"Is this all real, or is it happening inside my head?" "Of course it's happening inside your head, Harry. Why should that mean that it's not real?" These couple of lines basically sum up reading Harry Potter books for me. Harry Potter will always be real to me.
Jennifer Ashley These words are more about confirming the truth about a simple fact: "Harry Potter" is not real itself. The boy is only dilusionnal, broken by mental illness and living in a fantastic world inside his head. If you read about the author, you'll realise that she's engaged into charity for children in mental institues. All the harry potter thing is just about a boy driven mad and everything happening in the story are parralels.
crazysam871 lol you are not about to sit here and try to explain Harry Potter to ME. HP has been a part of my life for 8 years now and I know most of what is left to know about him/it. I know very well about the author. & no, Harry Potter WAS "real", it wasn't just a mentally ill boy believing that all those things were happening inside his head. Go rain on someone else's parade who isn't a die-hard Harry Potter fan.
"of COURSE this is all happening in your head harry... why should that mean , its not real?" Dumbledore: Understanding Quantum Mechanics better than anyone.
If you can watch this and say Michael Gambon didn't make a good Dumbledore you're clearly just being bias towards Richard Harris. Gambon did a fantastic job of portraying all of Dumbledores qualities. His manipulation, his power, and most of all his wisdom. Thank you Gambon.
@@rockmasthat’s actually more on the director than the actor because the director is supposed to explain what emotion a character is going through. So, the director would have shot the scene multiple times and could have given a different direction. - words from a film student
Harry: Professor! Is this all real? Or is it just happening inside my head? Dumbledore: Of course it's happening inside your head, Harry. But why should that mean it is not real? I love this line so much.
+Gerardo Montalvo I love it too, It's easily the line I remember the most from that book, then in the movie theatre when I heard Harry ask the question I knew exactly what Dumbledore was going to say before he responded. It was awesome.
+Gerardo Montalvo Me too. It's the first sentence that's usually 'dissapointing' ('it's happening inside your head') a.k.a. forget about it, it's not real. But then the next one proves that it was worth remembering and that what you felt when he said all this, was 'real.'
When Dumbledore said ''Of course this happens in your head'' everyone sighed in the cinema, without knowing Dumbledore meant it ironicly. This was real and in the book he asked Harry if he wanted to get back and proceed the fight or go with him in the ''light world''..
That was never in the book. In the book Harry simply asked Dumbledore where he would go if he boarded the train. The answer was "On." This was real, and it wasn't. In the same way the world is real, until you go to sleep, and dreams are real, until you wake up. As Dumbledore said, it was "his Party." Meaning his reality, his dream, his fiction, his whatever-you-want-call-it. This means that whether it was real or not, it was Harry's experience, Dumbledore was simply a manifestion of questions Harry wanted answering, and things Harry needed to hear.
***** I agree with everything you said, but it does have me wondering: if this is all inside Harry's head, being his fiction, his dream, how does he have a choice between coming back or moving on? By Harry's perception of the question(Is this in my head?), and by Dumbledore's answer(Of course it is.), we are led to believe that this is, in fact, not real, up until the moment Dumbledore says: "Why should that mean that it's not real?". And while it may be real in Harry's mind, how does that give him a choice? To sum up, was Harry doomed to come back or did he really have the possibility to let his body die if he wanted to? And how could he have that possibility if it was all in his head (real, but not real, as you said)?
Filipe Baião You'll never know that, it could be or maybe it wasn't. When JK Rowling was asked about this she gave a vague answer and didn't really say yes or no, it could have been all Harry's imagination and Dumbeldore never really met with him. Or it could have been what all Wizards go through, remember that Sir Nicholas tells Harry all magical people get a choice, move on into the afterlife or remain as a ghost. This was Harry's time to choose, except that his body was not killed because of the Elder wand and Voldemort's soul piece. So Harry had a choice of afterlife or back to his body.
Filipe Baião He had the choice of coming back, or going "on". But the question wasn't asked by Harry's consciousness, not was it answered by the imaginary Dumbledore. The question was his body, asking his heart and mind, if it's time to stop, if that's enough, or if the impending doom can be repelled. This is very similar to when real life people are in freak accidents, and have brain trauma or are in bleed out. The body asks the heart, is that it? Have you had enough? Most people who have survived a near death experience will talk of the fight to stay wake, because they know if they sleep, its over. The Dumbledore/Harry conversation is just a metaphor for a dying persons conversation between mind and body.
0:47 It's hard to imagine, but Voldemort, after being killed for good, is forced to stay in that form without being able to move, talk and regain his powers, unless someone manages to reach that dimension and take him back (which is supposedly improbable for the next hundred of years). He's like in Hell, although a passive one.
Do you see that little corpse under the bench? That's his soul in a physical form, albeit weak and plagued by years of evil deeds and curses. In Harry Potter's universe, souls can't be destroyed, just like energy. As Voldemort died, the only place in which his soul could stay was inside that Limbo, thus having a fate worse than death.
"You were the Horcrux he never meant to make" And then, suddenly: "I have to go back, haven't I?" This conversation was supposed to be the most important part of this entire series, and totally should've lasted another 5 minutes or so.
+Christian Maracle Yeah, my biggest gripe about Deathly Hallows part 2 was it's one film that's significantly too short. Felt like they went the cliff-notes version of Return of the King, "Hey, we can do that film in under half the time. Doesn't matter we skimp over the build up and resonation of every scene, we need as many screenings as possible."
I may be in the minority, and Im not at all saying that Michael Gambon is a bad Dumbledore, but I feel like this would have been SUCH a better scene with Richard Harris. Because when I read the book, I swear to god I can hear his voice in my head like in the first two movies, and I start to tear up when Dumbledore begs for Harry's forgiveness.
"Is this all real? Or is it just happening inside of my head?" "Of course it is happening inside of your head Harry. Why should that mean, that it's not real?"
"Of course it's happening inside your head Harry, why should that mean that it's not real" This series is heavy on the subjective vs objective reality department.
@@viksinha5410 yes I think the ambiguity is on purpose, it probably takes him to where ever he desires to go, if that is to go back and resolve the conflict with Voldemort, then that's where he would end up.
Every time I watch this scene, I can't help thinking "It's Dumbledore The White!" Tei Citan Agree totally, they cut so much explanation out of the movie, and ruined several other moments (e.g. Harry actually saying goodbye to Ron and Hermione, instead of that amazingly fear-filled journey to the forest without any goodbyes; and no real feel of celebration after Voldemort's death).
One thing I love about this scene in the book that I don't get so much from the movie, is that Dumbledore confesses to Harry that there's nothing all-powerful or godlike about him, but that all the time he was basically an ordinary kid with a very good heart. And Harry is actually relieved to hear that, to not be more powerful or undefeatable than anyone else. There are shades of Bilbo and Gandalf in that- "You really are just a little fellow in a wide world." "Thank goodness."
I absolutely LOVE this scene. "Of course this is all in your head, Harry. But why can't it mean that it's not real?" I just bawled my eyes out. JK Rowling's theme of "You make your own destiny" is just so powerful and this scene makes it even more inspiring.
I'm a student there, and they've got a pretty strong English department. The class is offered in the Spring semester, and it is already full. (It fills up pretty quickly, as you can imagine!)
0:46 GEEZ, that's creepy! When I first saw this film I knew that this scene was coming and weirdly enough that dying part of Voldemort looks almost exactly like how I imagined it to look after reading that part of the book, and it still scared the crap out of me!
One person asked me awhile ago whether or not Voldemort could come back as a ghost, it is something wizards who were afraid of Death and what waits for them on the Other Side could do after all. I don't think so, the damage he did to his soul, ripping it into 8 pieces and separating them into Horcruxes, there wasn't enough left of it to make a proper ghost
Did anyone else feel like crying when Dumbledore said "Of course it's happening inside your head Harry. But why on earth should that mean that it's not real?"
happyeagle92 He may not be cold, but he is detached. He 's so focused on his plans and the greater good that he doesn't get how his decisions affect people. You start to see this in book 5
happyeagle92 Hes the complete opposite in the books, he always sounds nice and has a really good sense of humour. In the movies he's a bitter old man. You should read the books, so much better than the movies. Even if you don't like reading, I got my brother to read them even though he hates reading, just think of them as the movies but expanded a lot. You will get to know a lot more about the world and t will explain a lot of things the movie never explained.
I think Yates was rubbish directing this film. This scene and the Battle of Hogwarts were rushed. Dumbledore never mentioned why Harry was the Master of the Hallows, his past or even why Voldermort couldn't kill Harry with another wand. I think this film given it was the finale should have been at least 170 minutes long
I think it's made perfectly clear why Harry didn't die. I know people who didn't read the books either and knew perfectly what happened and why. Not everyone will get it the first time and sometimes you'll have to watch it again before you do get it. My point is, the scene as it was written in the book is just so hard to translate to film. They take the most essential things and rewrite that into something they can film and edit into the movie. Could they have done it better, probably, but imo it's a very good scene which explains the things that needed to be explained.
Well firstly, Dumbledore doesn't need to, because the alliegence of the Elder Wand is later explained by Harry when he is with Ron and Hermione on the ruined bridge. The reasons for not being able to use anothers wand, would have been too difficult and protracted to explain. If you remember the book, the Phoenix wand of Harry's detroys Lucius Malfoys wand when it's used by Voldemort... but as I remember, that wasn't in the film.
Harald Werner And the state awaiting Voldemort once he's dead. He is everlasting indeed, unable to move on or yet to remain. A travesty of life yet burning until the end of time. That's why Harry tried to warn him in their last encounter, for if he had felt even a little remorse Voldemort could have died like any other man. There are worst things than death.
It's a piece of his soul the draw back of creating a horcrux is that you need to split your soul every time you do so you lose more and more of yourself at this point Voldemort had split his soul so many times it became "beyond saving" this piece was stuck in purgatory waiting for the rest of voldemort to pass on
Baby Bat You are right. JK revealed that it was indeed LV's actual soul. If you destroy a horcrux, the soul inside it is destroyed so wouldn't exist in anywhere. Also, in the next scene LV is also coming back to consciousness, showing that his soul had traveled as well
Brandon Layne cool its kinda sad though that's probably what hes going to become when he dies cause i think jk Rowling said something about him going to limbo or something not sure but he does deserve it though
To everyone criticizing michael gambon's portrayal and referencing the GoF scene (can't reply thanks to the comments overhaul) that's the screenwriter/director that decides what he does isn't it? Not him
***** The first one only ever got to show us Dumbledore when Harry was very young. He portrayed the Dumbledore from the first 2 books. Now imagine if he had gone on to portray the darker Dumbledore as he taught Harry new things and the plot got more and more complex. How can you compare Gambon to Harris when Harris only got the first, somewhat mysterious yet barely featured Dumbledore? It isn't until the later books that Dumbledore is actually examined.
***** You are allowed your opinion but stop coveting it as though it were precious and be open to other people's ideas and assertions. You'll live a brighter life. I'm only pointing something out. In a real discussion, you wouldn't be getting so defensive. This is not a fight. I was putting forth a point. The first Dumbledore never got a chance to prove himself the way the second one was able to- with a deeply more complex character.
im not coveting my opinion and i'm not even getting defensive. but youre basically trying to tell me my opinion is wrong and i a really don't give a shit what you think. stop trying to be some prick critic and just let everyone think what they want.
Why doesn't Harry question the fact that dumbledore raised him for slaughter? I mean seriously, is he totally ok with that? They kind of sweep that under the rug.
537monster I suppose he understood it was all "a necessary sacrifice"/"for the greater good"? He accepted it, though he wasn't happy with it (understandably). At least, that's how it is in the books; the movies did seem to rush a lot of things...
537monster Harry understands that Dumbledore knew that he couldn't be killed by Voldemort, at least with he first shot or with the elder wand. Dumbledore had to lead him to believe he would die, in order for everything to go as planned.
537monster The books explain that ever since LV took his blood, Haryy essentially had a life-line. And Harry forgives dumbledore because he realizes he is not a perfect man, just like he does with all his father figures
The Harry Potter series has a lot of gigantic plot holes but Harry dying (but not really) might be the hardest one to take. It's like since Rowling knew that the will Harry live or die question was such a big part of book 7 that she tried to have it both ways and invented a lot more unnecessary mythology. If you wanted to make Harry a horcrux, he could have tricked Voldemort into killing him and then in a weakened state from losing part of his soul someone else finished him off. I think it would have been much more satisfying if Harry actually became a wizard decently on par with Voldemort.
JohnnyV123 Voldemort's natural talent and potential is far beyond what Harry is capable of. His only way of beating him is with magic he has no knowledge of which is (as corny as it sounds) love
Everything is happening in your head that's always the case. Since the brain is in your head and everything you see, hear, feel, taste, smell is transmitted to the brain.
Why does Harry ask Dumbledore about Snape's patronus being a doe? He has already seen Snape's memories and therefore knows Snape loved Lily so I don't understand the point of him asking that.
AGuitaringRancor I think that was Harry bringing up Snape and his mother without blatantly talking about it. His question was not so much a question, just a way to talk to Dumbledore the way Dumbledore has always talked to him. Harry already knew the answer. To me, it shows how Dumbledore's peculiar wisdom rubbed off on Harry :)
ok imagine if JKR would have ended the series with Harry still living underneath the cupboard. it goes along of course it's all happening inside your head. that gets me so mad
Reminds me of the scene in "The Matrix Revolutions" where Neo is trapped in the Subway Station that connects Zion and the Matrix. We see similar things here, a train station where only the chosen one can navigate between two worlds.
Suppose life is a dream and your mind is the grand architect... Harry represents your greatest aspirations and Voldemort your darkest fears. Do not be afraid of death because it an essential part of the journey... life is a choice between love and fear in the face of adversity
+Emily Louise Ann Morris I felt like that was a missed opportunity at humor; Harry wished he had some clothes and _voila_ a pile of neatly folded shirt, pants, socks and shoes appear before him; cut to Harry struggling to get his shirt on. Just like in the book right?
Michael Gambon is a fantastic actor, but he doesn't make a good Dumbledore. I didn't like Richard Harris as Dumbledore either, he was too old, and his performance was weak and frail, from his movements, right down to his voice. Dumbledore might have been old in the books, but he was always strong. I'm sorry he died, but he wasn't right for the part.... Ian Mckellen would have made the best Dumbledore, it's just a shame LoTR got him first. But then it isn't an shame either, because LoTR was fucking awesome with him....
Nah no way. Gambon had a kind of natural hard demeanor, he's a great actor, but I always see him as suited to playing tough charicters or even 'baddie', in other words, he wasn't naturally suited to playing Dumbledore. McKellen always comes across naturally good natured and benevolent, it's not hard to see him portraying Dumbledore at all. The only thing that can be said was Gambons irish accent worked in his favour, that was a good call.
***** I personally disagree. The books describe Dumbledore as a really lovable guy who just so happens to be one of the most powerful wizards in the wizarding world; and who also commands a great deal of authority. Michael Gambon could go from being a silly quirky old guy to a badass general at the drop of a hat. When he walked into a scene, I almost felt like standing at attention. I believed in him. I felt comforted and reassured by his words and frightened by his threats. It was a complicated balancing act, one I personally think Gambon pulled off with masterful skill.
***** You're clearly being bias. Gambon did a fantastic job of portraying all of Dumbleydore's qualities. His power, his manipulations and most of all his wisdom. Richard Harris did the same, but he was near the end of his life and only got the role because his granddaughter threatened to never speak to him again.
3:18 - 4:11 - Wise words all tie down into a few seconds. Help is given to those who deserves it and there are far worse things than death. Therefore pity the living. Dumbledore stand true on this point words are capable of both inflicting pain and remedying it.
Harry: Finally accepts the fact that his death is necessary and prepares himself mentally on the way to his death Harry's parents: Happy that they will finally reunite with their son Dumbletroll: "Nope you are not dead yet, Harry, you see one drop of your blood is still in Voldermort. Now get yo ass back to the mortal world. Problem, Potters?"
You would have liked that, huh? XD But no, he was only naked at the beginning, then he dressed up before he sees Flayed!Baby!Voldemort. It would have been pointless to lose time on a reverse strip, especially with everything they already cut off.
It just occurred to me how much of this conversation is missing in the movie in comparison with the book mainly why Lucius Malfoy's wand (wielded by Voldemort at the time) still couldn't effectively attack Harry Potter . The truth is everyone should read the book and use the movie to polish the experience.
So the fact that snape and Lilly's patronus was the same does that mean they both thought of the same memory which made them happy ? Most Likely a memory from childhood ?
Youknow, whenever I dream about people, they talk about 'people from the real life.' They'll ask whether they came with me, the 'real' people. I explain to them how I can't take people with me in my dreams and they'll ask me to pass on messages my 'real people.' Some have döppelganger and the dream-versions will talk about the real ones. Last time I was in an ice-cream shop and the owner asked me how everything was going in the 'real world' and laughed when I explained what was currently happening. My dream friend was crying when I told him I had to leave, because I heared the alarmclock. He held my arm and tried to convince me to finish the play of chess. He said; 'Don't leave, my 'real version' doesnt need you now, the dreamworld needs you, I need you, we have to finish chess.' And another friend (who I 'didn't bring with me' to their dissapointment) was famous for building Mcdonalds and KFC's in the town. They said; 'Please thank him from us, we love KFC, just like he does. We made him a cake!' They were dissapointed when I told them I couldn't take the cake home with me, but I promised to tell my actual friend about the dream ánd the cake. And I kept my promise and told him, over FB. (Which was the reason he freaked and deleted me) Anyway, it's kinda funny how most of the things in my mind are kindof similair to this.
I went with to watch this movie with my cousin, and she has read and memorized all the HP books, so in this part, she was like "He's supposed to be naked! They are not being loyal to the books! My father will hear about this!" I fell to the floor laughing. (She's not perve or anything, she just likes to stay loyal to the books, and I guess this bolted out of her mouth before she really thought about it.) Anyway LOL. It' still my best ice-breaker joke at family meetings. :D :P
Let's be honest. Even with all the good stuff in this movie, the conversation in King's Cross was supposed to wrap up many loose ends and give explanations. You may argue whether or not it accomplished that in the book, but facts are that this version was not nearly as detailed and comprehensive.
*He WASN'T the first. Also, I think that Gambon played a darker Dumbledore, which was perhaps more suitable for the later films. In short, though Harris was amazing, so is Gambon. Any true criticisms I have seen are more likely to do with the script than with Gambon. Though the books were better, this has to be one of the best book to film adaptions of all time.
Yes, i do agree it wasn't similar enough to the book. When reading this scene, it was a really long conversation with Dumbledore, its a shame.However, many people aren't extreme harry potter fans like some of us, so would've found it confusing or boring. However, maybe they could've have an extended version?
Lydia Lilly Maybe they did film it but just cut it before the finale release? If you have the DVD, check the deleted scene section, and you may find something there
Harry and Vold had a double connection: Vold couldn't die while harry lived (horcrux) and harry couldn't die while Vold didn't. The first one to die, would win.
Tei Citan The elder wand belonged to Harry, when Voldemort attacked Harry it killed the piece of soul attached to him but Harry had a choice, he could go back to life or continue to the afterlife.
@SoYoureALiar2 Exaclty and didn't Voldemort use Harry's blood in book 4 to ressurrect? Dumbledore explained in the book(at King's Cross) that that caused Voldemort to give Harry blood protection because a small part Lily's son's blood was in Voldemort now. Voldemort was too arrogant to realize he couldnt kill Harry(Voldemort was knocked out after he tried), he just killed the part of himself in Harry. Dumbledore knew this the whole time(Harry asks him), even when he told Snape.
It's funny that Albus Dumbledore spesks about pitying the loveless when he himself didn't exactly have a lot of love in his life and actively cause harm to the one's that love him like his his sister or his brother. And let's not forget his only "true love" became basically Wizard Hitler and he had to confront him and put him in jail. I guess he was a respected and cherished man by many, but that's not love. I kind of think that line, for Dumbledore, was more close to home that Harry thinked.
On the subject of which Dumbledore is better, Gambon was always going to get criticised because he want the first. However, after Richard Harris's death, I think that Gambon was the next bet thing (McKellen couldn't do BOTH wizards, could he?)
If Harry was technically a Horcrux, why did the killing curse kill him? Shouldn't it be basilisk venom (from which he even experienced in the Chamber of Secrets). Firstly, I thought it might be because he is human, but then again Nagini could only die with Basilisk venom (impregnated into the sword)... puzzling
+ric789 The horcruxes are only hard to kill because Voldemort himself put very strong protective spells on them. Nagini included. But Harry had no such protection. This is at least if I remember everything correctly because it was a long while since I read the books and non of the films goes into details about this stuff
Harry had the chance to go back to his parents, to everyone he lost, but he chose to live and make them even more proud of him instead
''Do not pity the dead, Harry. Pity the living, and, above all those who live without love.'' Probably one of my favorites quotes 🙏🏽
"Is this all real, or is it happening inside my head?"
"Of course it's happening inside your head, Harry. Why should that mean that it's not real?"
These couple of lines basically sum up reading Harry Potter books for me. Harry Potter will always be real to me.
Yeah, those last lines are the closest Harry Potter got to breaking the fourth wall
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Jennifer Ashley These words are more about confirming the truth about a simple fact: "Harry Potter" is not real itself. The boy is only dilusionnal, broken by mental illness and living in a fantastic world inside his head. If you read about the author, you'll realise that she's engaged into charity for children in mental institues. All the harry potter thing is just about a boy driven mad and everything happening in the story are parralels.
crazysam871 lol you are not about to sit here and try to explain Harry Potter to ME. HP has been a part of my life for 8 years now and I know most of what is left to know about him/it. I know very well about the author. & no, Harry Potter WAS "real", it wasn't just a mentally ill boy believing that all those things were happening inside his head. Go rain on someone else's parade who isn't a die-hard Harry Potter fan.
"of COURSE this is all happening in your head harry... why should that mean , its not real?"
Dumbledore: Understanding Quantum Mechanics better than anyone.
+Bromine And Barium quantum mechanics has nothing to do with that.
+mrborn2drink
www.phy.duke.edu/~rgb/Philosophy/axioms/axioms/node12.html
This sentence is meaningful
imagine if the series would have ended with him still living underneath the cupboard
+Majstor Majstorović This sentence is false.
If you can watch this and say Michael Gambon didn't make a good Dumbledore you're clearly just being bias towards Richard Harris. Gambon did a fantastic job of portraying all of Dumbledores qualities. His manipulation, his power, and most of all his wisdom. Thank you Gambon.
+sean bullock DID YOU PUT YOUR NAME IN THE GOBLET OF FIRE!@!!@@!
+sean bullock DID YOU PUT YOUR NAME IN THE GOBLET OF FIRE!@!!@@!
+tom nguyen
I think no matter how Dumbledore said it, whether by the book or by the screen it didn't really matter. I would have shouted it too.
@@rockmasthat’s actually more on the director than the actor because the director is supposed to explain what emotion a character is going through. So, the director would have shot the scene multiple times and could have given a different direction. - words from a film student
Harry: Professor! Is this all real? Or is it just happening inside my head?
Dumbledore: Of course it's happening inside your head, Harry. But why should that mean it is not real?
I love this line so much.
+Gerardo Montalvo I love it too, It's easily the line I remember the most from that book, then in the movie theatre when I heard Harry ask the question I knew exactly what Dumbledore was going to say before he responded. It was awesome.
+Gerardo Montalvo Me too. It's the first sentence that's usually 'dissapointing' ('it's happening inside your head') a.k.a. forget about it, it's not real. But then the next one proves that it was worth remembering and that what you felt when he said all this, was 'real.'
I've never expected to meet a moonwalker here! oh my lol XD
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When Dumbledore said ''Of course this happens in your head'' everyone sighed in the cinema, without knowing Dumbledore meant it ironicly. This was real and in the book he asked Harry if he wanted to get back and proceed the fight or go with him in the ''light world''..
That was never in the book. In the book Harry simply asked Dumbledore where he would go if he boarded the train. The answer was "On."
This was real, and it wasn't. In the same way the world is real, until you go to sleep, and dreams are real, until you wake up. As Dumbledore said, it was "his Party." Meaning his reality, his dream, his fiction, his whatever-you-want-call-it. This means that whether it was real or not, it was Harry's experience, Dumbledore was simply a manifestion of questions Harry wanted answering, and things Harry needed to hear.
***** I agree with everything you said, but it does have me wondering: if this is all inside Harry's head, being his fiction, his dream, how does he have a choice between coming back or moving on? By Harry's perception of the question(Is this in my head?), and by Dumbledore's answer(Of course it is.), we are led to believe that this is, in fact, not real, up until the moment Dumbledore says: "Why should that mean that it's not real?". And while it may be real in Harry's mind, how does that give him a choice? To sum up, was Harry doomed to come back or did he really have the possibility to let his body die if he wanted to? And how could he have that possibility if it was all in his head (real, but not real, as you said)?
Filipe Baião You'll never know that, it could be or maybe it wasn't.
When JK Rowling was asked about this she gave a vague answer and didn't really say yes or no, it could have been all Harry's imagination and Dumbeldore never really met with him.
Or it could have been what all Wizards go through, remember that Sir Nicholas tells Harry all magical people get a choice, move on into the afterlife or remain as a ghost. This was Harry's time to choose, except that his body was not killed because of the Elder wand and Voldemort's soul piece. So Harry had a choice of afterlife or back to his body.
Filipe Baião He had the choice of coming back, or going "on". But the question wasn't asked by Harry's consciousness, not was it answered by the imaginary Dumbledore. The question was his body, asking his heart and mind, if it's time to stop, if that's enough, or if the impending doom can be repelled. This is very similar to when real life people are in freak accidents, and have brain trauma or are in bleed out. The body asks the heart, is that it? Have you had enough? Most people who have survived a near death experience will talk of the fight to stay wake, because they know if they sleep, its over. The Dumbledore/Harry conversation is just a metaphor for a dying persons conversation between mind and body.
@Digital111 he had the choice he had because he was, at this point, he was master of all 3 deathly hallows
0:47 It's hard to imagine, but Voldemort, after being killed for good, is forced to stay in that form without being able to move, talk and regain his powers, unless someone manages to reach that dimension and take him back (which is supposedly improbable for the next hundred of years). He's like in Hell, although a passive one.
It's limbo. Impossible to move on, impossible to go back.
How do you know he didn't just stop existing?
Do you see that little corpse under the bench? That's his soul in a physical form, albeit weak and plagued by years of evil deeds and curses. In Harry Potter's universe, souls can't be destroyed, just like energy. As Voldemort died, the only place in which his soul could stay was inside that Limbo, thus having a fate worse than death.
Dementors are amortal they were never born so they cannot die
"You were the Horcrux he never meant to make"
And then, suddenly:
"I have to go back, haven't I?"
This conversation was supposed to be the most important part of this entire series, and totally should've lasted another 5 minutes or so.
+Christian Maracle Yeah, my biggest gripe about Deathly Hallows part 2 was it's one film that's significantly too short. Felt like they went the cliff-notes version of Return of the King, "Hey, we can do that film in under half the time. Doesn't matter we skimp over the build up and resonation of every scene, we need as many screenings as possible."
I may be in the minority, and Im not at all saying that Michael Gambon is a bad Dumbledore, but I feel like this would have been SUCH a better scene with Richard Harris. Because when I read the book, I swear to god I can hear his voice in my head like in the first two movies, and I start to tear up when Dumbledore begs for Harry's forgiveness.
I think that Richard Harris had a bit of a friendlier disposition, but then again, what would he have been like after Columbus stopped directing?
He didn't seem very relatable you know? Like I couldn't imagine him having those human flaws the other guys has.
"Is this all real? Or is it just happening inside of my head?"
"Of course it is happening inside of your head Harry. Why should that mean, that it's not real?"
I daydream all the time and I love that line
Hello Harry. I am the Architect.
Oops wrong movie.
LOL Could you imagine that?
"Of course it's happening inside your head Harry, why should that mean that it's not real"
This series is heavy on the subjective vs objective reality department.
"Hello Harry"
"..Its not my time"
"Maybe we can work an arrangement..."
*jingle*
Deathly Hallows...What Else ?
i love it when dumbledore goes "ON"😂😂😂
Does he mean that Harry would actually die and go “on” to whatever is beyond death, or that he would go on to the rest of his life?
@@viksinha5410 yes
I think the ambiguity is on purpose, it probably takes him to where ever he desires to go, if that is to go back and resolve the conflict with Voldemort, then that's where he would end up.
Every time I watch this scene, I can't help thinking "It's Dumbledore The White!"
Tei Citan Agree totally, they cut so much explanation out of the movie, and ruined several other moments (e.g. Harry actually saying goodbye to Ron and Hermione, instead of that amazingly fear-filled journey to the forest without any goodbyes; and no real feel of celebration after Voldemort's death).
One thing I love about this scene in the book that I don't get so much from the movie, is that Dumbledore confesses to Harry that there's nothing all-powerful or godlike about him, but that all the time he was basically an ordinary kid with a very good heart. And Harry is actually relieved to hear that, to not be more powerful or undefeatable than anyone else. There are shades of Bilbo and Gandalf in that-
"You really are just a little fellow in a wide world."
"Thank goodness."
I absolutely LOVE this scene. "Of course this is all in your head, Harry. But why can't it mean that it's not real?" I just bawled my eyes out. JK Rowling's theme of "You make your own destiny" is just so powerful and this scene makes it even more inspiring.
Baby Voldemort looks so cute, awww!
that's not baby voldemort, thats part of his soul stuck in limbo
I could write an essay on harry potter. I could easy discuss all the themes and representations of the characters.
easily*
Lydia Lilly Cal State Fullerton actually offers an English class about Harry Potter!
No way! Thats so crazy! I kind of want to take a class there just to see what it's like!
I'm a student there, and they've got a pretty strong English department. The class is offered in the Spring semester, and it is already full. (It fills up pretty quickly, as you can imagine!)
Tim J NO FAIR!!!!!! I WANNA GO TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
0:46 GEEZ, that's creepy! When I first saw this film I knew that this scene was coming and weirdly enough that dying part of Voldemort looks almost exactly like how I imagined it to look after reading that part of the book, and it still scared the crap out of me!
0:47 It warns us of the ultimate price when we obtain an extreme lust for power and immortality. (shivers)
Am I the only one who thinks Dumbledore looks so elegant in this scene? He looks so elegantly beautiful with his white robes
You are absolutely right
Micheal Gambon is the perfect dumbledore!
One person asked me awhile ago whether or not Voldemort could come back as a ghost, it is something wizards who were afraid of Death and what waits for them on the Other Side could do after all. I don't think so, the damage he did to his soul, ripping it into 8 pieces and separating them into Horcruxes, there wasn't enough left of it to make a proper ghost
Did anyone else feel like crying when Dumbledore said "Of course it's happening inside your head Harry. But why on earth should that mean that it's not real?"
Dumbledore always seemed so cold to me...the way he talks.
happyeagle92 He may not be cold, but he is detached. He 's so focused on his plans and the greater good that he doesn't get how his decisions affect people. You start to see this in book 5
happyeagle92 Hes the complete opposite in the books, he always sounds nice and has a really good sense of humour.
In the movies he's a bitter old man.
You should read the books, so much better than the movies. Even if you don't like reading, I got my brother to read them even though he hates reading, just think of them as the movies but expanded a lot. You will get to know a lot more about the world and t will explain a lot of things the movie never explained.
happyeagle92 I don't think he is cold. Michael Gambon did a wonderful job
happyeagle92 He is like that in the books ;)
I think Yates was rubbish directing this film. This scene and the Battle of Hogwarts were rushed. Dumbledore never mentioned why Harry was the Master of the Hallows, his past or even why Voldermort couldn't kill Harry with another wand. I think this film given it was the finale should have been at least 170 minutes long
This scene would have dragged on if they had filmed everything that was said in the book. They need to keep a good pace in the movie.
I liked it...
I think it's made perfectly clear why Harry didn't die. I know people who didn't read the books either and knew perfectly what happened and why. Not everyone will get it the first time and sometimes you'll have to watch it again before you do get it.
My point is, the scene as it was written in the book is just so hard to translate to film. They take the most essential things and rewrite that into something they can film and edit into the movie. Could they have done it better, probably, but imo it's a very good scene which explains the things that needed to be explained.
Well firstly, Dumbledore doesn't need to, because the alliegence of the Elder Wand is later explained by Harry when he is with Ron and Hermione on the ruined bridge. The reasons for not being able to use anothers wand, would have been too difficult and protracted to explain. If you remember the book, the Phoenix wand of Harry's detroys Lucius Malfoys wand when it's used by Voldemort... but as I remember, that wasn't in the film.
Haha ik had totaal geen Nederlandse ondertiteling verwacht. Handig!!
You can't help, Vestige. You wonderful boy.
Dumbledore looks like Gandalf the White hahaha hilarious!
any one else think that thing was voldermorts soul
Harald Werner oh so that's the part of Voldemort that latched onto to harry?
Harald Werner And the state awaiting Voldemort once he's dead. He is everlasting indeed, unable to move on or yet to remain. A travesty of life yet burning until the end of time. That's why Harry tried to warn him in their last encounter, for if he had felt even a little remorse Voldemort could have died like any other man. There are worst things than death.
It's a piece of his soul the draw back of creating a horcrux is that you need to split your soul every time you do so you lose more and more of yourself at this point Voldemort had split his soul so many times it became "beyond saving" this piece was stuck in purgatory waiting for the rest of voldemort to pass on
Baby Bat You are right. JK revealed that it was indeed LV's actual soul. If you destroy a horcrux, the soul inside it is destroyed so wouldn't exist in anywhere. Also, in the next scene LV is also coming back to consciousness, showing that his soul had traveled as well
Brandon Layne cool its kinda sad though that's probably what hes going to become when he dies cause i think jk Rowling said something about him going to limbo or something not sure but he does deserve it though
I love Harry Potter sooooooooooo much!!!
To everyone criticizing michael gambon's portrayal and referencing the GoF scene (can't reply thanks to the comments overhaul) that's the screenwriter/director that decides what he does isn't it? Not him
i thought he was way better than the first one
***** The first one only ever got to show us Dumbledore when Harry was very young. He portrayed the Dumbledore from the first 2 books. Now imagine if he had gone on to portray the darker Dumbledore as he taught Harry new things and the plot got more and more complex. How can you compare Gambon to Harris when Harris only got the first, somewhat mysterious yet barely featured Dumbledore? It isn't until the later books that Dumbledore is actually examined.
i can compare them because they both played dumbledore and i liked gambon better. how about you just let me have my opinion
***** You are allowed your opinion but stop coveting it as though it were precious and be open to other people's ideas and assertions. You'll live a brighter life. I'm only pointing something out. In a real discussion, you wouldn't be getting so defensive. This is not a fight. I was putting forth a point. The first Dumbledore never got a chance to prove himself the way the second one was able to- with a deeply more complex character.
im not coveting my opinion and i'm not even getting defensive. but youre basically trying to tell me my opinion is wrong and i a really don't give a shit what you think. stop trying to be some prick critic and just let everyone think what they want.
Why doesn't Harry question the fact that dumbledore raised him for slaughter? I mean seriously, is he totally ok with that? They kind of sweep that under the rug.
537monster I suppose he understood it was all "a necessary sacrifice"/"for the greater good"? He accepted it, though he wasn't happy with it (understandably). At least, that's how it is in the books; the movies did seem to rush a lot of things...
537monster Harry understands that Dumbledore knew that he couldn't be killed by Voldemort, at least with he first shot or with the elder wand. Dumbledore had to lead him to believe he would die, in order for everything to go as planned.
537monster The books explain that ever since LV took his blood, Haryy essentially had a life-line. And Harry forgives dumbledore because he realizes he is not a perfect man, just like he does with all his father figures
The Harry Potter series has a lot of gigantic plot holes but Harry dying (but not really) might be the hardest one to take. It's like since Rowling knew that the will Harry live or die question was such a big part of book 7 that she tried to have it both ways and invented a lot more unnecessary mythology.
If you wanted to make Harry a horcrux, he could have tricked Voldemort into killing him and then in a weakened state from losing part of his soul someone else finished him off. I think it would have been much more satisfying if Harry actually became a wizard decently on par with Voldemort.
JohnnyV123 Voldemort's natural talent and potential is far beyond what Harry is capable of. His only way of beating him is with magic he has no knowledge of which is (as corny as it sounds) love
lol 4:40 "Of course its happening inside your head Harry" The way he says that makes it sound like he's calling Harry crazy.
Everything is happening in your head that's always the case. Since the brain is in your head and everything you see, hear, feel, taste, smell is transmitted to the brain.
D0UW3ee
Thanks captain obvious
It's something most people don't realize. There are many cases where this insight has meaning.
Why does Harry ask Dumbledore about Snape's patronus being a doe? He has already seen Snape's memories and therefore knows Snape loved Lily so I don't understand the point of him asking that.
AGuitaringRancor I think that was Harry bringing up Snape and his mother without blatantly talking about it. His question was not so much a question, just a way to talk to Dumbledore the way Dumbledore has always talked to him. Harry already knew the answer. To me, it shows how Dumbledore's peculiar wisdom rubbed off on Harry :)
Harry potter goblet of fire voldemort returns I was thinking that voldemort will return in harry potter deathly hallows
Zubeda Chowdhary If you read the books, you would've thought otherwise.
You don't have to read the books to think that.
aeris44 Exactly my point.
Do not pity the dead, Harry.
Pity the living, and above all, all those who live without love.
I guess Harry just had to wait a few more minutes and he would wake in Hagrid's arms.
4:57
Harry shouts "Professor" then the words "my dope" appears lol
ok imagine if JKR would have ended the series with Harry still living underneath the cupboard. it goes along of course it's all happening inside your head.
that gets me so mad
Reminds me of the scene in "The Matrix Revolutions" where Neo is trapped in the Subway Station that connects Zion and the Matrix. We see similar things here, a train station where only the chosen one can navigate between two worlds.
That creature under the bench, i know what it is!
It's Voldemort.
After when he tried to kill Harry. And before Wormtail gave Jim his body back.
But in the Goblet of Fire he looked like that when Wormtail carries Voldemort.
Suppose life is a dream and your mind is the grand architect... Harry represents your greatest aspirations and Voldemort your darkest fears. Do not be afraid of death because it an essential part of the journey... life is a choice between love and fear in the face of adversity
Aww!! A cute little meaty Voldie :3
What the hell
Lol! Don't judge I think he's adorable ^^'
He's a damn meaty baby! That what you see there is a horrible corrupt abandoned soul Tom used to have.
No,just no.
I know, but.. it's just so cute X3
HOWWWWW!
Harry, you're suppose to be naked!
+Emily Louise Ann Morris Exactly what I thought!
***** ?
I'm not whinging, it's a joke. Harry was naked in the books.
Okay :)
+Emily Louise Ann Morris I felt like that was a missed opportunity at humor; Harry wished he had some clothes and _voila_ a pile of neatly folded shirt, pants, socks and shoes appear before him; cut to Harry struggling to get his shirt on. Just like in the book right?
Michael Gambon is a fantastic actor, but he doesn't make a good Dumbledore. I didn't like Richard Harris as Dumbledore either, he was too old, and his performance was weak and frail, from his movements, right down to his voice. Dumbledore might have been old in the books, but he was always strong. I'm sorry he died, but he wasn't right for the part....
Ian Mckellen would have made the best Dumbledore, it's just a shame LoTR got him first. But then it isn't an shame either, because LoTR was fucking awesome with him....
***** Don't agree. Michael Gambon was a perfect Dumbledore to me, and I would have hated Mckellen to play the character
Nah no way. Gambon had a kind of natural hard demeanor, he's a great actor, but I always see him as suited to playing tough charicters or even 'baddie', in other words, he wasn't naturally suited to playing Dumbledore. McKellen always comes across naturally good natured and benevolent, it's not hard to see him portraying Dumbledore at all. The only thing that can be said was Gambons irish accent worked in his favour, that was a good call.
*****
We won't agree on this. I completely disagree ;)
***** I personally disagree. The books describe Dumbledore as a really lovable guy who just so happens to be one of the most powerful wizards in the wizarding world; and who also commands a great deal of authority. Michael Gambon could go from being a silly quirky old guy to a badass general at the drop of a hat. When he walked into a scene, I almost felt like standing at attention. I believed in him. I felt comforted and reassured by his words and frightened by his threats. It was a complicated balancing act, one I personally think Gambon pulled off with masterful skill.
***** You're clearly being bias. Gambon did a fantastic job of portraying all of Dumbleydore's qualities. His power, his manipulations and most of all his wisdom. Richard Harris did the same, but he was near the end of his life and only got the role because his granddaughter threatened to never speak to him again.
i have dumbledores line tattooed on me, waiting to get the archways done around it :'3
1:13 - The subtitles!! AMAZING :D
Até os atores de Lotr e HP eram muito parecidos, o roteiro na mesma proporção e Deus salve o Brasil...
3:18 - 4:11 - Wise words all tie down into a few seconds. Help is given to those who deserves it and there are far worse things than death. Therefore pity the living. Dumbledore stand true on this point words are capable of both inflicting pain and remedying it.
Harry: Finally accepts the fact that his death is necessary and prepares himself mentally on the way to his death
Harry's parents: Happy that they will finally reunite with their son
Dumbletroll: "Nope you are not dead yet, Harry, you see one drop of your blood is still in Voldermort. Now get yo ass back to the mortal world. Problem, Potters?"
Beautiful.
Didn't Harry realize he could be immortal if he didn't let himself get killed?
He had to let himself be "killed" in order to destroy the part of Voldemort's soul that lived within him.
Yeah and if he didn't die voldemort would be immortal too
GraySquared He wasn't immortal, he just couldn't be killed by voldemort. Anything and anyone else is fair game
Rest in Peace Dumbledore Rest in Vein Voldemort.
I loved thi scene in the books. One of my favorites.
im so glad they chose michael gambon to play dumbledore after harris. he takes dumbledore to a whole new level. his acting is extraordinary
Couldn't agree more! Gamdon made Dumbledore one of my favorites!
You would have liked that, huh? XD But no, he was only naked at the beginning, then he dressed up before he sees Flayed!Baby!Voldemort. It would have been pointless to lose time on a reverse strip, especially with everything they already cut off.
Dumbledore: This is, as they say, your party...
Marks the first journey of Harry Potter for Hogwarts, finding his true Home
Seeding the old Voldemort scares me alot
If u look closely, The bloody dude/whatever it is has no NOSE, is that part of Voldy's soul or were the editors to lazy to give him one...
***** Ahhhh okay thx :)
It just occurred to me how much of this conversation is missing in the movie in comparison with the book mainly why Lucius Malfoy's wand (wielded by Voldemort at the time) still couldn't effectively attack Harry Potter . The truth is everyone should read the book and use the movie to polish the experience.
if i was harry i wouldve been like chill. am staying here.
So the fact that snape and Lilly's patronus was the same does that mean they both thought of the same memory which made them happy ? Most Likely a memory from childhood ?
Mike Gambon acts soooo much better here. I wish he did that in the four other movies in which he participated.
Aw thts disgusting the thing under the bench I pooped my pants I was so freaked
That's one of the only scenes where Daniel didn't wear Harry's glasses! xD
You're a Princess Twilight!
It's not a piece, it's what it remains of it.
They criticize Michael Gambon's Dumbledore, but he was awesome in this scene.
Youknow, whenever I dream about people, they talk about 'people from the real life.'
They'll ask whether they came with me, the 'real' people. I explain to them how I can't take people with me in my dreams and they'll ask me to pass on messages my 'real people.'
Some have döppelganger and the dream-versions will talk about the real ones. Last time I was in an ice-cream shop and the owner asked me how everything was going in the 'real world' and laughed when I explained what was currently happening.
My dream friend was crying when I told him I had to leave, because I heared the alarmclock. He held my arm and tried to convince me to finish the play of chess. He said; 'Don't leave, my 'real version' doesnt need you now, the dreamworld needs you, I need you, we have to finish chess.'
And another friend (who I 'didn't bring with me' to their dissapointment) was famous for building Mcdonalds and KFC's in the town. They said; 'Please thank him from us, we love KFC, just like he does. We made him a cake!'
They were dissapointed when I told them I couldn't take the cake home with me, but I promised to tell my actual friend about the dream ánd the cake. And I kept my promise and told him, over FB. (Which was the reason he freaked and deleted me)
Anyway, it's kinda funny how most of the things in my mind are kindof similair to this.
I went with to watch this movie with my cousin, and she has read and memorized all the HP books, so in this part, she was like "He's supposed to be naked! They are not being loyal to the books! My father will hear about this!" I fell to the floor laughing. (She's not perve or anything, she just likes to stay loyal to the books, and I guess this bolted out of her mouth before she really thought about it.) Anyway LOL. It' still my best ice-breaker joke at family meetings. :D :P
Let's be honest. Even with all the good stuff in this movie, the conversation in King's Cross was supposed to wrap up many loose ends and give explanations. You may argue whether or not it accomplished that in the book, but facts are that this version was not nearly as detailed and comprehensive.
*He WASN'T the first. Also, I think that Gambon played a darker Dumbledore, which was perhaps more suitable for the later films. In short, though Harris was amazing, so is Gambon. Any true criticisms I have seen are more likely to do with the script than with Gambon. Though the books were better, this has to be one of the best book to film adaptions of all time.
Anyone else think those last lines meant that Harry was just insane and all of the books were just happening in his head?
lol dumbledore and his riddles
I really liked the book version of this part much much better, though.
I love this scene....
Yes, i do agree it wasn't similar enough to the book. When reading this scene, it was a really long conversation with Dumbledore, its a shame.However, many people aren't extreme harry potter fans like some of us, so would've found it confusing or boring. However, maybe they could've have an extended version?
Lydia Lilly Maybe they did film it but just cut it before the finale release? If you have the DVD, check the deleted scene section, and you may find something there
Ingraham Yeah thats a possibility, i will look :)
Harry and Vold had a double connection:
Vold couldn't die while harry lived (horcrux) and harry couldn't die while Vold didn't.
The first one to die, would win.
Like this reading.
This was my least favorite scene in the film. They didn't even bother to explain how Harry survived wtf.
Tei Citan Maybe if you try the books.
I read the books.
I'm saying the book explained in detail why Voldie couldn't kill him. But in DH2, they never ever mention it.
Tei Citan To be fair, they can only squeeze so much from the book into the film.
They say that harry did what his mother did for him sorry about the english but i am not a native speaker
Tei Citan The elder wand belonged to Harry, when Voldemort attacked Harry it killed the piece of soul attached to him but Harry had a choice, he could go back to life or continue to the afterlife.
@SoYoureALiar2 Exaclty and didn't Voldemort use Harry's blood in book 4 to ressurrect? Dumbledore explained in the book(at King's Cross) that that caused Voldemort to give Harry blood protection because a small part Lily's son's blood was in Voldemort now. Voldemort was too arrogant to realize he couldnt kill Harry(Voldemort was knocked out after he tried), he just killed the part of himself in Harry. Dumbledore knew this the whole time(Harry asks him), even when he told Snape.
Super deze film kon je het maar ook gratis online op internet kijken weet iemand miss of dat wel kan ?? P.s BIG FAN OF HARRY POTTER ❤️⭐️
any one out der who knoes abt d same patronus of Snape and lilly plz help me out.. I don't get it!!
Looks like kings crustacean
Somehow that reminds me of Gandalf
It's funny that Albus Dumbledore spesks about pitying the loveless when he himself didn't exactly have a lot of love in his life and actively cause harm to the one's that love him like his his sister or his brother. And let's not forget his only "true love" became basically Wizard Hitler and he had to confront him and put him in jail. I guess he was a respected and cherished man by many, but that's not love. I kind of think that line, for Dumbledore, was more close to home that Harry thinked.
Gandolf, is that you?
On the subject of which Dumbledore is better, Gambon was always going to get criticised because he want the first. However, after Richard Harris's death, I think that Gambon was the next bet thing (McKellen couldn't do BOTH wizards, could he?)
If Harry was technically a Horcrux, why did the killing curse kill him? Shouldn't it be basilisk venom (from which he even experienced in the Chamber of Secrets). Firstly, I thought it might be because he is human, but then again Nagini could only die with Basilisk venom (impregnated into the sword)... puzzling
+ric789 The horcruxes are only hard to kill because Voldemort himself put very strong protective spells on them. Nagini included. But Harry had no such protection. This is at least if I remember everything correctly because it was a long while since I read the books and non of the films goes into details about this stuff
Also I think it's his imagination taking over
0:50 huh...so that's what happened to gollum after "return of the king"
Is this heaven?
No it's Iowa
Wow one scene I read the book the discussion takes up three pages
Just one more Gruzielement to go!
I thought Dumbledore was Gandalf..XP..I mean he looks like Gandalf..
No wonder I was half expecting gandalf to appear in one of the HP movies.
Is that thing under the bench a piece of Voldemort's soul?
wake up harry