First commentary from the entire community (and team) which is level headed, non defensive, addressing real points rather than ad hominem, and above all honest. Thankyou for this.
I think that the criticism is very valid across the board. I fear the 10 month runway will not even come close to getting back on track. With how incredibly slow the progression has come from Illuvium it means they will try and raise funds again but who would want to invest in a project that has had so little revenue or frivolously throws around funds for no reason. I would recommend change in leadership personally. If this happened in a traditional company the board would be looking for a new CEO immediately.
Spicy take, but based. 2 things that could be noted: 1.) Axie infinity only had 10's of thousands in revenue during their first few months. So illuvium is ahead of them(with that being said illuvium also raised a lot more capital and has MUCH higher expectations) 2.) What studio/leadership could we reach out to? Even if we wanted to changed them, who would want to touch this game. Traditional studio heads will see it as radioactive cause its crypto. If someone qualified stood up and stated they wanted to take over, maybe there could be a discussion around it.
@@Polemos_io Axies time was so long ago and built itself on a completely different set of ideals than Illuvium. Look at Axie today, they have dumped so much money into revamping their game and creating a next generation version of itself that it never realized it was so out date and antiquated that its success came off of profitability and first mover advantage. Comparing ourselves to dinosaurs is not how we evolve, its how we trick ourselves into complacency of success. If I compare myself to a caveman I can plead that I am far superior in every way possible, it doesnt help me become a better person of today. As for who would you reach out to, thats a feat I fear would be very humbling. The funding and hype around Illuvium has turned it into a potential beacon of hope for Web3 gaming and a closer look on the balance sheet and books will tell a completely different story. At this point your best bet is to find another web3 company or a web2 company who isnt opposed to web3 viewpoints who would want to carry this torch. A lot of analytics are going to be involved in what it will take to right the ship and to tell a story of how it can turn from an unprofitable liability into a player magnet. At the end of the day it pains me as an investor and an avid gamer to see something I had hoped would be so successful fall to ruin. Big names such as Illuvium, star atlas and Shrapnel are pillars of our evolution of gaming in the web3 environment and any of them failing to deliver shutters across the entire ecosystem, this is the time gamers and game devs should be uniting more than ever. One of my biggest pieces of criticism is the ambition of Illuvium who wanted to create three amazing games that created a economic and entertainment feedback loop before they even created 1 amazing game that was playable. Hindsight though right?
I'm not sure I would take out the founders. Losing the original vision tends to kill a company outright. That said, some experienced hands below them that have a history of delivering on features in an Agile environment seems like a critical "must have," at this point. Where is the backlog? Where is the burndown? The output feels like a company driven by the latest whim of the leadership or DAO, but that's not how good software is made. (It is 100% how bad software is made.) I think a get well plan should include some folks experienced with turnarounds and software release management. There's probably a lot of energy on the Dev staff getting wasted chasing the "idea of the day" instead of "what can we deliver this season or this sprint?"
This is a beautiful ambitious project, they are just getting started with the ecosystem and need more time to refine. Not sure why some people want it to fail so badly.
Pertinent analyse, congrats !!! I have the same feeling at the end of Jauwn video when the Web 2 guy gives a chance of improving later on but I think definitely they should take the right steps
The first big crypto game will be one that has crypto as an optional feature. I don't want to make taxable events by selling what I earn in stage 0 to fund higher level access. This project is new to me, so I could be misinterpreting it.
That is a fair take. I'm horrified by the accounting I have to do right now. But its all losses as of now 🤣😅😭 I"m optimistic I'll turn it around though 😉
I liked all Illuvium games... Arena, Overworld and Zero, but unfortunately the prices are INSANELY HIGH, and the promises that you can generate revenue with the game are not true. You can play free stages and get NFTs, but nobody is buying it. Really disagree that you can finance your own grow without putting any money. But since I've got something from the airdrop, I will use for playing higher stages. And not just the fuel, but everything you will forge from higher stages requires other consumables. The captures attempting failing with a shard that you paid real money for it is kind of disrespectful for me. I just really don't know why his graphic card is suffering so much. I have a 4060 and is running very smooth, with 90-140 FPS and the card is working between 60-70% core use. Graphics is one under the max.
I know Soda(guy doing the Free to play account), hates the shard fails. Back when shards were indestructible, he felt the game was a lot better off. The earning potential will always drop t the economic level of the poorest country. I had a couple scholars that put in over 660 hours in testnet. and got over 25ilv, but they sold their soul to grind out the game to perfect efficiency. I wonder if there is anyway to regionalize the game. I just don't know how to get around vpn's Ohh nice to hear the 40 series are doing well! My 3080 works well most of the time but still crash from time to time. I'm sure they will keep improving.
@Polemos he didn't say 'features don't change', he said 'CORE features don't change'. Which is correct, assuming Illuvium is using the word Beta correctly.
Appreciate the comment, but they have already announced major changes and even leaked some of them like combat in the overworld. It will be more like a hack and slash action rpg eventually. Maybe "BETA" is not the word, but other games have made large changed as well
@@Polemos_io It's true Betas can turn into something else. This is a clear sign that the project has failed in some aspect though. If you take the Fortnite example, they changed the game completely and made a restructure and changed the name from Save the World to just Fortnite. - A completely new game.
Best investment for the time being, this game is fun to play, especially if you are an adult who enjoys Pokémon. People just complain because they want to get money out of the game without spending penny. They are calculating ROI while playing and are not enjoying the game. They are unaware that the best prize in this game is airdrops.
Thanks really appreciate your comment! I still need to increase my output. I have been a little slow since the launch, but will start picking the speed up in the coming weeks as we get closer to launching our services.
The real problems comes after you play alot. Im tired of getting craft erros. I had so many craft and fuel buy erros, that i cant even track anymore. With that, i lose money, time, airdrop points and get stressed out. To not talk about the amount of bots that are causing this issue. In beta they said they would remove all cheaters, and give back the points to those who farmed fairly. They ended up just holding those $ILV. What i get by this: they have bno criterias, and can change mind pretty quickly. I wonder how many cheaters there bleeding the game and they cant do nothing, because the amount of points that they supressed from beta is so small that even by rank inference, you can say it. In beta we were only losing time and sirdrop points, now we are also losing money. AND THEY ARE NOT BEING CLEAR ABOUT THAT, LOOKS LIKE THEY ARE HIDDING THE PROBLEMS
Your comment is bringing up emotions I suppressed 😱 I had multiple accounts at the beginning because I was running a big guild operation to get the #1 ids. And I have several scholars who lost stuff due to bugs. I have no way of tracking it....Super sad and there is no way to track it all. It's just impossible there is also no way they are going to go back and check every account. They really need to fix those errors. I haven't experienced any fails in a few weeks. But i did just see the announcement earlier this week that it was happening again...really sad. You better know that I hate the bots and people abusing the wave 40 milestone. I wrote an IIP to remove ALL those points. Still waiting to hear back how they will handle it.
Just the sheer volume of cost to play caused me to not join at all in the Public. Land, the actual tokens, all of it has not been worth it IMO. Played the testnet, cause it was free. But i wont waste any more money on it. Played 68 hours and a few holos, earned .6 tokens in points, exciting return on my time. The other thing i found, was it was just the same thing over and over with brutal random encounter modifiers the higher you go.
Ya totally fair statement. Honestly it was probably best you didn't pay yet. Fuel prices and patches have changed the yield output substantially(even in the last week). I think they are noticing that there was a substantial drop from testnet to here. I imagine they will try to find a model that works better. I will mention that I haven't seen any game do well on the "Earn" factor. As long as a game can be played globally. The earning potential will always drop to the economic level of the poorest country. I had a couple scholars that put in over 660 hours in testnet. and got over 25ilv, but they sold their soul to grind out the game to perfect efficiency. I wonder if there is anyway to regionalize the game. I just don't know how to get around vpn's
The cinematic makes it look like a shooter game, I showed it to my non web2 cousins. They asked if the game is similar to Halo or something. There are amazing illuvials, we literally saw 2 in the cinematic. No indication that its a monster catching game.
@@Polemos_io Doesnt even have to capture sequence. Like One of the main selling point Illuvium pushed was Its Pokemon for adults with amazingly made detailed creatures. And did not even showcase them. Like huge proud roaming Mah'mut, running and disappearing dash, the majesting and alluring Adorius. Like if i was just getting into illuvium I wouldnt even know its monster catching game with that trailer. Let alone know, they have these majestic creatures. Take LOL trailers for example. All literally all of them focuses the story around their champions. A story told around them yes, but not just showing off how they look or what their powers are like but show them in a way they feel alive living in a world.
I like the criticisms because that would make the game better: fail fast! That way you improve faster. Some of the arguments here are very valid. Most of them actually. We just need to make this get to the developers so that they understand what they need to improve, hopefully where they agree it is valid. Did anything change since then to this season?
Ya they definitely heard the message from him and others. Unfortunately not much has changed since last season. To my understanding most of the team tokk leave right after the game launched so development was effective stalled over the last month but I would say in the next 1-2 months we should see some major features getting added
Maybe Illuvium should make the ranger a bit like Link in Zelda. I kinda like the Zelda: Breath Of The Wild, how there are many activities for Link to do, in Hyrule. Maybe add some Dokas and Grokkos attacking you in Stage 3 Regions, etc. Making Illuvium a bit like the Zelda game could improve the it. Economically, I was in the opinion that the Testnet should have been longer, then launch the Mainnet Open Beta, way later, like in October or November, instead of July the 25th.
Someone else mentioned the Zelda Idea. I could see it working especially if we rework the way overworld works. Ya I am still upset about this launch. It hurt us bad...
didnt hear any mention as to the reason why i stopped playing and why i dont think it will rebound, its gauntlet, yes i understand makes arena more accessible, but make nfts from overworld a bit mute, but gauntlet sets a precedent that every game that illuvium add should have a free mode or face the complaint of "but you did it with gauntlet", with each free mode the overworld becomes more mute Game cost sould be more simplified as well, paying for a region and then having to pay for a different fuel to cure shards or fuse illuvials just feels like a tax on a tax on a tax, probably would have been better to just have one fuel instead of 3, then land owners could all contribute to the fuel supply instead of over complicating it
I feel like someone has rich notes about why there are three fuels and why they are harvested, and so on. Everywhere I look in this game, I see a richly finished room, and then walk into the unfinished basement with unpainted drywall and bare 2x4's. There's potential everywhere, and I'm still undecided about whether it was squandered ... or just unnecessarily complicated to begin with.
Ya I do hear others mentioning similar thoughts. The three fuels gets to me also. I feel like I always have excess of one then have to buy fuel just to fill up for the next action I take. I understand that it is supposed to gameify the land though and I do think that is important, but we need to determine if it is a net positive or not.
@@Polemos_io I think land would be fine if we sold to an "Overworld Refinery." Then OW players buy from the refinery "Overworld Energy" or whatever it gets called. Essentially, build an abstraction point there to simplify OW. Right now, we all know it is "coin operated," but taking 3 different kinds of coins really exacerbates that sense that this is a bottomless well we're throwing our wishing pennies into. It forces players to the marketplace up to 3x as often, which is a terrible, terrible experience.
Aktually for my mind, they Throw away Rewards without an end. For what since months, creators get tons of ILV ? for what such high Airdrop rewards through gaming..... etc etc etc. ..... They shoud stop to run it only with Crypto and play and earn features, into FOKUS game first. Rewards can be implemented through the ingame NFT, where the market decide dthe price. Best way not one ILV shoud be given away outside of stacking mechanisms. When give something then NFT and lets pay things with ILV. All have potential, but this money throw away end in nothing
That is a fair take. The airdrop and creator programs really haven't brought in much traffic. You would expect to see 10s of thousand of players pushing for these airdrop rewards. I wonder if we didn't have them? Would we have next to no player base or roughly the same.
All I know is that idea of brain storming the new game (battle royale) needs to put on hold indefinitely. And when the idea do come back around, they need to make simple addicting games that can be built in 6 months. Arcade style games, etc.
Other thing that would confuse people that I can agree with his take is, Im going in trying to play an overworld game, which I would equate to something like a open world type game. But everytime I try to catch something Im thrown into a auto-battler game which I might not even be interested in. Runs in overworld is a pretty much glorified pack opening, making it with more layered complexity does not help.
@@Polemos_io Yaa I fee like auto battler has its place, but not as a mini game inside overworld when ppl are just trying to catch illuvials. They will take their captured illuviuals to go play in a arena or in overworld if they are dueling someone. It makes very less sense if they are doing a auto battler style game when catching illuvials.
Great video. Some criticism's are unfair, but most need to be seriously looked at. I think that having a real story line that is discovered through the 7 continents will be really important. I do feel as if a Henry (Nuno Kuni) or a Link (Zelda) combined experience will be necessary to have this be more than just a capture auto battler and provide stickiness. Also, an auto battler is great, but more niche than I was hoping for an immersive OW that tied in the three games. Thank you for the hard work! Continue moving forward.
Ya would love to have aspects from those games implemented in OW. As much as I love the autobattler, but in my videos there are always comments complaining about it. Excited to see how they will adapt.
And why do you think that? I agree and I believe it's because the story and lore were immersive enough to keep us attached even through bad graphics and gameplay.
I have Tier 1, 2, and 3 land. Ever since they nerfed the land output it really decentivized me from playing. I'm still rooting for the game to be successful, but they need to make a lot of changes which will take time. I'll be waiting on the sidelines and hoping that they implement good updates.
If they can manage to run this game in my potato cellphone like axie, it may have a chance, but right now you need a mid range of pc atleast to play this game, then the question is why would I play this instead of playing great games like read dead redemption 2, elden ring, or heck dota, Fortnite?
Valid comment all around. I don't think this game will get good mobile traction in the near future but gameplay could and should improve to match that of other quality games of the same level
They provided the full game free to play on testnet and only 28k ppl showed up... why did they think when ppl had to pay for the game that the number will be factors of magnitude greater? Esp when there were no difference from testnet vs. mainnet
Because these NFTs are real now. They feel almost tangible. I love the extra immersion owning my assets feel. Just like skins in CS:go. Love it. We just need to have use cases for them.
Early investor here, and several plots of land owner too...with tears... I 1000% agree , we got F'd... I really questioned their launch timing and not sure if it was voted by Dao or what not... but launching an incomplete game I thought was suicide in the gaming world... what the hell... the criticism was brutal from the other video but much NEEDED! The dev team should not sugar coat anything and realize if criticism like that can come than somethings way way off and needs to be addressed. Man the quote. "Oh yea after my 9 to 5 job I'm going to come home and play Illuvium..." F... this one hurts the most and I can even defend that... and just smh and agree... im not much of a gamer but it seems in the gaming world tons of gamers have short attention spans cause time is valuable and if u don't have it first shot... "death"... ppl move on and rarely come back and give a second chance cause of the Trauma experience they had the first time... man need to stop being stubborn with auzzie or western mentality and go global, definitely eastern too... image, creativity, story... miles ahead of the rest of the world... 😢
Ya the second opinion was rough to hear and at points I actually laughed with them...because of how bad some aspects were. Sad to see for sure. Really apprciate the comment. There is still hope and the base can become something great!
I'm not sure there's even that much debt. I see "scaffolding." I see 2x4's and unpainted drywall. I feel like there a grand vision, somewhere, but maybe it was all too complicated to begin with. 3 fuels. 3 games. All supposedly interlinked with blockchain. To me, it just screams, "More than we can chew." There are some obvious places they need to make updates, but I think those are dwarfed by the parts of it they need to touch for the very first time.
A lot of these games will be niche and fun and that is absolutely fine. People always have larger than life expectations and that will more often than not result in disappointment. If you have roi in your minds you need to go elsewhere because that is not what games are for even if they have p2e or are expensive.
Valid comment through and through. I know a lot of people who were planning to quit their jobs to play. But even for that to be possible there has to be people who lose money. Whether that is through skill or RNG.
Ya if you want to collect everything it can be expensive. But it doesn't have to be. You can get everything buy slowing working your way up from a free to play account. Its obviously a MUCH longer grind but possible to even earn some profit.
Im bastly sad coz im hating how this guys make the game. Normal ppl can make his family go bankrupt just to play this game. There are tons of games web2 better than ilv. Part of this game us economy and the chance to earn. Im here since 2021 and probably i lost most of my money on every invest i did in this game. Devs making life earning. The only thing i win in this game is the free airdrop. And i dont want to mention lands. ...
It’s expensive game + as a gamer when i play this game i feel i am disconnected from the world . No other players you can meet in-game even the chat in arena not working so it’s like playing offline games 😢
Ya I understand this feeling. It needs to have a better multiplayer connection or a story and Lore that can keep us immersed as if it was a really good single player RPG. I hope they work on these quickly and optimally get solutions that work for both player bases.
Thanks for the support! I really do wonder if he was paid(maybe even by labs) to fud the game. It causes discussion and hell his video brought in 100's of thousands of eyeballs on the game. Pretty wild actually. Also makes Content creators like me make videos to react to it.
Hype videos and doom videos need to be taken with a grain of salt. This guy obviously gets attention trashing Illuvium. Not saying aome points have 0 validity but they are so exaggerated they are irrelevant.
@@torial2249 Very true. Obviously he is just trying to farm engagement by being as doom as possible. We know it is in a lot better position than he mentions
would love for you to checkout Champions Arena brother,maybe review it. I think it is an awesome game and I cover it in case you don’t know where to go to find content.
Thanks for the suggestion I have actually started playing other web3 games again. Will have a gods unchained and off the grid videos in the near future. I may look into champions arena after that
Ya that is sad to hear, but you are not the only one. I would suggest holding off for a couple months and come back. Hopefully they have a lot more features then that would make this game enjoyable for you. Hope to see you around.
The thing you don't understand... this has high-fidelity graphics, even with an art style I don't find very appealing (reminds me of 80s tech), so the target group is gamers with a at least a moderate rig. Who in his right mind would choose a phone game over the billions of really, really good games without all the bolted on capitalist stuff. I don't know who the target demographic is supposed to be here but if it was my development team I'd surely hit the panic button yesterday.
Thats fair I'm sure there are lots of team members who are concerned, but they are pushing through. To some players(including me) The ownership of the illuvials, weapons ect actually adds a higher level of immersion. And Trust me I have played a lot of games. Yes the gameplay needs work but a game that gets the economy and gameplay right will be explosive and this project is the closest I have seen
@@Polemos_io I honestly liked their original plan before which is to make a teamfight tactics game but they started to deviate and add other games. Imo, they should have focused on one game instead of spreading it to diff types. The focus was lost and quality overall is impacted. The same thing happened to Splinterlands. They started making new games/projects, took off focus on building the main game and now its in a dire situation of survival. I just hope the Illuvium team can work it out on their end. I'm sure they're doing what they can to succeed.
Itd be a lie to suggest you can have "weak" illuvials and expect to top the ladder. That being said, skill matters greatly. I am yet to find this skill - I think I lost it somewhere.
As of now The ascendant arena could be won just by buying the best illuvials and Knowing the exact build order and placement. You could get pretty high off of that. Then add a little skill and you can take rank 1 In gauntlet leviathan mode. I'm not sure but imagine it will have an even larger impact, but you will need more skill also.
Ya big bag holder for sure. But I actually sold higher and rebough at the bottom. I still see the vision. Youa re right though. Unless it can improve crypto gaming could die
I think it's good that the game was released. The advantage is that we can listen to the opinion of each player while remembering one thing. The game is simply not for everyone and there is no point in listening to a group of people to whom it is not addressed at all. You can see ratings on epic game by people who understand what it is and at what stage it is and play it. 4.7/5 stars
That is completely true! It is really important for the community council and DAO to be able to decipher between loud-non contributing parasites and the true core gamers that play this game. Thanks for pointing out the epic games rating I had not seen that.
yea i dont think you really think too far here, they are making this game into a crypto whale degen game with a micro audience. While stating since the start they were aiming for mainstream and to break down the barriers of web3 to web2. Think about that and then what they are doing and realize how silly your comment is.
@@Polemos_io thanks, didn't see it the first time... and Caveman, man... it was hard to see your sad face in this video, let's see what the team will say... at least we know they listen
@@Synmbios 100% I am still optimistic! There is so much with this IP. We can do many cool games/modes. We just need to find one that sticks before we run out of money 🙂
You compare Illuvium with Fortnite as in how a shitty concept can become great. Fortnite is one of tens of thousands of games that could have failed badly, and it's the ONE game of those bad games that survived by a huge change of mechanics. The idea that Illuvium would also take that route, that's ridiculous. There is nothing that indicates this. No, Illuvium will have a slow death from here on.
That is a possibility. However they still have runways and can iterate a few times. I am concerned as Epic had a lot more money and runway and players to start with.
While that is true for some players, it's not the same for everyone. I persoanlly have spent thousands because I want a really good team to be competitive in tournaments. My vanity for leaderboard ranking is pushing me lol I think a crypto game can work IF it is actually fun. I do find the arena in illuvium fun and have hope that it will do well
Bringing Raygun into the comments 😆 I can't say I'm not invested, but I support because I see and felt something that is actually exciting something that could making gaming more fun.
the game plays like crap. graphics being good while true any game these days have good graphics due to UE5. that aside the gameplay loop is boring af. only players would be degens and brain rot individuals. being this far along and still hitting the mark, idk wouldnt be surprised if it becomes a dead game before end of next year. Probably wont happen I see them most likely selling more NFTs of some kind to raise money on more promises or hopes and dreams.
They have runway till next year, so I think it will make it into 2025. But there is the potential it could fade away. I do have to say the arena can be strategic stimulating, they just need to adjust a few functions and balance the game. It can find an audiance im sure.
First commentary from the entire community (and team) which is level headed, non defensive, addressing real points rather than ad hominem, and above all honest. Thankyou for this.
Thanks Crystal for the Support. Wish you the best
I think that the criticism is very valid across the board. I fear the 10 month runway will not even come close to getting back on track. With how incredibly slow the progression has come from Illuvium it means they will try and raise funds again but who would want to invest in a project that has had so little revenue or frivolously throws around funds for no reason. I would recommend change in leadership personally. If this happened in a traditional company the board would be looking for a new CEO immediately.
Spicy take, but based.
2 things that could be noted:
1.) Axie infinity only had 10's of thousands in revenue during their first few months. So illuvium is ahead of them(with that being said illuvium also raised a lot more capital and has MUCH higher expectations)
2.) What studio/leadership could we reach out to? Even if we wanted to changed them, who would want to touch this game. Traditional studio heads will see it as radioactive cause its crypto. If someone qualified stood up and stated they wanted to take over, maybe there could be a discussion around it.
@@Polemos_io Axies time was so long ago and built itself on a completely different set of ideals than Illuvium. Look at Axie today, they have dumped so much money into revamping their game and creating a next generation version of itself that it never realized it was so out date and antiquated that its success came off of profitability and first mover advantage. Comparing ourselves to dinosaurs is not how we evolve, its how we trick ourselves into complacency of success. If I compare myself to a caveman I can plead that I am far superior in every way possible, it doesnt help me become a better person of today.
As for who would you reach out to, thats a feat I fear would be very humbling. The funding and hype around Illuvium has turned it into a potential beacon of hope for Web3 gaming and a closer look on the balance sheet and books will tell a completely different story. At this point your best bet is to find another web3 company or a web2 company who isnt opposed to web3 viewpoints who would want to carry this torch. A lot of analytics are going to be involved in what it will take to right the ship and to tell a story of how it can turn from an unprofitable liability into a player magnet.
At the end of the day it pains me as an investor and an avid gamer to see something I had hoped would be so successful fall to ruin. Big names such as Illuvium, star atlas and Shrapnel are pillars of our evolution of gaming in the web3 environment and any of them failing to deliver shutters across the entire ecosystem, this is the time gamers and game devs should be uniting more than ever.
One of my biggest pieces of criticism is the ambition of Illuvium who wanted to create three amazing games that created a economic and entertainment feedback loop before they even created 1 amazing game that was playable. Hindsight though right?
I'm not sure I would take out the founders. Losing the original vision tends to kill a company outright. That said, some experienced hands below them that have a history of delivering on features in an Agile environment seems like a critical "must have," at this point. Where is the backlog? Where is the burndown? The output feels like a company driven by the latest whim of the leadership or DAO, but that's not how good software is made. (It is 100% how bad software is made.)
I think a get well plan should include some folks experienced with turnarounds and software release management. There's probably a lot of energy on the Dev staff getting wasted chasing the "idea of the day" instead of "what can we deliver this season or this sprint?"
This is a beautiful ambitious project, they are just getting started with the ecosystem and need more time to refine. Not sure why some people want it to fail so badly.
Exactly! There is so much potential here. Just needs time. It will succeed.
Rugging
Region bosses are desperately needed.
That would be interesting. Especially if we could work with a team of rangers
Ive had a lot of fun playing both land and overworld. This is a beta. Im bullish on ILV
Hold Ranger! We will make it!
Pertinent analyse, congrats !!!
I have the same feeling at the end of Jauwn video when the Web 2 guy gives a chance of improving later on but I think definitely they should take the right steps
Ya there is a lot of work to de done in the next couple months, but there is something here!
The first big crypto game will be one that has crypto as an optional feature. I don't want to make taxable events by selling what I earn in stage 0 to fund higher level access. This project is new to me, so I could be misinterpreting it.
That is a fair take. I'm horrified by the accounting I have to do right now. But its all losses as of now 🤣😅😭 I"m optimistic I'll turn it around though 😉
Really enjoyed this video. Spot on too, Keep up the awesome work as always brother. Gained yourself a new sub!
Hey Thanks! Really appreciate it. Look forward to playing illuvium and other games with you.
I liked all Illuvium games... Arena, Overworld and Zero, but unfortunately the prices are INSANELY HIGH, and the promises that you can generate revenue with the game are not true. You can play free stages and get NFTs, but nobody is buying it. Really disagree that you can finance your own grow without putting any money. But since I've got something from the airdrop, I will use for playing higher stages. And not just the fuel, but everything you will forge from higher stages requires other consumables. The captures attempting failing with a shard that you paid real money for it is kind of disrespectful for me.
I just really don't know why his graphic card is suffering so much. I have a 4060 and is running very smooth, with 90-140 FPS and the card is working between 60-70% core use. Graphics is one under the max.
I know Soda(guy doing the Free to play account), hates the shard fails. Back when shards were indestructible, he felt the game was a lot better off. The earning potential will always drop t the economic level of the poorest country. I had a couple scholars that put in over 660 hours in testnet. and got over 25ilv, but they sold their soul to grind out the game to perfect efficiency.
I wonder if there is anyway to regionalize the game. I just don't know how to get around vpn's
Ohh nice to hear the 40 series are doing well! My 3080 works well most of the time but still crash from time to time. I'm sure they will keep improving.
just play another game , dont wast your money
@@og8451 That is a fair take
@Polemos he didn't say 'features don't change', he said 'CORE features don't change'. Which is correct, assuming Illuvium is using the word Beta correctly.
Appreciate the comment, but they have already announced major changes and even leaked some of them like combat in the overworld. It will be more like a hack and slash action rpg eventually. Maybe "BETA" is not the word, but other games have made large changed as well
@@Polemos_io It's true Betas can turn into something else. This is a clear sign that the project has failed in some aspect though. If you take the Fortnite example, they
changed the game completely and made a restructure and changed the name from Save the World to just Fortnite. - A completely new game.
Best investment for the time being, this game is fun to play, especially if you are an adult who enjoys Pokémon.
People just complain because they want to get money out of the game without spending penny.
They are calculating ROI while playing and are not enjoying the game.
They are unaware that the best prize in this game is airdrops.
Ya very interested to see how the airdrop unfolds. I do think people will have expectations high. Hopefully not expecting 1000's of dollars in rewards
Really well made video. Ive loved your quality over quantity approach. Keep em coming 💪🏼
Thanks really appreciate your comment! I still need to increase my output. I have been a little slow since the launch, but will start picking the speed up in the coming weeks as we get closer to launching our services.
Thanks caveman! Love your videos and information!
Thanks for the continued support!
The real problems comes after you play alot. Im tired of getting craft erros. I had so many craft and fuel buy erros, that i cant even track anymore. With that, i lose money, time, airdrop points and get stressed out.
To not talk about the amount of bots that are causing this issue. In beta they said they would remove all cheaters, and give back the points to those who farmed fairly. They ended up just holding those $ILV.
What i get by this: they have bno criterias, and can change mind pretty quickly. I wonder how many cheaters there bleeding the game and they cant do nothing, because the amount of points that they supressed from beta is so small that even by rank inference, you can say it.
In beta we were only losing time and sirdrop points, now we are also losing money. AND THEY ARE NOT BEING CLEAR ABOUT THAT, LOOKS LIKE THEY ARE HIDDING THE PROBLEMS
Your comment is bringing up emotions I suppressed 😱
I had multiple accounts at the beginning because I was running a big guild operation to get the #1 ids. And I have several scholars who lost stuff due to bugs. I have no way of tracking it....Super sad and there is no way to track it all. It's just impossible there is also no way they are going to go back and check every account. They really need to fix those errors. I haven't experienced any fails in a few weeks. But i did just see the announcement earlier this week that it was happening again...really sad.
You better know that I hate the bots and people abusing the wave 40 milestone. I wrote an IIP to remove ALL those points. Still waiting to hear back how they will handle it.
Bro they Manipulated Airdrop and they have GOD MODE ! this game is like Casino but whit no chance to win something
Just the sheer volume of cost to play caused me to not join at all in the Public. Land, the actual tokens, all of it has not been worth it IMO. Played the testnet, cause it was free. But i wont waste any more money on it. Played 68 hours and a few holos, earned .6 tokens in points, exciting return on my time. The other thing i found, was it was just the same thing over and over with brutal random encounter modifiers the higher you go.
Ya totally fair statement. Honestly it was probably best you didn't pay yet. Fuel prices and patches have changed the yield output substantially(even in the last week). I think they are noticing that there was a substantial drop from testnet to here. I imagine they will try to find a model that works better. I will mention that I haven't seen any game do well on the "Earn" factor. As long as a game can be played globally. The earning potential will always drop to the economic level of the poorest country. I had a couple scholars that put in over 660 hours in testnet. and got over 25ilv, but they sold their soul to grind out the game to perfect efficiency.
I wonder if there is anyway to regionalize the game. I just don't know how to get around vpn's
Fair and balanced discussion IMO
Thanks for the comment Dreathrowboat 🎂
The cinematic makes it look like a shooter game, I showed it to my non web2 cousins. They asked if the game is similar to Halo or something. There are amazing illuvials, we literally saw 2 in the cinematic. No indication that its a monster catching game.
Ohhh that is a totally fair take that I haven't thought of. You are totally right they need to show the capture sequence in the cinematic somewhere.
@@Polemos_io Doesnt even have to capture sequence. Like One of the main selling point Illuvium pushed was Its Pokemon for adults with amazingly made detailed creatures. And did not even showcase them. Like huge proud roaming Mah'mut, running and disappearing dash, the majesting and alluring Adorius. Like if i was just getting into illuvium I wouldnt even know its monster catching game with that trailer. Let alone know, they have these majestic creatures. Take LOL trailers for example. All literally all of them focuses the story around their champions. A story told around them yes, but not just showing off how they look or what their powers are like but show them in a way they feel alive living in a world.
I like the criticisms because that would make the game better: fail fast! That way you improve faster. Some of the arguments here are very valid. Most of them actually. We just need to make this get to the developers so that they understand what they need to improve, hopefully where they agree it is valid.
Did anything change since then to this season?
Ya they definitely heard the message from him and others. Unfortunately not much has changed since last season. To my understanding most of the team tokk leave right after the game launched so development was effective stalled over the last month but I would say in the next 1-2 months we should see some major features getting added
ILV is the Most playable crypto Game of all time.
Lezz go ..,
This is true. Even with the "lack of features" I have been playing this game for the last 2 years
Maybe Illuvium should make the ranger a bit like Link in Zelda. I kinda like the Zelda: Breath Of The Wild, how there are many activities for Link to do, in Hyrule. Maybe add some Dokas and Grokkos attacking you in Stage 3 Regions, etc. Making Illuvium a bit like the Zelda game could improve the it.
Economically, I was in the opinion that the Testnet should have been longer, then launch the Mainnet Open Beta, way later, like in October or November, instead of July the 25th.
Someone else mentioned the Zelda Idea. I could see it working especially if we rework the way overworld works.
Ya I am still upset about this launch. It hurt us bad...
didnt hear any mention as to the reason why i stopped playing and why i dont think it will rebound, its gauntlet, yes i understand makes arena more accessible, but make nfts from overworld a bit mute, but gauntlet sets a precedent that every game that illuvium add should have a free mode or face the complaint of "but you did it with gauntlet", with each free mode the overworld becomes more mute
Game cost sould be more simplified as well, paying for a region and then having to pay for a different fuel to cure shards or fuse illuvials just feels like a tax on a tax on a tax, probably would have been better to just have one fuel instead of 3, then land owners could all contribute to the fuel supply instead of over complicating it
I feel like someone has rich notes about why there are three fuels and why they are harvested, and so on. Everywhere I look in this game, I see a richly finished room, and then walk into the unfinished basement with unpainted drywall and bare 2x4's. There's potential everywhere, and I'm still undecided about whether it was squandered ... or just unnecessarily complicated to begin with.
Ya I do hear others mentioning similar thoughts. The three fuels gets to me also. I feel like I always have excess of one then have to buy fuel just to fill up for the next action I take. I understand that it is supposed to gameify the land though and I do think that is important, but we need to determine if it is a net positive or not.
@@Polemos_io I think land would be fine if we sold to an "Overworld Refinery." Then OW players buy from the refinery "Overworld Energy" or whatever it gets called. Essentially, build an abstraction point there to simplify OW. Right now, we all know it is "coin operated," but taking 3 different kinds of coins really exacerbates that sense that this is a bottomless well we're throwing our wishing pennies into. It forces players to the marketplace up to 3x as often, which is a terrible, terrible experience.
Aktually for my mind, they Throw away Rewards without an end. For what since months, creators get tons of ILV ? for what such high Airdrop rewards through gaming..... etc etc etc. ..... They shoud stop to run it only with Crypto and play and earn features, into FOKUS game first. Rewards can be implemented through the ingame NFT, where the market decide dthe price.
Best way not one ILV shoud be given away outside of stacking mechanisms. When give something then NFT and lets pay things with ILV. All have potential, but this money throw away end in nothing
That is a fair take. The airdrop and creator programs really haven't brought in much traffic. You would expect to see 10s of thousand of players pushing for these airdrop rewards. I wonder if we didn't have them? Would we have next to no player base or roughly the same.
All I know is that idea of brain storming the new game (battle royale) needs to put on hold indefinitely. And when the idea do come back around, they need to make simple addicting games that can be built in 6 months. Arcade style games, etc.
When the first illuvium Game pitch jam happens I hope to see your proposal.
Other thing that would confuse people that I can agree with his take is, Im going in trying to play an overworld game, which I would equate to something like a open world type game. But everytime I try to catch something Im thrown into a auto-battler game which I might not even be interested in. Runs in overworld is a pretty much glorified pack opening, making it with more layered complexity does not help.
I do hear this a lot. I imagine when they convert the combat to a more action RPG these will resolve a lot of this complaints
@@Polemos_io Yaa I fee like auto battler has its place, but not as a mini game inside overworld when ppl are just trying to catch illuvials. They will take their captured illuviuals to go play in a arena or in overworld if they are dueling someone. It makes very less sense if they are doing a auto battler style game when catching illuvials.
Great video. Some criticism's are unfair, but most need to be seriously looked at. I think that having a real story line that is discovered through the 7 continents will be really important. I do feel as if a Henry (Nuno Kuni) or a Link (Zelda) combined experience will be necessary to have this be more than just a capture auto battler and provide stickiness. Also, an auto battler is great, but more niche than I was hoping for an immersive OW that tied in the three games. Thank you for the hard work! Continue moving forward.
Ya would love to have aspects from those games implemented in OW. As much as I love the autobattler, but in my videos there are always comments complaining about it. Excited to see how they will adapt.
classic games still stand out among the new games
And why do you think that?
I agree and I believe it's because the story and lore were immersive enough to keep us attached even through bad graphics and gameplay.
I have Tier 1, 2, and 3 land. Ever since they nerfed the land output it really decentivized me from playing. I'm still rooting for the game to be successful, but they need to make a lot of changes which will take time. I'll be waiting on the sidelines and hoping that they implement good updates.
Ya I feel you there. Lot's of updates would make that impactful. I really wish we had some raids in that game.
If they can manage to run this game in my potato cellphone like axie, it may have a chance, but right now you need a mid range of pc atleast to play this game, then the question is why would I play this instead of playing great games like read dead redemption 2, elden ring, or heck dota, Fortnite?
Valid comment all around. I don't think this game will get good mobile traction in the near future but gameplay could and should improve to match that of other quality games of the same level
They provided the full game free to play on testnet and only 28k ppl showed up... why did they think when ppl had to pay for the game that the number will be factors of magnitude greater? Esp when there were no difference from testnet vs. mainnet
Because these NFTs are real now. They feel almost tangible. I love the extra immersion owning my assets feel. Just like skins in CS:go. Love it. We just need to have use cases for them.
Early investor here, and several plots of land owner too...with tears... I 1000% agree , we got F'd... I really questioned their launch timing and not sure if it was voted by Dao or what not... but launching an incomplete game I thought was suicide in the gaming world... what the hell... the criticism was brutal from the other video but much NEEDED! The dev team should not sugar coat anything and realize if criticism like that can come than somethings way way off and needs to be addressed. Man the quote. "Oh yea after my 9 to 5 job I'm going to come home and play Illuvium..." F... this one hurts the most and I can even defend that... and just smh and agree... im not much of a gamer but it seems in the gaming world tons of gamers have short attention spans cause time is valuable and if u don't have it first shot... "death"... ppl move on and rarely come back and give a second chance cause of the Trauma experience they had the first time... man need to stop being stubborn with auzzie or western mentality and go global, definitely eastern too... image, creativity, story... miles ahead of the rest of the world... 😢
"Early investor here"/"im not much of a gamer".
Just some hints here.
Ya the second opinion was rough to hear and at points I actually laughed with them...because of how bad some aspects were. Sad to see for sure. Really apprciate the comment. There is still hope and the base can become something great!
It's called tech debt lol
I'm not sure there's even that much debt. I see "scaffolding." I see 2x4's and unpainted drywall. I feel like there a grand vision, somewhere, but maybe it was all too complicated to begin with. 3 fuels. 3 games. All supposedly interlinked with blockchain. To me, it just screams, "More than we can chew." There are some obvious places they need to make updates, but I think those are dwarfed by the parts of it they need to touch for the very first time.
I have heard both 😅
wen Jauwn and Caveman talking 1on1 about web3 gaming
Dude I would love to chat with him and get his feedback on web3 gaming!
Great video. Keep up the good work.
Thanks really appreciate the comment
Most of the problems are being addressed, let's see in 6 months
Ya excited to see where the game will be in 6 months!
important to hear critiques....and also to address them
Yes, you are totally right. I feel for the most part they have been perception to feedback. But the solutions just haven't quite worked yet.
Thanks man'. Keep the good work ❤🙏💪
I appreciate the comment and will keep doing my best! Sorry for the delayed response your comment snuck through.
Cheers
@@napoleonwilson155 Thanks for the comment!
A lot of these games will be niche and fun and that is absolutely fine. People always have larger than life expectations and that will more often than not result in disappointment. If you have roi in your minds you need to go elsewhere because that is not what games are for even if they have p2e or are expensive.
Valid comment through and through. I know a lot of people who were planning to quit their jobs to play. But even for that to be possible there has to be people who lose money. Whether that is through skill or RNG.
Expensive game + long time to grind . Missed all axie days
Ya if you want to collect everything it can be expensive. But it doesn't have to be. You can get everything buy slowing working your way up from a free to play account. Its obviously a MUCH longer grind but possible to even earn some profit.
Im bastly sad coz im hating how this guys make the game. Normal ppl can make his family go bankrupt just to play this game. There are tons of games web2 better than ilv. Part of this game us economy and the chance to earn.
Im here since 2021 and probably i lost most of my money on every invest i did in this game. Devs making life earning. The only thing i win in this game is the free airdrop. And i dont want to mention lands. ...
Right there with you...Still deep in the red. But I can feel it. There is something here. They just need to get it right
It’s expensive game + as a gamer when i play this game i feel i am disconnected from the world . No other players you can meet in-game even the chat in arena not working so it’s like playing offline games 😢
Ya I understand this feeling. It needs to have a better multiplayer connection or a story and Lore that can keep us immersed as if it was a really good single player RPG. I hope they work on these quickly and optimally get solutions that work for both player bases.
game is crap
Love your content fam! 💪💪
Who's that giving bad impression about Illuvium? Looks like a hater or paid fudder
Thanks for the support! I really do wonder if he was paid(maybe even by labs) to fud the game. It causes discussion and hell his video brought in 100's of thousands of eyeballs on the game. Pretty wild actually. Also makes Content creators like me make videos to react to it.
Hype videos and doom videos need to be taken with a grain of salt. This guy obviously gets attention trashing Illuvium. Not saying aome points have 0 validity but they are so exaggerated they are irrelevant.
@@torial2249 Very true. Obviously he is just trying to farm engagement by being as doom as possible. We know it is in a lot better position than he mentions
Actually dota is still in BETa
Is it still?!?! Man that game has been out for years! Thanks for the comment
would love for you to checkout Champions Arena brother,maybe review it. I think it is an awesome game and I cover it in case you don’t know where to go to find content.
Thanks for the suggestion I have actually started playing other web3 games again. Will have a gods unchained and off the grid videos in the near future. I may look into champions arena after that
beautiful graphics, but I am not enjoying the game
Ya that is sad to hear, but you are not the only one. I would suggest holding off for a couple months and come back. Hopefully they have a lot more features then that would make this game enjoyable for you. Hope to see you around.
I turn down the watts on my gpu 3070
I should probably do that...my comp is struggling bad..
The thing you don't understand... this has high-fidelity graphics, even with an art style I don't find very appealing (reminds me of 80s tech), so the target group is gamers with a at least a moderate rig. Who in his right mind would choose a phone game over the billions of really, really good games without all the bolted on capitalist stuff. I don't know who the target demographic is supposed to be here but if it was my development team I'd surely hit the panic button yesterday.
Thats fair I'm sure there are lots of team members who are concerned, but they are pushing through. To some players(including me) The ownership of the illuvials, weapons ect actually adds a higher level of immersion. And Trust me I have played a lot of games. Yes the gameplay needs work but a game that gets the economy and gameplay right will be explosive and this project is the closest I have seen
Anyone has the link to the video is is reffering to?
My apologies, I have uploaded both links in the description.
pretty much summed it up nicely on the first 10 seconds of this video.
Appreciate the comment. Sad to hear you are not a fan.
@@Polemos_io I honestly liked their original plan before which is to make a teamfight tactics game but they started to deviate and add other games. Imo, they should have focused on one game instead of spreading it to diff types. The focus was lost and quality overall is impacted. The same thing happened to Splinterlands. They started making new games/projects, took off focus on building the main game and now its in a dire situation of survival. I just hope the Illuvium team can work it out on their end. I'm sure they're doing what they can to succeed.
The games too repeatable
Just random encounter in 3 same map. Sadly the gas is annoying. It like need to buy pokeball in pokemon games
Fair takes. It can drag on pretty quick
Can i just buy good illuvials and win in the leviathan mode? Or is it purely based on skill?
Itd be a lie to suggest you can have "weak" illuvials and expect to top the ladder. That being said, skill matters greatly. I am yet to find this skill - I think I lost it somewhere.
As of now The ascendant arena could be won just by buying the best illuvials and Knowing the exact build order and placement. You could get pretty high off of that. Then add a little skill and you can take rank 1
In gauntlet leviathan mode. I'm not sure but imagine it will have an even larger impact, but you will need more skill also.
@@deathr0wboat1 Lol "yet to find the skill" 😆
You are likely a bag holder. That is the most hyped crypto game ever. Lets be honest, crypto gaming as is will not make it at the moment
Ya big bag holder for sure. But I actually sold higher and rebough at the bottom. I still see the vision. Youa re right though. Unless it can improve crypto gaming could die
I think it's good that the game was released. The advantage is that we can listen to the opinion of each player while remembering one thing. The game is simply not for everyone and there is no point in listening to a group of people to whom it is not addressed at all. You can see ratings on epic game by people who understand what it is and at what stage it is and play it.
4.7/5 stars
That is completely true! It is really important for the community council and DAO to be able to decipher between loud-non contributing parasites and the true core gamers that play this game. Thanks for pointing out the epic games rating I had not seen that.
yea i dont think you really think too far here, they are making this game into a crypto whale degen game with a micro audience. While stating since the start they were aiming for mainstream and to break down the barriers of web3 to web2. Think about that and then what they are doing and realize how silly your comment is.
@@gg05irgm It's just another crypto bro copium.
good work
Thank you! Cheers!
Where can I find the "critique" video that Caveman is commenting on?
You can find it in the description 😃
@@Polemos_io thanks, didn't see it the first time... and Caveman, man... it was hard to see your sad face in this video, let's see what the team will say... at least we know they listen
@@Synmbios 100% I am still optimistic! There is so much with this IP. We can do many cool games/modes. We just need to find one that sticks before we run out of money 🙂
@@Polemos_io "just" .... lmao
Beard's looking great mate
Awe shucks 👉👈 Thanks 😄
You compare Illuvium with Fortnite as in how a shitty concept can become great. Fortnite is one of tens of thousands of games that could have failed badly, and it's the ONE game of those bad games that survived by a huge change of mechanics.
The idea that Illuvium would also take that route, that's ridiculous. There is nothing that indicates this.
No, Illuvium will have a slow death from here on.
That is a possibility. However they still have runways and can iterate a few times. I am concerned as Epic had a lot more money and runway and players to start with.
Crypto game is an oxymoron, that's why they fail. Nobody is playing to "have fun", everyone is fighting to make money.
While that is true for some players, it's not the same for everyone. I persoanlly have spent thousands because I want a really good team to be competitive in tournaments. My vanity for leaderboard ranking is pushing me lol
I think a crypto game can work IF it is actually fun. I do find the arena in illuvium fun and have hope that it will do well
$copi
Not sure what this means? Is it a meme token or something?
Atleast clearly link the video from which you made the content from
It's in the description just below the times stamps
Actually RAYGUN > illuvium ( ILV IS CRAP ) 4 YEARS FOR THIS GAME xaxaxaxaxa u over invested , and now trying to shill your bag to new nobs
Bringing Raygun into the comments 😆
I can't say I'm not invested, but I support because I see and felt something that is actually exciting something that could making gaming more fun.
the game plays like crap. graphics being good while true any game these days have good graphics due to UE5. that aside the gameplay loop is boring af. only players would be degens and brain rot individuals. being this far along and still hitting the mark, idk wouldnt be surprised if it becomes a dead game before end of next year. Probably wont happen I see them most likely selling more NFTs of some kind to raise money on more promises or hopes and dreams.
They have runway till next year, so I think it will make it into 2025. But there is the potential it could fade away.
I do have to say the arena can be strategic stimulating, they just need to adjust a few functions and balance the game. It can find an audiance im sure.