This eBike Means The Death of Traditional MTBs?
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- Опубликовано: 21 сен 2024
- Mondraker Neat is virtually indistinguishable from a regular mountain bike, and provides 300 watts of motor power, with 50Nm of torque, and a removable 360Wh battery.
Check more on the bike here: bit.ly/3OjK2Ql
ETHICS, DISCLAIMER and TRANSPARENCY: Mondraker hired me to test the bike, review it and to produce a video for on my RUclips channel, and is such labelled as a paid partnership on RUclips. Mondraker have had no direct input on this content or any editorial or narrative control over the video. This paid partnership with Mondraker has allowed me time to test the bike and also film and edit over multiple days working with an independent film crew to help capture the bike shots and produce the video content.
It’s nice and all, but what the market is really waiting for is a sub 19kg inc 500Wh+ battery, full power, good looks and sub £5k. Whoever gets there first will clean up.
Not likely to happen. Batteries, motors and frames are not getting much lighter than they already are.
The Whyte E-lyte is almost there. Just not sub £5k. 400Wh + RangeMore 250wh. 16.5KG (or 19KG, depending on the model). 600 watt motor. Just £10k plus, unfortunately.
I'd say 6.5k many would find it worthwhile to stretch the budget to. 8k up is just silly territory. 10k plus is an industry destroyer. Why, well anyone vaguely aware of the world geopolitical state knows we are going into very dicey times and a bike is just a bike, we can't lose our minds over our passion for biking, reality bites and all that.
In my view what “the market “ wants is much better motor reliability and waterproofing………..yes I and my wife have had too many such issues. 😬😕
@@marauder7412 you’d be mad to bet against it. Just look at the speed of technological advancement and innovation. 3 years I’d say.
Bro went from reviewing bikes to producing cinema masterpiece. Sound Effects, image quality and edit is 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Paid for video. Film crew. Nonetheless, lovely job.
As an ebike owner and owner of previous Carbon Mtb’s the first major issue with e-bikes is THE COST! And to be honest no mater the brand -there’s no way it justifies the price .
The second major issue seems to be the price DEPRECIATION . With new models coming out fairly quickly pre owned bike prices are crashing. Third major issue is - as mentioned- not enough cross compatibility or cross upgrade ability.
That’s the trade off for access to cutting edge tech. Especially a tech that’s in its infancy stage of development
Yeah agreed but as Rob said s it the price we pay for cutting edge tech I just find ways to justify it and make the most of the bike enjoy the trails, I do feel the lighter ebikes offer a more all round bike that enables you to ride it even without power or a battery 🤔😊
Arthur
Crestline is only $12k retail
I dont get it with the cost problem, a non e mt bike can cost just as much.
Much cheaper workable EMTB's can be had, around 4 K or even less. If thats too much then you have to buy used.
All this clap trap about silence and serenity, an e bike that isnt like an e bike, I like my 900WH full powered Canyon EMTB, it hails ass, it will go 60 miles and still have battery.
A bike with out good range, or proper power, is a specialty item. The power can be used up in no time.
@@helicopter12345678 I really like my 24lb Intense Sniper, ride it a lot.
But I really like my Canyon Spectral ON, I can run it in boost mode for 4 hours and still have good battery left.
Its an E bike, it makes power, huge battery.
Its good to have choices. Riding an EMTB with not much power or battery..............yeah it can be done.
Out of the 7 guys I ride in a pack with, the guy that had the baby motor/tiny battery TREK? Gave it to his wife and bought a full power EMTB.
I went from a Sworks LEVO full powered to this Mondraker Neat and I am more then happy!!..excellent choice. I was tired of the power of a full eMTB, the weight in tech tight switchbacks etc and the noise! also missed the natural feel and the effort on the climbs...and this bike nailed all of that!!!! its a beauty and so well made
I agree. I have the fuel EXe with the same TQ system. I didn’t want a motorcycle I still wanted to work like when I road my Sworks stump jumper
@@jimsteinway695if you really wanted to “work” like that, you wouldn’t be riding any form of ebike. Sorry to point out the obvious.
There are adjustments on your old Levo that dictate power, it doesn’t always have to be in “full power” mode.
@@KosmicHRTRacingTeam thats wrong. You have the same workout as with a normal bike, but you'll double the descents, which is double the fun. Sorry to point out the obvious
@@Manu_Air228its completely imposible to get the same workout as in an analog bike. Its Just a lie that you tell yourself
Deer, ponies and ebikes in a drone shot! What more can I say...Bravo.
Cinematic masterpiece as always Rob 🤌🏻
Those horses from the background are just...... Amazing 👍
man I love your videos the footage is just amazing, even though I personally don't care about lightweight ebikes I still watch the full video just because those shots are so pleasing I mean is like an emtb movie, there is even a beautiful horse galloping around and animals on those hills. magnificent I was even wondering when you would release a new video.
Hey Rob couple of years into my trek fuel EXe and totally agree with your comments, I still ride my regular analog bike as well but when it’s hot or I’m squeezing in a quick after work ride the EXe is my first choice for sure. I ride solo mostly so running in lower power modes no issues for longer rides. When riding with mates on full fat bikes I can rinse my battery super quick trying to keep up so will look at a range extender this year but can usually ride home unpowered without too many issues just slow going.
When away I usually hire a full fat bike and enjoy them very much but always glad to get back on the quieter more playful machine round my home trails. Swapped out the standard fox 36 rhythm fork for Fox performance elite 38s originally ran 170 on the front but settled back on 160mm travel which appears to be the bike and myself’s sweet spot regarding steering and handling, installed better tyres as stock options were pretty easy to kill on my rocky loose trails no issues with reliability so far vey happy with the bike all round.
Interesting what you have done with your bike, I’ve had my Trek exe for a few months now love it 👌
@@davefreeman9347 Hey Dave, definitely worth running the 160mm shock out front I’ve found the Fox 38s fair bit stiffer than 36s.
I’d originally wanted to go a rock shox lyric out front but was offered the 38s for a great price. It’s probably over kill on what’s essentially a trail bike but wow the bike is a weapon now on fast technical single track and bombs down all mountain enduro stuff with a lot more poise.
Rode it stock for a year to analyse its strengths and weaknesses like most fuels the rear end is very good stock and the plusher longer travel of the fork upgrade was well worth it. Upgraded the rear rim to a DT Swiss FR DH spec as killed original rim in first year of use and running DD spec side walls and insert on rear tyre lots of sharp rocks on my trails. No worries keeping up with the full fats going down just gotta battery manage chasing them up 😁👍
Which tires, may I ask?
Great comments!
@@rohankilby4499 that’s great to hear definitely given me sometimes think about 👍 I’ve already upgraded the wheels as stock were terrible
The price for this bike is $21K AUD. who in their right mind would pay that!
A holes
@@brendansherlock6442fat dentists. 😂😂😂
Less e-bike for more money. If it was an electric car it would be the cheaper model because it doesn’t go as far and takes longer to get there.
On full-powered I feel like I'm the understudy in the rider-bike relationship, on analog the physical stress often overshadows the fun. I got soaked into riding SL mid-assist last spring and I couldn't agree more with your review👍 5400 miles on my Trek Fuel EXe. I have 2 full-size 360Wh batteries and on long trips the spare (4lbs) gets strapped into my backpack. Range? I went 76.2 mi→ 5230 ft↑ last fall in Taos highland using ECO and a little bit of TRAIL in the steep😄
was the 76.2 miles using both batteries? I just purchased the exe 9.7 and wondering about a battery or extender?
@@JosephFlood-x8g Yes, both batteries used of course. Batteries down to 0% and 3%.
And what's your weight, bro?
@@829250 5'10", 154 lbs, recreational runner and mountain biker. Not much power in upper body but legs are ok😀
Kenevo SLhere, easy 7,500 ft of elevation if I keep to 50% or less power, with the extender.
Seems Rob’s realised that full fat eebs are really mopeds 😀
Headset cable routing (someone tought that was a good idea three years ago !) and the price are the only reasons I wouldn't buy one. Lovely looking bikes.
Some great camera work Rob, looks an interesting bike.
Sorry Rob ....
2021 Orbea Rise M ltd -series 15.9 kg.....
60 Nm....
Great bike, But not nearly as silent 😊
Nice review Rob, love the idea of the TQ motor, at 61 after 30+yrs of riding mtb bought a 2nd hand levo Sl this time last year. Some of my analogue mates don't get it, still call it cheating but the ability to still get a workout but ride further or faster with an Sl bike is the best of both worlds. Like the idea of the removable battery which the levo sl hasn't got. For me where money is tight a well researched low mileage 2nd hand bike is the way forward. £3.5k for my carbon sl expert + a range extender. Since up graded to GX Axs shifting, don't know how I would live without axs now. Keep up the good work. Video on buying 2nd hand maybe?
Great review!
Without taking anything from the review itself,
Personally I dislike the notion of ANY bike "killing" traditional MTBs. (Not that top XC are exactly traditional, but... oh, well.)
Just a short list, people still lift weights, run considerable distances, climb mountains (sometimes deliberately without gear), swim, and cycle without help.
Some people (and not few) still want to feel they are 100% responsible for their sporting performance. That will not change in the foreseeable future, and I'd say even hundreds of years to come (as people competed for performance for millenias).
Yes, ebikes will dominate amateur enduro (people who like only the downhill) and some other areas.
Yes, ebikes are a rising force in many areas.
But, "indistinguishable" is far from the only factor when considering ebike vs bike.
Cheers,
Keep up the good work 🙂
I'm 70, living in San Diego, and have biked my whole life. Every person tells me to start with a used mtb before transitioning to emtb. There are thousands of gravel trails in the area. Suggestions?
Looks great but tbh when you can still get a levo with 700WH and 90NM for 22kg it just doesn’t make any sense to buy this IMO
Hi ! I will not choose this bike because there is a Rotwild RX 375 which weighs 18.5 kg and has a full 85nm Shimano motor and an easily replaceable 360 battery. This is a bike from two worlds. You should definitely try it !
Nice review Rob, lovely cinematography
It’s videography. Cinematography is not the same
I’m about to buy a Trek Fuel Exe with the TQ motor. But won’t be leaving it as standard. It’s good but is lacking about 200w of power. So my plan is to rip the electronics out and replace with a tuneable ESC and get around 500W from it
I have a Trek Fuel EXe with the same TQ motor it lets me ride like I'm in great shape when I'm not. It's awesome! 😂 Seriously though, I haven't had a bad ride on it yet. It never makes you suffer.
I believe the transition relay (also an ebike) is available in a spec that is about 18 kilos (39-40 lbs) also.
My Pivot Shuttle SL is a bit lighter and stronger. I usually just ride it on the lowest setting. I find it enough and it truly rocks
Really nice video Rob. The scenery is just amazing! Just one question. Can you compare the Mondraker to the Levo SL or the Kenevo SL?
For many years I have dreamed of buying a mountain bike for 250-300 dollars.
However, I cannot afford to buy a connection for my living conditions.
Still a dream.
If I had a mountain bike, I would be happy in this life to ride a bike in the mountains, this is my dream
Hiring wild horses to be in your video... You really outdid yourself!
This bike seems great. I have a full fat emtb (Nukeproof Megawatt) and I ended up losing around 13kgs last year from dieting. Now my full fat almost seems like too much power and battery for me because I keep it on eco mode when climbing. The Neat looks like it would give me just enough assist and battery while being 18 instead of 24kgs.
You're missing a trick.
Ride your full fat like a enduro Mx bike.
Incorporate super tech, steep as fuck climbs into your rides!
@@hawthornewalker4105 exactly :) we started to ride up local trails which are meant to be downhill only :D (not official one direction ones, just local "illegals" ! )
@@hawthornewalker4105 Yes, true, that is a thing you can do but I can't deny that I love the downhill way more that I do the uphill even still. The only reason I ride an emtb is so that I can do more downhill. To each their own though!
Great vid looks like my backyard the Quantocs , since riding e-bike I have explored more in 5 years than I did 20 years on analogue😀
Came here to say the same. Awesome XC, and Triscombe.
This is your nicest production yet! I had to check a few times to see if that herd of deer were digital!lol
Haha, good to see someone is doing due diligence!
This is a well done ad. Much more of an obvious paid for sales pitch than usual.
The music, the serenity, "serenity now!" The bike? Doesnt make enough power, doesnt come with a big enough battery, its for people that want an e bike that doesnt look like an e bike. 85NM is just about enough, I want an e bike that goes like an e bike.
I really think credibility is seriously downgraded when a post becomes an ad. Money is money.
Incredible video and that Mondraker is really a nice bike! I am now entering in the emtb world and is Nice to know about the variety of type of bikes and functions. 🤙
You can get the Trek fuel exe 9.5 in the uk from various places on sale for £3899 carbon frame same motor lower spec components now that’s a deal
It's funny how the concept of lightweight has changed so much in recent years. Just to be clear: 19kg for a bike is not light.
Amazing love it but these days my Max bpm is 155 I'll stay with my 640w 80nm always enjoy your shows Rob 🙏🇦🇺
My max is similar to yours but I still ride my road Roubaix and my Sworks stumpjumper. But to keep up with my son I got a trek Fuel EXe. I didn’t want a 600w motorcycle. Nobody can even tell I have an e bike
Simply an epic review Rob!
Watching your videos feels like watching a movie. Amazing quality
Cables through the headset?
That's a hard NO!
Nailed it.
Marketing team.
We put less material in..
And get this.
We charge them more!!
😂😂😂
Oh the irony.
It does look a nice package though, those range extenders are a nice feature.
Maybe in two or three years I might pick one up second hand.
Hey Rob, I have been looking at the KTM E-bikes such as the prowler, which have the bosch system with 750wh battery and not a bad price and not alot of reviews, if you get a opportunity it would be nice to get a review
I saw one of these in the bike shop this past weekend. What a beautiful bike. Two problems with that one. First, it was $18k US and had to be shipped in from another state, ($18K is the problem, probably free shipping, HAHAHA). Second, it didn't run and the shop it was brought to didn't know what was wrong. The nearest shop that sold this bike was 8 hours away by car. Boutique brands are all well and good, until you need work. These bikes are getting very complicated to work on.
Wow! Very nice filming
Is it possible to power the bike with just the external battery (internal remove). Reason I ask is the external battery is within the limit of 160wh for carryon for the flight. Wish TQ start breaking there 320wh battery into 2 pieces so that we can also put in on carry-on bag in the flight.
The elephant in the room? That's right, PRICE! Starts at nearly £7,000! That's the BASE SPEC!
Great video as always Rob. Looking forwards to prices coming down on these as perfect set up for me but can’t justify second and car prices for my weekend hobby!
When bikes reach this cost, you should get a range extender as part of the bike cost, also manufacturers should fit country/region specific tyres and you shouldn't need to change any parts, due them not being the very best you can get, only change should be personal preference.
I think it’s a little illogical as you need to comment on rider weight, location, effort etc. Eg, I’m 92kg, maybe 90kg trim, or 95 fully loaded with water, clothes and a few tools. On a full fat 750wH bike on a XC trail I can climb on 60% on Eco and end up with 50% battery left on 1000m’s of climbing. If I want to do an extra ride when not 100% rested on my local punchy hills I can burn through 80% on 25km’s and 1000m of climbing. So to do something similar let’s deduct 5kg for an SL and add in a battery extender or two and your pretty close. If your bike is dialled in, has good geo to begin with you just set your sag, tyre pressure and forget the rest and you don’t really notice the weight once your rolling. For me an SL just takes the edge off an analog ride or basically Eco on a full power. I do agree it is a pedal bike with a little assist. Thoughts anyone?
This is exactly the type of bike I have been looking for. A proper electric enduro bike. It's a real shame the price is so high. I hope other manufacturers will bring out cheaper alternatives.
Honestly if this was offered in a mullet setup Id def have one, as I have the superfoxy, however for my mid powered fix I purchased the Heckler SL with the Fazua, awesome bike absolutely love riding it, however after only 4 rides the motor has started making the famous fazua rattle,,,, #warranty and still waiting...
On the plus side the mondraker Neat is an awesome looking machine for sure, just think that they should have a little more grunt peak 450watts.
Killer footage mate.
If you're like me, short kegs and long torso, I don't like full 27.5 five but love a mixed wheel setup. 29er in the rear is absolutely miserable with rear-end buzz. Any bike that's not mix wheel counts me out.
Man, are people that scared of being judged? I strapped a water bottle cage on the bottom of downtube. I never had clearance issues. Did that on everybike I've owned.
Eagerly waiting for you Mondraker Dune full review.
I love my kenevo sl , love the light weight and getting more exercise. Will never go back to 25kg lump.
My hope is that the over saturation of manufacturers and the difficulties they now face, will result in mergers and acquisitions that will create unbelievably well spec'd bikes. Instead of that horrible choice between different tech platforms, buyers can choose to purchase a bike with both. The sales would sky rocket due to demand for such a desirable bike and consequently a lower RRP and both manufacturers would likely survive the industries current level of insolvencies. A win win as they say
Lack of competition usually means manufacturers control the price, spec and quality...not usually in favour of the buyer!
Two things i hate on E-bikes are exactly the sound of the motor, and the look of the bike. I like what i see here...!
I love E-MTBs and it puts a smile on my face whenever I see a fellow cyclist riding one.. That said though, unless you're rich, I don't really recommend E-Bikes because of inability to upgrade and service.. The fact that it has a motor with moving gears means that it has to be serviced/maintained every now and then, and most LBS don't have the tools nor the expertise to perform such maintenance or God forbid something breaks.. After two years when a new model comes out that makes you current E-Bike obsolete, good luck finding parts for it..
For people who want to dip their toes on E-MTBs but want to make a safer purchase.. I recommend them to either buy an E-MTB with a Bafang Motor or buy a normal MTB and have it converted..
I did make that choice this year with the Trek EXe with the TQ motor.
Lovely video, Rob, where was it shot?
On the bike itself - manufacturers need to remember we're not all millionaires. Every car I've owned (prior to my current one) cost less than £5k, and there's just no way I'm going to spend more than that on a bike. Ever. Now, OK, my cars were all 2nd hand, but a car = 2,000 kg of steel and technology, whereas a bike = just 20kg of steel and technology. There's no way a bike should cost more than my car. Ever. £10k for a bike is just ridiculous.
Great video and the quality of cinematography was awesome!
I'm sticking with my 85nm, 750w/hr GIANT........full fat, every time. Great video though.
Great shots with the deers and horse in the background!
Cost, "range" and longevity are 3 things regular bikes will always have over e-bikes.
I love and prefer my ebike, but the sad fact is once the motor or battery gives up and the manufacturer no longer make them, the bike is done.
The visual was outstanding for the video, Ill comment this, as with 29s its never a bad idea to put bigger tyres on an off road vehicle also lighter mountain bikes the same applying to. sound and waight .My off road 4x4 and dual sport nde desert dirt bikes take extra gas .Il take TWO extra batteries .
I've owned a Trek Fuel Exe for 6 months now with the TQ50. It's definitely missing some of the fun factor you get from a full power ebike and also the range sucks. Honestly I think I would go either full fat or analog bike as the TQ is too much of a compromise.
Would love this alongside my full-fat eebs and normal bike -Also ace camera work in these lastest vids man.
Another perfect presentation, magnificent shots and edit!
Thanks for a nice review Rob! Very interesting, think I'll keep my high powered e-mtb for now but I might go lightweight eventually. 👍
I love the look of this bike but in reality I don’t think I could go from a 600 watt, 750 Wh Mondraker Crafty to a bike that has half the power and battery. I mean I’m sure I would get used to it and I’d probably get fitter but I’d be going a lot slower up the climbs which is part of the reason why I love my ebike and also my GF has a full power ebike so she would just be waiting for me all the time. I think I’ll stick with the full power bikes but I hope that the batteries will get lighter soon and I also hope that Mondraker start selling XL Mondraker Crafty Carbon in NZ because currently they only sell the carbon bikes in M/L size which means I’m stuck with alloy. Not that there’s anything wrong with alloy but carbon is just so nice.
I have a Fuel EXe and use the fidlock adaptor for the RE, its a really good solution, isnt this Mondraker basically a Fuel EXe? No downside there to have some other options.
Not sure I get purpose of the range expanders. If you are going to carry all that weight in weird places why not just get a full power ebike?
I understand the idea behind the lightweight bikes, there is definitely a market for it, but why try to make it something its not. I love my full power bike. Sure it's heavy but its designed to carry it well. If I want the lightweight experience I will ride my acoustic bike.
It's that the majority of the time you don't carry the range extender. Just on really big rides.
Orbea Rise is 3 years old, lighter more powerful and a larger battery. Also has a range extender. The Mondraker is slacker though but I can see any additional benefit?
The carbon Rise has the same battery size (360Wh). The much heavier alloy H30 at 20.8kg has the 540Wh battery. The Orbea is still a good bike, just has the issues of the Shimano motor that all the Shimano bikes have like the rattle plus the geo is a little dated now.
Wrong, the carbon Rise now comes with a 540wh battery
@@KingLuff and with the 540Wh battery increases the weight to around 19kg for the Carbon frame bike. So still not lighter and still has the issues of the Shimano motor and dated geo.
Wrong again 😂
@@KingLuff Well Vital did a test on the 360Wh carbon MyO Build and that was 17.7 kg, plus you would then add another 500g to that for the 540Wh battery and that's pretty close to 19kg, plus there's heavier builds than that.
I don't mountain bike but i Can't imagine a high maintenance mountain bike and the extra weight 🤔
I'd love an ebike, they are so much fun to ride. Whats keeping me away right now is how difficult it'll be to buy replacement motors and batteries in 5 years time. Knowing these carbon frames will all end up in a landfill seems so wasteful, whereas my regular bike I can keep on going for many more years - provided my knee's can. I really want an ebike, but as things are, I just can't.
it's really serene and peaceful riding the bike aside from the loud squeaky brakes 🤣
Looked up some stats on the Neat R-the “more affordable” $7,999 one. It’s 41.7 lbs. But it doesn’t say what size- M or L? Be good to know, bc that makes a difference. Has a Fox 36 and Exo + casing tires and 200 mm rotors instead of a 38 and DD tires and 220 mm rotors that my full power emtb has. And having destroyed two tires this past year just demoing these bikes for an hour, and seeing how much I burn the brakes on mine bc of how fast I’m going, I really think those things are helpful. 36 vs 38- goes to riding style- you def will want to be able to pick your lines and flick the bike more because you’ll want a 38 if you are smashing the way emtbs allow you to. Make those changes and now add the battery extender- you’re close to 50 lbs. Not much below some full power ones. My Large Oso is 53 lbs. And after really being intrigued by this category of bike, but doing the research and finding out these things, and then realizing how I like to ride emtbs (see my other comment) I really don’t understand the point of these. Not yet. They’re not quite light enough yet to fulfill their promises. With one exception- the ones that allow you take out the battery and ride without it. Because the almost zero drag motors are a game changer when riding sans power. To me, that would be my use case for these bikes- one bike I can have to take places and ride it with or without the battery.
Silent stealthy lightweight. This is the exact kind of mountain bike I’m looking for, except when it comes to the power numbers I’m 6 foot 4 and 210 pounds naked. I don’t think the power from this motor is going to be worth the cost over an acoustic bike for me but as soon as a mountain bike company can get close to this level of unobtrusiveness from the motor and also give me close to full power, that’s when I’ll be willing to spend big money.
To be clear I’m totally OK with a small battery mostly because when needed I can get it closer to 900 kW with those extenders and when I’m just going for a quick rip 300 is plenty even on a motor that’s going to use a lot more making full power. To me a quick rip is about an hour ride after work on a weekday when I just don’t have much more time than that.
@@hobblyjig I have ridden 1600 kms on my Bosch powered bike and i don't notice (hear) the motor sound anymore. There is so much other sound going on down where the tyres meets the track, and i am concentrating so much.
I'm totally not interested in (can't afford) this bike, but man, the shot that starts at about 4:28 is sooo good.
Waiting in the long grass with my analogue bikes until these things get to about half of what they are looking for now
£10495 I think I'll pass.
I love how understated these look. Mondraker is always on point with aesthetics.
On the opposite end of the scale, where are you at with your Haibike review?
Having one foot on the motorcycle industry and one on non electric MTB’s, e-bikes seems just silly, both for price and standardization.
I am not even getting close to the e-bike market until it gets some standardization (as you wisely mention in a video last year) batteries, chargers, motors and so on…
Looks like a great bike if you want and need this type of bike. Death of my Ibis Ripley weighing in around 27#, I don't think so. In addition, I personally don't need this much travel. Just incredible how much bikes are costing in this day and age. Yes, the technology is there but it's still hard to swallow.
I also love feeling the burn.
Luckaly I have 6 power levels on my ebike ranging from, you do the work to I will do all the work on this heavy bike.
Great review absolutely spot on Rob about these SL bikes I have the Trek Fuel exe which as you know has the same motor system it’s great for those power hours as I can go at least a third further than I normally would, but I’ve ridden the 40km rides with 900 meters of climbing and I know I’ve had a great workout but I don’t feel beaten up by the trail and bike and done for the day, I can get out and enjoy the rest of the day with the family etc
When I was shopping for Levo I thought the lightweight SL emtb’s were silly. Now that I own a Levo and never take it out of Eco, I am way more open to the 50-60 nm class, especially if you can drop 10-15 pounds off the weight.
👍A real nice bike😄
I realy like my own build Specialized levo SL 35Nm with 170mm Fox Factory fork and everything in carbon so i build one extra bike. So much joy with a light weight Emtb and I have 3 pcs range extender that I never used yet😂
Pls test the Mondraker Level
I think you will like this very much.
This is exactly what an e-mountain bike should be
Well I like the attempt & the evolution 4 lighter bikes. However for 13.2 pounds i’ll take the full⚡️ because range isn’t as important as hill climbing ease. I’m interested in more torque like 75 Nm is a decent compromise
"...apart from cost...": As I see it, bike manufacturing marketing departments can split cyclists into 2 groups: 1. those that are perfectly comfortable with the bike they have, don't need the latest carbon / tech gizmo to feel better about themselves & for whom cost/value is an actual & meaningful metric, and 2. the N+1 brigade that eat carbon croutons for breakfast, and who feel that annual & flashy new bikes/upgrades are a critical statement of their existance. Guess someone needs to keep the industry going then....🙂
There really are a lot of things to consider, heavier riders probably won't enjoy the range or power. Older riders also may find that their max heart rate limits what they can do in a similar fashion. But for all the reasons you stated, yes, this could be the perfect, unaffordable mountain bike 😂. I'm loving my own Specialized SL so much.
Levo or kenevo?
@mathewmccabe2658 Levo, although I would love to try Kenevo I think I would be over biked.
Nothing new then. - Its a trail bike with a small battery and motor.
Really enjoy your reviews but as somebody who's looking to buy an ebike I really wish you would sometimes pass on the top spec models and give us a review of the entry level model which more people will find affordable
I second that!
I agree with a 450wh battery taking into account that 50Nm is good enough to climb faster and wont use as much battery as a full power heavy bike, would be compatible with a 650wh battery on a full power. I have my 2021 trek rail which im extremely happy with still, however im waiting for something that really call my attention on the Light weight category.
The reason I would not choose one is that it is neither one or the other. If you are not at the point of changing to emtb you want an mtb. If you are ready to make the move you want an emtb not a half way house. For myself there are no nuances, it's a straight choice black or white, emtb or mtb.
Rob, truly enjoyed your review!!! As I followed you back during your Isle of Skye adventure; where did you film this with the animals running in the background? Stellar review!!!! Blue skies...
Firstly, want one so bad!
Secodly, with the animals prancing and the scenic views, this clip feels like "what if Disney did a MTB review video?" LOL
Looks really neat and promising I would really like to take it on a test drive as i m missing the nimble and light weight feeling of a regular Enduro bikes.
The two things that are bothering me are: 1) Does it have enough power as with the normal eBikes which I have today, I'm riding very different effort level tracks (much longer and steeper).
2) Considering the above (different effort level tracks), does these bikes have enough range - what is the range ratio to a regular 750w ebikes (with the range extender of course)?
How much did you pay the compares (deer and the horse)? I hope they got some good treats for these shots ;-)
awesome bike, Mondraker just catapulted themselves up to my N°1 and 2 most wanted E-Bikes, with the Neat and the Dune
If u need range extender you need full power MTB. Once you add range extender weight between SL and full EMTB is neglectable.
But you don't always need the range.... that's the point.
How can a pushbike cost as much as a motorbike, utter madness
Have ridden a bunch of both lighter weight emtbs and full power ones, and having bought a full power Ibis Oso with the Bosch CX motor and 750 wH battery, I really enjoy the full power emtb experience. One thing I didn’t realize until riding emtbs, and from the comments it is clear that a lot of the naysayers don’t understand either, is that emtbing is a totally different thing than mtbing. You can plow through everything like on a DH track with a DH bike. You can rip singletrack trails at ridiculous speeds for extended periods with no let up, even on the hills. And when you want to get a boring slog over to get to the fun part, you can go to turbo and it’s done. And then, as you’re riding along, and you spy out of the corner of your eye the most stupid, steep, technical climb you can imagine, the kind of thing usually left to motos, you stop, turn off, and hit it. And the beauty is, if I want to work harder on not so insane stuff, I just go down to Tour Mode- with full power you can always go lower, but with mid power you can only go so high on the power and speed. Which brings me to another point I don’t get with mid power emtbs- touting the extender battery. By time you add that, and use a reasonable spec level, I’ll bet that bike will be not far from the 53lb weight of my Oso Size Large.
I don’t ride my emtb at all like I do my regular mtb, and I don’t want to. Which is why, currently, I have no interest in a “lightweight” one. That climb you had to carry the bike up- on a full power you RIDE it. That’s the point to me of emtbs. Trying to have the same experience of an mtb with a motor is just not for me. When I want that, I’lll ride my analog bike.
full power all day johnny