Ecoflow is a trash company. I bought the delta pro with the Smart Generator. Had to replace Generator 5 times in 1 yr. And 3 times with the Delta Pro. They would not give me all my money back. Don't buy from ecoflow.
Have to agree. I tought they are premium, but my friend got many products from them, battery packs to air conditioner and many of them broke under a year. Price does not match to the quality at all in my opinion. They also have had weird hiccups related to software. No go for me.
AC does charge and discharge at the same time but you have to have it connected to a 120v plug 🙂 Need to use the Power IN/OUT to get the highest charging 7200w of pure energy. and AC output simultaneously 😀 Hope you review the SHP2!!
Looking at $6,500 for system and solar panels. My 48 volt EG4 all in one Will Prowse designed hand truck system from Signature Solar was $3,300 with free delivery. I am happy with my system and its price. Thanks Will. Happy happy at my off grid cabin.
0:00 Intro 2:01 240V AC Charging Test 3:16 Price Comparison 4:51 240V EV Charging Test 6:04 Ecoflow VS Jackery 7:14 Downsides of Ecoflow Ultra 9:34 App Connection Test 10:17 Final Thoughts
I got this thing for $2800 as a price mistake from Home Depot a few months ago. I like how I can power my 220v well pump in a power outtage and keep it topped off with a tiny efficient 120v generator.
I got mine on a crazy deal from Home Depot from their 4th of july savings. I paid $2,799 for 1 inverter + 1 battery. Needless to say that deal was up for about 30 minutes. 2 months later I bought a refurbished battery directly from Ecoflow's ebay store, and that was $1,799. I've been charging EV almost daily with this thing and it worked great so far. Retail price is pretty steep, but if you have patience and do your research, you can get this beast for a much better price than the Jackery. Thank you for your video!
@@WillProwse I had a deal alert set for the Delta pro ultra on slickdeals and once I saw the notification pop up I was in and out homedepot buying process in less than a minute haha There were about 200 units in that campaign, but I’m pretty sure it was a price mistake on behalf of home depot. I didn’t expect to actually ship, but it did. I did add a 30 amp disconnect to it sicne the pv switch seemed to break every time I turned it on and off.
The low voltage input in 1600w not 1200. I have the DPU with 5 batteries and 4000w solar and absolutely love it. Powers my house through a manual transfer switch I installed and the extra goes to my hummer. In CA electricity is really expensive and the monthly savings has been just about $200 a month. Been going strong everyday for the last 10 months.
I bought the DPU a year ago. I needed a transportable (I take it to a simple cabin for spring, summer and fall then home for winter), high pv input and the next reason for me was the batteries have internal heaters so they don't freeze during early spring and fall when temp can drop below freezing (I only heat my cabin when I am there). I have had several Ecoflow products and some have issues and some have run like champs. Just like any product you can get a lemon. For me Ecoflow has worked with me on getting a replacement or repair for any of my units. I don't like that their customer service does not seem to have a location in the USA so email is the better form of communication. Price is high but I have noticed they do some big sales so keep an eye out, just don't get confused with the word "sale" pay attention to price they always have a "sale" going on. I have seen authorized dealers with 1 inverter and 1 battery as low as $4049.
Same here; I bought the DPU back in June, has been running like a champ. Absolutely 0 issues. I had no issues with my Delta Max and Delta 2 as well. But totally agree their Customer Service is subpar....
I've been running the Delta 3 plus as a UPS for my computer/router and a few other electronics in my office for a few months and love it. I just started a project where I'm installing a Delta 3 pro in my shed with solar panels to make it completely off grid. Eventually I'll probably do the Ultra + smart home panel 2 for a whole home backup.
I've been waiting like forever for you to review this particular product!! Thanks 👍🏾 please do a load test on this and also do a load test on that Eg4 14.5kwh outdoor battery!!!😊😊😊
I considered a Delta Pro Ultra, but decided to go with a 6000XP and an EG4 indoor wall mount battery instead. Way more solar and battery capacity for less money. I have since added a second wall mount battery so I have more storage capacity. A lot of what I've learned about these have come from your videos! Thanks Will!
I am facing this choice next season for an off-grid facility in a remote location. One of the main reasons I am considering the DPU is that everything I have read indicates that it is extremely quiet during normal operations, which is a critical requirement for my users. I have been given the impression from various reviews that the 6000XP is quite noisy compared to the DPU's inverter, but I have never seen anybody do a comprehensive review of the actual, measured noise levels among these products, so I am not sure how to reach a conclusion. I think this is a real gap in the product review world, especially when it comes to off-grid and portable products.
@@josephkeene6670 When you have high amounts of solar or high kw draw (4000-6000kw), the 6000XP will spin up the fans. Ours is in the basement so upstair you can't hear it, but I wouldn't want to work in the same room. Low solar or low draw, it's very quiet. I've left the fans on auto, but you can manually set the fan speeds, although I don't think that's recomended.
Thank you Will, I have this configuration on my fifth wheel full time living. Love the ease of 30amp RV plug, if I change RV's, my Ultra goes with me. I have to say, yes expensive, so was my truck and my RV, nothing good is cheap. I feel their value is reflected in their price AND customer service are worth it! Keep up the most excellent reviews and teachings as I now am starting to talk like you too my friends lol.
Ecoflow actually has these Connectors that can secure your system if you have more than 2 batteries if your concerned about it falling, I wish the Voc was like 160 on the low end so I could put four 400w panels in series.
I upgraded from the Delta pro with extra battery and smart generator. I absolutely love this.. I have 4 batteries my solar array only generates 1100 watts in midday sun but with the adaptor connected to my 30amp generator I can charge at 6000 watts. The unit is completely silent unlike the delta pro which has noisy fans. I’m up north in an off grid cabin. It gets cold. Too cold for most systems but the lithium batteries have a conditioner switch that warms them. This is a sleek futuristic design and after experimenting with lead acid batteries that crack when run down and frozen and noisy inverters this seems the ultimate.
Just got some comments from people thinking that the inverter does not run when it's charging from solar. That's not true it's only from AC that it does that. Most solar generators are like that actually. Unfortunately
Are you sure that is true? I plug a small 2200 watt inverter generator into this battery and charge through the ac input while the battery powers my house. I think you just can't charge from the house while you power the house because it trips gfci?
The delta2 max isnt setup that way. I have my station pluged in but set to only draw from the grid if power falls below 40% I've been running the inverter and had that kick on when I havent had enough solar and it works just fine.
Fair review. I think that your final summary says it well: this is for those who have the money to afford it and want a quick and convenient solution. A server mount backup array with a generator managed using Home Assistant would cost far less in the long run but requires more work to setup and maintain, and it isn't a closed and curated ecosystem. It's like the choice between the Apple and Android ecosystems for smart phones, with Google being more like the Jackery, or the choice between Apple, Microsoft or Linux for PCs: do you want it to "just work" while being limited in certain respects at a higher cost and fewer options, do you want maximum flexibility and configurability with the responsibility to make it work yourself or something that is somewhere in between these? I can see the use for this as a option when mobile (assuming it's permanently installed in a van or the casters are replaced with a high quality base with heavy duty metal casters), but for me at this time I'll stick with the Jackery for mobile use and with a server rack battery bank and tri-fuel generator managed using Home Assistant for my home.
Will, if you leverage the DPU Generator Adapter that you connect to the Side Input/Output port, you can charge the DPU at up to 7200 watts, while keeping the AC Inverter on! I am configured this way at the moment and works very well!
I understand Will's points about price but it really is easy to set up. I would love to see Will get the smart panel. Right now Ecoflow has admitted it cannot charge via the smart panel at its maximum charge *7k+) through the grid but claims they are working on it. I ran into that issue myself. And Will is 1000% right about the rolling mount. I have 2 batteries and I doubt very much it could handle more than 3 and that's if its stationary. I'm using it for whole home backup but I do have a gas generator for longer outages.
This might impact the battery connectors and buttons, but a tow strap wrapped under the handles, across the top, and around the bottom between the castors might keep the stack together better even if stability remains poor.
I have a Ecoflow Delta Max. Had it for almost 2 years, the first one broke after 8 months. It took 3 months for Ecoflows service center to find the fault and the finaly to replace the unit. My replacement unit works fine, but I will nere buy anything form them again. Would rather build my own system with components from Victron.
The RV port is a GREAT feature. Not all that many solar generators come with it standard. Anchor comes to mind and there are a few others. Tons of full-time RVers out here ... not to mention weekend warriors that use their RV occasionally., Love this unit. You're right ... the price is very high. It's the Cadillac.
Good review Wiil, as always. Ecoflow have built up a good reputation, whether justified or not, but it's pretty bad that they attempt lock in their own products. There are plenty of $1000 16S 100Ah LFP racks that could just be added in parallel, and getting cheaper. They should be just like Lego! I made my own portable pack using a 3kW inverter and few 48V scooter packs or a Vatrer 100Ah battery and 2 x 2kW solar controllers for a fraction of the cost. It doesn't look as good, but it does the job and can charge my EV or run house essentials or work in the field, and I made it! 🙂
That new Tesla model 3 looks clean. The delta pro is probably easier to replace the batteries out if they go bad whereas the Jackery on board battery is built inside? Still not worth the additional $1500 bucks! I’ll stick with my regular pieced together home solar. It costed a fraction of that for much more capacity.
Will with All your knowledge on this subject I'm thinking, you should sit down and help design the Ultimate battery setup with everything one would need for off grid applications
Costco has this with 3 batteries for 9k, 10k with the smart panel which seems like a good deal (vs their normal prices at least), believe its going to have a 1k off sale here soon as well. Honestly a pretty good deal, especially with the sale.
Do you think getting one of those wooden dollies to put the Ecoflow ultra on would be better than what they provide? They are supposed to be rated at 1000 pounds and you can get decent priced ones at Harbor Freight. I use a few of them for things like smaller power stations and 12 volt fridges to make it easy to move them around. I do like those wheels you showed in the video.
Good video, Will. It would be nice if those stackable batteries had foldup lugs on the top that disconnect when folded down and matching sockets on the bottom of the batteries and bottom of the head unit. That would allow them to plug in when stacked without needing a cable on the outside at all. It may also help with the stabilization of a stack set.
I bought one of these with 3 batteries and 2 inverters and the Smart Home Panel 2 because I was extremely intimidated at the thought of building my own system with ZERO experience. Had an electrician mount the Smart Panel and I have done everything else including doing a ground mount with 12 solar panels, which I plan to expand to 24 panels shortly. This thing is almost plug and play, anything else you buy is very complicated to a newbie. Also, you can buy all this stuff for much less. I paid $5700 for the Smart Home panel 2 with one inverter and battery on a sale on Amazon and then paid $6500 from Earthtech products for another inverter with 2 batteries on a sale they had. You can easily get at least 10% off the retail price if you look just a bit which makes the price a lot more competitive.
I have a DPU with three batteries and love it. Plug and play with a ton of battery storage. Yeah it’s a little pricey and you can build your own stuff but it’s not as clean or portable as this setup. Thanks Will for the review.
It's hard to believe that Jackery can't solve Will's bluetooth connection, are they braindead??? And how hard is it for them to work in the code a millisecond complete disconnect so the unit keeps working and doesn't require a manual restart for everything to work (or better yet, rework the code to make it seamless?). Thanks for keeping it real Will, I never make a decision without seeing your take on items I'm interested in.
If this would charge off AC while outputting AC, I would get this in a heartbeat. For our camper, I would love to have something I could plug in to a household outlet and have it pull 10 amps, but then would output up to 30 amps when the Air Conditioner went on.
It does charge off AC while outputting AC. I run my unfinished basement off of one which draws 180-1800watts throughout the day, and set the AC/solar threshold to a limit where it only sometimes needs to kick over to AC charging in the morning if there was not enough solar the prior day.
It absolutely will charge off AC with 600 to 1800 watts of AC using the supplied 110 charging plug supplied. I have been running my GF 33 1/2 ft 5th wheel 24/7 since mid February bought it during the presale event for 4799.00. we are using the 5th wheel as an ADU on a county parcel in Central Cal where PG&E rates are 49 cents per kWh. Before using the Eco flow with the 5th wheel hooked to the house the bill was jumping PG&E tiers and running 700 to 1k per month. since we bought it she ran the AC everyday during the summer until about 8:30 in the evening and I built a 15Kwh hr back up battery bank using a 1200watt inverter to charge it with 600 to 1800 watt overnight when consumption is low. When the sun rises in the morning the Eco flo still has 50% charge and easily maintains and my backup system does the same. I know it is more expensive than the EG4 but it got me by as EG4 was updating their certifications as a bypass for the solar permiting process here in California. Running off a transfer switch and panels not mounted on the house using a ground mount have 5.6k solar hooked to the Eco flo best PV I have managed is 5.14k input. I have 1.6k charging my backup bank together my PG&E has averaged 120.00 per month since the setup so basically nearly paid off in one season. That is with only 2 circuts from the house and the 5th Wheel 24/7 since install. Only reason I went this way was to get passed the permiting process as the house is in a living trust I can live in it until I die but my daughter in managing the trust and would not allow solar on the house without a permit which required a whole new can of worms I was not willing to open. Hope this helps it is pricey but dep[ending on your needs and util rates it is not absurd.
That was a quick review, thanks for the comparison Also I can attest You can charge from 120v and use 240v out at the same time , but can not charge 240 and out 240 at the same time. Sorry for the guy that had so much issues I have not had any issues with the ecoflow company compare to other brand, I think ecoflow is very good over all and the Ultra when purchase on sale is a great buy a bit more expensive then EG4 kit but easy configuration and excellent software. DPU is now saling for 6kw $4,600 a full 30kw sells for $12,780.00 wehre w need more inofs is the automation can we program the dpu to star automatically if battery gets down to 20% exemple ? the DP3 does it but no luck findong the info on the DPU and yes you’re right Ultra short name would of been better
Maybe somebody like EG4 should make an inverter like this, with all the sockets / USB / UPS right on it... but bolted to an empty rack you can slide any 48v server rack battery into. I'd be almost the same as this, except you'd need to bolt in two cables rather than plug in one, but you'd have a completely modular system, and much cheaper!
Two Apollos cost more than one Ecoflow Ultra at the initial outlay but the capital cost per charge cycle for both combined is less than that of one Ecoflow. An Apollo is rated for 6000 charge cycles whereas the Ecoflow is rated for 3,800, i.e., 17 years under everyday use as opposed to 10.
Costco started selling Ecoflow systems starting 2 years ago. Last year they had a deal for an 18Kw system with the home panel 2 for $9999, for the most part it's OK, 4 months after setting it up they had a firmware update, after that update and the last 2, the max high input solar will not charge over 3.5Kw, before the update it charged at 7Kw. But when solar is down when it's cloudy and we have to use a generator, it charges at 7Kw no issues. Another issue, is that the inverter fans are crap and I installed 3 120mm fans on top to help keep it cool. Their tech support is pure garbage, I found answers to my issues quicker on redit and youtube then waiting for some Indian to not help 30m+ on the phone. The great thing about Costco is their return policy, if the next firmware update doesn't fix the high input solar capped at 3.5Kw, I'm just going to return it and replace it with a real system.
do yourself a favor go to their website and throw one in the cart just for kicks and see what time it will ship for you, it told me shipping will start in September.........Yeah I know September just passed
Not sure if anyone has made the connection yet but tiny homes, off grid cabins, or standalone shops could use a “portable” system that uses RV type connection, normal solar and gas/propane generator connections. If a person wanted to “winterize” a cabin and take the electrical system with them, it’s just unplug the solar the generator and load it in the truck. This is not hard…
I paid 4300 for mine with the early bird discount coupon thing when they were first announced for sale. I have a total of 2 batteries. And have it connected to a transfer switch completely powering my home so I'm off grid I guess lol. I do wish they had an outside rated version though.
12000xp next! I have one now, and I just want an approval, I already expect a full positive review, but If you want to open one up and show us how they did things right, damn I wont ever return it unless it fails : ) So far mine isnt hooked up for safety wiring reasons. I want everything safe and solid. Moving up from a 6kw growatt inverter, so a bit more to deal with. Thanks. I am doing all my research to do everything I want to do right, safe, and to code. Not back feeding to grid obviously. Thanks for all your great information!
Have you ever thought of doing a small cabinet battery from China I bought one and cannot believe the value 15kw $2000 including taxes delivered to my door in 60 days eve grade a Teze is the brand impress so far
Thank you so much for the thorough review. Are there any all in one units like these on the market that can take a custom built or a server rack battery instead of proprietary ones
Unable to charge via AC - while using the AC inverter - crazy and pointless for so many applications - You have really put me off upgrading my AC500 to this!
The lack of ability to output AC and charge ac at the same time is a killer for this one. When you are out of juice Unless you have alot of solar already, you have to turn everything off for 3+ hours. The Jackery Explorer 5000 is a better deal because it's cheaper and you can charge 120v ac input and also output 120v ac at the same time. Jackery is more portable too.
Oh man, i had no idea the batteries didn't actually lock together.. i had a segway cube, and it locks all the expansion batteries together, so i kinda thought maybe this was similar.. but i don't think anyone in their reviews ever mentioned they just kinda stack but don't lock.. I'll be honest, it looks so cool, but i think i'd need to see the price come down.. i have the delta pro with the expansion battery and that was just over 3k.. and it's been great... i had no idea about the wheels either.. man.. i still think the eg4 server rack setup you did a awhile ago is still a better way to go.
I think you nailed the review. I have this product with 3 batteries, 3.4 k ground mount bifacials and a manual transfer switch. Set up was easy and it works perfectly. A few comments on your concerns - a little $$ but often discounted - I got mine at Costco with three batteries with for $7999 - including delivery. The world agrees the cart is woefully inadequate - Ecoflow sells a stabilization strap (some 2x4 and a shim works too). They also sell a different battery cable that (I believe) would permit other configurations, like separating the inverter from the battery stack. You didn't comment on build quality, but I watched a tear down video and it looked pretty impressive. Lastly, one reason I bought it is that it is "portable" (other than stupid heavy) - I plan to take the inverter and one battery while traveling and use the Low PV to maintain it. One unrelated comment, thanks Will for your tutorial on calculating string voltage. I'm in Michigan and using the temperature coefficient showed that I had 2 panels to many - saving me from a potential disaster - so big thanks for that.
I was looking at this last month. But after doing the math I got a signature solar 14k battery and solar inverter I have a 6548sgp inverter I am not using. Bette deal
overpriced if you can do stuff yourself, great if you cant. I have no interest in this unit, but imma watch all the way through because Will is so helpful
Yes, ECOFLOW is expensive, but if you're a deal searcher you can get the prices way down. After it was all said and done, I got my Delta 3 Pro for little over $2000 OTD New.
I used to work for Ameresco for over a decade and I sold application specific and fully engineered standalone solar power stations for military and industrial applications and state parks, border patrol etc. Of course our systems were always packaged in extremely high-end enclosures but I always joked that these guys would put me out of a job! Similar specs to this:, my system would sell for about $24,000! 😂😂
i got the kit (inverter + 2 batteries) from costco canada for 7300 CAD which is 5200 USD pretty "cheap" and i would not have bought it if it wasnt coming from costco, any issue? easy return
5:40 I noticed you still need to disconnect the unit from the outlet before charging your Tesla. I remember seeing your other video where the unit was damaged due to a grounding issue, and now it only works when disconnected from the outlet. Do you plug your DPU into a surge protector, like a Belkin? Since DPUs are expensive, I assume investing in a good surge protector would help protect it. Have you also noticed that the Online UPS port on your DPU constantly drains the battery, which could shorten its lifespan if used all day, every day? That seems less than ideal. I understand the Backup UPS port also draws some power, likely to keep the inverter running for when the grid goes down. I’d like to use the Online UPS port on mine, but I worry about hitting the 3500-cycle mark in about eight years, which would reduce capacity to 80%. Personally, I prefer to maintain 100% capacity for as long as possible-ideally until I no longer need it. 😅 Plus, I’m not sure I could afford to replace the battery in the not-so-distant future, so I stick to using the Backup UPS ports for now. Do you have any advice on pairing a UPS system with the Backup UPS ports without triggering the wiring fault indicator lights? Apologies for the long comment packed with questions! You seem very knowledgeable, and given EcoFlow’s decision not to send you a unit with bad software (knowing you’d catch the issues), you’re definitely the right person to ask.
Great video Will, better late than never! LOL I was telling my wife (I'm using her account btw) how far you've come. I remember watching your early videos years ago when you were still doing "Van Life". LOL Anyway, can you please recommend some decent panels for this Ecoflow Ultra? I live in Texas so I need some that can withstand hail. Also I'm going to buy this same exact set up you have here and my budget is about 1500 to 2000 for panels that I am going to mount vertically along my back yard fence. I have legit reasons. Thx!
I just watched your video on the EcoFlow ultra and I know it was expensive but I like the engineering and design of the product! I was hoping you would have talked more about the software features, it communicates both in Bluetooth and wifi. However Bluetooth only gives you basic info, power in, power out, percentage, temp, volts etc.. The history data it logs can only be accessed on the cloud. If you happened to be at a remote cabin somewhere with no internet is available you cannot see the history. I wish there was some way with Bluetooth to get that data! Found that out when our router bit the dust a few days ago.
Ive had good luck with the Delta Pros. I own a couple of them. I bought the Smart Generator 1 when it came out, and it was TERRIBLE. Wouldnt start half the time, LCD bugs out and sw bricks itself, ran so roughly that it vibrated itself across the driveway. Ecoflow did replace it twice before I told them to stop.
I live in Ukraine. Because of the Russian attacks on power plants this summer, the country lived with power outage schedules, for example, 2 hours of electricity and 4 hours of no electricity. Many of my friends have Ecoflow, it is a very reliable manufacturer.
Ecoflow is a trash company. I bought the delta pro with the Smart Generator. Had to replace Generator 5 times in 1 yr. And 3 times with the Delta Pro. They would not give me all my money back. Don't buy from ecoflow.
Five times!!! Holy cow!!! You should post that experience on the forum for all to see
And three times for a pro. Geez!!
I had one of their portable river 2’s and the ups node broke the first month. I agree the company is trash
Just pinned this comment if anybody else wants to share their experience with product failures
Have to agree. I tought they are premium, but my friend got many products from them, battery packs to air conditioner and many of them broke under a year. Price does not match to the quality at all in my opinion. They also have had weird hiccups related to software. No go for me.
I find that hard to believe. If it's somehow true, typically it's the customer who's doing something wrong.
AC does charge and discharge at the same time but you have to have it connected to a 120v plug 🙂 Need to use the Power IN/OUT to get the highest charging 7200w of pure energy. and AC output simultaneously 😀
Hope you review the SHP2!!
Looking at $6,500 for system and solar panels. My 48 volt EG4 all in one Will Prowse designed hand truck system from Signature Solar was $3,300 with free delivery. I am happy with my system and its price. Thanks Will. Happy happy at my off grid cabin.
Our cabin runs on an EG4 system with gas generator backup…
This DPU is what started my search into solar. The search lead me to Will's channel. Will led me to EG4. It's a lot of learning but I'm getting there.
0:00 Intro
2:01 240V AC Charging Test
3:16 Price Comparison
4:51 240V EV Charging Test
6:04 Ecoflow VS Jackery
7:14 Downsides of Ecoflow Ultra
9:34 App Connection Test
10:17 Final Thoughts
I got this thing for $2800 as a price mistake from Home Depot a few months ago. I like how I can power my 220v well pump in a power outtage and keep it topped off with a tiny efficient 120v generator.
I got mine on a crazy deal from Home Depot from their 4th of july savings. I paid $2,799 for 1 inverter + 1 battery. Needless to say that deal was up for about 30 minutes. 2 months later I bought a refurbished battery directly from Ecoflow's ebay store, and that was $1,799. I've been charging EV almost daily with this thing and it worked great so far. Retail price is pretty steep, but if you have patience and do your research, you can get this beast for a much better price than the Jackery.
Thank you for your video!
How in the world was it that cheap! Haven't seen that low of a price anywhere
That's awesome you're charging an EV! Heck yeah!
@@WillProwseEVs need direct solar input capability! Silly to convert DC to AC then back to DC.
Haha same exact thing I did.. got that home depot deal and also got an extra refurb battery off their ebay store on sale.
@@WillProwse I had a deal alert set for the Delta pro ultra on slickdeals and once I saw the notification pop up I was in and out homedepot buying process in less than a minute haha
There were about 200 units in that campaign, but I’m pretty sure it was a price mistake on behalf of home depot. I didn’t expect to actually ship, but it did.
I did add a 30 amp disconnect to it sicne the pv switch seemed to break every time I turned it on and off.
The low voltage input in 1600w not 1200. I have the DPU with 5 batteries and 4000w solar and absolutely love it. Powers my house through a manual transfer switch I installed and the extra goes to my hummer. In CA electricity is really expensive and the monthly savings has been just about $200 a month. Been going strong everyday for the last 10 months.
They have offered the set with 3 batteries several times this year for $8k at Costco. That cost per watt really isn’t bad at all.
I have the DPU. If you charge it with 120 VAC it does pass through. No need to turn off the 120 outlets.
i was going to say what!?!? from 2:22 thanks
I feel like a kid on Christmas morning every time you post a new video. 😂
I have the OG Ecoflow Delta. Still works great.
Dittto, it took my refrigerator through hurricane Helene just fine.
I bought the DPU a year ago. I needed a transportable (I take it to a simple cabin for spring, summer and fall then home for winter), high pv input and the next reason for me was the batteries have internal heaters so they don't freeze during early spring and fall when temp can drop below freezing (I only heat my cabin when I am there). I have had several Ecoflow products and some have issues and some have run like champs. Just like any product you can get a lemon. For me Ecoflow has worked with me on getting a replacement or repair for any of my units. I don't like that their customer service does not seem to have a location in the USA so email is the better form of communication. Price is high but I have noticed they do some big sales so keep an eye out, just don't get confused with the word "sale" pay attention to price they always have a "sale" going on. I have seen authorized dealers with 1 inverter and 1 battery as low as $4049.
Same here; I bought the DPU back in June, has been running like a champ. Absolutely 0 issues. I had no issues with my Delta Max and Delta 2 as well. But totally agree their Customer Service is subpar....
I can't believe you didn't open up the ecoflow ultra battery. Can you open it up in another video? I really want to see the build quality. 😕
Ok will do. I always donate these power stations to forum members so they still work, but if you guys want to see it I will
@WillProwse I agree. Needs opened for atleast 1. Build quality is a large part of price integrity imo. Thanks Will!
@@WillProwseopen it please
I've been running the Delta 3 plus as a UPS for my computer/router and a few other electronics in my office for a few months and love it. I just started a project where I'm installing a Delta 3 pro in my shed with solar panels to make it completely off grid. Eventually I'll probably do the Ultra + smart home panel 2 for a whole home backup.
I've been waiting like forever for you to review this particular product!! Thanks 👍🏾 please do a load test on this and also do a load test on that Eg4 14.5kwh outdoor battery!!!😊😊😊
I considered a Delta Pro Ultra, but decided to go with a 6000XP and an EG4 indoor wall mount battery instead. Way more solar and battery capacity for less money. I have since added a second wall mount battery so I have more storage capacity. A lot of what I've learned about these have come from your videos! Thanks Will!
That Is what i did .
I am facing this choice next season for an off-grid facility in a remote location. One of the main reasons I am considering the DPU is that everything I have read indicates that it is extremely quiet during normal operations, which is a critical requirement for my users. I have been given the impression from various reviews that the 6000XP is quite noisy compared to the DPU's inverter, but I have never seen anybody do a comprehensive review of the actual, measured noise levels among these products, so I am not sure how to reach a conclusion. I think this is a real gap in the product review world, especially when it comes to off-grid and portable products.
@@josephkeene6670 When you have high amounts of solar or high kw draw (4000-6000kw), the 6000XP will spin up the fans. Ours is in the basement so upstair you can't hear it, but I wouldn't want to work in the same room. Low solar or low draw, it's very quiet. I've left the fans on auto, but you can manually set the fan speeds, although I don't think that's recomended.
That's a beautiful color on that Tesla.
Yep, they nailed that color.
Americans will buy any color car as long as it's a shade between white and black.
Thank you Will, I have this configuration on my fifth wheel full time living. Love the ease of 30amp RV plug, if I change RV's, my Ultra goes with me. I have to say, yes expensive, so was my truck and my RV, nothing good is cheap. I feel their value is reflected in their price AND customer service are worth it! Keep up the most excellent reviews and teachings as I now am starting to talk like you too my friends lol.
thanks for the honest feedback about the casters part.
Ecoflow actually has these Connectors that can secure your system if you have more than 2 batteries if your concerned about it falling, I wish the Voc was like 160 on the low end so I could put four 400w panels in series.
Ridiculous price
Agreed, packaged convenience.
I LOVE the DPU. Pricey but it was worth it during Hurricane Milton!!
I upgraded from the Delta pro with extra battery and smart generator. I absolutely love this.. I have 4 batteries my solar array only generates 1100 watts in midday sun but with the adaptor connected to my 30amp generator I can charge at 6000 watts. The unit is completely silent unlike the delta pro which has noisy fans. I’m up north in an off grid cabin. It gets cold. Too cold for most systems but the lithium batteries have a conditioner switch that warms them. This is a sleek futuristic design and after experimenting with lead acid batteries that crack when run down and frozen and noisy inverters this seems the ultimate.
Would be cool if you could do a DIY build with the same or better specs and compare pricing
Yes I have about 10 videos covering that
Check out my DIY eco flow builds
Just got some comments from people thinking that the inverter does not run when it's charging from solar. That's not true it's only from AC that it does that. Most solar generators are like that actually. Unfortunately
Thank you for clarification
Are you sure that is true? I plug a small 2200 watt inverter generator into this battery and charge through the ac input while the battery powers my house. I think you just can't charge from the house while you power the house because it trips gfci?
ive heard from other channels that if you get the gen cord for the power in/out port you can charge with 240v and the ac out will still work.
The delta2 max isnt setup that way. I have my station pluged in but set to only draw from the grid if power falls below 40% I've been running the inverter and had that kick on when I havent had enough solar and it works just fine.
I have an AC300 in PV priority UPS powering a transfer switch. If I upgraded to DPU, does it have a mode that behaves the same way?
Fair review. I think that your final summary says it well: this is for those who have the money to afford it and want a quick and convenient solution. A server mount backup array with a generator managed using Home Assistant would cost far less in the long run but requires more work to setup and maintain, and it isn't a closed and curated ecosystem. It's like the choice between the Apple and Android ecosystems for smart phones, with Google being more like the Jackery, or the choice between Apple, Microsoft or Linux for PCs: do you want it to "just work" while being limited in certain respects at a higher cost and fewer options, do you want maximum flexibility and configurability with the responsibility to make it work yourself or something that is somewhere in between these? I can see the use for this as a option when mobile (assuming it's permanently installed in a van or the casters are replaced with a high quality base with heavy duty metal casters), but for me at this time I'll stick with the Jackery for mobile use and with a server rack battery bank and tri-fuel generator managed using Home Assistant for my home.
Will, if you leverage the DPU Generator Adapter that you connect to the Side Input/Output port, you can charge the DPU at up to 7200 watts, while keeping the AC Inverter on! I am configured this way at the moment and works very well!
I just wish that cord was included and not sold separate. imo
I understand Will's points about price but it really is easy to set up. I would love to see Will get the smart panel. Right now Ecoflow has admitted it cannot charge via the smart panel at its maximum charge *7k+) through the grid but claims they are working on it. I ran into that issue myself. And Will is 1000% right about the rolling mount. I have 2 batteries and I doubt very much it could handle more than 3 and that's if its stationary. I'm using it for whole home backup but I do have a gas generator for longer outages.
This might impact the battery connectors and buttons, but a tow strap wrapped under the handles, across the top, and around the bottom between the castors might keep the stack together better even if stability remains poor.
I have a Ecoflow Delta Max. Had it for almost 2 years, the first one broke after 8 months. It took 3 months for Ecoflows service center to find the fault and the finaly to replace the unit.
My replacement unit works fine, but I will nere buy anything form them again.
Would rather build my own system with components from Victron.
The RV port is a GREAT feature. Not all that many solar generators come with it standard. Anchor comes to mind and there are a few others. Tons of full-time RVers out here ... not to mention weekend warriors that use their RV occasionally., Love this unit. You're right ... the price is very high. It's the Cadillac.
Would imagine the competition is breathing down ecoflows neck, probably why you got to review the ultra mate!
Good review Wiil, as always.
Ecoflow have built up a good reputation, whether justified or not, but it's pretty bad that they attempt lock in their own products.
There are plenty of $1000 16S 100Ah LFP racks that could just be added in parallel, and getting cheaper. They should be just like Lego!
I made my own portable pack using a 3kW inverter and few 48V scooter packs or a Vatrer 100Ah battery and 2 x 2kW solar controllers for a fraction of the cost.
It doesn't look as good, but it does the job and can charge my EV or run house essentials or work in the field, and I made it! 🙂
i have the ecoflow ultra with smart home panel 2 and love it. no problems here at all.
That new Tesla model 3 looks clean. The delta pro is probably easier to replace the batteries out if they go bad whereas the Jackery on board battery is built inside? Still not worth the additional $1500 bucks! I’ll stick with my regular pieced together home solar. It costed a fraction of that for much more capacity.
Very good point
Will with All your knowledge on this subject I'm thinking, you should sit down and help design the Ultimate battery setup with everything one would need for off grid applications
11:00 was exactly what I was thinking.
Costco has this with 3 batteries for 9k, 10k with the smart panel which seems like a good deal (vs their normal prices at least), believe its going to have a 1k off sale here soon as well. Honestly a pretty good deal, especially with the sale.
9:02 yeah I love how ppl think if the pay big money for 5kwh power station and they will have whole home backup for days lol
I have to admit, that’s 2 days for me with conservative useage.
Do you think getting one of those wooden dollies to put the Ecoflow ultra on would be better than what they provide? They are supposed to be rated at 1000 pounds and you can get decent priced ones at Harbor Freight. I use a few of them for things like smaller power stations and 12 volt fridges to make it easy to move them around. I do like those wheels you showed in the video.
I love ecoflow! I have the delta 2 pro, planning on going offgrid with this product thr 90kw maxed out version, it should be good for offgrid set up
Good video, Will. It would be nice if those stackable batteries had foldup lugs on the top that disconnect when folded down and matching sockets on the bottom of the batteries and bottom of the head unit. That would allow them to plug in when stacked without needing a cable on the outside at all. It may also help with the stabilization of a stack set.
it's just like the inkjet printer game..... pay a ton for all the extra batteries
I bought one of these with 3 batteries and 2 inverters and the Smart Home Panel 2 because I was extremely intimidated at the thought of building my own system with ZERO experience. Had an electrician mount the Smart Panel and I have done everything else including doing a ground mount with 12 solar panels, which I plan to expand to 24 panels shortly. This thing is almost plug and play, anything else you buy is very complicated to a newbie. Also, you can buy all this stuff for much less. I paid $5700 for the Smart Home panel 2 with one inverter and battery on a sale on Amazon and then paid $6500 from Earthtech products for another inverter with 2 batteries on a sale they had. You can easily get at least 10% off the retail price if you look just a bit which makes the price a lot more competitive.
ive heard from other channels that if you get the gen cord for the power in/out port you can charge with 240v and the ac out will still work.
I have a DPU with three batteries and love it. Plug and play with a ton of battery storage. Yeah it’s a little pricey and you can build your own stuff but it’s not as clean or portable as this setup. Thanks Will for the review.
It's hard to believe that Jackery can't solve Will's bluetooth connection, are they braindead??? And how hard is it for them to work in the code a millisecond complete disconnect so the unit keeps working and doesn't require a manual restart for everything to work (or better yet, rework the code to make it seamless?). Thanks for keeping it real Will, I never make a decision without seeing your take on items I'm interested in.
Thankyou for this evaluation! 😁👍👍🇺🇸
Which would you rather have for a first time user in a TinyHouse, the ECOFLOW ULTRA or EG4 SYSTEM? 😁👍👍🇺🇸
Eg4
@@WillProwse Thanks! I am trying to put together an 1 - EG4 Inverter and 2 - EG4 Batteries. 😁👍👍🇺🇸
@@WillProwse I wish Signature Solar had a full kit! 😱
If this would charge off AC while outputting AC, I would get this in a heartbeat. For our camper, I would love to have something I could plug in to a household outlet and have it pull 10 amps, but then would output up to 30 amps when the Air Conditioner went on.
It does charge off AC while outputting AC. I run my unfinished basement off of one which draws 180-1800watts throughout the day, and set the AC/solar threshold to a limit where it only sometimes needs to kick over to AC charging in the morning if there was not enough solar the prior day.
Look at a Titan.
It absolutely will charge off AC with 600 to 1800 watts of AC using the supplied 110 charging plug supplied. I have been running my GF 33 1/2 ft 5th wheel 24/7 since mid February bought it during the presale event for 4799.00. we are using the 5th wheel as an ADU on a county parcel in Central Cal where PG&E rates are 49 cents per kWh. Before using the Eco flow with the 5th wheel hooked to the house the bill was jumping PG&E tiers and running 700 to 1k per month. since we bought it she ran the AC everyday during the summer until about 8:30 in the evening and I built a 15Kwh hr back up battery bank using a 1200watt inverter to charge it with 600 to 1800 watt overnight when consumption is low. When the sun rises in the morning the Eco flo still has 50% charge and easily maintains and my backup system does the same. I know it is more expensive than the EG4 but it got me by as EG4 was updating their certifications as a bypass for the solar permiting process here in California. Running off a transfer switch and panels not mounted on the house using a ground mount have 5.6k solar hooked to the Eco flo best PV I have managed is 5.14k input. I have 1.6k charging my backup bank together my PG&E has averaged 120.00 per month since the setup so basically nearly paid off in one season. That is with only 2 circuts from the house and the 5th Wheel 24/7 since install. Only reason I went this way was to get passed the permiting process as the house is in a living trust I can live in it until I die but my daughter in managing the trust and would not allow solar on the house without a permit which required a whole new can of worms I was not willing to open. Hope this helps it is pricey but dep[ending on your needs and util rates it is not absurd.
That was a quick review, thanks for the comparison Also I can attest You can charge from 120v and use 240v out at the same time , but can not charge 240 and out 240 at the same time. Sorry for the guy that had so much issues I have not had any issues with the ecoflow company compare to other brand, I think ecoflow is very good over all and the Ultra when purchase on sale is a great buy a bit more expensive then EG4 kit but easy configuration and excellent software. DPU is now saling for 6kw $4,600 a full 30kw sells for $12,780.00 wehre w need more inofs is the automation can we program the dpu to star automatically if battery gets down to 20% exemple ? the DP3 does it but no luck findong the info on the DPU and yes you’re right Ultra short name would of been better
Maybe somebody like EG4 should make an inverter like this, with all the sockets / USB / UPS right on it... but bolted to an empty rack you can slide any 48v server rack battery into. I'd be almost the same as this, except you'd need to bolt in two cables rather than plug in one, but you'd have a completely modular system, and much cheaper!
Better to use a Deye/SolArk/EG4 hybrid inverter and lifepo4 battery setup. Less expensive, more reliable.
Excellent review time after time!😊
Great job as usual!
Two Apollos cost more than one Ecoflow Ultra at the initial outlay but the capital cost per charge cycle for both combined is less than that of one Ecoflow. An Apollo is rated for 6000 charge cycles whereas the Ecoflow is rated for 3,800, i.e., 17 years under everyday use as opposed to 10.
I don't think I saw you do it, but all the outlet covers slide into the unit, safely out of the way, reducing the risk of them getting snapped off.
Costco started selling Ecoflow systems starting 2 years ago. Last year they had a deal for an 18Kw system with the home panel 2 for $9999, for the most part it's OK, 4 months after setting it up they had a firmware update, after that update and the last 2, the max high input solar will not charge over 3.5Kw, before the update it charged at 7Kw. But when solar is down when it's cloudy and we have to use a generator, it charges at 7Kw no issues. Another issue, is that the inverter fans are crap and I installed 3 120mm fans on top to help keep it cool. Their tech support is pure garbage, I found answers to my issues quicker on redit and youtube then waiting for some Indian to not help 30m+ on the phone. The great thing about Costco is their return policy, if the next firmware update doesn't fix the high input solar capped at 3.5Kw, I'm just going to return it and replace it with a real system.
Black Friday is coming up. Hopefully they put it on sale.
do yourself a favor go to their website and throw one in the cart just for kicks and see what time it will ship for you, it told me shipping will start in September.........Yeah I know September just passed
Not sure if anyone has made the connection yet but tiny homes, off grid cabins, or standalone shops could use a “portable” system that uses RV type connection, normal solar and gas/propane generator connections.
If a person wanted to “winterize” a cabin and take the electrical system with them, it’s just unplug the solar the generator and load it in the truck.
This is not hard…
I watch a lot of RV and Overlanders. They have good luck with Ecoflow and Bluetti.
I agree with Will to simply rename this as Ecoflow Ultra.
I paid 4300 for mine with the early bird discount coupon thing when they were first announced for sale. I have a total of 2 batteries. And have it connected to a transfer switch completely powering my home so I'm off grid I guess lol. I do wish they had an outside rated version though.
12000xp next! I have one now, and I just want an approval, I already expect a full positive review, but If you want to open one up and show us how they did things right, damn I wont ever return it unless it fails : ) So far mine isnt hooked up for safety wiring reasons. I want everything safe and solid. Moving up from a 6kw growatt inverter, so a bit more to deal with. Thanks. I am doing all my research to do everything I want to do right, safe, and to code. Not back feeding to grid obviously. Thanks for all your great information!
Great video! If you get a chance would be great to see a review/breakdown of the new EG4 GridBoss and FlexBoss (21k) products. Thanks! 😊
Planning on that when I get it 👍🏻
Should be soon
Pro Ultimate Ultra Supreme. Buy it buy it now.
Have you ever thought of doing a small cabinet battery from China I bought one and cannot believe the value 15kw $2000 including taxes delivered to my door in 60 days eve grade a Teze is the brand impress so far
Save your money. Build your own
Thank you so much
As always love your input thank you 👍🏼
Delta pro 3 next 👍👍
Thank you so much for the thorough review. Are there any all in one units like these on the market that can take a custom built or a server rack battery instead of proprietary ones
For someone that doesn’t have a shelter of sticks and/or bricks , this unit would be great , but the price !
Unable to charge via AC - while using the AC inverter - crazy and pointless for so many applications - You have really put me off upgrading my AC500 to this!
The lack of ability to output AC and charge ac at the same time is a killer for this one. When you are out of juice Unless you have alot of solar already, you have to turn everything off for 3+ hours. The Jackery Explorer 5000 is a better deal because it's cheaper and you can charge 120v ac input and also output 120v ac at the same time. Jackery is more portable too.
Unless I go Off the Grid, I rather pay the Electric Bill, and keep a cheap Harbor freight generator just in case
Oh man, i had no idea the batteries didn't actually lock together.. i had a segway cube, and it locks all the expansion batteries together, so i kinda thought maybe this was similar.. but i don't think anyone in their reviews ever mentioned they just kinda stack but don't lock.. I'll be honest, it looks so cool, but i think i'd need to see the price come down.. i have the delta pro with the expansion battery and that was just over 3k.. and it's been great... i had no idea about the wheels either.. man.. i still think the eg4 server rack setup you did a awhile ago is still a better way to go.
If I understand correctly it cant export to the grid?
Is there a video out there on grid export options with batteries?
I think you nailed the review. I have this product with 3 batteries, 3.4 k ground mount bifacials and a manual transfer switch. Set up was easy and it works perfectly. A few comments on your concerns - a little $$ but often discounted - I got mine at Costco with three batteries with for $7999 - including delivery. The world agrees the cart is woefully inadequate - Ecoflow sells a stabilization strap (some 2x4 and a shim works too). They also sell a different battery cable that (I believe) would permit other configurations, like separating the inverter from the battery stack. You didn't comment on build quality, but I watched a tear down video and it looked pretty impressive. Lastly, one reason I bought it is that it is "portable" (other than stupid heavy) - I plan to take the inverter and one battery while traveling and use the Low PV to maintain it. One unrelated comment, thanks Will for your tutorial on calculating string voltage. I'm in Michigan and using the temperature coefficient showed that I had 2 panels to many - saving me from a potential disaster - so big thanks for that.
I was looking at this last month. But after doing the math I got a signature solar 14k battery and solar inverter I have a 6548sgp inverter I am not using. Bette deal
overpriced if you can do stuff yourself, great if you cant. I have no interest in this unit, but imma watch all the way through because Will is so helpful
Yes, ECOFLOW is expensive, but if you're a deal searcher you can get the prices way down. After it was all said and done, I got my Delta 3 Pro for little over $2000 OTD New.
I used to work for Ameresco for over a decade and I sold application specific and fully engineered standalone solar power stations for military and industrial applications and state parks, border patrol etc. Of course our systems were always packaged in extremely high-end enclosures but I always joked that these guys would put me out of a job! Similar specs to this:, my system would sell for about $24,000! 😂😂
Halo yes! Can we get EcoFlow to license the shield recharging sound effects please?
Can we please get a update on the EP Cube?
i got the kit (inverter + 2 batteries) from costco canada for 7300 CAD which is 5200 USD
pretty "cheap" and i would not have bought it if it wasnt coming from costco, any issue? easy return
4:53 my god what a beautiful car haha
5:40 I noticed you still need to disconnect the unit from the outlet before charging your Tesla. I remember seeing your other video where the unit was damaged due to a grounding issue, and now it only works when disconnected from the outlet. Do you plug your DPU into a surge protector, like a Belkin? Since DPUs are expensive, I assume investing in a good surge protector would help protect it.
Have you also noticed that the Online UPS port on your DPU constantly drains the battery, which could shorten its lifespan if used all day, every day? That seems less than ideal. I understand the Backup UPS port also draws some power, likely to keep the inverter running for when the grid goes down. I’d like to use the Online UPS port on mine, but I worry about hitting the 3500-cycle mark in about eight years, which would reduce capacity to 80%. Personally, I prefer to maintain 100% capacity for as long as possible-ideally until I no longer need it. 😅 Plus, I’m not sure I could afford to replace the battery in the not-so-distant future, so I stick to using the Backup UPS ports for now.
Do you have any advice on pairing a UPS system with the Backup UPS ports without triggering the wiring fault indicator lights? Apologies for the long comment packed with questions! You seem very knowledgeable, and given EcoFlow’s decision not to send you a unit with bad software (knowing you’d catch the issues), you’re definitely the right person to ask.
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FYI, when charging from 120, the AC Output functions fine.
Great video Will, better late than never! LOL I was telling my wife (I'm using her account btw) how far you've come. I remember watching your early videos years ago when you were still doing "Van Life". LOL Anyway, can you please recommend some decent panels for this Ecoflow Ultra? I live in Texas so I need some that can withstand hail. Also I'm going to buy this same exact set up you have here and my budget is about 1500 to 2000 for panels that I am going to mount vertically along my back yard fence. I have legit reasons. Thx!
I bought one of these for a small off grid cabin and while it works as designed, the power consumption for its own inverter is off the hook.
I was going to get it but dang, those casters. And price... 😂
I just watched your video on the EcoFlow ultra and I know it was expensive but I like the engineering and design of the product! I was hoping you would have talked more about the software features, it communicates both in Bluetooth and wifi. However Bluetooth only gives you basic info, power in, power out, percentage, temp, volts etc.. The history data it logs can only be accessed on the cloud. If you happened to be at a remote cabin somewhere with no internet is available you cannot see the history. I wish there was some way with Bluetooth to get that data! Found that out when our router bit the dust a few days ago.
What charger where you using that didn't need a neutral ground?
Ive had good luck with the Delta Pros. I own a couple of them. I bought the Smart Generator 1 when it came out, and it was TERRIBLE. Wouldnt start half the time, LCD bugs out and sw bricks itself, ran so roughly that it vibrated itself across the driveway. Ecoflow did replace it twice before I told them to stop.
I would like to see a comparison to 2× Anker SOLIX F3800 (12kW | 7.68kWh) + Smart Home Power Kit
Stack batters like that cool EPCube you have.
I live in Ukraine. Because of the Russian attacks on power plants this summer, the country lived with power outage schedules, for example, 2 hours of electricity and 4 hours of no electricity. Many of my friends have Ecoflow, it is a very reliable manufacturer.
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