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As a Marine, I’m biased to my home team. But after leaving the infantry community, the fact that the SF have a national guard option is very appealing to me.
@@jonathanwatson4859 Ive always enjoyed the small unit cohesion that came with a regular line platoon. Leaving the military and trying to find the same sense of cohesion and purpose has been difficult. Once I finish moving I’ll see what my options are. Family comes first.
@@jonathanwatson4859 there are some options in the federal law enforcement that are appealing such as the USMS. I don’t think they make you sign a potential to relocate clause either unlike the FBI. If the USMS has a relocation clause then that would be a no go for my family.
As a non-military person, I enjoy the way your videos are organized. They are well written in that they move clearly from general to specific, and take time to define terms. You also use repetition and structure well. As an English professor I give your writing an A
Having served alongside a handful of SF teams, CCTs/TACPs, and Raiders in Iraq, i was blown away at how incredibly versatile and professional all of these guys were. I never had the chance to work with SEAL teams, but wish i had gained the experience. The overlap between them is greater than the number of differences for sure, as they seem to integrate almost seamlessly with one another. I will say, however, those ODA guys are extremely impressive. 5th group were some of the most badass people ive ever met in my life. Theyll have to get my vote.
General Discharge, you are a psychic... I was literally wondering when you would make this video, and it posted on my feed 2 minutes later! AHAHAHAHAHA
This Proves my point. Heroes don't need capes, just camouflages. Great Video. This may be my favorite. I never knew both had almost the same capabilities. Keep Up The Great Work !
MARSOC Raider training is somewhat similar to Army SF in a number of ways. The basic pipeline for Raiders borrowed from Army Special Forces. Only minor differences are the swimming requirements.
1). CCTs vs. TACPs (or SOF TACPs) 2). TACPS vs. ANGLICOs vs. Army FOs 3). Navy Seabees vs. AF REDHORSE 4). NAVSPECWAR vs ASOC 5). AFSPECWAR vs MARSOC 6) Apache crews vs Cobra crews
@@XneEyedKing I’d love to see more on 1SFOD-D (CAG/Delta Force) but tbh nobody can get enough info for a good video all we truly know is some old ops they were involved in and that they are called CAG now
@@OscarNovember1776 they 100% retired cause they were already in and are too old to go through the Q course, the other 2 are active and new, give it a few anf watch switch branches.
They share a lot of commonalities, unit composition, host nation training, working closely at times with indigenous forces, embedding and integrating mission support, though when it comes to conducting Direct Actions, Raiders!
In ways, MARSOC and SF have a more effective way of eliminating bad apples in their communities, compared to SEALs. Since not a lot of people swim well. The SEALs deal with what they got. That being said, I'd say MARSOC have started developing what will become the best selection and development process between the three of them. Making prior service a requirement allows MARSOC to choose from candidates with developed skills, shortening the training and integration process.
MARSOC and Green Berets damn sure still know how to swim, especially MARSOC. Maybe not on SEAL diving level, but water competence is required nonetheless
@@Imrepenting PFFFT, why? Cuz they're Marines? Enough with the cult thinking. SEALs and SF have decades of experience and proven training. Not to mention MARSOC was modeled after SF. Marines are not fucking Terminators. Shit, they aren't even tougher than Army soldiers, they're literally the same, except for a couple of extra weeks at boot camp that Marines get, majority of which is spent teaching them to be anal hard asses 🤣
This is a good point. I hear a lot of 18X candidates don't actually get selected at SFAS, since they're relatively new in the military and haven't had much time to grow and mature. The seasoned dudes with experience typically do much better (surprise, a lot end up being prior Marines lol)
Special Forces may have existed long before there was Vietnam and the Marine Raider Regiment was recent, but I think both deserve recognition (even though both are the quiet professionals) and respect. I got both MARSOC books myself, though have yet to get the Green Beret books mentioned here and some others that are the stories of Special Forces soldiers (for example Horse Soldiers by Doug Stanton).
@@MaceOfSpades5 Your bias shines through as brightly as Betelgeuse. The marines NEVER had "special forces", so you can dx that bull$hit. From what I'M reading, they (raiders) lasted LESS than two years, because of dissension within the corps. Either way, whenever special forces is mentioned, EVERYONE knows it's the US ARMY. Very few people, other than marines, have ever even HEARD of raiders. But, you guys are desperately trying to remedy that. Okay, fine. But throwing shade at the green berets makes you look like a bitter, and jilted schoolgirl Then, you throw jabs like "raiders were the first special forces....They're better at combat." waaah. STFU. Special OPERATIONS are NOT special FORCES. Jesus....Is there no end to you guys' disdain for your brothers in arms? Members of the same fkn team? F**k, you guys are silly!
Army Special Forces and MARSOC Marine Raiders are both badass unconventional Warfare specialists and Warriors who fight for freedom and America against all enemies everywhere including terrorists by any means necessary to win the war
Yea but now that socom hired a “diversity and inclusion” director, we are fucked. They will lower standards for women and poc just so they can serve too. This country is starting to bend itself over and fuck itself in its ass
@@tbhfm2691 The thing with that is we already know men of all ethnicities can perform at the level required to get into these units, it's just a matter of what resources we have available to us which is something that Remi Adeleke brought up when he talked about black men becoming SEALs. The main issue would be a push to *force* women into these units when the Rand corporation already published a study saying that all-male infantry platoons perform better than mixed-gender platoons
most people don't know that a former Green Beret created the Raider pipeline and trained the first Raiders (that's why they're so similar). Additionally, SF primary mission now (after the creation of the SFAB) is to train foreign special operations, guerilla fighters and conduct fallback operations - meaning they act as American guerilla fighters (hit and run missions, staying behind enemy lines and blending in with native populations). You should also make a video on the Army Security Forces Assistance Bridges (SFAB). They replaced SF as the primary training force for conventional Foreign Internal Defense (FID) mission (As stated above SF now focuses on training foreign SOF units, Guerilla warfare, training foreign guerilla fighters, Information/Intel Operations and Direct Action).
Most of the Soldiers in the SFAB are actually decent physical fit Soldiers. They tend to come from who didn't make it to selections which happens, its not the end of the world. Some of them are like 2 or 3 selection tries.
There are some facts in the first part of your statement, but it wasn't just one/ some SF dude/s that ran that pipeline. It was a collaboration between multiple SOCOM units both active and retired. There was more of force reconnaissance influence from the USMC as far as standards, with an addition of "you need language, culture, and anything else that makes a special operator".
@@gaberesendez6492 Raiders were disbanded during WW2 and only recently came back with MARSOC’s adoption of it because they wanted to bring back that tradition, if you will.
True story. They need to be reminded. Also the Marine Raiders have been more of a hassle to leadership than successful. Check their history after ww2. Controversy in Afghanistan and then green on blue shooting issues in Iraq. Nothing good came from the new Raiders. Also they were on the brink of being disbanded.
I feel like it's the difference between a hammer and a scalpel. Because MARSOC makes it so expiernced marines can join they seem more geered for action so their the hammer. Where as Berets while not always necessarily expiernced in combat seem to take time to focus on the more specific faucets of unconventional warfare and foreign internal defense such as languages and culture. Their fore their the scalpel. Both can do the others purpose well but the seem to almost make up for where the other is slightly lacking. That said I see the reason why both would be necessary in a FID situation. To both hit the enemy hard and strengthen the regime in place. At least that's what I gathered from the video. Obviously don't take my word as being that of an expert.
@@theempiredidnothingwrong3227 not even close, most if not all that attend the Q course are former infantryman, they are just able to multi task and due more than 1 thing at once. They are neither a hammer or a scalpel, they are the toolbox!
I'm a Marine Reservist Major thinking of going National Guard SF as an Enlisted. I spoke to some SF guys at Camp Humphreys and they were encouraging me, but the Marine LtCol I work for, who passed MARSOC A&S as a Captain but never joined, was heavily discouraging it. I'm 38 and recognize there's a lot of risks, but....I think I'll move forward with it anyway. Oh BTW, the ARSOC Recruiter said Military Free Fall / HALO was required training for all SF, at the back of Q-Course, at least as of right now. It was in his Powerpoint slide deck (so he wasn't just pulling it out of his ass in conversation).
I don't know how physically fit you are, but, I went to SFAS at 30 and again at 31 only to leave the first time with a bad upper respiratory infection and the second time with eight torn muscles across my right scapula. Right where they insert and where the ruck sack presses against the back part of your shoulder and had also worn down the meniscus in both knees. The first time I left because of the illness, I was put in the Airborne in and was stuck there for three days because Ft Bragg was snowed in and the airport was canceling flights...I was still so sick that I was given a week of no duty and was confined to my barracks room with the CQ runner responsible for retrieving all my meals for me. I had my little brother go to the commissary and pick me up a case of Campbell's chicken noodle soup and four boxes of saltine crackers and two gallons of oj and a case of sprite. I slept for four more days and only woke up to go to the bathroom and take the medicine the PA prescribed. The second time I was sent to the Brigade sick call to see the Brigade surgeon who was a DO sports medicine doctor, was given a two week profile with no PT and a return consultation where I was allowed to begin rehab on my knees, my shoulder had returned to light use. My PSG told me, "you are too old for that shit, it's going to break you". Not saying that it's not possible. Just saying it's not easy.
As A Marine Infantryman, I have to say that all Spec Ops are some hard boys, highly efficient and professional. Not to mention some of the finest himan beings on God's green earth. I suppose it depends on the specifics of the mission are.
Great show, i would like to point out that the Corps has units within itself that are highly skilled warriors, i will start with STAY Platoon (scout snipers), ANGLICO, and divisional recon battallions.
Do something on reserve SF!!!! Like how their day to day/training differs from active! I'm sure they have to be AGR but still would be a very cool vid!
They did. Special Forces Reserve Component exists now only in the National Guard. 19th 20th Special Forces Groups are those units. 19th is mostly West Coast and Mid West. 20th is mostly on the East Coast and the South. There were Army Reserve SF Groups( 11th and 12th Groups) up until the late 1980s. They are gone now. Yes like most Guard Units they do have AGR people but no you do not have to be AGR and most of them are traditional drilling Reservists. There drills are obviously longer than normal often beginning on Thursday night and running through Sunday night and there is lots of opportunities for both manditory and lots of voluntary deployment. Some guys come there already qualified from AD and plenty walk in from the civilian world right off the street with 0 experience. They have Rep 63 program similar to 18X on active side. For those in that program they spend a significant ammount of time on Active Duty getting trained then they revert to being a traditional reservist it can be up to 2 years. but Rep 63s usually go through everything all at once Infantry OSUT, followed by SOPC program followed by SFAS followed by Airborne School the the Q Course..The Warrior Leader Course is integrated into the QCourse. Prior Service soldiers usually spend about 6 months in a training Det called Det 1. When the pre selection Cadre say your ready you go to SFAS. 19th and 20th are actually the single largest( in manpower) components of USSOCOM.
Water/sand. Having worn the dagger for 17 years, I can tell you the mission specialty is very different. Raiders are a short term solution, the teams will go in, train people to fight or do what I did and train people to spy on nations and NGOs. Marsoc doesn't usually do more than a cursory intelligence gathering mission that isn't their main objective. They don't have assets to develop their own actionable intelligence and move on them. They get orders, perform the mission. They also train for around a year to 18 months, I trained for 9 years before I became operational. I did sere modules, did DLI, went to several classes in espionage, micro and macro counter terrorism. We went to training with agency schools, to classes where the next lowest ranking person was an O5. I was a CW2. There were CIA, DIA, OSA, others... my partner in clandestine surveillance was a vice admiral transitioning to the CIA. I was approached a few times but never wanted to do anything other than what I was doing. I'm a 3rd Gen guy who loved his job though. All can be stationed at MacDill AFB or Hurlburt field as well.
Could you guys do a video on Army Rangers vs. Marine Raiders and Army Rangers vs. Navy seals? Asking for thinking about joining and getting into elite infantry and am unsure how the SOFT units compare
@@ChiccinTendies but I have read other sources before, it says that all Marine Raiders attend dive training. For Green Berets, only those assigned to dive ODAs attend dive training.
@I M ahh yes i was a 0811 in 1/11 Camp Pendleton alpha battery I’m out now but I’ve been talking to a recruiter about rangers or speical forces cause army imo seems like better quality... But i was told i might have to do artillery in the army for a year then change. My packet is waiting to get accepted
Plus if you plan on getting married or are married already, it'll put some strain on your relationship and also your family as well. The PMC gig is mostly a single man's game
Contracting is pretty much dead now save for like 2 contracts. Garda came in and low bid tf out of everything and now going rate is like 45k for static. As for "cool" contracting its basically babysitting and being a taxi for diplomats or doing relatively the same thing in special projects for spookier people. For department of state and special projects its a year long contract with a 3 month rotation. 3 on 1 off. For static in afghan its a year long contract and usually, depending on your company, you have to take your 30 days off all at once. There are other static contracts in other countries that have more flexible vacation time. My last contract I could take vacation whenever I wanted as long as we had enough dudes to cover the absence. Nothing really cool happens in contracting anymore. Not since like 2007. Its not even really worth talking about.
@@eddiejr1000 I mean, not really. you apply for contracts. You really arent going anywhere besides AFG, KWI, Iraq, or some GCC if you are an SME for an advisory role. Or god have mercy on your soul if you take the Kosovo contract for 35k a year. Yes once in a blue moon a contract for like 5 guys to go to Ukraine or something happens. Its really not a sexy job at all. You're literally a security guard. Even blackwater was just running security for people, just in a "cool" way. I think people think that contractors are mercenaries, which they arent.
If you want the full history of the ISA, or at least the only book solely dedicated to that Unit, then read The Killer Elite - by Micheal Smith Btw, I have no clue why you would want a comparison between the ISA and the 24th STS? The ISA is basically JSOCs modified version of the CIA SAD and some flavors of the NSA in one.
It's never been an Achilies heal because they have prided themselves on doing more with less and its made them on average comparison man to man far more capable. I grew up in a Marine Corps family my dad and his brother were Marines in the Vietnam Era my uncle retired a Warrant Officer in the Corps. I however served in the Army for 15 years including with Special Forces( not a tabbed Green Beret but many of my best friends are) and LRS. I served with guys who came over to the Army from the Corps because including Recon. One big reason people leave the Corps is the career opportunities and advancement are by far much more difficult simply because it's a vastly smaller service with yes much less money and less room. Marines however can come to the Army and generally be a Rockstar. One big reason MARSOC which has really been sought for many years now was finally created was specifically because of funding. They are part of USSOCOM so their budget does not come from the Marine Corps or at least most of it doesn't so no funding is not an issue they get the same great gear everyone else in SOCOM gets except it's made specificly for their unique needs.
@@gspothitta9079 MARSOC is not Recon or Force Recon and MARSOC is also funded by SOCOM they also have UW and FID as a mission they just don't have as much time and expertise in that mission built up as they only began in 2006. I served in SF I'm biased to them so you get no arguement from me on that Just saying that MARSOC does not have budget issues and if you want to discuss the conventional Marine Corps of which Recon and Force Recon are a part thats much less of an issue since the war and as the trends for how things in the world is changing the Marine Corps and Navy are going to be a much more in need that the Army so their budget is likely to go up not down and they have gotten rid of allot of unnecessary stuff to better use what they have budget wise. If you wondering what I mean we are in the middle of a poulation shift at the moment. There are tree megatrends shaping the future Population growth in several developing and or underdeveloped countries that are already very large in population. Bangladesh, India which is on a path to overtake China in population only its a very different population but I will get to that in a second. The next Megatrend is Urbanization meaning populations in many of the world's megacities( cities over 10 million) are exploding and to make it worse in addition to birthrate people are moving from rural environments to these urban mega cities and its vast sprawling super slums that are not prepared to receive them. As I mentioned earlier this is occurring in India, Bangladesh, Central America and South America and both coasts of Africa wich brings me to another Megatrend Littoralization which means the tendency for populations to cluster around coastlines. It also has a more military meaning. It's basicly the area on shore that can be hit by sea based weapon systems and vice versa to include surface, subsurface and cyberspace. Much of this is from leading c Counterinsurgency Experts such as Australian David Kilcullen who served on General Petreus's staff in Afghanistan and is backed up by DATA at both UN and NATO. These type of Urban Settlement present lots of problems for one with Climate Change and rising tides that are already occurring flooding and sanitation will be major issues. These areas are largely ignored by city services and all these things are recipes that will incite conflict. Even if that conflict does not manifest organic those seeking it from outside can use these environments to great effect. The Mubai Attack is a perfect example. It was not heavily talked about in the news media but that was an amphibious attack from the water. They hijacked a boat used the shipping traffic to mask their approach then when they got close enough rode the rest of the way in rubber inflatable Zodiacs. The came ashore in one of these slums where no one payed attention to them or bothered them thinking they were smugglers. They had a command and control node in Pakistan that directed them by listening to all the media and constantly feeding them tips on how they could create more media attention by causing more carnage. The media was actually careless enough to tell the bad guys where people were hiding though not intentionally, just carelessly. Afghanistan ultimately was a conflict because we chose to go there and make it such the conflicts in the future that develop organicly will in all likelihood develop in these places I am discussing and weather it's these places or China or both it will be the Navy and The Marines that are sent to fight it.
@@joshualittle877 Ik the difference I’m telling the other dude marsoc gets its money from socom and the recon community gets it from the corp. I know what I’m talking about
Anyone else find it odd that while MARSOC doesn't have an age limit to joi, they do have a Time in Grade limit for enlisted? Is there a particular reason that the Corps doesn't allow anyone with over 18 months TiG as an E5 to try out for MARSOC?
As a former SF Operator. I do appreciate the comparison but as SF I was crossed training in four different mos at once. I do not believe MARSOC has that capability as yet. I was instrumental in many field of action. Communication, light and heavy weapon, demolition, scuba and HALO And HAHO. That is a vast level of qualification.
I joined the corps in 2005. I remember hearing about Marsoc coming into existence and it would eventually replace the recon battalion. I planned on going recon, but I was injured and discharged before I could even hit fleet. I was under the impression that marines and army shared a lot of training for their special ops. Marines trained a lot at fort bragg while the army joined in amphibious training at camp Lejeune or pendleton
I beg to differ with you. Who says MARSOC RAIDERS Can’t do Halos. Are you out of your mind? Coming from a Retired MARSOC Raider that served 22 years with the Raiders. You need to pull your head out of your @$$. We all know what Army stands for. Aren’t Ready to be Marines Yet.
"As you can see it takes much longer to make a Green Beret" - umm, according to your own charts shown here, the SF training (if your MOS isn't 18D) will take 45 weeks exactly (22 weeks + 6 weeks + 4 weeks + 3 weeks + 10 weeks of the Q course), and the MARSOC Pipeline is ALSO 45 weeks (3x3 weeks + 9 months [36 weeks])
That's awesome. But Army Rangers don't conduct missions like foreign internal defense, counter-insurgency, VBSS and other maritime operations. I would say the only missions the 2 units have in common are direct action and special reconnaissance.
@@dallasyap3064 wrong, Primary tasks include: direct action, national and international emergency crisis response, airfield seizure, airborne & air assault operations, special reconnaissance, intelligence & counter intelligence, combat search and rescue, personnel recovery & hostage rescue, joint special operations, and counter terrorism, then there are secondary task. Vice versa for raiders, they don't conduct many of a regiments task either. Stay blessed!
No not really though they have often been looked at as two different sides of a COIN( pun intended) FID is going to another country and training their military. That might be in one or more specific areas or maybe training from the ground up. UW is going into another country to locate, recruit, train, equip and then lead a Guerrilla Army or Insurgency to fight on our behalf. This might be for the purpose of creating an Insurgency and taking down a government it might simply be to create a covert asset in a location we are not fighting in yet but might at some future date it can take on alot of different directions. Special Forces also specializes in Counterinsurgency. The issue was that both FID and UW were always intended to be fairly small scale Operations. We found ourselves in OEF and OIF with the task of remaking the Iraqi Military and Police and Making a Military and Police force in Afghanistan from scratch and SF had never really had to do that much or that large of a FID mission all at one time especially with all the other more direct actions they were being tasked with. Realizing they had a need to perform FID on a much larger scale the Army created SFABs and they will be to help conduct large scale FID such as what's going on in Afghanistan with ANA and ANP. SF will it seems spend it's time training specificly special Operations Forces for such FID Operations. UW however does not always involve training at all. The Army pulled off one of the greatest UW Missions in history in the weeks following 9/11. That involved getting the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan to help us topple the Taliban. That to the best of my knowledge was not for the purpose of training them just utilizing there numbers and providing US Airpower and logistics the Special Forces both fought along side them and helped integrate the efforts.
@@joshualittle877 yeah it is in reverse, unconventional warfare, you train rebels to fight an oppressively government or other enemy, in foreign internal defense you train a government to fight rebels or other enemy
In less than 3 years you can get a 18x ray contract and have your green beret. Spend 2 years in corps then selection, it’s about the same amount of time.
So from what I can gather Yes both are very similar and it’s easier to say that of the 2 which one is better is debatable but from what I can tell Marine Raiders and Green berets are Very Similar and with Marine Raiders being so young they are still new to the game and are developing and are capable of conducting some of the same extra Operations as SF especially in the future but as of right now SF has the upper hand in Unconventional Warfare and Information Operations. But one of the key differences that is capable for changing but as of yet leans more towards SF having the upper hand is that Green berets have Multiple MOS’s and capabilities and can Operate on there own without Enablers (to and extent) while as Raiders (not always) Operate at there best with the Assistance of Enablers such as SARCs and other Conventional or Special Operations Capable Units which I think are called SOCs or Marine Special Operations Capable Forces as mentioned in the Structure of Marine Raiders Video
Green Berets are smarter. The Special Forces Aidman Course is basically medical school without a degree in biology, chemistry or A+P. The course is now like 3-4yrs and you have to learn a foreign language as well as be crosstrained in the other 4 SF MOS.
At first, I thought that Marine Raiders (MARSOC) were assigned similar tasks to the 75th RR because of the word "Raider." But then I discover this was not the case.
I am a wounded out member of the Raiders. I am from the Aleutian islands and already had extensive language skills. I was in for 8 years before I left San Diego for Camp Leguene.
Your staring to overlap videos, u did both of theese units pretty recently and the previous videos covered more with no major new info. I really likes the unknown entity’s video and would enjoy more. Love what u do am gonna get a pinch of ur dip
Level Zero Heroes is a good book but there’s also dagger 22 which is based on the same deployment. Both are great reads and show the culture of Marsoc as well as its integration into socom.
Great video man, can you guys make a video tier list of state swat teams, because I hear that they have more power than military SOF and more high tech gears
18D training course at the Ft Bragg Schoolhouse is a 2 yr course. It is the exact same course that SEAL medics take when they go to the Army Schoolhouse.
Marines are under Direct action of the President. MarSOC can be sent into action when the president needs them immediately. Army cant send ANY troops into combat without additional assistance from outside the Commander n cheif. Marines can be found within every naval fleet. Bigger differences between Marines and Army mentioned here. SGT Wolgast USMC Reconnaissance Sniper 1986-1997
The Rangers can deploy anywhere in the world within 18 hours notice. Literally every branch works directly under the POTUS, he's commander in chief. As for your experience I doubt it. Former 112V RRC team 3- SSG 5th SFG ODA 0535
Can you do SEAL’s vs Marsoc even though one is tier one and one is tear two. Also I know you can go into Marsoc as a dog handler but can you go in as a handler and be a officer? Also can you be a handler and so combat diving just without the dog because I dive already and it’s fun and easy but combat diving will be more technical and challenging which will be good for me.
And no you cannot go to diving school without your dog, either you're a dog handler in a SOF unit which might include free fall school together or diving school by yourself, good look on the diving school though, no branch will give u a slot as a dog handler.
Happy Friday! We hope you enjoy our video on Special Forces vs. Marine Raiders! Let us know what you think. If you learned something, make sure to give the video a like, and subscribe if you're new! See you next week and have a great weekend!
Cia protective agent (grs) vs diplomatic security service
General Discharge do a Marine Corps IOC video
Please make a video about Correctional Officer too!
@@junwanpark5951 Check out Officer401
@@jimmymartino5433 he never made a video on correctional officers
As a Marine, I’m biased to my home team. But after leaving the infantry community, the fact that the SF have a national guard option is very appealing to me.
Are you going to go SF
@@jonathanwatson4859 Ive always enjoyed the small unit cohesion that came with a regular line platoon. Leaving the military and trying to find the same sense of cohesion and purpose has been difficult. Once I finish moving I’ll see what my options are. Family comes first.
@@LtActionCam maybe law enforcement would be your bag so you could be in swat (FBI CIA etc.
@@jonathanwatson4859 there are some options in the federal law enforcement that are appealing such as the USMS. I don’t think they make you sign a potential to relocate clause either unlike the FBI. If the USMS has a relocation clause then that would be a no go for my family.
@@LtActionCam yeah I would say just check out the domestic agencies playlist they have and see which one fits you
As a non-military person, I enjoy the way your videos are organized.
They are well written in that they move clearly from general to specific, and take time to define terms.
You also use repetition and structure well.
As an English professor I give your writing an A
Having served alongside a handful of SF teams, CCTs/TACPs, and Raiders in Iraq, i was blown away at how incredibly versatile and professional all of these guys were. I never had the chance to work with SEAL teams, but wish i had gained the experience. The overlap between them is greater than the number of differences for sure, as they seem to integrate almost seamlessly with one another. I will say, however, those ODA guys are extremely impressive. 5th group were some of the most badass people ive ever met in my life. Theyll have to get my vote.
12:22 that guy with his face blurred out must be the only one who made it through the training😂
lmao
General Discharge, you are a psychic... I was literally wondering when you would make this video, and it posted on my feed 2 minutes later! AHAHAHAHAHA
You guys keep performing with these videos you’re cranking out, good shit keep it up.
This Proves my point. Heroes don't need capes, just camouflages. Great Video. This may be my favorite. I never knew both had almost the same capabilities. Keep Up The Great Work !
MARSOC Raider training is somewhat similar to Army SF in a number of ways. The basic pipeline for Raiders borrowed from Army Special Forces. Only minor differences are the swimming requirements.
Edna Mode had it right: NO CAPES
Why are they heroes?
Why are they heroes?
Why are they heroes?
You guys should look into interviewing guys from these different units that you cover, that would be awesome
The covering of MARSOC in this video is much better than the last one I stumbled past and was kind of disappointed with, well done! 🙏🏽 Semper Fidelis
1). CCTs vs. TACPs (or SOF TACPs)
2). TACPS vs. ANGLICOs vs. Army FOs
3). Navy Seabees vs. AF REDHORSE
4). NAVSPECWAR vs ASOC
5). AFSPECWAR vs MARSOC
6) Apache crews vs Cobra crews
Thanks for the versus suggestions!
@@GeneralDischarge Do Air Force Red Horse!!! Nobody gives a shit about California highway patrol
Devgru?
@@XneEyedKing I’d love to see more on 1SFOD-D (CAG/Delta Force) but tbh nobody can get enough info for a good video all we truly know is some old ops they were involved in and that they are called CAG now
CIA GRS vs DSS? NSA vs DIA video next would be great.
Or GRS vs GB?
Yall forgot about the DEA
@@TheWeekendShooter308 they already did one on DEA
@@elchuzalongo4339 *I'm new here*
@@TheWeekendShooter308 oh, understandable, welcome. Here's the link to the vid btw ruclips.net/video/xFsIA34TNNg/видео.html
The Marine Raider storyline in Cod Waw was so awesome
@@OscarNovember1776 hell yeah
Rad for sure 🤙
@@OscarNovember1776 Raiders get out of the Corps to go to SF since MARSOC isn't getting good deployments. Reconsider.
@@OscarNovember1776 they 100% retired cause they were already in and are too old to go through the Q course, the other 2 are active and new, give it a few anf watch switch branches.
@@Joe-ok8ql it’s not about that.
They share a lot of commonalities, unit composition, host nation training, working closely at times with indigenous forces, embedding and integrating mission support, though when it comes to conducting Direct Actions, Raiders!
IIRC, the GB’s are bringing back their DA team
no
Yes
Lol, not even close. SF are better than Raiders at anything not involving water. Definitely better at DA
@@JD-dm1uj Sorry bro, just facts. Not to mention 75th Ranger Regiment is better than both at DA
In ways, MARSOC and SF have a more effective way of eliminating bad apples in their communities, compared to SEALs. Since not a lot of people swim well. The SEALs deal with what they got. That being said, I'd say MARSOC have started developing what will become the best selection and development process between the three of them. Making prior service a requirement allows MARSOC to choose from candidates with developed skills, shortening the training and integration process.
MARSOC and Green Berets damn sure still know how to swim, especially MARSOC. Maybe not on SEAL diving level, but water competence is required nonetheless
Lol, imagine thinking marsoc will ever be better
@@Horatio_TicklebottomI imagine every Raider could blow through the SEAL pipeline with ease.
@@Imrepenting PFFFT, why? Cuz they're Marines? Enough with the cult thinking. SEALs and SF have decades of experience and proven training. Not to mention MARSOC was modeled after SF. Marines are not fucking Terminators. Shit, they aren't even tougher than Army soldiers, they're literally the same, except for a couple of extra weeks at boot camp that Marines get, majority of which is spent teaching them to be anal hard asses 🤣
This is a good point. I hear a lot of 18X candidates don't actually get selected at SFAS, since they're relatively new in the military and haven't had much time to grow and mature. The seasoned dudes with experience typically do much better (surprise, a lot end up being prior Marines lol)
Special Forces may have existed long before there was Vietnam and the Marine Raider Regiment was recent, but I think both deserve recognition (even though both are the quiet professionals) and respect. I got both MARSOC books myself, though have yet to get the Green Beret books mentioned here and some others that are the stories of Special Forces soldiers (for example Horse Soldiers by Doug Stanton).
Marine Raiders started in World War II years before Army Green Berets aka Special Forces started in 1950's.
Marine Raiders are the first U.S. Special forces unit.
OSS and FSSF was the modern SF in WWII. It’s ridiculous and juvenile to have a dick measuring contest about shit you’ll never be a part of…
The Marine Raider where the First Ever US SF unit and they are better in Combat but the Green Berets are way better at Foreign Internal Defense
@@MaceOfSpades5
Your bias shines through as brightly as Betelgeuse. The marines NEVER had "special forces", so you can dx that bull$hit.
From what I'M reading, they (raiders) lasted LESS than two years, because of dissension within the corps.
Either way, whenever special forces is mentioned, EVERYONE knows it's the US ARMY. Very few people, other than marines, have ever even HEARD of raiders. But, you guys are desperately trying to remedy that. Okay, fine. But throwing shade at the green berets makes you look like a bitter, and jilted schoolgirl
Then, you throw jabs like "raiders were the first special forces....They're better at combat." waaah.
STFU. Special OPERATIONS are NOT special FORCES.
Jesus....Is there no end to you guys' disdain for your brothers in arms? Members of the same fkn team? F**k, you guys are silly!
Semper Fi "always and forever be a soldier of the sea"
Damn the editing is just bliss
Can you do a video on MACV-SOG?
Those dudes were OG's.
Army Special Forces and MARSOC Marine Raiders are both badass unconventional Warfare specialists and Warriors who fight for freedom and America against all enemies everywhere including terrorists by any means necessary to win the war
Yea but now that socom hired a “diversity and inclusion” director, we are fucked. They will lower standards for women and poc just so they can serve too. This country is starting to bend itself over and fuck itself in its ass
@@tbhfm2691 The thing with that is we already know men of all ethnicities can perform at the level required to get into these units, it's just a matter of what resources we have available to us which is something that Remi Adeleke brought up when he talked about black men becoming SEALs. The main issue would be a push to *force* women into these units when the Rand corporation already published a study saying that all-male infantry platoons perform better than mixed-gender platoons
So basically MARSOC are unconventional SEALs?
@@bshiesty_9917 I liked your comment not because of your comment but for your name
@@bshiesty_9917 The SEALs and Raider Regiment are both components of SOCOM. They both conduct Special Operations.
most people don't know that a former Green Beret created the Raider pipeline and trained the first Raiders (that's why they're so similar). Additionally, SF primary mission now (after the creation of the SFAB) is to train foreign special operations, guerilla fighters and conduct fallback operations - meaning they act as American guerilla fighters (hit and run missions, staying behind enemy lines and blending in with native populations).
You should also make a video on the Army Security Forces Assistance Bridges (SFAB). They replaced SF as the primary training force for conventional Foreign Internal Defense (FID) mission (As stated above SF now focuses on training foreign SOF units, Guerilla warfare, training foreign guerilla fighters, Information/Intel Operations and Direct Action).
Most of the Soldiers in the SFAB are actually decent physical fit Soldiers. They tend to come from who didn't make it to selections which happens, its not the end of the world. Some of them are like 2 or 3 selection tries.
There are some facts in the first part of your statement, but it wasn't just one/ some SF dude/s that ran that pipeline. It was a collaboration between multiple SOCOM units both active and retired. There was more of force reconnaissance influence from the USMC as far as standards, with an addition of "you need language, culture, and anything else that makes a special operator".
that makes no sense as the raiders were around during ww2 and the berets weren’t formed untill after ww2 sooo
@@gaberesendez6492 Raiders were disbanded during WW2 and only recently came back with MARSOC’s adoption of it because they wanted to bring back that tradition, if you will.
True story. They need to be reminded. Also the Marine Raiders have been more of a hassle to leadership than successful. Check their history after ww2. Controversy in Afghanistan and then green on blue shooting issues in Iraq. Nothing good came from the new Raiders. Also they were on the brink of being disbanded.
Both are awesome 👌I think we all can agree with that.
Yhh true but when it comes to the time to choose one, I wouldn't hesitate to go for USMC
I feel like it's the difference between a hammer and a scalpel. Because MARSOC makes it so expiernced marines can join they seem more geered for action so their the hammer. Where as Berets while not always necessarily expiernced in combat seem to take time to focus on the more specific faucets of unconventional warfare and foreign internal defense such as languages and culture. Their fore their the scalpel. Both can do the others purpose well but the seem to almost make up for where the other is slightly lacking. That said I see the reason why both would be necessary in a FID situation. To both hit the enemy hard and strengthen the regime in place. At least that's what I gathered from the video. Obviously don't take my word as being that of an expert.
@@theempiredidnothingwrong3227 I agree
@@theempiredidnothingwrong3227 not even close, most if not all that attend the Q course are former infantryman, they are just able to multi task and due more than 1 thing at once. They are neither a hammer or a scalpel, they are the toolbox!
@@ayikaiokine7059 Anyone can enlist, takes only a selected few to pass selection before training begins.
I'm a Marine Reservist Major thinking of going National Guard SF as an Enlisted. I spoke to some SF guys at Camp Humphreys and they were encouraging me, but the Marine LtCol I work for, who passed MARSOC A&S as a Captain but never joined, was heavily discouraging it. I'm 38 and recognize there's a lot of risks, but....I think I'll move forward with it anyway. Oh BTW, the ARSOC Recruiter said Military Free Fall / HALO was required training for all SF, at the back of Q-Course, at least as of right now. It was in his Powerpoint slide deck (so he wasn't just pulling it out of his ass in conversation).
Just do it
At 38 you'll need a waiver, which as a major I'm sure you'll get. As for MFF, all 18 series mos are free fall trained. Good luck.
I don't know how physically fit you are, but, I went to SFAS at 30 and again at 31 only to leave the first time with a bad upper respiratory infection and the second time with eight torn muscles across my right scapula. Right where they insert and where the ruck sack presses against the back part of your shoulder and had also worn down the meniscus in both knees. The first time I left because of the illness, I was put in the Airborne in and was stuck there for three days because Ft Bragg was snowed in and the airport was canceling flights...I was still so sick that I was given a week of no duty and was confined to my barracks room with the CQ runner responsible for retrieving all my meals for me. I had my little brother go to the commissary and pick me up a case of Campbell's chicken noodle soup and four boxes of saltine crackers and two gallons of oj and a case of sprite. I slept for four more days and only woke up to go to the bathroom and take the medicine the PA prescribed.
The second time I was sent to the Brigade sick call to see the Brigade surgeon who was a DO sports medicine doctor, was given a two week profile with no PT and a return consultation where I was allowed to begin rehab on my knees, my shoulder had returned to light use.
My PSG told me, "you are too old for that shit, it's going to break you".
Not saying that it's not possible. Just saying it's not easy.
Why was he discouraging it?
You have me dancing with these beats!...🧚♂️
Been waiting for this one
Honestly
as have i
TACP vs CCT vs JTAC
160 SOAR vs Marines HMX1
JTAC is a certification and CCT is special operations while TACP isn’t. Pretty simple
As A Marine Infantryman, I have to say that all Spec Ops are some hard boys, highly efficient and professional. Not to mention some of the finest himan beings on God's green earth. I suppose it depends on the specifics of the mission are.
Stop lying POG ass foo
Great show, i would like to point out that the Corps has units within itself that are highly skilled warriors, i will start with STAY Platoon (scout snipers), ANGLICO, and divisional recon battallions.
Do something on reserve SF!!!! Like how their day to day/training differs from active! I'm sure they have to be AGR but still would be a very cool vid!
Some more info would definitely be awesome.
@@zuluaga94 check out Buck Roger’s channel, he’s former SF and I’m pretty sure he has a video on National Guard SF
@@jimmymartino5433 just checked him out. I appreciate it.
They did. Special Forces Reserve Component exists now only in the National Guard. 19th 20th Special Forces Groups are those units. 19th is mostly West Coast and Mid West. 20th is mostly on the East Coast and the South. There were Army Reserve SF Groups( 11th and 12th Groups) up until the late 1980s. They are gone now. Yes like most Guard Units they do have AGR people but no you do not have to be AGR and most of them are traditional drilling Reservists. There drills are obviously longer than normal often beginning on Thursday night and running through Sunday night and there is lots of opportunities for both manditory and lots of voluntary deployment. Some guys come there already qualified from AD and plenty walk in from the civilian world right off the street with 0 experience. They have Rep 63 program similar to 18X on active side. For those in that program they spend a significant ammount of time on Active Duty getting trained then they revert to being a traditional reservist it can be up to 2 years. but Rep 63s usually go through everything all at once Infantry OSUT, followed by SOPC program followed by SFAS followed by Airborne School the the Q Course..The Warrior Leader Course is integrated into the QCourse. Prior Service soldiers usually spend about 6 months in a training Det called Det 1. When the pre selection Cadre say your ready you go to SFAS. 19th and 20th are actually the single largest( in manpower) components of USSOCOM.
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I waited since Tuesday for this video. Great video.
Right in time for lunch thank you!
Water/sand. Having worn the dagger for 17 years, I can tell you the mission specialty is very different. Raiders are a short term solution, the teams will go in, train people to fight or do what I did and train people to spy on nations and NGOs. Marsoc doesn't usually do more than a cursory intelligence gathering mission that isn't their main objective. They don't have assets to develop their own actionable intelligence and move on them. They get orders, perform the mission. They also train for around a year to 18 months, I trained for 9 years before I became operational. I did sere modules, did DLI, went to several classes in espionage, micro and macro counter terrorism. We went to training with agency schools, to classes where the next lowest ranking person was an O5. I was a CW2. There were CIA, DIA, OSA, others... my partner in clandestine surveillance was a vice admiral transitioning to the CIA. I was approached a few times but never wanted to do anything other than what I was doing. I'm a 3rd Gen guy who loved his job though.
All can be stationed at MacDill AFB or Hurlburt field as well.
Should do a VS video on active duty Special forces and national guard special forces.
In actuality, there isn't much difference. They both train just as hard and deploy just as much.
@@terencebanyahudah5691 True dat. However Natl Guard SF bring a lot of civilian acquired skills to their teams.
Could you guys do a video on Army Rangers vs. Marine Raiders and Army Rangers vs. Navy seals? Asking for thinking about joining and getting into elite infantry and am unsure how the SOFT units compare
Are MARSOC supposed to be more amphibious than SF? More time in water during training, swim requirements, etc?
Which is why all Marine Raiders are combat dive qualified if not mistaken.
@@dallasyap3064 Maybe I wasn't paying attention but I could've swore the video said that Combat Diver Quals weren't a guarantee for SF or MARSOC
@@ChiccinTendies but I have read other sources before, it says that all Marine Raiders attend dive training. For Green Berets, only those assigned to dive ODAs attend dive training.
Yes
They're all badass. God I love this channel 👍💪
I love these videos cause I’m trying to go army from the marines... But the packet takes a while, you guys help me pick what i may want to try for
@I M ahh yes i was a 0811 in 1/11 Camp Pendleton alpha battery I’m out now but I’ve been talking to a recruiter about rangers or speical forces cause army imo seems like better quality... But i was told i might have to do artillery in the army for a year then change. My packet is waiting to get accepted
@I M 18X, not 18B
One day! Can’t wait! ✊🏽💪🏽
Is it possible you can do private security aka private millitary contracting that will be a great video love all you guys video by the way
Not a good idea to go that way unless you really want to or you have no other options. They generally work 8-10 months a year and can vary on pay
Plus if you plan on getting married or are married already, it'll put some strain on your relationship and also your family as well. The PMC gig is mostly a single man's game
Contracting is pretty much dead now save for like 2 contracts. Garda came in and low bid tf out of everything and now going rate is like 45k for static. As for "cool" contracting its basically babysitting and being a taxi for diplomats or doing relatively the same thing in special projects for spookier people. For department of state and special projects its a year long contract with a 3 month rotation. 3 on 1 off. For static in afghan its a year long contract and usually, depending on your company, you have to take your 30 days off all at once. There are other static contracts in other countries that have more flexible vacation time. My last contract I could take vacation whenever I wanted as long as we had enough dudes to cover the absence. Nothing really cool happens in contracting anymore. Not since like 2007. Its not even really worth talking about.
Im pretty sure the contracting side of it is interested cause you can be placed in where in the world
@@eddiejr1000 I mean, not really. you apply for contracts. You really arent going anywhere besides AFG, KWI, Iraq, or some GCC if you are an SME for an advisory role. Or god have mercy on your soul if you take the Kosovo contract for 35k a year. Yes once in a blue moon a contract for like 5 guys to go to Ukraine or something happens. Its really not a sexy job at all. You're literally a security guard. Even blackwater was just running security for people, just in a "cool" way. I think people think that contractors are mercenaries, which they arent.
Our special forces are to be praised. Men fighting for justice, & rights.
Prejudice thru, as my brother Marine Recon. So proud of him.
Go to FNG academy if you are thinking about Army SF.
This is gonna be good love the videos next can you have ISA vs 24th STS?
They're way to different to be compared
@@elchuzalongo4339 idk man I want to see something with ISA tho
@@elchuzalongo4339 I want to see more tier 1 smu’s but they are secret so yk not much is known
@@toasterbath3438 go Read the Book "Relentless Strike" by Sean Naylor. Alot of good info on ISA and JSOC.
If you want the full history of the ISA, or at least the only book solely dedicated to that Unit, then read The Killer Elite - by Micheal Smith
Btw, I have no clue why you would want a comparison between the ISA and the 24th STS? The ISA is basically JSOCs modified version of the CIA SAD and some flavors of the NSA in one.
This is a great video! Thanks!
These videos are great! Do you plan on doing any SOT-A stuff or other SF support stuff?
Definitely should do a video on SOT-A
"similar" but SF are on a league of their own.
like the legend says, seals kill terrorists, green berets conquer countries, or something like that haha
Totally agree.
Who do you like better General Discharge?
Awesome Video brother! Keep it up👍
Really enjoying your no BS videos. Thank you.
Love that wrap up track
They are both highly respectable and capable, but will go with SF. Funding has always been an Achilles heel to the Corp.
They’re funded by SOCOM...
It's never been an Achilies heal because they have prided themselves on doing more with less and its made them on average comparison man to man far more capable. I grew up in a Marine Corps family my dad and his brother were Marines in the Vietnam Era my uncle retired a Warrant Officer in the Corps. I however served in the Army for 15 years including with Special Forces( not a tabbed Green Beret but many of my best friends are) and LRS. I served with guys who came over to the Army from the Corps because including Recon. One big reason people leave the Corps is the career opportunities and advancement are by far much more difficult simply because it's a vastly smaller service with yes much less money and less room. Marines however can come to the Army and generally be a Rockstar. One big reason MARSOC which has really been sought for many years now was finally created was specifically because of funding. They are part of USSOCOM so their budget does not come from the Marine Corps or at least most of it doesn't so no funding is not an issue they get the same great gear everyone else in SOCOM gets except it's made specificly for their unique needs.
Socom funds them. Force recon and the recon community on the other hand get funded by the corp
@@gspothitta9079 MARSOC is not Recon or Force Recon and MARSOC is also funded by SOCOM they also have UW and FID as a mission they just don't have as much time and expertise in that mission built up as they only began in 2006. I served in SF I'm biased to them so you get no arguement from me on that Just saying that MARSOC does not have budget issues and if you want to discuss the conventional Marine Corps of which Recon and Force Recon are a part thats much less of an issue since the war and as the trends for how things in the world is changing the Marine Corps and Navy are going to be a much more in need that the Army so their budget is likely to go up not down and they have gotten rid of allot of unnecessary stuff to better use what they have budget wise. If you wondering what I mean we are in the middle of a poulation shift at the moment. There are tree megatrends shaping the future Population growth in several developing and or underdeveloped countries that are already very large in population. Bangladesh, India which is on a path to overtake China in population only its a very different population but I will get to that in a second. The next Megatrend is Urbanization meaning populations in many of the world's megacities( cities over 10 million) are exploding and to make it worse in addition to birthrate people are moving from rural environments to these urban mega cities and its vast sprawling super slums that are not prepared to receive them. As I mentioned earlier this is occurring in India, Bangladesh, Central America and South America and both coasts of Africa wich brings me to another Megatrend Littoralization which means the tendency for populations to cluster around coastlines. It also has a more military meaning. It's basicly the area on shore that can be hit by sea based weapon systems and vice versa to include surface, subsurface and cyberspace. Much of this is from leading c
Counterinsurgency Experts such as Australian David Kilcullen who served on General Petreus's staff in Afghanistan and is backed up by DATA at both UN and NATO. These type of Urban Settlement present lots of problems for one with Climate Change and rising tides that are already occurring flooding and sanitation will be major issues. These areas are largely ignored by city services and all these things are recipes that will incite conflict. Even if that conflict does not manifest organic those seeking it from outside can use these environments to great effect. The Mubai Attack is a perfect example. It was not heavily talked about in the news media but that was an amphibious attack from the water. They hijacked a boat used the shipping traffic to mask their approach then when they got close enough rode the rest of the way in rubber inflatable Zodiacs. The came ashore in one of these slums where no one payed attention to them or bothered them thinking they were smugglers. They had a command and control node in Pakistan that directed them by listening to all the media and constantly feeding them tips on how they could create more media attention by causing more carnage. The media was actually careless enough to tell the bad guys where people were hiding though not intentionally, just carelessly. Afghanistan ultimately was a conflict because we chose to go there and make it such the conflicts in the future that develop organicly will in all likelihood develop in these places I am discussing and weather it's these places or China or both it will be the Navy and The Marines that are sent to fight it.
@@joshualittle877 Ik the difference I’m telling the other dude marsoc gets its money from socom and the recon community gets it from the corp. I know what I’m talking about
Anyone else find it odd that while MARSOC doesn't have an age limit to joi, they do have a Time in Grade limit for enlisted? Is there a particular reason that the Corps doesn't allow anyone with over 18 months TiG as an E5 to try out for MARSOC?
Bad habits are hard to break the longer you've been in, fresher dudes with some experience are much easier to train properly.
The Army doesn't allow anyone over E-6 to join SF either
Another great video 👍
you guys should do a video on the SOCS guys. particularly the SIGINT/EW guys
As a former SF Operator. I do appreciate the comparison but as SF I was crossed training in four different mos at once. I do not believe MARSOC has that capability as yet. I was instrumental in many field of action. Communication, light and heavy weapon, demolition, scuba and HALO And HAHO. That is a vast level of qualification.
I joined the corps in 2005. I remember hearing about Marsoc coming into existence and it would eventually replace the recon battalion. I planned on going recon, but I was injured and discharged before I could even hit fleet.
I was under the impression that marines and army shared a lot of training for their special ops.
Marines trained a lot at fort bragg while the army joined in amphibious training at camp Lejeune or pendleton
Probably because of the lack of members in the raiders
I beg to differ with you. Who says MARSOC RAIDERS Can’t do Halos. Are you out of your mind? Coming from a Retired MARSOC Raider that served 22 years with the Raiders. You need to pull your head out of your @$$. We all know what Army stands for. Aren’t Ready to be Marines Yet.
how hard is it to get into sf?
From what I was told, that's intentional. I also did my MOS training alongside The Army at Fort Lee, which is the case most often.
"As you can see it takes much longer to make a Green Beret" - umm, according to your own charts shown here, the SF training (if your MOS isn't 18D) will take 45 weeks exactly (22 weeks + 6 weeks + 4 weeks + 3 weeks + 10 weeks of the Q course), and the MARSOC Pipeline is ALSO 45 weeks (3x3 weeks + 9 months [36 weeks])
Hey nice name I’m a Florida man Ranger too 15-19
Do army rangers vs marine raiders because they do seem similar
Raider Regiment is most similar to the ODA.
Not really, while on paper they are the same in real life marsoc is doing basic patrols and RANGER batts are hunting down HVT's!
@@pulëeskuqurdheshalqi Not really but ok
That's awesome. But Army Rangers don't conduct missions like foreign internal defense, counter-insurgency, VBSS and other maritime operations. I would say the only missions the 2 units have in common are direct action and special reconnaissance.
@@dallasyap3064 wrong, Primary tasks include: direct action, national and international emergency crisis response, airfield seizure, airborne & air assault operations, special reconnaissance, intelligence & counter intelligence, combat search and rescue, personnel recovery & hostage rescue, joint special operations, and counter terrorism, then there are secondary task. Vice versa for raiders, they don't conduct many of a regiments task either. Stay blessed!
The graphics of comparison is a good way to explain things. Please add them to your other videos of the same nature ie comparisons and elaborations
You guys should do a vid on cia grs and Air Force dagre keep up the good work 🤙🤙
Isn’t foreign internal defense just unconventional warfare in reverse?
Lowkey
Haha!
No not really though they have often been looked at as two different sides of a COIN( pun intended) FID is going to another country and training their military. That might be in one or more specific areas or maybe training from the ground up. UW is going into another country to locate, recruit, train, equip and then lead a Guerrilla Army or Insurgency to fight on our behalf. This might be for the purpose of creating an Insurgency and taking down a government it might simply be to create a covert asset in a location we are not fighting in yet but might at some future date it can take on alot of different directions. Special Forces also specializes in Counterinsurgency. The issue was that both FID and UW were always intended to be fairly small scale Operations. We found ourselves in OEF and OIF with the task of remaking the Iraqi Military and Police and Making a Military and Police force in Afghanistan from scratch and SF had never really had to do that much or that large of a FID mission all at one time especially with all the other more direct actions they were being tasked with. Realizing they had a need to perform FID on a much larger scale the Army created SFABs and they will be to help conduct large scale FID such as what's going on in Afghanistan with ANA and ANP. SF will it seems spend it's time training specificly special Operations Forces for such FID Operations. UW however does not always involve training at all. The Army pulled off one of the greatest UW Missions in history in the weeks following 9/11. That involved getting the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan to help us topple the Taliban. That to the best of my knowledge was not for the purpose of training them just utilizing there numbers and providing US Airpower and logistics the Special Forces both fought along side them and helped integrate the efforts.
@@joshualittle877 yeah it is in reverse, unconventional warfare, you train rebels to fight an oppressively government or other enemy, in foreign internal defense you train a government to fight rebels or other enemy
In less than 3 years you can get a 18x ray contract and have your green beret.
Spend 2 years in corps then selection, it’s about the same amount of time.
Can you do a video on how the special forces sniper course is different then the others
Or you can just Google it.
So from what I can gather Yes both are very similar and it’s easier to say that of the 2 which one is better is debatable but from what I can tell Marine Raiders and Green berets are Very Similar and with Marine Raiders being so young they are still new to the game and are developing and are capable of conducting some of the same extra Operations as SF especially in the future but as of right now SF has the upper hand in Unconventional Warfare and Information Operations.
But one of the key differences that is capable for changing but as of yet leans more towards SF having the upper hand is that Green berets have Multiple MOS’s and capabilities and can Operate on there own without Enablers (to and extent) while as Raiders (not always) Operate at there best with the Assistance of Enablers such as SARCs and other Conventional or Special Operations Capable Units which I think are called SOCs or Marine Special Operations Capable Forces as mentioned in the Structure of Marine Raiders Video
You’re really in trouble when MARSOC and the Green Berets team up on you.
Great job guys!
Green Berets are smarter. The Special Forces Aidman Course is basically medical school without a degree in biology, chemistry or A+P. The course is now like 3-4yrs and you have to learn a foreign language as well as be crosstrained in the other 4 SF MOS.
Maybe Army FSTs vs Air Force's SOSTs?
At first, I thought that Marine Raiders (MARSOC) were assigned similar tasks to the 75th RR because of the word "Raider." But then I discover this was not the case.
they are like more experienced Seal
As did I. Didn't expect them to be a Marine version of SF.
24th Special Tactics Squadron - U.S. Air Force Plese
They done that before
Can you please do a Canadian army vs US army or Canadian special forces vs US SOF
The army is killing for ODA’s, I’m seeing commercials all the time trying to get people to enlist
I see the dropped the gt score requirement to 105 it used to be 115 or higher. So yeah they are desperate I see.
@@zeno4649 they're the desperate ones? Homie you subscribed to some girl for feet 🤣
@@elchuzalongo4339 damn😭😭🤣🤣
@@elchuzalongo4339 worry about you homie. I like girls with cute toes. 🤷🏾♂️ who cares.
They are burning they're dudes out that's why...Congress and DOD is slavinf SF
I miss the in person videos, those were great
Please show video about marine ANGLICO and their duties please
I am a wounded out member of the Raiders. I am from the Aleutian islands and already had extensive language skills. I was in for 8 years before I left San Diego for Camp Leguene.
Your staring to overlap videos, u did both of theese units pretty recently and the previous videos covered more with no major new info. I really likes the unknown entity’s video and would enjoy more. Love what u do am gonna get a pinch of ur dip
This is going to be good
Love this channel
Little update the age limit is no longer 20 by ship date. You just need to be 20 before you reach SFPC and SFAS
Level Zero Heroes is a good book but there’s also dagger 22 which is based on the same deployment. Both are great reads and show the culture of Marsoc as well as its integration into socom.
MARSOC vs Force Recon next!
Kind of redundant to do seeing as MARSOC pulled a lot of the Recon guys to stand up the MRB.
Here's a good one; US Army MPs vs US Navy Master at Arms
Great video man, can you guys make a video tier list of state swat teams, because I hear that they have more power than military SOF and more high tech gears
All Angels and thank you ALL.
18D training course at the Ft Bragg Schoolhouse is a 2 yr course. It is the exact same course that SEAL medics take when they go to the Army Schoolhouse.
Not true, the SEAL medics, as with the PJ's, do the short course, not the full 18D Course.
Could you do a video on Air Force OSI?
Now I thought MARSOC (Marine Raiders) dated back to 1942 until disbanded in '44
Make a video about MARSOC A&S
HSI SRT next
Great video! Could you do a video on USAF DAGRE?
What about a comparison between army and marine combat engineers
They’re the same thing?
It’s literally the same job lol
First American special operation was conducted in Tripoli, Lybia, 1800s by United States Marines...
That wasn’t a Special Operation, there was very little concept of that at that time, it was a battle in the the First Barbary War, that’s it
Led by an Army officer.
What happened during the civil war?
Why don't they combined the team's and have all the training of both?? Wouldn't that save money and training time?
Both are 100% BA and I am PROUD to say....my son IS one. OpSec prevents me from saying which. Appreciate the video.
It’s PERSEC, not OPSEC
@@jimmymartino5433 over 10 years he's been in....think I would know that....Persec....Opsec....semantic differences aside ..... you got it either way
@@Madmartigan1 Yeah I mean no offense intended, just trying to clarify it
@@jimmymartino5433 none taken
Well that can we get a hooah or oorah
For real though thank him for being a BA
PJ’s vs SARC’s vs 18D
Do Marine Reserves Infantry vs Army National Guard infantry
great video as all wais you guy should do a Video on Us Fish And Wildlife pleas.
Not sure if its a good idea to have all the RAIDER units stationed in one location .
Marines are under Direct action of the President. MarSOC can be sent into action when the president needs them immediately. Army cant send ANY troops into combat without additional assistance from outside the Commander n cheif. Marines can be found within every naval fleet. Bigger differences between Marines and Army mentioned here. SGT Wolgast USMC Reconnaissance Sniper 1986-1997
I think they can authorize military action by any branch for a set amount of days before having Congress agree to continuing it iirc
The Rangers can deploy anywhere in the world within 18 hours notice. Literally every branch works directly under the POTUS, he's commander in chief. As for your experience I doubt it.
Former 112V RRC team 3- SSG 5th SFG ODA 0535
So is every other branch lol. Quit spreading your boot-ish BS that’s obviously wrong and a bit embarrassing bud
@@tanberetO a MEU can get Marines anywhere in the world in 6 hours from notification bc we have ships on rotation in every major waterway
You’re acting like the Marines are the President’s bodyguards 😂
Most of the time you have two deployments before Marsoc may even let you try out. Gotta be a sgt.
Can you do SEAL’s vs Marsoc even though one is tier one and one is tear two. Also I know you can go into Marsoc as a dog handler but can you go in as a handler and be a officer? Also can you be a handler and so combat diving just without the dog because I dive already and it’s fun and easy but combat diving will be more technical and challenging which will be good for me.
Officers don't do anything you want to do or seen in a movie, they are literally desk jockies. Neither of them are tier 1 unit.
And no you cannot go to diving school without your dog, either you're a dog handler in a SOF unit which might include free fall school together or diving school by yourself, good look on the diving school though, no branch will give u a slot as a dog handler.
Seals are actually tier two as well. The only tier one Seal unit is DEVGRU (Seal Team 6) who recruit from the other seal teams