I can't believe you did not read the part with the table and the chairs... ‘So, this,’ the Lion said, gesturing to the long table. ‘This surprises me. A work of emotion, not logic.’ The light of the late afternoon, discoloured by the storm, flooded the chamber through high windows. A long table, carved from stone, dominated the length of the room. Around it were twenty-one chairs, all built for the scale of a primarch. Each one was cut from the same mountain granite as the table. The chair backs were draped with banners. The great seat, at the head of the long table was draped with the pennant of Terra. Two of the other pennants were plain and made of bleached, un-dyed cloth. The other eighteen were the banners of the Legiones Astartes. ‘You did this?’ The Lion asked. ‘Are you mocking it?’ asked Guilliman. The Lion shook his head. ‘It moves me. You still believe in a day when all of us, all of us, can sit at a table with our father, as equals, and talk of the matters of empire.’ ‘All of us,’ Guilliman nodded. ‘You made this room in anticipation of that?’ ‘Yes, many years ago. Does that make me sentimental?’ asked Guilliman. ‘No, brother,’ said the Lion. ‘It shows you possess a soul.’ He set his hands on the back of one of the chairs bearing an un-dyed banner and leaned. ‘Two will never come,’ he said. ‘Yet their absence must be marked,’ replied Guilliman. ‘Places must be left for them. That is simply honour.’ The Lion straightened up, and slowly pointed, in turn, at the banners of Horus, Magnus, Perturabo, Mortarion, Curze, Angron, Alpharius, Lorgar and Fulgrim. ‘Others will never take their seats, unless as conquerors,’ he said. ‘I know,’ said Guilliman. ‘Yet their places must be kept. I believe in the Imperium… In the continuity of the Imperium.’ ‘That it will endure?’ ‘That it must endure. That we must make it endure.’
“Everything is fine Guilliman. I have a minor bat problem on my ship.” Konrad screeching as he plows into a squad of Dark Angels. “But my Knights have it covered.”
Next squad(21 squad of the day) makes themselves ready with Plasma weapons since the last used Volkit weapons as they prepare to enter the sealed of section of the ships bowls...
Likely, many Fallen helped against the Alpha Legion, so if they came back to Fenris and asked help from the Space Wolves, a mix of honour and sentimentality could cause them to accept working or helping in secret without asking for explanations.
More like several Sectors. With just 6000, the Black Templars are considered nigh unstoppable in case of rebellion... During the Grand Master of Assassins' tyrany, much fewer Marines were enough to make a coup d'état on Terra...
The Lion is the right son to conquer an empire. Robute is the right son to build the empire. Rogal is the best to fortify the empire. Sanguinius (blessed be my sons name) is the right son to rule the empire.
Guilliman's mom should have become an imperial saint and show back up to keep him humble, I mean then there is the part she stares down The Night Haunter.
Can you imagine, following the Lion waking up (because he is almost certainly the next), he and Guilliman are arguing about how to fix the broken-to-hell-in-a-hand-grenade Imperium, Euten shows up wreathed in a golden light and just stares them down until they both just stop and apologize like scolded children. Because you know she would.
@@SemiOmni314 probably not. Hell. I was listening to Unremembered Empire yesterday and she was chastising the FIRST MASTER for thinking that Guilliman was utterly infallible. This tiny frail woman put the Highest Ranking Ultramarine (after the Tetrarch) in his place with a five minute verbal bitch slap. And likely would have continued to do so had one of Guilliman's adjutants not guided her away. I think her brand of Verbal beatdowns are sorely lacking in 41k. Imagine her verse Fratier Matthieu. I'd put serious money that not only would she win, but Guilliman would bring popcorn for the show.
I really liked to conversation between Guilliman and Euten, it really shows how she is like his mother. Like Konrad Curze said later in the book because she helped raise Guilliman he is the only Primarch to have a "mother".
Didn't some of the other Primarchs have parents, like Sanguinies for example? Or is it just that Guilliman is the only one who saw his adoptive parents as parents?
Imagine the Lion and Guilliman in a heated discussion, then Euton appears, and she speaks: "Stop arguing this instant, or you will get no cookies after dinner" The Lion looks baffled that this little woman dared to speak to him that way, but he is more surprised when he sees Guilliman ashamed, hands behind his back, head bowed and with a pout he says: "Yes, mom. Sorry..."
That is a great scene. I feel the Lion has been written very differently from book to book. This was my favorite portrayal of him. I love that he embraced Robby. It contributes to the idea that the Lion may be socially awkward, but he is not a machine. He cares for others, at least some others, but is not sure how to interact with people. Other depictions of him, I think, go too far into uncaring machine territory. I found the description of him as not understanding his underlings or their capabilities hard to swallow. How can you be one of the best generals ever and not know what your people can do?
There's a very popular variation on this- making the rounds of the internets- and one that I happen to like a lot: The Lion is correctly suspicious of the ambition and potential for evil in his brothers, and feels there's nobody he can properly bond with. This shows more social acumen than he's usually credited with.
I treasured every moment Guilliman and Euten interact. You can even see in the stern Guilliman a glimpse of warmth and tenderness each time he addressed her
Ive gained a deeper respect for the Primarch's due to this channel. Now as a result I'm giving different chapters I wasn't initially intrigued by another look. Thanks Wolf Lord Rho.
@@marcuscordova5717 Leman Russ sent a watch pack to keep watch on each of the primarchs for signs of chaos taint, and then eliminate them, call for help. Some of them got brutally done over when they arrived to certain chapters (Night Lords)
To me Lion is a huge as-hole, HE is up there along with: arch douchebag Horus, Lorgar, Corfaeron and Erebus in contest for biggest as-holes in galaxy. He almost killed Sanguinius on Davin, lied like crazy to everyone hes entire life, treated hes foster father like garbage after discovery by Emperor which led to destruction of Caliban, vendetta against Conrad Kurze through Ultramar coused countless millions of dead. Simply put it the only reason Lion didn't followed Horus is that he was TO PROUD and FULL OF HIMSELF and resented Warmaster title not being given to him the most of all Primarchs. Dark Angels was the only legion that was near Lunar Wolves\Sons of Horus military achievements level and amount of space conquered and put to compliance.
@@94EyeEagle True cant deny that but still Lion was a dick :) to both Guiliman and Sanguinius but that was hes character i suppose introvert that doesn't trust anyone. Imagine what would happen if he told papa smurf that he has Kurze inside hes flag ship, many problems would be avoided, like the drop assault (it looked like this from smurf perspective) order that almost got wiped out by McCrags AA defence triggered by Kurze.
@@plaski1114 "the only reason lion didint follow horus is that he is too proud and full of himself" this state ment is completely ridiculous if you take into account the lions lore. 1. He hates the warp; he was exposed to chaos at an age much earlier and directly than all of his brothers he knows not to trust chaos ; And he hates his fallen brothers for getting corrupted so easily. 2 "Loyalty is its own reward". The lion didint care much about being war master he only cares to serve the imperium its as simple as that. Hell he even kept kurze alive for the emperors sake. Had the dark angels and the Lion joined horus I belive the imperium would have lost the heresy completely, the lion has a right to be arrogant he is the eldest brother and his legion expertise , and actions were the back bone of the imperiums victory and thats a fact. Also he did not treat his foster father like garbage , infact its quite the opposite. Luther took the time to contemplate letting a nuclear device go off and kill the lion out of jealousy. Now, if any other primarch had found out they would have killed luther on the spot; but what did the lion do? He spared him and exiled him to calban and entrusted the future of his *entire* legion to him, while the lion never vocalised this he did this out of love which I think is amazing.
@@nananyarko9682 I second this, I honestly think the Lion cared too much, however my worry would be if he did return he would lose that side of him and truly become the machine of death everyone sees him as
Ultramarine: We feel inferior to the Dark Angels because they are the first legion to serve the Emperor. Guilliman: Daddy's home. Dark Angels: We are jealous of those mineral pigments because their dad's back while our dad is sleeping his ass off like the galaxy is not on fire.
@Dionysus’ Grapes Yeah, we have an annual holiday dedicated to the oh-so-perfect Sanguinius. At least you got a holiday out of it, which is something the sons of Medusa cannot say.
I think Robute is far more sensitive than the lore has let on. There are examples - his encounter with Kor Phaeron, his thoughts about Konor where he just misses his dad. I think even his dedication to organisational skill could be a way to compensate for the deep wellspring of feelings he truly experienced. Guilliman had a mother figure, rare for the Primarchs. Feudal Lord meets the Democratic Leader. I love how similar they are yet reach such different results
There is a theory that the Lion is like a Mirror. Other Primarchs see in him their own insecurities reflected back. This helps explain why his depictions are so different.
@@gavinminty4974 more likely that differend authors just have different takes on him. He one of those Primarchs that are harder to write then some others. His characterisation has for the longest time just been "not sharing his secrets" "being quiet". Not a whole lot to go on.
Im not going to lie, I think its super cute how Guilliman refer to the Lion as 'My Big Brother' to Euten. Its tiny, but I love those human moments between the Primarchs. Despite everything, they are siblings - and I find it incredibly precious.
One of the most Badass characters in the 40k Universe, being verbally demolished by Euten. It makes you think what the other primarchs would have turned out like, if they had someone to metaphorically clip them around the ear.
@@PeachDragon_ I've heard that his intended role before the Butcher's Nails was hammered into his brain was to serve as the glue that kept his brothers together; Angron's power was supposed to be empathy. Which is another one of the great tragedies of the Imperial Household, that such an untapped reservoir of love and joy became twisted into an unlimited source of hatred and pain.
I am a First Legion guy. The Lion all the way. I have the audio of this book and this is my favorite part to replay. The meeting tells you SO much about the two primarchs. Roboute felt that he needed to justify himself to the Lion, that he was overshadowed by him. The Lion had legitimate affection for Guilliman, but was willing to "burn and splinter Macragge" if necessary. The Lion did not ever build HIS own empire, it was all for his father. Guilliman saw the 500 worlds as his own, an issue of vanity. I like Roboute, but the Lion is my guy.
There's so much of WH40k (or 30k as it would be) that I do not know and probably even more things I have misunderstood; however didn't Guilliman practically crown Sanguinius as the rightful heir of Imperium Secundus? That particular picture used where he holds Sanguinius' hand raised with his own. If I am right about how I understand that one, this also means he considers Sanguinius as the rightful heir of ALL of the Imperium should something happen to their father. Macragge is under Guilliman's rule, but he is no king/emperor. He is a General or Lord. A Primarch. Second only to the Emperor of Mankind OR the Warmaster who acts in his stead. I don't think Guilliman displays a whole lot of vanity in the ways of owning his own worlds. All of it belongs to the Emperor.
@@Catonzo, Guilliman and the Lion both were, in the absence of their father, willing to settle on Sanguinius as a trustworthy compromise. In this very book, Guilliman says that it was HIS empire, the 500 worlds, though he would never say it out loud. Besides, with the Lion present, who Guilliman admits to feeling overshadowed by, he couldn't take the crown of the Emperor himself but he was willing to give it to the Lion until a 3rd, more preferrable option appeared. Thing that makes it vanity is that even when he had agreed to grant the throne of Imperium Secundus to Sanguinius, he kept assuming back authority. Sanguinius had to correct him a number of times. In one such outburst, he broke the Lionsword. I think that the case is made fairly well between The Unremembered Empire, Angels of Caliban, and Pharos. I think that Guilliman is both good and noble, but he is not perfect. He becomes attached to his creations, positions, and institutions. David Annandale points this out well in Guilliman's primarch novel.
Primarchs, for all their warlike tendencies and quirks, are all incredibly observant, wise, and intelligent. Even madmen like Kurze, Angron and Perturabo (arguably) have great intellect at their disposal. They may not always show it but damn if they aren't.
@@tomtheconqerur why does everyone forget that Nuceria wasn’t some run of the mill death world? Nuceria had the ability to ENSLAVE a primarch and add In the nails, and not even The lion could have succeeded
@@tomtheconqerur Also, he was literally ambushed and weakened by Aeldari assassins when he was still in baby mode who foresaw Angron's future as a butcher of worlds. If they hadn't have ambushed him, he wouldn't have been tired and weakened enough for the slavers to capture.
Easy to understand why Guilliman is so beloved by many. Can't imagine many of the Primarchs allowing such an exchange with one of their subordinates. Definitely going to order this book.
"Chapter master Calgar may i please take command of the operation at hand?" It's not the exact quote but it's still what made me love him, he ASKED his chapter master if he could take command, no other primarch would ask, not even vulkan.
The First. So precise that they can make the master of the Ultramarines envious. Think about that. The Ultramarines, held up as the paragon of all things Space Marine, get out Space Marined. Even over Sanguinious, Guilliman looks up to Lion. Adds more to the speculation that The Lion may have been named warmaster, had he been found before Horus. But we also see a bit of Lion's flaw. He shows respect for Guilliman by showing perfection. He probably would have done the same, had he visited Fulgrim. But while Guilliman showed admiration, bordering on envy, Fulgrim would have showed envy, bordering on rage. But this is also a wiser Lion. One who had started to understand betrayal, and started to prepare for the unexpected. He is absolutely correct to have the legion on standby. To keep Curze a secret. This is a Lion who follows the "trust, but verify" doctrine. I sincerely hope Lion is the next to return to 40k. I think it creates interesting interplay. A chapter that has some suspicion around them, led by someone Guilliman respects more than anyone other than The Emperor. But The Lion has been burned by betrayal. How much can Johnson allow himself to trust his brother? Will doubtful 40k Guilliman become overly deferential to the one loyalist primarch he truly feels is beyond him? Will Lion be wise enough to realize that Guilliman covers some of his own weaknesses?
The Lions biggest flaw is the fact he just doesn't really that good at interacting or judging other people, this flaw led to the Dark Angels Legion being torn in half because the Lion banished Luther back to Caliban. This flaw is highlighted in one perticular scene in the Fallen Angels book where a Dark Angel called Namiel comes to the realisation that it was actually Luther who was the one who united the Knightly Orders on Caliban after having doubts about the Lion when the Lion asked for his opinion on the Imperial Govenor and Mechanicum reprisentive of the planet Diamat.
@@chaptermastermarneuscalgar6926 Right. He's almost like an advanced AI, trying to use intelligence to appear to be human. But he just doesn't have the frame of reference. He will try to be human, but will never quite get it. And that inability to relate leads to an inability to read, which justifies his caution. But I think that makes him dangerous, and effective. He's almost a psychopath in that regard. He can reach pragmatic decisions, without much humanity getting in the way. He can embrace the cold calculus of battle more easily than some of his brothers.
@@Tiglath-Pileser3 That's true. I think it was him who wanted to bomb calth from orbit just to get curze out. He doesn't care about the means just the end.
@@wizard0313 No. The legion that would later be called The Dark Angels were the first to be made. The legion is still often called The First. But Horus was the first discovered, after Chaos had scattered the primarchs.
As a history buff, I love some of the historical references in Warhammer 40,000. When the Wolves follow Guilliman and he says "you're making me looking like a chieftain of Illyrium." Illyria (later Illyricum) was a region north-east of Italy which was filled was barbaric peoples who frequently practised piracy and raiding.
The Wolves are the Varangian Guard of the Emperors of Constantinople. The first knightly order was the Hospitaller Order, like the 1st Legion, they wore black until a later color swap.
40K's full of historical reference, which is what helps fill it out and bring it to life! There's references to many of the great and powerful empires and armies, Roman, Greek, Persian, Viking, Anglo-Saxon, Sarmatian; with the Roman connection I guess being the most common. The Astartes is taken from the Roman "Hastati", the front line, the spear-tip of the Roman army, still wielding Gladius'. There are countless nods to little things like this, which as a fellow historian, more specifically archaeologist, really appeals to me! Even in the far, grim dark future, mankind cannot escape its past! :D
@@TheEyez187, we history minded sorts are a bit "that way", aren't we. I particularly liked the Polish reference in Legion by Dan Abnett. They even used the old ranks and names.
@@kingbaldwiniv5409 Indeed, "that way" is the best way! Predoo Whilst Rome considered many other people's as barbarians, uncivilized and barbaric. The term "Barbarian", originally coined by the Greeks and later adopted by the Romans, referred to anyone who didn't speak Greek or Latin; in reference to the babbling they heard when said people's spoke their own language and appeared to be going Bar bar bar or blah blah blah; strange but true! :D
@@TheEyez187, I am familiar with it sir! Don't worry, those of us that seek out this sort of history learn a lot of the same things because of our motivations and sources. I am on a museum's board of directors and do most of the classes and tours. I appreciate archaeologists, but one paleontology class is as far as I got.
By the God-Emperor. Tarasha Euten is a treasure. [Spoilers ahead] That the Wolves of Faffnr Bludbroder and the Primarch of the Salamanders risked and gladly gave their lives for her (some quite a few times...) is no mystery to me.
I actually love how Guilliman is typically portrayed as a cool and collected commander and builder of empires but on a personal level there are so many things that upset him, make him feel envious or otherwise get on his mind just like normal person.
There are a few things to consider in this passage. It is hinted at here that the Dark Angels helped wipe out (almost all) the Thunder Warriors when their time was over. This does also play into their secretive nature. I did see it written somewhere that although both Guilliman and The Lion were loyal, their loyalty was different. Guilliman was loyal to the Imperium as an ideal whereas The Lion was loyal only to the Emperor. The Space Wolf feud scene to ruin all the formality was also pretty cool. The wolves actually top this moment later in the novel when they fight Curze for real to protect Guilliman's mother.
They might have lost the Honor duel with The Lion, but they did pretty much end up trolling everybody. That victory was far greater and more outstanding than the Honor duel could have been.
Their loyalty differed ? One to the Emperor and another tot he Imperium ? The Emperor is the Imperium. For all his shortcomings, and misinterpretations, the Emperor loves all of mankind and sees them all as his children.
Unremembered Empire is probably my favourite book of the series. Know No Fear is almost as good, both being fantastic "redemption" for the Ultramarines and Guilliman after the stupidity and damage Matt Ward did to them. There is so much of it that is fantastic. Euten is an amazing character, the Watch Pack are hilarious and badass with their fight against Curze, Vulkan's insanity, the Alpha Legion assassination attempt, Guilliman's humanity opened up, Curze vs The Lion and Guilliman - Abnett is one of, if not the best, writers of the series. I hope you also do a video of the Primarchs discussion in the special room a bit later in the book. That's a great scene about all the Primarchs as well.
It might be funny. Since the Lion is probably going to come in and be like "Guilliman I am here to make sure you are not taking over from father and-" "Brother!" Guilliman just hugs him and the Lion is just standing their awkwardly.
@@AdeptKing Im pretty sure he did the hug to phycisally check Guillyman if he has any physical muation (the clear sign of Chaos muation). It would be a really nice comeback.
@@messageinthebottle1673 one of their canon successor chapters still maintains their of colour scheme as well as ancient suits of power armour and a heavenfall blade
@@Lukey2481 'na mate, not talking about that ya know Bob' 'fair enough Lionel, a cold one and kangaroo skewers? While we tag along to The Fortress of Hera' 'Yeeea mate!' 'Noice mate!' 'yeeah' 'yeeah'
I had a rare chuckle at the exchange between the wolves and Rob on the staircase. As for Rob and the Lion; I actually found Rob's personal feelings... well, kind of charming really. I also agree that the Lion has become a marquis player in the series; his appearances pop off the pages for me and he's 'leveled-up' for lack of a better term as the years have gone by in terms of his character development and abilities. I hope we see him soon in 40k
It is most interesting thought: Guilliman thinking that Lion is better then him, overshadowing him. How will he feel when his brother return in M42? He is now second only to the Emperor in modern Imperium, and with Lion’s return, will he feel jealous? Or relieved? Or even both?
I think he will only feel relieved,also i think that Guiliman is overthinking,The Lion had MANY issues that Guiliman does not have,things that make Guiliman a far better commander and leader...The Lion was stuck up,could not let a grudge go,always thought he was in the right,and at a few situations he flew into a rage that was like that of Perturabo,The Lion even killed a Dark Angel out of rage,something that Guiliman would never do. Even Malcador said that The Lion was apart from his brothers because he was always watching and scheming,he was a primarch,sure,but not a very inspiring leader.
@@Buhlmanzky That is because the lion was "designed" to have all the traits of the other primarch..... He has all their flaws and all their strengths. Not excelling at anything he is a jack of all trades (well supposed to be, his personality will ultimately have affected a lot of the other traits but that was shaped in solitude in the wilds of caliban had he been raised by the emperor as intended his personality may have been very different). He was the prototype for all the other primarchs as his legion was the prototype for all the others they didn't excel at anything. Its prob where guilleman got the idea of making the space marine chapters adaptable to any situation when he wrote the astartes codex.
@@Buhlmanzky You say Guiliman is a better commander and leader, but The Lion achieved far more during the Great Crusade with far fewer soldiers in less time. Guiliman is the tactician of the primarchs, The Lion is the strategist. As for being an uninspiring leader, consider that Guiliman looks up to him, that Astartes from other legions feel the urge to kneel in front of him when they feel they need to merely bow to their own primarchs.
The Lion was the MOST inspiring primarch and best warlord. Guilliman marked the Lion as outshining him. Horus only cared about beating out the Lion for Warmaster. Typhon felt an urge to kneel to Horus, but was overwhelmed by the need to kneel to the Lion. Russ thought that the Lion would be one of the two with the most conquests. That was WITH the sidebar in the Rangdan Xenocide. Magnus said the Lion had the "heart of a scholar", high praise from the Crimson King. Russ noted that the Lion had a lot of friends on Terra and did well in the Imperial Court. The Lion was as good or better than any of his brothers in strategy, tactics, and gamesmanship. He fooled Khyros Fateweaver, pulled truth from Curze, and plays multi-dimensional chess in Dreadwing. The Lion is the best of the primarchs.
Anton TK Relieved for sure. He isn't prideful and Lion's return would only help the struggling Imperium. Bobby G needs all the demigod help he can get.
This book changed my preconceptions of Rowboat. I found he was nothing at all how I imagined he would be. In my head I had him down as a starchy, humourless jobsworth. But upon reading this novel I discovered that in fact he has a wry sense of humour and is deeply (although controlled) emotional.
that how humanity in 40k sees him. However, he is much more entertaining to be around then you would expect. even his own sons in 40k believed he would be grimmer, but no he tells a joke more or less all the time.at least when no one is going to die.
Also need to remember that when the primarchs were spirited away from their incubation chambers, they did not re-appear in their respective worlds at the same time. So in theory, the Lion may not have lived the longest years despite being the first in the incubation chambers.
Correct. Horus was found only a couple years into the Great Crusade, but the Lion was found something like 100-120 years in, despite only living for like 30 years on Caliban before being found.
@@arthurrebello919 he still looked like a young boy so only a few years... that being said as seen with horus the way they age may vary from primarch to primarch
Love how you go into the personality of the Primarchs, what made them who they were and some insight into what they became and why. Lots of food for thought. Well done.
I don't think so. Military wise, yes, he was one of, if not the best. But in terms of the other responsibilities, he was left in the dirt. I think Sanguinius was the only other Primarch that would have had any chance to take it.
@@helios0074 I agree. While I am a huge Lion fan and he is easily my favorite Primarch (been playing Dark Angels table top since their launch), he would not have done well as the Warmaster. In one of the first Horus Heresy books, I forget which one since they came out so long ago, it is stated that one of the main reasons Horus was chosen as Warmaster, was not only was he the favorite son, but he also was the only Primarch to completely share the Emperors vision of a united humanity (minus the knowledge of what the Emperor was trying to do to the Chaos Gods). Horus Pre-Quad-Chaos-God-Empowering would probably have been beaten by the Lion and his Legion in an all out war, possibly even easily, but where the Lion was amazing in one arena (war/fighting) he was woefully lacking in loads of other areas that are necessary for rule and empire building. The Lion had no charisma, relatively no ability to bring a world into the Imperium unless it was with war, he had a great amount of pride as well, and socially was inept when compared with others like Horus, Guilliman, and Sanguinius. The Lion could probably take them all in a war, but the Emperor wasn't looking for a scorched earth plan for the galaxy. He wanted unity. He ultimately wanted peace. He wanted worlds to willingly submit to the Imperium without conquering them, but war would suffice if they refused. Now if the Warmaster was just the one in control of the military he would easily be the best choice. If they divided the tasks among the Primarchs, the Lion's task would be head general. Sanguinius could have been the "Leader", the Lion could conquer for the Imperium, Guilliman could build/ be in charge of diplomacy, and Dorn could defend it. As it was the Warmaster was in charge under the Emperor so he kinda had all those parts to himself and only having one out of four necessary skills (maybe two because the Lion could defend via slaughtering any attackers), is not a good enough skill ratio for the presiding ruler of Primarchs.
@@danceswithgerbals1 Lion had no charisma, we are talking about a primarch here, chap. I agree on the other points though. That being said Lion was not Angron and his World Eaters. Even if he secured a planet through conquest he wouldn't have done it in a way that it'd leave it in ruin. He was smarter than that.
@@emirhaneksioglu4503 I am unsure what you are claiming because I mentioned that, "...where the Lion was amazing in one arena (war/fighting) he was woefully lacking in loads of other areas that are necessary for rule and empire building. _The Lion had no charisma,_ relatively no ability to bring a world into the Imperium unless it was with war, he had a great amount of pride as well, and socially was inept when compared with others like Horus, Guilliman, and Sanguinius." So we agree on that. And ya he never leveled civilizations to the ground because he was far to superb a commander to need to that, which my scorched earth mention referred more to going to war for every planet as opposed to just wiping out 90% of each planet.
Loved this meeting, the 1st legion was my fave from day 1, even before there was mention of the lion. The lion is my faveourite by far of the primarchs but I guess I am byassed being a dark angel tragic. His return would be huge and though I haven't collected or painted 40k figures for perhaps 20 years.... A new lion model may see me return 👍
This is the First lore video across many channels, that made me order this book. Fucking well done sir. The insight you brought forth, man gotta read this now. Thanks!
He was now only a few paces away. The lion stopped short and removed his helm. He watches as his brother did the same, pulling the blue helmet of the ultramarines tight to his side. He bowed his head in acknowledgment as he closed the final few paces between them. There could be no doubt, this was his brother. The Lion could now see the heaviness in his face and eyes. Weariness? Perhaps. This new imperium they have both found themselves thrust into was indeed burdensome place. Or was it weariness of the lion himself. Why him. Why this brother and not another? Why the Lion, the one whom was banished for his secrets. He shook the notion from his mind. They were nearly face to face now, and as ElJhonson prepared to speak, his words became stuck in his throat, he felt a pain in his chest. The pain of regret. The pain of failure. The pain of bonds broken that had not yet been mended. The lion stopped short of his brother. He could see the sadness in Roboute's eyes, but also the fire that only the eyes of a primarch could hold. His mind was now racing, desperately searching for the right words to say, he had never been as good a statesman as his brother for whom these things seem to flow naturally. He feigned a cough as if clearing his throat, now barely holding his classic stoic and aloof gaze that had served him all his life. And then it happend. The great winged helm he held at his waist was now tumbling in slow motion Before him. His brother, without a word or sound, and without even the Lions exemplary reflexes allowed to react, embraced him with such force that this time it was the Lions helm that was dislodged from his grip. He winced at first at the sounds of his helmet rolling and clanking off the ceremite floor, but the strength of the embrace he now found himself in said everything that was needed to be said between them. Relief washed over him, and the Lion replied with an embrace of his own. One befitting a Lion of the first. And as they each pulled back Guiliman smiled for the first time since their eyes met. He looked down at the Lions helmet and bent over to pick it up. As he rose to hand it back to his brother so spoke for the first time. "Your getting slow old man." Said Guilliman with a smirk. The lion roared in laughter, the memory of their last meeting brushing his mind. "Perhaps I am, " he let his response hang..." but I'm still faster than Angron." Robute's face darkened if only for a moment at the mention of his traitorous brothers foul name. Then placing a hand on the Lions shoulder he said " Now that brother, is a story I must hear."
Will you do interactions between characters in the books? An example would be when that crippled blood angel walked with a custodian guard down to help protect the throne of terra and they passed normal civilians, the way they each treated them was huge. Please do videos on that!
Not a big fan of the ultra marine, but I do like Calgar and papa smurf. So much has been written about papa smurf, he is by far the most flash out primarch. In 30 and 40k I really enjoy his conversion with his trusted human advisor/friends.
I love Lion. He is so awesome. He’s so imperfectly perfect for 30k/40k. He and RG have such great chemistry together. Can’t wait for their reunion in 40k.
I think, in the current timeline, if The Lion returned and met Guiliman that Guiliman, even with his controlled emotions nature, would embrace Lion like the Lion embraced him in this novel. I imagine the reaction would the the same just reversed. Guiliman being more loving and Lion being caught off guard by Guiliman actually showing emotion. I would really love to read that meeting and by the look of things the Lion may be returning soon.
10.000 years, 10.003 years. Close enough I say. Can't wait to get that book into my hands at last. If thw writing is up to the standard of this model, we are in for a treat.
Honestly this universe and lore is as close to a masterpiece as it gets. I hope the quality increases. I've become nervous that the modern lore may get kinda rough.
as guilaman,in the rare times he can be home on macrage goes to a certain graveyard,alone he sees the graves,each one,dug for his adoptive family and the ultramarines he truely exalted. the avenging son would sit next to the grave of his adoptive parents, and chuckled "mom,dad....if you were both here....youd be wanting me to relax as i cried myself to sleep every night,wouldnt you...funny... now that i think of it." as the sword of unity placed a caring hand upon it,hed get up and mourn,only to see in the distance,the feathers of a hawk,and a raven. on the ground. the feathers of both birds in the area gave guilaman flashbacks,to that of corvus and sanguinius,brothers he, albeit not got along with usualy, were his dauntless few, his trusted and those he worked well with. "this must be what it is like for you,isnt it....being broken,nearly alone.... unable to save anyone. and that's what you both felt. pain,sorrow,lonelyness." drawing his gladius incandel,with one motion,the feathers would be sent on there way via the wind "sanguinius,corvus... whereever you may be are my brothers....i only hope it is a place better then here." in the warp, the sanguinor looked out to the chaos drenched hellscape,and to the star child. the sanguinor spoke. "tell me, father. do you know if we may ever retake the galaxy and save it again?" the star child shook his head "i know not. but i have faith in guilaman. i only hope his will can survive long enough to see his brothers again. the lion especially" "would omegon even join guilaman?" the star child shook his head again "i know not. but its possible." to be continued...
So I just finished listening to "our martyred lady" audio drama. The chaos presence is repeatedly referenced as 'the 8 turned god' hearing Guilliman called ' the 8th found Lord' freaked me out way more than it should have.
Wolf Lord Rho your title does you great justice.. I want to say thank you for bringing the Primarchs to life and making them relatable . I've found myself more interested in getting to know more about them . Can't wait for your next upload
My favorite video. The meeting of these two brothers, it's epic. Roboute humor adds a unique dimension to his character its fantastic. Great background music choice doesn't overshadow or drown the meeting, buts builds upon it. A sense of calm before the storm of horus siege.
You also have to respect the fact that Guilliman acknowledged that Fafnir likely would have actually taken his head with that strike. Given a prime opportunity a space marine actually can kill a primarch
After listening to this exchange between Guilliman and the Lion, it's clear that Luther is the villain, although it's his perceived slight by the Lion that set off the series of events that would doom Caliban. Chaos, of course, is always around to take advantage of any situation to gain a new plaything for their game.
Two words. Imperium Secundus. Guilliman's 'back-up' Empire. He disbanded it when it turned out it was no longer necessary of course, but he IS an Empire builder.
I have listened to you wolf lord for some time but I do fine I re listen to this video a lot. I love how Guillemin is called jarl and how the Lion puts a wolf on his arse =D
The Lion is like any older brother. He keeps his eyes and heart open to his younger sibling. He loves his brother deeply but wouldn’t hesitate for a second to put him in his place. If you’re an older brother you understand why that is. And if you’ve ever watched a younger sibling fall to their own vice you know his pain as well. On both these levels I relate to the Lion. And it’s a strange feeling to hear the perspective of a younger siblings thoughts about his older brother. The subtle child like adoration and jealousy is sweet and yet so sad. You can feel love between them and yet this unspoken suspicion. The heresy already taking its toll on them both and you can already see where this will eventually lead in the far future when they reunite. Guillimans vulnerabilities marked by his humane side now amplified by the massive losses suffered by the imperium as well as his revelation of the emperor’s true feelings regarding his children have left him doubting all he’s ever believed. The lion, having been betrayed by his closest friends in his own legion is now colder and even more machine like in his demeanor. More pragmatic than warm. So divorced from his emotions that he would cut Guilliman down without so much as a tear in his eye if he suspected him of anything. The truth of the emperor broke Guillimans heart. The truth of the emperor was always known by El Johnson as he has always known his purpose. It’s a beautiful moment to see here and it’s well read by you sir. It brought a tear to my eye as it made me remember my sibling and me as well. A time before all the pain when I could embrace them and they looked to me for guidance. The story itself is a fine work but the emotion and moment of remembrance was worth it’s weight in gold. Thank you for that.
I have no one to talk to about 40k and this channel helps that deficiency. My wife appreciates it lol. Thank you if you had a patron I would give at least something.
The humanization and humor present in the primarchs wasn't something I expected. I've only ever read a few 40k books and no 30k so I never really read anything with them in it. Guilliman being embarrassed by the wolves in front of his big brother and the giant crowd is pretty funny.
This is more relevant now since both Lord Lionel and Lord Roubute are both back. I really want the baddest team up for the both brothers. They both deserve it.
Keep up the great content... these are the best videos you've done (that I have seen) but I am hardcore biased for my old 40k army. Dark Angels have my favorite primarch and my favorite traitor (Cypher).
Lord Rho. First off, let me say that Dan Abnett is one of my favored authors of 40K stories. Another is Sandy Mitchell, but for other reasons. Abnett's portrayal of Colonel-Commissar Ibram Gaunt is, in my opinion, only second to Sandy Mitchell's portrayal of Ciaphas Cain. Both are shown to be utterly loyal to the Imperium of Man, and yet so vastly different as to be leaders of totally different forces, and utterly different manners of leadership. Gaunt is seen as an utterly loyal man that will weather any trial and come out on top. Whereas Cain sees himself as a coward, and can never see that his 'self indulgent' nature is seen as Heroic by those around him. Both Gaunt and Cain display, in their own unique ways, their loyalty to the Emperor and the Imperium of Man. I did take note that you properly pronounce Gulliman's name as Rho-Butte-E and not some odd pronunciations I have heard over the decades. I tend to agree that the meeting between the Lion and Robute to be significant and meaningful. And Abnett's portrayal goes far to show that both are, indeed, penultimates of Humanity's best aspects, while still maintaining that essential 'humanness' and character that makes us all Human. Both, as other authors and poets have said: An Angel with a Devil inside. I feel that you should keep on making such videos about the Primarchs and others. I would love to see your 'take' upon both Ibram Gaunt, and Ciapas Cain. To me, Gaunt is a pleasure I can publicly take pride in reading of his exploits and those of his men. But Cain is almost a 'guilty' pleasure that I enjoy equally as much, or more. Keep up the good work. I enjoyed this video a lot.
Lion: *breaths*
Guilliman: He's showing off.
Lion: *Farts*
Guilliman: Even his wind smells like freshly baked rolls..... (grinds his teeth)
Maybe he's just that good?
@@koatam He IS that good.
Don’t blame him the lion is the shit
I can't believe you did not read the part with the table and the chairs...
‘So, this,’ the Lion said, gesturing to the long table. ‘This surprises me. A work of emotion, not logic.’
The light of the late afternoon, discoloured by the storm, flooded the chamber through high windows. A long table, carved from stone, dominated the length of the room. Around it were twenty-one chairs, all built for the scale of a primarch. Each one was cut from the same mountain granite as the table. The chair backs were draped with banners. The great seat, at the head of the long table was draped with the pennant of Terra. Two of the other pennants were plain and made of bleached, un-dyed cloth. The other eighteen were the banners of the Legiones Astartes.
‘You did this?’ The Lion asked.
‘Are you mocking it?’ asked Guilliman.
The Lion shook his head. ‘It moves me. You still believe in a day when all of us, all of us, can sit at a table with our father, as equals, and talk of the matters of empire.’
‘All of us,’ Guilliman nodded.
‘You made this room in anticipation of that?’
‘Yes, many years ago. Does that make me sentimental?’ asked Guilliman.
‘No, brother,’ said the Lion. ‘It shows you possess a soul.’
He set his hands on the back of one of the chairs bearing an un-dyed banner and leaned. ‘Two will never come,’ he said.
‘Yet their absence must be marked,’ replied Guilliman. ‘Places must be left for them. That is simply honour.’
The Lion straightened up, and slowly pointed, in turn, at the banners of Horus, Magnus, Perturabo, Mortarion, Curze, Angron, Alpharius, Lorgar and Fulgrim. ‘Others will never take their seats, unless as conquerors,’ he said.
‘I know,’ said Guilliman. ‘Yet their places must be kept. I believe in the Imperium… In the continuity of the Imperium.’
‘That it will endure?’
‘That it must endure. That we must make it endure.’
Damn, I'm gonna read this!
Son of the XII legion thanks for that dude.
Man, reading that gave me chills. I'm really going to have to check this book out
"Two will never come" intruiging.
Wow i really lost major respect for this channel
“Everything is fine Guilliman. I have a minor bat problem on my ship.”
Konrad screeching as he plows into a squad of Dark Angels.
“But my Knights have it covered.”
Next squad(21 squad of the day) makes themselves ready with Plasma weapons since the last used Volkit weapons as they prepare to enter the sealed of section of the ships bowls...
"RRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"
*CRASHING* *RAUCOUS GUNFIRE*
A minor Batman problem, though he's more like the Batman who laughed.
Konrad curze is dead, how the hell is he on the ship??
@@PipMane this is during the Heresy Konrad dies post Heresy
"HE swung at our primarch!!"
"Our Suspicions are confirmed!"
"the space wolves are working with the FALLEN!"
"Make Him REPENT ASMODAI"
REPEEEEENT!!
"Codex of the Secrets of the Dark Angels Chapter? This is unfortunate."
Likely, many Fallen helped against the Alpha Legion, so if they came back to Fenris and asked help from the Space Wolves, a mix of honour and sentimentality could cause them to accept working or helping in secret without asking for explanations.
@@wanabeguitarguy "DID SOMEONE JUST SAY, "MURDER ANYONE VIOLENTLY?!'"
@@wattrocks that's what I heard brother!
That honor guard of 9000 Space Marines would have been enough to crush an entire star system cluster in modern 40k.
More like several Sectors. With just 6000, the Black Templars are considered nigh unstoppable in case of rebellion... During the Grand Master of Assassins' tyrany, much fewer Marines were enough to make a coup d'état on Terra...
That's just it tho back then they were so unstoppable the only threat was themselves
@@atsukunisumeragi1967 A crusade of weaponized autism.
Shouldn't the numbers have an extra two 0s added to have it be more realistic?
@@Observer-O yes but 40k is notoriously inconsistent and struggles with scale
The Lion is the right son to conquer an empire.
Robute is the right son to build the empire.
Rogal is the best to fortify the empire.
Sanguinius (blessed be my sons name) is the right son to rule the empire.
Lorgar is the right son to be a punching bag
Blessed be the Angel of the Imperium and the Emperor's greatest son
@@joeford5181 i just feel sorry for him. he's kinda pathetic
@@dynamicheatwave9949 Pathetic is an understatement
Guilliman's mom should have become an imperial saint and show back up to keep him humble, I mean then there is the part she stares down The Night Haunter.
Living Saint Euten... I can dig it. It'd be interesting to see a Living Saint dedicated to administration and being the Primarch's ear.
Can you imagine, following the Lion waking up (because he is almost certainly the next), he and Guilliman are arguing about how to fix the broken-to-hell-in-a-hand-grenade Imperium, Euten shows up wreathed in a golden light and just stares them down until they both just stop and apologize like scolded children. Because you know she would.
@@Aurora-313 I don't think Guilliman would take it well if his mom started believing that his father was a God
@@SemiOmni314 probably not. Hell. I was listening to Unremembered Empire yesterday and she was chastising the FIRST MASTER for thinking that Guilliman was utterly infallible. This tiny frail woman put the Highest Ranking Ultramarine (after the Tetrarch) in his place with a five minute verbal bitch slap. And likely would have continued to do so had one of Guilliman's adjutants not guided her away.
I think her brand of Verbal beatdowns are sorely lacking in 41k. Imagine her verse Fratier Matthieu. I'd put serious money that not only would she win, but Guilliman would bring popcorn for the show.
@@Aurora-313 that would be a sight to see ...
I really liked to conversation between Guilliman and Euten, it really shows how she is like his mother. Like Konrad Curze said later in the book because she helped raise Guilliman he is the only Primarch to have a "mother".
1:50 Yeah and I bet Euten is "the only" human that could call a Primarch a "Foolish Boy"
That is one hell of a privilege.
@@dadagan8815 An underestimated power.
Didn't some of the other Primarchs have parents, like Sanguinies for example? Or is it just that Guilliman is the only one who saw his adoptive parents as parents?
@@AdeptKing knowing Vulkan, he must've loved his adopted parents
@@dadagan8815 Yeah, remember what happened when Malcador called Horus "boy"? And that was *MALCADOR!*
Imagine the Lion and Guilliman in a heated discussion, then Euton appears, and she speaks:
"Stop arguing this instant, or you will get no cookies after dinner"
The Lion looks baffled that this little woman dared to speak to him that way, but he is more surprised when he sees Guilliman ashamed, hands behind his back, head bowed and with a pout he says:
"Yes, mom. Sorry..."
Leonardo Rocha that would be hilarious and heartwarming to see. I like how Euton helps to bring out the more human side of Guilliman.
@Afqwa this is my head cannon now . I don't even care
Guilliman: Ma'am. Not in front of my big brother!
'Stupid mom didn't cut the crust of my breakfast sandwiches and now this.. In front of big brother... Arg!'
@@setaripantheon8801 I understand your trying to make him look cute. oddly it makes him seem petulant.
That is a great scene. I feel the Lion has been written very differently from book to book. This was my favorite portrayal of him. I love that he embraced Robby. It contributes to the idea that the Lion may be socially awkward, but he is not a machine. He cares for others, at least some others, but is not sure how to interact with people. Other depictions of him, I think, go too far into uncaring machine territory. I found the description of him as not understanding his underlings or their capabilities hard to swallow. How can you be one of the best generals ever and not know what your people can do?
Perhaps the Lion... " matured " since then - for lack of a better word. :/
Much like Perturabo. Best Idea of him is Angel Exterminatus, he moved forward because he chose the path ahead and there is no turning back.
There's a very popular variation on this- making the rounds of the internets- and one that I happen to like a lot: The Lion is correctly suspicious of the ambition and potential for evil in his brothers, and feels there's nobody he can properly bond with. This shows more social acumen than he's usually credited with.
I find that he's mostly portrayed as a stiff unbending dick head haha
The Lion has Asperger's Syndrome... I think most people who are able to write him well have some understanding of that.
I treasured every moment Guilliman and Euten interact. You can even see in the stern Guilliman a glimpse of warmth and tenderness each time he addressed her
Ive gained a deeper respect for the Primarch's due to this channel. Now as a result I'm giving different chapters I wasn't initially intrigued by another look. Thanks Wolf Lord Rho.
That's the great thing about the black library books. They help us see more of the legends. Works great particularly with the Primarchs!
Wolf Lord Rho Why were there Space Wolves with Guilliman?
@@gunslinger1824 I want to know the same thing
@@marcuscordova5717 Leman Russ sent a watch pack to keep watch on each of the primarchs for signs of chaos taint, and then eliminate them, call for help. Some of them got brutally done over when they arrived to certain chapters (Night Lords)
@@GazNixon I appreciate the time you have given for the information.
The Lion, being a stone cold badass as per usual, polite, but tactful and watchful. We really need the Lion at the head of the Unforgiven.
To me Lion is a huge as-hole, HE is up there along with: arch douchebag Horus, Lorgar, Corfaeron and Erebus in contest for biggest as-holes in galaxy.
He almost killed Sanguinius on Davin, lied like crazy to everyone hes entire life, treated hes foster father like garbage after discovery by Emperor which led to destruction of Caliban, vendetta against Conrad Kurze through Ultramar coused countless millions of dead.
Simply put it the only reason Lion didn't followed Horus is that he was TO PROUD and FULL OF HIMSELF and resented Warmaster title not being given to him the most of all Primarchs.
Dark Angels was the only legion that was near Lunar Wolves\Sons of Horus military achievements level and amount of space conquered and put to compliance.
@@plaski1114 to be fair, on the way to Davin, the Lion, Gulliman, and Sangiunius all got bamboozled by the warp
@@94EyeEagle True cant deny that but still Lion was a dick :) to both Guiliman and Sanguinius but that was hes character i suppose introvert that doesn't trust anyone. Imagine what would happen if he told papa smurf that he has Kurze inside hes flag ship, many problems would be avoided, like the drop assault (it looked like this from smurf perspective) order that almost got wiped out by McCrags AA defence triggered by Kurze.
@@plaski1114 "the only reason lion didint follow horus is that he is too proud and full of himself" this state ment is completely ridiculous if you take into account the lions lore. 1. He hates the warp; he was exposed to chaos at an age much earlier and directly than all of his brothers he knows not to trust chaos ; And he hates his fallen brothers for getting corrupted so easily. 2 "Loyalty is its own reward". The lion didint care much about being war master he only cares to serve the imperium its as simple as that. Hell he even kept kurze alive for the emperors sake. Had the dark angels and the Lion joined horus I belive the imperium would have lost the heresy completely, the lion has a right to be arrogant he is the eldest brother and his legion expertise , and actions were the back bone of the imperiums victory and thats a fact. Also he did not treat his foster father like garbage , infact its quite the opposite. Luther took the time to contemplate letting a nuclear device go off and kill the lion out of jealousy. Now, if any other primarch had found out they would have killed luther on the spot; but what did the lion do? He spared him and exiled him to calban and entrusted the future of his *entire* legion to him, while the lion never vocalised this he did this out of love which I think is amazing.
@@nananyarko9682 I second this, I honestly think the Lion cared too much, however my worry would be if he did return he would lose that side of him and truly become the machine of death everyone sees him as
Ultramarine: We feel inferior to the Dark Angels because they are the first legion to serve the Emperor.
Guilliman: Daddy's home.
Dark Angels: We are jealous of those mineral pigments because their dad's back while our dad is sleeping his ass off like the galaxy is not on fire.
Look you gotta get your beauty rest or else Chaos wins. Simple as that!
@Dionysus’ Grapes Yeah, we have an annual holiday dedicated to the oh-so-perfect Sanguinius. At least you got a holiday out of it, which is something the sons of Medusa cannot say.
@@sterasigma8734 All you got was a ghost that constantly reminds you of your weakness....
@@sterasigma8734 Medusa got Tech Week tho, right..?
@@setaripantheon8801 Mechanicus
I think Robute is far more sensitive than the lore has let on. There are examples - his encounter with Kor Phaeron, his thoughts about Konor where he just misses his dad.
I think even his dedication to organisational skill could be a way to compensate for the deep wellspring of feelings he truly experienced.
Guilliman had a mother figure, rare for the Primarchs.
Feudal Lord meets the Democratic Leader. I love how similar they are yet reach such different results
I will give the Lion this...
He knows how to make an ENTRANCE with his lads!
THIS! THIS IS HOW THE LION SHOULD BE WRITTEN!
i feel like descent of the angels did a good job
There is a theory that the Lion is like a Mirror. Other Primarchs see in him their own insecurities reflected back. This helps explain why his depictions are so different.
@@gavinminty4974 more likely that differend authors just have different takes on him. He one of those Primarchs that are harder to write then some others. His characterisation has for the longest time just been "not sharing his secrets" "being quiet". Not a whole lot to go on.
Im not going to lie, I think its super cute how Guilliman refer to the Lion as 'My Big Brother' to Euten. Its tiny, but I love those human moments between the Primarchs. Despite everything, they are siblings - and I find it incredibly precious.
One of the most Badass characters in the 40k Universe, being verbally demolished by Euten.
It makes you think what the other primarchs would have turned out like, if they had someone to metaphorically clip them around the ear.
It would have made a great difference if they'd all had a mum like Euten!
@@Nyctophora Tell me about it. This is why it's just as important for a child to have a maternal figure in addition to a paternal one.
Angron would be like vulkan if he had a mother like euten
@@PeachDragon_ I've heard that his intended role before the Butcher's Nails was hammered into his brain was to serve as the glue that kept his brothers together; Angron's power was supposed to be empathy. Which is another one of the great tragedies of the Imperial Household, that such an untapped reservoir of love and joy became twisted into an unlimited source of hatred and pain.
I am a First Legion guy. The Lion all the way.
I have the audio of this book and this is my favorite part to replay. The meeting tells you SO much about the two primarchs.
Roboute felt that he needed to justify himself to the Lion, that he was overshadowed by him.
The Lion had legitimate affection for Guilliman, but was willing to "burn and splinter Macragge" if necessary.
The Lion did not ever build HIS own empire, it was all for his father. Guilliman saw the 500 worlds as his own, an issue of vanity.
I like Roboute, but the Lion is my guy.
There's so much of WH40k (or 30k as it would be) that I do not know and probably even more things I have misunderstood; however didn't Guilliman practically crown Sanguinius as the rightful heir of Imperium Secundus? That particular picture used where he holds Sanguinius' hand raised with his own. If I am right about how I understand that one, this also means he considers Sanguinius as the rightful heir of ALL of the Imperium should something happen to their father. Macragge is under Guilliman's rule, but he is no king/emperor. He is a General or Lord. A Primarch. Second only to the Emperor of Mankind OR the Warmaster who acts in his stead. I don't think Guilliman displays a whole lot of vanity in the ways of owning his own worlds. All of it belongs to the Emperor.
@@Catonzo, Guilliman and the Lion both were, in the absence of their father, willing to settle on Sanguinius as a trustworthy compromise.
In this very book, Guilliman says that it was HIS empire, the 500 worlds, though he would never say it out loud.
Besides, with the Lion present, who Guilliman admits to feeling overshadowed by, he couldn't take the crown of the Emperor himself but he was willing to give it to the Lion until a 3rd, more preferrable option appeared.
Thing that makes it vanity is that even when he had agreed to grant the throne of Imperium Secundus to Sanguinius, he kept assuming back authority. Sanguinius had to correct him a number of times. In one such outburst, he broke the Lionsword.
I think that the case is made fairly well between The Unremembered Empire, Angels of Caliban, and Pharos. I think that Guilliman is both good and noble, but he is not perfect. He becomes attached to his creations, positions, and institutions.
David Annandale points this out well in Guilliman's primarch novel.
Lion was all about supporting Bobby, he wouldnt hurt his own brothers empire.
I think the Lion chose to deal with Fafnir in the duel, personally, because he knew they had embarrassed Guilliman
Primarchs, for all their warlike tendencies and quirks, are all incredibly observant, wise, and intelligent. Even madmen like Kurze, Angron and Perturabo (arguably) have great intellect at their disposal. They may not always show it but damn if they aren't.
@@Warlordalexi im not sure about Angron, he is the only Primarch that didn't even conquer most of a planet.
@@tomtheconqerur tbf he had an arguably tougher task
@@tomtheconqerur why does everyone forget that Nuceria wasn’t some run of the mill death world? Nuceria had the ability to ENSLAVE a primarch and add In the nails, and not even The lion could have succeeded
@@tomtheconqerur Also, he was literally ambushed and weakened by Aeldari assassins when he was still in baby mode who foresaw Angron's future as a butcher of worlds. If they hadn't have ambushed him, he wouldn't have been tired and weakened enough for the slavers to capture.
The Lion is the kind of guy that comments "First"
John Fraire
You mean he’s a dick.
@@JohnDoe-xv9du 4chan not reddit? cause fkers on 4chan can find which burger king someone works at just from a barcode to get them fired.
Why were the wolves with Guilliman?
😂😂😂👍
Gunslinger they were probably cut off by the ruin storm
Easy to understand why Guilliman is so beloved by many. Can't imagine many of the Primarchs allowing such an exchange with one of their subordinates.
Definitely going to order this book.
Tuor 80 you mean Euten? She's basically his mom.
"Chapter master Calgar may i please take command of the operation at hand?"
It's not the exact quote but it's still what made me love him, he ASKED his chapter master if he could take command, no other primarch would ask, not even vulkan.
@@AdeptKing true. but OP isnt wrong either. guilliman does have such interactions with many people. it humanises him so much!
The First. So precise that they can make the master of the Ultramarines envious. Think about that. The Ultramarines, held up as the paragon of all things Space Marine, get out Space Marined.
Even over Sanguinious, Guilliman looks up to Lion. Adds more to the speculation that The Lion may have been named warmaster, had he been found before Horus.
But we also see a bit of Lion's flaw. He shows respect for Guilliman by showing perfection. He probably would have done the same, had he visited Fulgrim. But while Guilliman showed admiration, bordering on envy, Fulgrim would have showed envy, bordering on rage.
But this is also a wiser Lion. One who had started to understand betrayal, and started to prepare for the unexpected. He is absolutely correct to have the legion on standby. To keep Curze a secret. This is a Lion who follows the "trust, but verify" doctrine.
I sincerely hope Lion is the next to return to 40k. I think it creates interesting interplay. A chapter that has some suspicion around them, led by someone Guilliman respects more than anyone other than The Emperor. But The Lion has been burned by betrayal. How much can Johnson allow himself to trust his brother? Will doubtful 40k Guilliman become overly deferential to the one loyalist primarch he truly feels is beyond him? Will Lion be wise enough to realize that Guilliman covers some of his own weaknesses?
The Lions biggest flaw is the fact he just doesn't really that good at interacting or judging other people, this flaw led to the Dark Angels Legion being torn in half because the Lion banished Luther back to Caliban.
This flaw is highlighted in one perticular scene in the Fallen Angels book where a Dark Angel called Namiel comes to the realisation that it was actually Luther who was the one who united the Knightly Orders on Caliban after having doubts about the Lion when the Lion asked for his opinion on the Imperial Govenor and Mechanicum reprisentive of the planet Diamat.
@@chaptermastermarneuscalgar6926 Right. He's almost like an advanced AI, trying to use intelligence to appear to be human. But he just doesn't have the frame of reference. He will try to be human, but will never quite get it. And that inability to relate leads to an inability to read, which justifies his caution.
But I think that makes him dangerous, and effective. He's almost a psychopath in that regard. He can reach pragmatic decisions, without much humanity getting in the way. He can embrace the cold calculus of battle more easily than some of his brothers.
@@Tiglath-Pileser3 That's true. I think it was him who wanted to bomb calth from orbit just to get curze out. He doesn't care about the means just the end.
The Lion was found before Horus, hence the first legion, no?
@@wizard0313 No. The legion that would later be called The Dark Angels were the first to be made. The legion is still often called The First. But Horus was the first discovered, after Chaos had scattered the primarchs.
Its great to see Guilliman be like a shaken younger brother. He's relatable.
As a history buff, I love some of the historical references in Warhammer 40,000. When the Wolves follow Guilliman and he says "you're making me looking like a chieftain of Illyrium." Illyria (later Illyricum) was a region north-east of Italy which was filled was barbaric peoples who frequently practised piracy and raiding.
The Wolves are the Varangian Guard of the Emperors of Constantinople.
The first knightly order was the Hospitaller Order, like the 1st Legion, they wore black until a later color swap.
40K's full of historical reference, which is what helps fill it out and bring it to life!
There's references to many of the great and powerful empires and armies, Roman, Greek, Persian, Viking, Anglo-Saxon, Sarmatian; with the Roman connection I guess being the most common. The Astartes is taken from the Roman "Hastati", the front line, the spear-tip of the Roman army, still wielding Gladius'. There are countless nods to little things like this, which as a fellow historian, more specifically archaeologist, really appeals to me!
Even in the far, grim dark future, mankind cannot escape its past! :D
@@TheEyez187, we history minded sorts are a bit "that way", aren't we.
I particularly liked the Polish reference in Legion by Dan Abnett. They even used the old ranks and names.
@@kingbaldwiniv5409 Indeed, "that way" is the best way!
Predoo Whilst Rome considered many other people's as barbarians, uncivilized and barbaric. The term "Barbarian", originally coined by the Greeks and later adopted by the Romans, referred to anyone who didn't speak Greek or Latin; in reference to the babbling they heard when said people's spoke their own language and appeared to be going Bar bar bar or blah blah blah; strange but true! :D
@@TheEyez187, I am familiar with it sir!
Don't worry, those of us that seek out this sort of history learn a lot of the same things because of our motivations and sources.
I am on a museum's board of directors and do most of the classes and tours. I appreciate archaeologists, but one paleontology class is as far as I got.
By the God-Emperor. Tarasha Euten is a treasure. [Spoilers ahead]
That the Wolves of Faffnr Bludbroder and the Primarch of the Salamanders risked and gladly gave their lives for her (some quite a few times...) is no mystery to me.
I actually love how Guilliman is typically portrayed as a cool and collected commander and builder of empires but on a personal level there are so many things that upset him, make him feel envious or otherwise get on his mind just like normal person.
There are a few things to consider in this passage. It is hinted at here that the Dark Angels helped wipe out (almost all) the Thunder Warriors when their time was over. This does also play into their secretive nature.
I did see it written somewhere that although both Guilliman and The Lion were loyal, their loyalty was different. Guilliman was loyal to the Imperium as an ideal whereas The Lion was loyal only to the Emperor.
The Space Wolf feud scene to ruin all the formality was also pretty cool. The wolves actually top this moment later in the novel when they fight Curze for real to protect Guilliman's mother.
This book is fantastic, and the space wolves steal the show!
They might have lost the Honor duel with The Lion, but they did pretty much end up trolling everybody. That victory was far greater and more outstanding than the Honor duel could have been.
Their loyalty differed ? One to the Emperor and another tot he Imperium ? The Emperor is the Imperium. For all his shortcomings, and misinterpretations, the Emperor loves all of mankind and sees them all as his children.
So the Space Corgies saved RG's mom. Not bad for a bunch of furries
@@vinayvenkatram8535 propaganda of the corpse god
Unremembered Empire is probably my favourite book of the series. Know No Fear is almost as good, both being fantastic "redemption" for the Ultramarines and Guilliman after the stupidity and damage Matt Ward did to them.
There is so much of it that is fantastic. Euten is an amazing character, the Watch Pack are hilarious and badass with their fight against Curze, Vulkan's insanity, the Alpha Legion assassination attempt, Guilliman's humanity opened up, Curze vs The Lion and Guilliman - Abnett is one of, if not the best, writers of the series.
I hope you also do a video of the Primarchs discussion in the special room a bit later in the book. That's a great scene about all the Primarchs as well.
Does all this happen in Unremembered Empire?
@@kassthered8452 Absolutely. As I said, one of the best books in the series.
@Helios007 'after the stupidity and damage Matt Ward did to them' - how did Matt Ward make them appear?
@@jameswilliam9176 like ultra smurfs.^^
At this point when the Lion returns i just want Bobby G to go hug the Lion and say: Im happy to have you back brother.
Hell yes!
It might be funny. Since the Lion is probably going to come in and be like "Guilliman I am here to make sure you are not taking over from father and-"
"Brother!" Guilliman just hugs him and the Lion is just standing their awkwardly.
@@AdeptKing Im pretty sure he did the hug to phycisally check Guillyman if he has any physical muation (the clear sign of Chaos muation). It would be a really nice comeback.
@@AdeptKing like Vulkan to most people
@@AdeptKing , he did it all ready.
2 Minutes in and I'm reminded why Guillimom is best mom
It's still funny to me that most people forget that the original Dark Angels color scheme was black, rather than their current green, red, and white.
I was incredibly confused, as I didn't know they changed colors like a dolt
God I miss that black
To be fair that color still lives on, with the dark angel raven company.
@@aidanker-foz6511 my custom dark angels successor is still the good Ol black scheme
@@messageinthebottle1673 one of their canon successor chapters still maintains their of colour scheme as well as ancient suits of power armour and a heavenfall blade
“Bob mate!” “Lionel, long time no crusading! How’s the chapter?”
Oh. An Australian wrote the book...
Oh if only haha. Imagine if that was their first greeting to one another.
@@Warlordalexi I would piss me bloody arse of from laughter xD
@@Lukey2481 'na mate, not talking about that ya know Bob'
'fair enough Lionel, a cold one and kangaroo skewers? While we tag along to The Fortress of Hera'
'Yeeea mate!'
'Noice mate!'
'yeeah'
'yeeah'
@@setaripantheon8801 I like to believe that in some parallels world, this is precisely the exchange they had. In thick outback accents too.
And now for the reunion
"you're a pain in the ass, you know that." as if we would want our Vlka Fenryka any other way.
I had a rare chuckle at the exchange between the wolves and Rob on the staircase. As for Rob and the Lion; I actually found Rob's personal feelings... well, kind of charming really. I also agree that the Lion has become a marquis player in the series; his appearances pop off the pages for me and he's 'leveled-up' for lack of a better term as the years have gone by in terms of his character development and abilities. I hope we see him soon in 40k
It is most interesting thought: Guilliman thinking that Lion is better then him, overshadowing him. How will he feel when his brother return in M42? He is now second only to the Emperor in modern Imperium, and with Lion’s return, will he feel jealous? Or relieved? Or even both?
I think he will only feel relieved,also i think that Guiliman is overthinking,The Lion had MANY issues that Guiliman does not have,things that make Guiliman a far better commander and leader...The Lion was stuck up,could not let a grudge go,always thought he was in the right,and at a few situations he flew into a rage that was like that of Perturabo,The Lion even killed a Dark Angel out of rage,something that Guiliman would never do.
Even Malcador said that The Lion was apart from his brothers because he was always watching and scheming,he was a primarch,sure,but not a very inspiring leader.
@@Buhlmanzky That is because the lion was "designed" to have all the traits of the other primarch..... He has all their flaws and all their strengths. Not excelling at anything he is a jack of all trades (well supposed to be, his personality will ultimately have affected a lot of the other traits but that was shaped in solitude in the wilds of caliban had he been raised by the emperor as intended his personality may have been very different). He was the prototype for all the other primarchs as his legion was the prototype for all the others they didn't excel at anything. Its prob where guilleman got the idea of making the space marine chapters adaptable to any situation when he wrote the astartes codex.
@@Buhlmanzky You say Guiliman is a better commander and leader, but The Lion achieved far more during the Great Crusade with far fewer soldiers in less time. Guiliman is the tactician of the primarchs, The Lion is the strategist.
As for being an uninspiring leader, consider that Guiliman looks up to him, that Astartes from other legions feel the urge to kneel in front of him when they feel they need to merely bow to their own primarchs.
The Lion was the MOST inspiring primarch and best warlord.
Guilliman marked the Lion as outshining him. Horus only cared about beating out the Lion for Warmaster. Typhon felt an urge to kneel to Horus, but was overwhelmed by the need to kneel to the Lion.
Russ thought that the Lion would be one of the two with the most conquests. That was WITH the sidebar in the Rangdan Xenocide.
Magnus said the Lion had the "heart of a scholar", high praise from the Crimson King.
Russ noted that the Lion had a lot of friends on Terra and did well in the Imperial Court.
The Lion was as good or better than any of his brothers in strategy, tactics, and gamesmanship. He fooled Khyros Fateweaver, pulled truth from Curze, and plays multi-dimensional chess in Dreadwing.
The Lion is the best of the primarchs.
Anton TK
Relieved for sure. He isn't prideful and Lion's return would only help the struggling Imperium. Bobby G needs all the demigod help he can get.
The lion just really really wants to be the big brother he's supposed to be, i can relate to that.
The Lion Awakes!
Honestly what I love the most about this is these stories of Guilliman compared to how he is now, how much a man like him changed
This book changed my preconceptions of Rowboat. I found he was nothing at all how I imagined he would be. In my head I had him down as a starchy, humourless jobsworth. But upon reading this novel I discovered that in fact he has a wry sense of humour and is deeply (although controlled) emotional.
that how humanity in 40k sees him. However, he is much more entertaining to be around then you would expect. even his own sons in 40k believed he would be grimmer, but no he tells a joke more or less all the time.at least when no one is going to die.
The Lion is proud. And has reason to be.
FOR THE LION!
@@snakeyman5560 FOR THE EMPEROR......
@@snakeyman5560 FOR THE LION!! AND FOR CALIBAN!!!
Proud of half his chapter turning?
@@Ashtor1337 As jealous as Papa Smurf, this one.
When your space marine nanny calls you a foolish boy. You know the primarches are still human at heart.
Also need to remember that when the primarchs were spirited away from their incubation chambers, they did not re-appear in their respective worlds at the same time. So in theory, the Lion may not have lived the longest years despite being the first in the incubation chambers.
Correct. Horus was found only a couple years into the Great Crusade, but the Lion was found something like 100-120 years in, despite only living for like 30 years on Caliban before being found.
marc_destroyer we don't know how long he spend on the magic chaos murder forest.
@@arthurrebello919
Magic chaos murder forests are the best!
Hydra Dominatus, brothers.
@@arthurrebello919 he still looked like a young boy so only a few years... that being said as seen with horus the way they age may vary from primarch to primarch
Oh man, sometime soon you will need to make a Part 2 of this video, this time in 40k.
Love how you go into the personality of the Primarchs, what made them who they were and some insight into what they became and why. Lots of food for thought. Well done.
This book almost proves that The Lion was second to Horus for the Warmaster title.
Doesent really matter . Horus fell becaouse of pride . Nou imagine the Lion warmaster with the over inflated ego
I don't think so. Military wise, yes, he was one of, if not the best. But in terms of the other responsibilities, he was left in the dirt. I think Sanguinius was the only other Primarch that would have had any chance to take it.
@@helios0074 I agree. While I am a huge Lion fan and he is easily my favorite Primarch (been playing Dark Angels table top since their launch), he would not have done well as the Warmaster. In one of the first Horus Heresy books, I forget which one since they came out so long ago, it is stated that one of the main reasons Horus was chosen as Warmaster, was not only was he the favorite son, but he also was the only Primarch to completely share the Emperors vision of a united humanity (minus the knowledge of what the Emperor was trying to do to the Chaos Gods). Horus Pre-Quad-Chaos-God-Empowering would probably have been beaten by the Lion and his Legion in an all out war, possibly even easily, but where the Lion was amazing in one arena (war/fighting) he was woefully lacking in loads of other areas that are necessary for rule and empire building. The Lion had no charisma, relatively no ability to bring a world into the Imperium unless it was with war, he had a great amount of pride as well, and socially was inept when compared with others like Horus, Guilliman, and Sanguinius. The Lion could probably take them all in a war, but the Emperor wasn't looking for a scorched earth plan for the galaxy. He wanted unity. He ultimately wanted peace. He wanted worlds to willingly submit to the Imperium without conquering them, but war would suffice if they refused. Now if the Warmaster was just the one in control of the military he would easily be the best choice. If they divided the tasks among the Primarchs, the Lion's task would be head general. Sanguinius could have been the "Leader", the Lion could conquer for the Imperium, Guilliman could build/ be in charge of diplomacy, and Dorn could defend it. As it was the Warmaster was in charge under the Emperor so he kinda had all those parts to himself and only having one out of four necessary skills (maybe two because the Lion could defend via slaughtering any attackers), is not a good enough skill ratio for the presiding ruler of Primarchs.
@@danceswithgerbals1 Lion had no charisma, we are talking about a primarch here, chap.
I agree on the other points though. That being said Lion was not Angron and his World Eaters. Even if he secured a planet through conquest he wouldn't have done it in a way that it'd leave it in ruin. He was smarter than that.
@@emirhaneksioglu4503 I am unsure what you are claiming because I mentioned that, "...where the Lion was amazing in one arena (war/fighting) he was woefully lacking in loads of other areas that are necessary for rule and empire building. _The Lion had no charisma,_ relatively no ability to bring a world into the Imperium unless it was with war, he had a great amount of pride as well, and socially was inept when compared with others like Horus, Guilliman, and Sanguinius." So we agree on that. And ya he never leveled civilizations to the ground because he was far to superb a commander to need to that, which my scorched earth mention referred more to going to war for every planet as opposed to just wiping out 90% of each planet.
Loved this meeting, the 1st legion was my fave from day 1, even before there was mention of the lion. The lion is my faveourite by far of the primarchs but I guess I am byassed being a dark angel tragic. His return would be huge and though I haven't collected or painted 40k figures for perhaps 20 years.... A new lion model may see me return 👍
I hope you've heard the good news, brother. Thou should check upcoming forgeworld models.
Lion return will be next great event that happend in 40k the Chaos gods will probably do something like another black crusade
The writing behind this work near brought me to tears it’s flawless
The unremembered empire is such a great book. Long live Emperor Sanguinious!
As a proud Smurf player, I am excited that the Lion is coming back!!!!!!
This is the First lore video across many channels, that made me order this book. Fucking well done sir. The insight you brought forth, man gotta read this now. Thanks!
He was now only a few paces away. The lion stopped short and removed his helm. He watches as his brother did the same, pulling the blue helmet of the ultramarines tight to his side. He bowed his head in acknowledgment as he closed the final few paces between them. There could be no doubt, this was his brother. The Lion could now see the heaviness in his face and eyes. Weariness? Perhaps. This new imperium they have both found themselves thrust into was indeed burdensome place. Or was it weariness of the lion himself. Why him. Why this brother and not another? Why the Lion, the one whom was banished for his secrets.
He shook the notion from his mind. They were nearly face to face now, and as ElJhonson prepared to speak, his words became stuck in his throat, he felt a pain in his chest.
The pain of regret. The pain of failure. The pain of bonds broken that had not yet been mended. The lion stopped short of his brother. He could see the sadness in Roboute's eyes, but also the fire that only the eyes of a primarch could hold. His mind was now racing, desperately searching for the right words to say, he had never been as good a statesman as his brother for whom these things seem to flow naturally. He feigned a cough as if clearing his throat, now barely holding his classic stoic and aloof gaze that had served him all his life.
And then it happend.
The great winged helm he held at his waist was now tumbling in slow motion Before him. His brother, without a word or sound, and without even the Lions exemplary reflexes allowed to react, embraced him with such force that this time it was the Lions helm that was dislodged from his grip.
He winced at first at the sounds of his helmet rolling and clanking off the ceremite floor, but the strength of the embrace he now found himself in said everything that was needed to be said between them. Relief washed over him, and the Lion replied with an embrace of his own. One befitting a Lion of the first. And as they each pulled back Guiliman smiled for the first time since their eyes met. He looked down at the Lions helmet and bent over to pick it up. As he rose to hand it back to his brother so spoke for the first time. "Your getting slow old man." Said Guilliman with a smirk. The lion roared in laughter, the memory of their last meeting brushing his mind. "Perhaps I am, " he let his response hang..." but I'm still faster than Angron."
Robute's face darkened if only for a moment at the mention of his traitorous brothers foul name. Then placing a hand on the Lions shoulder he said " Now that brother, is a story I must hear."
Will you do interactions between characters in the books? An example would be when that crippled blood angel walked with a custodian guard down to help protect the throne of terra and they passed normal civilians, the way they each treated them was huge. Please do videos on that!
Which book was that?
@@theunclethatdoesnttouchyou Master of Mankind
Thank you.
One shall not Doubt in the Lion. He's a Knight, He keeps his words, albeit he got Honor
I love getting incite on how tall or large the Primachs are. The Lion is a bit taller than Bobby. Hope we get more as the Heresy plays out.
Not a big fan of the ultra marine, but I do like Calgar and papa smurf. So much has been written about papa smurf, he is by far the most flash out primarch. In 30 and 40k I really enjoy his conversion with his trusted human advisor/friends.
I love Lion. He is so awesome. He’s so imperfectly perfect for 30k/40k. He and RG have such great chemistry together. Can’t wait for their reunion in 40k.
this is my favorite short about the lion. he's good and he knows it.
the lion was probably thinking that guilliman was building his own empire like malcador during the horus heresy.
Miguel Angel Pabon Tritton the lion thought that? Why is that ? Was Malcador actually doing that?
@@Aki777craft search up for imperium secundus on google, i'm not an expert on the lore so i can't answer that question correctly
The real Lion Week has arrived!
I think, in the current timeline, if The Lion returned and met Guiliman that Guiliman, even with his controlled emotions nature, would embrace Lion like the Lion embraced him in this novel. I imagine the reaction would the the same just reversed. Guiliman being more loving and Lion being caught off guard by Guiliman actually showing emotion. I would really love to read that meeting and by the look of things the Lion may be returning soon.
Well it was three year but he’s here
10.000 years, 10.003 years. Close enough I say.
Can't wait to get that book into my hands at last.
If thw writing is up to the standard of this model, we are in for a treat.
@@Gnarlf He's finally here!!!!
@@logandelaharpe6362 Took long enough but he's finally here!!!
@@TheShepherd2305 yeah, I've noticed
I love hearing a Primarch swearing and talking like this, it honestly makes them more human.
Honestly this universe and lore is as close to a masterpiece as it gets. I hope the quality increases. I've become nervous that the modern lore may get kinda rough.
as guilaman,in the rare times he can be home on macrage goes to a certain graveyard,alone he sees the graves,each one,dug for his adoptive family and the ultramarines he truely exalted. the avenging son would sit next to the grave of his adoptive parents, and chuckled
"mom,dad....if you were both here....youd be wanting me to relax as i cried myself to sleep every night,wouldnt you...funny... now that i think of it."
as the sword of unity placed a caring hand upon it,hed get up and mourn,only to see in the distance,the feathers of a hawk,and a raven. on the ground. the feathers of both birds in the area gave guilaman flashbacks,to that of corvus and sanguinius,brothers he, albeit not got along with usualy, were his dauntless few, his trusted and those he worked well with.
"this must be what it is like for you,isnt it....being broken,nearly alone.... unable to save anyone. and that's what you both felt. pain,sorrow,lonelyness."
drawing his gladius incandel,with one motion,the feathers would be sent on there way via the wind
"sanguinius,corvus... whereever you may be are my brothers....i only hope it is a place better then here."
in the warp, the sanguinor looked out to the chaos drenched hellscape,and to the star child. the sanguinor spoke.
"tell me, father. do you know if we may ever retake the galaxy and save it again?"
the star child shook his head
"i know not. but i have faith in guilaman. i only hope his will can survive long enough to see his brothers again. the lion especially"
"would omegon even join guilaman?"
the star child shook his head again
"i know not. but its possible."
to be continued...
Man I loved The banter with Ultramarines and Wolves.
Over all of the subtleties, though, I can't help but think it's a measuring contest.
Lord of the first legion does have a nice ring to it
We are waiting for the Lion's return for that Tour and Inspection.
My lord! I have fallen in love with Dorne because of you, I salute thee
So I just finished listening to "our martyred lady" audio drama. The chaos presence is repeatedly referenced as 'the 8 turned god' hearing Guilliman called ' the 8th found Lord' freaked me out way more than it should have.
Sry,old comment but anyway, the 8 does not refer to Roboute but to Khorne,the sacred number of Khorne is 8
Wolf Lord Rho your title does you great justice.. I want to say thank you for bringing the Primarchs to life and making them relatable . I've found myself more interested in getting to know more about them . Can't wait for your next upload
My favorite video. The meeting of these two brothers, it's epic. Roboute humor adds a unique dimension to his character its fantastic. Great background music choice doesn't overshadow or drown the meeting, buts builds upon it. A sense of calm before the storm of horus siege.
Loyalty is it's own reward
You also have to respect the fact that Guilliman acknowledged that Fafnir likely would have actually taken his head with that strike. Given a prime opportunity a space marine actually can kill a primarch
After listening to this exchange between Guilliman and the Lion, it's clear that Luther is the villain, although it's his perceived slight by the Lion that set off the series of events that would doom Caliban. Chaos, of course, is always around to take advantage of any situation to gain a new plaything for their game.
Looks like this one's gonna have a part 2
What I find interesting is how so many doubted Gilliman, not just Jonson.
The way giliman tells fafnir he's a pain I get the feeling he means it with affection
23:57 That voice crack killed me
Ok so who is that lieutenant that talks to Guilliman like she was his girlfriend? It's really sweet.
Matihood1 it’s his adoptive mom. From the time he was been raised on Macragge. She was the right hand of Conar, his farther
Basically his mom
Please do more or gullimans mother she is by proxy the saviour of the imperium. For what is man without his mother?
What did Girlyman do? What was Lion pertaining to with what he said *Girlyman* did something worse
Two words. Imperium Secundus. Guilliman's 'back-up' Empire. He disbanded it when it turned out it was no longer necessary of course, but he IS an Empire builder.
I have listened to you wolf lord for some time but I do fine I re listen to this video a lot. I love how Guillemin is called jarl and how the Lion puts a wolf on his arse =D
i find the content on this channel interesting, i just hope its not hit with copyright for quoting some books
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one. Wolf Lord we will be watching your career with great interest.
The Lion is like any older brother. He keeps his eyes and heart open to his younger sibling. He loves his brother deeply but wouldn’t hesitate for a second to put him in his place. If you’re an older brother you understand why that is. And if you’ve ever watched a younger sibling fall to their own vice you know his pain as well. On both these levels I relate to the Lion. And it’s a strange feeling to hear the perspective of a younger siblings thoughts about his older brother. The subtle child like adoration and jealousy is sweet and yet so sad. You can feel love between them and yet this unspoken suspicion. The heresy already taking its toll on them both and you can already see where this will eventually lead in the far future when they reunite. Guillimans vulnerabilities marked by his humane side now amplified by the massive losses suffered by the imperium as well as his revelation of the emperor’s true feelings regarding his children have left him doubting all he’s ever believed. The lion, having been betrayed by his closest friends in his own legion is now colder and even more machine like in his demeanor. More pragmatic than warm. So divorced from his emotions that he would cut Guilliman down without so much as a tear in his eye if he suspected him of anything. The truth of the emperor broke Guillimans heart. The truth of the emperor was always known by El Johnson as he has always known his purpose.
It’s a beautiful moment to see here and it’s well read by you sir. It brought a tear to my eye as it made me remember my sibling and me as well. A time before all the pain when I could embrace them and they looked to me for guidance. The story itself is a fine work but the emotion and moment of remembrance was worth it’s weight in gold. Thank you for that.
I have no one to talk to about 40k and this channel helps that deficiency. My wife appreciates it lol. Thank you if you had a patron I would give at least something.
The humanization and humor present in the primarchs wasn't something I expected. I've only ever read a few 40k books and no 30k so I never really read anything with them in it. Guilliman being embarrassed by the wolves in front of his big brother and the giant crowd is pretty funny.
And the fact that Lion basically slapped Fafnir for his brother tells you a lot as well
I like how Lion just slapped Fafnir after that
This is more relevant now since both Lord Lionel and Lord Roubute are both back. I really want the baddest team up for the both brothers. They both deserve it.
This sounds like an awesome book. I love the balls on the space wolf swinging at Johnson. Can anyone recommend a good Dark Angels book or two?
Pandorax by C Z Dunn, Trials of Azrael, Unforgiven. 3 really good materials
@@plasmahdtv thank you I appreciate it. Time to hit up the first Legion
Keep up the great content... these are the best videos you've done (that I have seen) but I am hardcore biased for my old 40k army. Dark Angels have my favorite primarch and my favorite traitor (Cypher).
Wonderful storytelling, so glad someone playing Deathwing told me to seek your channel out.
That’s nice to hear!
As a younger brother i can understand the anxiety of B bob and feel unease at the sight of an elder sibling and how much respect lion gives to g bob
Love these primarch meetings , to a new guy like myself they give so much perspective on the characters.
the industrial speed of that duel caught me off guard
This hits different now
Lord Rho.
First off, let me say that Dan Abnett is one of my favored authors of 40K stories. Another is Sandy Mitchell, but for other reasons. Abnett's portrayal of Colonel-Commissar Ibram Gaunt is, in my opinion, only second to Sandy Mitchell's portrayal of Ciaphas Cain. Both are shown to be utterly loyal to the Imperium of Man, and yet so vastly different as to be leaders of totally different forces, and utterly different manners of leadership. Gaunt is seen as an utterly loyal man that will weather any trial and come out on top. Whereas Cain sees himself as a coward, and can never see that his 'self indulgent' nature is seen as Heroic by those around him. Both Gaunt and Cain display, in their own unique ways, their loyalty to the Emperor and the Imperium of Man.
I did take note that you properly pronounce Gulliman's name as Rho-Butte-E and not some odd pronunciations I have heard over the decades. I tend to agree that the meeting between the Lion and Robute to be significant and meaningful. And Abnett's portrayal goes far to show that both are, indeed, penultimates of Humanity's best aspects, while still maintaining that essential 'humanness' and character that makes us all Human. Both, as other authors and poets have said: An Angel with a Devil inside.
I feel that you should keep on making such videos about the Primarchs and others. I would love to see your 'take' upon both Ibram Gaunt, and Ciapas Cain. To me, Gaunt is a pleasure I can publicly take pride in reading of his exploits and those of his men. But Cain is almost a 'guilty' pleasure that I enjoy equally as much, or more.
Keep up the good work. I enjoyed this video a lot.
I love their relationship, it's lowkey wholesome