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It's Snake vs Snake, who will win?! I don't know, I'm not a mind reader.
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weird to know now that the final boss of this game is the main protagonist character you play in Phantom Pain
Yeah in retrospect it's pretty interesting.
I’ve always joked the three other parachute guys are Bill & Lance from Contra, and the guy from Rush’n Attack. They just ran off to their own missions/games.
The series has cyborg robot ninjas, vampires, and a dude who had his arm transferred onto another person posthumously that allows him to take over the person's brain, mind reading isn't that far-fetched.
Except that the arm part was Ocelot's plans all along you're right.
In the real world it is but mabye not video games
Don't forget the Sorrow
You two seriously spent 5 minutes talking about how mind reading isn’t real. It’s a video game bruh
Yeah, but the science is real and interesting!
@@cozyKyra yeah thats great just give us a link to wiki or wherever you researched it
@@mamityh Here's a reference for the visual reconstruction research (Nishimoto et al, 2011) : www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982211009377
Most of what I said though is just general knowledge/understanding you get from a neuro degree, and I just shared my own thoughts on the feasibility of mind reading based on that. So actually this is light on references. I still stand by my perspective though.
The mind reading rant could have been shortened to “Psycho Mantis is cheating by reading your memory card.”
2:25 I always assumed they were just immediately killed off by guards.
MSX born in Japan the 23 of June from 1983 :) . Metal Gear is for second generation for MSX, MSX2 .
Oh! Thanks for the clarification :)
Why is this 2015 video popping up only now on my recommendations? Well, better late than never!
I dunno but I'll take it! thank you RUclips algorithm gods
Screw Psycho Mantis?!? Screw *YOU*, sir! Best boss battle in the history of ever.
Kidding aside, it's Metal Gear we're talking about. I'm sure it's also not possible to be a vampire, control bees to do your evil bidding, love to be an 800 year old Sniper thay can extent his own eyeball and receive energy not by food by photosynthesis...etc. lol
It's MGS and Mantis is the mannis! He knew I played "Cool Boarders", ffs! Best ever.
+DannyWilliamH Those are all good points, though there's not much psychology for me to talk about behind bee-control ;)
the End was just a hundred ;) and PARASITES
+TheGreatExterminator
WOLBOCHIA! haha
Metal Gear was one of the top games of MSX2. I only could play it years later on an PC emulator.
+gast128 I wish I had access to the original growing up :(
Nowadays it makes sense for military game to have desert areas, but back then Vietnam was still fresh, so jungle makes more sense.
nice observation!
Thanks for the comparison. You gave good information and I had always wanted to see the differences. I appreciated the video.
Venom Snake was the final boss ;)
don't you mean punished snake
don't you mean Medic
The NES soundtrack is much better though, the overworld music is tolerable, the msx one is painful
I just watched 2 hours of the NES version and realized it wasn't the original....
about the theory regarding psycho mantis' mind reading, I have an idea about how it could ACTUALLY work. what if Psycho mantis' brain matter has the ability to change or shift, and his neural networks can adapt faster than most other's? if this were true, and if he somehow had a way to tap into the other person's mind, maybe he could actually mimic the structure of that person's brain, his neural networks would adapt, and he would be able to have thoughts similar to the enemy, giving him the ability to essentialy read their mind.
Brilliant! I like this angle.
LittleGadget now we gotta figure out how he moved the controller
These games have ESP and ghosts but mind reading that's where we draw the line
LOL, I like the comment that Mantis probably doesn't play a big role in the game when he does play a big role in The Phantom Pain. Yeah I know this is before the game came out. Just a fun observation.
Pity The Phantom Pain was such a let down.
+CF-105 Games Haha yeah, that's silly in retrospect. I dunno, I know the problems it had, but I still enjoyed my 100+ hours into it :)
Sam West Thank you! I certainly wouldn't mind more subscribers ;) I dunno why. I dunno how anything works. I'm just gonna keep on going along
I don't think psycho mantis read your mind. I think he's just knows that he's in a video game.
Oh, that's interesting. So rather than a "mind-reading" ability it's more like a "game-universe breaking" ability, so he can take advantage of the mechanics of the game to see what the different actors are processing, see controller input, have information unavailable to the others in the game... I like that. Works for Phantom Pain too, he just reads the actors processing and share some his game-breaking ability with them
+LittleGadget
This might be hard to believe, but fictional works such as video games can follow their own rules and completely ignore the logic of real life. =P
+Laurelindo absolutely, but isn't it fun to try to then understand their rules in our own universe? Or see what we can learn about our world from theirs?
The point of that few minutes was to just share some research I thought was cool and an idea I had. Talking about the game gave me an avenue to do that (.... kind of).
+LittleGadget
Sure, however sometimes some people take fantasy and fiction a bit too seriously, and try to explain it and debunk it with real-life science, which is quite pointless.
That's like trying to convince people that cats shouldn't be able to jump several times the size of their own body length just because humans cannot do that - those are two completely different types of scenarios.
I once saw someone on the Internet criticise the eyesight of the Elves in Tolkien's "Lord Of The Rings" books, because apparently he insisted that the Elves "should have had much larger pupils" to be able to see details from several miles away.
Well yes, _in real life_ their pupils would have needed to be much larger --- correct --- but this is Tolkien's world, where the laws of physics and biology are vastly different and follow completely different rules.
And the beauty of fantasy is that it does _not_ work like real life, instead it presents worlds that we could only dream about, which can be a very fascinating and enriching experience in itself.
I like the features of the NES version (walking under cameras, bullets going across the entire screen) and the maps of the MSX2 version.
even for 2015 your narrative is still uninteresting
yes thank you
everyone's saying the MSX version is too hard to find? well, I got Metal Gear Solid 3 Subsistence off of Amazon and it might have been the last available copy.... MY BAD... oh, and for the record... the MSX version is way better than the NES piece of crap
sorry to say but mind reading (intuition/empathy) has been around forever, so technically we mind read without even realizing were doing it, now take that concept and add an ability to decipher different levels of chemicals like serotonin and dopamine though empathy/intuition, and bam you have a person who can literally read the chemicals from your brain, or read your mind, SORRY but not even mentioning the different chemicals in ones brain while talking about mind reading gets my thumbs down, for the record i went to university for psychology so if you want to update this video i can help, at the moment you should stick to the game world and forget real science
+ThaDuDeMaN good point! I actually touched upon this in my Dark Souls and Undertale videos, minus the chemicals part. That's an interesting idea, but I'm skeptical about how much more information you can really get from a live feed of chemical levels that you couldn't just infer on your own through intuition and empathy, reading body language and facial expressions. Especially since there's evidence empathy involves an almost simulation of someone else's brain state.
Besides, the information about someone's brain state and what you can get from watching chemical levels, which will be mostly mood and probably processing and energy consumption so you can see where people are devoting resources in their brain like an fMRI, it isn't really what people are talking about when they say mind reading. They want extraction of thoughts and ideas and memories. Which is going to be a much more complex problem of getting at the networks that encode these. Which we still don't even understand well.
Also thanks for the offer but it's ok, I did neuro in university too :)
Ironically, his rant about how impossible mind-reading is just made it sound a whole lot more plausible than I thought it was.
+Lugbzurg Hey man, thats just as cool as long as you learned some new things from it :)
WRONG ABOUT MANTIS, HE DOESN'T READ YOUR MIND, HIS POWER IS TO READ YOUR MEMORY CARD
+Cookiedude 1128 BUT THEN WOULDN'T HE BE COMPLETELY POWERLESS HIS ENTIRE LIFE UNTIL HE GETS TO A SITUATION THAT'S PART OF A VIDEO GAME?
LittleGadget ...... OH
1:25 so even back then Kojima was being fucked over by "Kunt-nami"
Basically yup.
Hi,
Some remarks:
- I do count Europe as "The West"... MSX was very popular in the Netherlands (about half a million systems sold) and several other parts of Europe also got some sales (mostly Spain and a bit of France and Belgium).
- MSX came out in 1983, not in 1982.
- Metal Gear was for MSX2, which came out in 1985.
- You show a relatively obscure Talent TPC-310 at 1:18... OK... but why? :) That machine was only released in Argentina.
- You show a Sony HB-10P at 1:46, which is an MSX and not an MSX2 and thus won't be able to run Metal Gear at all.
That said, looking forward to your review on Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake (also for MSX2).
+Manuel Bilderbeek You're totally right, I both didn't get my facts totally right and used poor images to show off the computers :/ I believe the MSX was being shown off at conventions in 1982, and released in 1983, so I must have mixed up the dates.
Thank you though! I might spend a quick moment in the next Metal Gear video to fix that info. Might not come for a while.... but it'll definitely happen!
+Juuso Lökfors No armchairs here sir. I'm a research student myself, and I just wanted to share concepts I've found fascinating :) But looking back, this could have been better.
+david haha thanks man you too
This is a fun and informative video. You deserve more views!
+Erik Ruiz Thank you! :) I appreciate that. Working on more videos, so maybe soon!
my dudes having psycho mantis be a mind reader was supposed to make players feel more immersed in the game while also breaking the fourth wall. the science that may or may not be behind it isn't considered because it's not important. (that being said it was pretty interesting hearing how mind reading is so unlikely)
+Cordy Biceps Mind reading is nothing anymore, now we have the mistery behind the "jumper" effect in Quiet (MGSV) and why she is almost naked all the time and why she is showing us her ass at close range in almost every single scene.
If this is possible, then mind reading is possible too! according to Konami's logic department..
***** shhhh i haven't even started on mgs2 im goddamn decades behind on this shit
+Cordy Biceps Well I'm glad you found that interesting! Yeah I know the science isn't important to the game, I just talked about it because I find it so cool :P
This guy hasn't played much Metal Gear if Physco Mantis is the most improbable thing to talk about...
+Dark Vader Oh no it's cool, skin parasites make a lot of sense for stuff :| make people invisible and form body armor, what's wrong with that?
Totally reasonable..
hey, that is a argentine MSX2 made by talent
good work, keep it up
I pick the original version
Just stop seen the video when he says "the transformation of Big Boss into a villian".
Except he is, fanboy.
@@GianV.Valois You really don't know about metal gear, you haven't understand the history, it's not a question of been a fanboy, just necessary to have a right interpretation.
@@marcoantonioloureiro5883 BB's apologists are pretty funny. If a warmongering psycho and hypocrite like big boss stealing one if his own soldier's identity, using nukes as deterrent, and striving to put in practice his psychotic ideology of never ending war conflict with ''Outer Heaven''' at it's core not evil and similar to the patriots schemes for global control of information that we see in MGS2 and 4, then what is it? But I'm sure you know better because you can make your own ''interpretation'' and claim it's the valid one, just like skull face, zero and Big Boss claim they do in regards to The Boss's will.
@@GianV.Valois I haven't time to discuss, ruclips.net/video/9vqCckikMLA/видео.html put a subtitle and you will understand.
@@marcoantonioloureiro5883 Saw it ages ago, one of the worst pieces of fanboysm about the charcter on in the internet. Having a villany score when discussing such a complex character in a Metal Gear game out all, should make you laugh. But since you recommended this, I'll recommend something else, and much better written ruclips.net/video/EA4uan90HeA/видео.html
U re pretty cool guys,and u dont need to read my mind to know this!
You're a cool dude yourself ;)
I think i'll love the MSX
I think so too :) you can get the MGS HD collection pretty cheap, it'll be in there
LittleGadget
It isnt on PC :cries:
You missed several differences and the mind reading tangent was an annoyance.
Sorry to annoy you lol
Thanks for spoilers very much
+Eri 412 np, spoiling 30 year old games with simple plots is my passion
Cute vid guys! I hope to see more of these "vs" videos in the future! Subbed
+NESSNESMASTER Haha thank you! Not all videos we have planned will be "vs"'s, but I do have a few ideas for some more that we'll definitely pursue :)
Came from reddit. Great job man!
Whitelight Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it :)
I played the NES version a bit when I was a teenager in the late 80's. Always concidered it to be memorable and a classic.
From gog I downloaded the MSX2 version for really cheap on sale. I thought it is the better version except you can't do everything through just the controller. Some keyboard controls are required.
I really like the gameplay, mechanics, and visuals better than the NES version.
Konami was good at making games different on different platforms or choosing to make entirely different games for each platform of the same franchise. Konami had an awesome reputation back in the day. If a game was made Konami you knew you were going to be happy with it. I never regretted game purchases or rentals from Konami.
They even blew Capcom out of the water!
I agree. Konami was the most talented Japanese company in the 90's era. They made nothing but quality games. U knew u were getting a great game when u saw the Konami logo. As a matter of fact, I don't think Konami ever made a bad game. I use to love them so much. They were actually my favorite video game company ever. Can't say I still feel the same way about them now because they barely make games anymore if ever.i goes I still love them regardless. They did become wasted talent after a while. They made some of my favorite franchise ever. Castlevania Is my favorite next to zelda.
Meh, I still like the mind reading thing. I honestly I don't care if it is not possible now. One phrase that was phrased by someone in the past was that "nothing is impossible, we just have to figure it out how to make it work".
In this case, and problably in most of scyfi works, mind reading (if it become possible in the future) may not be like it is interpreted in the game.
And also so far I know, mind reading is a thing now, so far I know there is a guy who was able to play a tomb raider game with his mind.
Hm, I suppose it depends what you consider mind reading. You can use consumer-grade EEG devices to get real time brain readings and fashion brain-computer interfaces with them. I'm assuming this is what the Tomb Raider player was doing, I haven't seen that but it sounds cool! That Star-Wars Force Trainer toy is also essentially this just very cheaply. But the limitations of EEG, especially consumer-grade ones, is that it's really coarse signal and only from surface structure. So for instance you can read from your motor cortex really easily, all of that is on the surface. And you can mentalize motor movements without physically moving and see activation with EEG, which makes it the most intuitive way to train yourself and a computer to recognize certain patterns. So you can tie left-body motions to one action and right-body motions to another. Maybe you can even distinguish between upper body and lower body motions. But the difference between your index and ring finger are mapped too close together in your brain so you wont be able to distinguish that. That's about the extent you can reach with this technology. You can maybe push it a bit further with some band-pass filtering, for instance certain frequencies in certain areas might be correlated with certain functions or things, and thats cool.
But I don't think that's really what are aiming for when they consider mind reading. We want to be able to discern actual complex thought, to read and detect intentions and whatnot, but we really aren't at that stage of even understanding how that instantiates in the brain let alone reading it in real time. And this isn't capable with the methods i described above. EEG is just too crude. It's really just bypassing your body. It might be nice if it freed up your hands to do other things, but that actually wouldn't work. Any physical movement you make completely drowns out the signal EEG's are reading since it's just so much stronger, so you would only be able to use your brain-computer interface completely still.
That being said, this kind of bypassing is exactly what you want to do for developing controllable prosthetic. Not with EEG, again too crude, but by tapping in earlier in the nervous system directly with electrodes. Maybe implanting directly in the brain.
The mind reading tangent was unnecessary and massively unfunny. Also, the male needs to learn to enunciate better; at times he sounded as if there were marbles in his mouth. That isn't good for voice overs.
+Turkeyman07 the male thought everybody keeps marbles in their mouth
Yeah, and he also made a mistake when he said that 100 billion neurons is "one thousand million neurons" he was way off. 100 billion is one hundred thousand million. Details like that make me give videos thumbs down.
sorry i forgot a word
Sooooo... you're ok with human cloning. but mind reading is too much for you? wow.
Cloning is at least theoretically possible.
@@charlesajones77 It's not remotely realistically theoretically possible to have successful human cloning in 1972 because it predates too many scientific advancements. It's like saying that because humans landed on the moon in 1969, it would be theoretically possible to have complex space travel to the standard of Star Trek in the 1920s; i.e., it's absolute fantasy.
@@Heir-to-the-BelmontClan I assumed we were talking about modern day.
I admire the MSX-2 version, but I like playing the NES version better simply because I can actually complete it, and quickly. Its exploits make it a cinch to complete in under an hour.
The MSX-2 version is more technically polished for sure, but it's also a lot more inconvenient to the player, and intentionally so.
The final boss is a prime example: You need 16 explosives to destroy Metal Gear, and in a specific order that you're only told in game once (better have written it down). You can't hold more than 15 explosives if you're not a four star rank. It is incredibly easy to shoot the hostages Coward Duck's boss battle. You go down a rank if you shoot a hostage. If you saved most of the prisoners already, you're screwed.
In the NES version, there's no set order to blow up Metal Gear feet, Coward Duck's boss battle layout is such that it's much easier to shoot Coward Duck without a hostage in your crossfire, and you can glitch out of the Supercomputer room to the final boss. Poor programming saves the day.
why did you waste like two minutes talking about mind reading for some stupid obnoxious joke that had nothing to do with the video?
that definitely earned my dislike
I don't know man it's an old video. Thanks for the dislike.
not an excuse for it to be shitty
That sounds like a matter of opinion.
I new about the msx version before nes port
been saying it for years, we need a retelling of the true and only snake; Solid Snake. We need the stories or OuterHeaven and Zanzibarland in next gen games.
Very good video, im subbing. The only problem is the when you explain mind reading in this video, like, you watch a Metal Gear video, and, instantly, you talk about mind reading, it's confusing, and could've been in an other viddo then that one, still a cool video.
+HoundBlue Thanks man! And I definitely get what you mean. We were experimenting with some ideas, but I agree. It didn't come out the way we were hoping. It was a good lesson though, and I can definitely make concepts fit better in future videos, so you don't get that "you could have removed this and the video would have been fine/better" feeling.
I'll hopefully have some kind of update video up soon touching on this & future plans for videos, just been busy with uni :/
LittleGadget
Nice! Good luck for the next videos!
For fucks sake the whole "mind reading" jokes got old really fast. It's metal gear. If you think THAT is more unbelievable than, oh I don't know, giant whales, man with 1 million volts going through his body that can shoot electricity, a guy that an control bees and shoot them out of his mouth, a ghost medium, and a mind reader. You chose the MIND READER, THE FUCKING MIND READER to be the one you get all pissy about.
+Polygamy Poppa lol yup.
+Polygamy Poppa
Well, mind-reading is ALMOST real, if you are extremely good at reading body language.
Heck, police officers are very skilled at this, and can tell very easily when their suspects are lying.
relevant: ruclips.net/video/aIFM1PGCrDU/видео.html
whats with the mind reading part? I want to hear about a game not you trying to sound smart..
+GreenGuyGAMES Yeah, that's the result of poor execution :P Our goal is to make content about video games and science, but it def didnt need it here. future stuff will definitely not feel like I'm just shoehorning ideas together
+LittleGadget it's ok. I'm just jealous
parachuting out of a helicopter huh?
lol
I loved the nes version ofc, but it seems like i should have played the msx one instead. I don't know, it feels better to me.
as a kid i used to believe that this game was a "TERMINATOR game" just because my dad told me that and i was too small to read in a foreing language, i was just learning to read in my mother language...XD well now i can understand why my dad told me that...after all i was not playing as Kyle Reese (still amazed that no one has sued kojima for all this)
the guy on the cover is actually a plagiarized image of Kyle Reese form Terminator 1
It's not even from the movie, it was a promotional shot that only appeared in magazines and stuff. So weird,
Arguing that mind reading isnt possible in a series that has vampires, giant incredibly advanced mechs, and people with super powers makes no sense
I'll take mind-reading and other psychic powers over dumbass "nanomachines" and "parasites" any day. After mantis and the cyborg ninja they wanted EVERY boss to be a mantis or a ninja and cooked up those two stupid plot devices to turn the series into the X-men. They're dumb plot devices that should have never entered into the series.
+Hobo Joe I never understood why they felt they needed to 'demystify' things with those plot devices. Like sure use it once, we can appreciate nano machines are cool. When the whole game is built around nano machines.. Gets pretty boring.
The video was good up until the mind reading rant. Why the fuck?
+Dalton Forrest Gaming I'm glad you liked up to then at least, and I did it because I thought it'd be fun!
I didn't expect people's opinion on that to be so polarizing... that being said, it might be time I annotate a "skip" button :P
+LittleGadget It was just so out of place. It was really forced. It didn't fit with the rest of the video at all. Also, you act as if mind reading is the only thing in Metal Gear that doesn't make sense in the real world. Again, the video is good, you just should have made a seperate video ranting about Psycho Mantis rather than putting it in this imo.
+LittleGadget
I think that one reason why people are annoyed by the mind reading rant is because it makes you sound like you have to apply real-life science to everything around you.
Sometimes it is actually important to allow oneself to detach from reality and just imagine supernatural and unreal stuff for a while.
For example, do you constantly question everything that happens in books like Lord Of The Rings?
Hopefully not, because they are not supposed to make sense from an everyday perspective, they are experiences of other worlds with other natural laws.
We would go crazy if we never ever escaped from reality.
That's why we always daydream, because this is out brain's natural way to "relax".
Laurelindo Hmmm... is daydreaming relaxing..? I know it's supposed to fall back onto the default mode network, which is assumedly the "at rest" brain state. And so does mind wandering. But I would also think daydreaming can get pretty resource heavy if you get into it. Are daydreaming and mind wandering even defined as different things in research..? Thanks for this topic idea.
I totally get what you're saying though, and I agree on that level. If you just go around taking fiction and trying to fit it into the real world for the sake of it, that's boring and not actually useful for anybody. And also why.
But I think if you can take something and apply concepts in science or logic to it in a way that either generates new information/ideas, or is able to teach those concepts to other people, then that kind of application is worth doing. The act of going through and applying the concepts can be fun and creative in its own right. At that point its not that "everything needs to be explained!", but rather you can create something new or useful. Say hypothetically I wanted to talk about insanity, I could use Gollum as an illustration. You would both teach people about some research behind the concept, and maybe give some new perspective on the character. I think things like that can be enjoyable (i'm not doing that example though lol).
I don't think i did any of that in this video though. Not by a longshot. My dreaming video is much closer to what I wanted it to be, but this video was a failure
LittleGadget
I don't see this video as a "failure" at all, it was fun to watch. =)
Probably been said already, but that's an "Aliens" cover, not a "Terminator" cover.
+Slurpee the Great What do you mean? Is that not Kyle Reese?
+LittleGadget Well, it's Michael Biehn, but as Dwayne Hicks from Aliens, not as Kyle Reese from Terminator.
Great video!
All these years, I thought I knew what a helicopter was.
then compare mg2 between the msx version and the nes version. now THAT is fucking depressing.
+random dude I've been trying to figure out how to do that because like... They're completely different haha
you can run the emulator of both back n back, the gameplay style is literally night and day as well as the soundtrack
once you do it, you'll agree the people that bought the nes version got ripped off 😄
One thing that is definitely much better in the original MSX version is the menu controls.
In the NES version this is a complete mess, and basically a guessing game between the Select, B and A buttons until you get used to it.
Compare that to the MSX controls, where each submenu has its own F-key - for example, the weapon menu is both opened and closed with the F2 key, and the item menu is opened and closed with the F3 key.
That's MUCH better.
Granted, I am aware that the NES controller was a lot more limited, but this doesn't change the fact that the MSX controls are much more userfriendly.
+Laurelindo I didn't talk about the controls did I? Jeez, that was a mistake
Really nice video
This game is the only reason why MSX is popular still this days...its sad...
+MetalSonicodraco7342 Yeah seriously. It's unfortunate MSX didn't have a NA chance or people would probably remember and have good memories of it.
+LittleGadget Japanese and European people overall remembered it more, me too dude, even having the chance of emulation I wanna to buy one (I have 16)
Indeed, don't forget about the fanbase in Europe, Asia, Russia and the Arabic world. It's true that Metal Gear re-sparked a lot of interest in MSX, especially in the States, but the platform is still widely recognized as having a huge game library with a lot of (hidden) gems.
Yeah I don't think they had a presence at all in Canada, just PETs and Commodores for us
Man thats good to hear. If I ever have enough money to start hobby collecting, I'll definitely be hunting for an msx :)
I disagree with you on the subject of mind control and here is why-
We know that certain areas of the brain control different aspects (motor, auditory, ect...). We know that certain drugs can restrict or shut down parts of the body as well. Why couldn't it be as simple as stopping all movement by flooding the area of the brain with an overload of signals? If an opiate can stop a person from breathing by essentially slowing the brain down so much tgat it forgets to breath then why not? Forget targeting the small things like finger or thought....think legs and stop moving or flailing uncontrollably. Even better block the MU and flood their pain receptors to urge compliance. You have to think arpund the problem not through it.
That's actually an interesting perspective, and in that regard yes mind control is easy. You can shut down a body or even targeted body parts pretty easy through anesthetics or other substances. You don't even to bother with the brain, you can anesthetize your legs and stop them from moving. The way typically anesthetics work is by binding to receptors between neurons and blocking the signal, so even if your brain sends the signal "move leg" it doesn't go past that point.
You can even go a step further. ultimately all that matters for moving your arms or legs is that signal from your brain telling your muscles to contract, but that's pretty easy to hijack. Just attach an electrode an apply electricity. with different frequencies you can either induce or prevent movement, and there is no time delay like with drugs which is the main issue with going that route (heres a fun video that shows this in action ruclips.net/video/5QYpD428hAQ/видео.html). Your main difficulty then is refining this system to get fine motor control out of it, even the bundles of nerves going from your spine to the muscles in your legs are pretty dense, there's a lot, and with electrodes like this you're stimulating a huge amount. Some other food for thought, this is related (and maybe opposite?) to the work and research being done with prosthetic nowadays, where instead of hijacking the existing nerves in your leg to control the rest of your leg, you want to hijack those nerves to control a prosthetic leg.
The main thing I find interesting about your response and where I disagree is you calling thoughts and fingers the small things. I think those are the biggest things (By fingers I think of being able to control a body for fine motor control like playing the flute, which like I said becomes a much more difficult problem to solve with this motor control hijacking approach). Understanding and interpreting what's going on in the brain is a hugely complicated task and thats where i'm saying I don't think its possible with our current technology.
That being said, we actually can do some level of mind "control" at the level of the brain if you don't care about finesse and just want very broad and rough effects. Like you mentioned we know where in the brain motor control starts. We actually have it mapped out really nicely. If I can stick an electrode in your brain in the specific spot for your leg and apply voltage i can get it to move. There's still a lot out of your control further upstream, and that electrode is still stimulating millions of neurons even in the tiny area, but you can do it. If you want noninvasive, one cool technique is TMS, basically get a big electromagnet and put it near your head, run power. That electromagnet induces voltage in the region of the brain you put it over. Again really really broad activation (or inhibition depending on how you use it), but you can immobilize someone that way non invasively and with little to no lasting damage.
@@cozyKyra
That my friend was a fantastic response! Rarely do I find another person on RUclips with beyond exceptional intelligence. I want you to know that I am enjoying this conversation immensely.
Yes, I should be more selective when I talk about motor function. Something as fine as playing a musical instrument hits just about everything one could imagine. From the sight of the instrament, the sound that hits the ear, memory or familiarity...it's staggering when you consider it.
I agree completely, I don't think we will be seeing mind control so finely tuned that we could say give another person the ability to play the flute. Actually, I don't think it would be possible to control another's mind giving them the ability to play the flute if they don't have the brain mass to do it. Even with the technology at hand, I think at best it would be a hit or miss.
On a lighter note...
I know this might sound flippant or me being sarcastic but...it would literally be 404 Error- file not found. Learning to play a musical instrument with any proficiency takes years of hard work and dedication. One cannot simply sit down at the nearest piano and declare themselves the next Frédéric Chopin.
At any rate, again enjoying myself.
@@cozyKyra
Oh and subscribed!
Hear "Nuclear", think of ponies.
Suggestion: You could do a comparison between Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake for MSX and Metal Gear Solid for the PS1. Both are great games and, while the graphics are completely different (first is 2D, latter 3D), they share many similarities. BTW thank you for the great review! (MSX makes NES look like crap).
+CP200S You know I've been trying to think of how I could follow this up and talk about Metal Gear 2, but that is a really good idea! I'm totally going to do that, thank you!
And I'm glad you enjoyed it :)
well I think that intended versions Concor butt the wars and I hate that the NSX is that it's kind of hard for me
Ilove metal gear saga
you know, i bought the metal gear solid essential collection and just finished MGS and the entire time i felt like i was missing a lot of crucial information that before i saw this i thought might just be plot holes or translation issues but now i know there were games that came out before that?????? where the fuck would i even get a msx???? did anyone in 1990 even know MGS had predecessors??? like i grew up in the 90s and ive never even heard of a msx until now
+President Obama Yeah right?? I didn't know. Even if you played the NES port, you'd still be missing the SECOND Metal Gear MSX game, Metal Gear 2 Solid Snake, which is arguably even more story-important.
That's where everything happens. The fight with Grey Fox, the thing about Big Boss's body. Campbell and McDonnell Miller are introduced... In fact I'd argue that Metal Gear Solid is an almost spiritual retelling of Metal Gear 2, as it uses a lot of the gameplay and plot elements.
How great is that. The game that Metal Gear Solid was based on, that set up all the plot, was never brought to North America. And the NES equivalent of it, Snakes Revenge, is an entirely non-cannon game and has nothing to do with the series. Cool right?
i mean like i guess its not really that big of a deal since i dont think a lot of people knew about the games that came before MGS and everyone (myself included) still really enjoyed the game despite being sort of confused the whole time.
itd be really cool to get a remastered verson of the MSX games or even a downloadable version for console or pc, but that prob wont happen since konami is the antichrist and kojima peaced the fuck out of that biz
+President Obama if you buy mgs3 subsistence for ps2, that game came bundled with mg1 and mg2. They're the msx versions and they're in english.
DarkHorizons thanks man ill keep that in mind
You're pretty good.
/Gesture.
Mantises psychic power had nothing to do with his brain
But it does with the other person's brain.
You dont fight the hind d in the nes version?
Nicely done.
TheRavenquick Thank you!
You're welcome
The very same 'big boss'
This channel should have hundreds of thousands if not millions of subscribers for videos of such quality.
"mind reading isn't possible" its a fictional video game its not supposed to be possible lol
i like how they dedicated a section of this video about mind reading! had me laughing.
+John Zavala Thanks man! I'm glad you enjoyed it :)
LittleGadget Really didn't know that the nes was ported. i never really liked it. til psx Gear.
Awesome!
+rickonami Thanks man!
lol what you got against psycho mantis?
how do you only have 181 subs? really?!
+RSKullcrusha Hah, thanks man. I feel like even that's too many with how little I've done so far, but we'll see if I can get that number to grow with what I've planned.
+LittleGadget I love it, Subbed, keep it up!! Check out my show on my channel -"The Riffstarz"- its a low quality production where we roast old games.
Haha that's awesome, subbed! :P
+LittleGadget bro. thank you!
*****
Thank you! Will do! sub if you want to support! ;)
msx is the original. period
+Raed Rahman Absolutely. Hideo Kojima has apparently gone on record of saying the NES port is basically an awful, intuitive and unplayable mess...definitely doesn't like it. I wouldn't go that far, but it's definitely inferior, MSX is actually fun.
+LittleGadget
My biggest problem with the NES version was the awkward controls - I don't remember how the hell they worked, but it was like "Select to open the menu, B to close it, A and Select to open and close the submenus" or something - it was some random stupid mess like that.
The MSX version is much more intuitive, it has one of the F-keys for each respective menu, and those keys both open AND close their respective menus, and any item that you had selected in that menu at that point will now be your new item.
+Laurelindo Wow did I actually not talk about that in the video?? You're right, NES version is horrid to control and navigate the menu's. So bloody frustrating.
You guys could have made a whole different video to debunk mind reading instead of having it as obviously scripted humor that probably didn't make people laugh.
8:08 Why would you pitch in to help debunk the theory, weren't you the one that believed Psycho Mantis could mind read?!?!?!?!
+West Young (Rithm) You're right, this came out a bit unfocused. We were thinking that too when we got to the end of production, but by then it was too late to change things. But hey, I definitely learned a lot from making it, so future things are going to be much more focused and know what they want to be.
Thanks for your feedback!
Armchair physician in a video game review, great
MSX FTW
lol. It’s a game bro.. 🙂. It’s funny how annoyed you are with psycho mantis. But the neurology was interesting
awesome video subbed :)
+Retrocidal Thanks man!
Wow wish I had a msx as a kid
I know me too
we werent born
Ak47 Doesn't mean you couldn't have old consoles/computers. We had a C64 ;)
Yeah, i don't understand why it wasn't released in North America? I mean it was made by Microsoft of Japan, but seriously Microsoft of America could of released it!
This is a MSX2 title, so back in the day you would be dissapointed. The MSX had better scrolling and more videoram (and I believe more ram, at least mine has it).
He doesn't read your mind, it's a trick. Their file on you includes what games are saved on your memory card. Psyco Mantis just recalls that info from your file, as a trick, to catch you off guard and make you think he can read your mind. ("You've been playing a lot a Caslevania.")
+Dylan Jackson i-i know, but in the context of the game and story he is a psychic mind reader
Do you think you're a fucking genius by explaining this? Literally everyone who's played the game and is older than 8 knows this.
The MSX may be an overall better game, but the NES version music is the winner by miles.
Forget Psycho Mantis' mind-reading powers - how does he levitate?
:O
They didn't made the mobile version of the msx they only made the nes version only
metal slug+super contra= metal gear.................
Fair, though I think technically metal gear predates both those things :P
Without even watching your video, I just wanna say that MG on the NES fucking sucks. Now I can watch your video, lol.
EDIT: Just watched this video and goddamn, this was really good, I think I might even subscribe. This was very awesome.
***** Woah thanks man, that means a lot! :D
You've just spoiled the game to me. Thanks!
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Even do...
MSX's version looks quite promising. I'll give it a try!
+Marcos Yorston I mean, that was the premise of the video... but sorry.
+LittleGadget Nevemind! The video was awesome and encouraged me to play this game
Thanks for the great job! 😎
good vedio,orginal version is only on MSX.konami just looking for money make nes version it is sad for most of western player playing fake version game .but any way thanks for put the both msx game on mgs3 and nes version became dark history never be able to accept in metal gear solid game series
+李伟诚 Yeah, I guess even from the beginning Konami wasn't interested in the artistic contributions of teams or even a person (like how they kept changing developers for Silent Hill after Team Silent left), they just had enough good people making great games that it didn't show to the public. But now everybody that made Konami great has left...
+李伟诚 I did play thankfully the MSX version altho it was a copied translated version and also had Metal Gear 2 but then in Japanese.
+Peter Keijzer (Hardcore4Life) original MG2's MSX ver only release in japan
But i had a pirated version and i could finish it thanks to a walkthrough in a Dutch MSX magazine (MCCM)
+Senya “Y2135” Fetisov well if you have played both version you will find NES have a lot of bug and compare with MSX ver even some of the boss battle been cut in nes ver just like in MG2 in NES ver when you fight with metal gear ，they just lock in a room and you just need to launch the rocket in to the room but in MSX ver the metal gear will chasing you and you need to move around and fight .
nice video. thanks
+Prince Zuko no problemo
NES version was bad because it wasn't involved in Hideo Kojima
Metal gear survive is good example of it.
+S Y while I have no confidence Survive will be any good, to be fair we haven't played it yet :p
My biggest problem with the NES version is the dumbass menu controls.
I mean, sure, the MSX obviously has much more available buttons, so it was much easier for that console to make the menu buttons user-friendly, but I still feel that they could have handled the menus in the NES version a lot better.
For example, they could have simply put all the items and weapons on one single screen, then had the Select button for both opening and closing that menu screen, and you could choose items and weapons by moving the cursor to them and pressing A.
This would have made much more sense than the bullshit that they went with in the game.
Honestly I'm working on a video for the "sequels" and its the same god damn thing. They don't make any attempt to try to make the controls or anything about the games more user-friendly for the NES. It's like they made the games without thinking about how people would play it.
+LittleGadget
I personally consider the controls to be one of the most important parts for any game - poor controls can easily make a 10/10 game drop to 8/10, and possibly even less.
One example of a game that I felt had a lot of potential, but that also had very uncomfortable controls, is "Nosferatu" for the SNES;
that game was very similar to "Prince Of Persia", which is always a good thing, but the controls weren't nearly as polished.
It is hard to explain, but once you start playing that game you will know exactly what I mean.
It's kind of a shame, because apart from that, it seemed like it would be a very good game.
Just tried this out and I completely agree, controls are really off! Really stiff but slippery at the same time, I'm impressed they managed that. It could have been cool though, they were so close to a great game lol.
The Subtitles don't match the dialogue.
2:04
hindsight is 2020 huh?
whats your favorite metal gear game?
+dr penguin Currently MGS3, but I think Phantom Pain might overtake it soon, despite it's issues. I've definitely put more hours into it than any MGS game..
LittleGadget mine is mgs4 for the story
and probably mgsV for the game play
plus MGO 3
+dr penguin I got MGSV on the PC, so I can't play MGO3 for another few months :'(
LittleGadget well the pc version is still good
because mods and custom music
+dr penguin Oh yeah that's true, I haven't even tried out the mods yet!
Venom Snake is the Big Boss you kill in zanzibarland
Wrong.
Huh!? Venom Snake is the one you killed in the MSX MG, Big Boss in MG:SR.