How to Use Math To Beat Roulette - The Martingale Strategy
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00:00 Can We Use Math To Beat Roulette
1:08 The Martingale Strategy
2:58 Ad Read
4:05 Optimal Stopping Problems
6:02 Breaking Down The Math
7:55 Introducing Markov Chains
10:05 The Downside of The Martingale Strategy
11:20 The Martingale Strategy in the Real World
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TBH, the whole Matrix calculus was overkill and just complicated the explanation. Many technical terms have been thrown and not everyone is familiar with these. Still a good video though .
Ahh Martingale. The "strategy" casinos love
Eleven minutes to say it is good in the short term, but not in the long term. Sheesh. The obviously problem with any strategy like this on roulette is that as long as your bet is X chips, every time you bet X chips, you'll lose more often than you win. Betting any pattern of up or down, or 1-3-5-whatever still works out that betting up will win 48% of the time, down the same, one the same, 3 the same, 5 the same.
Here's a suggestion for anyone who thought they'd find something useful here. Find a way to beat sports betting, because other than counting cards, you won't beat table games.
@@aFREEsportsbettingSYSTEMyeah the short term thing is stupid because if you ever go back again and start paying off your taxi rides again your no longer in the short term. But sports betting is also not the answer in reality I’d say go to college and get a job, but poker is far superior to sports betting. Both are skill games but one your playing against Vegas literally the best a sports betting there is and the other your playing against the local crowd at your casino. If poker were like sports betting than the only poker games you’d be allowed to play would only be against pros.
@@aFREEsportsbettingSYSTEM It's not good in any term.
gotta love maybes
Step 1. Start with infinite money
Step 2. Process the existential question "why are we here"
Lmaoo
You forgot that there has to also be no table limit
Martingale is the Fastest way to go BROKE.
No it's not! You'll go broke faster with any of the other possible strategies (except maybe the Fibonacci dozens).
The fastest one is to bet all of your money on green at once. That's a 97.3% chance of going broke in a single bet!
There is a limit on it and so yes
How is it faster than just going all in every round?
About 20 years ago a friend decided to join a group of us in Vegas. He jumped in the car and drove in from California. First thing he did was go to the Big Wheel (*cough*). He put $5 down and lost. $10 and lost. $20 and lost. $40 and lost. $80 and lost. $160 and lost. $320 and lost. Sorry.... $500 limit on bets, can't double anymore. And he let out a stream of expletives and stormed outta the casino, got back in the car, and drove back to California. Don't think he's ever been back.
a great lesson at the cost of around 600$ lmao
Anytime you raise your bet after a loss will eventually turn in to a disaster and the quickest way to lose a fortune is with the martingale or grand martingale betting scheme.
@@angravante Unironically, the name for this chasing of losses is the Gambler's Fallacy
Qw+
1st time i ever went into a casino i played the big wheel, i put my money on 1 to 1 also on 2 to 1 and was doing quite well.
The reverse is more interesting and also more useful. Given a certain odds and goal, what size should you bet? It is often used in the financial markets, and causes hedgefunds to collapse as the real world doesn't match the neat models used to predict the outcome....
I'd be interested to see what the expected value of this strategy is (i.e. the version presented at the end). With a larger maximum bet, the probability of winning (at least once) is higher, but the cost of a loss increases exponentially, and could be enough to skew the expected value.
the expected value of any roulette spin is always the same, regardless of the betting scheme. it is calculated as the probability of a win minus the probability of a loss. in the case of a roulette wheel with one 0, it would be 18/37 - 19/37 = -2.7% of your bet. It’s even worse for most american casinos with a 0 and a 00, at -5.3%
Finance bros call this strategy "picking up pennies in front of the steamroller"... It's easy to win short-term gains by taking outsize risks (e.g. by selling naked calls). The question is not ~if~ you will go bankrupt, but when.
Casinos have betting limits you’re not going to be able to double your bet forever at most casino if the minimum bet is $5 the max is going to be $1500 do you can only double up for 6 or 7 bets max, every casino have betting limits to counter this strategy. The ball landing on either red or black 10-15 times in a row is pretty common.
Use fibonacci on the dozens start at the right time and hang on! 12 losses in a row is pretty difficult to achieve and youll go up on any hit regardless of previous losses.
How fibonacci😊 work
Thank you for letting everyone know you didn't watch the video
@@lukefranklin1766 boring video
10-15 times in a row is pretty common? 😭 rigged ass game if so, cuz that’s not true
Note: if you have another person with you they can max bet when needed to add an extra bet. With 3 people with you, you can add 2 extra bets. This still would only work in the short term and the casino would catch on to you anyway.
The casino would not stop the player in this case.
No matter how many people someone bring with him (spouse, friends etc..).
Because martingale does not give the player any edge, just retards the eventual huge loss that will compensate the casino for all those small player's wins.
Casinos stops only advantage players (like proficient card-counters), cheaters, and people who disturbs other players from losing their money in favour of the casino.
Haha. Totally love gambling math vids! This is a good one.
Years ago on business in Las Vegas a friend asked me to bet $5 on Black. I could lose $5 and not worry so i said okay.
Just as i was about to leave town i remembered his request and headed to a casino.
Not being a gambler i dis figure out it was Roulette. Rather than just waste it i wanted to see if i could improve the odds. So i watched several games at several tables. Each table had a board of the last 15 winning numbers whose odds should be 0.5 to be on the list)
Thats when i noticed several numbers listed 2,3 and even 4 rimes. The odds being largly against it. So i looked closly at the numbers.
The number means nothing but the physical position on a physical wheel does. Nothing is perfect. What it revealed was a pie slice where freq number were.
That's when i chose to play. I occupied every place in that slice to win. And often did.
The heads-tails factor was how many times in a row. So if the count was hogh i bet the opposite slices. Usually winning again.
I did that for 1-1/2 hr to go from $5 up to $840 at which point i covered my trip expenses so i headed home.
That was my system to win.
I agree with you 100%. I have used this also successfully.
Fibonacci dozens are where its at. Modify it a bit based on tables history and its honestly hard to lose. Just gotta know when to leave.
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Fib is an urban myth in my opinion. When it comes to roulette, the negative impact of the house edge will destroy all staking plans. The best method I've seen is random- pluck a number out of the air!
please try it and lose your money you bafoon
of course with an emphasis only on winning, you'd simply keep the first win. Playing again but allowing your win to remain for the next bet and so on, effectively letting the wins continue. Hence your winnings would be 1, then 2, then 4, then 8 etc.,. losses would always be only 1 unit per spin.
You’re brilliant at explaining the world.
Great videos.
Would love to watch a video about a fact all virologists agree on and that is (a physical virus has never been found in any living thing) What does this mean?
The only physical viruses found have to be grown in a lab before they can be seen. Why is this ?
it’s puzzling.
They can detect a virus in living things but can’t physically find one.
It’s Like having a metal detector going off all the time but when you dig into the ground you find nothing. Very strange.
Yeah like covid. Never been isolated
I haven't heard of even one casino removing it's roulette wheels due to losses.
I have used this method before, never knew it was a 'known thing' though but yeah sadly crazy unlikely things happen in casinos to the point where you are convinced it's fixed!
Yeah man, I saw 3 zeros in a row.. and 2 times I saw 20 red in a row
I've tried that strategy in video games that have gambling. It works well as long as you start with a very small bet and have a large pool of money to keep going, but the problem is, the initial bet is so small, it's not really worth it, so I would always get to the point where I start making the initial bet much larger, meaning I'd have less tries and eventually lose it all. I couldn't ever really find a good balance that would ensure winning while at the same time making the payout worth the time.
Ok guys, feedback needed. Player 1 plays the martindale. Player 2 plays the opposite of that. So essentially chips are moving back & forth btwn players 1& 2. It just makes red & black constantly bet on during any spin. Three spins into this, player 3 puts the table min on the 0- 00 line. With no additional players doing traditional roulette playing of 5 or 6 numbers, just players 1 & 2 on the outside and player 3 on the double zero split, I think the roulette dealer will feel useless as no outcome matters, & hit a 0 or 00 very quickly. I call it "the system of systems". What do you guys think?
I've just got on to your videos mate and I love your ability to explain really technical things, in this case maths... As for me I didn't go past year 8... 😅
And yet I understand exactly everything you're explaining..
I could be partly because I spent a year or so trialing and tweaking the Martin Gale strategy on roulette on roulette on the downtime of my night shifts 😅
Another great video mate
And I can definitely say from experience...
7-9 x red or black comes up way more often than most people think
One strategy I used and use in casinos when I'm rarely out at them with mates is watch for the tables that have previously had a run of 6-9 x one colour or odd / even and then use the strategy for a short amount of time as you mentioned then walk away with your winnings
It's a fun trick to do in front of your mates as they think you are some kind of genius 😅
Very cool video, I love your channel, just found it! 🙂 I tried using trend prediction from the study of Chaos Theory to win at Blackjack in the casinos. Chaos Theory shows that the odds of any given coin toss are not 50%, that is, each flip shouldn't be considered by itself, independent of the others. There ARE runs of 'good luck' and 'bad luck', and counterintuitively, the longer a run goes, the more likely it is to continue. Statisticians don't like this, but the data from the study of dynamical systems show it to be true. (Regardless of whether they can explain it, it's still true.) And of course you are right, casinos capp the maximum bet so you can't employ the 'double your bet' strategy to win using that method. Love this video. 🙂
Woah that's interesting. Are there any math equations that reflect this? How did they simulate data, was it monte carlo simulations or similar matrixes like Dr. ben did here?
@@jonathanmezzenga2501 It's not simulated data, it's real data from real world systems. I got this from the book 'Chaos', by James Gleick, give it a read. It's old but still applies.
I use fibonocci strategy on the dozens it works freakishly well somehow. Need enough bank roll for 12 losses but I havent got past 9 or 10 then the big hit.
THE BEST WAY TO GAMBLE IS TO REVERSE THE MARTINGALE AND LET YOUR BET RIDE WHEN YOU WIN..SAMLL RISK,LARGE REWARD..IF YOU GET TO THE HOUSE LIMIT,JUST STAY THERE TIL YOU LOSE
I don't think this works bro. It's just the same cycle just in reverse. The house always wins
I’ve made $1,000 from $80 but I lost it all when I started making irrational decisions and increased my starting bet to $50 smh…. I tried again a few days later and won $1,000 again but this time I cashed out. It does work. I played online with live dealers so the minimum bet was only .50
Have you used this system or another
which online casino..they pay u
so what I'm hearing is if you take the 86% probability and just reset to the minimum bet after every win or after every 3 flips you can clean out the casino.
Yes. BUT fibonacci stategy on the dozens is way better imo
Probability is notoriously tricky to get right but this was very clear and engaging.
The answer is using the exact opposite.. Reverse ◀️ Martingale. Always start with one and only double on a win. 😊
Great chart explaining a night of coin flips!
So am I understanding correctly you are saying the best way to play is to try to win once and quit? I won't disagree. Here is a strategy. Stack chips on a single dozen methodically increasing after a loss so that a profit can be had on any win, but toward the center are increasingly larger jackpot numbers. Upon the first win cash out! If a jackpot then superb! If a lower level win then you can still afford the cab fare and a pint! 😅😅😅😅😅
I have used this method on Blackjack before and this is where it gets interesting because firstly the perfect game of BJ gives the house a smaller edge an roulette but most importantly you get random points in the game to suddenly increase your stake when it looks like it's in your favour to do so, ie doubling down, splitting pairs, etc. So if this happens when you are well into a losing streak then it means you might win back loads more than your $1 stake that you were trying to do originally!
Plus blackjack pays 1.5x too which is always nice when you are betting $32 or $64!
Sadly I have no idea how to factor in the doubling up strategy with all these potential bonus payouts too.
It might be worth mentioning that there's no obstacle to making a substantially larger profit than $1 every time your Martingale finishes with a win - if you bet, say, triple the previous amount each time instead of "just" doubling it, you end up with a net gain of about half what your last bet was, which is far larger than a single dollar when you finally win; on the downside though, you're also running out of money much faster...
I've always been curious about this idea of doubling your bet to cover your loss. Great video and a long time question answered! Now I'm off to try get a taxi...
If you dont have a massive bank roll start with $1 and use fibonacci strategy it seriously works. Need $400 for 12 consecutive chances to hit dozens.
@@AldousHuxley7Which fibonacci strategy?
@@Alphaa101 Idk I modify it as I go depending how im feeling but basically put $1 on a dozen and reset when you hit. If you dont hit increase like this: 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 144
We only stand a chance if the actual place that offers roulette play with fair play and no magnets 😂
No, you don't stand chance anyway.
That assumes a perfect wheel and a perfect spin every time with a perfect random outcome. This is historically not going to happen.
The max bet limit isn’t a limitation since you can easily get up and walk over to the high limit room and continue where you left off. The odds of winning back your losses don’t change bc u changed tables.
I thought I was the one who came up with this! The problem is most Casino's set limits preventing this from happening (high minimum's and low maximum's) and/or the roulette table is rigged.
Note: these kind of schemes/strategies are likely to get your kicked out of the casino long before you can make a significant amount of money.
you will never get kicked out of a casino for using martingale. that is so dumb lol. it is a losing strategy and the casinos want to keep you around for as long as possible so they can take your money.
there is no betting scheme or game in the casino that gives the player a positive EV except for blackjack
I just did Google coin flip. 3rd thru 10th flips were heads
Wouldn't it be best to target common sequences with betting patterns and increased spacing and payout.... basically pressing but not paroli either... just using past wins on an even bet to increase possiblity of a bigger payout from one unit. basically playing the odds on the value a single unit can achieve vs the house odds. if you can make 1 unit= to the potential of 9 units within a theoretical amount of spins to achieve that payout vs the bankroll needed to take the flow of the game. It'd be possible to actually make it a game compared to knowing they will win every time.... it's only fair that we win sometimes too... flat bets are the way to go.
Now combine this with starting to bet after a straight 6 of the same color. Ex bet red after 6 straight black and continue betting red untill you win
actually better to consider it a run of no-show's instead of shows... that way you are accounting for the green (0) as it can be considered just another no-show of the colour you are watching. This won't work in an actual casino though as they will ban you for "table waiting" and it won't work in an online casino as you will win too frequently and they will suspend / close your account under the guise of protecting you from being a person with a gambling addiction (you can lose as much as you like and they will not suspend or close your account... if you consistently win more than you lose they will find a way under there t&c's to suspend / close your account.) tried, tested and verified on multiple online casinos. If you're not losing money, they are not happy with you as a customer.
6 in a row of the same color has no effect on the probability of the next spin
@@matt0833right by Color not but with the others yes
There is an ETF. TSLY with a hight yield. Could you please evaluate chance of sucess?
If you are a passive investor, chance of success is low. You must always average down on ex div dates and sell the peaks. Honestly better just to max out your SPY units
Haven't watched yet, does Kelly come up?
I know of an electronic machine with a real wheel.
25c minimum $1400 max
Pass me the Bat-on!
the very obviously big issue with this strategy is the fact that casinos obviously know about it and have table limits for this reason
The chance of winning atleast once in 7 games in a game of 50% chance per game is more than 90% .using complementary probability
Could you do one with Fibonacci method? its supposed to be better than the Martingale method.
There is no strategy for roulette
@@StefanReich You just weren't on my channel!
Ive heard so many different opinions on this strategy. I may have to try with a low minimum version
Even starting with a $1 bet, he shows at 10:42 that you need over a $million to survive 20 losses in a row. And if you're considering starting with just a 1 cent bet, then really, what's the point?
@@JohnSmith-ho3cubecause I honestly hate myself and this is the only way I feel alive anymore
@@LoDef647 Hopefully you're just joking, but if you're serious, I hope you can get some counseling to help with that. Best wishes.
@@JohnSmith-ho3cusemi, but ima be okay thank you
@@JohnSmith-ho3cuI won $600 of $20 btw. It was a roller coaster, would not recommend
What if you switch everytime from heads to tails or tails to heads? How would that change the long term probability?
It wouldn’t.
@@lost50 Good for you, but that doesn't answer my long term probability question.
It's weird I've seen it roll red 18 times in a row or black around that many times but never red black red black even close to 18x in a row.
@@mattcampbell5148 it does acctually
@@mattcampbell5148 it wouldn't change anything because the probability of hitting a heads streak is the same as hitting an alternate heads-tails streak or any combination possible
Now time to weed out the gambling and lotto videos that will flood my feed after this
It also takes a good bit of time and the house doesn't like you doing it.
not true, the house loves it when you do this. because it’s a -EV strategy.
Interesting, where did you get that nice t-shirt mate ? I definitely want one.
You can use Martingale, but wait for 3 in a row before you place your first bet. Example - Once you see three RED 3x in a row, start with a minimum bet on BLACK (on the fourth spin) and start doubling. You have already dodged 3 in a row. So the 7 win theory with dodging the first 3 means you would have to lose 10 in a row, which is exponentially less likely.
Lol this is so false. Don't do this people.
Less likely, but still happens several times a day
OMG... really wait for "3 in a row", because then you know the other color is "due", am I right? You people are so funny. The casinos LOVE you.
@@_Coffee4Closers no kidding. I've seen the same even chance bets hit streaks of 20+ several times and I've only been playing a few months. It's why I rarely bet against a streak
Tried this after 6 in a row and still in a loss. Can't predict with 12 in a row
A questionable bat-related medicinal cream on the internet? Sign me up! And thank you for your great videos - This one was a great refresher on probabilities and statistics!
Start your bets at 0.20 cents for one extra spin (5X0.20=1)
You cant win longterm on this System. You only can build an edge of winning (like Bankroll is: 500€ and you want to make 10% Profit its possible sometimes)
4:38 The placebo effect trials outcome, is a reason enough to believe that the mind/belief has power over matter. So each time I hear my female colleague say to herself how old she is, I always say to her not to say that because it is basically what is making her older! She should start saying the opposite.
Title: How to beat Roulette.
Video: Play a game that pays higher than the actual odds of placing a winning bet.
mAtHs!
Find me a roulette table that pays $2 on the dollar for a Red/Black win and I'm set for life.
Good explanation of the strategy though.
There is a limit that you can bet on the table
I was in a casino a few years back and it landed on 35 five times in a row!
1 in 70 million chance!
If I'd put a £1 on 35 and left it I would have won £1.7m!!!
NO! The casino has maximum bet!
@@Alex-bq2vs very true
Tonight my table hit 6 7x in like 15 spins. I was doing fibonacci dozens resetting to $5 every time I hit. Tripled my money in 90 minutes.
Could you answer a question? This long/short-term thing is kind of paradoxal. If i play less a day but play 4ever, it'll hit me eventualy, right? I'm trying to mix some strategies like gale, fibbonacci, to make me random as they are, so eventualy when im not doing the gale im following the strake.
Pfft. Tables have betting limits to prevent this and also YOU will run out of money at some point and be unable to continue when you get a long enough run of losses, which will happen.
what if you place $4 on red and $1 on 0/00/2 now you have 18 reds , 2 zeros and the black 2 ? ( American wheel ) or place a bet in 3rd dozen, and 2nd dozen plus 0/00/2 now you have 27 slots to land in and dealer only has 11, and you martindale it .
Problem with that is you're betting a lot just to win a small amount.
@@robira1313 You're right of course but in roulette you can risk a little to win a lot with lousy odds or you can risk a lot to win a little with good odds.
Martingale Strategy is IMPOSSIBLE to use in any casino, as statistics and table limits will soon end you. Casinos are NOT stupid or they would be broke. Same for people thinking they can "card count" at Blackjack. Casinos love these people.
You have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to blackjack. Perfect card counting is a +EV game in the long-term, no ifs or buts.
@@harrymkwii yes you will have a 0.15% advantage over the house if you can implement it... now clown tell me if YOU on an individual level have the bank roll to sustain the statistical variance around that small edge? Also as an individual what casino will you play at that the floor and dealers are so dumb they will not immediately see your bet size change at a good count?
You are totally clueless to reality... have YOU ever made money card counting by yourself? The answer is NO you have not.
I've seen a 13x red streak in a real casino. It happens
Pass me the Batton !
pass me the baton!
When online poker and casinos were still big, I've seen a friend trying this strategy. He lost 20 times in a row once. Maybe it was rigged.
I was playing blackjack in a casino and I was winning for hours using a similar technique. Finally all the other players lost and dropped out and it was only myself and the house. He assumed I was going to stop but I said, no, lets keep going. He looked at me like I was stupid but we went on. I then lost 17 hands in a row before quitting. I do not believe that was chance.
This is like that old Steve Martin joke, "You to can be a millionaire and Never pay taxes.... How you ask... Simple; First, get a million dollars, then never pay your taxes!"
Martingale is the most dangerous and risky strategy!
Wait of time
I am in day 2 of covid, and I need youtube to distract me...Miles is great!
Shoulda got your 8th booster
if you have a 100,000$ , bet martingale starting with 1 dollar , win a few dollars , have a coffee , go home happy
You guys just wait until it’s 8 consecutive then do the martingale
They have also shown how mathmatically improbably goo to you evolution fairytale is.
the roullettes hav an antidot agaisnt this method, i have fallen victim to it
They have several. everything from rigged tables, through very skilled distraction techniques all the way up to banning you from playing. As the customer you are not permitted to use strategies to increase your odds, they however are allowed to use all kinds of strategies to ensure you lose everything you own and get yourself into a debt.
@@Garuthius Rigged tables would be illegal, right? Just askig
@@dontanton7775 absolutely ... 💯 % ... and yet it still happens even in todays modern world
Hi.
Henry Martingale was a casino owner. He did NOT invent a winning Strategy for players on purpose. He understood in order to maximize his profits. he needed to get the most money out of a player's bankroll and onto the table where his advantage lurked. DONT DO IT!
Americans. Please consider that most roulette wheels outside the high-limit tables are double-zero. The probability moves from 18/37 to 18/38. And, while that doesn't seem like much, it moves the odds to 47.37% from 48.65%. Martingale is a great strategy to win your original bet in the short term. Play it long enough, and you will lose. A lot of people are fooled into the gambler's fallacy that after 10 reds in a row, that black is due. It's not.
I find it very strange though that I've NEVER seen it Go from Black to red Back & Forth More than it's hit Solid Colors Over and Over.
I’ve played online roulette so much my subconscious knows ahead exactly on my tables prewritten out. Crazy, my trouble is I never trust my accuracy and keep playing.
you sound really dumb... playing online roulette bwahahaha
remember 99.9% of gamblers quit before they hit big
i once went from $30 to $4k lost it all cus i didnt stop i should of
Set yourself a limit of plays, 30 40 or 50 plays. Even if on a winning streak, stop, no matter how tempting to go on. The worst thing is the 2 A.M. Excitement buzz, and then, Wipeout!!
Yes. You should HAVE.
Martingale is a 'sure win' strategy if the f**king casino does not impose a maximum bet limit. Who said you can't win with the Martingale system?!
I start with a $5 bet and double up after every loss with a bankroll of $5000. You only lose if you are cursed 😆
...and you break-even if you are lucky.
Martungdale.
Does not work..😮
Pass me the bat-on
I would love to hear more are their any books you recommend i read about probability and or roulette strategy
Pass me the BatOn! Great video.
I dont buy this: Since all events are independent, just make these different bets in random order. Should not change the result. Randomly bet $1, then $16, then $8 etc. This is not a "Strategy"
I got serious about this in 2013 investing in a retirement fund 70% in shares. Two years ago, I moved back to 25%. I avoided the bond value crash: it is an extremely rare event.
If you lose 25 times in a row are you going to bet a million dollars to try to win a dollar? Or lose 2 million dollars?
Please play roulette
The math is very simple - don’t play roulette.
If we lose the all money to sleep in casino 😂😂😂😂😂😂
So..in the very short run, Martingale works ?
What if I just break the LONG RUN into many many short run ?
I play only 3 spins every session = short run , so I win ...hahahahaha..
Thats smart! I do fibonacci dozens and reset to $5 every time I hit. Works freakishly well but I modify it a bit as I go.
is it possible to lose 14 times in a row? cus fuck me man
You’d be better off playing blackjack as long as you know how to play perfect blackjack
666 total of numbers on roulette table
So you’re telling me there’s a chance??
But what if he shot you in the face?
Yeah, but everything has 2 green spots some are going to 3 green spots!
Martingale is the best way to win roulette, only if you know how to use it…
Mate you spoke less about the martingale than in any other video I’ve ever seen on it
Fibonacci progression works in the long run with betting the columns. Progression: 1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89......
Eventually you will hit the table limit and lose a crap load of money. That zero will come out at the worst time.