bull barrel. Couldn't get it on more than just barely, it made o difference and it was so hard to get off my hand ached for a week afterward.
Supposed to put oil on it first. Plus they make them for larger barrels also.
What's on Ryan's Coffee Mug? lol
im watching this and listening to Mark back pedal and I'm busting a gut laughing at him.....
Put it on the xbolt 300 wsm for science.